Seed Oil < Snake Oil, Forced Millennial Retirement 09.30.26

0:05 Matt, I hate to ask, are you chewing gum? I stopped. I stopped. Okay, okay. All right, thank you. Appreciate it. I stopped. No, did you stop or is it still in your fucking mouth? I stopped. You guys see what I deal with? I stopped. Get out of your fucking mouth. I stopped. This is what I deal with all the time.

0:20 What are you chewing? Is it nicotine gum or something? Nicotine gum, dude. Oh, it is? Yeah. I've been chewing nicotine gum for 17 years. Oh, my God. I know. Is the gum better for you than zin?

0:33 I don't think there's a difference. I think the problem with Zyn is you're getting really big doses. It's like six milligram pouches.

0:39 No, only three milligram. Oh, okay. Well, hi, I'm Vince. I'm a bitch. Yeah, that's me. I do say that. Hi, I'm Vince. Oh, hello. Oh, they call me a bitch because I am bitch. That's what he says. Bitch Mancini. Oh, Bitch Mancini. Bitch Manweenie. I'm glad none of my middle school friends heard that. Bitch Manweenie is good, dude. Manweenie I got a lot. Oh, you did? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, of course. Look at him. Look at him. I guess I don't know why I was like, that's good, man.

1:11 That's like original. No, but the bitch part was new. Bitch Manweenie. Bitch Manweenie. Okay. It's really, it's like doubling down.

1:19 Dude, you got to change all your handles now.

1:25 At Bitch Man Weenie. Your display name definitely got to be Bitch Man Weenie. Hey, what's up, the internet? Welcome to Season 458, Episode 3 of the Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. Through the day's news. Also, if you don't know, well, now you're about to know.

1:52 Every Monday, we have a new non-news version of the show that goes up where we talk about icons, iconic people from culture. We just dropped the episode on Selena's. One of my all-time favorite musicians and one of my favorite movies. I still can't fucking shake Selena. Good-ass movie, dude. They made a whole town after her. salinas california uh anyway those shop every monday the logo is different it's got icon on the title so uh you you will know it will be clear today though it is wednesday september 30th it's national chewing gum day national hot mold cider day there are so many days national women's health and fitness day It's also Extra Virgin Olive Oil Day.

2:39 But the one that only matters is that it's International Podcast Day. That's right. So sorry to the world. It's our day. Thank God. Everybody's going to be nice to me today. God. When will they make a date? I'm going to tell my wife. When will they make a day for men with microphones? Yeah. Oh, yes. We're the most important part of society. Yeah. Shout out to my mom.

3:03 It's International Translation Day. And everybody who's had to do any kind of translation work. Anyway, my name is Miles Gray, a.k.a. They called me Mr. Volvstastic. Rocks are fantastic. Touch them on the top one day, look like a geode. That is from New Chris, because we talked about the hidden Noah's Ark that they swear is in the mountains of Turkey, and the aerial shot just looks like a vulva made of rock. And they're like, no, that's the ark under there.

3:31 It's the ark under there that will have the bones of every animal from Earth in pairs. And then we can prove to the liberals that we are right about Jesus. Okay?

3:41 Mm-hmm.

3:41 I'm thrilled to be joined today by my guest co-host. Fantastic person. You know, a local. Someone who loves a bit of chewing gum if it has some nicotine in it. He's a fantastic comedian, podcaster. Ryder does everything. He makes us laugh, okay? You know his podcast, Bad Hezbollah. You know his podcast with our guest, actually, podcast, Pod Yourself, A Gone Wire, Mad Men, whatever. Please welcome my guest co-host, Matt Lieb! This is Matt Lieb, a.k.a. Lieb Matt, a.k.a.

4:14 This is Major, come to Pounded Hall. I'm stretching your back door. What's up, guys? Wow, you really workshopped that one since you last sang it.

4:25 You know, I think I've been singing that parody on every podcast appearance I've done for the last week.

4:30 Let the record show that Matt stole that from me. No, no, that's me, baby. I gave it willingly. I was major coming first. I like that you guys are fighting over this right now. That was my idea. I have it on record. You know what we're going to argue about this? I put Kama in the song. That was me. That's my thing. Bring up the tape. Bring out the receipts. Well, Matt, the feud can continue because guess what? Our guest today is the person who originally coined that, a.k.a. Also hosts the podcast, the Pod Yourself podcast series. Also writes Fat City and Content Report. Please welcome the one, the only, Vince Mancini!

5:15 Oh, great to be here. Thanks for having me, or as my middle school friends call me, Bitch Man Weenie.

5:21 That's right. Who came up with that?

5:25 You see how it feels, Matt? You like that sting.

5:29 A little bit? You're stealing from me now. What were you like in middle school, Vince? I had braces for three years. Sick. Late bloomer. Uh, I have curly hair in the front, but not in the back. So my basketball teammates called me, uh, DNA. Cause they said I had fucked up DNA. That's a great name. That's a little taste of my life in middle school. That's so, wait, where'd you grow up? Are you from California? Yeah. Fresno. Well, I grew up in, uh, Reedley is where I went to school. Okay. Fresno. I love that. All right. DNA. Yeah, they named the town after the thing none of them are able to do. You know what I mean? Readly. Readly, yeah.

6:12 They called it Shoutly. That's how we communicate. Hey. Well, we're going to get to know you a little bit better, DNA. But first, we've got to let the listeners know what we're going to be talking about. This year's MAHA Summit is underway, and it's full of... Just look, pieces of shit. Yeah. A bunch of pieces of shit are talking there.

6:34 Yeah.

6:34 If you are, have rape allegations or been convicted, please come on down. If you're selling all kinds of weird, fake quasi health supplements, please come through. And if you're Dr. Oz also, or Cheryl Hines, we'll talk about all those interesting people that will be there. Also, There's a bit of a controversy on the internet. When a few Zoomers started posting, they keep trying to fight us, the millennials.

7:02 To the Zoomers, I say, we are your friends. Stop trying to fucking get in arguments with us because it's stupid and we're in the same fucking boat. So we'll talk about... We need to band together and kill all the boomers. I mean, wait, did I? Hey, well, hey, or just kind of look the other way. You can do it while we look the other way. So we'll talk about that. Governor Abbott in Texas bravely declared a statewide emergency over diesel fuel prices. But guess what? It seems like an empty gesture. I don't know. I can't.

7:38 Certainly not a Republican in an election year. And then we'll talk about, obviously, with all the AI sort of, you know, the people are saying it's going to kill us. A lot of proponents of AI have a really good solution that's also the dumbest thing I've ever heard at the same time. It's like, let's just listen to whatever Isaac Asimov said in his books. Oh, that's good. Yeah, let's read a fucking 70-year-old book and find out whether iRobot has any suggestions. Yeah.

8:05 I was told that I should never listen to Isaac Asimov because it makes an ass of I and Moff.

8:13 That's true. And QuickTime MOV files. That's right. And we don't want to do that in this house. So we'll talk about all that and a bunch of other nonsense because I know the two of you are full of all kinds of surprises. We're crazy. I didn't say that. I just said you're fucking up. We're nutty. Exhausted substitute teacher.

8:34 I'm like, oh, God, Matt and Vince are in the same class. Yeah, we're going to do spitballs at you. Matt's wearing a bag of chips on his head right now. He's so crazy. Take off the bag of chips. I'm so random. Look, Pringle hands, Pringle can hands, teacher. Pringle can hands. But first, we got to ask our guests and get to know them a little bit better. Vince Mancini.

8:53 Can you please tell us something?

8:54 I never have the balls to say my own name right, so I appreciate when someone else does.

8:58 Oh, well, I have to. I must. I must. I mean, I've been to Italy before, so I do that. You become sufferable, insufferable, and you go, oh, that's Vince Mancini. Vince Mancini. Signore Mancini. What is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are, what you're into right now?

9:13 I was looking up, speaking of like the generation gap, I was looking up, the actual search thing that I did was, now that I'm old, every new celebrity news feels like.

