The Complete Hulk Hogan: An Interview with Mark Weiss, Oui Photographer

0:16 It's the lapsed fan wrestling podcast special report.

0:19 The lapsed fan presents the complete Hulk Hogan, a real American story brought to you by garage beer. All right, boss, you know, on the complete Hulk Hogan, we really take pride in finding folks that came in and out of Hulk's life at very important points.

0:36 Right.

0:37 But might not be thought of as the first person you'd come to for memories of the Hulkster. And when we went through the November, 1982, issue of We Magazine and that famous photo shoot of the Hulkster. I just felt like we had to try to get closer to that story. Didn't you feel that way?

0:53 I mean, that's the only thing we can do, honest to God. There's obviously a story that needs to be told.

1:01 Yes, and we did our damnedest. And we are absolutely thrilled to welcome to the lapsed fan and the complete Hulk Hogan, Mark Weiss. Mark is a photographer who shot the photos of Hulk Hogan in the that famous spread before he was the WWF superhero, but coming off of Rocky III and the Thunderlips era. Mark, thank you so much for joining us.

1:22 You're welcome. Thanks for having me. Actually, I was quite surprised that it took 40 plus years for someone to like find me and tell my side of the story.

1:32 I'm glad to hear you say that. So you remember it well. Yeah, man, just go. I mean, what can you tell us about how that all happened?

1:41 Yeah. Well, I was always been a, you know, wrestling fan, you know, channel nine, we're talking middle mass grass and, uh, uh, you know, Andre in the day when, when it was black and white almost, cause I'm 67 now. And so when I was like, you know, eight, nine years old, we used to put it on channel nine in New Jersey and, and watch it, you know, on Thursday, Friday nights or whenever it was. Um, and then when it became a little more glamorized, it was like, you know, exciting, but, uh, uh, In the 80s, I became enthralled with rock and roll.

2:11 And I was, you know, I was once, like Van Halen came out in 78. I started shooting for them, shooting for Circus Magazine, actually. Oh, yeah. And became their staff photographer after sneaking my camera in in 76, 77 in the garden, selling for a buck a piece. And then when I became Circus Magazine photographer at 18, you know, shooting Van Halen backstage and all that, it snowballed into...

2:38 a career, you know, 50 years later, 45 years later. Being Ozzy's photographer, Motley Crue, Aerosmith, Guns N' Roses, you know, shooting, you know, things with all the bands that are still relevant today. Bon Jovi, including, you know, Slippery When Wet, doing a bunch of album covers, like Stay Hungry from Swizz the Sister.

3:02 How accomplished you are, Mark. That's wild. But still, the most famous bassist you've ever photographed is Hulk Hogan.

3:08 Let's be clear about that. Exactly. Let's go back to the Hulk. So back when I'm shooting all these rock and rollers, you know, creating a name for myself through music and through circus, I started working for this magazine called Faces. And Michael Kirk, who was like my best buddy, who I met in the late 70s, he ended up being the music editor for We Magazine because... Oh, he was, he was, uh, his girlfriend was rusty Hamilton, who was AKA cherry bomb, who, uh, did a lot of the spreads and I, and I started doing women, you know, men's magazine stuff. So here I am a 21, 20 year old kid doing all these site, you know, photos for the men's magazine traveling around the world. So, you know, I had a nice beginning into my career. Uh, So

4:03 how it segued into We Magazine, Michael Kirk ended up being the music editor for We Magazine in 1982. And we started and we were best buds. So we started doing he came up with an idea. We came up with an idea to do rock stars and naked women kind of concepts. So we did Ozzy in a coffin with, you know, girls around him. We did Joe Perry with my girlfriend at the time, Denise, in my house in New Jersey with motorcycles and cars and all that. And we did Motley Crue, their first national spread. And I think, too, a bunch of craziness going on there. That's my first time I met those guys. I bet. And, you know, anytime I meet these guys, I become fast friends. and get access and get them in the magazines. And publicists

5:00 weren't crazy about the idea because most of them were women. And it was kind of tongue in cheek. It wasn't too crazy. You know, usually the artists kind of take over the shoot on it, however far they wanted to go. Like Motorhead, Lemmy and Filthy Phil, they went a little crazy. We got some, some stars of the movie screen involved that they picked. And yeah, Uh, but, uh, for Hulk, we, uh, what we did was we went to, um, uh, so anyway, so Michael said, you know, we're going to stretch a little bit and instead of rock stars, let's, let's throw, let's do something different. I said, you know, Hulk's kind of like a rock star. So let's, let's, uh, let's put him in the mix and just raise some attention.

