APOLLO 13 Rerelease with New Intro Honoring Jim Lovell

0:07 [SPEAKER_18]: Hello and welcome once again to a very special episode of the cinephiles. [SPEAKER_18]: I'm Steve Boris, I'm a filmmaker and directing instructor in Los Angeles, California. [SPEAKER_18]: Hello, my name is John Rokham, I'm a writer producer and host and voiceover artist here in San Diego, California.

0:20 [SPEAKER_18]: And the reason we're getting together to talk right now, we often do this when we lose actors and writers and directors, but that's this is none of them. [SPEAKER_18]: This is a true American hero who we just lost the great great gym level. [SPEAKER_18]: And we thought it would be a good idea to re-release one of our favorite episodes, which is Apollo XIII, and we couldn't discuss the great gym level or Apollo XIII without welcoming back to the microphones, animation writer, Dave Rapp, welcome back.

0:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_04]: It is good to be back and be with you guys. [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, not for the sad reason that we have today, but any chance that I get to talk about this man or the space program is a plus at my book. [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's one thing that he leaves behind with this.

1:05 [SPEAKER_18]: And what is so special? [SPEAKER_18]: So this is Jim level, obviously Tom Hanks plays him in Apollo XIII. [SPEAKER_18]: And I'm just curious, what do you think is so special, Dave, about this astronaut? [SPEAKER_20]: Dave, before you answer it, we should interject and say for some of the new fans who may be discovering this episode for the first time, Dave Rap was our guest on this episode, which is why he's doing the intro with us and just want to clarify that before we go forward.

1:29 [SPEAKER_20]: So please, go ahead, Dave. [SPEAKER_04]: That's true and I believe you guys had me here because I went to school for aerospace engineering. [SPEAKER_04]: I am a space nut. [SPEAKER_04]: I love the space program and I love Apollo thirteen the movie and I was very happy to talk with you guys But it really resonated for me because I got to hear Jim level speak when I was in high school being one of the science nerds [SPEAKER_04]: My chemistry and physics teacher recommended me got me permission to go here at the theater in downtown Columbus and I knew him by name but didn't really know the story of Apollo XIII because you know when I was growing up I was getting all the information and and they don't really want to talk about the failures so Apollo XIII was that like

2:21 [SPEAKER_04]: you know, something that was really being promoted. [SPEAKER_04]: And so I knew absolutely nothing. [SPEAKER_04]: I sat in the audience and heard him tell the story. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, obviously people don't know. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm very old. [SPEAKER_04]: So this is before the movie came out.

2:37 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm getting this information and I am just flabbergasted it. [SPEAKER_04]: Everything that had to happen, everything that did happen and everything they had to do, both [SPEAKER_04]: the astronauts in the capsule and everyone on the ground to get these guys back and of course in typical astronaut fashion the way he told it was just matter of fact no big deal this is what we had to do crazy right blah blah blah you know laugh it off and you know [SPEAKER_04]: First of all, it's just to see an astronaut, all of the astronaut, was in same pleasure and honor and then to hear this story that I had never heard before.

3:17 [SPEAKER_04]: And I mean, I was just, I was flabbergasted. [SPEAKER_04]: So when the movie came out, I'm like, I know what, after a bit of fear, I know how crazy this is. [SPEAKER_04]: I really want to see this movie. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: So, well, now I'm actually curious, having heard the story from the horse's mouth and then later seen the movie, [SPEAKER_18]: I know it's a dumb question, but did the movie live up to your expectations?

3:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely, I did. [SPEAKER_04]: It exceeded my expectations. [SPEAKER_04]: I just thought, you know, I am not a filmmaker or a film instructor. [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know all of the technical stuff, but to the advancement seemed just perfect or just up to what Ron Howard wanted to get the appearance of weightlessness and actual weightlessness, they shot so much of that in the vomit comet.

4:08 [SPEAKER_04]: But it's just, you know, when that realism is there is the fundamental, you forget that it's filmmaking and so it feels authentic and just to see the guys floating around the castle and doing everything. [SPEAKER_04]: you're like, yeah, that's, that was it. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, so yeah, it was, it was really, it really, I thought was a home run.

4:31 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm sure, I'm sure I said nothing but positive things when we talked about it. [SPEAKER_04]: That was a few years ago, so it's hard to remember exactly what I said. [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, it was, it was a home run for me. [SPEAKER_20]: You know, it's funny you talk about the failure's quote unquote of the space program, because I mean, you know, listen, just the space programs in its existence is a success overall, you know, and yes, are there accidents that have happened or things that have gone down, sure.

4:57 [SPEAKER_20]: But I tell you, this Apollo thirteen, even though it's quote unquote considered a failure, which I think is madness, it's actually success in so many other ways, because if you remember what they went through, how they overcame the things they overcame [SPEAKER_20]: a literally low percentage chance to survive the things that happened to them in order to come back.

5:15 [SPEAKER_20]: I mean, by every other measure, it is a success other than being able to fully complete their mission as it was mapped out. [SPEAKER_20]: So for me, I think it is an absolute success. [SPEAKER_20]: I mean, I remember this mission, not even before the movie, I remember this mission more than I remember a lot of the successful missions that went on.

5:35 [SPEAKER_20]: And Jim is an amazing character having amazing human being having been one of the, well, he was one of the first members of the second class of astronauts. [SPEAKER_20]: He was the first one to go up four times into space. [SPEAKER_20]: And he went on to become it's a serve in NASA as an administrative there as well.

5:51 [SPEAKER_20]: And so. [SPEAKER_20]: There was so much about him that conveyed this kind of what we aspire to be. [SPEAKER_20]: You know what I'm saying? [SPEAKER_20]: Buzz is like, what we probably are, but like, general is what we would like to be. [SPEAKER_20]: And so I think there's something really poetic in that.

6:05 [SPEAKER_20]: And who else but Tom Hanks to capture that energy at the prime of his career, just as he's moving into that area of the older statesman and elder statesman as an actor to bring that kind of solidness to the role that permeates throughout the entire movie and [SPEAKER_20]: helps you appreciate Jim Loveleva more through Tom Hanks's interpretation.

6:26 [SPEAKER_18]: You know, it's funny. [SPEAKER_18]: I was just thinking like one of one of our jobs that we feel on the set of files is to when there's a historical event that we're doing a movie of like Braveheart or the sound of music or anything else is that we try to go, well, what was really happening?

6:39 [SPEAKER_18]: What was really the truth? [SPEAKER_18]: And even those like those in particular are both movies, I adore both of them are not based on fact. [SPEAKER_18]: They're both have a lot of stuff made up. [SPEAKER_18]: And this is the opposite. [SPEAKER_18]: I know they were the whole, I remember when we talked about it, the whole crew on the film was going over all the flight logs and everything that happened in Mission Control throughout the whole process and anything that wasn't quite right.

7:03 [SPEAKER_18]: They were like, hey, this not only did they go, we got to fix this, but they discovered things and like what we got to tell this part of the story because it's amazing. [SPEAKER_18]: And I think too, like there's something about this film, it's just, it's just my style, it's my kind of thing.

7:18 [SPEAKER_18]: Because I realize more and more, particularly as I do, I'm getting older, is like, I like practically doing things. [SPEAKER_18]: That's like, that's what interests me. [SPEAKER_18]: How do you make the movie? [SPEAKER_18]: How do you run this business? [SPEAKER_18]: How do you build this product?

7:31 [SPEAKER_18]: It's the how that fascinates me. [SPEAKER_18]: And so, and this is a movie about a bunch of people working together to solve a problem. [SPEAKER_18]: And I just love that. [SPEAKER_18]: And I really feel this is something we need to all be looking at. [SPEAKER_18]: We've got a lot of problems.

7:47 [SPEAKER_18]: And America historically is the greatest problem solving country in the history of the world. [SPEAKER_18]: And I'm going to make that big claim. [SPEAKER_18]: I don't think that's a true statement. [SPEAKER_18]: And I think to some degree, we're not that right now. [SPEAKER_18]: We have forgotten how to be a country that can work to solve problems.

8:07 [SPEAKER_18]: We mostly are a country that just is really pissed off at each other. [SPEAKER_04]: boy, that's true. [SPEAKER_04]: And I was already thinking about the different generation of men. [SPEAKER_04]: And you know, you can definitely make complaints about the stoicism of men from that era. [SPEAKER_18]: But like, you know, my dad was totally comfortable expression is emotions.

8:29 [SPEAKER_04]: What are you talking about? [SPEAKER_04]: But just the fact where, you know, like everybody's like, yeah, this is what we got to do. [SPEAKER_04]: Just become cool collecting this that really was pretty much always there in those astronauts, at least public facing, but also, you know, like you said, they have the logs.

8:49 [SPEAKER_04]: just the like, okay, this is what we have to get done and just putting your head down and doing it, not complaining about it, just like, you know, the one scene where they're all kind of losing it and Jim levels, Tom Hanks says, you know, we can keep bouncing off the walls, but we still, when we come down, we're still gonna have these problems.

9:06 [SPEAKER_04]: So let's just get deal with this stuff right now. [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I like, that's a different class of human, man, that you don't see those people very much anymore. [SPEAKER_20]: Well, I would take Steve's common and maybe give a little more historical perspective on it because the movie takes place in nineteen seventy.

9:24 [SPEAKER_20]: The mission happened in nineteen seventy when we were pretty divided as a country as well. [SPEAKER_20]: Because this is in the middle of Vietnam. [SPEAKER_20]: This is protests in the street. [SPEAKER_20]: This is just about to get into that's a great point. [SPEAKER_20]: Right, there was just it was the almost mirroring what is going on now.

9:40 [SPEAKER_20]: We think now is really bad, but like in nineteen seven, it was just as bad if people go back and read their history books and experience, certainly older people who were adults during that time could let us know what the energy was like in the country with young people with the flower powers becoming domestic terrorists, flower power people becoming some domestic terrorists.

9:59 [SPEAKER_20]: Like, there was a lot going on. [SPEAKER_20]: We're two years away from Munich. [SPEAKER_20]: You know, there's so much that was going on. [SPEAKER_20]: And so I'm sure, like back in nineteen seventy, hearing this story was something that people were desperate to hear and we're like, why can't we do this here on earth?

10:16 [SPEAKER_20]: Why can't we find a way to work together overcome the problems? [SPEAKER_20]: You know, even though it looks like low percentage chance of success, why can't we do that? [SPEAKER_20]: And Steve pointed out just a few minutes ago, [SPEAKER_20]: We're back in that same boat again here in our world trying to find the way to bring these two divisive sides together so that we can find some common ground to save the country, which in essence is the [SPEAKER_20]: rocket ship for lack of another.

10:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Our spaceship or a ship or the end. [SPEAKER_04]: No, that's a great point. [SPEAKER_04]: That's a really good point. [SPEAKER_18]: Dude, it's such a good point. [SPEAKER_18]: I hadn't even thought about it, but you're totally right. [SPEAKER_18]: The moment at the time that they were coming together to do this amazing thing, our country was just as messed up.

10:58 [SPEAKER_18]: Then is it is now? [SPEAKER_18]: I have a question for you, too, gentlemen. [SPEAKER_18]: I did not prepare you for this question. [SPEAKER_18]: You did not have time to think about it in advance. [SPEAKER_20]: What else is new? [SPEAKER_20]: But they miss this question. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.

11:09 [SPEAKER_18]: But this is just what pops into my brain. [SPEAKER_18]: When you think of a poll, if I say a poll thirteen, what is the moment that first pops into your head? [SPEAKER_18]: Do you mean the movie or the mission? [SPEAKER_18]: The movie. [SPEAKER_18]: Again, the movie. [SPEAKER_18]: Like I'll get one of the one that just keeps popping my head is Gary Sinese and damn simulator trying to take a couple of volts off of that that that just tenacity to do that job is the one that came first in my brain.

11:37 [SPEAKER_04]: That's, you know, boy, I might have to let Johnny go on this one while I think about it. [SPEAKER_18]: Well, the question is what popped into your brain? [SPEAKER_04]: I know. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, the first thing to popped into my brain is actually, uh, is actually Tom Hanks, the Jim levels, uh, closing VO.

11:51 [SPEAKER_15]: I sometimes catch myself looking up at the moon, remembering that change is a fortune in our long voyage. [SPEAKER_15]: Thinking of the thousands of people who worked to bring the three of us home. [SPEAKER_15]: I look up at the moon and wonder, [SPEAKER_15]: When we be going back and who will that be?

12:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's the question that's in my head constantly. [SPEAKER_04]: When are we going back? [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like the only hope for this planet is for us to get off of it. [SPEAKER_04]: Otherwise, where is this gonna stay here and destroy each other over the... Do you want us to go and leave resources?

12:27 [SPEAKER_18]: And fuck up that planet. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, that's the only way we will survive. [SPEAKER_04]: If we spread like a virus, I watch the matrix. [SPEAKER_20]: I think of Jim Lovell's pep talk to Kevin Bacon's character. [SPEAKER_20]: Right, because it's like, that guy has a loss of confidence that he's gonna be able to do this.

12:49 [SPEAKER_20]: And it's Jim level that who has to calm him down and get him level about what's happened levels got a level them and what about we're going on to get him to focus and it's because he's lost in his own stuff and sometimes we have to understand members of our society are caught up in their own stuff.

13:07 [SPEAKER_20]: We have to help them see the bigger picture so they can get past that and take part in saving society. [SPEAKER_20]: And so I think I always think of that moment. [SPEAKER_20]: And then right behind it is exactly what you said Steve. [SPEAKER_20]: I think the Gary Sinney's moment is more like when he finally figures it out and let's go with his anger that he's not on the ship.

13:28 [SPEAKER_20]: I think that's an incredible moment as well. [SPEAKER_18]: Don't know what it says about us, but I find it interesting that I picked the tenacious working somewhat in isolation, not gonna quit. [SPEAKER_18]: John picked the relationship pep talk and strangely enough Dave Rapcho's hope. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, no, right.

13:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Right at the end. [SPEAKER_18]: Tell anyone. [SPEAKER_18]: You're secret is safe with us. [SPEAKER_18]: Well, with that, we're going to take you back to the incredible Ron Howard film, Apollo thirteen and our two part discussion with our special guest, Dave Rap. [SPEAKER_15]: This is Houston.

14:06 [SPEAKER_15]: Say again, please. [SPEAKER_15]: Houston, we have a problem. [SPEAKER_18]: Hello and welcome once again to the cinephiles where each week we enter the world of a great film and explore its themes, the history, the filmmaking and the influence it has on us today. [SPEAKER_18]: My name is Steve Morris, I'm a filmmaker and directing instructor in Los Angeles, California.

14:28 [SPEAKER_20]: Hello everyone, my name is John Rookham, I'm a voiceover artist, writer, producer, and host over at Collider video, and also the co-host of Top Ten, and the new Geek buddies that's been going on for a few weeks now, that I co-host with Michael Vogel and Shannon McClung, having a great time, and I can't wait to talk about this movie today.

14:46 [SPEAKER_18]: And we are very happy to welcome back one of our favorite guests, an animation writer and our resident, the cinephiles resident, NASA expert, Dave Rapp, welcome back to the cinephiles. [SPEAKER_17]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_17]: I am so happy to be back, and especially for this film, and I am all, because I know the fantastic visual component of podcasting, I wore my NASA shirt, I wore my, or my astronaut socks.

15:10 [SPEAKER_17]: Well, never mind. [SPEAKER_17]: Where you go, you wear NASA tattoo. [SPEAKER_18]: I have all that, yes, you do. [SPEAKER_18]: So you are well prepared and of course the movie we're talking about today is Apollo thirteen and it's really you know everyone right now is talking about that this is the fifty eighth anniversary of Apollo eleven and The thing that amazes me and I'm sure Dave you could talk endlessly more about this is The landing on the moon might be the hardest thing humans have ever done [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, yeah.

15:37 [SPEAKER_17]: I would absolutely think so. [SPEAKER_17]: I mean, I can't think of anything that compares to it. [SPEAKER_18]: The numbers I've heard is it's like four hundred thousand people working in concert to make this thing happen. [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_20]: Well, I think it was fascinating about that Apollo eleven documentary, which I've been seeing yet.

15:52 [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, you interviewed. [SPEAKER_18]: That's a great interview to it. [SPEAKER_18]: But by the way. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_20]: I interviewed Todd Douglas Miller who directed that film on the Deep Cut and he talked about, which you can find on the Collider Conversations podcast feed.

16:03 [SPEAKER_20]: If you want to listen to an hour, just discussing about how we called eleven thousand hours of video and audio and how he put it all together in the process. [SPEAKER_20]: I mean, they were working on it for years. [SPEAKER_20]: And then eventually the conversations with the families. [SPEAKER_20]: He really brings you into the minute detail that had to happen throughout every single step of the process in order for it to happen.

16:29 [SPEAKER_20]: And even then it's still thrilling and scary and all of that when they land and when they come off [SPEAKER_20]: You know, you don't know what's going to happen. [SPEAKER_20]: And there's these moments of like just quiet when they're going around them. [SPEAKER_20]: We're just like, this is insane.

16:41 [SPEAKER_20]: The amount of computations that you need to have that amount of people. [SPEAKER_18]: And having that someone is building some bolt that must be to the micro centimeter exactly what fits with this nut that's being built across the country and that all of this must come together. [SPEAKER_18]: And if anything is remotely off, then this whole thing doesn't work.

17:00 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, it's terrifying. [SPEAKER_18]: It's absolute crazy and so so one of the reasons we're doing all Paul thirteen is that we're all kind of looking to the heavens right now and thinking about that had the other reason we're doing a Paul thirteen is it is one of our top picks on Patreon Evan Solar James King and Michael Gullick all wanted this for their Patreon pick and we would love to hear why they wanted a Paul thirteen [SPEAKER_00]: Hey guys, I always grew up loving and reading about the space program.

17:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But this was the first movie where I was able to not only watch the harrowing story of how these astronauts get back to Earth, but just see how these missions are run at the ground level. [SPEAKER_00]: I would say that the main characters in Heroes of the Story are not so much the astronauts, but really are the people who used all their ingenuity and grit, and with confidence bring these men back home to Earth.