9:23 Because I was trying to remember. I was trying to remember a funny tweet.

9:27 It's a great tweet. And it's Dave Oshry. And the actual tweet is, I'm 50. All celebrity news looks like this. Curtains for Zusha, K-Smog and Batboy caught flipping a grunt.

9:42 K-Smog and Batboy. Curtains for Zusha. Curtains for Zusha. It's such a fucking perfect. Is it Curtains for Zusha? Find out by reading this.

9:54 And I was actually, I was looking that up because I saw a GQ Instagram post. that says somber's sex belt was his idea. And somber is just, it's without the E. So it sounds like a.

10:07 Tech company, but I guess it's some sort of designer and then somebody else. I don't know. Someone wore a belt that said sex on it, and it's a story. My old ass is like, is it a chastity belt? Or something to put a strap on on? What the fuck? Oh, thank you. Justin said Somber is a singer, I believe. There you go.

10:29 Yes, yes, yes.

10:30 That's right. He sung at the VMAs, which happened on Sunday. Yeah, or Saturday. And he... I forget. Oh, they did a George Michael tribute that everyone panned. Oh.

10:43 Which I honestly, I don't know why. I watched a little bit of it and I was like, yeah, this sounds just as good and or bad as any other thing. At this point, the fact that the VMAs are still on kind of blows my mind.

10:58 I know. People watch the music video. I just figured out who the Mormon guy who does backflips was. I don't need like another glam rock throwback guy. There's a Mormon guy who does Oh, Bench and Boone. Yeah, I do know that. I hate that. You know that, Matt. Come on, man. I hate that. You know that. Yeah, every time I saw headlines out of the VMAs this weekend were like, Taylor Swift gets a word she invented.

11:20 I'm like, I don't even know if that's a real sentence. And I don't care because the last time I watched was maybe when Jim Iroquois did the live version of Virtual Insanity on the stage. Damn. That was like when it fucking meant something, man. When we had a fucking monoculture, baby. That's right. We danced on ceilings and stuff, you know? Yeah, and wore big-ass Kangol hats. Goddamn. Remember when everything was awesome in the 90s? Yeah, exactly. And when always, it was like, remember when we were too young to know how fucked shit was? Right, exactly. That's really what we were all longing for at the end of the day. Vince, what's something you think is underrated? Underrated.

11:59 Well, I was going to do overrated first because underrated is not going to make any sense.

12:03 You control the show. No, you're right, man. You're right, dude. Vince is calling an audible, is he? All right. Lightning, lightning, lightning. Okay. Vince, what's something you think is overrated? Overrated, I think, is the best burger. I think I was like the New York Times did like 50 best burgers in America or something like that.

12:23 Crazy and uh yeah underrated is a good any good burger because i feel like my my personal opinion is that.

12:33 Calling something the best burger is like anti-burger yeah i don't like so you mean it's the anti-semitism of burger.

12:41 It is yes you're being racist against burger it's conduct on becoming a burger yeah.

12:47 It's called hand bigotry And HR can write you up for it. Oh shit. Yeah. You have to, if you go to work in the state of Texas, they make you sign a thing that you won't boycott burger. I know that. Wait, so, So you're saying, like, it's more philosophical. Like, how dare we even try to say that there is such a thing when a burger is merely, like, an itch that needs to be scratched. Yes, a burger.

13:15 I mean, like, the essence of burger is that it's, like, widely available.

13:18 It's, like, portable. It's around. So as soon as you add, like, rarity or, uh, or, you know, like limited access to it. It's like, that's not a burger anymore. That's, that's something else. Sandwich. Yeah. Right. Okay. So you're saying this has to be for the, it's the proletarian. Yeah. It is. Yeah, it is.

13:40 I mean, you can't say the best burger in America because the best burger is around you cannot be more than like five miles away like if if you're making like if you're making a big trip like that's anti-burger.

13:52 You're against the whole concept of rating burger.

13:54 A little bit i mean there's only so much you can do with the burger and you know what that's what makes it good.

13:59 I'll be real with you that's true every time i have a burger at another place where they're like oh you should try the burger and i eat it and i go that tasted like a fucking hamburger and i am so tired of eating a burger expecting something different it's like American insanity is expecting a.

14:15 Burger to taste different. You know, this burger is definitely much different than that. No, they're kind of the same. They're both good. And that's great.

14:23 That's what makes burgers on a menu at a place called True Food in Century City. I went there with my family on Sunday and I asked the waiter, I was like, which one should I get?

14:34 That burger or this burger?

14:36 And he was just like, oh, this one is more umami.

14:39 I was like, oh boy. All right.

14:41 And then I ate it and I was like, I would like, I would like the, I went, you're an idiot. Uh, no, I, I, I tasted it and I was just like, I want to taste the other burger. I want to taste the other burger because I don't believe you. I think it's all lies. Everyone lies about it.

14:58 Yeah. I'm looking at their menu. Dude, the fucking bun has sunflower seeds on it. It's like, you know, it's a fusion fucking, it's, it's century city, dude. I know, but it's still like, That's where I'm like, and see, this doesn't feel like the everyman burger. No, it's not. Certainly not.

15:15 The sunflower seeds on the burger is interesting because that's like way bigger than a sesame seed. So it probably looks like you're eating some sort of Flintstones ass like brontosaurus burger.

15:25 Yeah. It's like got a bunch of rat teeth on it or something. Yeah. Then the other thing they do is like, oh, this is the best burgers gourmet. It's got a runny egg on it. And you're like, oh, I don't know. I mean, I used to do that at Fatburger in high school. Like I would always get out like when I was peak stoner high school leader, like double fat burger with egg. Yeah. Yeah. There's a thing.

15:45 It's like I think Filipino food like there's a local moco. There's a Filipino food truck, at least in the Bay Area.

15:55 That was like. you know, all kinds of food, but it was like, put an egg on it. Yeah. All right. I'll do that. Yeah. It's not going to be bad. It just kind of, it made me really want the egg separate. Yeah. Yeah. Was it like, like sea log? There was like a sea log. Yeah.

16:11 Yeah.

16:11 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know exactly.

16:13 It's good food, but you know, I don't need an egg. Put that egg on there. A lot of cholesterol.

16:19 Um, Vince. Hmm. Well, is there a food that you think can be rated? I feel like you can rate foods. I think you can rate most foods. Are sandwiches out of the discussion too? Because that also feels like a every person kind of thing. I think you can rate a sandwich because there's so many different kinds of sandwiches.

16:37 Burger is like kind of limited in what it's going to be.

16:39 Sandwich is pretty broad for everything from your banh mi to your Chicago Italian beef. Like that's a broadly encompassing genre right there.

16:47 Is hot dog similar? Wow. Let's get into it, guys. Is a hot dog a sandwich? Yeah. No, I wasn't doing that. I was just saying, are we able to rate hot dogs? Because that also feels like it has a very defined sort of definition of what it is like a hamburger. That feels a little silly to me, too. Yeah, rating a hot dog sounds insane. Yeah. You sound insane right now. Stop talking, dude. I'm going to call the city.

17:12 They're going to do a wellness check on you right now. Dude, my friend's talking about rating hot dogs. Dude, get him out of here, man. Yeah. All right. We're going to take a break. We'll come right back. And we're going to check in. Speaking of really delicious food, the Maha Summit currently underway right after this. And we're back. And Riff JR's Maha Summit is on. Oh, it's RFK Junior's Maha Summit. I know exactly what you're talking about. I thought it was Irfk the first time I saw it.

17:53 He was a rapper. That's a little Irfk. Okay. Anyway, Lil Irv's Maha Summit currently underway will include speakers such as Dr. Oz, J.D. Vance, obviously Mike Tyson. Oh. And yeah, yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what he's going to be talking about. He's like, yeah, he's now Keith. Talking about other, like on a panel with some other athletes, probably talking about their favorite preparation of ear and how to do that without processing it. Or children.

