Business as Usual

0:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Hello everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with Quark Dax and their good friends Tom and Harry. [SPEAKER_03]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine. [SPEAKER_00]: your host for today are my fellow trekkakters arm in shimmerman rubber duck and make kneel and myself Garrett Wong I don't know I'm singing this way for the complete exciting version of this podcast please check out patreon.com for it slash the delta flyers and sign up to become a patron today you won't regret it [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that was a nice little song.

0:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it was a little musical. [SPEAKER_00]: It was a little folk season. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was impromptu and I wanted to do that to entertain the both of you. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, but I think it's the hand gestures, Gary. [SPEAKER_00]: I know you're looking down at the time. [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to miss it.

0:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I didn't do the typical Delta flyer journey to the wormhole, but I could do that next time. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, thank you, Garrett. [SPEAKER_03]: We thank you from our hearts. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Garrett. [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't even make us fart.

1:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Garrett. [SPEAKER_03]: It's fun to say. [SPEAKER_03]: This is gonna be a great podcast day. [SPEAKER_00]: I like that song and at some point if Armin wants to riff on a song later in this podcast episode he can Thank you. [SPEAKER_03]: I want it. [SPEAKER_03]: Armin, I have a question for you.

1:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: All right. [SPEAKER_03]: In our pre-show banter here. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: I just watched the movie. [SPEAKER_03]: Hamlet. [SPEAKER_00]: Always nice. [SPEAKER_03]: For the first time. [SPEAKER_03]: poor me up, poor me up, but I also was thinking about the true history of all of this.

1:44 [SPEAKER_03]: And thinking this is probably very imagined, the details of this story, although the general idea of Hamlet, which is William Shakespeare's young son who died at 10 or 11 years old, 11. [SPEAKER_03]: 11. [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. [SPEAKER_03]: The general facts of that movie are true, but the beautiful poetry that they created in that film really got to me.

2:14 [SPEAKER_04]: it's a beautifully shot movie. [SPEAKER_04]: I must say the book is even more beautiful if you ever get the opportunity read the book. [SPEAKER_04]: It is a gorgeous movie as well well acted. [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't like it. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I was asking.

2:27 [SPEAKER_03]: That's why I wanted to ask. [SPEAKER_04]: Because the ending doesn't make sense. [SPEAKER_04]: The ending really doesn't make sense. [SPEAKER_04]: It makes sense in the book. [SPEAKER_04]: It's the same ending. [SPEAKER_04]: But the way of clarity wrote the book. [SPEAKER_04]: It does make sense.

2:40 [SPEAKER_04]: The way they shot it, [SPEAKER_04]: doesn't make sense. [SPEAKER_04]: And with, you know, it was a beautiful movie and I hope it wins whatever awards it that it just one of our awards. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: But the idea that she goes to the theater and is moved by the performance of Hamlet, [SPEAKER_04]: because she thinks it relates to her son, really doesn't work for me because Hamlet is the story of the loss of a father, not the loss of a son.

3:12 [SPEAKER_04]: If they wanted to do it, and the play was written about the same time, it isn't Hamlet that should move her. [SPEAKER_04]: It's King John, which is the loss of a son, which is written about the same time, would have been worse. [SPEAKER_04]: But the reaching out and everything very theatrical, they're very moving, very nice, impossible.

3:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Armin, would it be correct to say that you liked everything up until the ending? [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, sir. [SPEAKER_04]: But exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: I liked everything up until the ending. [SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was beautiful really to watch and it was moved and they got the plague just right and they got everything right and the distance [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, between husband and wife was just right, um, what I would have liked to see in the movie is not that her being moved by the play, but rather her being her understanding why her husband could not come back in time to, to be with her and their son when he was passing away.

4:14 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I missed in the movie and sort of got in the book and they went in a different direction, which just to me just didn't make sense, but it's still... [SPEAKER_04]: I know too. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know a lot about that time, and so I'm sure your wheels were turning as you watch the film in a way that I know some of that time, but I know...

4:41 [SPEAKER_03]: the general ideas, and to me, the poetry that was brought to trying to tie those general ideas together, I thought, was just beautiful. [SPEAKER_04]: It was indeed. [SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't. [SPEAKER_04]: And the other thing that bothered me, and I don't want to go on too much about this, is that the theater, which is supposed to be at the globe, didn't look anything like the globe.

5:01 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like we're watching and moving about about New York, and all we're seeing is [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it looked smaller, that didn't work for me, but what did work was the nature and the sense of being in the woods and the way people lived, the dirt on their hands, the, the, it's just, some of that detail in the early parts of the film, I felt like, wow, I feel like I'm back there in a small Elizabethan village.

5:37 [SPEAKER_03]: with people just struggling to survive. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I totally agree. [SPEAKER_04]: So there's a lovely moving to the end. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Is this a new release? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: It came out this last in the last few months. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

5:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: This is the first I've already done. [SPEAKER_00]: This is the first. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not pleased. [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone goes see it and have your thoughts about it, but it's worth seeing for sure. [SPEAKER_00]: AJM and ET. [SPEAKER_04]: And just because I know too much, HamNet is named after William Shakespeare's good friend.

6:09 [SPEAKER_04]: HamNet Sadler, who was a good friend and neighbor [SPEAKER_04]: Hamlet and Hamlet is Prince of Denmark based on a play that had been around for a while. [SPEAKER_04]: Hamlet is not the original play. [SPEAKER_04]: There is another Hamlet that perhaps Shakespeare, well, one doesn't know for sure, but it was a previous play that the new Hamlet is based on.

6:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: There may not have been written by Shakespeare probably not, but it could have been. [SPEAKER_00]: Birthdays time. [SPEAKER_00]: Birthdays? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: We have birthdays. [SPEAKER_00]: April 9th is the day that Luke, Pasha was born, happy birthday, Luke.

6:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday, Luke. [SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday, Luke. [SPEAKER_03]: Also on April 14th is Steph Davies birthday, so we wish you a very happy birthday, Steph. [SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday. [SPEAKER_00]: everybody say happy birthday to Nick Russell on April 15th happy birthday Nick happy birthday get those returns in happy birthday Nick and also someone else that needs to get their returns in on April 15th is for Rosa Meta's birthday happy birthday for Rosa Rosa from the bottom of my [SPEAKER_00]: for Oza.

7:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday for Oza. [SPEAKER_00]: Last but not least, we have Nicky T. Three days after Tax Day and three days after Nick and for Oza birthday, happy birthday to Nicky T and North Portland. [SPEAKER_04]: Happy birthday Nicky T. I love Portland. [SPEAKER_04]: Happy birthday Nicky. [SPEAKER_03]: We also want to welcome a new profit, Sean Robbins.

7:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome Sean as a new profit to the Delta Flyers. [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome Sean. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we have to have some horns. [SPEAKER_00]: We're [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome, Sean. [SPEAKER_03]: But when he saw the cost and the lives that would be lost, it made profit feel much less than fine.

8:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent, excellent, excellent. [SPEAKER_03]: That was a nice, it started like a classic liver. [SPEAKER_03]: It's an... On the station called Deep Space Station. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a nice, cork, sad, chises. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here is my high coup for business as usual. [SPEAKER_00]: Quark has lost it all, cousin Gailab provides hope, a conscience prevails.

8:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Gared, excellent. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I got a excellent book. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, excellent. [SPEAKER_03]: That was wonderful. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because the one thing that I want to talk more about during our podcast is the fact that he's gone [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, he's going. [SPEAKER_00]: He's got nothing.

9:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got nothing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we will get to that for sure I'll be here for a little bit of Yeah, etymology from you. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_04]: It's more than a little unfortunate. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, can we hear a lot of etymology from okay? [SPEAKER_04]: All right So we start with the word business business as usual [SPEAKER_04]: Business is from the old English, business, business is the original pronunciation, from the stem word busy, which was originally spelled BUSI, not what I bet BUSI.

9:50 [SPEAKER_04]: The definition is the state of being busily engaged in anything, industry, diligence, and was first used in 1350. [SPEAKER_04]: The next word is as, yes, my initials. [SPEAKER_04]: The whole English from the Northern dialect, al-Awa, al-S. [SPEAKER_04]: Al-Wal Al-Soul. [SPEAKER_04]: Those were all the original words for as.

10:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And it means of quantity in that degree to the extent that's first used, to the extent of. [SPEAKER_04]: And that word was first used. [SPEAKER_04]: Ready? [SPEAKER_04]: 1,000 AD. [SPEAKER_04]: that long time ago. [SPEAKER_04]: And then the last one is usual. [SPEAKER_04]: And that is from the old French.

10:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to pronounce anything. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to spell it for you. [SPEAKER_04]: U.S. U. E. L. The definition is commonly observed or practiced current prevalent. [SPEAKER_04]: And that word was first used in 1396 in Scotland. [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, it's kind of usual from Scotland.

11:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Usually, although it's a French origin, yeah, French and the Scots were very tight. [SPEAKER_00]: And very friendly. [SPEAKER_00]: I did not know that. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, Mary Queen of Scots, for instance, was raised in France. [SPEAKER_04]: Before she became the queen of Scotland. [SPEAKER_04]: So they were tightly knit because the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

11:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: They both hated the English. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, when you broke down business, when you gave us the etymology from business, you talked about the origin being old English, and you mentioned that it was business and that point I was like, hmm, that sounds more dramatic.

11:44 [SPEAKER_00]: from German origins, but it's not. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just old. [SPEAKER_04]: It may have a touch of Dutch in it. [SPEAKER_04]: Dutch. [SPEAKER_04]: I read in the dictionary, but they did focus too much on it. [SPEAKER_04]: They did briefly mention about that. [SPEAKER_04]: You got it. [SPEAKER_00]: Great.

11:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into some of these details here. [SPEAKER_00]: This episode was written by Bradley Thompson and David Weddle, directed by Sidig Elfadil or Alexander Sidig. [SPEAKER_04]: I believe at this time, [SPEAKER_04]: The credits were showing Alexander's a dig, so it's interesting that he used his real name, or his non-stage name for the directorial, but I believe that's true.

12:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So as an actor, he's credited as Alexander Digg. [SPEAKER_00]: But as a director, he's a digger for deal then. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and take it for me, his name goes on for more than a dig. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a very long name. [SPEAKER_00]: So that is just the tip of the earth. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a tip of the earth.

12:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a joke. [SPEAKER_00]: Tell me. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: I did look up Sid's full birth name. [SPEAKER_03]: Are you ready? [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, please. [SPEAKER_03]: Sadig, El Tahir, El Fadil, El Sadig, Abdurahamman, Mohamed Ahmed Abdel, Korean L-Madi.

13:03 [SPEAKER_03]: that is his fault. [SPEAKER_04]: And you can understand why we just called him sit. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, are they listing all the prior Patriarchs that each that generation and that one that is. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, from what I understand.

13:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow. [SPEAKER_03]: uh... islamic culture that that's very important to know my father whose father was this whose father was that of his son of this son of that keep on going i thought robber Duncan McNeill was a long name i'd love [SPEAKER_00]: I know, I used to think that too, but not compared to that.

13:39 [SPEAKER_00]: No, Sid wins. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Sid wins every time. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So during their very first pitch session, Bradley Thompson and David Wuddle were told by Iris Steven Bear that he wanted a story where Cork runs up against the limits of his greed. [SPEAKER_00]: This episode was the result as Hans Beimler explains Quark is a fringy businessman.

14:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That's something he's proud of that has significance to him. [SPEAKER_00]: He's not a weasel. [SPEAKER_00]: Business as usual is a great story because it tells us how far Quark has been pushed and to what depths he's willing to go that he would take the role of an arms dealer. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's never completely comfortable with it.

14:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He kids himself for a while. [SPEAKER_00]: He's in denial, but when they start talking about killing 28 million people, [SPEAKER_00]: He becomes a man in tremendous turmoil. [SPEAKER_03]: I have a question for you, Arman. [SPEAKER_03]: About that, a man in tremendous turmoil. [SPEAKER_03]: Is that typical, do you think the typical, the average for Rengue would have the same crisis of conscience?

