Lamar Jackson's Uncertain Ravens Future & the Lions Look Legit

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're the hell of you been. [SPEAKER_02]: If not, you guys know the routine. [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to break down four games at a larger scale from this weekend. [SPEAKER_02]: but one minor is on all of your teams and also we got some big stuff to hit off the top and let's just jump right into it Albert because Lamar Jackson made it back for this was like Aaron Rogers it was like all of a play he throws past he bans his thumb off the form of a bill's defender [SPEAKER_02]: And he's back out.

[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote about this at SI.com and I'm very curious what your thoughts are on this hour. [SPEAKER_02]: But Lamar is one of the more reclusive. [SPEAKER_02]: I would say quarterbacks in the NFL, where is like Patrick Mahomes at every step of his ACL recovery. [SPEAKER_02]: We had some sort of a hype montage video.

[SPEAKER_02]: We knew exactly how the ligaments were doing. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he wanted to present and a lot of quarterbacks. [SPEAKER_02]: I want to present in the way that's like, look at all I'm doing to get back to you, Lamar is not that kind of person, but I think now, as he's approaching a critical moment to restructure his contract this off season, he probably needs to become that person in some way shape or form, because if you don't know, the Ravens, is the cap number's 84 million dollars next season, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: The Ravens need to redo his contract before next year, [SPEAKER_02]: And now Lamar has played just one full season of games if he truly is on IR through the rest of the season, which Jesse Miner said is possibility, which means it's probably likely, if we lose him for the rest of the season, he's now played one complete season's worth of games in two years.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he's going to hit his age 30 season next year. [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if this is a time where the Ravens have a good long hard think about whether they want to keep reupping the Lamar experience. [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe it's just going to shorter term, more highly guaranteed deals. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what it is, but I think something probably changes in the tenor of the relationship from this one.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let me start here as a shame, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Because he was playing great. [SPEAKER_01]: And like it really looked like he was a good match for Declan Doyle, they're new offensive core data. [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, it felt to me like this was a guy who was gonna start playing really, really well.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like the early, [SPEAKER_01]: The early indications, I think they opened with Indy, is that right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, wasn't that they played at Indy, maybe in the open or what's great in the one? [SPEAKER_01]: And I think there was a ton of reason to be optimistic about where he was going forward and where he would take that, you know, once you got to like November and December and January.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, first of all, this is a shame. [SPEAKER_01]: The other thing, and I've talked about this the last last couple years, is that there is some correlation with misgames with him when he's been in contract situations. [SPEAKER_01]: So in 21 and 22, he missed, you know, five games each year.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Ravens tend to manage him differently when he's in a contract negotiation or at least it seems that way happening in last year. [SPEAKER_01]: This is not that. [SPEAKER_01]: This is, I mean, this is like an existential thing to a quarterback. [SPEAKER_01]: Anything that happens, your elbow, your hand, your thumb, your fingers, anything on your throwing hand.

[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, that prevents you from doing your job. [SPEAKER_01]: So it sucks in just about every way possible and it's hard not now to have the conversation about his future. [SPEAKER_01]: Because I'd say this like I don't know how much of him not having a contract past 27 is the Ravens and how much of it is he didn't want to negotiate one yet and because he is quiet about this stuff and he doesn't make public this stuff there's at least been I think some even internal speculation.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, does he eventually want to go to Miami? [SPEAKER_01]: Does he? [SPEAKER_01]: Does he? [SPEAKER_01]: Does he want to do that in 2020? [SPEAKER_01]: And again, like that's just speculation, but speculation you hear from people within the league within these teams. [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it's hard not to look at it and match it up with more equalices to your deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like Miami could be built up to some degree. [SPEAKER_01]: By the time we get to 2020, 28, [SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of big picture questions that come with this because there's a good chance now we've seen the last of Lamar before his contract here. [SPEAKER_01]: So now is contract is front and center and this might be an opportunity for the Ravens to dive back in and see if they can get something done again.

[SPEAKER_01]: I certainly would. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is not a wear and tear injury right on. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this isn't like one of those like where it's like, oh, well, it's he breaking it. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it was a freak thing. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he, he banged his thumb like an sucks and it's unfortunate, but this isn't like anything like what you say like, yeah, like I don't know if you can invest in him anymore.