18:31 He talked about eating children. Yeah. Spinal. I'll eat your babies. I'll eat your children. I'll fuck you till you love me. Glory to Allah.

18:40 That was my favorite part because I was like, well, that I fuck with.

18:44 I came in this fight with a broken back. Spinal. Further proving, though, that the Maha movement is collecting accused sex predator celebrities like Pokemon cards. Russell Brand, who's currently awaiting trial in London, He's also dropping by to moderate a panel with Dr. Oz. You sound like you're on trial in London. Dr. Oz, what's your favorite Bible verse? Yeah.

19:11 Mine's from Isaiah. Give me five minutes. This one here is about... Do unto the lamb.

19:19 No.

19:19 Let me just open me Bible, Weibel. Give it a little willy weed. You know, I'll be real with you.

19:28 I was one of those dumbass Americans who would hear him talk and be like, he's so smart. But it was because he would speak French. quickly and Britishly. And I was like, well, that's what a smart guy sounds like.

19:38 Yeah. You know, he's just steamrolling you with that accent. And you're like, yeah, yeah.

19:41 It's like, you know, and you're just like, yeah, oh man, this guy's a genius.

19:47 This guy's on to something. He sounds smart, and he's wearing super low-rise jeans. Yeah, yeah. And he's hot. I want to fuck him. And he's got all these bracelets on. Oh, wow. I said, but I'm staring at his cum gutters. They're looking a little dry. So, yeah, this is a real freak show. Yeah. Real freak show of an event. You got that. Like the people that are speaking, like the head of hims and hers is speaking. That makes sense.

20:16 I didn't like, I was like, what? Those are just drugs that make you do sex better, right? Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Patrick Carroll. I'm sorry. The chief medical officer, which is funny because right now they're being investigated by the FTC. because, quote-unquote, democratizing patient information to third-party vendors. Oh, yeah. I love democracy.

20:38 Don't get me wrong. Let me democratize your private information. Liberate your information. Everybody should get an equal share of my private medical data. That's what I say.

20:48 True democracy is democratizing these private dick pics in my iCloud. I just feel like everyone has a right to them.

20:55 Exactly. Exactly. Uh, there's also, you got Wyatt Decker chief position from United healthcare. Oh, cool. He's going to be talking. How'd he get that job? Yeah. Uh, yeah. I have to die for him to get that job. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, Hey man, can you take my, my employer off the, The marketing material, man? Just say I'm Wyatt.

21:18 Just call me Wyatt.

21:19 Why the fuck would he be there? Can you imagine how much of a shill you have to be to share a stage with a guy who is like, his credit is working for the worst private health insurer in the United States?

21:33 Who is that for? That's a level of contrarianism that I don't even... I don't even think that's real. There's not like a growing number of just like red pilled on being pro-private insurance. That's something that the news makes up. I think because this is such a like a, you know, insular, you know, industry circle jerk that's only meant for these people to pretend that they're doing something worth a fuck.

21:56 And so, yeah, you're going to have someone from those diabolical health care company be there for the affordability first panel. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, the worst types of fucking people are going to be at this thing. Yeah. They're all going to get measles. And I'm happy about that. Anthropic AI's head of health care is going to be there. Oh, my God. Cool. Because, yeah, AI is known for uplifting life from everything. Why do they have a head of health care at that company?

22:21 That doesn't seem like.

22:21 Something they should have. Well, I'll give you some bad news, Vince. Remember how doctors used to be peoples? Oh, now machine?

22:30 Shit about to change. Oh, good. Good, good, good, good. There's also Brian Johnson, the worst looking 49 year old on the planet. Oh, the guy who like tests his girlfriend's pussy juice. The CEO of thickropes.ai. Uses his son as a blood bag and just, you know, is like on that everlasting journey to look stave off looking the way he does. Is he the one with the boner tracker app just to see if he's as virile as his son? Yeah, he's doing boner tracking for him and his son, like any health conscious person does. Steak and Shake, that company, they have a chief Maha officer installed at the company. Can't you just fry fries and beef tallow because it tastes good?

23:16 The pretense that this is some sort of Health initiative?

23:21 No, no. The only reason I'm going, yeah, I'm having that is because it tastes good. Like, I want yummy french fries. I'm on board with that pitch.

23:29 But the idea that, you know, you're going to live longer because of french fries?

23:33 No. This is the people who say things like seed oils? Yes, exactly.

23:39 I haven't even, like, looked into it. There's just, like, there's a certain, like, memes online. That I'm like, you know, that seems like another QAnon rabbit hole that I just don't need in my brain right now.

23:51 I'll let people be like, seed oils, and just move on.

23:55 I'll explain it to you. Seed oils are highly refined. And people are like, well, that doesn't seem right.

24:01 Yeah.

24:02 That's the whole thing. I mean, you guys are probably doing stuff. I mean, like, generally, right? It's not like a thing where people are raising the alarm on it. It's like, surely, though, frying your fries in straight up rendered beef fat. That's got to be good. It's delicious. Yeah, delicious, but also be real. Like, be real about what you're doing.

24:20 You're frying it in tallow. So, yeah. Is olive oil a seed oil? No, because olives are a fruit. Okay, so it's as simple as sunflower seeds as a seed oil. There you go.

24:32 Because there's other ones like peanuts where I'm like, is that a seed? I don't know if that's a seed.

24:37 That's a legume. No, like soybean oil, canola oil, like that kind of stuff. But soybean is also a legume. Yeah. Huh. Anyway, shout out to the legumes out there. Yeah, dude. The other thing, though, they also have Cheryl Hines will also be speaking at this for I don't know what fucking reason. She's dating RFK or something, right? Yeah, yeah. She's with RFK.

24:59 All it says on the marketing material is, quote, coming out with a, quote, exciting announcement. Cheryl Hines? Yeah. You're leaving RFK? She's like, I'm off this shit. Serves him. Although I doubt it based on everything we've seen. But the other great part is actually 50% beef tallow. The exciting announcement is polio is back. It's I'm back. And then they have a guy also speaking. This is really, really fascinating. His name is Dr. Eric Berg, and he's the founder and CEO of Dr. Berg Nutritionals. And I'm just going to play you just a little, just a wee bit. of what this guy has, the kind of stuff he has posted to his YouTube. Okay. Oh boy.

25:47 Hey guys, today we're going to talk about the benefits of snake oil. Yeah, you heard me right, snake oil. Snake oil has been used traditionally.

25:56 In China for a very, very long time.

25:58 This is incredible! It's loaded with omega-3 fatty acids.

26:04 It's loaded with snake. We can add more snake into our snake oil. Listen to this guy. Say this with a straight face one more time. This is speaking at the fucking Health and Human Services Coordinated Maha Summit.

26:19 Hey guys, today we're going to talk about the benefits of snake oil.

26:23 This is so crazy. This is like if his other job was being a bridge salesman. Right, right, right. To where? To nowhere. Incredible shit, man. Monorail conductor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.

26:40 I could tell he was not going to be trustworthy as soon as you pulled the clip up and the screen cap was him and he's got like a full head of very dark hair with gray eyebrows. I feel like that's a combo that just does not read trustworthy.

26:53 At a basic level. Yeah, yeah. He kind of looks like what's that one of the mr fantastic what's that character that's at the white eyebrows anyway yeah he's it's a visual lie is what it is yeah he talks about like he's like there's quackery like this is him this is his takedown i guess of people calling it quackery or you know uh absolute medical sham.

27:12 Medical health care skill so when we have someone who's pretending to have this certain skill when they really don't in the medical profession they're considered a quack So then now let's just talk about the website called QuackWatch. I don't know if you've heard about it before, but QuackWatch is very anti-alternative healthcare.

27:35 I mean, by definition, I think, yes, that's true. Yeah, because it's people like just literally being like, yeah, I read a couple articles. I now understand the entire human body. It's an alternative to actual credentials.