17:46 [SPEAKER_00]: really looking forward to your discussion and breakdown of this incredible film. [SPEAKER_29]: Hi Steven John, this is Mike from Massachusetts. [SPEAKER_29]: Thank you so much for doing one of my top five favorite movies of all time. [SPEAKER_29]: This was the first movie I saw in theaters with my dad after my parents divorced and it really helped for me to see humanity at their best in the worst situation.

18:05 [SPEAKER_29]: There wasn't a bad performance in the film with Ed Harris, Kathleen Quinlan and of course Tom Hanks as definite standouts. [SPEAKER_29]: This was a visual and a technical masterpiece, and in the words of Gene Krance, this was our final sour. [SPEAKER_29]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_03]: I had John and Steve, a long time page on the show, listened to it all the time, on repeat, shout out to Civil War, Shawshank Redemption, and the Breakfast Club.

18:36 [SPEAKER_03]: But for Apollo XIII, I was eight-year-old, the first time I saw that in the movie theater, and it was the first time I consciously really took in what film could do. [SPEAKER_03]: Putting it in a place that you could never imagine going, [SPEAKER_03]: putting you in the lives of people that seem so outside what you might ever be capable of and seeing just real people try to problem solve.

19:02 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's such a compact story about people overcoming odds that if you told them to do that, probably outside of that situation, probably would tell you it's impossible. [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just a great thriller, proud that you guys are finally getting around to it and can't wait to listen.

19:22 [SPEAKER_20]: Wow. [SPEAKER_20]: Those are some strong words. [SPEAKER_20]: Smartmen. [SPEAKER_20]: They always are. [SPEAKER_20]: Yep. [SPEAKER_20]: I appreciate their words about this movie. [SPEAKER_18]: Thank you guys for your support and thank you for picking this movie. [SPEAKER_18]: You want to know something really crazy about this?

19:33 [SPEAKER_18]: What's that? [SPEAKER_18]: So we're, uh, hundred and fifty. [SPEAKER_18]: This probably is our hundred and fifty first episode. [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, Dave, you missed it by one. [SPEAKER_18]: That's not that right. [SPEAKER_18]: This is not only, not only is this our first Ron Howard film. [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, whoa.

19:45 [SPEAKER_18]: This is our first Tom Hanks film. [SPEAKER_17]: What? [SPEAKER_17]: Whoa. [SPEAKER_17]: No, no. [SPEAKER_18]: And even crazier on some levels. [SPEAKER_18]: This is our first Kevin Bacon film. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, I think. [SPEAKER_18]: We have three years in our bacon. [SPEAKER_18]: We have synonymous.

20:00 [SPEAKER_18]: The cinephiles has failed the six degrees of Kevin Bacon. [SPEAKER_18]: I believe that we have a lot of movies now, but I kind of looked through quickly and I was like, I don't see them in any of the movies. [SPEAKER_18]: Isn't that crazy? [SPEAKER_18]: And yet, it is our third Bill Paxton film.

20:12 [SPEAKER_17]: Yes. [SPEAKER_17]: Well, that's fine with that. [SPEAKER_18]: The late great. [SPEAKER_18]: Dave, do you remember how you first came to this film? [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I had just moved to Phoenix from Ohio. [SPEAKER_17]: I had only been there a couple of months and this movie came out and this movie was one of the big reasons it made me think that I needed to be out in California instead.

20:32 [SPEAKER_17]: I was really. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, this movie was happening and I was like, I needed to work on this movie. [SPEAKER_17]: I need to get out there and be part of stuff like this. [SPEAKER_18]: Where were you at this point? [SPEAKER_18]: You were graduated from college? [SPEAKER_17]: Yes, that was out of college.

20:45 [SPEAKER_17]: I had been working as a grip in an electrician for a while, and I moved out to Phoenix as a sort of a stepping stone to come out here. [SPEAKER_17]: And yeah, I was just trying to get myself established there, and I saw this movie. [SPEAKER_17]: I was like, God damn it. [SPEAKER_17]: What about you, John?

21:04 [SPEAKER_20]: uh... definitely in the theater because what nineteen ninety five so i'm sure i saw it twenty five years old twenty four years old where ever uh... in the theater because i was a massive tom banks fan massive fan of the space program and so and that used to be a problem tagline and that's all they get your and it was a great uh... trailer and one how it is what the time was [SPEAKER_20]: In his heyday in the nineties, so just building that thing.

21:25 [SPEAKER_20]: So I was like excited to see what they could do together with this combination. [SPEAKER_20]: Plus it was Tom Hanks and one Howard again, which I loved in Splash. [SPEAKER_20]: It's Splash. [SPEAKER_20]: So I was like excited to see this combination. [SPEAKER_18]: So for me, I was in film school living in Los Angeles.

21:38 [SPEAKER_18]: I saw it in the theater. [SPEAKER_18]: And I also, this was one of the, I remember one of the first movies I worked in that on that DVD job, fresh out of film school. [SPEAKER_18]: So it is when I watched over and over again and as we talked about before on the podcast there's some movies which further viewings made them worse and worse and worse at a Paul thirteen is the opposite every time I watch this movie I was like man this really is a really good movie and the things that get me emotionally every time yeah [SPEAKER_18]: Every time Ed Harris sits down, I wouldn't do my notes.

22:10 [SPEAKER_18]: We'll get there. [SPEAKER_18]: I'll do a little bit of pre-production. [SPEAKER_18]: It started because Jim Lovell, this is obviously based on a true story of the Apollo XIII mission and what they had to do to bring them back home. [SPEAKER_18]: And Jim Lovell was writing a book called Lost Moon and the book had not even come out yet.

22:27 [SPEAKER_18]: It hadn't even been written yet and Brian Grazer and Ron Howard heard about it and said, this is a movie we want to do. [SPEAKER_18]: And of course Brian Grazer and Ron Howard are one of the probably the most successful producing directing partners in the history of film. [SPEAKER_18]: And they were fascinated from the very beginning by this idea of three worlds that there was the world of the astronauts.

22:51 [SPEAKER_18]: There was the world of mission control and there was the world of Maryland level and the family at home and bringing those three worlds together to tell the story. [SPEAKER_18]: And the first person they started with of course was Tom Hanks. [SPEAKER_18]: And Tom Hanks wanted to be an astronaut when he was a kid.

23:07 [SPEAKER_17]: Of course. [SPEAKER_18]: and had the toys and was passionate about it. [SPEAKER_18]: And it really sounds like he's a real collaborator on this movie, start to finish, and that Ron Howard welcomed him in. [SPEAKER_20]: Well, it's also a surprise considering how he's now producing so many things and involved with some of the documentaries.

23:24 [SPEAKER_20]: Maybe this is where he starts to see, like, there's more than I can do than just act. [SPEAKER_17]: Well, I was going to say, because after this, they did from there to the moon, right? [SPEAKER_17]: With Tom Hanks and, and, and, imagine, yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: I was totally a hundred percent wrong.

23:38 [SPEAKER_18]: This is not our first Tom Hanks movie. [SPEAKER_17]: Oh. [SPEAKER_18]: League of the Rown. [SPEAKER_18]: Yes. [SPEAKER_17]: Yes. [SPEAKER_17]: Yes. [SPEAKER_18]: Yes. [SPEAKER_18]: We have then released this. [SPEAKER_18]: That's ninety two. [SPEAKER_18]: Okay. [SPEAKER_18]: So I apologize to the center files.

23:47 [SPEAKER_18]: I made yet another horrible mistake. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, it's quite alright. [SPEAKER_18]: But he's on a run because ninety two is League of the Rown. [SPEAKER_18]: And he was, you know, from Splash, which is mid eighties and bosom buddies. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And he does all these comedy films, which I, you know, I love Tom Hanks.

24:01 [SPEAKER_18]: Sure. [SPEAKER_18]: But then there is Philadelphia in ninety three, sleep is in Seattle in ninety three and force company four. [SPEAKER_18]: And this is ninety five. [SPEAKER_18]: That is a run. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And Toy Story also. [SPEAKER_18]: And Toy Story is ninety five.

24:12 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Good boy. [SPEAKER_18]: And one of the things about this, and we've talked about this on we just did last the Mohicans, which is a tremendously well-researched movie. [SPEAKER_18]: This one they really wanted to get it right. [SPEAKER_18]: They poured everyone working on this movie as pouring over the transcripts, talking to the technical advisors, talking to Jim Lovell, talking to guys from NASA, talking to Gene Crans, talking to all these people to make sure they really, really get this one right.

24:41 [SPEAKER_18]: And one thing I know on this film, I'm not even going to come close to getting the names of all the great actors. [SPEAKER_18]: They're in this film. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, man. [SPEAKER_18]: They're such a good cast. [SPEAKER_18]: So all the little parts are like, I've seen that guy in something.

24:53 [SPEAKER_18]: That person's in all sorts of things. [SPEAKER_18]: This person's in all sorts of things. [SPEAKER_18]: But I will say that what we can know is that they had great casting directors, which is, uh, Janet, her chancin and Jane Jenkins cast this film. [SPEAKER_18]: And boy, like I said, just take a look at the IMDB start clicking on people and you'll see that, oh, that person was in that TV show.

25:10 [SPEAKER_18]: That person was in this fantastic cast. [SPEAKER_20]: We know Clint Howard's in this. [SPEAKER_18]: And Ron Howard's parents, both his mom and his parents, yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Would you like to, would you like to get in the movie? [SPEAKER_18]: Let's do it. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: We start with that score.

25:33 [SPEAKER_18]: And that's James Horner. [SPEAKER_18]: And that is one of those like you hear that score in all sorts of stuff today. [SPEAKER_18]: And what I forgot in watching it was that we start with the Apollo one disaster. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: I had forgotten that as well.

25:48 [SPEAKER_18]: Which is funny because it's one of the the first time we had you on the show. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, the second time we had you on the show was for the right stuff. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And in the right stuff, we meet customers. [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And do you remember the big thing that happened to Gus Grisson in the right stuff that was very controversial?

26:04 [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: He when he splashed down after his mercury flight, the hatch blew or he blew it, depending on your take on it and they weren't able to recover the vessel. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, and there was all this controversy of was it his fault? [SPEAKER_18]: It was a technical problem.

26:21 [SPEAKER_18]: And apparently, which I didn't know until watching one of the docs is that they read the hatch to make it not possible for it to blow like that. [SPEAKER_18]: And at the beginning of this movie, we see Gus Grissom getting into the Apollo one capsule and there's a circuitry problem and lots of pure oxygen in the capsule and it goes on fire and they can't get out through the hatch.

26:41 [SPEAKER_20]: Christmas is just the most tragic figure in the space program. [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, I agree. [SPEAKER_20]: By so by I mean, of course, Christmas call off in the people on the challenge, but this is more because no matter what happened, it seemed like drama seemed to follow. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, it was a whole career of crushing blows.

26:58 [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, and you just kept [SPEAKER_20]: trying and in the end, it was like, well, we're just going to set you on fire. [SPEAKER_20]: And it's just like, it's sad. [SPEAKER_20]: It's so sad. [SPEAKER_20]: Whenever I hear his name, I always just feel a certain sadness come over me, because to achieve that level, but to never be able to have any kind of positive result from what you've done is, it must be terrible.

27:17 [SPEAKER_17]: I thought this was a great move, though. [SPEAKER_17]: I had forgotten to. [SPEAKER_17]: It really started with this. [SPEAKER_17]: Seems like you would start with what you go into next, which is the landing on the moon, and this is the thing. [SPEAKER_17]: But this is so good, because it tells us that this is going to be a story about adversity.

27:33 [SPEAKER_17]: Right. [SPEAKER_17]: And it also tells you know, even though there is going to be a lot of flag waving here, this isn't [SPEAKER_17]: this is going to show the space program wards and all sort of thing and also it because they show you what happened here and then then when Jim level talks to his son about it you know what he's referencing and then when his son his mom talks to his son later it's perfect it's a perfect build up that's just beautiful [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

27:57 [SPEAKER_18]: Well, and it's also, it sets it like, no, this is dangerous. [SPEAKER_18]: Things can go wrong. [SPEAKER_18]: Right. [SPEAKER_18]: You know, it establishes right away. [SPEAKER_18]: And it's something we talked about when we talked about the right stuff is a lot of these astronauts came out of being test pilots where the survival rate is really, really low.

28:13 [SPEAKER_18]: In order to do a dangerous dangerous, or in order to do something that's never been done before, you take on tremendous amounts of risk. [SPEAKER_18]: And, of course, the person who's narrating a lot of this is Walter Krunkheim. [SPEAKER_30]: Inspired by the late President Kennedy, in only seven years, America has risen to the challenge of what he called the most hazardous and dangerous and greatest adventure, in which man has ever embarked.

28:37 [SPEAKER_30]: Here's what I didn't know. [SPEAKER_18]: I just assumed that this was all old Walter Cronkite footage. [SPEAKER_17]: But it's not. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I believe it. [SPEAKER_17]: They did such a good job of blending actual footage of newscast stuff with stuff that they shot themselves. [SPEAKER_18]: And this is Walter Cronkite in nineteen ninety five.

28:55 [SPEAKER_18]: And they went to him and they'd written the text. [SPEAKER_18]: This is what I love. [SPEAKER_18]: They'd written the text. [SPEAKER_18]: He read it. [SPEAKER_18]: He read it again. [SPEAKER_18]: He took out a pen. [SPEAKER_18]: He made some cuts. [SPEAKER_18]: He made some edits. [SPEAKER_18]: And he turned it into cronkeye.

29:09 [SPEAKER_18]: It was shorter. [SPEAKER_18]: It was tighter and it was way more dramatic. [SPEAKER_18]: And Ron Howard just describes it as just going, oh, that's perfect. [SPEAKER_18]: That's why he's Walter Cronkeye. [SPEAKER_20]: Well, if you, the thing that Todd said to me, which I didn't know about was the stuff in the Walter Crank height speech about when they landed on the moon, it was all in prompt, right?

29:27 [SPEAKER_20]: It was not written at all. [SPEAKER_20]: Wow. [SPEAKER_20]: Off the cuff, five minutes speech about the whole situation. [SPEAKER_20]: He's like, oh my god. [SPEAKER_18]: Well, and that's what we're going to go to right now because it is July, twenty-th, nineteen-sixy-nine, which is just a little more than fifty years ago.

29:41 [SPEAKER_18]: I was not quite a year old and we see Tom Hanks in a convertible and we see Kevin Bacon, who is demonstrating it. [SPEAKER_18]: A joining of a bottle and a glass for a woman. [SPEAKER_07]: And Tracy, I'll tell you what you feel about things sliding, everything's a clicking. [SPEAKER_07]: It's like no other feeling in the world.

30:04 [SPEAKER_18]: And we end up with the level house and there's a big party because it's the day of landing on the moon. [SPEAKER_18]: And we get some jokes from our astronauts. [SPEAKER_18]: Tom Hanks comes in and says, you know, what's the occasion? [SPEAKER_18]: And that's what we hear that his character Jim Level has had more time and space than anybody else.

30:20 [SPEAKER_18]: Gary Sinese comes in, Bill Paxton comes in, and what we find out is that they're going to be coming soon, because they are the crew for Apollo, fourteen. [SPEAKER_18]: So we got a little ways to go for them. [SPEAKER_18]: And then we have this bill to that moment of Lenny on the moon. [SPEAKER_18]: I think that's one of those things, man, I wish I could have been seen it.

30:39 [SPEAKER_18]: I'm sure I was sitting in front of the TV with my parents as a baby. [SPEAKER_18]: I can't imagine. [SPEAKER_17]: Right. [SPEAKER_17]: No, I just missed it. [SPEAKER_17]: But yeah, I mean, I don't know that there's anything else in certainly in the latter half of the twentieth century went in the TV age that united people like this.

30:57 [SPEAKER_17]: And I think it's just that this party is just a great expositional thing. [SPEAKER_17]: It lets you meet the characters, learn about them. [SPEAKER_17]: You get to see how the astronauts are competitive with each other when P Conrad is introduced to them. [SPEAKER_17]: But then once that moment happens, everyone in the room is just humbled.

31:14 [SPEAKER_17]: And everybody's having that experience. [SPEAKER_17]: It's awesome. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, even at the moment before they go, wait, it's too late to abort the mission. [SPEAKER_18]: And they make the joke and then everyone's quits him down and then it is quiet. [SPEAKER_18]: And there is this moment, which is one of the great, you know, there, I think there are two cronkite moments that I can picture.

31:30 [SPEAKER_18]: And one is the death of Kennedy. [SPEAKER_18]: And the other is this moment where he takes off his glasses. [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, on strong is on the move. [SPEAKER_12]: And there are about thirty eight year old American standing on the surface of [SPEAKER_18]: And you could see he's moved and amazed and just, by the way, it is insane to me that this footage does not exist in its original form.

31:53 [SPEAKER_18]: I don't know, people know this, but they actually, the actual video of the moon landing, the original is gone, destroyed. [SPEAKER_18]: That's just crazy to me. [SPEAKER_18]: And there's this moment as we watch and hear the one small step for a man and one giant lead for mankind and we see everyone's faces and the camera is on Tom Hanks.

32:24 [SPEAKER_18]: And his performance is just filled with so much there. [SPEAKER_18]: Like the amazement it's seen what he's seen, the desire for it to be him, like all of those things are in that look. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, absolutely. [SPEAKER_18]: And apparently originally they did it as a static shot.

32:43 [SPEAKER_18]: So they just had the camera on sticks and Ron Howard's watching his performance. [SPEAKER_18]: It's just a reaction shot. [SPEAKER_18]: First of all, we'll get his reaction. [SPEAKER_18]: And he sees there's so much going on that he kind of goes over to his DP and it's pushing on him. [SPEAKER_18]: And they were fortunately on the dolly already.

32:56 [SPEAKER_18]: It's either able to just slowly do that little pushing on him. [SPEAKER_18]: And it's just, it's so powerful. [SPEAKER_18]: Awesome. [SPEAKER_18]: It's later, it's after the party. [SPEAKER_18]: Tom Hanks, whose gym level is outside sitting on a lawn chair, looking up at the moon, and what's he doing?