[SPEAKER_01]: The high ankle spring would be a little more along those lines like that would give you a little more of that concern. [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, I think the contract negotiation now is front and center and I think the ravens are willing to explore it and willing to look at it. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think even now while he's injured, I think they would be willing to look at it.

[SPEAKER_01]: The question is, does Lamar want to do it and we'll see what the answer to that is? [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, I don't want to make it seem like I'm the one that's saying that the raven should question this. [SPEAKER_02]: I think that we've all, you know, he's a [SPEAKER_01]: He's one thing one thing one thing one more thing sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that we should say here before I like go is [SPEAKER_01]: that the reason I'm talking about him like a little different than I do other quarterbacks when other quarterbacks are in this situation is because he has a no tag clause at the end of his contract, which is a major piece to all of this.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he doesn't need to look to finger to become a free agent in 2020. [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't need to do anything. [SPEAKER_01]: He just needs to look at the contract to expire, which is rare for a cool. [SPEAKER_01]: It's rare for a quarterback of his level to get to a contract [SPEAKER_02]: Can he even let this deal play out, though?

[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I mean, it's an $84 million cap hit. [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to account for like 30% of the Raven's finance is next year. [SPEAKER_02]: Wasn't that always the, like, they didn't do that. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you could always screw with that number so you can make, you could make the void years right.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you could put the, yeah, I mean, you could always screw with that. [SPEAKER_01]: Let me pull the contract up, but like, [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty confident they could find a way to screw with that and spread the hit out again that money doesn't just disappear. [SPEAKER_01]: But the cap number this year is 34.4 next year it'll be 84.3 which I'm sure would be a record it would have to be right without looking at it.

[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is they've already got it looks to me like I'm looking at this here. [SPEAKER_01]: 40 million dollars and dead money over 40 million dollars and dead money beyond that. [SPEAKER_01]: So there's another 40 million dollars to deal with beyond that. [SPEAKER_01]: So you're either taking the big hit in the big hit in 27 or you're going to be taking the big hit hit a year or two after that, which quite honestly is how a lot of these a lot of these contracts are structured.

[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder, and again, and this is why I wrote that I think Lamar needs to go on offense a little bit. [SPEAKER_02]: I think that it's a advantage, certainly, for him, that he is a, you know, talks awfully carry a big stick kind of guy. [SPEAKER_02]: but when you don't fill the void with your true feelings and wants and desires, the void fills it for you, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: We're filling it for him. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, everybody else and then I like Lamar, he makes me laugh because like you always wonder what he's thinking and then he'll just all of a sudden comment on like a TikTok video that a fan made and then like that's him breaking his silence after like three months or whatever it is.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not going to start the Lamar needs in agent conversation, real agent, you know, but like man, you, you, you know, you need the force of something behind you to deal with. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to be flattered. [SPEAKER_01]: Why? [SPEAKER_01]: Why does he need one? [SPEAKER_02]: Why does he need that?

[SPEAKER_01]: Why does he, why does he, why does he, why does he, why does he, why does he, he, why does he, he, why does he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, [SPEAKER_01]: I think you genuinely, I don't think you really care to other people think.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's a genuinely good guy. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, like I think he sat down and you talk with him. [SPEAKER_01]: He's a genuinely good guy. [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with that. [SPEAKER_01]: But he's unique and that he's not wrapped up in what everybody else thinks. [SPEAKER_01]: And I've sort of come to this determination with him.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I really respect it about him is like, he cares about the people around him. [SPEAKER_01]: He cares about his family. [SPEAKER_01]: He cares about his teammates. [SPEAKER_01]: He was really well-liked with everybody [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but he's always marched the beat of his own drummer and like I hear what you're saying and I'd probably agree with most players, but I don't know why at this point of his career, he would feel the need to do it differently than he's doing it right now and has done it for the last.

[SPEAKER_01]: you know, I mean, going on what this is ninth year in the NFL. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: My answer that would be the last time that this came to a head contractually. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think yeah, and maybe I'm interpreting it differently and maybe you have a different thought on this.