14:39 [SPEAKER_04]: No. [SPEAKER_04]: And I'll tell you why. [SPEAKER_04]: And I may have said this before in previous episodes. [SPEAKER_04]: It's because Quark lives in a starfleet community, and because he lives with aliens, he lives outside of his community. [SPEAKER_04]: Remember, his community has exiled him.

14:56 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a big thing, all during the shots of Quark's bar, you can see that for ringing, a document that says, no for ringing can do business with Quark. [SPEAKER_04]: He's been exiled, and he's taken on some of the qualities of the people he lives with. [SPEAKER_04]: His conscience has been affected by the fact that he's dealing with humons and vagorons and starfleet.

15:19 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's a natural thing to a core. [SPEAKER_04]: That's nothing wrong. [SPEAKER_04]: But this episode is about the conflict between these new principles that he's acquired while living on the station. [SPEAKER_04]: and the ingrained principles that was taught him when he was a young child.

15:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Which I think is a testament to the power and strength of Star Trek that you see these different cultures coming together and that there's value in each of those cultures, strong value in every individual culture, but there's greater value in my opinion. [SPEAKER_03]: in the combinations of those values.

15:58 [SPEAKER_03]: So you bring for wringy culture and mix it with some Starfleet and you have great value in that. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, to do commerce and to have principles that maybe you wouldn't have if you weren't combined with the different culture. [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that's great. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think the average for wringy would probably just make the deals.

16:15 [SPEAKER_03]: That would be my guess. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we have only to look at Gala who has no problems whatsoever. [SPEAKER_04]: Just take Quark out of the equation, look what happens to Rome, Rome is a different personal together because he's lived on the station with other cultures. [SPEAKER_04]: Nog, again, just a different personal together.

16:36 [SPEAKER_04]: So it is absolutely true, when you live in a different society, you acquire those aspects of the community that appeal to you. [SPEAKER_00]: So Armin, those quotes of yours from back in the day, one of them was about culture being affected by Starfleet. [SPEAKER_00]: So I will not read that.

16:53 [SPEAKER_00]: We just talked about that. [SPEAKER_00]: But the other one you said was, quote, I'm perhaps the proudest of business as usual because that I believe was the most three dimensional performance I've given as the character. [SPEAKER_00]: It was actually a combination of elements. [SPEAKER_00]: It had a well thought out script, a non-comic script for cork.

17:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Sid directed it and he was very amenable to my making changes in the focus in the thrust of the character. [SPEAKER_00]: We also had terrific guest stars. [SPEAKER_00]: It turned out to be a very enjoyable experience for me. [SPEAKER_00]: It's the single show of all of them. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm most proud of and quote.

17:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I agree with very little of that, but I do agree with some of it. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_04]: Watching it again, I am very happy that they came up with this story. [SPEAKER_04]: It gave me an opportunity to be a more three-dimensional character, which I was very grateful. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think originally it was meant to be a comic episode, but I watching it again, I think comedy sort of seeped its way into it.

17:56 [SPEAKER_04]: And that was a fault of mine, perhaps a fault of Sid's, or perhaps also a fault of the writers who just couldn't get over the fact that they were writing for a comic character. [SPEAKER_04]: I like this episode a lot, a lot, but I think they could have gone further. [SPEAKER_04]: I think the question of whether or not it's a moral thing to sell arms could have been more investigated.

18:22 [SPEAKER_04]: we often see characters dealing with moral questions on Star Trek. [SPEAKER_04]: This was a moral question for Quark and for the viewers, and I wish they had gone deeper into the pros and cons of that argument. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's interesting. [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's going to be when we get to our bonus material.

18:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I have some thoughts about that. [SPEAKER_03]: Just exactly what you're talking about. [SPEAKER_03]: But we'll get into that when we get there. [SPEAKER_04]: And whereas in your quote, I say it was a delightful experience. [SPEAKER_04]: It was anything. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let me, yes, we will, let me read a quote from Sid.

19:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Sid said, there's a hundred thousand things I'd love to go and do again. [SPEAKER_00]: But by and large, I was very happy with it. [SPEAKER_00]: Armin was fabulous. [SPEAKER_00]: It was a technically complicated part for him. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank God for him, or I'd have been in all sorts of trouble.

19:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, he would have and not because of my acting. [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to get into that. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, not because of my acting. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, guest stars Josh Pace as Gala Tim Halligan as Farak or was it Farak? [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember now. [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's Farak.

19:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I may be wrong. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: And Lawrence Tierney as the regent of Palamar. [SPEAKER_00]: So there we go. [SPEAKER_00]: We've got. [SPEAKER_04]: Wait, wait, you forgot the the main guest. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, special guest star. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, special guest star is Stephen Berkoff as Hageth.

19:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And we also have a co-star Eric Kadora as a customer. [SPEAKER_04]: And an uncredited lady who played Haryx Haryx, the accomplice, who was a co or a companion or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember her on Christmas? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm quite a co-star to Laura, maybe.

20:10 [SPEAKER_04]: To Laura, to Laura is a character's name. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Charlie, her name was Charlie Curtis, so. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: May I first name. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_04]: Now, before you go on to the next thing, I want to tell you about three of these actors, because it's important.

20:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to start with Josh Pace, who played Gala, and I thought did a really good job, and actually I wish they had given him a little bit more, I really liked working with Josh. [SPEAKER_04]: But he grew up in New York City, in Alphabet City, which is a really sort of hard place to grow up.

20:46 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a tough neighborhood back then, to now it's now it's very hip and cool, but back then it was a tough place to grow up. [SPEAKER_04]: So I think some of the performance comes from his early days. [SPEAKER_04]: His father was a theoretical physicist who worked with Albert Einstein for 11 years.

21:04 [SPEAKER_04]: His mother was a writer and a poet, and he very much involved himself with a bond guard theater, and you can see that in his performance. [SPEAKER_04]: He makes some wonderfully strange choices that I think are good colors that were added to the palette of the show, so, you know, Kudos to him.

21:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that his regular voice, or did he do some of that? [SPEAKER_04]: Not his teeth as always the Timber of the Voice. [SPEAKER_04]: As I watched the show and I don't remember this, but as I watched the episode this week, I began to see that he was having some difficulties getting around the teeth that that was on.

21:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I noticed that as well. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: sucking things in because because it's strange to have all those appliances in your mouth. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was definitely having issues with that. [SPEAKER_00]: But overall, it just his voice sound to me, sounded like a small town country, country doctor, kind of guy, you know, just that's what I got from [SPEAKER_00]: his voice quality and just how he was speaking.

22:08 [SPEAKER_04]: It shows us I don't remember his real voice. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: But again, having all those appliances does change your voice as it changed mine in Max's. [SPEAKER_04]: The next person I want to talk about is Steven Berkoff and for those of us who work in the theater, Berkoff is a huge name.

22:23 [SPEAKER_04]: But Berkoff is an incredible playwright. [SPEAKER_04]: who was studied in England, he's a phenomenal writer, but bizarre. [SPEAKER_04]: He writes very strange and sexually overt plays, plays with incredibly blue language in it. [SPEAKER_04]: He is highly respected, he's very volatile. [SPEAKER_04]: He's enormously volatile.

22:53 [SPEAKER_04]: About a year ago, I went to a play about a Stephen Berkoff, about a production of birthday party that was done in Los Angeles, that eventually was canceled because of Mr. Berkoff's shenanigans. [SPEAKER_04]: And I'll talk more about that later. [SPEAKER_04]: But he's a present, backstage, and I spent most of the week with him.

23:12 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like living with Godzilla. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's also been around forever for a very, very long time. [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, he acted with Sid's uncle, Malcolm McDowell, in a clockwork orange in that film. [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, long pedigree. [SPEAKER_04]: And he's been fired from many a show.

23:33 [SPEAKER_04]: He has a very volatile behavior. [SPEAKER_04]: He's not easy to be around. [SPEAKER_03]: Got it. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's got a very important place in theater history, as you said. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's literally created a style of theater that I think has got his name on it, you know, like Berkov style theater.

23:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, he's he's he's been very influential, my guess. [SPEAKER_03]: And then. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's written plays like men and mortises. [SPEAKER_04]: The Greeks, uh, lots of plays and, and they're very, you sit in the audience with your mouth open because you can't believe the actors are doing what they're doing or saying what they're saying because it's, it's so off the wall.

24:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and the last person is Lawrence Tierney played the regent. [SPEAKER_04]: He was born in bed stives in 1919. [SPEAKER_04]: He died in 2002. [SPEAKER_04]: He had a stroke in 1995. [SPEAKER_04]: We did this episode either in 1996 or in 1997. [SPEAKER_04]: And that was obvious to Sid and I, as we were working with him, the stroke, and I'll get more into that when we do the his scene.

24:43 [SPEAKER_04]: But he also was a very volatile personality. [SPEAKER_04]: He has been arrested many, many times. [SPEAKER_04]: He spent time in jail. [SPEAKER_04]: He's been accused and convicted of attacks. [SPEAKER_04]: He broke a young man's jaw once and sent the first person he attacked. [SPEAKER_04]: Wow, he was, he was a well-known batty in 1940s movies.

25:10 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think the last thing he did was, was a reservoir dogs with Tantino, and he behaved so badly in that film that Tantino never hired him again. [SPEAKER_03]: It was just, I think I heard that he got into like a physical fight with Tarantino and that film on Resort Dogs. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

25:30 [SPEAKER_04]: It was touch and go. [SPEAKER_04]: The entire episode. [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like it. [SPEAKER_00]: Watch. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the luck of having one volatile person, you get two volatile actors to have to juggle and kind of shepherd along during this process of making this episode, oh my goodness.

25:52 [SPEAKER_04]: And this is what it said is a beginning director. [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I was going to say. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, they're like running over him. [SPEAKER_00]: Aren't they? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my goodness. [SPEAKER_04]: It was. [SPEAKER_04]: It was very hard to watch, and especially the scene with Mr. Tierney, which I'll get into when we would do that scene.

26:12 [SPEAKER_04]: But I spent the entire week keeping Birka from quitting the episode. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my goodness. [SPEAKER_04]: He spent most of his time with me and he was constantly berating the show, the director, everything about Star Trek and always on the verge of quitting. [SPEAKER_04]: All I was constantly begging him to stay a little bit longer, a little bit longer.

26:36 [SPEAKER_04]: I was babysitting this ego for [SPEAKER_03]: This should have been producers down there. [SPEAKER_03]: There should have been producers doing that work. [SPEAKER_03]: Not you. [SPEAKER_04]: They should not have left Sid alone with these people. [SPEAKER_04]: No. [SPEAKER_04]: They should, especially, he's a fledgling director.

26:51 [SPEAKER_04]: They gave him really difficult actors that most mature directors either worked with and never used again or fired while they were working with. [SPEAKER_03]: This was a lot round to have to wait. [SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait to hear seen by seeing some of these stories. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, when we get there, I'll try to tell you.

27:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you already talked about it. [SPEAKER_00]: But I was going to say that Terni did have a stroke, and that he had a little bit of issues delivering, or remembering lines actually. [SPEAKER_00]: When we get there, more than a little. [SPEAKER_04]: What said did I've never seen done on a set before he had to do it?

27:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'll tell you about it. [SPEAKER_00]: OK, we'll talk about when we get there, right, on those scenes. [SPEAKER_00]: OK, perfect. [SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's dive into the scenes. [SPEAKER_03]: We started Quarks, Dax and Quark are playing Tongo. [SPEAKER_03]: Quark is very distracted.

27:39 [SPEAKER_03]: While they're playing, because he lost his entire fortune because of a war. [SPEAKER_03]: And then his cousin Gala shows off. [SPEAKER_03]: Isn't it just the war? [SPEAKER_04]: It's also a stock market. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: He has futures. [SPEAKER_00]: He also talks about...

27:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He talks about quadro, do you catch this, Robby? [SPEAKER_00]: Quadro, Tritacali, futures. [SPEAKER_00]: So that was where you see in the whole of the trouble of troubles at the moment. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right, that green, so I thought that was cute. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it was every, every investment, every stock, every, every future that he had had completely tanked.

28:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He's busted. [SPEAKER_00]: He's busted. [SPEAKER_00]: He's busted. [SPEAKER_03]: He's busted. [SPEAKER_03]: That's when Gala shows up. [SPEAKER_03]: Gala has cousin wants him to help. [SPEAKER_03]: So weapons Gala who tried to kill him. [SPEAKER_03]: Who tried to kill him? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yes, with the false murder.

28:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Quarter immediately is a little bit like I don't want to I don't want to get into weapons Trading and selling and Gala says no, just host my client. [SPEAKER_03]: Just do your thing be a host. [SPEAKER_03]: So he's kind of [SPEAKER_03]: not being honest here honestly he's not just hosting that he you end up doing he want to do much more later on but but for now quarks says okay that's all I got to do maybe I'll be richer than ever I think it's not so much that he wants to be richer than ever he just wants to get out of the whole stuff for himself [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you say this is the bottom and I wish we had even more dialogue or sit a done something I think really the writer should have done something to really lay that foundation that he was busted that there's no further

29:15 [SPEAKER_04]: He can't go down any further. [SPEAKER_04]: He's bankrupt, and he's out of business. [SPEAKER_04]: He's failed, not only failed as a human being, but he's failed as a Frankie, to fail business-wise, is the worst thing that can happen to a Frankie. [SPEAKER_04]: And really, where does he go?

29:33 [SPEAKER_04]: He can't go back to home. [SPEAKER_04]: He can't go back to Frank and Art. [SPEAKER_04]: They've exiled him. [SPEAKER_04]: He has no friends. [SPEAKER_04]: It is really the bottom of the bottom. [SPEAKER_04]: I wish they had done a little bit more to let the audience know that. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you do say at one point in this first scene, you say I'm up to my lobes and death, which I loved, you know, most people are familiar with them up to my ears and death.

29:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And that line jumped out at me and I thought to myself, where does that same come from up to my ears? [SPEAKER_03]: It literally comes from the 17, 1800s, I think, [SPEAKER_03]: It comes from, um, yeah, when people sail boats and travel by boat mostly, it's drowning. [SPEAKER_03]: So you're right.

30:20 [SPEAKER_03]: It should have been, it should have landed. [SPEAKER_03]: more graphically and more emotionally, and not Terry's fault. [SPEAKER_04]: But the line that she says, oh, it can't be that bad. [SPEAKER_04]: And I wish they had not written that line, but given her something said, oh, God quirk, this is terrible.

30:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: She makes, she just passes all it can't be that bad. [SPEAKER_04]: But it is. [SPEAKER_04]: And I wish that had landed more, because that would make people understand the dilemma that he was in. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I feel like, you know, you're saying if you could just have more dialogue, you know, this and that, another thing that could have really helped is just wardrobe, more disheveled, not as well, you know, camped as cork normally looks like you're at the end of your wits and everything should be just.

31:08 [SPEAKER_00]: about to just you about to lose it including the way you look and I think that's the quickest way for Pete the audience to go oh something's off with court he does not his normal sartorial self I mean he you know look at him now he's completely he's disheveled he's never disheveled so I don't know that's one way no one helped yeah absolutely all right well we go to a Brian's quarters next I wrote down that the place looks like a toy store [SPEAKER_03]: There's always everywhere.

31:38 [SPEAKER_03]: We get it. [SPEAKER_03]: There's a baby. [SPEAKER_03]: There's always everywhere. [SPEAKER_03]: But Miles is pacing with the baby. [SPEAKER_03]: He's walking with the baby. [SPEAKER_03]: Jake comes in looking for Kaco. [SPEAKER_03]: He says something about Professor. [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, wait, what?

31:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Is she a professor? [SPEAKER_03]: Did I miss that? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: It's so new. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's uh, she's, yeah, professor O'Brien, uh, when his professor O'Brien do back in his shoes, maybe she Yeah, I thought she just had the school and she was like a teacher and a botanist and you know, she was his teacher so she could Yeah, he, he could call it professor.

32:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was an upgrade. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, anyway [SPEAKER_03]: She's a professor of Brian. [SPEAKER_03]: So Kiko's gone, she's not going to be back for a week or two. [SPEAKER_03]: And Jake sees that, you know, Miles is trying to get curiosity. [SPEAKER_03]: We, this is the first time I remember hearing the name, by the way, Kira Yoshi, which I thought was great.

32:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And we're afraid of the baby, is Yoshi, but the full name is Kira, because Kira cared the baby, I assume, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but is that what they were planning on? [SPEAKER_00]: Because I think Kira Yoshi is also a Japanese name as well. [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm saying, but why not why choose that name.

32:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, obviously. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's I mean, this is the first time I realized I Oh, this was an in homage to Kira. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the so I felt same thing you did, Robbie, but I also felt like I think that's also a Japanese It is a real Japanese right choice. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree [SPEAKER_03]: But Jake offers to babysit the baby and Miles agrees, they try it, Jake holds the baby, the baby wakes up immediately and then Miles wakes the baby back, he's like, I'll just take the baby to work.

33:19 [SPEAKER_03]: So clearly, Miles is a little overwhelmed with this baby and, uh, [SPEAKER_04]: He also says that the usual babysitter is I think sick and can't do it. [SPEAKER_04]: So that's right. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: Did you hear Jake talk about his babysitting experience where he says I babysat and some brands hatchlings.

33:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: I like that. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: That's lovely. [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, anytime we can get non-human with these aliens and our straight daily and world, it's great. [SPEAKER_00]: it's very cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: We go back to Quarks. [SPEAKER_03]: Quark is very paranoid.

33:50 [SPEAKER_03]: He's shaking the chairs. [SPEAKER_03]: He's looking at the bar. [SPEAKER_03]: He thinks Odo could shapeshift now. [SPEAKER_03]: So a great reminder that Odo has got his shapeshifting abilities back. [SPEAKER_03]: And Gaila introduces Haggith, who is the buyer, the weapons traitor. [SPEAKER_03]: Guy, they're going to be dealing with it.

34:08 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was very surprised to see Stephen Bergoff come in. [SPEAKER_03]: about Stephen Burkoff. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Let me ask you a question, Robbie, in that moment when Burkoff comes in, we see him coming in. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: And then the very next moment, Gaila blocks the image of him.

34:28 [SPEAKER_04]: He still is the doorway and then Gaila blocks him. [SPEAKER_03]: What was that about? [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: It was an odd I didn't notice. [SPEAKER_03]: I thought maybe Gaila's trying to hide and make a [SPEAKER_03]: You know, kind of duck out of the way to make it a theatrical introduction of some kind, but it didn't play that way, it felt like it felt like odd staging to me.

34:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I felt like, generally, since we're talking about staging, I felt like, generally, in this episode, there was a lot more movement by the actors. [SPEAKER_03]: then often happens on your show or on any of our search shows. [SPEAKER_03]: And often movement can take a lot more time to film.

35:05 [SPEAKER_03]: And I wondered if because Sid was relatively new to directing that he allowed the actors to sort of move wherever they wanted. [SPEAKER_03]: didn't economize the blocking as much as you normally do. [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes that movement I thought was helpful to the scene and to the dramatic to telling the story.

35:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes in this episode, I thought the movement was extraneous and distracting and probably took a lot more time to film. [SPEAKER_04]: As much as I liked Josh's performance, I think he moved a little bit more like he wanted to be an alien. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and and I think this might have been one time when he just got in the way of of the lands where he shouldn't have blocked Agatha from coming in Because most of the time Yes, Berkoff did move but he was also at times very still as well.

35:59 [SPEAKER_04]: There's times when he's just perfectly still and that was good to me [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we go to the Holla Suite next. [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know it was the Holla Suite right away. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: That's intentional. [SPEAKER_03]: That's intentional.

36:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: And there's weapons all laid out and they're looking at all these weapons when Haggith takes a rifle and shoots quark, which I was like, oh my god, this horrible evil person just shot our friend and then we realize it's a holiday. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a hologram weapon.

36:27 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not going to hurt anybody. [SPEAKER_04]: That is a surprise. [SPEAKER_04]: We play it as a surprise. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: And it worked. [SPEAKER_03]: This was quarks idea, I think. [SPEAKER_03]: Right? [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But he says it's quarks idea.

36:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: He says it's quarks. [SPEAKER_04]: And you're right. [SPEAKER_04]: It could have been it could not have been it. [SPEAKER_04]: It could have been Gailus idea and he gives it any praises quarks for it. [SPEAKER_04]: But it couldn't have been half in half.

36:50 [SPEAKER_04]: It probably wasn't all quarks idea, probably a lot of it was Gailus. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if you ask him as in, you say, and why do you tell him it was my idea. [SPEAKER_03]: So you're right. [SPEAKER_03]: It was Gailus idea and he was Gailus. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Is this where Hageth gives him the morning of don't cross me?

37:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Is this here? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't ever cross me, understood? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: And I have to tell you, I don't know what the sequence of scenes was. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, when Stephen Brookoff says that to you, you hear it.

37:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, especially what was happening all week long if you know when he said don't cross me I was playing it for real They said it's when he delivered that line. [SPEAKER_00]: It just sent chills and crew and cast a like when he said that The line itself is a homage to the 1983 film Scarface in which Paul Shnars character warns Al Pacino's with almost a nearly identical threat of not crossing him [SPEAKER_04]: I'd be interested in knowing where the brick-off knew that or not.

37:50 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he needed to, but he might have. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he definitely needed to. [SPEAKER_00]: He played that perfectly. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Gala does say at the end of the scene, I told him it was your idea because I want him to like you. [SPEAKER_03]: You like you. [SPEAKER_03]: It seems like he's just looking out for you at this point.

38:04 [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't. [SPEAKER_04]: But he wasn't looking out for me backstage, because I, he was nowhere to be seen when I was dealing with brick-off for eight days. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh no, it should have been a producer. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh. [SPEAKER_03]: I always, when I'm producing on a TV show, I tell the actors and I tell department heads, do not try to manage problems.

38:21 [SPEAKER_03]: If there's a challenging actor or anything going on, tell the ADs to get us down there and will come down and fix it. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want you trying to solve interpersonal stuff with crew members or between classmates. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't do it. [SPEAKER_03]: It's never going to be a good thing.

38:38 [SPEAKER_04]: I have to tell you, in my opinion, if a producer had come down, [SPEAKER_04]: I I was bending over backwards to make it easy for him and I probably didn't tell anybody I was having problems because I thought I was the only one that could solve this problem. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I understand your your impulse and your effort and you're probably right.

39:01 [SPEAKER_03]: He probably would have quit if the producers are come down. [SPEAKER_03]: But maybe that would have been a good thing for the show. [SPEAKER_03]: who would have handled that, like which producer would that have been a Brad, you Kobe and or Mary Howard, or Rick Burmese, or Rick Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burmese, or Burm

39:32 [SPEAKER_04]: and probably that would have been a better thing because I don't think he ever wanted to be on that set. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: So then you would have had an actor that was not well known, but very grateful to be there, to replace him. [SPEAKER_03]: So I've had that conversation before, where do I need to get a plane ticket?

39:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, do we need to make a change? [SPEAKER_03]: Because this is what we need to do. [SPEAKER_00]: That's how you set it to the person. [SPEAKER_00]: I have to do what you need to get a plane ticket. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you set it to the digital studio travel [SPEAKER_03]: It's not hardball, it's just sometimes that's the reality of like, if this is not working for you because it's not working for us, this process with the drama that you're creating or the distraction to the rest of our [SPEAKER_03]: show family.

40:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: That's not good for us. [SPEAKER_00]: That's mutually interesting. [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, if you can't change, if we can't fix what your problems are and you can't change the way that you're managing these problems, then we should make a change. [SPEAKER_03]: It'd be best for everybody.

40:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because I find that kind of that negative distraction and self-absorbed behavior to be very destructive to shows. [SPEAKER_03]: It's not good for the culture of the show or anyone else's work. [SPEAKER_04]: So, on the other hand, the glass being halfful, because of all that, I had a real distinctive inner fear of him that plays throughout the episode.

41:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, and again, as a producer, I would have pulled you aside and said, are you okay with this? [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because I and I being doodiful as Mr. Brooks once said would have said, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: But at least we would have had that conversation and you would have felt not alone in it.

41:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Even if nothing changed. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Even if you said, I'm going to be beautiful. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to I'll continue to talk to him. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't mind. [SPEAKER_03]: It's and here's the glass have full side of it. [SPEAKER_03]: It's working. [SPEAKER_03]: It's helping my performance.

41:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And I would have said as a producer. [SPEAKER_03]: All right, but you let me know because I've got your back. [SPEAKER_03]: And if things, if you need a backup here, I'll be there, you know. [SPEAKER_03]: And so I think that was what was missing maybe in your... [SPEAKER_04]: It probably is absolutely right.

41:48 [SPEAKER_04]: And I probably also had a feeling that I had to help Sid. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: This was either his first or second directorial job and I probably didn't want to lay that on Sid. [SPEAKER_04]: He had enough to breathe. [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I really want to find out if this is his first or second.

42:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, can you look that up please because I'm it's killing me because I know I already reviewed one. [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about all this is his first one and he wants to use Sadigal Fadil and not Alexander Sadig Yeah, as a name it there's another episode that I distinctly remember where he it was it was scenes between Quark and Mugi between he and his mother and That and that and we've done a quark mugi one, right?

42:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Is that what we wanted that might be his first [SPEAKER_03]: Business as usual was his first profit in lace was his second profit in lace. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, so then this is first because he was he was a prince during profit in lace We did things that that were wonderful that eventually the producers didn't like but but sit and I and and Sessionly liked a lot.

42:50 [SPEAKER_04]: I love [SPEAKER_00]: We're in the holiday at a weapons range. [SPEAKER_00]: Quark is now with a new customer showing off a weapon called the brain CRM 114. [SPEAKER_00]: So the alien starts using it. [SPEAKER_00]: Quark cues up first a vessel, which then he blows out of the sky with this very elaborate explosion.

43:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And then a human robotic figure starts [SPEAKER_00]: marching towards them and he blows that up at the same very, very elaborate explosion. [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what, Hageth and Gailer are standing off to the side. [SPEAKER_00]: They're very pleased with what Quark has done. [SPEAKER_00]: He's doing his job.

43:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So good job to Quark and they're very excited and they break out some champagne and I think they celebrate. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're going to he's going to buy 2,000 of them. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he can buy some my own weapons. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, in the script actually it's minor, but in the script he's supposed to open a champagne bottle, but I don't think they have time for that.

43:52 [SPEAKER_04]: So they just have, uh, this is ready to go. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we go to Haggard's quarters next and Haggard is watching the stock market I guess he's got like all these monitors and he's looking at the stock market. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, he's looking to the stock market and court comes in to see why he hasn't been paid yet.

44:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Hageth says, well, I'm paying your debtors first, because I don't want when someone working for me who's in debt like this. [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm gonna pay off your debts first, and then once that's all done, then you'll start making some money. [SPEAKER_03]: But in the meantime, here's a gift.

44:30 [SPEAKER_03]: He gives him some glass beads. [SPEAKER_03]: The quarks seems very thrilled about. [SPEAKER_03]: He knows that these beads are endary and glass beads. [SPEAKER_04]: Worth of fortune. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, oh, you know, Robby Unvoyager, no one ever mentions the stock market, right?

44:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, no one ever says, oh, yeah, I invested it only on DS9, this is a nice show. [SPEAKER_04]: It puts a stake into the idea that there is no money on Star Trek. [SPEAKER_04]: The way you just described Robby, you said he'll pay off his dad, so do that. [SPEAKER_04]: That's all money.

45:08 [SPEAKER_04]: that's everybody's trading money everybody's dealing in money yeah uh i don't hear credits it could be credits but it's all money money money money money so wouldn't when Michael drawn in other state well there's no money in Star Trek i wouldn't yeah well i don't know my show that's right there's no money on all shows but deasigned how's that [SPEAKER_03]: quarks seems thrilled with the endorian glass beads and your right arm and he does say in the very beginning who would have thought you can make so much money within during glass beads?

45:38 [SPEAKER_03]: so first line out of his mouth he talks about the endorian glass beads then he gives you some so you know there's money to be made there. [SPEAKER_03]: You even show the woman I made a note you turn and show to Laura. [SPEAKER_03]: To Laura. [SPEAKER_03]: To Laura. [SPEAKER_04]: Look but there's no close up of you.

45:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I see you just did that on your own, but as soon as you do that, Sid should know he needs a close-up of you there, even if it's an ad lib. [SPEAKER_03]: and the editors should know that. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: It's it was strange to me that you have a moment where you turned.

46:17 [SPEAKER_03]: That should have been the blow or the button of the scene was. [SPEAKER_03]: You turn back to her and close up and you hold it up. [SPEAKER_03]: Look. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: The script says quark looks genuinely touched by this gift. [SPEAKER_04]: That is the way the scene ends.

46:31 [SPEAKER_03]: But there still was no close-up of you, even when she left for the look, they showed up in a close-up. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: That's the button of the scene. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, all the behind-the-scenes things that we're now being made aware of, Robbie, probably didn't afford them the time to shoot that close-up, unfortunately.

46:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it would have supported a close-up would have supported your big note, [SPEAKER_03]: It's all about money. [SPEAKER_03]: He wouldn't even be dealing with this if it if he wasn't broke. [SPEAKER_03]: If he wasn't drowning Yes, and so that close-up could have supported the there's hope there's hope for me.

47:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I can pay off debts with this. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the button for the end of the scene, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Should be the clip. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I think I agree. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's it. [SPEAKER_00]: That would that would make a much more stronger driven.

47:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, one story. [SPEAKER_03]: Whereas I don't know this woman who doesn't have a line in the episode. [SPEAKER_03]: Why do I care about quarks back and looking at her reaction to these bees who cares about that? [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: So we're in quarks, Bashir and O'Brien are having their typical darks game, O'Brien kind of teases, Bashir, about the fact that he has to stand for the back, because he's genetically engineered, he has Yoshi with him.

47:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And, but she was kind of shocked like, what the heck, you know, why don't you just put the baby down and it's funny because every time O'Brien is not holding Yoshi, he is crying. [SPEAKER_00]: So if someone else is holding him, Yoshi cries. [SPEAKER_00]: If he puts Yoshi down, Yoshi cries.

48:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is uh, this is something that he has to deal with. [SPEAKER_00]: So he actually is playing and throwing darts holding Yoshi. [SPEAKER_00]: So everything he's doing, whether it's work or at home is holding that child. [SPEAKER_04]: What is this? [SPEAKER_04]: The 24th century? [SPEAKER_04]: I know in the 21st century in the 20th century, they have slings.

48:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: They put babies in, so you don't have to hold them in, they can still be by your body. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: And that will let you play darts all you like. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you should be playing darts with a baby that closes. [SPEAKER_03]: Darts are sharp.

48:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: It seemed irresponsible to me. [SPEAKER_00]: Or some type of levitating crib at that point that sort of follows you around, you know, but you don't have to hold the child the whole time or take the baby to the holla deck pay quirk a little money [SPEAKER_03]: and do a hologram of yourself that wouldn't work because he needs to feel the warmth and the hard feeling.

48:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But Robbie has a point if he programmed, oh, himself, oh, Brian, a holographical Brian, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to babysit the babies, to

49:11 [SPEAKER_04]: maybe you could. [SPEAKER_04]: Sure. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Let me try to help you out. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, man. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: We go to Haggitz quarters. [SPEAKER_03]: Tolora is giving quirk a little umox here.

49:23 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's nice for you. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Upside down, Oomax. [SPEAKER_03]: Upside down, Oomax. [SPEAKER_00]: Because maybe the blood going to the, you know, the lobes is better when you tilt backwards. [SPEAKER_03]: Upside down, Oomax, the doorbell rings, and it's Odo upside down, upside down POV.

49:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I love that. [SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to know. [SPEAKER_03]: It's good. [SPEAKER_03]: I did like that. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, good. [SPEAKER_03]: Odo says he needs, uh, and needs him to go to the security office, ASAP. [SPEAKER_03]: That's not. [SPEAKER_03]: That's never good. [SPEAKER_03]: No, never good message.

50:01 [SPEAKER_04]: And this should have, you know, we're talking about reactions and we don't want to make this a two-hour show, but still, this should have been a look from me saying, uh-oh. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes. [SPEAKER_04]: If I was looking for Odo in an earlier scene because something could happen when he does show up, there should be an O-o moment.

50:20 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, what's this about? [SPEAKER_03]: We cut to the security office and Otis says I know what you're doing and I am going to hold you accountable for this and Cisco and Kira arrive and they say, nope, let them go, let Quarko, the Bajoran's insist that Haggith be free to do business because he helped the business.

50:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Haggith and his associates. [SPEAKER_03]: And as associates, yeah, let them do business because they help the resistance when they were fighting the Kardashians. [SPEAKER_03]: So, Hageth, to them is a good guy. [SPEAKER_03]: Let them do his thing. [SPEAKER_04]: Which I can understand Cisco being upset with that we're letting arms dealers off the, but I didn't quite understand why Kira was as antithetical to Quark at this moment, considering that those guns helped her in her rebellion.

51:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, agreed. [SPEAKER_03]: I also thought the level of Cisco's anger directed at Quark in the scene was too much agreed. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, and again, with the history of what has already happened with Cisco. [SPEAKER_00]: and cork bonding and kind of seeing eye to eye in prior episodes all of that backstory is gone in this in that scene where he just he spins you around like you're a fifth grader and just barks at you like you were the rebellious kid in fifth grade and that's your school teacher getting all crazy on you.

51:45 [SPEAKER_00]: uh, it was too much. [SPEAKER_03]: Next scene is in Hageth's quarters and they're celebrating this really smart strategy of selling to the Bajorans, how, you know, Hageth was so brilliant, you know, invest in a winner, everyone told him, invest in a winner, sell to the Kardashians, but his smart strategy was sell to the Bajorans.

52:05 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's paying off now suddenly the doorbell rings and for Rock, for Rock, I think it is, right? [SPEAKER_03]: We've been right for Rock arrives. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, Hageth thinks he blew deals and was just playing on Ryza and he fires him. [SPEAKER_03]: This guy working for him. [SPEAKER_03]: Who was a human by the way?

52:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I was looking for him. [SPEAKER_00]: I was looking for Bajoran anything. [SPEAKER_03]: No, but I didn't understand how a human was working. [SPEAKER_03]: It just seems like they didn't have the money for a make-up or something. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, if it's human, there's nothing alien about it.

52:42 [SPEAKER_03]: No, that's true. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing alien about him. [SPEAKER_03]: Is there? [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Stephen Borkoff would have loved to put on some prosthetic makeup. [SPEAKER_03]: That would have happened. [SPEAKER_03]: Over that time. [SPEAKER_04]: Please don't make my day harder than it already was.

52:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh no. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so Hageth is not only smart, he's got good instincts, he's sold to the Bajorans, but he's ruthless. [SPEAKER_02]: ruthless. [SPEAKER_03]: And he fires Farak on this spot. [SPEAKER_03]: And he wants to, he ends the scene by saying, shall we go back to what we were talking about?

53:12 [SPEAKER_03]: He wants to talk about how smart he was. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: There are times in Haggath's scene, Stephen Burke office of wonderful playwright, bizarre, but wonderful. [SPEAKER_04]: He's over the top as the theater. [SPEAKER_04]: There are times when I go, that's a little too much.

53:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Even scenes with me, that's a little too much. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I'm glad you said that because I felt the same way and he is a very creatively talented person. [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't realize until you brought up some of the challenges of his personal character. [SPEAKER_03]: And I, you know, the fighting on set with Quentin Tarantino, I remember hearing about there's a lot of [SPEAKER_03]: legal issues this even broke off dealt with in terms of courts and things like that, so yeah very volatile personality for sure.