33:10 [SPEAKER_18]: Covering it with his thumb. [SPEAKER_18]: So apparently something that Jim level did from the space capsule looking down at Earth, he would cover it with his thumb. [SPEAKER_18]: I think that's just, what is that mean? [SPEAKER_18]: Why are we looking at that? [SPEAKER_18]: What is that telling us?

33:29 [SPEAKER_20]: You're the rocket scientist. [SPEAKER_17]: Well, I can see covering the earth when you're on one of his Gemini missions or on Apollo eight because it's like this is, you know, just like everything. [SPEAKER_17]: This is whole world. [SPEAKER_17]: Everybody you know, everything you've ever experienced is there.

33:45 [SPEAKER_17]: And now it's not. [SPEAKER_17]: And just all behind your thumb. [SPEAKER_17]: It's crazy. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: I think it's something about scale and distance. [SPEAKER_18]: And that I will be there. [SPEAKER_18]: That's where I'm going to that little tiny, small thing is actually a really big thing that someday I'm going to stand on.

34:02 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And out comes his wife, Marilyn Catherine Quinlan. [SPEAKER_17]: She's great in this book. [SPEAKER_17]: She's amazing in this movie. [SPEAKER_17]: She every time she gets a chance to do something, she does the maximum with it. [SPEAKER_17]: And which is not to say she's chewing the scenery.

34:16 [SPEAKER_17]: She is making the best use of all of her time on screen. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_18]: And they're both a little bit drunk. [SPEAKER_18]: And you know, we hear a little bit about what Neil Armstrong's wife is going to be feeling at this moment. [SPEAKER_18]: And I love this where Jim level says Christopher Columbus Charles Lindberg and Neil Armstrong.

34:41 [SPEAKER_18]: Neil Armstrong. [SPEAKER_18]: Can you imagine if like somebody of ours, who we maybe respect and maybe are competitive with and maybe think we're the, and it's like, you know, Christopher Columbus, Charles Lindberg and Dave Ratt. [SPEAKER_18]: I'm sure I blew the buck, blew the levels on that one.

35:01 [SPEAKER_18]: So much in that line. [SPEAKER_18]: And then we get to this next thing, which is from now on, we live in a world where man has walked on the moon. [SPEAKER_17]: like that's like almost like you've got it's like it's breaking the sound barrier it's it's circumnavigating the globe it's I don't know being being dubbed to the enterprise it's like something that's what the world is never the same but you also get their relationship and the relationship of all the wives with the astronaut husbands right there because she's saying something completely different he's not hearing it she's like this is a horrible terrible thing to worry about stress about and he's like this is awesome [SPEAKER_17]: And they're just like, that's the dynamic.

35:38 [SPEAKER_17]: This is what she signed up for. [SPEAKER_18]: The next line is a line that might be one of my favorite lines of the movie, which apparently came from Tom Hanks, and this came from him and Ron Howard having a conversation. [SPEAKER_18]: And the line is, it's not a miracle. [SPEAKER_18]: We just decided to go.

35:53 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: There's so much in this movie that is about hard work in perseverance and smarts and engineering and discipline and collaboration that so matches up with my philosophy. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh yeah. [SPEAKER_20]: Well also the connection here is the thumb thing and this line are connected because to him [SPEAKER_20]: I think the thumb is his way of going like, I did it to the earth, I can do it to the moon.

36:21 [SPEAKER_20]: If I did it in that place, I can do it in this place. [SPEAKER_20]: And we just decided to go do it. [SPEAKER_20]: That's the kind of, I don't know what the word, there's a phrase to a right, there's a phrase to it about just doing it. [SPEAKER_20]: And this is going to lay, this is definitely laying the groundwork.

36:39 [SPEAKER_20]: for what level is going to have to do on that mission later on when things start falling apart. [SPEAKER_20]: This idea of, we just, we decided to live. [SPEAKER_20]: We decided to figure it out. [SPEAKER_20]: We decided to get it done. [SPEAKER_20]: We decided to get back home. [SPEAKER_20]: And this is like, that's his just mentality.

36:52 [SPEAKER_20]: Once he decides to do something, he believes he can get it done or human beings can get it done if they set their mind to it. [SPEAKER_17]: And I think that's a great point. [SPEAKER_20]: I think there's something about that. [SPEAKER_20]: It's really powerful. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, I totally agree.

37:02 [SPEAKER_18]: And then she asked where her mountain is. [SPEAKER_18]: So I had to look it up. [SPEAKER_18]: This is not actually scientifically. [SPEAKER_18]: There's not a mountain island. [SPEAKER_18]: He said, the gym level called it that and all the other astronauts at that time called it that, but it did not get named that.

37:17 [SPEAKER_17]: Well, I, I named a star after my daughter when she was born. [SPEAKER_17]: That's counselor. [SPEAKER_17]: That's a real thing. [SPEAKER_17]: Sure. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, you can buy a star, can't you? [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, that does count. [SPEAKER_17]: It doesn't count. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, isn't it like the scientific registry or something?

37:33 [SPEAKER_18]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_18]: You ruining all my lives. [SPEAKER_18]: And then they get a little romantic, and it's very cute. [SPEAKER_18]: Hello. [SPEAKER_18]: We're off in the, like, I think it's the vehicle assembly building. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Which apparently is huge.

37:45 [SPEAKER_18]: Yes. [SPEAKER_18]: Have you been there? [SPEAKER_18]: No, I will. [SPEAKER_18]: And now we have Tom Hanks, given the tour. [SPEAKER_15]: The astronaut is only the most visible member of a very large team, and all of us, right down to the guy sweeping the floor, are honored to be a part of it.

38:01 [SPEAKER_18]: Because a lot of what astronauts do when they're not on the mission is a lot of public relations. [SPEAKER_15]: What did the man say? [SPEAKER_15]: Give me a lever long enough, and I'll move to the world. [SPEAKER_15]: Well, that's exactly what we're doing here. [SPEAKER_15]: This is divine inspiration folks.

38:13 [SPEAKER_15]: The best part of each one of us, the belief that anything is possible. [SPEAKER_15]: Things like a computer that can fit into a single room. [SPEAKER_15]: and hold millions of pieces of information. [SPEAKER_18]: And he is talking about the big team that is used to make this happen. [SPEAKER_18]: And immediately he's getting heckled by a senator who's kind of, why are we even doing this?

38:34 [SPEAKER_23]: Now Jim, people in my state have been asking why we're continuing to fund this program. [SPEAKER_23]: I'm now that we beat Russians to the moment. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, who's also Roger Corman. [SPEAKER_18]: And Roger Corman for though, he's come up before on the show, but he is the master of low budget horror science fiction action films, particularly in the sixties and seventies, and he gave a start to all sorts of directors, including Peter Fonda, including Martin Scorsese, including Ron Howard, a whole bunch of other people work for him, and a lot of those guys ended up putting him in their movies, and this was his chance.

39:11 [SPEAKER_17]: He was in science of the lamps that we did. [SPEAKER_17]: That's right. [SPEAKER_18]: Well, because he's just John also playing a senator. [SPEAKER_18]: I kind of wish I had somehow found a way to Roger Corman or a rod. [SPEAKER_18]: I kind of had my Roger Corman like experience with Fred Lyntrop.

39:28 [SPEAKER_18]: That was sort of my Roger Corman experience. [SPEAKER_18]: And he's kind of going, but why should we even have to do this? [SPEAKER_18]: Imagine if Christopher Columbus had come back from the new world and no one returned in his footsteps. [SPEAKER_18]: That's a big, serious, heavy line which we could still ask today, since we still aren't going back.

39:45 [SPEAKER_18]: And what is the next question he gets asked? [SPEAKER_18]: Is it a big, serious, heavy, philosophical line? [SPEAKER_18]: No. [SPEAKER_33]: How do you go to the bathroom space? [SPEAKER_15]: I tell you, it's a highly technical process of cranking down the window and looking for a gas station.

40:01 [SPEAKER_17]: The most common question, any of the astronauts was asked. [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, can you explain how it's done? [SPEAKER_18]: It's suction. [SPEAKER_18]: That's fair. [SPEAKER_18]: And it comes deep self-slayton. [SPEAKER_18]: And he's one of the Mercury seven, right? [SPEAKER_18]: Yes. [SPEAKER_18]: He's not one of the main characters in the right stuff, though.

40:18 [SPEAKER_17]: He's like, no, he's, I mean, he's one of the guys. [SPEAKER_18]: I know, but he's not one of our main. [SPEAKER_17]: Right, because he's the only one of the main seven that didn't go. [SPEAKER_17]: He got diagnosed with a heart murmur, some sort of heart condition early on. [SPEAKER_17]: And so there were six actual six mercury flights.

40:32 [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And he wants to have a word with Jim Lovell. [SPEAKER_18]: And this is where storytelling happens to the cut. [SPEAKER_18]: I have something important to talk to you about cut to Jim Lovell comes home excited. [SPEAKER_30]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Finds his wife who's having an argument with their daughter and says, you know, that Easter vacation trip we had planned for October.

41:02 [SPEAKER_15]: I can now, there might be a slight change in destination. [SPEAKER_15]: Maybe say the moon. [SPEAKER_18]: It's great. [SPEAKER_18]: That's a really good moment. [SPEAKER_18]: And the reason is is that, uh, uh, uh, who's it? [SPEAKER_18]: Is it to, oh, our shepherd has an ear infection. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.

41:22 [SPEAKER_18]: Which is weird to me because, okay, he has an ear infection, which causes the Apollo fourteen crew to get bumped up to a ball of thirteen. [SPEAKER_18]: And then the measles thing is going to mess up the Apollo thirteen crew. [SPEAKER_18]: Right. [SPEAKER_18]: Someone say it was cursed.

41:34 [SPEAKER_20]: I feel like this is, that's what is, it's all set to the number thirteen. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, [SPEAKER_18]: I think it seems scientifically good. [SPEAKER_20]: I don't trust odd numbers. [SPEAKER_20]: And there's a lot of the numbers. [SPEAKER_20]: Apollo one. [SPEAKER_18]: I actually.

41:50 [SPEAKER_20]: I agree. [SPEAKER_20]: Apollo eleven. [SPEAKER_20]: Apollo eleven. [SPEAKER_20]: I think I like it. [SPEAKER_18]: You're also anti odd numbers. [SPEAKER_17]: I'm not superstitious, but I am OCD and I prefer even numbers. [SPEAKER_17]: Yes, because you know that you can always divide them by two.

42:02 [SPEAKER_17]: There's a foul. [SPEAKER_17]: It's an odd number. [SPEAKER_17]: It's like prime. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, that'd be prime. [SPEAKER_18]: Those are the best numbers. [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, those are the ones you definitely don't trust. [SPEAKER_18]: I love the moment where the argument with the daughter is about the clothes that she's wearing.

42:19 [SPEAKER_18]: And she comes out and says, Dad, can I wear this? [SPEAKER_18]: And he says, sure. [SPEAKER_18]: And she says, Jim, and he says, no. [SPEAKER_18]: And immediately against the thing that you pointed at before. [SPEAKER_18]: His reaction is, this is great. [SPEAKER_18]: her reaction is oh yeah and she is superstitious yeah and she's also immediately like so that's only in six months are you sure you have enough time for six months you can her worry is palpable absolutely and of course now we jump to it's three months to launch and our guys are in the simulator and apparently the actual astronauts they spent like cumulatively like a year in the simulator [SPEAKER_18]: just working every possible scenario every single thing that could go wrong over and over and over again to be fair half of that was Gary Sinese.

43:07 [SPEAKER_18]: And the people on the outside, they decide to mess with them a little and so they're starting to do this docking maneuver which is something we're going to see when we're actually out in space and they realize something goes wrong and he manages to [SPEAKER_18]: make it work. [SPEAKER_18]: And in first time Hanks is like, way, we should back off and try it again.

43:22 [SPEAKER_18]: And he says, no, no, I got it. [SPEAKER_18]: And they capture it. [SPEAKER_18]: And I love that what they're working with is a little camera and like a little suction cup or something. [SPEAKER_18]: And that's what they're trying to maneuver. [SPEAKER_18]: I can't imagine building one of these simulators and having it respond the way that an actual spaceship would respond.

43:39 [SPEAKER_17]: How do you know? [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, it goes to what you said John about the thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of people that have to build everything and use it to like I would rather be involved in the sixty space program than today because even though technology is better today, I don't trust the work ethic of everybody that's sure.

43:58 [SPEAKER_17]: The sixty's everybody was like in it patriotic working hard. [SPEAKER_17]: Like, well, it's crazy. [SPEAKER_18]: Well, one of the things I don't try, which is so different is that there was a time when there were people that actually knew how to do all the stuff. [SPEAKER_18]: Right. [SPEAKER_18]: And now you don't have, uh, what is it, Katherine Johnson, who's, you know, literally the human computer, who did all the math.

44:19 [SPEAKER_18]: Right. [SPEAKER_18]: You just enter the numbers into a computer and it says, here's the answer. [SPEAKER_18]: And there's even all sorts of now, a lot of engineering design, which the computer AI has figured out how to make the right way. [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Look at the back.

44:33 [SPEAKER_18]: Well, it's like, you know, if you were in the seventies and you were like in the home brew computing club, you knew every component in your computer. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Today, the vast majority of people that work on computers, which is millions of people, they don't know what's going on inside there.

44:47 [SPEAKER_19]: Right. [SPEAKER_18]: They're just handed it that. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: It's a different world. [SPEAKER_18]: Um, but they're working in the simulator and they managed to do it and everyone says good job. [SPEAKER_18]: And we're heading out and it's time for the backup team to come in and just as they're heading out, Gary Sinese, who plays Ken Manningley, what does he say?

45:02 [SPEAKER_11]: And when it wasn't perfect, you just have too much fuel. [SPEAKER_11]: I love the curve. [SPEAKER_11]: Not by much. [SPEAKER_11]: Listen, guys. [SPEAKER_11]: I want to work it again. [SPEAKER_11]: Hey. [SPEAKER_11]: We got to be up with the Dom Patrol, I had it for Beth Page, what, oh, seven hundred?

45:16 [SPEAKER_11]: It feels up it, oh, seven. [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I know, but my rate of turn is still a little too slow there. [SPEAKER_11]: I'm really think we should work it again. [SPEAKER_18]: And there's a look from Jim Lovell who goes, well, let's get it right. [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, set it up again, Frank.

45:29 [SPEAKER_18]: Which also means that the backup crew, including Kevin Bacon, they're not getting the time in the simulator. [SPEAKER_18]: Gary, it's so funny kids. [SPEAKER_18]: So this is right after four scum. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: So you abacked a back Tom Hanks at Gary Sinney's movies.

45:42 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Had we seen him before for Scump? [SPEAKER_20]: I'm not sure. [SPEAKER_20]: That's a good question. [SPEAKER_20]: If we had seen him in a way that was notable, I'm not sure one of my son men came out. [SPEAKER_20]: It might have been after. [SPEAKER_18]: I thought it was after.

45:55 [SPEAKER_18]: Because I know they're steppin' Wolf guy. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: That guy needs a steppin' Wolf, which is... Which is... Which is... With Malcolm Vitch and a whole bunch of other people and this is one of the great theaters in Chicago. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: With a really kind of open up the world of theater in the late eighties early nineties.

46:12 [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, if my cement was before, it's ninety-two. [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, it's ninety-two. [SPEAKER_20]: So and midnight clear was ninety-two as well, which is kind of smaller independent films. [SPEAKER_20]: So he'd had some kind of name and then he was in the stand in ninety-four then. [SPEAKER_20]: All right.

46:25 [SPEAKER_20]: Then in four scump and then quicken the dead as well, ninety-five. [SPEAKER_20]: He's making his move, basically. [SPEAKER_18]: This is my favorite Garcinies. [SPEAKER_18]: I think in this moment. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, really? [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: I like that strong statement. [SPEAKER_18]: All right.

46:36 [SPEAKER_18]: I just, he's so solidly that character for me. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, that's true. [SPEAKER_17]: And I mean, this, this cast I said before, it's like, you know, nobody doesn't love Tom Hanks. [SPEAKER_17]: He's the serily of acting. [SPEAKER_17]: Let's say. [SPEAKER_17]: And then Bill Paxon's been one of my favorites ever since, ever since weird science.

46:56 [SPEAKER_17]: You know, I love Kevin Bacon. [SPEAKER_17]: Come on, six degrees of Kevin Bacon. [SPEAKER_17]: And then yeah, and coming right off for a scum to put Gary Sunnis, it's just, it's an amazing team. [SPEAKER_18]: Do you think having six degrees of Kevin Bacon was good for Kevin Bacon or bad for Kevin Bacon?

47:12 [SPEAKER_20]: I don't think Kevin Bacon could care less. [SPEAKER_20]: It's great branding for him. [SPEAKER_20]: People are talking about him all the time. [SPEAKER_18]: That's such a weird like your name. [SPEAKER_18]: Kind of rhymes with this thing. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: It's the first thing now everyone will think of.

47:29 [SPEAKER_18]: Honestly, Kevin Bacon's always good. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_20]: He's always good. [SPEAKER_20]: By the way, is Gary Sunnis the most Tom Hanks. [SPEAKER_20]: It's like the most name person that has worked with Tom Hanks. [SPEAKER_20]: Because you look at what force gumped this and the green mile.

47:44 [SPEAKER_20]: Those are three. [SPEAKER_17]: He's worked a long way in green mile. [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_20]: I don't know if there are any other actors that have worked as many as much with Tom Hanks. [SPEAKER_20]: Tim Allen. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, fair point. [SPEAKER_18]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_18]: He's not the TV actor.

48:03 [SPEAKER_18]: But anyway, but now we go into this. [SPEAKER_18]: We actually see them. [SPEAKER_18]: They're in their suits. [SPEAKER_18]: They're in space. [SPEAKER_18]: They're zero gravity. [SPEAKER_18]: And we're like, oh, shit. [SPEAKER_18]: We like skipped into space. [SPEAKER_18]: What's what's happened here?