[SPEAKER_02]: But when Lamar really stared into the sun on this one and he was texting to Costa and saying, I want to fully guarantee deal. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we saw those [SPEAKER_02]: that the NFL and the parent club can come at you with is like nothing that a player on his own is prepared for. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I mean, even like the stuff that was leaked on Lamar to embarrass him during that time, you know, it was like, you know, to make it seem like the home health fitness professional was trying to negotiate his contract.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, there was a lot of stuff like that that was coming at about Lamar at that time. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think what you need is someone in your corner who knows how to play that game, because this is probably the last big contract that he's ever going to sign. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, let's be real.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's coming up on his age 32, or his age 30 season. [SPEAKER_02]: He's 29 right now. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think teams would have fair questions about how long he can be like Lamar Lamar. [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and Lamar is going to be a great pocket passer until the day dies, right? [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's going to be great at 37.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be great at 38 if he wants to be. [SPEAKER_02]: But if you're paying 50, 60, 75 million dollars a year for the full Lamar experience, you want the full Lamar experience. [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want the Steelers have with Aaron Rodgers right now, which is still great, but it's not the full Aaron Rodgers experience.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so if I'm thinking like, [SPEAKER_02]: him, this is the last bite of the apple, this is the last big bite of the apple, and you need this thing managed to a point where, and if you have the force of a big agency behind you, they can think about shit that you can't even possibly fathom right now, you know, how you need to structure this thing, how you need to get in and get out, how you need to do all this kind of stuff, and it's like, I [SPEAKER_02]: it's my genuine respect for him that I'm just like I love the way that you've done it to this point but just get out with the bag like I want him to get out with the bag you know what I'm saying and I think that the last time he came up for a new deal we saw what could happen when things get get dirty you know what I mean and and get and we start mud wrestling a little bit you know

[SPEAKER_01]: I just think like and if he doesn't care that's cool, but like yeah, I mean if it doesn't matter to him that's the whole thing like if it doesn't matter to him And it doesn't seem like it's ever mattered to him like why would it start mattering now? [SPEAKER_01]: But he shouldn't matter to him.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to matter to another team that sees this stuff and it's like made up But he's such a great player like Do you think for example the Miami dolphins or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers or the you know whoever isn't gonna pursue him? [SPEAKER_01]: because- Well, they did last time. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, nobody did the last time.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: Right? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, this time, which is crazy to think about, but like, the last time there was the franchise tag. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: And there is some element of, uh, say, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh [SPEAKER_01]: Well, to prevent this, you know, it was it was it was specifically to prevent quarterbacks from moving because when they were going when they put in free agency in the early 90s the history of this is actually really interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: and he was concerned about free agency allowing his quarterback to leave. [SPEAKER_01]: And so the advent of the franchise tag was the owners trying to come up with a way to make sure quarterback movement. [SPEAKER_01]: wouldn't happen, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And to protect the teams in a case where they did have a John L.A. And so Pat Bowle and was sort of the one who pushed that and said we can't have like chaos and quarterback switching teams, we need to have these organizations need to have stability.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they want to point the franchise tag and now obviously it's been used as a zillion different way since, but that's the advent of it. [SPEAKER_01]: And so someone, a quarterback getting out there and challenging that, right? [SPEAKER_01]: is would be like sort of an as extension threat to the owners, wouldn't it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because then any quarterback if you prove, all right, if you prove that we can a quarterback will go for two first-round picks, which we've seen them traded for that before, then wouldn't more quarterbacks just play out their rookie deal if they weren't happy [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, right.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's a different. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just hard if you're in that position though, like if you're like Caleb Williams or Drake may after this year, it would be really hard to turn down like $70 million per year. [SPEAKER_01]: But if, I mean, like, that's always why I've said like Kirk Cousins deserves, like everybody acts like Kirk Cousins like fell into all these riches.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, he like gambled on himself. [SPEAKER_01]: You took risks that a lot of their guys weren't taking, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: agent. [SPEAKER_01]: He has a great agent. [SPEAKER_01]: But Lamar did the same thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Lamar played out his too. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, it's it's it's it's interesting because like I think [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that there's like a real precedent for what could be coming down the pike here. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And like the handling of it is certainly going to be under a lot of scrutiny. [SPEAKER_01]: I think you and I are maybe a little bit disconnected on the point of where he goes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just think like I agree with a lot of players like that you're right. [SPEAKER_01]: And most players do need that. [SPEAKER_01]: I just, a quarterback of that level, who's one, two, MVP, he's, I think he's kind of okay doing his own thing if he wants to. [SPEAKER_02]: It's funny because I feel like [SPEAKER_02]: we will end up for some reason having more owners curious about what they're getting in memoir than what they were getting into Sean Watson at the time, which isn't saying to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just because, again, there's a, I know how these people think, I know how these people operate, and [SPEAKER_02]: there's just so much, there's so many questions about Lamar because Lamar doesn't care to answer them. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's great. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I wish I could be like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: But my thought is that that's why you would do it. [SPEAKER_02]: Now, that's why you would at least find some sort of a way to get ahead of this because you want, you know, you want Stephen Ross, you want the glazers, you want everybody to be like, I want that guy in my building. [SPEAKER_02]: I want that guy in my building today.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but anyway, um, we need to- That was a good 20 minutes of the mug jack. [SPEAKER_02]: It was fun. [SPEAKER_02]: This is why it wouldn't be a fun podcast if you were just like great point Albert. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's go. [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, but I think it's like I think it's to me it's like one of the more interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the more interesting storylines that's coming over the next two years, you know? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not like Josh Allen's changing teams. [SPEAKER_01]: Joe Burrow, there's been rumblings of that eventually happening, but he seems good in Cincinnati.