5:44 So the editor loved it of the magazine, Peter Wolf. Uh, and, uh, we went to LA. and we went to this uh modeling agency called the jim south modeling agency this is where we got the girls from ottley crew we just kind of go on this and these girls would be like in the back rooms and you know hanging out and people would hire them for whatever whether it was a porn movie or or or a sexy shoot or something or yeah those that weren't shy pretty.

6:14 Much right right and we were just like models yeah yeah yeah and we would.

6:20 Go we would go in there uh and look at the books and say, oh, we like this one. And Michael would pick one. We take turns. You pick one, I pick one. And, you know, we're both single at the time. Him and Rusty broke up and I didn't have a girlfriend at the time. So it's like, you know, we're like, you know, kids in heaven. Yeah, right. And we're, so we got a bunch of girls. We got like, for Hulk, we got like, we figured, all right, Hulk needs a lot of girls because he's a big guy.

6:48 You know, for the other ones, we have like one or two, you know. Uh, but Hulk, we got, I think we got four or five. I mean, you guys know how many were there, but there were five, five. And then we went and the house that we used was, um, uh, on Arden's house, uh, who is, uh, Sharon Osbourne's father.

7:11 And I was working with Ozzy at the time. And I told her I was doing a shoot like we did with Ozzy, but we're looking for a location, like a pool. And she said, Oh, you use, um, I think it was her father's house. It was a rented house, but she gave us permission to, you know, go in the house or Don did. And that's where we did the shoot, somewhere in Hollywood. I don't know where. And, you know, everyone just showed up, you know, and we started taking pictures. You know, we put the hats on or the masks and just having fun, you know. And I got in a photo at the end with the girls and Hulk, you know, and there's a skinny little me and like, you know. So that was kind of fun.

7:55 And I thought Hulk, Hulk at the time was already a big star. I mean, was he, or was he just, the movie came out or.

8:03 I mean, he wasn't, he wasn't Hulk Hogan yet. He was, he was, he was like, yeah, the movie had just come out and that was kind of his, his kind of biggest moment at that point.

8:13 That was, but he was wrestling. He was wrestling for that.

8:16 And, and, For sure.

8:18 He had wrestled in New York in the shows you would have been watching from November 79 until when this shoot probably took place, which I'd imagine would be early 82 because Rocky came out in May.

8:31 So he wasn't like a bona fide wrestling star then?

8:35 He was a bona fide wrestling star, I would say. He was, but the difference was on a more regional basis. So fans in New York would know him in 80 and 81. Fans in Minneapolis would know him at this time. But Hulk Hogan went on to become this global name. So by comparison, he hadn't reached that stature yet. But certainly, I mean, that's how he got on Sly Stallone's radar for the role in the first place. Right.

8:58 So he wasn't– was he– I'm sorry? Was he a champion? I mean, did he win the belt or– No.

9:08 No, he hadn't won the belt yet. He had challenged for it several times. You probably remember Bob Backlund. He went against Bob Backlund several times for the belt but didn't win it. wrestled Andre several times before this shoot, and he was chasing the belt in Minneapolis in the AWA, as it was called. And it just turned into a big good guy. But I did wonder, Mark, I mean, what was your sense as to how he got picked?

9:29 Was it because you were a wrestling fan, or was it because people knew he was going to be in Rocky?

9:34 Oh, it was the Rocky connection, of course. Yeah. Yeah. So Rocky was already out at that time, or was it coming out?