48:20 [SPEAKER_18]: And then the hatch burst open, and it is suddenly super, super scary. [SPEAKER_18]: And I think you have that quick transition to, oh, they're in space, did I skip something? [SPEAKER_18]: Wait, what's going on? [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, it's a dream. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: And I don't know where is the place to talk about this, but I feel like we need to talk about the technical aspect of shooting this weightless scenes, because this movie is so important to have [SPEAKER_17]: to have all the astronaut scenes in the capsule's feel realistic.

48:51 [SPEAKER_17]: And the fact that they actually did make them wait lists for these scenes, you couldn't have done it with wires or CGI. [SPEAKER_18]: Could I tell you something interesting? [SPEAKER_17]: Please do. [SPEAKER_18]: This scene is with wires. [SPEAKER_18]: This scene is not in the vomit comment.

49:04 [SPEAKER_18]: So what I'm talking about is Well, no, but this is it's really interesting so so and we'll get into it is that Is that what they did for this film was actually shoot a ton of stuff in zero G in the Casey one thirty five is what it is and what Ron Howard said was he didn't want this scene to look like that And so this is done when the old school technique with wires and all that and it's only a couple of shots [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, and so he wanted it.

49:30 [SPEAKER_18]: He wanted people to actually go like, oh, is this the best you can do with zero g so that later on when he actually shows the full zero g that it's really impressive. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, but I remember when they get to zero geos, like, how are they doing this? [SPEAKER_17]: I remember watching the movie in the theater and being like, I, this is amazing.

49:46 [SPEAKER_17]: This really looks like I can't tell. [SPEAKER_17]: And then it gets to be so real that you forget it and you're in, you're completely in the movie. [SPEAKER_17]: It's so real that, you know, nothing draws you out of the moment. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And we think that this is probably going to be Jim Lovell's dream, but in fact, it's not.

50:01 [SPEAKER_18]: It's Marilyn, it's his wife. [SPEAKER_18]: And she wakes up and then she hears, [SPEAKER_18]: her husband talking to her son. [SPEAKER_18]: At a first it starts off with just him explaining the trip to the moon. [SPEAKER_14]: And I take the controls and I steer it around and I fly it down.

50:18 [SPEAKER_14]: Adjusting it here, the attitude there, pitch roll for a nice soft landing on the moon. [SPEAKER_14]: Better than the alarm's from. [SPEAKER_14]: Way better than Pete Conrad. [SPEAKER_18]: And a couple of things about this. [SPEAKER_18]: One is one of the big chores in this movie. [SPEAKER_18]: There's so much exposition to get out.

50:36 [SPEAKER_18]: There's so much complicated science. [SPEAKER_18]: The audience has to know. [SPEAKER_18]: And how are you going to do that? [SPEAKER_18]: And what they did was that this scene is actually just kind of improv. [SPEAKER_18]: And it's a way of doing a the exposition of we're going to go to the moon at this speed.

50:49 [SPEAKER_18]: And we're going to go around the move and then I'm going to land on this lander and [SPEAKER_18]: That's all, so it's all exposition to the argument of science stuff, but it also feels like dad reassuring his kid. [SPEAKER_18]: So it has an emotional component, and then you get into the second half of the scene, which is what you mentioned before of the kid saying, [SPEAKER_18]: And this comes from Ron Howard was talking to, because they talked to everyone at NASA, they could.

51:16 [SPEAKER_18]: They huge participation. [SPEAKER_18]: And he was talking to a shuttle astronaut from the Space Shuttle. [SPEAKER_18]: And he was talking about that he went up right after the Challenger explosion. [SPEAKER_18]: And this is a conversation that he had with his son. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, wow.

51:29 [SPEAKER_18]: Because his son had seen the Challenger explosion and said, Dad, did you know those people? [SPEAKER_18]: He said, yeah. [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, I did. [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, the astronauts in the fire. [SPEAKER_31]: What happened again? [SPEAKER_14]: Well, I'll tell you some about that fire.

51:44 [SPEAKER_14]: A lot of things went wrong. [SPEAKER_14]: The door. [SPEAKER_14]: It's called a hatch. [SPEAKER_14]: They couldn't get it open when they needed to get out. [SPEAKER_14]: That was one thing. [SPEAKER_14]: And a lot of things went wrong in that fire. [SPEAKER_14]: Oh yes, absolutely. [SPEAKER_14]: We fixed it.

52:12 [SPEAKER_18]: It's not a problem anymore. [SPEAKER_18]: I can't imagine having a conversation there, like that with your kid. [SPEAKER_18]: No. [SPEAKER_20]: It seems like every space movie or space show has to have that conversation with the wife that's freaky and scary. [SPEAKER_20]: It's like scary.

52:27 [SPEAKER_20]: And the conversation with the kid explaining the situation. [SPEAKER_20]: Even in first man, which turned the genre on its head in terms of space movies by not having it be that way, has a forced conversation with his kids before he goes up, right? [SPEAKER_20]: Claire for a young man that he has to talk.

52:43 [SPEAKER_20]: to his sons. [SPEAKER_20]: Right. [SPEAKER_20]: I kind of like that, too. [SPEAKER_18]: We're often a car and they're again, they're kind of talking. [SPEAKER_18]: You could see her negativeness about it. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, of course. [SPEAKER_18]: Everything that's happening because she's freaked out.

52:54 [SPEAKER_18]: And she loves him. [SPEAKER_18]: And she loves him. [SPEAKER_18]: And then a car pulls up next to him. [SPEAKER_18]: And it's actually recognizes him and kind of wants a drag race. [SPEAKER_18]: The node Ron Howard said about this moment. [SPEAKER_18]: This is tribute to American graffiti which of course is a Ron Howard you know, which is Lucas with Ron Howard is a star good point and then what we hear is that Maryland doesn't want to be at the launch.

53:17 [SPEAKER_18]: Right. [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, Maryland we've had these kids for a while now [SPEAKER_15]: They're very kept and they're coming to the other one. [SPEAKER_33]: Yes, but now I have your mother. [SPEAKER_33]: She's just had this too. [SPEAKER_15]: Mom's fine. [SPEAKER_33]: I mean, it's not like I've never been to a launch before the other wives.

53:34 [SPEAKER_33]: I'm not done three. [SPEAKER_33]: I just don't think I can go through all now. [SPEAKER_18]: I think it's a really good husband wife moment. [SPEAKER_18]: It is. [SPEAKER_18]: Because it's not a fight. [SPEAKER_18]: No, no. [SPEAKER_18]: It's sort of, uh, oh, I'm disappointed. [SPEAKER_18]: I'm really not happy about this.

53:52 [SPEAKER_18]: I'm not going to force you to do it. [SPEAKER_18]: It's a really good thing. [SPEAKER_17]: And you also get the foreshadowing because when that guy wants to drag him, his car stalls. [SPEAKER_17]: His car stalls. [SPEAKER_17]: His equipment failure. [SPEAKER_18]: There are several equipment failures throughout the film.

54:05 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: If he was reading the science, is if Jim didn't read science? [SPEAKER_18]: Well, he already ignored the fact that it was Apollo thirteen. [SPEAKER_18]: True. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, that's true. [SPEAKER_18]: Well, he already ignored the fact that it was Apollo thirteen.

54:12 [SPEAKER_18]: True. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, that's true. [SPEAKER_20]: Well, he already ignored the fact that it was Apollo thirteen. [SPEAKER_20]: True. [SPEAKER_20]: I mean, that's true. [SPEAKER_20]: I figured that out. [SPEAKER_20]: Apollo eleven works because one and one is a balance. [SPEAKER_20]: So, so an eleven is fine.

54:20 [SPEAKER_18]: All right. [SPEAKER_18]: So, should we skip all the odd number? [SPEAKER_18]: Wait a second. [SPEAKER_18]: This is an odd number podcast. [SPEAKER_18]: This is one fifty one. [SPEAKER_18]: But it's a palandrom, so that's okay. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_18]: Thank God. [SPEAKER_18]: I was.

54:31 [SPEAKER_18]: And it's also a type of rum. [SPEAKER_18]: It's true. [SPEAKER_18]: It's true. [SPEAKER_18]: Fair enough. [SPEAKER_18]: Maybe we should have some one fifty one right now. [SPEAKER_18]: I like that idea. [SPEAKER_18]: I do not. [SPEAKER_18]: This is the last thing I need. [SPEAKER_18]: And he heads off to a plane and she watches him fly away and then we are taking some pictures of the crew and actually it's funny we're mentioning that because the next question they get in their news conferences doesn't the number thirteen bother you.

54:58 [SPEAKER_18]: And this does, and there's, it's not just a Paul thirteen, but they're gonna like orbit the moon on the land on the moon on the thirteen, then there's a thirteen, there's like a whole bunch of thirteen's coming up. [SPEAKER_18]: counting fate. [SPEAKER_20]: Just got to be hubris hubris.

55:14 [SPEAKER_18]: Well, it's something I didn't say before. [SPEAKER_18]: Do you remember what Tom Hanks is response to it being thirteen when Marilyn brings it up? [SPEAKER_18]: It's the number after twelve. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: That line came from Tom Hanks. [SPEAKER_19]: That's a simple response.

55:27 [SPEAKER_19]: It's exactly what I would say. [SPEAKER_17]: It's not the floor after twelve and most hotels or other buildings. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, those hotels are stupid. [SPEAKER_18]: What's so funny is I'm so anti superstitious. [SPEAKER_18]: You are really that I will I will walk under the ladder.

55:44 [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, I do that too. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, if there were so much superstitious next to me, I will like, oh, really. [SPEAKER_18]: What it was, and yet, I mean, it's so funny is when you start thinking this way, you could find stuff. [SPEAKER_18]: My first kind of bigger film at film school, which was written by our friend Josh Haber, produced by our friend Mac Garcia, and I directed, we broke, I don't know, you know, fifteen, twenty mirrors in a whole bunch of different places for the scene.

56:09 [SPEAKER_18]: That movie sucked. [SPEAKER_18]: There you go. [SPEAKER_18]: The scene look cool. [SPEAKER_18]: All right. [SPEAKER_18]: And then this is what we kind of heard this. [SPEAKER_18]: sort of foreshadowing it at the party with the moonland. [SPEAKER_18]: He was, are we even going to make it to Apollo fourteen?

56:23 [SPEAKER_18]: And then we heard it with the senator saying, why are you even doing this? [SPEAKER_18]: You already did it once. [SPEAKER_18]: And now we're here with the reporter saying, the public thinks it's routine. [SPEAKER_18]: That's, I think that says so much about human nature. [SPEAKER_18]: That we did it twice, right?

56:38 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And the public's like, yeah, we're over it. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: We conquered it. [SPEAKER_18]: It boggles my mind. [SPEAKER_20]: It says, it's how we are. [SPEAKER_20]: That's why they stopped, like, the space shuttle at some point, like, and before the challenge, they had to, people were starting to feel like it was, oh, it was like, oh, no big deal.

56:55 [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: I'm sure that Chris McCalf was there as a PR. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: I mean, trying to get people and kids and be graded so they could show the launches again and get people to watch. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, to me, it's like, you've seen the triple-lindi once.

57:07 [SPEAKER_18]: Why would you ever need to see it again? [SPEAKER_18]: It's still my favorite run in danger of the shot ever. [SPEAKER_18]: We still haven't talked about doing that on the back of the phone. [SPEAKER_18]: We have to talk about doing that on the back of the phone. [SPEAKER_18]: You're a melon.

57:19 [SPEAKER_18]: And of course, it's definitely routine about flying to the moon. [SPEAKER_15]: I can back to that. [SPEAKER_15]: And I think that an astronaut's last mission is final flight. [SPEAKER_15]: Well, that's always going to be very special. [SPEAKER_15]: Why is this your last gen? [SPEAKER_15]: I'm in command of the the best ship with the best crew that anybody could ask for.

57:43 [SPEAKER_15]: And I'll be walking in a place where there is four hundred degrees difference between sunlight and shadow. [SPEAKER_15]: I can't imagine the ever-topping that. [SPEAKER_20]: Dave, these are all cocky guys aren't they? [SPEAKER_20]: Not cocky in a sense of like overtly going up like they're super confident.

58:02 [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: You have to have a certain sense of confidence to be able to go up in a, you know, because they were all test pilots. [SPEAKER_17]: Like you were saying before one and there was a period where one and four were died. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: So if you're the guy who lived, you're like, you know, I've been touched by God.

58:16 [SPEAKER_17]: I'm blessed. [SPEAKER_17]: They just have that right. [SPEAKER_17]: What is that stuff? [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, man. [SPEAKER_18]: And then we see the big, uh, I think it's called the crawler, which was the real thing that transported the Saturn rockets that I think they used for the shuttle to apparently Ron Howard got to drive it.

58:34 [SPEAKER_18]: What? [SPEAKER_18]: That's so awesome. [SPEAKER_18]: You can't imagine. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, I'm sure it goes like a quarter of a mile an hour or something, but that would still be terrifying to drive something like that. [SPEAKER_18]: And D comes up and [SPEAKER_18]: It says we got some problems.

58:50 [SPEAKER_18]: There's some lab work that came back and it's I guess one of the guys on the backup crew got the measles. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, German measles and so and they're all got exposed to it and and Jim is like well, I've had the measles, but Ken Maddenly which is the Gary Sinese character has not you know [SPEAKER_18]: And now we have the meeting where the medical crew has said the flight surgeons has said, madingly can't go.

59:17 [SPEAKER_15]: You want to break up my crew two days before the launch. [SPEAKER_15]: When we can predict each other's moves, we can read the tone of each other's voices. [SPEAKER_20]: This is a great scene for him too. [SPEAKER_20]: It is. [SPEAKER_20]: You know, because Tom's been kind of sitting this thing, chill, chill, chill.

59:30 [SPEAKER_20]: And then once you upset his apple cart, it's all bets are off. [SPEAKER_15]: I've trained for the frown more highlands. [SPEAKER_20]: And this is flight searchin' horseship, Digg. [SPEAKER_20]: That nerd rage. [SPEAKER_20]: He was nerd rage all over the place about it because like it's so important to him to go.

59:47 [SPEAKER_20]: And then he needs his crew in order for him to go. [SPEAKER_18]: I cannot qualify this as nerd rage. [SPEAKER_18]: Now, okay. [SPEAKER_18]: I'm not sure what the technical definition is, but this is literally a life and death situation. [SPEAKER_18]: There is good reason for him to be upset.

1:00:00 [SPEAKER_18]: Yes, pose. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, when you like, might a thought of what nerd rage is is like, you rearrange my comic books. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, no, no. [SPEAKER_18]: What's your damn name? [SPEAKER_18]: You cast Robert Pattinson as Batman Ryan. [SPEAKER_18]: Well, exactly. [SPEAKER_18]: On shot first is ultimate nerd race.

1:00:13 [SPEAKER_18]: These are all things that are not are the antithesis of life and death. [SPEAKER_18]: Well, to you. [SPEAKER_18]: No tape or it is life and death, but they're wrong. [SPEAKER_18]: Sure in your opinion. [SPEAKER_18]: Whether or not, no, this is not a matter of opinion. [SPEAKER_18]: I feel like I'm having a nerd race.

1:00:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh boy. [SPEAKER_18]: But I think it's a great way. [SPEAKER_18]: When you're going in space, if they take the pilot away, who's practiced, this is actually a life and death decision. [SPEAKER_18]: That's fair. [SPEAKER_18]: I'm really upset about this. [SPEAKER_20]: Clearly. [SPEAKER_20]: Well, I'll put the convoy's back.

1:00:45 [SPEAKER_17]: It's also though it's also a great scene like you said, John, because it shows. [SPEAKER_17]: Yes, he has to go, but what's the cost? [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: I need my crew, but I guess I don't really need them if I'm going to look because they're like, if you want to stick with madingly, you're not on thirteenth.

1:01:00 [SPEAKER_20]: Right. [SPEAKER_20]: We'll push in your back another mission or two. [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_20]: And it's like, oh, I'll lose my chance to walk on the moon. [SPEAKER_20]: Right. [SPEAKER_20]: there's see and there's that that's why I like this film there's a little bit of under the current absolute of this selfish desire to achieve something and it's all in that look of him looking at Armstrong walking on the moon it's all their hands face and so when it comes out like this he's been sitting on at the whole time yeah I I think it's I think it is such a and I don't think that he is behaving I don't think it's immoral the choice he makes but it is definitely [SPEAKER_18]: selfish to some degree.

1:01:34 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, you know, and we cut to Kevin Bacon and the shower with a girl and the phone rings. [SPEAKER_18]: She's like, don't answer and he's like, no, I have to answer every call because I'm on the back up group. [SPEAKER_18]: It's kind of pitch in a morning as he walks out and he picks up.

1:01:49 [SPEAKER_18]: Mrs. All played great picks up the phone, listens, listens, screams. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: That's a great moment. [SPEAKER_18]: And what's even better, and again, this is, this is pure filmmaking is then everything is told in the cut. [SPEAKER_18]: You're in this excited, screaming, happy, jack swaggered moment and cut to silence.

1:02:13 [SPEAKER_18]: Gary Sinese, taking it in. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: It's a great, great moment. [SPEAKER_18]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_18]: Apparently, they had a whole dramatic scene written that was, you know, them telling him with lots of, and they just didn't like it. [SPEAKER_18]: And again, it sounds like it was Tom Hanks's idea.

1:02:27 [SPEAKER_18]: Why don't you just play the reaction? [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, subtlety. [SPEAKER_20]: That's smart. [SPEAKER_20]: Well, hi. [SPEAKER_18]: What I love about Gary Sinese's performance and what I love about that character is that it's just the, he is trying really, really hard to be the honorable guy.

1:02:50 [SPEAKER_18]: You know, he's trying definitely. [SPEAKER_18]: And you could see all of that pain, oh, I'd not go into the moon. [SPEAKER_18]: Like everything I've been working harder than anybody else for, I'm not gonna get. [SPEAKER_20]: That's understandable, too. [SPEAKER_20]: A hundred percent medical guys.