[SPEAKER_01]: Patrick Bahomes isn't going anywhere, you know? [SPEAKER_01]: And in all likelihood, Caleb Williams and Drake made are going to sign long-term extensions for their app, Rock Party's not going anywhere. [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll see with CJ, but like Lamar is the big one that's sitting out there that Man, if there's a quarterback that moves over the next couple of years, maybe it's him.

[SPEAKER_02]: Before we get into the wrap-ups of the big games from Sunday, we do want to pivot to Jack Campbell. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's no easy way to say this. [SPEAKER_02]: It looked awful. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is a Detroit Vikings game. [SPEAKER_02]: and Jack was in on a tackle, you could kind of see his arm just kind of go slack at his side, and then we got the, you know, cart coming out for the injury, we went to several TV breaks.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was like 15 to 20 minutes of total time. [SPEAKER_02]: The players reaction, I think tells you all you need to know. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, everybody is visibly upset as of the taping of this, at 920, we still don't know a lot about Jack Campbell over. [SPEAKER_01]: That's always how you can tell.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the players, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like you What because they know, you know, they've got a better idea than anybody of how dire something is and and we've seen those situations in the past [SPEAKER_01]: where, you know, you see a, you see, you see players breaking down the crying on the feet, and you saw what they'd touched and said, and what an unbelievable sequence that was not to trivialize it, but like, for him to have the pressure on the next play, you know, we bullrushed the tackle and, and, and I think it was forced to enforce down in completion or did he, did he have a sack there, did he?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was, I think it was just a herd, but like he made a play on the next play. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and then I think the scene in the locker room after that was what got me was like watching Dan Campbell and like he's talking about the win and things like I'm going to take the temperature down for a second and then I don't know why the lines cut the prayer out of it, but like they all kind of got down on the in-pray and then you heard Jared golf afterwards.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, I don't think the update that we got last night is particularly encouraging, hopefully we get more encouraging updates today, you know, I think we're all rooting for the same outcome here. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think what's hard about this situation and is particularly gross, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: And this is why I would urge people to just read, [SPEAKER_02]: You managed, yeah, I do, I got a garbage. [SPEAKER_02]: you know, you know, people are generating images of in the hospital, you know, sitting up and giving a thumbs up and you read the comments under it and people are like, oh, great, it's not true and it's just like in these situations, you need to be so careful and so respectful.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is a, it's a human life that, [SPEAKER_01]: You know what sucks is like, it's just like, what's a bridge too far for that stuff? [SPEAKER_01]: What? [SPEAKER_01]: Where's the line? [SPEAKER_01]: And it sucks because I have a lot of friends, obviously you do too, right? [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of friends who are huge football fans.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I noticed, like I'd say, [SPEAKER_01]: four or five years ago, probably somewhere in there. [SPEAKER_01]: I started, they started to send me like post from Facebook or whatever, is this true. [SPEAKER_01]: And it'd be like the most ridiculous thing. [SPEAKER_01]: All the time, it was just getting, it would just be getting spit into their timeline.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, no, that's not true. [SPEAKER_01]: And like, I could go on a rant here, but I think this is like the social media outlets, [SPEAKER_01]: There, I think they have to take some social responsibility here too, totally, for what they've done, because to simply incentivize engagement for engagement, sake, and nothing else, and allow for these things to, I mean, to people to be rewarded for these these things.

