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The Dispatch Podcast

How The U.S. Racked Up Its $40 Trillion Debt

Dienstag, 25. August 2026 · 1 h 21

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Steve Hayes is joined by Jonah Goldberg, Kevin Williamson, and Mike Warren to discuss the U.S. crossing the $40 trillion debt threshold and the prospect of “growing our way out of it.”

The Agenda:

—Kevin explains how we got here

—Entitlement spending

—What would Paul Ryan do

—The DOGE effort

—Growing our way out of debt

—NWYT: Adulthood disappointments

Show notes:

—Kevin's Wanderland (thedispatch.com/newsletter/wanderland/trump-va…)

—Kevin on the tragedy of U.S. debt (thedispatch.com/article/debt-gdp-interest-rate…)

—Steve Hayes on DOGE (thedispatch.com/article/doge-elon-debt-deficit…)

—"DOGE—the UNIPARTY killed it because it was working too well." (x.com/GenFlynn/status/2091850393223307265?s=20)

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