1:03:07 [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, I know it's their ass if I get sick up there, but I mean, Jesus. [SPEAKER_18]: And then you see the emotion kind of take him for a minute and he gets angry and then he's like, and then he pulls it back and he's like, Swagger he'll he'll be fine. [SPEAKER_11]: He's strong. [SPEAKER_11]: I'll be a hell of a mission, one for the books.

1:03:26 [SPEAKER_18]: It's trying to do the right thing. [SPEAKER_18]: It's crushing. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And then the moment that's just, and you cut to Tom Hanks and Bill Paxton who are just kind of being there for him. [SPEAKER_18]: And then the moment that is just the worst is he goes, hey, why don't I go talk to D, can them?

1:03:41 [SPEAKER_18]: I'm sure we can work it out. [SPEAKER_18]: This was my call. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, that stinks. [SPEAKER_18]: Well, here it is. [SPEAKER_18]: So that's an interesting statement. [SPEAKER_18]: Why does Tom Hanks, so was it his call? [SPEAKER_18]: Do you define this as this was his call? [SPEAKER_20]: Well, yes, in the way that they're going forward in the mission without him as opposed to going forward in the mission without that whole crew.

1:04:05 [SPEAKER_20]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_20]: That's his call. [SPEAKER_18]: So he could have said, because if they had said to him, there's a chance that Maddenly might have the measles. [SPEAKER_18]: Do you want to take him or not take him? [SPEAKER_18]: He would have said, take him. [SPEAKER_18]: Right. [SPEAKER_18]: He doesn't tell Maddenly that part of it.

1:04:21 [SPEAKER_18]: He says this is my call. [SPEAKER_18]: Like to me, [SPEAKER_18]: This is him. [SPEAKER_18]: This is what it means to be the boss sometime. [SPEAKER_18]: Yes. [SPEAKER_18]: Yep. [SPEAKER_18]: Take the great point. [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Is that because he, because how is Maddie going to feel about him?

1:04:32 [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, that's, you know, like, oh, he could hate him. [SPEAKER_18]: Right. [SPEAKER_18]: He just took, I just took away the most important thing in the world to you. [SPEAKER_18]: He doesn't throw it off. [SPEAKER_18]: He could have easily said it was the fight surgeons call and when I done it.

1:04:43 [SPEAKER_19]: Right. [SPEAKER_18]: It's a really interesting. [SPEAKER_18]: It's rough. [SPEAKER_20]: I think it also allows for later on for Sunnis to be able to work with those guys later because he doesn't blame them. [SPEAKER_20]: Right. [SPEAKER_20]: Blame his time and his head. [SPEAKER_20]: Even though knows the right thing, he blames a level.

1:04:58 [SPEAKER_18]: But his reaction to that moment. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, he doesn't yell at him. [SPEAKER_18]: He gets up. [SPEAKER_18]: And he says, look, I don't have the measles. [SPEAKER_18]: I'm not going to get the measles. [SPEAKER_18]: And he walks out. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: and packs in Fredo runs after him, which apparently Fred and can, they were like best friends throughout the entire astronaut program.

1:05:20 [SPEAKER_18]: No. [SPEAKER_18]: Let's take Kevin's, not Kevin Spacey, Kevin Bacon, and put him in the simulator. [SPEAKER_19]: This seems just rough. [SPEAKER_18]: because they throw something at him. [SPEAKER_18]: And we had seen earlier, again, it's a perfect script construction earlier. [SPEAKER_18]: We saw them throw something he can manually.

1:05:39 [SPEAKER_18]: He handles it. [SPEAKER_18]: Now they throw something which sounds like it was far easier to deal with at Kevin Bacon. [SPEAKER_18]: Does not handle it. [SPEAKER_30]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And the looks from Tom Hanks, Bill Paxton, as we, he does something and they're like, oh, what are you doing?

1:05:52 [SPEAKER_18]: And then it's, hey, we're at three G's. [SPEAKER_18]: Five G's. [SPEAKER_21]: We're coming into Steve. [SPEAKER_21]: I'm gonna stay in this row and see if I can pull this out. [SPEAKER_21]: Or did jeez? [SPEAKER_21]: Nine. [SPEAKER_21]: Ten. [SPEAKER_18]: Or twelve jeez. [SPEAKER_18]: Well jeez, I'm running off.

1:06:15 [SPEAKER_17]: And you could see Kevin Bacon known like, oh, I just killed us. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: But yeah, it's great. [SPEAKER_17]: It shows how hard it is to step into a, it's stepping into a role or replace somebody. [SPEAKER_17]: Nobody, like the new guy, the guys who are there, they don't want the new guy there and the new guy's got to prove himself and it's right.

1:06:29 [SPEAKER_18]: Well, and in this particular case, their debt, like literally they're going in two days, less than two days at this point, our life will be entirely in this guy's hands. [SPEAKER_18]: That is a rough thing to be in. [SPEAKER_20]: But you had to wonder, why? [SPEAKER_20]: Why they were so determined to do it anyway?

1:06:48 [SPEAKER_20]: They could have just made level step down the space program. [SPEAKER_20]: Like the guys in charge, I could have been like, but then you have not go, but then you have, it pushes things back, right? [SPEAKER_18]: But then you have the whole team, how much is the next team been training at all?

1:07:02 [SPEAKER_20]: That's what I'm saying. [SPEAKER_20]: So, I think the space program themselves had a selfish desire to get back up there as quickly as possible. [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, you're saying cancel the whole mission? [SPEAKER_20]: Yes. [SPEAKER_17]: Because logically, that's what you do. [SPEAKER_17]: The backup crew can't go.

1:07:14 [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: Right. [SPEAKER_17]: So you're starting to bring fourteen up. [SPEAKER_17]: Right. [SPEAKER_17]: They did because they need months and months. [SPEAKER_17]: So yeah, if they don't let Jim level go with Jack, you have to scrap the whole thing. [SPEAKER_17]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_18]: Well, this is this where I my guess is you have both experienced a thing like this where in planning for the whatever.

1:07:32 [SPEAKER_18]: You put so much energy into this thing and we got to do this exactly the right way. [SPEAKER_18]: It's going to be exactly. [SPEAKER_18]: And then when you get really close, you have to make a decision on the CD or pants. [SPEAKER_18]: And all that planning shit kind of is out the window because now I'm certainly working on a movie.

1:07:45 [SPEAKER_18]: It's always like that. [SPEAKER_18]: You know, like, oh, I plan to do all this. [SPEAKER_18]: I guess I'll do that. [SPEAKER_20]: Well, that's what you hope. [SPEAKER_20]: The planning does give you more information. [SPEAKER_20]: That decision comes. [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.

1:07:58 [SPEAKER_17]: As a writer, you write something. [SPEAKER_17]: You spend a long time writing a script and then they're shooting it and the actor comes to you right before this. [SPEAKER_17]: I don't want to do this line. [SPEAKER_17]: This doesn't make sense. [SPEAKER_17]: And you're like, uh, what about this?

1:08:09 [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: It worked all out of my ass. [SPEAKER_18]: Well, those are the small ones. [SPEAKER_18]: The bigger ones are like, oh, I just ran out of money, lost the location. [SPEAKER_18]: The actor doesn't show up. [SPEAKER_18]: I have to invent a new scene. [SPEAKER_18]: That's why I'm not a director.

1:08:21 [SPEAKER_20]: You've had actors not show up for scenes. [SPEAKER_18]: I have, I haven't had that one, but I know the tap and all the time. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, with my student films, it happens all the time. [SPEAKER_20]: I choke with mother fucker out. [SPEAKER_18]: But you remember when we did something like it hot?

1:08:37 [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Marilyn Road and shop over and over and over again. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, there's, we've done, or, you know, think about a copaloid apocalypse now. [SPEAKER_20]: Right. [SPEAKER_18]: It's like, oh, a hurricane is destroyed all your stuff. [SPEAKER_18]: Brando shows up fat.

1:08:49 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Like, he's like, we have no ending to the film. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: You know, it's like, these are to the constant sort of marching had a heart attack. [SPEAKER_18]: You know, like, like, what do I do now? [SPEAKER_20]: This is what John Ford never worked with.

1:08:59 [SPEAKER_20]: Brando. [SPEAKER_18]: Sure. [SPEAKER_20]: When that shit. [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_20]: John Wayne shows up on time, son. [SPEAKER_18]: Because John Ford is scary. [SPEAKER_20]: He's right. [SPEAKER_20]: And that's just, I never mind. [SPEAKER_18]: And we he has a little conversation with DEC and and again DEC's like how are we doing yeah and Jim level says the right thing if I if I had a dollar for every time they killed being that thing I would not to work for you [SPEAKER_18]: which I'm sure is true.

1:09:24 [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: But every time that he got killed in that thing was months ago, it wasn't too dead. [SPEAKER_18]: It wasn't with a day before the launch. [SPEAKER_17]: No, but you make a great point. [SPEAKER_17]: It's you keep seeing Tom Hanks doing this Jim level thing of the understated leadership.

1:09:37 [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: This is what I have to say to to madingly. [SPEAKER_17]: This is what I have to say to D. This is what I have to do to get everything going smoothly. [SPEAKER_18]: Well, here's, okay, I don't know how to frame this quite the right way. [SPEAKER_18]: One of the things that happens with the astronauts, and we saw it in the right stuff, and we're certainly seeing it here, is there is the public facing personality, which is, I'm in charge, I'm patriotic, I'm self-sacrificing, I'm extremely competent, I'm calm, [SPEAKER_18]: and that that is hiding whatever the inner stuff is right and they were to me and you see it in this film later when we get to all your on box or you're not on box will see these moments of like I can't let the real emotion what's going on show both because within a leadership situation you don't want all that to show because you got other people who might you might freak out but also you know the general public out there who needs an image of a hero that isn't necessarily the truth yeah

1:10:30 [SPEAKER_18]: How important is that in life to present false odds that are highly respectable knowing that those things are not necessarily the truth? [SPEAKER_17]: Oh man, that's a good point. [SPEAKER_17]: I would say that back in this time, they were very important. [SPEAKER_17]: But now that we live in a day where everybody's on social media, everybody's [SPEAKER_17]: There's your still presenting something that's false, but you're giving people so much access to your life that they can see behind the curtain.

1:10:58 [SPEAKER_17]: So a lot of times it seems pointless to put up a facade because you're giving cameras on you from all angles. [SPEAKER_17]: You can't hide the wards. [SPEAKER_17]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_17]: I just think it's become less important even though people still try to do it. [SPEAKER_18]: I feel like I'm so mixed on this thing because both on a macro level like post [SPEAKER_18]: Kennedy Vietnam, Watergate, Nixon, and going up into today, we have pulled off the veneer of all the people that are supposed to be heroes.

1:11:33 [SPEAKER_18]: And there are people like Mark Marin is when that comes to mind, where him putting out his, this is my real feelings, are great comedians and artists who are going, no, I have all this dark shit in me, and here it is. [SPEAKER_18]: I'm really happy those things exist. [SPEAKER_18]: But I also think having Captain America, [SPEAKER_18]: to look up to, and seeing that Captain America as a possibility for me as a kid, and something to aspire to in terms of this is the right way to behave.

1:12:00 [SPEAKER_18]: This is what he's wrote. [SPEAKER_18]: And I don't mean just Captain America, the Marvel character, but I mean that general idea of the soldier, the president, the leader, the hero, the John Wayne, even though that wasn't true, was something that was valuable. [SPEAKER_18]: And I think we've lost something, [SPEAKER_18]: by not having those fake things to look up to.

1:12:19 [SPEAKER_18]: And to some degree, they're real because Jim level is a real hero. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_18]: Like the ability to take control of his emotions in that moment and in many moments that we're going to see and then do the right thing, that saves lives, the same with everybody else we see.

1:12:32 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: If you take away the models of that behavior, then can we have what happens in this movie happen? [SPEAKER_18]: I guess that's maybe my question. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: I think I don't want to get political, but you could take, say, any two recent presidents and say that one of them put on the face of leadership.

1:12:49 [SPEAKER_17]: Yes. [SPEAKER_17]: And one of them. [SPEAKER_17]: The traditional one, the tradition one and one of them put on the false face of what they wanted people to think or isn't putting on a face or something. [SPEAKER_18]: Different people would probably peg different presidences, the phone one, but that's decide the point.

1:13:04 [SPEAKER_18]: Yes. [SPEAKER_18]: It's the night before the launch. [SPEAKER_18]: and spectators have come up and our astronauts are there and they're of course far away because they can't get sick and they're kind of waving and who shows up Maryland. [SPEAKER_18]: That's a great moment. [SPEAKER_15]: Well hey that looks like Maryland level but he can't be.

1:13:21 [SPEAKER_15]: He's not coming to the launch. [SPEAKER_34]: I heard it was going to be a hell of a show. [SPEAKER_15]: Who told you that? [SPEAKER_34]: Some guy I know. [SPEAKER_18]: And there's great smiles between them, and you just really taught me Hanks and Catherine Quinn that are great. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, you feel the love, but then also that dynamic is still there because he's like, you can't quit me and he doesn't even, I don't think even think he says goodbye.

1:13:41 [SPEAKER_17]: He just turns like you heard what happened with Ken and just turns around and leaves. [SPEAKER_17]: I'm going off now to go into space for a week. [SPEAKER_20]: Because it makes a bigger deal out of it than it becomes an emotional thing for her to carry. [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_20]: If he makes it like it's just a Tuesday, then she doesn't have to carry that weight.

1:14:00 [SPEAKER_17]: There wasn't. [SPEAKER_17]: Don't worry. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, they're what you just heard about that. [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: And I'm done. [SPEAKER_20]: And that's their, you know, relationship. [SPEAKER_18]: Well, you know, it's weird way this is related to the previous question.

1:14:11 [SPEAKER_18]: He is not showing his true feelings to her and expecting her not to show her true feelings to him. [SPEAKER_18]: Right. [SPEAKER_18]: Her job is not to is to pretend she's not afraid. [SPEAKER_18]: That's the point. [SPEAKER_18]: That is her job on the night before he leaves. [SPEAKER_18]: Definitely.

1:14:22 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: That's her job. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, it's funny how often I, I've noticed this, you know, being a parent and all sorts of situations, frequently our job is not to actually reveal our true feelings. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, of course. [SPEAKER_18]: No. [SPEAKER_18]: No. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.

1:14:35 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Because like, this is not the time for that. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_16]: You know, right. [SPEAKER_18]: Now is the, yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: I have a lot of thoughts on that. [SPEAKER_18]: It's April, eleven, nineteen, seventy.

1:14:47 [SPEAKER_18]: My wife's one-year birthday. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, she's one-year-old on this day. [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, wow. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And we see Goethe, I think he's name is. [SPEAKER_18]: Goethe vent. [SPEAKER_18]: Goethe vent is, I guess, the doctor guy, what is he? [SPEAKER_18]: Scientist?

1:15:01 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, that's the rocket scientist. [SPEAKER_17]: No, he's just a dude who helps him in his suit and then he brings him, he's the like, he's his shaperoning. [SPEAKER_17]: He gets him in the suit. [SPEAKER_17]: I don't know his title, but he gets him in the suit and puts him in the gaps.

1:15:12 [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, and he's not a doctor. [SPEAKER_17]: They're getting some little stuff to put on them. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_20]: Massive fluffer. [SPEAKER_18]: And we put the suit on to a party. [SPEAKER_18]: Massive fluffer is gonna be my favorite. [SPEAKER_18]: So I'm going for his haul over there.

1:15:28 [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, when you get the rocket to go up, it really goes up. [SPEAKER_18]: And we talk about, talk about third stage. [SPEAKER_18]: It's a lot of jokes here folks. [SPEAKER_18]: Man, we have lift off on that one. [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, all right. [SPEAKER_18]: All right, dad. [SPEAKER_18]: Maryland is in the shower.

1:15:50 [SPEAKER_18]: She's washing your hands. [SPEAKER_18]: We hear the sound of a ring drop. [SPEAKER_18]: It drops into the drain. [SPEAKER_18]: She can't get it out. [SPEAKER_18]: True story really happened. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: But now that's Safari and in Burbank. [SPEAKER_18]: And you know, we have that music as they get into the suits and the beautiful shots as they stand up in a frame.

1:16:12 [SPEAKER_18]: I think the shot selection in camera movement in this movie is great. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, Ron Howard, I was debating what I would say this, but I guess I'll say it right now. [SPEAKER_18]: I think Ron Howard might be the most underrated director in Hollywood film. [SPEAKER_18]: I think this guy has made a lot of really good films.

1:16:29 [SPEAKER_18]: This probably is my favorite of his films. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And he is a consummate craftsman. [SPEAKER_18]: He's gotten great performances out of people and nobody puts him on any of the lists. [SPEAKER_18]: No. [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_14]: It's a shame. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.

1:16:40 [SPEAKER_18]: And I'm not saying that, I mean, he has he made a movie like Jaws, has he made a movie like The Godfather, Taxi Driver? [SPEAKER_18]: Right. [SPEAKER_18]: No. [SPEAKER_18]: But he's made a lot of really good movies and some movies that nobody cares about. [SPEAKER_18]: That's also true.

1:16:55 [SPEAKER_18]: There's the moment where Bill Paxon has to spit out his gum and the guy has to hold his gum. [SPEAKER_18]: This was the real Fred. [SPEAKER_18]: This was his one objection to the film. [SPEAKER_18]: He's like, I don't chew gum. [SPEAKER_18]: Apparently Kevin Bacon freaked out. [SPEAKER_18]: They put the first time they put that helmet on him.

1:17:13 [SPEAKER_18]: Which doesn't surprise me if you're a little claustrophobic and you're suddenly breathing in that thing Because they were the real suits. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean they were really had on board air and like damn right. [SPEAKER_18]: That's got a freaky. [SPEAKER_18]: I would ask about on the whole suit.

1:17:25 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah The launch sequence the build up to the launch and the launch itself I think is phenomenal filmmaking [SPEAKER_18]: And they go, they're going up into the elevator and the gantry, the looks between the astronauts are just great. [SPEAKER_18]: You see fear and excitement and intensity and like, I've had some moments that were exciting in my life.