[SPEAKER_01]: I saw somebody take like a clip of Jared Goff, [SPEAKER_01]: from like I he was talking about I think he was talking about like the team's trainer that died or something like that like from a year or two ago. [SPEAKER_01]: And like clipped it so it sounded like he was talking about Jack.

[SPEAKER_01]: Jack King, well, I mean, the most reprehensible disgusting like what is wrong with you as a human being if you're doing that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm afraid that guy's probably getting cut a check from Twitter because of it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, at some point, like I have to think these social media outlets because it used to be different.

[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't this way always. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, at some point, like, why can't you guys build a fence? [SPEAKER_01]: You had a fence before. [SPEAKER_01]: Why can't you guys build a fence? [SPEAKER_01]: because the tearing down of that fence has made it, because here's the thing. [SPEAKER_01]: You and I are in journalism, so it's our job.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's legitimately our job when we see something to dig into it and figure out whether it's real or not. [SPEAKER_01]: That's not like my buddy who works in finances job. [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: That's not my buddy who works in real estate's job. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is entertainment for them, you know?

[SPEAKER_01]: So they're just coming, I don't blame them. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're just football fans, interested in what's going on. [SPEAKER_01]: And like, why is it on them to filter through all this? [SPEAKER_01]: That's supposed to be us that are doing it. [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's just, I don't know, we could do the whole freaking podcast on this, but, you know, I'm with you 100%.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was awful and disgusting. [SPEAKER_01]: I would hope that like I hope somehow everybody who is pulling that crappiest today gets outed and they can get the public score and they deserve for it. [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, like it's usually, it's usually nameless faceless assholes or just looking to turn up turn about to make a buck.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you if you if you some out are one of those people who did that and you've stumbled upon this get help. [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, like Seek help and it's not funny, you know, you know, go talk to somebody about why you feel the need to do something like this. [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I think anyone who saw that and you mentioned it yesterday, Albert, the actual verified clip of Dan Campbell talking to players in the locker room.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can tell, I mean, Dan's trying to put on a face and he's trying to celebrate what really might be the signature win that he's had over the last two years, two and a half years. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's impossible to do it, you know, and, you know, maybe you get that little boost in the time between Jack gets hurt and the end of that game and you saw some guys flying off the ball after that happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: the kind of situation that we hope it's not, but, you know, I don't know, I think that's one of those deals where it's tough, stuff to put it in the back of your mind. [SPEAKER_02]: I remember driving up to Buffalo after the Demar Hamlin injury, right, and in in situation and just being around that team.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's tough, it's tough, you know, and it's just, it's just [SPEAKER_02]: It's these guys know what they signed up for, right? [SPEAKER_01]: But these guys are all aware of it, and like, they're all aware of the risks, but that doesn't change the fact that you're like, you know.

[SPEAKER_01]: looking at a guy, you know, I think the psychology of a football player, like I even know this, like when you're, when you play even in high school and like something happens, you know, you, you look at the guy in the ground, there's like sort of like that, like that could have easily been me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why wasn't that me? [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, and so like I think these things [SPEAKER_01]: These are freak things, but it's not like freakish like this happening to a baseball player, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like it is part of the course of the game, contact and physicality and violence.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's all part of the course of the game. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's do our best to, to motor through and to talk about some of the games from this weekend. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll start with Minnesota and Detroit. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So it's it's it's it's interesting to me, right, because whenever you have a great defense and [SPEAKER_02]: an offense does reasonably well against them.