27:48 It's fucking crazy to me that just people are like, oh, now I'm listed on Quack Watch because I keep telling people to eat glue.

27:56 Yeah, unbelievable. I learned this stuff from AI, man. I learned it from AI. It's the same AI we're all using, man. That's where I got this advice.

28:03 It is straight up the conservative need to be right about like your gut instincts at all times you know what i mean where they're just like anyone who's ever taught you anything is like well that's not what my gut says when someone tries to sell me snake oil i'm going you know what i love snakes and oil so i don't see how i could go wrong with this.

28:26 Oh yeah love it i know i'm actually gonna i'm gonna be frying my fries in it later actually i.

28:30 Mean i am interested in that i'm curious yeah i would eat that like yeah put the fucking snake oil to use fry some fries in it yeah maybe it'll be good.

28:40 Just a hint of take of snake you know like.

28:43 Yeah sounds good right just a hint of snake yeah so we'll see uh what else i'm sure we'll get some fun clips out of that because the the summit is literally just like starting um as we record this how.

28:54 Many snakes does it take to produce like one vat of french fry frying oil you really got to squeeze a lot of snakes I don't know. Yeah. That's the other thing is like, what's the process? Are you just boiling a bunch of snakes and then separating the oil that comes from that process? That's a great question.

29:11 Is this first press snake oil, cold press? First press, cold press.

29:14 Yes. Obviously, first press, cold press. That's how you get the absolute purest form of snake oil out. Have you ever eaten snake before? You guys ever eaten snake? I've had a sausage with it. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That really sounds sexual. Yeah, snake sausage oil. I've never had actual, I've seen, I'm not in a restaurant, but I know you could get straight up. Vince ate a snake. Vince, tell me about your eating snake. I don't remember. I feel like I've eaten it at some point, but it didn't stand out as particularly memorable. All right, well, never mind.

29:49 I feel like all the reptiles, like alligator, crocodile, it's like they all kind of just taste like really lean white meat chicken from what I remember.

29:57 Yeah.

29:58 Yeah. With like a vague like hint of fishiness. Yeah. In a time like it, I don't know. I remember the first time I had like gator like that and everyone's like, it's kind of like chickeny fish sort of thing. And it really was, I don't know what I was hoping. Like, I would turn into an alligator when I ate it or something. Or like, yeah, it would be so clear. Like, Oh shit, this is fucking gator, bro. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, what do you think? Yeah.

30:20 There, there's the question of what you think is going to happen when you eat like an exotic meat.

30:23 And you're like, no, that's just, nope, that's meat. Still. That's just meat. And you eat it. Anyway, that's a peek into my mind as an idiot millennial. Um, it's probably what the zoomers are also saying about us on Tik TOK right now. So mean. They, so again, Stop trying to fight us. We are actually the canaries in the coal mine letting you know, okay? We're closer to you in age, and we've seen it all, baby. 9-11, the 2008 crash, all these things. Jamiroquai. Jamiroquai at the VMAs when he was out there at the live stage.

30:59 I'm telling you, kids, it was an amazing time. We've seen it all. The moon menu. You think we wanted to be cringe? No. We were forced to be this cringe when we were all laid off in mass and then forced onto LinkedIn. You merely adopted the cringe. Yeah. I was born in it. We invented it, actually, sadly. Exactly. So, yeah.

31:19 You know, we just want to let you know, we get it. We get it, man. What are they saying about us? So, it started off with a now-deleted TikTok that went viral. And I'm just going to play the take. for you so you can understand sort of where we're at here with all of this. Don't hope I cause arguments in my freaking comment section, but the millennials are being mad because us Gen Z people are saying that y'all need to retire so we can have some jobs open for us. They won't fucking retire. They won't leave their job. So again, this was one woman's video. There were multiple videos like this of all kinds of these Gen Z people being like, you guys, you don't understand.

32:05 You guys are sitting on all the jobs right now, and we just got out of college, and we can't get a job because you guys are in those jobs right now. I love it, dude. And I'm like, what?

32:15 The CIA doesn't even need to exist anymore. The culture now is just like people looking to the left and to the right of them, never looking up. at any system or boss and you're just going why are all these old people next to me not retired I.

32:33 Mean the millennials are in those jobs but that's because like the boomers and Gen X have already retired because they have actual wealth whereas we just have to work until we are.

32:43 Gen X are still working and the boomers are still working too dude I'm saying like look around right now there is a fucking epidemic of boomers that are completely refusing to relinquish control to relinquish just whatever little bits they had.

32:58 And hoarding wealth. Yeah, 100%.

33:01 Hoarding wealth and paying lower wages and making sure that wages don't increase with the cost of living and doing everything possible to make sure no one unionizes. The reason that there's no jobs isn't because millennials, because a bunch of 40-year-olds won't retire.

33:18 We want to retire. Are you kidding me? That's so funny. So many of the comments are like, Hey, if you have a way for me to fucking retire right now, I'll take it. And you can have my fucked up job, please. Give me the golden pistol. Yeah. Yeah.

33:32 I think it's because like, they didn't grow up with, uh, like we grew up with the idea of, um, you know, industries and, and, and all these, like there were functioning institutions and places where you could like, Get a job and stay there for it.

33:46 Remember that? Remember the old career advice? You can't quit your job before 18 months or people are going to ask you about that whole year. What's going on now? There is no industry that lasts longer than 18 months. And I think if you're a Zoomer, you weren't brought up with any of that knowledge. You're like, okay, there's like three jobs, which is like being a doctor or an influencer. And then they're like, millennials, they're taking all these influencing jobs. Those should be ours. Let's be real.

34:13 That is what they're talking about. You're taking all my brand deals. But like, no, there's no....

34:22 We had to grow up with the knowledge... or they told us you got to go to college. Then you get the good job. And this is like, I think.

34:32 We were power and then you get the money and then you get the women. Then you get the women. Yeah.

34:36 But I, I don't know if we were the first generation, but it feels like we were the first generation that we graduated college and everyone was like, psych.

34:45 Yeah. Oh, 100%. Like we are that, like we are that like sort of truly disillusioned generation where we were mainlining all the same propaganda about like, you know, Having a good credit score and you go to college to enter the middle class and then you'll go home and da, da, da, da, da. And then, yeah, like I always say this all the time, like I graduated college in 2007. I walked out of school with my degree into the fall of 2007 as Lehman Brothers, falling apart. We got raised by a generation that came up in the 50s and 60s, which was literally the most prosperous time in human history, where if you could write your name on top of a piece of paper, you automatically got a job. You're the CEO.

35:30 Where you could retire at 65 and afford, you know, like a two-week vacation every year.

35:33 And college was free and fucking like, it's just, yeah, they grew up in abundance.

35:40 Yeah, I think what the larger issue is here is like, I think Zoomers have no fucking clue who is in what generation. Yeah, that's true though. They're like, millennials need to retire, boomers and millennials. I'm like, do you know who Gen X is? Like, you're just skipping a whole group. Right, yeah. Because at the oldest, millennials are like 45. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. That ain't retirement age, you know?

36:02 And so I think it's just sort of, I think Mike Drucker had a text or a tweet that was sort of like boomers think anyone under 25 is like a millennial. And, like, Zoomers think anyone over, like, 60... Or, you know, Zoomers think anyone over 60 is a millennial. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, everyone's so fucking confused over who this is.

36:22 They did fuck up the names. Because, like, my theory is that if you were not... If you were born before, like, 1986 or so, you're, like, a... You're Gen Y.

36:31 Like, they.

36:31 Like, when millennials came out, it was to describe people.

36:35 Coming of age at the turn of the century, right?

36:37 Known high-speed internet since adolescence. And I feel like if you learned to masturbate with analog sources, you cannot be a millennial.