1:17:57 [SPEAKER_18]: I cannot imagine. [SPEAKER_18]: There's nothing remotely close to what this would be. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Should there be? [SPEAKER_18]: Fair. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: There's so much tension. [SPEAKER_18]: The shot selection is beautiful. [SPEAKER_18]: All of this stuff is constructed.

1:18:12 [SPEAKER_18]: They worked with digital domain. [SPEAKER_18]: It's a lot of model work. [SPEAKER_18]: It's a lot of compositing. [SPEAKER_18]: It's a lot of multipasses. [SPEAKER_18]: They really were in the real area at Cape Cranaveral or they really did do some of these moves, but all the stuff at the rocket that's all put in post.

1:18:27 [SPEAKER_18]: It looks absolutely amazing. [SPEAKER_18]: And Tom Hague said, the one shot he always wanted to do at his entire life as soon as he became an actor was to be in a space suit and walk across the gantry into a capsule. [SPEAKER_18]: That was like what he wanted to do. [SPEAKER_18]: You know what's cool?

1:18:44 [SPEAKER_18]: Like it was now that we're entering like this world of VR and things. [SPEAKER_18]: We're going to be able to kind of visually do some things like this. [SPEAKER_20]: Almost bought the Oculus yesterday. [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, I ordered it because I tried it out last week and a friend broke almost broke my legs doing it because I don't know if you know this story Steve, but I was I put on the Oculus and it's that game where you walk across the plank that's hanging off the building.

1:19:07 [SPEAKER_20]: Okay. [SPEAKER_20]: And if you have a fear of heights, it's legitimate. [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_20]: Like, you know, and so one of my co-workers thought it'd be funny, because the other guy is like, step to you right. [SPEAKER_20]: And apparently you actually do fall when you step off the plank.

1:19:20 [SPEAKER_20]: Like if you fall and it can't see anything else. [SPEAKER_20]: So you legitimately in the world. [SPEAKER_20]: Well, he thought it'd be funny to push me as I'm stepping to my right to fall. [SPEAKER_20]: So I freaked out because I have a fear of heights. [SPEAKER_20]: And I immediately like jumped [SPEAKER_20]: and put and fell on both my knees and my elbows on the concrete of or cement of our place and so I'm just now today seven days later able to walk without pain but it was like the worst and but it sold the VR thing to me a thousand percent and it's like four hundred to five hundred dollars but in my head I'm like this could be worth it because apparently you can watch TV shows or you go nature stuff like

1:19:58 [SPEAKER_20]: All of it is available to you in a very real in comes in way. [SPEAKER_20]: So you're right. [SPEAKER_20]: And there is a net there is a space thing. [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, sure. [SPEAKER_20]: Space app on it. [SPEAKER_20]: So I'm like, Oh, my God. [SPEAKER_18]: So I got it. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, you.

1:20:09 [SPEAKER_18]: It's great. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And then I broke it and it's getting and it's being sent back to me tomorrow. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, I didn't break it, but it, it, it stopped working. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, just not working. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, so I sent it. [SPEAKER_18]: The tracking went off.

1:20:20 [SPEAKER_18]: And so Oculus is replacing it. [SPEAKER_18]: So it will show up again tomorrow. [SPEAKER_18]: Nice. [SPEAKER_18]: And maybe I will check out this pacing. [SPEAKER_18]: I think there should be some rules about VR. [SPEAKER_18]: OK. [SPEAKER_18]: Like you do not mess with someone. [SPEAKER_05]: Well, of course not.

1:20:30 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to tell you also the thing. [SPEAKER_18]: You know, the thing that happens with young, particularly men of like, it'll be fun to do this thing that'll scare the crap out of someone and possibly hurt them. [SPEAKER_18]: It won't that be awesome. [SPEAKER_18]: Like you're standing on the cliff near the water.

1:20:44 [SPEAKER_18]: And I'll just push them off the cliff into the water. [SPEAKER_18]: Once you get to a certain age, it's like, no! [SPEAKER_18]: Don't do that thing, somebody would just take longer to get out of place, I guess. [SPEAKER_18]: I love to, by the way, the way they have to strap them in, and they actually have to step on their shoulder to push it down.

1:21:00 [SPEAKER_18]: That is a tight seat belt. [SPEAKER_20]: That's why I like that scene and arm again. [SPEAKER_17]: That's the best line ever. [SPEAKER_25]: You know what I'm asking? [SPEAKER_25]: Right. [SPEAKER_25]: I got that excited scared feeling. [SPEAKER_25]: Like, nine new percent excited, two percent scared.

1:21:16 [SPEAKER_25]: Maybe it's more. [SPEAKER_25]: It could be two, it could be ninety-eight percent scared, two percent excited. [SPEAKER_25]: That's what makes it so intense. [SPEAKER_25]: It's so confused. [SPEAKER_25]: I can't really figure it out. [SPEAKER_17]: Either way, either way, it's a rush. [SPEAKER_17]: It's a rush.

1:21:29 [SPEAKER_17]: It's a rush. [SPEAKER_17]: Ed Harris. [SPEAKER_17]: I can't believe we, it takes this long in the movie to get to Ed here, right? [SPEAKER_17]: So good. [SPEAKER_18]: Who came from the right style? [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: He is so good in this movie. [SPEAKER_18]: He, I won't say he steals the film because that's not possible.

1:21:45 [SPEAKER_18]: But every moment he's in, he is amazing and fascinating and carries so much strength. [SPEAKER_18]: He plays Gene Kranzu is one of the many, what's his title? [SPEAKER_18]: The flight director. [SPEAKER_18]: Flight director. [SPEAKER_18]: And the, the way we're introduced to him is a box comes in that's heading towards him because his wife has made something.

1:22:02 [SPEAKER_18]: We hear that there's a tradition and we open it up and we see this vest and he puts on the vest and everyone applause and goes, I guess we can go now. [SPEAKER_18]: This is a real tradition. [SPEAKER_18]: She was really was superstitious and she really did so a new, I don't know if it was a new vest every time, wasn't it?

1:22:18 [SPEAKER_18]: I think it was, yeah. [SPEAKER_20]: See Steve, so wait, so it's superstition. [SPEAKER_20]: Look at them. [SPEAKER_18]: All right, lots of people are superstitious. [SPEAKER_18]: What's it a waste coat? [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Did he really call it that? [SPEAKER_18]: I think so.

1:22:28 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: That's awesome. [SPEAKER_18]: I love the shot of Gunter sealing the hatch. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Through the hatch. [SPEAKER_18]: That's really cool. [SPEAKER_17]: And it's like that was door. [SPEAKER_17]: So many locks and tumblers. [SPEAKER_17]: And you're like, it's a little, it's a little ominous, even though it's not.

1:22:40 [SPEAKER_17]: You're in there. [SPEAKER_18]: Well, you're on top of like, you know, ten thousand pounds of like a few or whatever it is. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And now it's time for a go-no go-for-lunch. [SPEAKER_13]: Paul at thirteen flag controllers. [SPEAKER_13]: Listen up. [SPEAKER_13]: Give me a go-no, go-for-lunch.

1:22:55 [SPEAKER_13]: I love this. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Just going around the room, hearing the goes from each of the department. [SPEAKER_18]: Booster. [SPEAKER_09]: Go. [SPEAKER_09]: Retro. [SPEAKER_09]: Go, final. [SPEAKER_09]: We're going fly, guidance code. [SPEAKER_13]: Surgeon. [SPEAKER_13]: Go fly.

1:23:07 [SPEAKER_13]: E-com. [SPEAKER_13]: We're going fly. [SPEAKER_13]: GMC. [SPEAKER_13]: We're going. [SPEAKER_13]: Tell me you, go control. [SPEAKER_13]: Go fly. [SPEAKER_13]: Procedures. [SPEAKER_13]: Go. [SPEAKER_13]: E-com. [SPEAKER_13]: F-A-O. [SPEAKER_13]: We are going. [SPEAKER_13]: Network. [SPEAKER_13]: Go.

1:23:18 [SPEAKER_13]: Cover. [SPEAKER_28]: Go. [SPEAKER_13]: Capcom. [SPEAKER_13]: We're going fly. [SPEAKER_13]: If launch control is used then we go for launch. [SPEAKER_06]: We are going for launch. [SPEAKER_18]: You can see Ken Mattingly out on this field far away, looking at the rocket ship, standing next to his Corvette.

1:23:35 [SPEAKER_18]: We have inside the capsule, the camera is panning across the faces. [SPEAKER_18]: This is a real tension builder suspension. [SPEAKER_18]: And a lot of this is this is editorial, this is music, this digital domain doing some great special effects. [SPEAKER_18]: And there's this moment, whereas the tension is building, Jim Lovell looks at the abort switch.

1:23:55 [SPEAKER_18]: Why? [SPEAKER_18]: Why did he look at it at this moment? [SPEAKER_18]: It's the last chance. [SPEAKER_18]: I would think so. [SPEAKER_20]: It's the last chance to flick it and then this thing. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And if something goes wrong, I'm what happened?

1:24:06 [SPEAKER_18]: Do you know what happens if they hit the abort? [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, yeah, the capsule pops off the top, and it has a, the Howard Jettison. [SPEAKER_17]: They call it, he does it later in the movie. [SPEAKER_17]: There's a, the tower will set us in the off, and it'll pull the capsule off, and then it's got a parachute, and it supposedly will deliver them to the ground safely.

1:24:25 [SPEAKER_18]: Because it, and maybe we'd have been better off with that switch now, you think about it. [SPEAKER_18]: We're going for launch. [SPEAKER_18]: and there's close-ups of the crew and the ignition sequence starts and they start shaking, we hear Tom Hanks say, the wives are crying, the rocket starts, we hit ignition and that huge explosion happens and apparently I think it was Buzz Aldrin saw the footage and said, wow, where did you find this?

1:24:57 [SPEAKER_18]: You must have found this in a vault somewhere and Ron Howard said, no, no, we made all this. [SPEAKER_18]: And he said, wow, that's really good. [SPEAKER_18]: Can we use it? [SPEAKER_18]: There's a great top-down shot of the rocket coming towards camera because Ron Howard wanted to show shots at first that we were used to seeing and then show shots that were impossible that humans could have seen.

1:25:23 [SPEAKER_18]: And the rocket goes up and we're in the clouds and then we see space appear. [SPEAKER_18]: It's funny. [SPEAKER_18]: I have a note that says, ask Dave what that tower thing that gets shot off is. [SPEAKER_18]: You already answered. [SPEAKER_18]: And then we get to the first stage. [SPEAKER_18]: This is so cool when that first stage drops off and he says get ready for a little bump or something.

1:25:42 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: A little jolt and they fly forward despite being strapped in with someone shoulder on their arms and then that next stage ignites it. [SPEAKER_18]: They get thrust back. [SPEAKER_18]: So cool. [SPEAKER_18]: And then all of a sudden we have five engines and one of them goes out.

1:25:59 [SPEAKER_15]: Here's those historic team. [SPEAKER_15]: We've got a center engine cut off. [SPEAKER_15]: Go on the other floor. [SPEAKER_18]: And there is a quick kind of panic. [SPEAKER_18]: And there are looks between our crew members, which are really the, oh, we're going to die. [SPEAKER_18]: The good shot we're going to die right now.

1:26:12 [SPEAKER_18]: And then they go down and they say, no, no, we're okay. [SPEAKER_18]: You just have to burn them a little longer. [SPEAKER_18]: And you remember what Jim level says at that moment? [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, we just had our one glitch. [SPEAKER_18]: We just set our glitch for the mission. [SPEAKER_18]: Which is in the transcript, he really said that.

1:26:24 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, they said they adhered to the transcripts pretty close really close for all the interactions with NASA. [SPEAKER_20]: I mean, except for the Houston wave of problem, that didn't happen. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, that didn't happen. [SPEAKER_18]: Ken wants back to his car.

1:26:37 [SPEAKER_18]: They do one more burn and Jim level says in gentlemen, that is how we do that. [SPEAKER_18]: And now they start to take their stuff off. [SPEAKER_18]: And this is the first actual vomit comet shot in the movie where they do start selling that real real zeroed gravity. [SPEAKER_17]: I just can't even imagine you get twenty five seconds every time they had to they had to choreograph this into twenty five second bursts to get these shots take after take after take with the cameraman floating and the director floating everybody floating like there's nobody else immune to it you know everybody's wait let's [SPEAKER_18]: It's so insane.

1:27:11 [SPEAKER_18]: So what I think what happened is is they said, you know what, in order for our actors to know what this is like, we're going to take them on the Casey one thirty five to experience zero G. And they went up there and they brought a couple of cameras just to do some test footage and apparently Bill Paxon is the guy who got it, like, just loved it.

1:27:27 [SPEAKER_18]: And we just do influence. [SPEAKER_18]: And they do it a bunch, and it was Steven Spielberg, who said, because he's an executive producer, and he said, you should shoot the movie in there. [SPEAKER_18]: And they go, we can't, we can't do that. [SPEAKER_18]: We just did it to give the actress the experience.

1:27:41 [SPEAKER_18]: He says, no, you should. [SPEAKER_18]: They decide to shoot a certain set of scenes, but they didn't shoot, they're not going to shoot close-ups. [SPEAKER_18]: They're not going to shoot two shots. [SPEAKER_18]: It's only the wide shots, because they only can do it for a twenty-five, forty-six, whatever it is.

1:27:53 [SPEAKER_18]: And everything else is shot on a stage. [SPEAKER_18]: And they do maybe, [SPEAKER_18]: hundred shots or something and they said I totally made up that number so that's right and they go and Ron Howard goes back to universal and says listen I think we should do more and convinces them to do two or three times as much as they've already done wow they ended up doing six hundred of these parabolic flights [SPEAKER_18]: Because every because you do a shit, you know, if you had to do four takes, well, that was four times you had to do it, you know, and and they did six hundred.

1:28:24 [SPEAKER_18]: They have more zero G time than a lot of people than NASA program because no one else. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, and it costs so much to do every one of these. [SPEAKER_17]: And I don't know how you act. [SPEAKER_17]: because you only is like if you're an astronaut first of all you don't have to act and you're just up there waitless but you have you've had time to get used to it as the actors like this is happening just now for under a minute and I have to ignore all the weird sensations in my body and just give a performance well I don't know how you do it well and I think of things like well there's a guy who has to pull focus yeah which means he's the person's like the distance you are from camera to pull football he's in zero good gee so he's experienced his own thing but he has to be on the camera and the cameras moving and the you know it's like

1:29:03 [SPEAKER_18]: You think of how long it takes to set up a shot and to practice it and to get it just right, and you have, right? [SPEAKER_18]: You're going up this, because before you have the zero G moment, you have the going up really massive G's moment, getting ready to do that shot, and then you've got to, I can't imagine.

1:29:19 [SPEAKER_17]: At the bottom of every arc, then you're way at least two G's. [SPEAKER_17]: So you're coming down. [SPEAKER_17]: So you have to here, two, three hundred, four hundred pounds of pressure. [SPEAKER_18]: And these are only the wide shots. [SPEAKER_18]: So when they're in the plane, the lighting is really limited because you only have so much space.

1:29:39 [SPEAKER_18]: So they built the set inside the plane and they put some lighting there. [SPEAKER_18]: And then when they go on set, they have to match what's in the plane. [SPEAKER_18]: So even though they're on a big stage, and then they have to create the sense of zero-g gravity and exactly the space that they were in before to match a shot, they might have shot two months ago, while floating around on a plane.

1:29:58 [SPEAKER_18]: That is, this is advanced. [SPEAKER_17]: I cannot. [SPEAKER_17]: I can't film it. [SPEAKER_17]: Imagine the technicalities in making this. [SPEAKER_17]: It's crazy, yeah. [SPEAKER_09]: My booster, I show this for B-Shut Down. [SPEAKER_27]: TLS on the money. [SPEAKER_27]: Looks good, fly.

1:30:13 [SPEAKER_13]: Roger Fido. [SPEAKER_13]: OK, guys. [SPEAKER_13]: Going on the moon. [SPEAKER_18]: And Fred throws up. [SPEAKER_18]: Which he says he did not throw up. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, yeah, I heard that too. [SPEAKER_18]: And the transcripts and all the records say he did. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: I think Jim and level even talked about.

1:30:33 [SPEAKER_17]: I'm bearing the lead a little bit here. [SPEAKER_17]: But when I was in high school, I wasn't nerd, not like the cool guy that I am now. [SPEAKER_17]: But some of the transformation. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, thanks. [SPEAKER_17]: Some of the nerds got taken to see Jim level speak. [SPEAKER_17]: And so I got to go see him speak.

1:30:49 [SPEAKER_17]: I was sixteen or seventeen and I knew his name. [SPEAKER_17]: I didn't know anything about this story. [SPEAKER_17]: And I was like, and he gets up there and tells this story and I'm like, what the app is going on? [SPEAKER_17]: This is insane. [SPEAKER_17]: And he just kept going through and I'm like, this is the most amazing thing.

1:31:08 [SPEAKER_17]: And he was just like, yeah, this happened. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: You know, it was unbelievable. [SPEAKER_17]: So you knew the story before seeing this film. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: Wow. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: I really knew nothing about it. [SPEAKER_17]: Well, that's, that's what I meant about, you know, one of the things I meant about having the Apollo one thing start things out.

1:31:25 [SPEAKER_17]: Like, our space program was touted. [SPEAKER_17]: We only talked about the victories, you know, right? [SPEAKER_17]: You weren't there. [SPEAKER_17]: We weren't alive when they were happening. [SPEAKER_17]: It's not like they were taught in schools. [SPEAKER_17]: It's just like, hey, we went to the moon.

1:31:36 [SPEAKER_17]: It's like, hey, no, all this shit happened. [SPEAKER_17]: And a lot of it was tough. [SPEAKER_17]: I had no idea what the story wasn't till he told me and I could not believe it. [SPEAKER_17]: It's time for a docking maneuver. [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: Hello. [SPEAKER_18]: This is what we saw Kevin Bacon demonstrates the bottle in the glass at the beginning of our film.

