664: An Atheist Says America Needs Jesus with Jonathan Rauch

Donald Trump launched a global trade war because he thinks America's trade deficit makes us "losers," but does he even understand what a trade deficit is? Phil introduces a new segment full of statistics that make Kaitlyn and Skye groan. And they discuss David Brooks' new article in The Atlantic, which compares this moment in U.S. history to the era of Andrew Jackson, and offers hope for what may come after MAGA. Skye interviews Jonathan Rauch about his new book, "Cross Purposes." Rauch, an atheist, says his antagonism toward Christianity changed when he came to see how vital it is to American democracy and why evangelicals' failure to follow Jesus is putting the whole country at risk.

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0:00 - Show Starts

3:05 - Theme Song

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7:12 - Stock Market Crash!

15:49 - How Idols Steal from Us

20:36 - DEI Removal

27:50 - Nihilism

41:20 - How Do Things Get Better?

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50:30 - Interview

55:04 - Secularization's Consequences

1:06:22 - Christianity as an Exilic Religion

1:15:20 - Evangelism as Market-Driven Religion

1:26:52 - End Credits

Links from News Segment:
David Brooks Article:
theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2025/05/trump…

Other Resources:
Cross Purposes: Christianity's Broken Bargain with Democracy by Jonathan Rauch:
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