9:42 Well, I mean, the magazine is November 82 on the cover. The movie came out in May of 82. I don't know if these photos were shot after the movie came out or before. Was there a timeframe that you would have? Like you'd shoot and then such and such time would happen and then it would be in the magazine? or was there a kind of, you know.

10:01 It would be at least a couple of months, a couple of months, but I'm assuming the movie came out and there was a buzz going on. I mean, you read the, I mean, the other thing that no one really knows, like why did we interview his mother? My boy Hulk. Yes. All right. Well, Hulk was supposed to do the interview. And I don't know if he got spooked by the idea that after we did our shoot, he was having fun. You know, see, the thing is, it sounds like a good idea on paper. You get press, you're in a national magazine. You know, I don't know if he knew the girls were going to be half naked.

10:39 I think he did because, you know, we told him. But, you know, for him and for us guys, that's like a fun day, you know?

10:47 Yeah, absolutely.

10:49 And he had fun. I mean, you know, he was grabbing and, you know, smiling and going in the pool. And, you know, there's photos in there that there were a little bit more obscure that we didn't put in the magazine, obviously, out of respect.

11:04 When you say obscure, what do you mean?

11:08 Well, just, you know, things that we don't talk about.

11:12 Things of that nature.

11:16 Understood.

11:17 That's great, man. pleasure it was i think it.

11:19 Wasn't that it was harmless there was no no orgies going on or anything like that but you know you know you grab a boob here and you grab a boob there i don't even know if the photos that they show us he was grabbing boobs but.

11:30 There's just one there's one there's one where she's where a woman is straddling him and he's got a handful.

11:37 Oh okay and there was some boobs in the face of course you know you know i don't know if they use those so but um Yeah. So anyway, so Hulk maybe got cold feet or whatever about doing the interview after we did these photos. He's nervous. And he canceled. So Michael put on his thinking cap and said, you know what? Let's get his mother. Let's reach out to his mother. So we did it. did an interview with his, with his mother and we call it my boy Hulk.

12:14 And I, I read it at the time. I don't know what it said. It was nothing too crazy, obviously, but you know, we wanted to get a little bit more out of it since it went with the spread, but it was kind of funny and kind of anticlimactic by the mother being interviewed, telling the story with these naked girls. You know, it's not like an us magazine spread where it's like, you know, you would interview the mother and the father and the, the teacher from down the street, you know what I mean? So, uh, it was a kind of a contrast. So it works either way.

12:46 You know, it works if the article was just talks about, I don't know. I mean, you read it. I mean, what did it say in it?

12:55 Yeah. Well, she, she really just reflects for the first time in print on his whole background, how he was, you know, a big time baseball player when he was a kid and his rock career and how he transitioned into wrestling and, she even does a fabulous thing where she kind of like leans into this mythology they created about how he was from California and discovered in California, which is all, you know, wrestling, uh, fantasy, but she plays that part and she seemed more than happy to kind of remember him. And it was great. I mean, it's fascinating to hear Mark, you say that that was kind of a plan B because it looked like a pretty inspired choice to interview her for really the first time.

13:32 Yeah, that's cool. I never even knew that. And sadly, uh, I'm very good friends with Bam Margera and he hung out with him for like, I don't know when he met him, but probably like the year that he passed. And I remember he was going to see Yngwie Malmsteen who I've done album covers for and shot, you know, guitar player, rock guitar player. And he called me up, you know, from, cause he, he, you know, Bam calls me when he's with the rockers. Hey, he says hi and this and that. And he's like, Oh, Hulk's here too.

14:02 I bought Hulk. He's a real rocker. And I never talked to him. I never released the photos outside of WE Magazine. I mean, I have them all. And I wanted to talk to him. And he's like, oh, Mark, Ingve came in or something. And he couldn't put me on with him. But I wanted to confront him on the photos and just get his take on it. But it never happened.

14:28 Well, he does in his second book kind of talk about And this might be part of why he got cold feet because he meets his future wife, Linda, too, as well. I think by the time it hit newsstands, he may have been going out with her. According to his second book, he was able to, I guess for lack of a better term, hide it from her until they resurfaced. Once he hit it big, some publication ran with it as like Hulk's– hulk's porno past according to him.