1:31:53 [SPEAKER_18]: This is what we saw Ken Maddingley practice and to successfully. [SPEAKER_18]: And now it's Jack's wagerts time. [SPEAKER_18]: And man, there is a lot of nervousness in the room that he's going to do this thing well. [SPEAKER_18]: It is beautifully constructed with the looks. [SPEAKER_18]: Tom Hanks gives Kevin Bacon a look.

1:32:11 [SPEAKER_18]: He knows he's getting a look. [SPEAKER_18]: Fred is obviously nervous. [SPEAKER_18]: And I love to when it's getting closer. [SPEAKER_18]: He's like, I got it. [SPEAKER_18]: I got it. [SPEAKER_18]: I got it. [SPEAKER_18]: And then it's great into that home. [SPEAKER_17]: What's this great thing like in the right stuff is like you know that this is gonna be fine.

1:32:31 [SPEAKER_17]: Well, you know, like it's so good. [SPEAKER_17]: It building tension for moments that we know are gonna turn out. [SPEAKER_17]: Okay, and it's but like you said, it's a great way to show their relationships. [SPEAKER_17]: It gives you a little bit of comic relief in the scraping noise. [SPEAKER_17]: It's yeah.

1:32:46 [SPEAKER_17]: It's a good moment. [SPEAKER_15]: I gotta get out of this too. [SPEAKER_15]: Houston, we are ready for the beginning of the PTC and I think once we're in that barbecue roll. [SPEAKER_15]: Jack and I will eat. [SPEAKER_15]: Hey, I'm hungry. [SPEAKER_17]: Are you sure? [SPEAKER_16]: I could eat the ass out of a dead line ostracian.

1:33:02 [SPEAKER_17]: Great look by Tom Hacks. [SPEAKER_18]: What I know, the origin of this particular shore. [SPEAKER_18]: So Gary Bucy was visiting. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And Ron and Phil went to Gary Bucy and say, what would be a really country boy thing to say? [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: This is a Gary Bucy line.

1:33:19 [SPEAKER_18]: Of course it is. [SPEAKER_18]: Right. [SPEAKER_18]: It makes so much sense. [SPEAKER_20]: And no country boy has ever said this ever. [SPEAKER_20]: He just assumed this sounds country. [SPEAKER_18]: Again, this is a great cut. [SPEAKER_18]: I cut it the ass out of a dead right now, so it's cut to just a gross after a tobacco shot.

1:33:32 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: There's a lot of smoke and a lot of smoke in this. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And I think the guy putting the ash tray out is Clint Howard. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Sounds good, right? [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And we kind of say, see you tomorrow.

1:33:44 [SPEAKER_18]: And we fade to black. [SPEAKER_18]: It's day three. [SPEAKER_18]: We see the sunrise over the capsule. [SPEAKER_18]: We see Jim level peen into the suction tube. [SPEAKER_18]: They see the, uh, they do the off board dump, uh, what they do. [SPEAKER_18]: And we see a beautiful spray of urine flying out into space.

1:34:02 [SPEAKER_18]: This apparently was one of the actual astronauts favorite parts of the film. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Because this is the question they got asked over and over again. [SPEAKER_18]: Right. [SPEAKER_18]: There it is. [SPEAKER_18]: Here it comes. [SPEAKER_18]: The constellation urine.

1:34:14 [SPEAKER_18]: And now it's time to head for their father's broadcast. [SPEAKER_18]: And one of the daughters doesn't want to go because the Beatles just broke up, which I understand. [SPEAKER_18]: And we see Tom Hanks begin the broadcast. [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, good evening. [SPEAKER_09]: America and welcome aboard Apollo XIII.

1:34:31 [SPEAKER_18]: And we're going to turn on some beautiful music and we start playing spirit in the sky. [SPEAKER_18]: I think this sequence is totally amazing. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: All the zero G stuff is so fun. [SPEAKER_18]: It's kind of the most joyful in the whole movie. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.

1:34:53 [SPEAKER_18]: It is. [SPEAKER_18]: Except for that we find out that the networks are not carrying it. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_20]: Which is once again, it's where the space program was at this time. [SPEAKER_17]: We did it already, what's the big deal we're moving on to? [SPEAKER_17]: If you look at the TV's too, you see one of the shows is I Dream of Jeannie, which is a show about an astronaut.

1:35:12 [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, they'd rather watch the fake show. [SPEAKER_18]: To be fair, that astronaut does have a jeannie. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, that's a good point. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, come on. [SPEAKER_18]: Barbara Eden. [SPEAKER_18]: I'd watch that show. [SPEAKER_18]: Sure. [SPEAKER_18]: I did watch that show a lot.

1:35:23 [SPEAKER_18]: I can't imagine watching that today. [SPEAKER_18]: I can't imagine that would be a fun thing to watch. [SPEAKER_18]: And this is also where we first cut to the old folk's home. [SPEAKER_18]: And we meet Jim's mom, which is Ron Howard's mom. [SPEAKER_18]: She's really good at it. [SPEAKER_18]: And she's a little upset because her son is supposed to be on TV.

1:35:43 [SPEAKER_18]: And the really sad thing is Marilyn kind of going, do they know they're not on the air? [SPEAKER_18]: It's like we're not going to tell him. [SPEAKER_18]: It's so crushing. [SPEAKER_18]: Once again, there's a white lies you're talking about. [SPEAKER_18]: Right? [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, exactly.

1:35:54 [SPEAKER_18]: Putting on a face. [SPEAKER_21]: I'd love to the moment where Jack's Vibert Kevin Bacon says, well, if anyone from the IRS is watching, I forgot to file my ten, forty returns, and then I meant to do it today, but that's no joke. [SPEAKER_24]: They'll jump on him. [SPEAKER_18]: That was an improvised line.

1:36:14 [SPEAKER_15]: So this is the crew of Apollo XIII. [SPEAKER_15]: wishing everyone back on earth. [SPEAKER_15]: Wasn't evening. [SPEAKER_18]: And we see, I guess, Zander Berkeley is sort of the press representative guy. [SPEAKER_18]: He's the one real dick. [SPEAKER_18]: It seems like in the movie. [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, Zander.

1:36:33 [SPEAKER_17]: He does a good job, though, of making it, he's not arch, you know, unbelievable. [SPEAKER_17]: He doesn't seem insidious, but he is, uh, eki. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Well, he just is a little cold. [SPEAKER_18]: And we're done with our broadcast and Houston says when you get a chance, if you could just stir your oxygen tanks.

1:36:50 [SPEAKER_18]: And there's a great shot of Kevin Bacon as he's reaching for that switch. [SPEAKER_18]: And you know that, oh, this is gonna be it. [SPEAKER_18]: And he hits the switch and we go inside the circuits and there's kind of an explosion and suddenly all hell breaks. [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, we've got a problem here.

1:37:11 [SPEAKER_18]: alarms are going off, the master arms go off. [SPEAKER_18]: You know, they kind of go to swagger. [SPEAKER_18]: What'd you do? [SPEAKER_18]: He's like, I just skirt the tanks. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And in Houston, all the monitors are going down. [SPEAKER_18]: And the things are going, hey, wire.

1:37:22 [SPEAKER_18]: And then we have Tom Hanks saying Houston, we have a problem. [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Which was not from the three steps. [SPEAKER_18]: It's something apparently Jim Lovell said in talking to Ron Howard. [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, wow. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_15]: At least. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.

1:37:35 [SPEAKER_18]: The head of the horse's mouth. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: But he did not actually say it at the time. [SPEAKER_15]: There's another master alarm, Houston. [SPEAKER_18]: I'm checking a quote. [SPEAKER_15]: There's so much chaos going on in this moment. [SPEAKER_15]: It's really well filmed.

1:37:46 [SPEAKER_15]: Apparently this is like all the actors, all the Houston control people. [SPEAKER_18]: are just pouring through all the transcripts and coming to Ron Howard and saying, well, what if I say this? [SPEAKER_18]: What if I say this? [SPEAKER_18]: And he's calling all of that and kind of deciding, okay, yes, that's good.

1:38:08 [SPEAKER_18]: That's not. [SPEAKER_18]: Let's put that over here. [SPEAKER_18]: Let's have you say this at this in time. [SPEAKER_18]: You did all out and just building the script as they go based on all these things, the actors and other people are finding within the transcripts. [SPEAKER_17]: That's amazing.

1:38:19 [SPEAKER_17]: And they do such a good job of doing, it's all this technical jargon that nobody knows. [SPEAKER_17]: I don't, I'm not even going to pretend I know, but like, you get from context how bad it is. [SPEAKER_16]: You still have a main plus A underbolt now too. [SPEAKER_16]: It's reading twenty five and a half.

1:38:35 [SPEAKER_16]: Main bus B is reading zip right now. [SPEAKER_17]: But you're like, what? [SPEAKER_17]: But you're like, fuck, I'm scared. [SPEAKER_18]: What is so great, too, is that they've managed to convey that this is really scary and right on the edge of panic, but also that these are all professionals who are really well trained, who are staying remarkably calm and on point of trying to do their jobs while it's happening.

1:38:58 [SPEAKER_13]: He come with your dad to tell you. [SPEAKER_24]: Oh, two tank two not reading at all. [SPEAKER_24]: Tank one is at a seven hundred twenty five PSI and falling fuel sales one and three are wrong. [SPEAKER_24]: Oh, what's going on here? [SPEAKER_18]: Fly, let me get back to you. [SPEAKER_18]: And then this is moment two where Houston starts to go, this can't, we can't have a quadruple failure.

1:39:15 [SPEAKER_18]: This is all, maybe it's instrumentation. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Maybe nothing's happening. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And then we hear Fredo saying, we got a wicked shimmy up here. [SPEAKER_13]: We got a chance for you guys to talk about bangs and shimmy's up there. [SPEAKER_13]: Don't sound like instrumentation to me.

1:39:28 [SPEAKER_18]: I love to and throughout this we have this zero g maneuvering going back and forth past each other and it's like nothing we've ever seen in a movie. [SPEAKER_18]: It's interesting the difference I think this, you know, conversation we have many times between of course you could do all of that zero g stuff by just doing everything in CG.

1:39:45 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, it's not the same. [SPEAKER_16]: Roger and the signal strength is binding. [SPEAKER_15]: We want the story here, Jack. [SPEAKER_15]: We keep floating with gamble lock. [SPEAKER_18]: Everyone's still talking and panicked and all this technical stuff and then everything quiets down.

1:40:02 [SPEAKER_18]: As Tom Hanks turns and looks out the window and all the sound goes into the background and we see the gas. [SPEAKER_18]: We are venting something out into space and the camera pushes in on at first. [SPEAKER_09]: Right now. [SPEAKER_09]: Definitely a gas and some sort. [SPEAKER_15]: It's got to be the oxygen.

1:40:31 [SPEAKER_18]: And then there are a look. [SPEAKER_18]: Suddenly, and this is, again, classic filmmaking rule of an order to have a moment be traumatic. [SPEAKER_18]: Chaos, Chaos, Chaos, Chaos. [SPEAKER_18]: It's slow, silent. [SPEAKER_18]: And then this moment takes on all of this weight. [SPEAKER_18]: And it's kind of like, did you hear me?

1:40:49 [SPEAKER_07]: Roger Odyssey, we copy, you're venting. [SPEAKER_18]: And then snap everybody goes back to work. [SPEAKER_18]: And this is where, man, that hurts. [SPEAKER_18]: So he just cuts through everything. [SPEAKER_13]: Quiet down. [SPEAKER_13]: Quiet down. [SPEAKER_13]: Let's stay cool, people.

1:41:06 [SPEAKER_13]: Procedures, I need another computer up in the RTCC. [SPEAKER_13]: Want everybody to alert your support teams. [SPEAKER_13]: Wake up, anybody you need, get them in here. [SPEAKER_13]: Let's work the problem people. [SPEAKER_13]: Let's not make things worse by guessing. [SPEAKER_18]: And I love the way this line is written.

1:41:22 [SPEAKER_13]: Ed Harris' line is, can we review our status here, shy? [SPEAKER_13]: Let's look at this thing from there. [SPEAKER_13]: a major standpoint of status. [SPEAKER_18]: And I love that line because the repetition of status is actually bad writing in a way. [SPEAKER_18]: And what it is, and I'm sure it's out of the transcripts, is it shows his nervousness because he says this thing in a weird way, but it also shows his control.

1:41:44 [SPEAKER_18]: And because his next line is, what have we got on this spacecraft? [SPEAKER_13]: That's good. [SPEAKER_18]: And the responses, I'll get back to you. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, that's brutal. [SPEAKER_18]: That's brutal. [SPEAKER_18]: We hear from Fred the ship's bleeding to death. [SPEAKER_18]: And then we have the shot of Clinton Howard's glasses, which is a reflection of the computer screen.

1:42:01 [SPEAKER_18]: It's such a good shot. [SPEAKER_18]: Holds back as he wipes them. [SPEAKER_18]: It's an amazing shot. [SPEAKER_18]: And this is the moment where he's really good in this movie. [SPEAKER_18]: And his weird look worked so perfectly for this character. [SPEAKER_18]: And he recommends shutting down the fuel cells or shutting down the valves, the fuel cells.

1:42:19 [SPEAKER_18]: And this is an example of like, maybe Dave, you know what that means. [SPEAKER_18]: I don't know what that means. [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, I know what a fuel cell is. [SPEAKER_18]: I know what a valve is. [SPEAKER_18]: But I have no idea what that means on a space capsule. [SPEAKER_18]: And so now you've said a thing that no one in the audience just means, how is it dramatic?

1:42:33 [SPEAKER_18]: Right. [SPEAKER_18]: Well, it's all the reactions from everybody in the room that makes it dramatic. [SPEAKER_18]: Right. [SPEAKER_18]: And because we, because they all go, oh, shit. [SPEAKER_18]: We the audience all go, oh, shit. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_13]: This is a big, this is a big deal.

1:42:45 [SPEAKER_13]: You're close. [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, you can't open them again. [SPEAKER_13]: You can't land on a moon with one healthy fuel cell. [SPEAKER_24]: Jean, the Odyssey is dying. [SPEAKER_24]: From my chair here, this is the last option. [SPEAKER_18]: And there's a look up to Ed Harris. [SPEAKER_15]: Capcom let's have them close reactant valves and they tell them and then there's the reaction on the spaceship because they know what the problem with that means yeah and I love again the repetition are you saying you want the horse mash closing down the reactants for fuel cells shut down shutting down the fuel cells did I hear you right and they asked if he copies you copy yes Houston we copy

1:43:29 [SPEAKER_18]: We just lost the moon. [SPEAKER_18]: What a moment. [SPEAKER_18]: What a great. [SPEAKER_18]: But to this, that's what we've built to. [SPEAKER_18]: From Tom Hanks' look at the beginning of the movie, to Jack's Wagner's reaction when he finds out he's going to go to them in the capsules and all of it, like, we're going to the moon.

1:43:44 [SPEAKER_18]: And in this moment, we're not going to the moon. [SPEAKER_18]: But it's going to get worse because we shut down the fuel, the fuel, the valves, and the reactors, whatever it is. [SPEAKER_18]: And they look at that auction tank, and they look at the number. [SPEAKER_18]: And it's at two hundred or something, and it sort of seems to stabilize, and then it drops right out to zero.

1:44:05 [SPEAKER_16]: Shit. [SPEAKER_16]: God damn it. [SPEAKER_18]: Houston, uh, O two on one is still falling. [SPEAKER_18]: What thing I was wonder? [SPEAKER_18]: Was Clinton Howard totally wrong? [SPEAKER_18]: What would have happened if they didn't do that? [SPEAKER_17]: I wish I could tell you that I knew enough about it to give you a confidence.

1:44:22 [SPEAKER_17]: I don't know, but I don't even want to pretend I know that much. [SPEAKER_18]: And then there's a long pause and Tom Hanks says, but how long does it take to power up the limb? [SPEAKER_18]: Three hours by the checklist. [SPEAKER_15]: We don't have that much time. [SPEAKER_18]: Tom Hicks' performance is so good and they just start moving.

1:44:41 [SPEAKER_17]: And he's ahead of, he's ahead of mission control on that. [SPEAKER_17]: Right. [SPEAKER_17]: He's a leader. [SPEAKER_17]: He knows what, you know, the decision means that they just made and this is the only choice. [SPEAKER_17]: And, you know, mission control comes and tells him that five seconds, ten seconds, however much later, but he was already on it.

1:44:56 [SPEAKER_15]: We already have Brett O in the land Houston. [SPEAKER_22]: We've got serious time for us to hear a jam. [SPEAKER_22]: You've got to get the guidance program transferred. [SPEAKER_22]: You've got to do it before you're out of power and the command module. [SPEAKER_22]: We're not going to be able to navigate up there.

1:45:09 [SPEAKER_15]: How much time can you give me a number? [SPEAKER_15]: Well, we're looking at less than fifteen minutes of life supporting the Odyssey. [SPEAKER_18]: And now it's how do we transfer, and I don't even know, again, I don't really know what they're trying to do. [SPEAKER_18]: Transfer all the information transfer systems transfer controls down to the lunar module, which it's not set up for, get it all turned on so they can get into it and be safe because the service module or whatever is gonna die.

1:45:33 [SPEAKER_18]: And there is a, and one of the most dramatic moments is Tom Hanks doing math. [SPEAKER_15]: Okay, I used to check me. [SPEAKER_15]: I've completed these Gable Conversions, but [SPEAKER_17]: I need a double check of the arithmetic. [SPEAKER_17]: My nerd brain loves the fact that it's not just Tom Hanks, it's, they go down to Mission Control and everybody is double checking the math.

1:45:53 [SPEAKER_17]: So you have like, fourteen white guys and white shirts and blitzers. [SPEAKER_17]: What slide rules? [SPEAKER_17]: Doing slide rules and stuff and you're tense. [SPEAKER_17]: You're like, what's the answer going to be? [SPEAKER_17]: You don't even know what they're doing. [SPEAKER_17]: You don't even know what number they go up with.

1:46:04 [SPEAKER_17]: It doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_18]: And they all agree on the math. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And you're like, oh, good. [SPEAKER_18]: Thank God. [SPEAKER_18]: It's funny. [SPEAKER_18]: Did you ever learn how to use a slide rule? [SPEAKER_20]: to explain it to me again. [SPEAKER_20]: I mean, I use an abacus in preschool.