[SPEAKER_02]: We chalk it up as a victory for the defense. [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm a staunch Brian Flores defender. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't necessarily think this was a Vikings defensive loss. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they gave up 19 points to arguably the best offense or second best offense in the NFL. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not, you know, and what the Lions did do, I think, is they got it together on the ground.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Jimmy or Gibbs had a lot of [SPEAKER_01]: So, which, that's, I drew pets in their offensive coordinator deserves credit for that. [SPEAKER_02]: That was his biggest piece. [SPEAKER_02]: This game was phenomenal, you know? [SPEAKER_01]: Because what you want to do, if you're playing as a Bryan Flora as defense, is you need to stay on schedule if you're going to have any chance.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: You just cannot be in long yardage. [SPEAKER_01]: And the way you do that is by running the ball. [SPEAKER_01]: and you cannot get in second and 13 or third and 11 consistently. [SPEAKER_01]: And you look at their first core, their first drive, they turn around, they get two first downs, first and 10, second and seventh, third and fourth, first and 10, second and seventh, and then what happens when they fall behind the sticks?

[SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: They, they three plays later. [SPEAKER_01]: They punt. [SPEAKER_01]: They took a sack on first down three plays later. [SPEAKER_01]: They punt. [SPEAKER_01]: That's sort of indicative of the way this works, right? [SPEAKER_01]: As if you can stay on schedule. [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean you can't make a play on third and long.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like there was a big one early on to Jamison Williams. [SPEAKER_01]: They were able to make a third and third team, but if you want to have a chance, you have to stay on schedule. [SPEAKER_01]: And the way you do that is by me consistent in the wrong game. [SPEAKER_01]: Jamir Games has an MVP case, doesn't he?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 100% yeah, I mean, I like he's carrying such a heavy load now. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, it's another 25 touches yesterday. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, for 168 all purpose yards. [SPEAKER_01]: He is the engine in the run game. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, not having Montgomery has, and I think the contracts part of this, too, has put them in a position where they are really kind of like all behind him.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's one of the best players in all football, he's one of the most valuable players in all football. [SPEAKER_01]: He's a major reason why they won that game, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it also, the other thing that's got to be encouraging if you're the Lions is just the reestablishment of your offensive line.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, you've got cave maze back now, like Meta Miller settled in a right tackle, Penae Schools now, left tackle. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that this is strength that it was two or three years ago, but it's certainly not the liability that it wasn't 2025. [SPEAKER_02]: I kept seeing the CFL pass was just a delight.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was an absolute, I'm gonna pull that up again, that way, yes. [SPEAKER_02]: So I wanna talk about it for a minute because I am working on something about this, but I think the brilliance of that play. [SPEAKER_02]: And okay, you're gonna think that I'm just like, this is so good, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: And for those of you guys who didn't see it, a Mone Ross Saint Brown starts about 20 yards in the backfield. [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, it's it's still alignment correct and he doesn't start moving until after the snap, but after the snap, which is like that that's by the way, that's why this is a Canadian play because In Canada, receivers can move forward at the snap.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is kind of cheating that a little bit like where it's you're getting the sort of similar effect to what you get in the Canadian football league because the guys running towards the lion scrimmage when the ball's coming to on which I, you know, so I thought about it in two different ways.