14:59 Yeah yeah have you seen that article.

15:02 No not the hulk's porno past no and i wouldn't put it past hulk to just invent that but for for lack of a for lack of a more specifics it seems like he was in a situation where it was like on the the newsstands when they're at the grocery store and he's trying to like grab them all and hide them and buy them and But then there was a fight, according to him, in the book about the timeline and when did you do this. So it happened at an interesting time for him. Yeah, you should check out his second book. It's in there. I'll send it to you. It's pretty funny.

15:33 Does he mention anything to the photographer or anything like that? Or did he just kind of reference the magazine and the spread?

15:39 Yeah, he references the fact that he had done it. But he doesn't really talk about the personalities involved. It was more like I had done this back in the day.

15:48 Yeah. Yeah. So when did his wife, who he married, is Linda, right?

15:56 That's right. Yeah, his first wife.

15:58 So when did they get married? 1983. Oh, okay. So yeah, that was probably when they met. And so, all right, you know.

16:06 They were dating, yeah. I think he was, yeah.

16:09 I wonder if they were dating even at the time, because if they weren't dating, then it doesn't matter. So maybe they Like we're dating, but they weren't serious or they were serious and he wanted to have a little fun before it got serious. Who knows?

16:22 That's what it seems like.

16:22 Yeah.

16:23 That's what it seems like.

16:24 Yeah. Yeah.

16:27 But it's just so fascinating for wrestling fans to realize that he had done this. Do you think part of the reason that he was thought of for a photo shoot like this was because the character in the movie is like the ultimate male and is supposed to have women hanging off of him? Or is that just like a coincidence?

16:43 No. i know i mean that was the reason of course you know i mean like he was this macho man and he was the hulk and they were you know and you know guys and girls go together when you're you know you're at that statute and you know the rocky connection so now we got in the headlines you know we got the rocky three it was a rocky.

17:08 Three It was Rocky III. Yes, it was.

17:10 Yeah. So now we have We Magazine. They can sensationalize the fact that Sylvester Stallone is kind of being talked about in the magazine as well. I see. So it all ties together.

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17:41 Sensationalism, I guess they call it. Sure.

17:44 It was a fascinating spread for the time because Hulk had this career before the big national run that this is kind of a part of, but he's just now becoming this sensation. It's interesting, Mark, to hear you talk about it as something that happened because of the movie because as we go chronologically through his career, we found that around the fall of 1980... He was on television back when Freddie Blassie was his manager. And he's talking on WWF television about getting this offer to do a centerfold, as he put it. And Vince McMahon, who's doing the interviewing, is like, oh, really? Is it going to be nude and all this? And they're kind of playing it up for laughs. But we always wondered if that was like

18:22 a separate thing or if as early as 1980, he may have.

18:25 Reached out to him. That had nothing to do with us because we started in 82. That's great clarity. Definitely. That's a, that's a fat clear up right there. Um, but I.

18:39 Mean, what was he like on, I mean, you kind of already described it, but during the shoot, yeah.

18:43 Go ahead. Cause he, cause he looks a little in some of the pictures, he kind of looks a little uncomfortable.

18:48 He was nervous. Yeah. They're always, they're always nervous. Ozzy was nervous. You know, I mean, Sharon was in the room when, you know, when the girls were there and putting him in the coffin with boobs in his face, you know, but, uh, but, um, Joe Perry was nervous. I mean, I guess, cause it was my girlfriend. I said, no, it's like, you can do whatever you go for it.

19:09 You know, it's like, you know, uh, the motorhead guys weren't, but, uh, all right. Sorry about that.

19:18 Yeah.

19:18 So, But he was nervous. Yeah, he was nervous. A few times I had to take his hands and put them on him. It's okay. It's all right. I said, these girls are professionals, just like you. Just look at it as another wrestling match with four girls. That was it. And then he loosened up a little bit. And once the girls gave him the permission to be comfortable by touching or grabbing or whatever he did, You know, then he was funded time you know then it was all like yeah all right now i'm just gonna have fun if you're there taking pictures great i'm just gonna have fun i.