53:59 [SPEAKER_03]: And this performance has no boundaries and it feels like he needed some boundaries and I don't know if Sid was able to do that. [SPEAKER_04]: And because of that, it tends to have a slightly comical effect because we can't really [SPEAKER_04]: But on camera, it's still threatening, but because it's over the top, it's not a threatening as some other performances we've seen on any other show.

54:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, they're just calculated and cold and straight forward and very naturalistic. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: The theatrical qualities sort of made it. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you're right. [SPEAKER_03]: You didn't take it as seriously. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: What we go to Quark's next, Quark is polishing some glasses, mourners there at the bar, of course, without any lines, and Quark is super quiet.

54:52 [SPEAKER_03]: He's drunk at the bar. [SPEAKER_03]: He's drunk. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that's right. [SPEAKER_03]: But the bar. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: That's why he has no lines. [SPEAKER_03]: Because he's a slave to this. [SPEAKER_03]: Quark's Quark's is very quiet though. [SPEAKER_03]: The bar is very quiet because it's off limits for starfleet.

55:07 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what Cisco is decided to do. [SPEAKER_04]: And Sid has changed the position of the Feringy document from the right side of the door to the left side of the door, so we can get it in the shot. [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm. [SPEAKER_03]: But continuity wise, it doesn't make any sense. [SPEAKER_03]: But there it is in the shot.

55:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: I did like when Gala comes in, Sid chose to shoot these scenes, and with longer lenses and close-ups, these over-the-shoulders and close-ups. [SPEAKER_03]: And it felt like, so a longer lens, a more telephoto lens, puts the background out of focus and focuses in on just a shorter field of focus there.

55:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And I like that choice, the longer lens is here because it felt like you and Gala were really in a private conversation in that way. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I thought that was an elegant and smart choice. [SPEAKER_00]: Is this depth of field talk? [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, depth of field. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the depth of field on a longer lens or a more telephoto lens is going to be shallower depth of field.

56:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Got it, okay. [SPEAKER_03]: And there's some lenses called anamorphic lenses that in a longer lens of an anamorphic lens where it squeezes the image and then you have to unsqueeze it. [SPEAKER_00]: is it anamorphic to the fish islands? [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_03]: No, anamorphic. [SPEAKER_03]: Anamorphic is a technique of a lens that actually squeezes the image.

56:23 [SPEAKER_03]: It takes a wider shot, but it squeezes it down, and then in post-production, you have to unsqueeze it to get the full sizing. [SPEAKER_03]: But what those longer lenses in an anamorphic does is it [SPEAKER_03]: It carries a shallow depth of field, but a bigger plane of that depth of field, a bigger plane of focus.

56:41 [SPEAKER_03]: So you don't just get like a nose in focus. [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes you've seen close-ups where just like the ears are out of focus. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: You know of the actor, but the eyes are in focus. [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. [SPEAKER_03]: The animorphic lens will hold the ears and the eyes.

56:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything will be there. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a more natural longer lens. [SPEAKER_00]: Why would you use that lens though? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, what would you try the lens? [SPEAKER_00]: It's just the outer lens. [SPEAKER_00]: The outer lens. [SPEAKER_03]: Who's in a morpher, everyone? [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, yeah, I love this scene with you, Armin, loved it with you and Gaila.

57:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Gaila arrives, he says, a big client's coming. [SPEAKER_03]: A good time with quirk success. [SPEAKER_03]: And Gaila reveals he's stepping back and quirk has, he wants quirk to step up, take the profit, make more money. [SPEAKER_03]: But he also mentions that this scene that Farak ship, [SPEAKER_03]: A ship blew up.

57:30 [SPEAKER_03]: A ship cobreach. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, accidentally. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't cross paths as you step up, Cork. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't cross paths with Haggeth. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, great scene. [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of lovely scenes. [SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of subtexts for Cork to play as you're absorbing all this.

57:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought you played it beautifully. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So Gaila Shutter retired, is that what's happening? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, don't tell me. [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's what the character says.

57:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: He wants it out. [SPEAKER_04]: Why wouldn't he? [SPEAKER_04]: He's made enough. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: All right. [SPEAKER_03]: We go to the Reppel mat next. [SPEAKER_03]: You sit down ultimately with Dax. [SPEAKER_03]: You order a double snail juice.

58:09 [SPEAKER_03]: You like it extra smooth, rom likes it with the shells. [SPEAKER_03]: You try to sit with Dax. [SPEAKER_03]: You say mind if I join you, she says, yeah, actually I do. [SPEAKER_03]: never heard dax be so rude and direct. [SPEAKER_03]: But you said anyway, I won't take a personly. [SPEAKER_03]: She says I'm busy and she's mad at you, but she says that people are going to die just because you want to make some money.

58:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Quark begs her to understand. [SPEAKER_03]: She says, well, you must feel really guilty because you've come to me for forgiveness. [SPEAKER_03]: She's always it. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, a nice observation. [SPEAKER_03]: and a nice kind of light bulb moment for Quark. [SPEAKER_03]: I think he recognizes because she points it out.

58:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're right. [SPEAKER_03]: I feel guilty. [SPEAKER_04]: But it was a missed opportunity. [SPEAKER_04]: I agree with you. [SPEAKER_04]: All that is true. [SPEAKER_04]: Here was a chance for Quark to once more say. [SPEAKER_04]: I was busted. [SPEAKER_04]: I have no other choice. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't you understand?

59:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I think you do, though, Arman, because I made a note here. [SPEAKER_03]: You talk about, there's nothing else to do. [SPEAKER_03]: I was drowning, you say, the water, the closing over my head and my lungs were about the burst, which I thought was a call back to up to my ear or to my lungs.

59:17 [SPEAKER_04]: That's not in my notes, so thank you for remembering. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I think you do, you try, and you did it beautifully. [SPEAKER_03]: I thought your performance would be beautiful, and I thought the call back to the up to my lobes caught my attention, and made me go look at where that saying came from.

59:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And then to say I was drowning, it was smart writing here. [SPEAKER_04]: And let's also give Kudos to Terry. [SPEAKER_04]: I think she does a very good job. [SPEAKER_04]: Agreed. [SPEAKER_00]: We're in the infirmary. [SPEAKER_00]: Myos is getting his baby checked and guess what baby's fine.

59:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing going on. [SPEAKER_00]: No issues. [SPEAKER_00]: No problems. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Brian just can't figure out why this baby won't stop crying. [SPEAKER_00]: Just it's constantly constantly always. [SPEAKER_00]: What is it when the baby cries a lot? [SPEAKER_00]: It's a call that like calling.

1:00:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Bashir says, you know, nothing's wrong with the baby, but what about you? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's neck. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: Moscow's well, my neck, my neck. [SPEAKER_03]: Bashir's like, okay, I'll take care of you. [SPEAKER_04]: So I love the line.

1:00:15 [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to make a great poet. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, that is a great line of that. [SPEAKER_00]: Look on the bright side. [SPEAKER_00]: He'll probably be a great poet. [SPEAKER_03]: We go to Haggitz Quarters next. [SPEAKER_03]: Quarters showing the dishes that he's going to present to the the region 20 arrives goes through all of these fancy dishes.

1:00:34 [SPEAKER_03]: He says it's all the regions favorites looks disgusting to me. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, look. [SPEAKER_03]: and sound horrible. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't you don't want rock fun guy? [SPEAKER_00]: No thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: Condor snake. [SPEAKER_00]: Are you sure, Robbie? [SPEAKER_03]: You don't want any of it.

1:00:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I want it. [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds disgusting. [SPEAKER_03]: And Hageth tasted he think he agrees with me. [SPEAKER_03]: He thinks it tastes disgusting. [SPEAKER_03]: He thinks he's gonna hate it. [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, how could taste it? [SPEAKER_03]: I'm wrong. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: He looks disgusting.

1:01:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And then he tastes it. [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's delicious. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he put it. [SPEAKER_00]: Before that, he goes, he goes, you think he's gonna like this. [SPEAKER_00]: So he prep the prep or the set up is he hates it. [SPEAKER_00]: Then he goes, I love it.

1:01:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's always to it then. [SPEAKER_00]: He thinks Quark is a genius. [SPEAKER_04]: I think this is unnecessary. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, or it's his disliking it or what's the point? [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: He's already demonstrated for 30 minutes that these are threat. [SPEAKER_04]: We don't need to be told again that he's a threat.

1:01:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: The only value of this scene, but it's not very strong to me, is that Quark is smart. [SPEAKER_03]: He's looked into what the region will like, even though no one else would have thought of it. [SPEAKER_03]: Even Hageth would never have thought of this, because the dish has looked disgusting, but Quark is right.

1:01:51 [SPEAKER_03]: It tastes good, and he was smart enough to look into what the region likes. [SPEAKER_03]: It makes Quirk look smart here and like he's a competent air to this to Gala and the running this racket, but you could have had a better scene in him here. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, we've seen it enough.

1:02:10 [SPEAKER_04]: We've seen him lorded over Quirk several times now. [SPEAKER_04]: He does it constantly. [SPEAKER_04]: We didn't need another one. [SPEAKER_04]: We could have had a discussion about something else. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a little time has passed. [SPEAKER_03]: and uh... the regent is there the regent who comes off like somebody out of the godfather to me it's a brand us or something uh... because he is or a james cagny you know gangster movie from the forties or something it came up very uh... yeah very new york very yeah that kind of thing which jump it it took me out of star trek [SPEAKER_04]: It should, now is my time to tell you about what happened.

1:02:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, boy. [SPEAKER_04]: This is something I was a gasstad. [SPEAKER_04]: And I have great respect for Sid for how he handled the situation. [SPEAKER_04]: Here is the situation. [SPEAKER_04]: Lawrence Tierney couldn't remember his lines, not a one, and was frustrated with everybody around him and probably himself.

1:03:20 [SPEAKER_04]: that he could not remember any of his lines. [SPEAKER_04]: Very quickly, he did not want to hear from Sid. [SPEAKER_04]: Lawrence Tierney had his nephew, I think, they're with him, and he said to Sid, don't talk to me, talk to my cousin or my nephew, and the nephew would pass along, and that she was sitting right in front of him, would pass along, what Sid said, [SPEAKER_04]: to the nephew to tyranny.

1:03:48 [SPEAKER_04]: And because he couldn't remember one line, Sid had to put an hour and a half on to this scene, where he would say, okay, we're going to do this one line at a time. [SPEAKER_04]: So, what happened was, Sid would say a line, and most of the time... [SPEAKER_04]: Enough of you. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, now he's saying it to everybody, but saying a line, Tyranny would try to say the line that he was just told, and we're talking about five words, six words, at the most.

1:04:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Tyranny most of the time could not repeat the six words. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, and so we did take after take after take with him trying to say the six words of one one. [SPEAKER_04]: When he finally got the six words, Sid said, okay, that's a take. [SPEAKER_04]: Now let's go on to the next line.

1:04:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Another 20 minutes of getting those six words. [SPEAKER_04]: Wow! [SPEAKER_04]: And Terny getting angry or angry or angry or angry, I mean, everybody on the set thought that he was going to hit somebody, probably said. [SPEAKER_03]: She's been a producer there. [SPEAKER_03]: Wow. [SPEAKER_04]: and said calmly, get his best, just to mitigate the situation, just kindly, nicely, charmingly, just said, okay, we're going to get through this one line at a time.

1:05:12 [SPEAKER_04]: And every time he f***ed up, okay, we'll try it again, we'll try it again. [SPEAKER_04]: And it was putting time onto the, onto the day. [SPEAKER_04]: Sure. [SPEAKER_04]: And Terny was getting angrier and angrier. [SPEAKER_04]: an angrier and angrier and lashing out in everybody, even eventually lashing out as nephew as well.

1:05:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sitting opposite him because I'm in the scene and I have to feed it or accuse. [SPEAKER_04]: And he didn't get angry at me, he was angry at everybody else, but he was just mad. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how we got through that day without someone getting hurt because he was violent He didn't he didn't do anything violent, but he was so on the verge of throwing something hurting someone stomping out doing something and said just kept his cool and got through it word by literally word by word [SPEAKER_04]: There's a speech at the end of this scene that I don't think is in the episode.