[SPEAKER_02]: One, in the light of the Jack Campbell situation, do you want receivers running full steam into a wall of humans and essentially recreating the kickoff? [SPEAKER_02]: Like the old kickoff on every down passing place. [SPEAKER_02]: That's like the bad side of it, the interesting side of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because I never quite got there with the Eagles. [SPEAKER_02]: The Eagles started running fakes off the touch push with Kevin Betouil right before Betouil got fired and they were so good. [SPEAKER_02]: And what's really interesting about this look, [SPEAKER_02]: is that you can fake a lot of stuff off at Albert because if you see them lined up this way, you have to commit a lot of humanity to that side.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just mesmerized by it. [SPEAKER_01]: I can watch it over and off. [SPEAKER_02]: But you have to commit a lot of guys to that side of the ball because it's going to be a ball carrier, a talented ball carrier with a full head esteem. [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine, well, here's what it does though, is you either [SPEAKER_01]: So you either have to move a safety over there, right, right, in which case your vacating an area of the field or you have to pull a line back or out of the box at which point if you do that, then Jared Goff probably counts numbers and checks to Iran.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: So if that, if that linebacker walks out there because he sees what's going on, now all of a sudden, the lines have numbers in the box and you can hand the ball to Gibbs and Gibbs can rip off 20 yards, you know, so it's brilliant from that perspective too. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I. [SPEAKER_02]: And then he does, and credit to Nate Tyson for, I think naming it the sidecar formation, but this is really what I thought the difference was against Detroit or against Minnesota. [SPEAKER_02]: It's basically two tight ends as up backs. [SPEAKER_02]: And it helps you generate, you know, because there's just gonna be a lot of leaks against the Vikings, no matter what.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're gonna get through gaps. [SPEAKER_02]: And they're just agile, they're able to pick up stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: And they're just able to give you a little bit of extra heft. [SPEAKER_02]: We were wondering what the little nuances of a game plan would look like that finally at least got teams to move the ball against Minnesota and I think that's what Detroit put on film that is going to be consequential throughout the rest of the season now Minnesota's got to defend the one thing that I think worked marginally against them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Kudos. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, this is like, you know, and Drew Pet Singh's been on my rising coaches list, even in the dark days at Arizona, the calls that I've made on him, people love him. [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was a much better hire than the other people did.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's funny now that I'm getting, I was getting shouted down. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, all they could have had Mike McDaniel when he was in the building. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, well, maybe. [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe everything worked out the Lions with a big one five and two now and four no at home The Connor or 14 and three lion season is still on for now We'll see if I end up nailing that projection.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's move on to the other There's a couple other big ones here, but brown Steelers Steelers 27 brown six [SPEAKER_02]: You talk to Patrick Queen and Lakhram Albert about the vibe here. [SPEAKER_02]: It just seems immaculate like and this, this just goes to show how poorly I can be or anyone else can be projecting this in my mind.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's Mike McCarthy taking over a veteran roster of guys. [SPEAKER_02]: who loved Mike Tomlin. [SPEAKER_02]: Aaron Rodgers coming in and maybe being fully a mobile at 43. [SPEAKER_02]: And TJ Wat entering, I think, is age 34 season. [SPEAKER_02]: Cam Hayward entering, I think, is age 37 or 38 season.

[SPEAKER_02]: you know, this is an old team, what if it breaks down and combust. [SPEAKER_02]: None of that's happened. [SPEAKER_02]: And they delivered an absolute weapon on Cleveland. [SPEAKER_02]: And I watched this game from start to finish Albert and the the Steelers left a lot of points on the board.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this should have been this should have been like a 42 to seven, uh, uh, yeah, for for the Steelers. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and and I think like again, like the studios are probably going to be walking the health tight rope the rest of the year. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when we've talked about that because they're age, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, but I love like, like, so I, this is why this is why I want to talk to to Patrick we now to the game because I've noticed this like, [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think I use the Clint Eastwood reference last week, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, the Clint Eastwood and Al Camino vibe to the team do the entire team, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: And I've said that with I'm over using that now because I used it on Todd Monk into. [SPEAKER_02]: So there's got to be a statute of limitations on me using that. [SPEAKER_02]: But. [SPEAKER_01]: There is like that feeling to the locker room where it's like, they're just, they're too old to care, what anyone thinks.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so like, you remember like Aaron Rogers and Mike McCarthy had the on field confrontation. [SPEAKER_01]: Then I think Rogers like questioned play calling and then Jalen Ramsey came out the next week and he said that there was like a disconnect between the locker room and the coaching staff.

[SPEAKER_01]: And with probably 31 or 32 teams, it would be like, holy crap, what's going on there? [SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't exist with the Steelers. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the reason why and this is for my own wisdom getting older is when you get older you stop like with the pleasant trees and you start like becoming more direct with people yeah you start becoming like you know what the fastest way for me to deal with this problem is to confront it yeah and if I if I dance around it for the next three weeks is not getting solve so like let's just talk about it and then you start to do that enough and then maybe publicly you're okay talking about things that way.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's where all these guys are. [SPEAKER_01]: And this quote from the Queen, I said it like really seems like it, like no one cares about her feelings, they're just working for you guys. [SPEAKER_01]: And he answered, yeah, definitely is. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's because everybody has the same angle and that's to hold the trophy up.