19:56 Love it did he um as far as the girls go you had mentioned that you'd get them from from agencies when you're out in cal but you said new york when you're in california with these girls going.

20:06 Up Yeah, when I was in California, there was this infamous guy named Jim South Modeling Agency up in the valley somewhere. And so every time we needed girls, we would go there. And, you know, it was just a real, I don't know what you call it, but it was a real guy that's a real character. And that's what we did. That's how we got the girls. And we just tried to match them up with the characters that we were photographing. Wow. When did Hulk become, like, the champ? 84.

20:43 All right. So I guess because of Rocky, I guess the Federation said, all right, this is our new guy.

20:55 I think that's a really safe bet, yeah, to say that. Because, you know, Vince McMahon took the company over from his father in 1982.

21:01 And....

21:04 Was kind of scouring the landscape for who he was going to go with. This is national play, you know, kind of ending the era of wrestling being split up into geographic kingdoms, you know what I'm saying?

21:15 Right, right.

21:15 So I think this probably had a lot to do with it because it just showed that he shined on the silver screen. What was kind of, I think, awkward probably for Hulk is that when he was offered the movie, he was playing this big preening bad guy, cocky, arrogant, God's gift to women character. But by the time the movie came out, He was a superhero.

21:36 Right.

21:36 The group up in Minnesota had cast him as like the ultimate good guy all of a sudden. So then this hits the newsstands. I wonder if that was part of it too. It's like, oh man, I'm like this paragon of virtue and here's this spread.

21:50 It'd be one thing if.

21:50 He was still the bad guy, you know?

21:52 Yeah.

21:54 Yeah. So what is, you said you've been surprised to not hear about it. All these years.

22:02 Yeah.

22:02 Well, what's been your thoughts about that? Like, I've got Hulk Hogan here. Like, this is kind of wild.

22:06 Say that? Let me hear that again. What question?

22:13 Sure.

22:13 So you'd said at the top of the interview, you know, I've been surprised it's been so long since anybody's asked me about this.

22:17 Oh, yeah, yeah.

22:19 What's been your expectation?

22:20 Yeah. I mean, I kind of didn't want to release him. You know, especially when he was going through divorce, I could have went to TMZ and said, guess what I got? But I didn't want to go that route, you know, out of respect, you know, because I built my career out of trust and whatnot. Even though I had no connection with Hulk, I still liked him. I liked his character.

22:44 And the fact that he was getting through some troubles, I didn't want to add another, you know, nail on the coffin.

22:50 I see.

22:52 So I didn't capitalize on what I had. Uh, and.

22:58 None of the documentarians, none of the documentaries decided to come and knock on your door and ask about it. No, no.

23:04 That's what I'm saying. You're the first guys. And, and I will be doing like, uh, I mean, I have a book now called the decade that rocked, which is my, you know, my career and how I became a photographer. It's a big coffee table book that you can still get. It's been out for like five or six years, but it was a big seller. It's still up in the charts.

23:24 And Guns N' Roses on the cover is a lot of Ozzy. And in 1983, when I talk about 82, when I talk about We Magazine, because I did a spread with Motley Crue because they're rock and roll. But I wanted to I just I just wanted to put a picture of Hulk in the back in my chapter.

23:43 Yes.

23:43 The chapter opener. There's a lot of little photos in it. You know, things that might not really make sense. Like I put in 19. 1980, I put a cover I did of Cherry Bomb, you know, a Christmas cover. I put that in there, you know, because I talk about it later on, but it's not doesn't, you know, I'm not going to give her a spread or she's not a rock star. With Hulk, I just felt like I needed to put him in there. So it's just a photo of him, not even with a girl. I don't think he's with the girls, but I think it's just one of them. It might be, but I think it's a photo of just him because I did photos of just him kind of posing, you know, in his little speedo.

24:18 Yeah.

24:19 Doing the flex and the whole thing. But it might have been the one with the girls. I probably would have. But there's a little photo of him in my book.