1:06:18 [SPEAKER_04]: This scene is about three pages in this script, and it certainly isn't that way in the finding that head. [SPEAKER_04]: This was a long part of the day because we did get most of it. [SPEAKER_04]: There's something in here, because I was watching the episode I was looking at the script and something was deleted and I can't remember what it was, but something was deleted.

1:06:36 [SPEAKER_00]: tail end of the scene maybe. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, if they were doing it line by line, you know, it's going to be hard to cut that together because it's not going to flow like December. [SPEAKER_04]: It didn't flow at all. [SPEAKER_04]: And when I saw the episodes, how the **** did they do that?

1:06:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Because it looks fairly natural. [SPEAKER_04]: Very. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: When I know that it wasn't that we spent at least two hours, maybe three. [SPEAKER_03]: It's so interesting that that happened on Sid's first episode and actor who couldn't remember lines because my very first [SPEAKER_03]: I had some wonderful actors, but they were older, and we're having trouble remembering lines.

1:07:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Keen Curtis was one of the actors. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I know Keen. [SPEAKER_03]: And I loved Keen. [SPEAKER_03]: I loved his work as a stage actor. [SPEAKER_03]: Wonderful actor, he's passed way, no. [SPEAKER_03]: But Keen could not remember any lines. [SPEAKER_03]: And we struggled. [SPEAKER_03]: But he was so kind about it.

1:07:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And so his heart was so generous. [SPEAKER_03]: And [SPEAKER_03]: you know, he just, there was no anger, um, he was an anti-tierny. [SPEAKER_00]: Is what you're saying? [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and I would have broken if I were sit on this episode. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, I would have just, I think anybody would.

1:07:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't believe his composure. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was yelling at everybody. [SPEAKER_04]: he certainly didn't like he didn't like said and also he'd had the stroke which I didn't know at the time yeah so maybe he was frustrated at the fact that he couldn't do what he used to do because no reason for that behavior that no absolutely taking it out and everyone around him horrible [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, just to jump back into it, Robbie, we didn't even talk about the plot of the scene and know we did.

1:08:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So essentially, this whole scene is about the regent saying that one of his best or his most trusted officers in his army or in his regime, [SPEAKER_00]: Nossic is the best officer that this region has ever had. [SPEAKER_00]: He was going to basically just can't over everything to her, but she decides to rebel and he wants to make an example of her by eradicating the entire city that she is from.

1:08:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So, everybody. [SPEAKER_00]: So, then Gayla's like, well, how many casualties? [SPEAKER_00]: The region says seven or eight million, but then over the next couple of months, I want the death toll to keep rising to about 20 million. [SPEAKER_00]: And then this is absolutely crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: Corca is absolutely shocked, exactly.

1:09:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But he wants total 28 million dead. [SPEAKER_00]: And Corca makes a joke. [SPEAKER_00]: He can't we just wound some of them because he's so shocked. [SPEAKER_00]: He goes to humor, and that's when the region says I'm here to buy weapons. [SPEAKER_00]: Are you here to sell them? [SPEAKER_00]: Haggis tries to cover.

1:09:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I say that this is a forengu humor that is not acceptable at this business meeting that they're having and he kind of apologizes for quirk. [SPEAKER_04]: Be before you go any further. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm looking at the script. [SPEAKER_04]: What's written is a quarksis 28 million dead can't we just wound some of them and he continues to say very funny.

1:09:42 [SPEAKER_04]: I should have known better. [SPEAKER_04]: After all, who goes around killing 28 million people and the script says the region stops laughing. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, Mr. Terny was not anywhere near laughing right at this point in the day. [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was, he couldn't, he couldn't perform the emotional side of that script because he couldn't remember the words.

1:10:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But that was because of the stroke, right? [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: We think that there may have been on the reasons, but certainly that was probably it. [SPEAKER_04]: But at this point, all of us, all the crew, all of us just want to disseem to be old. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my bad.

1:10:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my bad. [SPEAKER_03]: Well we go to the promenade next we're on the upper level quarks having a private moment kind of a crisis of conscience here. [SPEAKER_03]: Gaila says he wants to retire. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but his [SPEAKER_03]: hand-picked successor cannot have a crisis of conscience and uh... gala explains you know have to look at all the planets out there he says half half the planets you're looking at or trying to destroy the other half of the planets just make money because who's gonna notice if one is gone if one of these planets disappeared there so many out there who would even notice i loved your listening in the scene arman you did a little like a little head pop when

1:10:58 [SPEAKER_03]: as you're kind of just absorbing his logic and trying to decide what you're how to handle all of this from moment on, from moment on, from moment on, I think, yeah, I can agree with that. [SPEAKER_03]: I loved that. [SPEAKER_03]: I loved it. [SPEAKER_03]: I loved it. [SPEAKER_03]: The behavior was natural and subtle and your listening was great.

1:11:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and and it's I'm sure Garrett is about to tell us this is right out of an horse and Wells movie I think it's a third man. [SPEAKER_04]: This is the same sort of speech. [SPEAKER_04]: Is that right, Garrett? [SPEAKER_00]: That is correct Gaila speech a cork is adapted from horse and well speech in Carol Reed's classic 1949 film the third man.

1:11:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, yeah, the the Star Trek writers were big film buffs and they would often, you know, excuse me, how often have we said, oh, they liked this movie. [SPEAKER_03]: They took this line or this moment from that movie. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it happens on every TV show. [SPEAKER_03]: It happened.

1:11:57 [SPEAKER_03]: We did it on Chuck. [SPEAKER_03]: every episode that was a movie that we were basing that, that, you know, plot on so it. [SPEAKER_00]: And the fans love that. [SPEAKER_00]: They do. [SPEAKER_00]: It's, they love it. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we go to watch it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's an Easter egg.

1:12:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It's an Easter egg. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: We go to Quarks quarter's next, Quark has a nightmare. [SPEAKER_03]: I wrote down great shots, said I thought this nightmare, where he's talking to the rest of the crew. [SPEAKER_03]: Cisco's there. [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't look so good.

1:12:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Quark mentions it. [SPEAKER_03]: Cisco says that's because I'm dead. [SPEAKER_03]: Kira says you're responsible for all of it. [SPEAKER_03]: Dax says how much money did you make? [SPEAKER_03]: You know, a Kira hopes you made enough money to buy a new conscious. [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just a nightmare of a scene Suddenly they're all around a doble table with lots of money in the wheel stops.

1:12:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Cisco says you lose quark pops up out of his nightmare [SPEAKER_00]: I like this sequence. [SPEAKER_00]: The disjointed sequence. [SPEAKER_00]: Great shot. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Great shot. [SPEAKER_04]: That's it. [SPEAKER_04]: There's one thing, Missy, perhaps too, except for the possibility of decks.

1:12:59 [SPEAKER_04]: All of them are not great friends, of course, at this point. [SPEAKER_04]: The one person that should have been in this night [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes. [SPEAKER_04]: The loss of Rome would be a sizable loss to quench, with the loss of Nog would be a sizable loss. [SPEAKER_00]: So how about Rome and Nog, both of them?

1:13:20 [SPEAKER_04]: And there's the two. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Agreed. [SPEAKER_00]: What does he care? [SPEAKER_04]: What does he care is? [SPEAKER_04]: It's just because it's been less than perfect with him. [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, but someone that he adores, someone that is family, someone that means a lot to him, that person being killed, [SPEAKER_03]: that's a wake up call.

1:13:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think to your even more to your point, all of these characters are not really aware of what you're, why would you be having a nightmare about these people when they don't, you're not as close to them as characters. [SPEAKER_03]: And they're not even involved in your story. [SPEAKER_03]: at best they're just yelling at you and threatening you.

1:13:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Odo, Cisco, Kira, you know, even DAX who's aware of the story has not been very sympathetic. [SPEAKER_03]: So if there had been instead of a B story that doesn't really do anything, if there have been seen, after seen, after seen, with not, with the cork going to each of these characters earlier and trying to get...

1:14:18 [SPEAKER_03]: some help, some validation, some validation and opening up or them giving some advice in a helpful way that he just can't seem to follow yet. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and then having this nightmare, it would have, the nightmare would have been loaded much, much better. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: The should have been a scene in my opinion, between him, either with Dax or with Wrong, saying, this is where I am.

1:14:42 [SPEAKER_04]: What am I going to do? [SPEAKER_04]: And with Wrong, Wrong, Saying you can't do this. [SPEAKER_04]: You can't sell arms. [SPEAKER_04]: Dax, saying you can't sell arms. [SPEAKER_04]: But then Quarcing, if I don't do it, I've got nowhere to go. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm out on the street, I have to do something.

1:14:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I have no other avenue. [SPEAKER_04]: He needed to explain his predicament in order to make the distress higher. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, he wakes up out of this nightmare, says to himself, what have I done? [SPEAKER_03]: He's hit a bit of a rock bottom here. [SPEAKER_03]: We go into ops. [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's whispering in this scene.

1:15:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Get the idea of it, but I have trouble hearing them to be honest. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was hard to eat. [SPEAKER_00]: It was hard to eat. [SPEAKER_00]: I did not. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I had my volume turned all the way up and I was just like, [SPEAKER_03]: What do you see in the whisper?

1:15:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Because the baby is asleep down in the pit where a Brian works, there was one nice moment. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, a note of when all their heads turn, nice and sharp together. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And neighbory raises his voice when he's had enough. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that's true.

1:15:53 [SPEAKER_03]: He does. [SPEAKER_03]: He does finally at the end. [SPEAKER_03]: We go to Dax's Quarters. [SPEAKER_03]: Quarters brought the Tonga wheel to give to her, but she says, get out of my quarters. [SPEAKER_03]: She ends up going in the better. [SPEAKER_03]: She doesn't want the Tonga wheel. [SPEAKER_03]: He says goodbye and realizes that he's got to do this alone.

1:16:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think he wanted her help? [SPEAKER_04]: Is that why he's come? [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't really be. [SPEAKER_00]: Is that what you think it is? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't as I was watching a what's your intention here, Norman. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what my intention is.

1:16:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought what his intention was was he knew he was doing something dangerous. [SPEAKER_03]: The one person that he could tell what he's doing. [SPEAKER_04]: Hmm. [SPEAKER_04]: Sharing. [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: and share it and say, you know, I think his intention was, I brought you this Tongue wheel.

1:16:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm giving it to you because I could die. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm probably going to die. [SPEAKER_03]: Here's why because I'm not going to let these people die 28 million people. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to do this thing that's very human. [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know if I'm doing the right thing because it's not what my people like that would have been a great conversation Yeah, yeah exactly and he might have been able to say I'm giving you this so you'll remember me And that's all he'd have to say so you'll remember me Well, he he does go by himself.

1:17:08 [SPEAKER_03]: He has down a quarter again said did a great shot here This reflection in the little side panel. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, of course stops and he turns around he has second thoughts for a moment talks himself [SPEAKER_03]: back into it, what's my life compared to the lives of 28 million people.

1:17:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Shot very simply, but elegantly with that reflection. [SPEAKER_04]: It was a lovely shot. [SPEAKER_04]: Would it been better? [SPEAKER_04]: I agree with you, if there had been more of a reflection, if there had been more of a mirror image, because it's very faint. [SPEAKER_04]: The idea is quite, quite good.

1:17:43 [SPEAKER_04]: But I wondered if there was slightly more of a more of a reflection, [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I think it would have, I mean, none of the panels on Voyager reflected very well. [SPEAKER_03]: It was whenever we tried to do that, it was very difficult. [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. [SPEAKER_03]: Was it scripted that he sees his reflection or was that something that I'm curious?

1:18:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I felt to me, it felt like a director find, like, you know, [SPEAKER_03]: Where they could do the scene and they both saw the discovered it and went wait a minute. [SPEAKER_03]: That would be cool But it also makes sense that they may have written that he talks to himself in a reflection Quark emerges from Dex quarters and catches his reflection in one of the black Companels on the wall [SPEAKER_04]: He stops to look at himself and there is a deletion and and a change actually I don't remember exactly how the dialogue goes in this in the episode But in the script it says nervous can't blame you.