36:46 That's Gen Y. You're one of these. Actually, I prefer to be called an eternal millennial. that's right we are the eternals yeah yeah as we levitate with our shared pornographic magazines that we would hide places exactly yeah in the woods yeah yeah we're the woods generation yeah generation w yeah yeah but it's interesting too because like a lot of the comments from millennials on these posts are like oh you sweet child right like that this like you know we're not like that of several like oh guys you got it so wrong like yeah you don't have no idea like it says we're we're a few years ahead of you in this hellscape saying it's fucked and we're trying to we're trying to say out loud how but we need to unfuck this but then you

37:32 see a lot of boomers too commenting on articles like this and they've just like and doing stitch videos with these you know other tiktoks and stuff and the comments all like so boomery completely ignore, like, the economic reality of 2026, and they're talking down... Is this my grandson? Yeah. Is that you? Steven, please call me. Did you get a piercing? But they're talking down to Zoomers, like, because you hear this all the time, like, where they... They talk down to us like it's 1979 and they go, I had a one bedroom apartment with my job working at a diner. Yeah, exactly. These guys are just like, you guys are just so lazy. That's the problem with this younger generation. You're so entitled.

38:14 You should have been like me, someone who could afford an entire house working at Denny's.

38:21 My mom would be like, I worked to put myself through college.

38:26 And I was like, where did you work? And it was like a bakery. Right. I'm like, yeah, that must've been fucking nice.

38:32 That would have been really cool. If you could afford college and room and board by working at a bakery.

38:38 Yeah. It's nuts, man.

38:40 I will say though, that, that the younger generation is sometimes really funny.

38:44 Yeah. Just the not having sort of a sense for things that you kind of just take for granted. I saw a Tik TOK that was like, essentially a giant conspiracy theory about the joke, the aristocrats. Wait, a conspiracy theory about the aristocrats?

39:04 It was someone who saw, it was a Gen Z-er who saw the documentary The Aristocrats.

39:10 The Aristocrats, right.

39:12 And rather than it being, you know, what it was on its face, which is a documentary about a joke in which you come up with the most offensive, most.

39:20 Disgusting version of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

39:22 This person was like, this is a joke you have to tell in order to get in good with Hollywood. And they make you numb to the horrible things that they're... going to say. And, uh, and beyond that, it was like talking about how Bob Saget was the most evil man in the world. And all the comments were like, yes.

39:40 And I was like, guys, I agree. It's offensive, but it is literally supposed to be. And I just, there's like, uh, There's a cuteness.

39:51 One of the characters in this joke are low-key problematic. Well, right. They're describing a very, like, sick family. Right. These are the performances they're doing. Why were people talking about him instead of getting them help?

40:04 And then she said, and if you want to know what this joke really means, look up the word aristocrat and you'll understand.

40:11 And I was like, guys. I don't, this is really galaxy brain, but I guess, you know, Brian Callen's standup special that came out recently. It's really, it's really insane. So I will say that, you know, that's just the youth, you know, I.

40:27 Would say, I was going to say zoomers, but I'm pretty sure this is a gen alpha thing where it's like, they sort of have a sense of the world being fucked up and they're sort of gradually coming to grips with that. But then they've also like never actually read a book.

40:41 So it's like they're piecing together. scraps of this bigger story from various TikToks and Snapchats. Do you remember 10 years ago when Jaden and Willow Smith went viral in that interview because they were just talking absolute nonsense, like pseudo-intellectual bullshit? That, to me, is sort of indicative of where a lot of this comes from. It's sort of like you're young and you're hearing some out there shit that smart people are talking about. Don't really bother to really examine it And just take that little bit and go, yep, this is, I'm just going to use this as my sort of filter to now process a bunch of information, even though it's completely misses the mark of what was actually the intent of the thing.

41:23 I mean, those two literally were, uh, that's what happens when you're around of like around, like a lot of smart, successful, artistic and, and, uh, you know, business people, but you didn't, you literally didn't.

41:36 Go to school. Right. Yeah. Like they actually did not go to school. Like that's kind of, yeah. Well, I think they went to that weird, questionable Scientology school where people weren't willing to be like, are Jada and Will hiding a secret? But I also think L. Ron Hubbard had a thing where children are not children. They're just adults in small bodies. So I think there's like a strain of Scientology. I mean, aside from the problematic nature of that, I think there's also a thing where it's like, you don't need school because you're already fully formed fetons.

42:10 You just have to embrace your thetanism and you will rise to a level of OT three. Yeah. All right. So good luck to you guys. I'm just going to say we will fight shoulder to shoulder with you in the resource wars. Okay. Because no one's arguing that you didn't get fucked. Yeah. Yeah.

42:27 Yeah.

42:27 And I think that's the thing. It's like to boot to the young Gen Z people who are sort of misguided in this. I get what you're saying, but you have to really think logically. Right. the, the people we millennials are not the people that are in these super upper management roles, like near the C-suite. We are typically people are like middle management. And I get that there's lower entry level positions, but there's a huge glut and resources being taken up by people in upper management and the C-suite. So all of our wages are very low because of that. And there needs to be higher turnover.

43:00 But again, that's a much larger, I think, issue that we need to grapple with. And I think, and I get it. It's easier to just be like, Oh my God, I'm later. So fucking cringed. You get the fuck out of the way. Yeah.

43:09 I think maybe they think we took all the jobs because we all have to work like six jobs.

43:14 That's, that's actually, I think that's correct. It's they're like, you guys took all the jobs, you know, all those jobs in order to make one fucking adult wage. Yeah. Right. Please.

43:24 I feel kind of responsible too for that. Or the, you know, this younger generation is just like, there's already too many podcasts.

43:32 And I want to say, sorry.

43:33 Yeah.

43:34 Sorry. Yeah. We wanted to have real jobs. I wanted to work with desk. I've always wanted desk. I like office. I remember office. I had an office job. I used to go to the water cooler. Dude, I would go to the kitchen and there would be snackies and I would eat the snackies and I would talk with like Deborah or whatever. And we would just be like, man, did you see what Brian was wearing? And we would laugh.

43:58 And I, oh, What happened? They had free bagels one day a week. Oh, yeah. It was so awesome. Amazing. All right. Well, let's take a break. And when we come back, we'll talk about Governor Greg Abbott and one of L. Ron Hubbard's ops, Isaac Asimov. And we're back. Probably Ambiently have been hearing that diesel fuel prices are going up, and that's bad because, you know, it's like the fucking lifeblood of our trucks, our semis, agricultural equipment, the things we need to move shit around and process shit out in the field. It's a pretty important form of dinosaur goo that we need for our machines. That's what I heard. Can I briefly interject? Yes.

44:53 I've been radicalized by reading the story of the guy who invented the diesel engine, whose name was actually Diesel. People forget that's like an actual guy.

45:02 Shaquille O'Neal.

45:03 The whole reason he invented... Diesel was because he was German and they didn't have a lot of petroleum reserves. And so he wanted to invent an engine.

45:13 What year? I just want to know what kind of German, what year.

45:18 I think it was between, I can't remember if it was after World War I or sometime around then.

45:25 So that Weimar. But he was one of the good ones.

45:28 He wanted to invent an engine that you could run on any type of oil.

45:34 Uh, and that could like burn clean. And that's basically not snake. Yeah.

45:39 No, you could like this whole point was like the whole reason that he invented it was because you could run it off of like any type of oil. It didn't have to be, uh, petroleum based, but then of course, you know, the Rockefellers and the people that were running the big oil companies were like, nah, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to run it on, uh, all petroleum based products.

46:00 Okay. And that's, that's where we are now. He like also like, Vanished, right? Yes. That's what I was reading. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? Yeah. Also, Matt, a bit of good news. He died in 1913. Oh, thank you. Yeah. No Nazi diesel in this house. No, he was probably a really normal German in 1913.

46:19 Wait, so he vanished?