24:28 It's funny you mention that time period where he was going through the troubles because I'm remembering it now. During the course of that lawsuit, there was basically a defense of him as being a private person who was taken advantage of with the sex tape and everything and being put out there. And one of the things that the attorneys punching back at that said is that he did basically this nude shoot in 1982. He's hardly a guy that's afraid of being like.

24:59 Insuggestive. Was that brought up in the deposition?

25:03 I guess you could say deposition, yeah. I just know it was brought up in the court papers. Maybe it was brought up in just a counter argument.

25:08 Yeah, it was.

25:09 It was kind of like this isn't a guy who can claim he's never been in a situation where there's nudity on tape or something like that.

25:17 Did they discuss that at all, or was it just like this is his character kind of thing?

25:23 Yeah, it was brought up in a filing to counteract his argument that his right to be private on that kind of stuff was violated. It was like, well, actually, you've already been in a situation like this before, and it was published. It's not exactly the same thing, but it's funny how this kind of trailed him. Obviously, it's It must have been weird for you, Mark, to see this guy become, you know, the superhero of the 80s.

25:48 And it's like, that's the guy I photographed. He's a different guy then.

25:53 I know. I know. I felt bad for him when he was going through all that. But, you know.

25:57 Yeah.

25:58 People drift apart. He's a superstar. People have, you know, their needs, I guess, if they're not met. And he's just like a guy like everyone else, you know.

26:09 There's been.

26:10 people have said before, and I think it's absolutely not true looking at the pictures, but there is one where it looks like it suggesting that one of the girls is actually Linda. It's absolutely not true.

26:19 Oh no. Yeah. It's true. I know which one you're talking about too.

26:24 Oh, do you really?

26:25 Yeah. That's the one I was trying to hit on. That's a great one.

26:31 Thanks for that one.

26:31 That was great.

26:32 Um, well man, JP, anything else for Mark? I can't believe we've got the man behind the camera here.

26:37 I know.

26:37 I'm trying to think, um, think he was nervous because like uh people were like coming up behind him and stuff that he didn't have like full awareness of like where he was no.

26:50 It was it was a private shoot it was just the girls and me and michael um we're just nervous because you know everyone is nervous when they're around naked girls and in daylight yet you know.

27:03 Was uh was uh you know i mean not necessarily this one in particular but Were there ever, did you ever hear about any of your subjects kind of, you know, having some fun later on after the shoot was over with some of the ladies?

27:22 Oh, I mean, Motley Crue was, that's like a given, you know, after the shoot, we went back to the rainbow and, you know, there's like, you know, girls underneath the tables, you know what I mean? We didn't, we don't know which girls were doing who, you know what I mean? Amazing. Yeah.

27:40 I mean, that's gotta be something.

27:41 I mean, yeah.

27:42 One thing is after the shoot, how about during the shoot? Did you ever have to slow folks down?

27:46 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Actually. Yes. Rick James.

27:50 What happened there?

27:52 He just, uh, you know, he's getting funky, you know, he's, he's, he was grabbing and kissing and, you know, all that stuff. And, you know, and they weren't really that. I don't know why he picked those girls. Like one was, was Michael Kirk's, uh, fiance at the time her girlfriend Patty and the other one was one that he picked and I wouldn't have picked her but you know everyone's got their own taste yeah that's true and yeah he was sucking face and doing all sorts of things and but nothing like I don't know what they did after the shoot I'm sure they hooked up or something who knows I don't know.

28:28 Yeah it was definitely it was a two-way street thing it wasn't like Rick knock it off like it was like okay well these two have to handle this later kind of sounds like.

28:37 Amazing stories man Yeah.

28:39 And my other connection with wrestling is I did a photo shoot in. That's fine. I got my my bladder removed six months ago. I have bladder cancer and it's like you don't know when you have to. There's a public service announcement right now. Yeah. Yeah. you don't know when you have to urinate. So you have to set a timer, you know, so every two hours, it's not on the clock. So I'm okay. I'm not leaking right now.

29:10 Thanks for clarifying.

29:14 I am cancer free now.

29:15 That's amazing.

