Naomi Klein discusses the dangers of data centres, Steve Bannon’s hip hop musical and why our tech overlords want to be edgelords

Louis sits down with writer, activist and filmmaker Naomi Klein. They discuss Steve Bannon’s hip hop musical, why data centres are so dangerous, and the tech overlords/edgelords that inspired her latest book, End Times Fascism.

Warnings: Strong language and adult themes.

Links/Attachments:

Book: End Times Fascism, Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor (2026)

naomiklein.org/end-times-fascism

Book: Doppelganger, Naomi Klein (2023)

naomiklein.org/doppelganger

Interview: The full-length interview with Elon Musk, The Economist (2026)

youtube.com/watch?v=XuoqKYxDHVc

Play: The Thing I Am, Steve Bannon (1996-1997)

nytimes.com/2016/12/17/opinion/sunday/steve-ba…

Podcast: Bannon’s WarRoom (2019-present)

open.spotify.com/show/0WyF2LaTcrpWfrTIeKjs1L

Book: No Logo, Naomi Klein (1999)

naomiklein.org/no-logo

Song: Heart of Glass, Blondie (1979)

open.spotify.com/track/4v2rkl1mC3zVAz0nXMx9r4

Documentary: Bowling for Columbine (2002)

imdb.com/title/tt0310793

Credits:

Producer: Tom Fuller

Senior Assistant Producer: Maisie Ellen Williams

Junior Production Manager: Rosie Pender

Production Executive: Francesca Bassett

Original Music: Miguel D’Oliveira

Video Editor: Scott Edwards

Audio Editor: Tom Guest

Series Producer: Millie Chu

Executive Producer: Arron Fellows

A Mindhouse Studios Production for Spotify.

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