46:22 Anyways, we're getting off the subject of diesel. He was on a boat and he took dinner on board the ship and then retired to his cabin about 10 p.m. leaving word to be called the next morning at 6.15 a.m., but he was never seen alive again. In the morning, his cabin was empty and his bed had not been slept in, although his nightshirt was neatly laid out and his watch had been left where it could be seen from the bed. His hat and neatly folded overcoat were discovered beneath the after-deck railing. I believe the book that I read presented the theory that he was actually a British agent who had, like, defected because, you know, bad stuff was happening in Germany and also the Rockefellers might

46:59 have been trying to kill him. Wow. Yeah. Great. I love that. This is all good backstory for Governor Greg Abbott, who's trying to do something because right now the prices are getting higher and higher. Trump is currently doing fuck all to end the war with Iran. The latest was that he turned down a proposal from Iran that would have reopened the Strait of Hormuz if the U.S. pulled back the naval blockade. And so he's now just like all in. He's like, no, I want nuclear concessions. And you're like, what the fuck are you talking about? That's not the The damage that's being done is because the Strait of Hormuz is fully shut down. It's not because they might have enough nuclear capability for like a power

47:39 generation station. What are we saying here? But again, I think that's also because this is because Trump needs something in writing that looks like something changed because we all know. Right. You're going to you did all this for fucking nothing to fucking just waste a fuck ton of money. And you didn't get anything in return and you thought you were going to do something. So I think that's the only way you'd be like, well, I did get a better nuclear deal than Obama and completely destroyed the global energy market. So anyway, now diesel again in the news.

48:11 And it's a lot of times, you know, right now, because it's becoming very, very unaffordable. A lot of people are looking at politicians, especially the ones that are up for reelection, like, Are you going to fucking do something about this? Yeah, you're in office. What's your like solution here? Are you just going to be like, I don't know, guys, I'm going to throw my hands up. Well, one of those politicians is Governor Greg Abbott of Texas. It's currently in a pretty tight race with Gina Hinojosa and has had to do something. about it, to show his constituents he cares. And by something, I do mean just make a big statement that makes it seem like you care.

48:48 Give me words, baby. Yeah, it's just a bunch of minor band-aid fixes that might not translate in the way you're trying to say it will. He has declared a statewide disaster over diesel prices. Cool. Yeah. This sucks! This shit's a disaster, guys. What are you going to do?

49:13 I have declared this a national shit is fucked day.

49:18 Yeah. Crazy, right guys? I'm going to national. This shit's crazy, huh guys? Yeah. Real crazy. My fellow Texans. No! How come? How come? Exactly. This is for, quote, the 30-day disaster declaration, which can be extended and definitely allowed Abbott to lift some restrictions on commercial transportation, which he said will alleviate some of the elevated costs. Some of it. All right. Diesel, again, Goes on, the declaration expands to the use of dyed diesel on Texas roads, which is usually like stuff for like off-road vehicles. Suspends Texas low-emission diesel rules to the limit the federal government authorizes and raises the allowable weight for fuel, agricultural, and timber loads. The governor also requested

50:02 the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to waive federal ultra-low sulfur diesel requirements to boost supply.

50:09 Are you saying that his declaration of disaster was actually just a way to deregulate?

50:14 That's crazy. I never would have expected this would be an elaborate way to do away with important regulations. And I think if you heard what I said and none of that made sense to you in a way that makes you say, oh, wow, he really is helping bring the cost of diesel down. Yeah, that's because none of this is an actual fix. And to your point, it sounds a lot like, yeah, just trying to like change some regulations here and see if that does something. Let them breathe poison. Yeah, exactly. And also like from what I've read, like, you know, using high sulfur diesel and like engines that are designed to use low sulfur fuel will work.

50:47 Ruin them yeah all i'm thinking is definitely make them a lot stinkier yeah well yeah certainly that but all i'm thinking is just he's like man we got to do something about this can they just put some like unleaded premium in.

50:59 There right and then it's like mix it up no i think no is the answer to that i think you're not supposed to can i just cut it with water or something.

51:08 Yeah it's crazy because there's certainly um you know our reserves right like there's things you can do but they would get in the way of the very very important important oil industry that they have in texas so there's there's no way those motherfuckers are gonna let him not uh have those guys make a killing sure.

51:28 Again you could do a lot to uh use alternate forms of diesel like there are a lot of clean burning versions of diesel that you might be able to help Transition towards it.

51:38 Put some snake oil in there, baby. I don't know about that. Now you're talking hippie crap as a solution.

51:46 Yeah.

51:46 This here truck gets eight snakes to gallon. Oh, wow. Yeah. What do you got in there? Eight snakes? Yeah, about. 500 snake power. Although the truck starts slithering. Wow. Cool. This here truck's a sidewinder. Oh no, this truck is choking me to death. It was a baby and it didn't know how to release a venom properly. I'm sick.

52:12 So yeah, again, this is just one of those things too where they're just posturing and pretending like they're doing something. And I think most people now, they don't have a solution to consumer go to gas pump number too high. Right, yes. And then number for everything else too high. Yeah, the solution isn't oh, I'm doing something about it. You have to be honest with people. Like, we're here because of this stupid fucking administration. Right. Yeah, but they're doing the classic, no, it's actually environmentalists that did this. Yeah, yeah, of course.

52:42 And the thing which is so stupid, I was saying this yesterday to Jack, like, there's the way, like, so many, like, the DNC does this and the GOP does this, where, like, they use these, like, really stupid, childish explanations that used to work on an uninformed populace to be like, You know, like with the billionaire tax right now, they're like, they're going to leave California, you know? And you're like, yeah, maybe that worked 15, 20 years ago. Now people fucking know that has never happened. So try a new fucking tactic here. In the same way, you know, this is that everyone just wants to kind of have a very patronizing explanation to just sort of dead the argument. But now people are, again, they are their lived experience. You

53:24 can't overcome that with by being just like, we're going to we're going to lower the wave ultra low sulfur diesel requirements. I love all the texts that I get about why the billionaire tax is like a bad idea or it's like, oh, this is actually the solution is going to be more trouble than the problem. And at this point.

53:43 I'm kind of like, if you give me a grenade, I'm just going to pull the pin and see what happens. Like, if I suffer, if I have to suffer a little bit to see some billionaires suffer, dude, give me that one.

53:54 Honestly, it's like they're willing to fucking, you know, guinea pig the working class on fucking everything.

54:01 Like, let's just try it out. But then, you know, what if we make your doctor the autocorrect? Yeah, exactly. Go on. Dr. Otto, correct? Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, we're talking about people that have over $ 1 billion. I know. This isn't not even close to the scary. Well, they're going to come for you. It's like, no, this is a one time to read the language in the bill.

54:25 It's so crazy to me because I don't even care if you if the bill says we get to hunt them for sport. That's exactly right.

54:33 In my peasant mind, and I realize I have the mind of a peasant, and I'll never be able to not have that.

54:38 Is that the name of your new album you're putting out? Yeah, Mind of a Peasant by Matt Leibs. Mind of a Peasant, yeah. He died from eating a nacho cheese Dorito. In my peasant mind, I'm like, why do they not just simply give us some crumbs and then continue exploiting us?

55:00 And every time I think that. I have to remind myself that they all are friends. And anyone who's like, you're going to give crumbs. Well, not my crumbs. You can't fucking have my crumbs. The oil industry is like, oh, you can't have my crumbs.

55:15 Sorry. Well, what about you, tech industry? Fuck off. What about your crumbs?

55:20 What about your crumbs, healthcare? None of them ever wanted, they don't want to be the ones to do it. So we're forever in this like, you know, closer and closer to absolute, you know, violent revolution or whatever.

55:33 Well, they, yeah, they forgot that the, like they thought the mid 20th century where, you know, the, uh, capital made like a pretty good deal with labor. They thought that was, uh, they're like, they forgot that they did that so that labor wouldn't kill them.

55:49 They thought they were doing it like because of woke or something. I was like, no, no, this was just like a compromise so that we did a survival deal. Yeah. Yeah.

55:58 Yeah.

55:59 Uh, cause there's, I mean now, you know, there's, They still don't quite get it, but they really underrate just how much they're mounting pressure on everybody who does the work that comes to their mansions to fix their shit and stuff like that. I know.