29:16 I was battling it for three years and it got worse. And finally, it's like, if you don't take it out now, you're screwed. And, and what they do is they make a, they have a thing called a neobladder. My doctor, Dr. Svakanos over at Mount Sinai did the surgery and they basically make a bladder out of your intestines. And it's micro robotic. I don't have any scars. anymore you know it's only been six months and uh and so you have to learn how to you know push it out and stuff like that and so you know it's a learning process but it's definitely do it better than the bag you know it's like that's one thing like yeah totally I wouldn't have liked. So, yeah, anyway.

29:57 I'm so glad that you got past that, man. That's awesome. Congratulations on that.

30:01 Thank you.

30:02 You were going to say you had another wrestling connection?

30:04 Yeah. So that was my alarm.

30:07 Oh, sure.

30:09 But I'm good. Yeah. In 1998, I did a photo shoot for Concrete Marketing. Bob Traparty was the owner of the marketing director. It's called ECW Extreme Music, and we did a photo shoot with all these wrestlers. I just pulled it up, so I'll see if you know any of these artists.

30:30 Oh, is it for the movie they came out with?

30:33 ECW Extreme Music compilation.

30:35 Yeah. The Sandman on there, I bet, right?

30:38 Megadeth was on Anthrax, Motorhead, Monster Magnet. That's wild. Bruce Dickinson, Kilgore. I did a music video for Kilgore. Let's see. White Zombie. Let's see. Let's see who the wrestlers were. They must be listed here somewhere.

31:03 I bet it was the Sandman.

31:07 If you know who that is. Yeah, I do. Barb Wire. That sounds familiar. That does sound familiar.

31:15 Now, remember this. This ECW was like that renegade wrestling group, and they came out with a CD because Their live music used to be like actual legit rock songs, you know, that play in the arenas.

31:25 Yeah, there was a really hot girl that was in it. I remember she was on the back cover, I think. Oh.

31:31 Francine, perhaps? Francine?

31:34 That sounds familiar.

31:38 Okay, so you're the guy behind that. Wrestling fans would love to know that.

31:40 That's crazy.

31:41 The same guy who shot Hulk for Wii is the same guy who shot the ECW CD.

31:45 And then Kilgore, we did a music video that's out there now. I haven't seen it in a while. I'm kind of curious. I might check it out after I get it with the phone.

31:54 I'll go attend to that, man. We can't thank you enough for reflecting.

31:59 Rob Van Dam.

32:00 Oh, sure. Sure.

32:02 He did Pantera's Walk. He sure did. El Phantasmo and the Chicken Run. I don't know who that is. Sherry Lynn. Bam Bam Bigelow. Oh, yeah. Enter Sandman was... I don't know how to do that one. That's what I said.

32:25 Sandman.

32:26 Justin Credible.

32:29 Credible. Justin Credible, yep.

32:30 Snap Your Fingers, Snap Your Neck was the song. Phantom Lord. And Francine, you're right, did Hurt It on the X. Oh, yeah. Kick Out the Jams by... Monster Magnet. Big Balls Mahoney.

32:50 You got it.

32:51 Balls Mahoney in Nutley, New Jersey.

32:53 And Sabu. It did Hoka Blues. Anyway, that's a lot. You know most of them?

33:02 Most of them I do, yeah.

33:04 Yeah, for sure.

33:05 They all became pretty big stars in their own right.

33:08 Yeah.

33:09 Awesome, man. Well, Mark, we want to thank you so much for taking the time to reflect on this. It's still such a trip that The guy who shot Hulk for this is still around and still remembers it all and hasn't told the story. So thanks for deeming us worthy and all the best to you in the future, man. And all our listeners should definitely check out that coffee table book.

33:27 For sure. That's pretty sweet. Yeah. I also have a magazine called Rock. I'm kind of relaunching rock magazines in print. So I have Rock Scene.

33:35 Good for you, man.

33:35 That's awesome. So anyway, yeah, check it out. MarkWeiss.com. I have my gallery prints from the Zeppelin to ZZ Top. Check it out. That's cool.

33:46 Thank you, Mark. All the best, man.

33:48 All right. See you.

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