Josh Szeps on Israel, Antisemitism and the War Over Moral Clarity

Josh Szeps joins us for a wide-ranging conversation about Israel, Gaza, antisemitism, Zionism, Jewish identity and why the debate has become so exhausting and distorted.

We talk about whether Jews outside Israel are being forced to answer for the Israeli government, what anti-Zionism really means, the failure of the peace process, Netanyahu, Gaza, drones, Palestinian leadership, the pressure to “circle the wagons,” and whether it is possible to criticize Israel without giving ammunition to people who hate Jews.

Josh Szeps hosts one of the biggest shows on Substack, Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps, where he has funny, bullshit-free conversations with people like Sam Harris, Jimmy Carr, Bari Weiss and Mark Normand about subjects that the mainstream media fails to discuss honestly. He has been on Joe Rogan's show seven times, he was a founding host of HuffPost Live in New York, then went on to get cancelled from his own top-rating talk radio show on Australia’s national public broadcaster. He's a columnist for Australia's most prestigious newspaper, the Australian Financial Review, and a major media figure Down Under.

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro and Josh Szeps joins the show

03:06 Josh’s background, Australia, and his previous Israel controversy

07:12 Jokes, parenting, kids, porn and the internet

12:59 Antisemitism, Australia, and the post-October 7th climate

15:36 Anti-Zionism, Israel’s legitimacy, and the meaning of a Jewish state

22:07 Palestinian refugees, Arab countries, and the right of return

27:26 Gaza, drones, October 7th, and whether Israel had another choice

30:29 Josh’s controversial “abandon Israel” column

38:16 Circling the wagons, Jewish identity, and criticizing Israel from the diaspora

47:58 Anti-Israel backlash, boycotts, and Jews being blamed for Israel

54:16 Kristof, the dog allegations, and the difficulty of discussing ugly claims honestly

01:08:35 The flotilla, Israeli detention, and skepticism toward activist claims

01:11:23 War crimes, double standards, history, and modern technology

01:13:05 Uyghurs, Kurds, ethno-states, and why Israel gets singled out

01:17:00 Media collapse, audience capture, and trying to have sane conversations

01:18:29 Finkelstein, complexity, and final thoughts