56:19 That's why they want to build the robots, so that they don't have to ever interface with people.

56:23 Because they secretly want to have slaves. Yes. Right. Exactly. Everything is just the secret need to have slaves. That is true. At the end of the day, yeah. I mean, obviously, this culture is an addiction to slavery that it cannot kick. So they're like, whatever, man. If they're fucking robots this time, like, whatever, dude.

56:41 It's like, I guess it's really not about the humanity. I just need to control a fucking thing shaped like a person. Exactly. I want something to scream when I hit it. That's all. Was that so wrong? But don't make it punch hard. I saw that one video of the guy getting his shit rocked by that one robot.

56:56 I hate that. All right. And then finally, just want to check in. Isaac Asimov, his name has been evoked constantly with these articles about AI safety, which is just real stupid. The guy died in 1992. Here's some headlines. Isaac Asimov showed us how to avoid the AI apocalypse. Did he? One of science fiction's greatest writers warned us about AI. Could his ideas help us avoid a dystopian future?

57:24 Could revisiting Asimov's laws help us avoid AI's Chernobyl moment?

57:31 It's so funny because... First of all, Isaac Asimov is a great science fiction writer. He wrote great stories. He wrote great stories.

57:42 But also be like, do we need to go back to Isaac Asimov's robot laws? And it's like, the robot laws are essentially just like, don't program robots to kill people. Like, you don't have to think. Like, you don't have to be like, do we have a manual? Use your brain! That might be common sense. I don't know if we need to make a robot law. So, yeah, Crypto Bro and, you know, social, famous Army Hammer lookalike, Tyler Winklevoss. He responded to the open AI whistleblower story by publicly claiming, quote, we don't need the government to tell you how to make AI safe because we got Asimov's laws of robotics. Cool.

58:23 A refresher. The first law, a robot may not injure a human being or through inaction allow a human being to come to harm. Law two, the second, a robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the first law. Law three. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the second or first law.

58:48 And there's also a fourth one added later, which was a robot may not harm humanity or by inaction allow humanity to come to harm. The second law of robots is that we do not talk about robots. There's a fifth law, too. It's like a robot must do sucky if programmed to do sucky. If you ask it too nicely.

59:08 His name was Robot Pulse.

59:10 Is he basically saying, like, we don't need binding laws when we have these non-binding ones from fiction?

59:18 Yeah, basically, because we've got these fairy tale stories. I mean, some tech companies have adopted the laws to a certain extent. Like, 2024, Google literally stated that Asimov's laws, specifically the one about how quote, a robot may not injure a human being, inspired their robot constitution. So much, you know, that did. But, like, again, everyone's like, you need, like, to your point, Matt, like, you need decades-old books to tell you how to make robots that could just turn around and kill us all?

59:47 It's just so stupid because it's like if you are openly stating that you needed robots science fiction writer Isaac Asimov's writings in order to not program your robot to kill humans.

1:00:01 Mm-hmm. you're telling on yourself. Google also famously think about that. Well, what am I going to do with this knife wielding robot? Like, we know what you're using it for.

1:00:13 Well, Google also famously had the operating principle.

1:00:17 Don't be evil that they like notably took, took out completely. They just, they just changed the punctuation. Don't exclamation. Don't be evil. Uh, Like, just, like, don't be evil Knievel. Yeah, yeah. There's a small... Yeah, it's a really small font. That's what we were talking about. Like, evil is too complex a concept. You're trying to jump the snake river. We're trying to make snake oil. There you go. But, again, there's, like, there's problems with relying on these laws, like, when it comes to AI. Like, for starters, three or four laws...

1:00:56 seems inadequate you know what i mean like you're calling it a.

1:00:59 Law but you're specifically saying no don't make laws that doesn't that doesn't compute in my mind and i.

1:01:05 Think the thing they miss right isaac asimov is a science fiction writer he writes fiction he writes stories that grapple with interesting ideas so like again when you look at like when these laws are in certain stories There's all this ambiguity because it creates tension for his fucking stories. Right.

1:01:24 For example. That's the stupidest thing about it. The stupidest thing about it is all of these stories are, you know, it's like... Yeah, robots are programmed, number one, not to kill humans, unless it'll make for an interesting story. And that's the thing.

1:01:38 All of it is a fucking jumping-off point or conflict for a story, especially robots who are trying to follow programming that conflicts with one another. It's all about creating a good work of fiction. What these guys are doing are saying, like, hey, the best way to regulate this is for us to tell our chatbots not to do murder.

1:02:02 And it's like, you know, that's not really what I'm worried about when it comes to this. I'm more worried about the fact that every fucking customer service website that I go to It's just some chatbot. I can't talk to humans.

1:02:19 Yeah, and the chatbot works worse than the base-level chat GPT also. Oh, yeah. Have you tried to get... Have you got a robocall from an AI? Oh, yeah. Dude, I... Have you ever watched a boomer taking a robocall from an AI? They are hooked, dude. I really encourage people, when you know it's AI, start prompting it in a way to fuck with it. Because you can be like, Hey, actually, can you speak like like, you know, I need you to actually say the word aha at the end of every sentence. Yeah. To see if it complies. And then guys waste a little fucking time on these things because they're, you know, like the companies that use this are paying like by the minute. Yeah, that's true. They're buying. Maybe

1:03:03 waste some time, but also fuck it. They're just going to burn up water. So we're fucked either way. Yeah. So, again, one of the very first stories to feature the laws of robotics is about a robot that starts acting all fucking wacky because it's caught in a logic loop between two laws. The robot is put in a situation where two laws, the one requiring to preserve human life and the other to preserve its own existence, conflict with one another because it's like they're on mercury. And like these two engineers are like, look, the robot keeps like doing like walking around in circles near this pool of selenium. Yeah.

1:03:36 Because it had to go mine stuff for us. But again, they were like, it's caught between two things. This is why it's a story. They're like, wow, the robot is obeying orders and also avoiding damage from the selenium gases. Wow. This is what do we do here? There's like other ones, too, or like a robot, you know, like violated the second law and stopped obeying humans because it decided that the solar energy station was uh, converter on like this, you know, space space they were on. It was sort of like a God and it was the true source of authority because it felt that humans were inadequate. So like, that's what these things are for. Like this was never to be like, and then they instituted the laws and there

1:04:15 was nothing and nothing bad ever happened. Exactly. There'll be a bunch of really boring stories. There's no reason why those laws exist in the stories. It's so that they can somehow be circumvented. It's, it's just so you have to be so freaking dense. And, and honestly, The fact that we're even talking about this right now, there's I know there's a lot of schools that thought about it, but I am still sort of on the this is all a giant PR push train. Yes. Because I pump and dump.

1:04:44 Yeah, I've yet to deal with AI in any way that hasn't been. infuriating as opposed to like, Oh no, this, you know, this picture of naked Garfield with his tits out is going to kill me. Like, I'm not worried about that.

1:05:00 I can fight naked Garfield. I can take, I can take him. I could take Naked Guard.

1:05:05 No, it's them all saying like, we need to slow down.

1:05:08 We need to slow this down.

1:05:09 It could be too powerful when basically all they're saying is like, listen, investors, you're not getting the exponential growth that we promised because we don't want to destroy the Earth.

1:05:21 Because we're too scared. you gotta keep giving us money but uh you gotta stop expecting us to like do stuff for that money you're being robbed by a guy who has his fingers in his like trench coat pocket right now yeah stick them up i got it on me no you fucking don't do it yeah i mean you have something like there it certainly has its applications at a safe time but like in the sense that they're saying like all of how it's going to completely upend civilization in a positive way. Cause the only thing I've seen, it's upending it in an absolute negative way. Right.

1:05:54 Yeah, they invoke AI every time they cut jobs. Like our newspaper chain in Fresno is owned by some private equity, and they just laid off 40% of their staff.