1:18:50 [SPEAKER_04]: What's one life worth compared to the lives of 28 million people besides the worst Haggith can do is kill you my note to myself is somehow that was inverted. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it was That something that is at the end came first [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, the way it plays in the cut is nervous.

1:19:08 [SPEAKER_03]: The worst tageth can do is kill you. [SPEAKER_03]: What's one life compared to the lives doing? [SPEAKER_03]: People are way better. [SPEAKER_03]: Finishing with the thing that's driving him, the idea that's driving him forward. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, we're in Haggett's quarters now. [SPEAKER_04]: Haggett's quarters with Tolora and why is Tolora in this episode?

1:19:26 [SPEAKER_03]: No idea. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, just because they always like skimpy, what she's kind of, she's kind of like the bond, bond villain girl, is what she's in a way. [SPEAKER_00]: Look at her line. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she needed a line. [SPEAKER_03]: Quark tells Hageth that he cannot get this retrovirus, but he can get this new experimental biogenic weapon and Quark plans for a demonstration.

1:19:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Hageth says, do not fail at this and Quark says, so I want to succeed more than anyone. [SPEAKER_03]: So, because I'm finally out of debt. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and now the profits will come my way, so that's a very important point. [SPEAKER_04]: That is that you're right. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, get lost.

1:20:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, to me, because I'm with the subtext of what you're playing in the scene, and I know you wanted to [SPEAKER_03]: your plan, your secret plan to work more than anybody, but you covered it with the because I'm finally out of debt and I want these profits to keep coming.

1:20:30 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, yeah, that is an important cover. [SPEAKER_04]: And an important piece of information. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it's a cover, but it's an important piece of it. [SPEAKER_03]: But it's also true. [SPEAKER_03]: It's 100% true. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: So I wouldn't assume that his balance book is is now perfect.

1:20:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Perfect in the sense that there's no red ink, but there's no black ink either. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: Just zero. [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's whatever it's called, bounce down or whatever the impression is. [SPEAKER_03]: So we go out out in a corridor and Quark and Gail are running to meet someone.

1:21:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And Quark says, I told you there's somebody who wants you to meet. [SPEAKER_03]: We go in Quark's quarters. [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-oh, it's Nossick and there's some freedom fighters in there with her or whatever soldiers, rebels. [SPEAKER_03]: Gail drags him back out into the hallway and Gail is panicking here.

1:21:22 [SPEAKER_03]: quarks says they're gonna sell to both sides though. [SPEAKER_03]: Hageth will be pleased about all of this. [SPEAKER_04]: The beauty of what quark has been doing is not our no weapons. [SPEAKER_04]: It's our hollow suite. [SPEAKER_04]: It's all imaginary things. [SPEAKER_04]: It's all done with smoke and mirrors.

1:21:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: If he's bringing the real thing in, he's now violating the law. [SPEAKER_00]: That's true. [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. [SPEAKER_03]: But you do say we're going to go find a planet that has no life form. [SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to, you know, we're going to demonstrate it somewhere, but it's still breaking the law.

1:21:53 [SPEAKER_03]: You're right. [SPEAKER_03]: It's not well, now there's, it seems like big trouble because we've got the rebel. [SPEAKER_03]: We got the regent and before getting further. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: I again. [SPEAKER_04]: I love Sid, but I wish there had been a tighter picture of the general and her posse.

1:22:11 [SPEAKER_04]: I wish we had seen them up front and big and menacing with weapons, or if not weapons, big. [SPEAKER_04]: What was that episode where Dennis and somebody else were throwing darts at each other? [SPEAKER_04]: Something in that thing. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: so that we knew these were people to deal with, you know, these were menaces.

1:22:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, back to one of your earlier notes, you said there's too much comedy, and this, you know, literally running down the hall, too faring, he's running down the hall, you pop in the door, you say, Nosek, me and Gaila, Gaila, I mean Nosek, and then he drags you back out. [SPEAKER_03]: It's the door frame first, you know, hit, very chronic, classic, farce, [SPEAKER_03]: where yeah, I agree with you.

1:23:00 [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't seem imposing or important because they were just falling off in the background in the middle of a frantic comedy scene. [SPEAKER_00]: You couldn't even make out what they looked like they were so far away. [SPEAKER_00]: And the way they were poet-posed, it looked like they were an ad for like banana republic or some subtype of clothing company.

1:23:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, what's happening here? [SPEAKER_00]: So. [SPEAKER_00]: You're a good boy. [SPEAKER_03]: Rebel Republic. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You're a Rebel Republic. [SPEAKER_04]: They should have been managing that we were at the door. [SPEAKER_04]: Who's just the door? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

1:23:27 [SPEAKER_04]: They should have gone in the head guns. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm going. [SPEAKER_00]: John the Goats. [SPEAKER_00]: You guys should have been dragged in with guns at your heads, like, you know, like that. [SPEAKER_00]: Right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Good point, Armand. [SPEAKER_00]: Good point.

1:23:37 [SPEAKER_03]: So Quark ends the scene with his plan. [SPEAKER_03]: He's going to sell to both sides. [SPEAKER_03]: And he tells Gaila, keeps the general occupied for 20 minutes then take her to cargo bay five. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'll meet you there. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and then you did some kind of hand thing.

1:23:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I remember that was Joss's idea. [SPEAKER_04]: That was Josh's idea. [SPEAKER_04]: It looked in over that. [SPEAKER_04]: Was it like NBA basketball? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, something like that. [SPEAKER_04]: Then again, I think that was Josh playing the forengie. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

1:24:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that was his idea of playing the forengie. [SPEAKER_04]: And I've been doing it for just when along with. [SPEAKER_03]: So, do it a full. [SPEAKER_03]: You are the most beautiful friend you have ever met on that week. [SPEAKER_03]: I was. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you were and you should have got a second paycheck as a producer.

1:24:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you should have a baby soon for babies in a year. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, we go to cargo bay, Quark is kneeling by a container. [SPEAKER_03]: He can't open the case for some reason. [SPEAKER_03]: He says he needs a discrambler and he's going to be right back. [SPEAKER_03]: So he, you know, Haggeth is there.

1:24:40 [SPEAKER_03]: The region is there, but Quark's got a disappear for a minute. [SPEAKER_03]: For this discrambler, he'll be back shortly. [SPEAKER_03]: He runs out into the quarter. [SPEAKER_03]: And there's Gala with Nossic, the general, um, the rebel republic models rebel republic gang. [SPEAKER_03]: and they're heading right past him going into cargo bay five or six wherever he was supposed to meet them five five five they hadn't the cargo bay we hear the region say hagith what is she doing here it's a trap we hear some gunfire maybe and his or my work runs as I thought about that scene forgive me for carping all this and it's all hindsight it's 30 years of hindsight [SPEAKER_04]: I think Quark should have had a camera in there.

1:25:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he should have, he had to leave the room, we understand that. [SPEAKER_04]: But he should have been able to know what was happening just to protect himself. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Just to know what was happening in that room. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, he should scurry away as fast as he can, but he should still find out what happened.

1:25:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Because if for some reason, it didn't work out the way he thought it would. [SPEAKER_04]: Um, he would have to do a job. [SPEAKER_04]: He's hiding, he'd have to adjust. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I also thought this next scene in the promenade. [SPEAKER_03]: He walks out in the promenade and Odo runs by him with security saying, there's gunfire.

1:26:05 [SPEAKER_03]: We got to go into cargo bay five, seal the area. [SPEAKER_03]: It was a lot of assumption. [SPEAKER_03]: I think it would have been nice to see Quark tell Odo before this plan. [SPEAKER_03]: hey quirk meet me over in your cargo bay five i've got to tell you about this like quirk could have been smarter and set up a lot of the pieces so that the plan you do you if you had set up more pieces in our story i don't think you would have needed a camera because it all would have fallen right into place exactly how he planned it was a little [SPEAKER_03]: skimpy.

1:26:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Those skimpy. [SPEAKER_04]: I agree. [SPEAKER_04]: That's a lovely idea. [SPEAKER_04]: He should have set up with Odo. [SPEAKER_04]: You better check that out. [SPEAKER_04]: I think something's going to happen. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: And you better take the armed guards with you.

1:26:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just think that the way that the plan wrapped up was very risky and a little thin. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, very thin. [SPEAKER_03]: And I think if Quark had made some other moves to really, you know, ensure that this was going to work. [SPEAKER_03]: I would have been happier. [SPEAKER_04]: And the time it takes to go from cargo bay five and to the promenade.

1:27:09 [SPEAKER_04]: To the promenade. [SPEAKER_03]: They should have all been dead by then. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I thought the same thing. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know where the cargo bay is, but it's not. [SPEAKER_03]: It can't be that close. [SPEAKER_03]: It can't. [SPEAKER_03]: You have to go through the big portal.

1:27:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: And then come into the promenade. [SPEAKER_04]: That's enough time to kill everybody in the room. [SPEAKER_03]: That's, but yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: I agree. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Odo's off to deal with the gunfire and we cut to their Brian's quarters. [SPEAKER_03]: We're war-for-eye.

1:27:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't think it's Renee's voice. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm assuming he was there and said it. [SPEAKER_04]: Why didn't they have him close up? [SPEAKER_04]: That's a close up. [SPEAKER_04]: Why? [SPEAKER_04]: Why is it so fun to distance? [SPEAKER_04]: You're not even 100% sure that it is, Odo.

1:27:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because tyranny took up all the time. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: That's very possible. [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of a sheer close-up for anybody else. [SPEAKER_03]: We go into Miles' quarters, Warforives, and the O'Brien's quarters, and Miles has a full-time job looking after this baby, who just will cry every time he puts the baby down, and Warforice like he was supposed to be modifying the deflector array aboard the defiant, Miles just can't put the baby down, so he hands Warforve the baby for a second.

1:28:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And when he comes back in, the baby's not crying. [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, which I thought was very interesting, cause didn't wharf deliver their first baby, like he's got a baby phobia. [SPEAKER_03]: And for Worf to be the one to hold the baby, and that's the only one the baby doesn't cry with.

1:28:45 [SPEAKER_04]: And I will tell you a factual fact. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: Anything older than Curioci would have been crying because they were that close to Michael's makeup. [SPEAKER_04]: We learned that early on. [SPEAKER_03]: That's true. [SPEAKER_04]: There was anyone older than that. [SPEAKER_04]: They would cry at seeing the clingon or the food.

1:29:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, but in this episode, Warf is the Yoshi Whisperer, it's perfect. [SPEAKER_03]: I did like at the end of the scene, not only that Warf is the Yoshi Whisperer, but I like that Warf said, you know, I never saw my someone when he was this age, and it's something I'll always regret. [SPEAKER_03]: That really landed, I thought, in a beautiful way for the Warf character, that he, he was touched by that moment, and he tells Miles, you're a very fortunate man.

1:29:34 [SPEAKER_04]: In the mean find, there's a gunfight going on in Cargo B5. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You guys keep going at a good fight. [SPEAKER_00]: Faser fight. [SPEAKER_00]: But I will say this though. [SPEAKER_00]: It is the most substance in terms of dialogue that Warf is had since the show robbery.

1:29:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Are you kidding me? [SPEAKER_00]: You finally say something that means something. [SPEAKER_03]: But then they undercut it with a joke because he goes chief chief and it cuts over. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: He smiles is my way out sleep. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

1:30:02 [SPEAKER_03]: So instead of letting Warf have this moment [SPEAKER_00]: They backed off again, didn't they leave it and backed off? [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, okay. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we go into the captain's office and Cisco has some very serious charges here for Quark. [SPEAKER_03]: As you cite in segment to riot and danger in public safety, disregard, blah, blah, blah.

1:30:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Quark says, how was I supposed to, you know, know that everyone is going to start shooting? [SPEAKER_03]: How was I supposed to be playing very innocent there? [SPEAKER_04]: And remember, Odo doesn't allow weapons on the understation. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: Did we see weapons when you ran in and didn't do anything?

1:30:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I do. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, we saw it was clothes models. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true. [SPEAKER_00]: Close models. [SPEAKER_03]: But a cork does say to Cisco here, he says, well, you may not be happy about it, but 28 million people are happy about what I did. [SPEAKER_03]: Plus one, and that's intriguing to me.