1:46:18 [SPEAKER_20]: So it sounds like a no. [SPEAKER_20]: What's a slide rule? [SPEAKER_18]: So a slide rule, it was like the size of a ruler. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, is it the, is it the steel one? [SPEAKER_18]: Could have been steel. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And it had little sliders in it to do. [SPEAKER_18]: And it would do a risk to take.

1:46:31 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, I dad showed me how to use one. [SPEAKER_18]: And of course, we were kids right when calculators happen. [SPEAKER_18]: Right. [SPEAKER_18]: And so they became obsolete, right when we were, but they're kind of an amazing, an advocacy, too. [SPEAKER_18]: But the slide rules like an amazing little piece of engineering.

1:46:44 [SPEAKER_18]: And then they start shutting down. [SPEAKER_18]: They start shutting down everything. [SPEAKER_18]: And we cut to, did Cabot. [SPEAKER_18]: And he's making little, did Cabot for those of you don't know, was a talk show host who did marvelous interviews in the late sixties and early seventies.

1:46:58 [SPEAKER_18]: And he did. [SPEAKER_18]: And he's making little monologue jokes about Jack Swagger, you know, and kind of a girl in every port joke. [SPEAKER_18]: And Ken Maddingley is watching it and he gets frustrated. [SPEAKER_18]: He's got some beers and he goes up and switches off the TV just as the image switches to, you know, special report.

1:47:17 [SPEAKER_17]: I don't know, I couldn't find confirmation of this, but I've heard that Tom Hanks was a super fan of Dick Cavitt, and that's why he was in Forest Gump. [SPEAKER_17]: He claims to have watched scene like all the episodes and know it will tell you like the guest list from certain episodes and stuff.

1:47:35 [SPEAKER_18]: But the person who didn't turn off the TV is Marilyn. [SPEAKER_18]: And she hears it and she is on the phone with NASA screaming on them, telling asking, you know, what's going on on the spaceship? [SPEAKER_18]: Is he losing oxygen? [SPEAKER_18]: Can he even get back? [SPEAKER_32]: No, don't give me that NASA bullshit.

1:47:50 [SPEAKER_32]: I want to know what's happening with my husband. [SPEAKER_18]: And we're back on the spacecraft and we're switching over to the Aquarius and there's some things, I don't know what's not set up yet, but they switched stuff over and suddenly the thing is just out of control. [SPEAKER_15]: Trying to pitch down, but we onto the left.

1:48:07 [SPEAKER_15]: Why can't I know this out? [SPEAKER_15]: So flying with a dead elephant on our back. [SPEAKER_18]: And what's really interesting about this moment where he says it's flying like a dead elephant is this is we here Jim level get pissed off. [SPEAKER_15]: Roger that Houston. [SPEAKER_09]: I don't need to hear the obvious.

1:48:28 [SPEAKER_09]: I got the frappin' eight ball right now. [SPEAKER_22]: And we're on Fox. [SPEAKER_22]: Aquarius is Houston. [SPEAKER_22]: We got you both on box. [SPEAKER_09]: You weren't working. [SPEAKER_09]: You wanted us to go to box, Andy? [SPEAKER_09]: We have a hot mic. [SPEAKER_22]: We're re-members.

1:48:41 [SPEAKER_18]: This is like the one moment where he publicly loses it. [SPEAKER_18]: We're back with Marilyn and she hears that her son is calling her. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, and she goes up in this scene. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh god. [SPEAKER_17]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_18]: She goes in and I love that he's in under the covers.

1:48:55 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, and he's got space sheets and he's got the flashlight. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: When you're a kid, flashlight time under the covers is like that. [SPEAKER_18]: Did you have that? [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, yeah, of course. [SPEAKER_18]: That is like so cool. [SPEAKER_18]: And he's going, she comes in and he goes, why is everyone here?

1:49:08 [SPEAKER_18]: And first, she kind of goes, oh, well, you know, your husband, your father's in space. [SPEAKER_18]: And that's why they're here. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And then she says, something broken, your daddy's spaceship. [SPEAKER_02]: And he's going to have to turn around before he then gets to the moon.

1:49:25 [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, and he says, he says, I said the door. [SPEAKER_18]: It kills me. [SPEAKER_18]: That is it. [SPEAKER_18]: And what's funny. [SPEAKER_18]: So here's what's amazing about this. [SPEAKER_18]: It's similar to something we talked about on Braveheart. [SPEAKER_18]: They added the Apollo one sequence at the beginning because they wanted to show danger.

1:49:42 [SPEAKER_18]: That this is a dangerous thing and things go wrong. [SPEAKER_18]: They had no plan of this scene with the kid when they added that seriously. [SPEAKER_18]: They added the early scene with the kid because of the conversation that Ron Howard had with the Space Shuttle guy. [SPEAKER_18]: And it's only those two things combined that created this third scene.

1:49:59 [SPEAKER_18]: This wasn't in the original plan. [SPEAKER_18]: Wow. [SPEAKER_18]: It came out of stuff that happened as they're making the film. [SPEAKER_18]: Serendipity. [SPEAKER_18]: And that moment of, was it the door? [SPEAKER_18]: It's so crushing. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, painful. [SPEAKER_18]: And scary.

1:50:11 [SPEAKER_18]: And that kid, I don't know who he is, but his performance is. [SPEAKER_18]: He's the kid from pet cemetery. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Okay. [SPEAKER_22]: Jack, we close out your position now. [SPEAKER_07]: Do we know for sure that we can power this thing back up?

1:50:25 [SPEAKER_22]: Copy that jack. [SPEAKER_22]: We'll just have to deal with that later. [SPEAKER_18]: And the looks? [SPEAKER_18]: Because they know what that means. [SPEAKER_18]: That means that when we shut this thing down, [SPEAKER_18]: There's a chance we'll never be able to turn it back on and we're going to freeze the death in space.

1:50:42 [SPEAKER_18]: That is what this is about. [SPEAKER_20]: I saw him again. [SPEAKER_20]: If you use a big wrench, you can get anything to work at equally well-researched films. [SPEAKER_18]: I have sure it is. [SPEAKER_18]: And they finally do go and they do the final shut off and the camera does this pan along all of those dead instruments.

1:51:01 [SPEAKER_18]: And now we are coming back to Mission Control where Ed Harris, Gene Grants is going to lead the first meeting on what exactly to do. [SPEAKER_18]: And the first thing that happens is he walks up to it overhead projector, and that doesn't work. [SPEAKER_18]: And I think this is like what we've been talking about before.

1:51:17 [SPEAKER_18]: And if you're talking about it, one is is that we live in an imperfect world and stuff breaks all the time. [SPEAKER_18]: And the other thing is that in our world here, if my battery died on our recorder or something happened, we would just replace it, get a new one. [SPEAKER_18]: That can't happen on Apollo XIII.

1:51:34 [SPEAKER_18]: Things break up there, and they're broke. [SPEAKER_13]: I want you all to forget the flight plan. [SPEAKER_13]: From this moment on, we are improvising a new mission. [SPEAKER_18]: And our first question is whether or not we want to can abort the mission and have a direct return or whether we need to continue around the moon and use the gravity to slingshot back towards Earth.

1:51:53 [SPEAKER_18]: And pretty quickly, we decide that they don't have the engines for the direct return. [SPEAKER_01]: No, the lamb will not support three guys for that amount of time. [SPEAKER_01]: And barely holds. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we have got to do a direct abort. [SPEAKER_01]: We're doing about face.

1:52:06 [SPEAKER_01]: We bring the guys right home right now. [SPEAKER_27]: Get them back soon. [SPEAKER_27]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_27]: We don't even know if the Odyssey's engines have been working. [SPEAKER_27]: And there's been serious damage to this spacecraft. [SPEAKER_27]: They blow up and they die. [SPEAKER_01]: That is not the only thing we can do.

1:52:16 [SPEAKER_18]: And then the guy from Grumman, who is the guy that built the lamb, is going, we can't make any guarantees. [SPEAKER_06]: We designed the lamb to land on the moon. [SPEAKER_06]: Not far the engine out there for course, Greg. [SPEAKER_06]: Well, [SPEAKER_13]: Unfortunately, we're not landing on the moon, aren't we?

1:52:32 [SPEAKER_13]: I don't care what anything was designed to do. [SPEAKER_13]: Care about what it can do. [SPEAKER_18]: It's later on. [SPEAKER_18]: And one of the things they're starting to talk about is sleep. [SPEAKER_18]: We got to get those astronauts to go to sleep. [SPEAKER_18]: We're back with Ed Harris and Mission Control and President Nixon wants a quote.

1:52:47 [SPEAKER_18]: In fact, what he really wants is odds. [SPEAKER_18]: Gina, I've got to give him odds. [SPEAKER_18]: I'd do one against three to one. [SPEAKER_18]: I don't think they're that good. [SPEAKER_18]: We are not losing those men. [SPEAKER_18]: It's not five to one four. [SPEAKER_18]: Like they're a deep trouble.

1:52:58 [SPEAKER_18]: Look, tell him three to one. [SPEAKER_18]: We're heading off to the dark side of the moon, which means we're going to lose acquisition of signal. [SPEAKER_18]: And we have the guys looking out the window at the moon, seeing it in the way that none of us and most humans in the world have never seen it.

1:53:13 [SPEAKER_18]: And the first thing they see is Mount Maryland. [SPEAKER_18]: They asked Jim to take a look. [SPEAKER_18]: Does he go take a look? [SPEAKER_18]: No. [SPEAKER_18]: Why not? [SPEAKER_18]: He's seen it. [SPEAKER_18]: If you saw a beautiful mountain and had a chance, I'd been to meet you semi-fifteen times.

1:53:27 [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, I don't not look at half-done because I've seen it. [SPEAKER_17]: It would break as hard to look, and not to see it from the ground level. [SPEAKER_08]: Where is the system? [SPEAKER_08]: We expect losses signal in approximately ten seconds. [SPEAKER_21]: It's so hard to catch you on the flip side.

1:53:49 [SPEAKER_17]: When I heard Jim level tell this story, this was, he's a good storyteller too. [SPEAKER_17]: Like every, you know, he explains everything and gone wrong, we move into the thing and now we're going around the back. [SPEAKER_17]: And not knowing if they're ever like what's going, what's still happening to their ship if they're going to, if they're going to be able to receive them when they get back around again.

1:54:09 [SPEAKER_17]: I can't imagine that level of silence. [SPEAKER_18]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_18]: You know, the dark side of the moon level of silence. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: That's just in on a ship where I don't know if this radio is going to keep working. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: And then we cut to and this is what's so interesting is we intercut this with quote unquote archival footage of Jack's wager Kevin Bacon being interviewed from before the moonshot.

1:54:35 [SPEAKER_21]: He passed into a lunar sunrise, over a lunar surface, and it must be an awe-inspiring sight. [SPEAKER_21]: I can't wait to see myself. [SPEAKER_18]: And what's interesting that Ron Howard says is most of this, they didn't know where they were gonna put it, is that they decided to do all this stuff because they thought they might use it, but they didn't know where.

1:54:54 [SPEAKER_18]: And it became such a structural, this is where the editors, I don't have the name of the editor in front of me. [SPEAKER_18]: But this is where it's structural, this movie was so much created in post. [SPEAKER_17]: And they do such a good job with that because you get these interviews with all three of them as you go through the movie and it sort of builds, it goes from swagger to haze to the level.

1:55:11 [SPEAKER_17]: And so you get these personal moments that it's not them freaking out in the capsule. [SPEAKER_17]: It's their life before sort of. [SPEAKER_17]: Right. [SPEAKER_17]: And it's, yeah, it's so integral. [SPEAKER_17]: I can't believe they didn't know what they were going to do with that. [SPEAKER_18]: No, it's, it's, and it's so beautifully done.

1:55:23 [SPEAKER_18]: There's great things they do of intercutting gym level and Maryland level as if they're connected, like psychically or spiritually connected even across these huge boundaries of spaces that he kind of switches a light on. [SPEAKER_18]: and we see Maryland City in the chair and there's that NASA squawk box in the foreground which is they're using what's called a split die-opter which means that they're both Maryland and the squawk box are in focus and what she's listening to is nothing yeah because she's waiting yeah and we see that lunar sunrise and they come over what was supposed to be their landing site [SPEAKER_18]: That's just an amazing, you know what's amazing about film is that here's an experience that none of us could ever have and we never will have.

1:56:12 [SPEAKER_18]: We are never going to be orbiting the moon looking down at the place that would have been our landing site but we're never going to land there. [SPEAKER_18]: And yet through the medium of film, we can feel the emotions of this experience that is so far beyond anything in our world, literally in our world.

1:56:29 [SPEAKER_18]: That's what film can do. [SPEAKER_18]: It can make you feel things and understand them in a way that you couldn't possibly from your own perspective. [SPEAKER_17]: that's amazing and it's such a great moment because early on you said you know when they close the fuel cells we lost the moon and you're like oh we're crushed we're hurt with these guys and yeah and it ends up getting so much worse and this is the moment though where Jim level now that we're going over it and he's not he doesn't get his moment is you know he this is the turn we're gone past this so what's my goal now but and before we do that what do we have [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, his daydream about it.

1:57:06 [SPEAKER_17]: He dreams. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: What have seen himself in that moment on the moon? [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: Sorry. [SPEAKER_17]: I skipped it. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: No, it's fine. [SPEAKER_18]: Because, and that's, but then this is the turning point of the film is after he has this daydream where he sees himself on the moon, sees the footprint, sees him bending over and touching the, the, the, the soil or the, the dirt on the moon.

1:57:23 [SPEAKER_18]: What do you call it on the moon? [SPEAKER_18]: It's not Earth. [SPEAKER_18]: It's like a ejector or something like that and then Jim turns to them and I love this is so formal what he says [SPEAKER_18]: I'd like to go. [SPEAKER_18]: I love that. [SPEAKER_18]: I love that. [SPEAKER_18]: Get some dialed back in.

1:57:46 [SPEAKER_18]: And that's the turning point. [SPEAKER_18]: This is the turning point of the movie. [SPEAKER_18]: And it's literally, we've just been at the farthest distance from Earth. [SPEAKER_18]: It is the turning point of the Apollo thirteen mission and it is the turning point of the film as well.

1:57:58 [SPEAKER_13]: So you're telling me you can only give our guys forty five hours. [SPEAKER_13]: That brings them to a bat there. [SPEAKER_13]: Gentlemen, that's not acceptable. [SPEAKER_18]: And then we have this guy, the actor's name I don't know, his character's name is John. [SPEAKER_18]: He is based on a real NASA guy.

1:58:16 [SPEAKER_18]: And he brings up what the real problem is that they none of them have really figured out yet, which is they don't have enough power. [SPEAKER_10]: Power is everything. [SPEAKER_10]: Without it, they don't talk to us. [SPEAKER_10]: They don't correct their trajectory. [SPEAKER_10]: They don't turn the heat shield around.

1:58:30 [SPEAKER_10]: We gotta turn everything off. [SPEAKER_18]: Now. [SPEAKER_18]: And that right now they're using sixty amps, which is how much the breaker on my circuit board to run my electricity is sixty amps. [SPEAKER_18]: And they have to bring it down to twelve amps, which they describe as enough to run a vacuum cleaner.

1:58:50 [SPEAKER_10]: The more time we talk down here, the more juice they waste up there, I've been looking at the data for the past hour. [SPEAKER_18]: That's the deal. [SPEAKER_10]: That's the deal. [SPEAKER_18]: And there's a long pause, and it Harris goes. [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, John. [SPEAKER_13]: And then we finish it down.

1:59:02 [SPEAKER_18]: We'll power down the limb. [SPEAKER_18]: And that means that we're going to have a frozen command module and we're going to have to fire it up with cold batteries. [SPEAKER_18]: And everyone's like, let's never, never been done. [SPEAKER_18]: Never, never even been simulated. [SPEAKER_18]: Which is so amazing because we hear they've simulated everything they could think of.

1:59:17 [SPEAKER_18]: They didn't simulate this. [SPEAKER_18]: And then we get the speech from at Harris. [SPEAKER_18]: I want people and our simulators working re-entry scenarios. [SPEAKER_13]: I want you guys to find every engineer who designed every switch, every circuit, every transistor, and every light bulb that's up there.

1:59:29 [SPEAKER_13]: Then I want you to talk to the guy in the assembly line who actually built the thing. [SPEAKER_13]: Find out how to squeeze every amp out of both of these goddamn machines. [SPEAKER_13]: I want this mark all the way back to Earth with time to spare. [SPEAKER_13]: We never lost an American in space where sure it's hell not going to lose one on my watch.

1:59:47 [SPEAKER_13]: Failure is not an option. [SPEAKER_17]: He really said shit like that. [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_17]: That's the name of his book. [SPEAKER_17]: He wrote a book. [SPEAKER_18]: Failure is not an option. [SPEAKER_18]: In my experience failure is an option. [SPEAKER_18]: Well, it's not an option.

1:59:59 [SPEAKER_18]: It's more of a destination. [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_18]: Right. [SPEAKER_18]: It's an inevitable. [SPEAKER_18]: It seems like, but not on his watch. [SPEAKER_18]: Um, they find him mad anyway. [SPEAKER_18]: How much did he had to drink? [SPEAKER_18]: Good question. [SPEAKER_18]: I think he's enough to kill all those measles.

2:00:18 [SPEAKER_18]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_18]: And they tell them what's going on and that they're going to need them on the simulator. [SPEAKER_18]: Um, and now we get him in John and this is like a great little relationship that happens in the film. [SPEAKER_18]: of Ken going into the simulator and John being outside and them trying to figure out not only how to run the whole system, I guess, under twenty amps, but also there can't be any spikes when anything starts up because it's going to blow the system out, I guess.

2:00:42 [SPEAKER_11]: I need the same cold and dark, give me the exact same conditions you've got in there now and I need the present status of every instrument. [SPEAKER_11]: You've got, I need a flashlight. [SPEAKER_11]: That's not what they have up there and don't give me anything they don't have on board.