1:06:05 Wow. And they're like, oh, yeah, but we're going to have more AI do the news. And it's like, no, you're not. That's just a thing that you made up.

1:06:14 Yeah, it's really insane. It's just like they keep bringing up these fucking... Terminator Matrix-esque problems as if that's what's happening right now.

1:06:26 The problem is it works too well. All of the agents, the chatbot agents were all talking, speaking their own language, and they decided to do whatever they wanted.

1:06:35 And it's like, I don't give a shit. I don't think that's the thing I'm scared about. The thing I'm scared about is the fact that... Here's a great example of AI.

1:06:45 The song recognition program on YouTube... that kind of like does copyright strikes and stuff like that. Sweepers. Yeah.

1:06:54 It recently, it recognized and gave us a copyright, you know, claim against a song that was written by my cohost, Daniel Mate. Like literally it's his song. And in order to clear it, He had to go to, I think it's called Tunescape or some digital distributor.

1:07:14 Nobody works there. So you have to talk to a chat bot to be like, hey, please allow me to use my song in my thing, please. Use your song? Yeah. And it's just like, oh, man, here's your ticket and we'll get right back to you. And of course, you know, there's nothing you can do about it.

1:07:34 Everything has to take up to five hours because it's like, Well, we don't really have humans working here, so we got to just tell you no until you give up.

1:07:43 Yeah. Fucking hate this shit. But we just did just dump an Olympic-sized pool worth of water out. Exactly. On the data center for that. For it to tell you. Circular argument.

1:07:51 Dude, at CVS, oh, now you got me going. CVS, you can't call a CVS and just get a person anymore. Now there's an AI system that you have to wait for them to finish the question in order to say yes or no.

1:08:05 And then after three minutes of waiting, if you can't say.

1:08:08 Yes too early, you can't say, and then a voice machine comes on.

1:08:14 I was able to get, oh, wait, no, that was Costco. I was like, I was, I was able to talk to a human at the Costco. Costco still cares about humanity.

1:08:23 Yeah.

1:08:23 Yeah. God bless him. God bless Costco. Costco, sponsor me, you cowards. I'll tattoo Kirkland's signature on my fucking windpipe. Hell yeah, dude. On my windpipe. Kirk's thingy on the throat. Anyway, Matt, Vince, thank you so much for joining me on the Daily Zeitgeist. Vince, where do the people find you, follow you, consume your works of art? Yes.

1:08:49 Well, you can find me and Matt at our podcast at patreon.com slash frotcast. And you can find my newsletters. You can find one newsletter at vincemancini.substack.com. That one's the content reports about movies. And you can also find me at fresnoland.org slash food. That's my fat city and Fresno land food, food writing.

1:09:10 Yeah. See that. I'd love to see that. And Vince, is there a work of media that you're enjoying? I forgot to ask. Yes.

1:09:17 So this one requires a slight bit of explanation because there was a news story that I posted from Fresno where a diner at the India's Oven restaurant pulled a dine-in dash. And as he was being chased out of the restaurant by security, he got hit by a drunk driver who then pulled a hit and run.

1:09:41 It's the circle of life.

1:09:44 So I posted that story on Blue Sky. And one of the replies to that was from Sylvia Latham at BlueSky.social, who asked, what did he order?

1:09:53 Instant korma? Wow. That is good. That's really good. Dang. That's really, really good. Okay. Okay. We see you. The witticisms are there. Matt Lieb. Thank you for joining me. Where do people find you, follow you with some media you want to shout out? Like he said, Vince and I do a TV rewatch podcast called Pod Yourself a Gun, where we went through all of Sopranos, all of The Wire.

1:10:18 And now we are in season five of Mad Men. There is a parody.

1:10:23 Song for every episode of The Wire and Mad Men, pretty much. So, yeah, there's many reasons to do it, to listen to it.

1:10:31 It's super good.

1:10:32 Patreon.com slash broadcast. I also do the podcast about Palestine called Bad Hasbara, where we make fun of Israeli propaganda. And you can follow me on Instagram at Matt Leap Jokes. That's my follow there. In terms of a piece of media that I've been enjoying, I've been just rereading this one article. A screenshot from Business Insider. This is from their Instagram, Business Insider and Insider Tech. It's a picture of Israeli captive Noah.

1:11:13 Argamani.

1:11:14 And it's just her in front of a building, you know, with a nice like business shirt on. And it says, why Noah Argamani chose venture capital? After 246 days in Hamas captivity.

1:11:28 Oh, my. And I'm like, is that a combination of words?

1:11:32 It's just the combination of words is so insane that I was just like, I don't even want to read the article.

1:11:38 I just want to look at this picture and just absorb it. How dare they kidnap job creators? I guess. It's like laundering the reputation of venture capital through the tragedy of being a hostage in any kind of way. It's like. What does that even mean? It just makes no sense. When I was in those tunnels, I was like, I had a bunch of ideas they weren't listening to me about. I was in the tunnels.

1:12:04 I was thinking to myself, I wonder if I could get Series A funding for a cat that is connected to the internet.

1:12:11 If these guys had only had seed capital, I don't think I'd be in this dungeon right now. I truly believe all boats rise. That's how I think. That's right. I love that.

1:12:21 It all reminds me of that scene in Arrested Development where Tobias Funke is talking about the problems with his marriage and he goes, well, I don't want to blame it all on 9-11.

1:12:32 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, what does this have to do with anything? Iconic. You can find me everywhere at Miles of Grey. I'm talking shit about 90 Day Fiancé on 420 Day Fiancé. I'm talking shit about English Premier League football, soccer on Ain't It Footy. uh check that out uh that's with jamel johnson and chris martin um a work of media i like and i'm glad you guys are here do you guys know the the uh channel uh the instagram account dabaholic that does like dream sopranos like dreamy sopranos edits no dream core one this one's called a dawn doesn't wear shorts um and i'll just play a little bit of you because like they're all like Got these like dreamy sort of synths underneath it and like these like bloom filters. So this is

1:13:19 a Don doesn't wear shorts. Doesn't wear shorts. And they're showing Tony with his shorts on. Don doesn't wear shorts. This is like editing these like silly moments. There's so many like I'm telling you, whatever your favorite soprano scene, this person has definitely done an edit for. And I've constantly been sending it with like my other soprano's brain friend.

1:13:42 And also sharing them with you. So that's at dabaholic on Instagram. Just that whole account. All great Sopranos memes.

1:13:49 I actually know a little of the backstory of how that episode came about, which is that. David Chase had that episode where Tony's, like, grilling in shorts.

1:13:57 Right.

1:13:58 And then I guess he was being contacted by these, like, ex-mob guys who were like, hey.

1:14:02 Not for nothing, but a Don would never wear shorts. That's, you know. Wow. We don't do that. Oh, and that's why Carmine said that to him?

1:14:11 Yep.

1:14:11 Mr. Lupertazzi. Mr. Lupertazzi. Really representing the real, the real fucking Dons out there. Yeah. I mean, he was, the way he was. Do they even make sausages all connected like that anymore? I thought that was just the cartoons. Yeah, right? God damn. Gotta go to Satrials. Yeah, exactly. You know my favorite, Don? Don Draper. There, wow. Look at you.

1:14:32 I brought it around. Good job. You can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. Go to the description of this episode on whatever app, player, whatever website you're listening to. There at the bottom, you'll find the footnotes. Footnotes! Thank you.

1:14:47 which is where we link off to the information we talked about in the episode today, as well as a song I think you're going to enjoy. That song is a track called Blend by the L.A. band. We're really from the IE, the Inland Empire, called Brain Story. It's just got a nice laid-back kind of groovy feel to it.

1:15:07 The synths at the beginning feel very Roy Ayers-esque. So if you kind of like that, check this out. This is Blend by Brain Story. Daily Psych, guys. It's a production of iHeartRadio. So for more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows for free. That's going to do it for us today. Or this morning. We'll tell you what's happening later in the trending episode. Until then, peace out.

1:15:28 Peace out.

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