1:30:59 [SPEAKER_04]: yeah because I would assume from that line six million people should a 28 million people should be happy and every says plus one. [SPEAKER_04]: So is that mean him? [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I thought. [SPEAKER_04]: But that's not the way he said it. [SPEAKER_04]: No. [SPEAKER_04]: Hi, that's it was 20 plus one.

1:31:22 [SPEAKER_04]: And and I went. [SPEAKER_04]: Are you happy or you're not happy? [SPEAKER_03]: Seems like you're not happy, but that other guy who's really happy, the guy you're angry about, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: But I did get that from him that it was 20 million plus him. [SPEAKER_03]: So there should have been a tiny bit of cracking the anger there.

1:31:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Just from moment, a moment when it didn't come. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Quarks says, surely, you know, we must be able to come up [SPEAKER_03]: shows you the cost of fixing the car, but it cost money. [SPEAKER_04]: The money. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, there is money and start fleet.

1:32:00 [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to cost them some money. [SPEAKER_03]: I saw a lot of money, but Corx says, well, maybe what about an installment plan? [SPEAKER_03]: And Cisco agrees that works for me. [SPEAKER_03]: So they're going to compromise here. [SPEAKER_03]: So now you're in debt again. [SPEAKER_03]: uh, armen you're going to be in debt.

1:32:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, that's right. [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. [SPEAKER_04]: This was said before. [SPEAKER_04]: It it evened out. [SPEAKER_04]: It was. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: You're blocking even now. [SPEAKER_04]: He's back in the red again. [SPEAKER_04]: And yet he seems very happy in the last thing.

1:32:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you saved 28 million people. [SPEAKER_03]: He should be proud of yourself. [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I should have said to him. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Or to or to decks in the next scene. [SPEAKER_03]: How much or 28 million people worth the cost of fixing that cargo by?

1:32:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, like that line, like that. [SPEAKER_00]: We also learned in this scene that Haggith and Gala are on the run now. [SPEAKER_00]: They're being pursued and that the region does dead. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: So, General Nosek was so mad. [SPEAKER_00]: She sent two purification squads, one, two, chase after Haggith and Gala and the other one was to chase after the region.

1:33:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Who was that dead, right? [SPEAKER_04]: So, here's a whole in my logic for this for the writing. [SPEAKER_04]: They're in a cargo bay. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: Two sides. [SPEAKER_04]: There's phase of fire. [SPEAKER_04]: Somehow, Gaelic it's out. [SPEAKER_04]: Haggith gets out.

1:33:21 [SPEAKER_04]: General NASA gets out. [SPEAKER_04]: The region gets out. [SPEAKER_04]: Either they're really bad shots. [SPEAKER_04]: How did that all happen? [SPEAKER_04]: Furthermore, how did they leave the station? [SPEAKER_04]: You can't just, I suppose you can just beam out to somewhere else, but the logic would be that you'd have to get in your ship and depart the station, which Odo would not have allowed because he and his man ran down to the cargo bay five.

1:33:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So they had to say transport. [SPEAKER_04]: How did they get out? [SPEAKER_00]: Like the side transporter, that's it. [SPEAKER_00]: It does seem sloppy. [SPEAKER_00]: It does seem sloppy. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the only way. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: It seems a little sloppy. [SPEAKER_00]: There's some holes in that.

1:34:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: My great. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we finished this episode in Dax's Quarters with Game Time, Dax and Quarque. [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, friends playing a little Tonga. [SPEAKER_04]: And they seem, you know, perfectly happy. [SPEAKER_04]: Nothing has happened during the last 43 minutes.

1:34:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Quarque wants his Tonga wheel back in this scene. [SPEAKER_00]: I think we could do like a cork-dax t-shirt with retreat, acquire, confront, evade, like Tonga words on there, something like that, right? [SPEAKER_04]: Don't you think they should have been some wrap up?

1:34:33 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you're good at that, that's nice, that's fine. [SPEAKER_04]: But she should have said, you know, you really shouldn't have done that cork, and I should have said I hadn't with a choice or something. [SPEAKER_03]: Or she should have said, so 28 million people, I'm proud of you.

1:34:52 [SPEAKER_04]: that would have been great. [SPEAKER_04]: That would have been great. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: That's eight words. [SPEAKER_03]: You're a good man or a good, you're a good one. [SPEAKER_03]: You did the right thing quack. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm the right thing. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, it would have lit up my world.

1:35:03 [SPEAKER_04]: It's it said that. [SPEAKER_00]: It's one line. [SPEAKER_00]: That's all we needed. [SPEAKER_04]: I've worked on a quicker than tyranny would have done it. [SPEAKER_03]: I've worked on shows where the writers are really great with, you know, procedural stories. [SPEAKER_03]: but they don't know how to write the heart of characters.

1:35:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And I've done shows where writers are really good about writing feelings, but don't know how to tell a story that has twists and turns. [SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes I feel like the Star Trek writers miss out on these, [SPEAKER_03]: the heartstrings and the souls of relationships and characters because they're really good at sci-fi stories, but they depend on the actors to somehow tell the part of the story that's that's got heart, or got feeling, or relationship.

1:35:52 [SPEAKER_04]: I would have loved some more lines about the dilemma of selling arms, having a conscience, and being destitute. [SPEAKER_04]: I would have loved more lines, or even what is the morality of selling guns? [SPEAKER_04]: It seemed all right to sell to the Bajorans, but it's not all right to sell to the region.

1:36:13 [SPEAKER_04]: That region was an arms. [SPEAKER_04]: He was using a vaccine to kill off people. [SPEAKER_04]: That's horrendous. [SPEAKER_04]: But selling arms and let's be honest, Starfleet has lots of weapons. [SPEAKER_04]: What is the defiant? [SPEAKER_04]: But a warship with lots of weapons. [SPEAKER_04]: They don't seem to mind those weapons.

1:36:31 [SPEAKER_04]: But I wanted more of that. [SPEAKER_04]: That's why, as I said at the very beginning of this podcast, I loved it when I thought about it years ago. [SPEAKER_04]: But now that I look at it now, I just see where it could have been better. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's interesting though, Armin, because I've heard so many Star Trek fans say, [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen Voyager a hundred times.

1:36:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen every episode a hundred times. [SPEAKER_03]: Why did they watch it over and over? [SPEAKER_03]: For this very reason because at different times in your life, you might see it a little differently. [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's okay that you your feelings before were just as valid as your feelings now and you may watch it again and have a new understanding or a new insight into something.

1:37:15 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's what I love about Star Trek because you can look at it over and over again. [SPEAKER_00]: That's very insightful, and that makes a lot of sense. [SPEAKER_00]: Different phases of your life, you resonate with different parts of an episode. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it may have been amazing 30 years ago, but now it resonates differently.

1:37:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And not that that's a bad thing. [SPEAKER_00]: It could be a good thing, too. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't mean this is a bad thing. [SPEAKER_04]: But when I talked about it the first time, I was very egocentric. [SPEAKER_04]: It was a wonderful episode for Armon and Quark.

1:37:44 [SPEAKER_04]: So one track is like, a lot of scenes. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, a lot of scenes. [SPEAKER_04]: And I had something to do and wasn't all that comic. [SPEAKER_04]: It was a wonderful episode, much better than some of the others in my opinion, but now that I look at it compared with all the episodes that I've been watching, I go, it doesn't match up to some of the better ones that I've seen other on the show.

1:38:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know what Armin, I will say, when the Star Trek Voyager viewers first saw the episode Threshold. [SPEAKER_03]: They were shocked and horrified it and thought it was the worst episode they'd ever seen. [SPEAKER_03]: But now they watch Threshold and they kind of go, well, it's not as bad, maybe just the ending, not like there's some good stuff.

1:38:28 [SPEAKER_03]: So sometimes you can think in episode as horrible, [SPEAKER_03]: and and look at stop laughing here I don't know I'm sorry I didn't really was one of the most hated episodes but that's my last version but people have turned and kind of gone wait a minute there's some good ideas in there there's good performance in there so the ending is kind of silly and ridiculous but [SPEAKER_00]: It's like how a arman reviewed hand it.

1:38:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't like the ending, but everything else is great. [SPEAKER_00]: I think everything before, in threshold, it's a good episode, especially for you. [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was universally hated. [SPEAKER_00]: Because of the ending though, Robbie. [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I like not the entire episode.

1:39:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Just the ending was so wacky. [SPEAKER_00]: That's all. [SPEAKER_00]: That's all, dude. [SPEAKER_03]: But now, years later, people are appreciating it. [SPEAKER_03]: People are appreciating it. [SPEAKER_03]: So this can happen with Star Trek. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's okay, love about it. [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, Robbie, what is your theme slash less is less moral for this episode?

1:39:29 [SPEAKER_03]: My theme slash less and slash moral is morals and ethics are more important than short-term profit. [SPEAKER_03]: and that your moral compass will always tell you what's right. [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I got from that. [SPEAKER_00]: I like it. [SPEAKER_00]: I like it. [SPEAKER_04]: I have three.

1:39:46 [SPEAKER_04]: The first one is number 62. [SPEAKER_04]: The riskier the road, the greater the profit. [SPEAKER_04]: That's number one. [SPEAKER_04]: Number two, desperation is like stealing from the mafia. [SPEAKER_04]: You stand a good chance of attracting annihilation. [SPEAKER_04]: Number three, if we disregard our principles, we'll open our eyes one day and won't be able to recognize our world anymore.

1:40:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, okay, I like that one. [SPEAKER_00]: My theme slash lesson slash moral is also the name of the 1989 Spike Lee film. [SPEAKER_00]: Do the right thing. [SPEAKER_04]: But what is the right thing? [SPEAKER_04]: That's what they had. [SPEAKER_00]: You got to know inside of you. [SPEAKER_00]: You have to have a moral compass.

1:40:35 [SPEAKER_03]: So was it wrong to sell weapons to the majority? [SPEAKER_03]: It may be wrong for some people. [SPEAKER_03]: That may be wrong. [SPEAKER_03]: Is it wrong to sell weapons to the Federation? [SPEAKER_03]: Is it right and wrong objective or subjective? [SPEAKER_03]: Subjective. [SPEAKER_04]: I think it is.

1:40:50 [SPEAKER_03]: So what is the right thing? [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I wanted them to investigate. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Our Patreon poll winner for the theme slash less and slash more of this episode is submitted by Lauren some things are more important than money when you're dead broke.

1:41:08 [SPEAKER_03]: When you're drowning when you're up to your tears, I love to your lows. [SPEAKER_03]: Then what do you do if you're going to drown or yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: these ethical questions and and in the beginning gala was just saying we just need you to be a host we just need you to entertain right it's it's that first step it's a slippery slope yes I remember once uh I was unset and there was a moral ethical question from one of the departments [SPEAKER_03]: And our director of that episode, her father was a philosophy professor at Harvard, I think.

1:41:46 [SPEAKER_03]: So we said, call your dad and ask him if we're doing, which, what's the right thing to do? [SPEAKER_03]: We didn't get a straight answer from him as you would expect for a philosophy professor. [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, well, that depends. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, of course, of course. [SPEAKER_00]: That's funny.

1:42:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I love it. [SPEAKER_03]: What's our next episode, Garrett? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, of course. [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, I just want to thank everyone for tuning in to our recap and discussion of this episode, business as usual. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you to Armin for hosting.

1:42:18 [SPEAKER_04]: and my apologies for being such a carping on almost every aspect of this episode. [SPEAKER_03]: I loved your memories and experiences though. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for sharing all that. [SPEAKER_03]: We appreciate that. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, so join us next time when we will be recapping and discussing the episode ties of blood and water.

1:42:38 [SPEAKER_00]: with tear fair. [SPEAKER_00]: So until that time for all of the Patreon patrons out there, please stay tuned for your bonus material, a little bit more armin, and for everyone else, we will see you next time with Terry. [SPEAKER_00]: Bye. [SPEAKER_04]: Bye. [SPEAKER_04]: Bye.