[SPEAKER_01]: And once you go through things so many times, you're not trying to go into this insanity, they're just trying to find a new way to do things. [SPEAKER_01]: And we understand with all the alphas in here, nobody's selfish. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the biggest thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Even with all the alphas we got, we got no one's selfish, everybody wants to win and everybody understands how we got to win.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so like it was that and then he said like like on Friday, Patrick Graham their defense of coordinator basically said to them we ain't changing anything we're good with these are your roles this is the way we're doing it it's like we're good and it's just like this direct [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think, and I think it's permeated by the McCarthy Rogers relationship, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Now follow me with my logic here. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think that permeates it, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's like, okay, like these two guys are like, these two guys are like a married couple. [SPEAKER_01]: They've been together for so long and they have so much background with each other that they just, they, they drop everything like as far as any sort of like manners or whatever and they just talk directly to each other.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I actually think like it's working for them in a very big way. [SPEAKER_01]: There's six and two. [SPEAKER_01]: They're all alone in first. [SPEAKER_01]: It's fun. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think many of us would have guessed that that would be the case. [SPEAKER_02]: It's funny because I have a dear friend and the communication between him and his wife is hysterical.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love being around them. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he'll say something like, you know, will all be FaceTime and one or another, like, all of our buddies from high school and, you know, the wife will walk by and she'll say, like, you see how dumb my husband's new glasses are, and then they'll say, like, oh, you know, my wife's just mad because she thinks she looks fat in a dress.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and then, but it's just, and, and they love each other, like, no, [SPEAKER_02]: No tomorrow, you know what I mean and it got in each other through these incredible life situations together and you know when you first you hear it and you're like, oh my god But then behind it is like a freedom to be just totally direct and Mike McCarthy and Aaron and the same thing how many how many?

[SPEAKER_02]: play callers and established Super Bowl winning head coaches would bench a guy who was mfing him on the headset because he didn't get a play call in. [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, he did that. [SPEAKER_02]: McCarthy did that to Rogers and then the camera goes back to McCarthy and he calls him a fucking asshole like on the sidelines.

[SPEAKER_02]: You saw it. [SPEAKER_02]: He's like fucking asshole. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's okay, like it's just like I think Mary totally. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Mary. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm using the telling us like he's let me let me to believe that that this is possible. [SPEAKER_01]: I remember I remember when I remember when the Richie Reggie and Cognita thing happened, right, which I thought was like the Reggie and Cognito Jonathan Martin thing I thought was large like [SPEAKER_01]: garbage.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was like, did they go overboard, maybe? [SPEAKER_01]: But like I thought like the actual in actuality is something that probably should have been handled just in the locker room, you know? [SPEAKER_01]: And it became a big thing. [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember thinking to myself, [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, if anybody saw my text messages with my friends or got into like the fantasy football draft chat like with my college friends like or like saw what me and my high school friends said to each other or what our high school coach used to say to us when I like read all be in huge trouble but [SPEAKER_01]: There's a way, like if you've got good relationships with people, there's a trust that you have that you can talk to them a certain way, that you wouldn't talk to other people, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just a directness and it's a, and I think I'm starting, like you start to see with the Steelers with so many veteran guys in that locker room, [SPEAKER_01]: You know, TJ Watt cam, hey, we're go down the list. [SPEAKER_01]: Alex Heismiss now, if that Patrick Wayne, Jalen Ramsey, DK Metcalf, Aaron Rogers, Rico Doudle, Jalen Warren, Pat Fryer Moose is getting older now, like all of these guys that have been in the league for so long, and like there's no need to like, cuddle anyone.

[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it's, I think it's a cool thing. [SPEAKER_01]: And I can't wait for their next game. [SPEAKER_01]: They got a buy and then they go too Cincinnati to play on Sunday night after the Bengals get back from Spain. [SPEAKER_01]: Which is kind of an interesting schedule in Quarra. [SPEAKER_01]: One team's coming off a buy another team's coming back from Madrid.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that sets up for the Steelers to be relevant for some time. [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe deliver back to back signature wins on the brown side of this. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to pal my chest a little bit in my dream trades column. [SPEAKER_02]: I just said, go get Spencer Rattler as a backup as a backup as a backup.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, because Deshan's going to start turning the ball over because he has a high rate of turnover worthy place. [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to start turning the ball over. [SPEAKER_02]: He takes a lot of sacks. [SPEAKER_02]: He's probably going to get hurt because he's been hurt for most of the last decade.

[SPEAKER_00]: Never, oh my god, you're just trying to rain on our parade. [SPEAKER_00]: We're five and two. [SPEAKER_02]: Finally, we fixed everything. [SPEAKER_02]: Fine, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. [SPEAKER_02]: Deshaam Watson has taken eight sacks twice this season. [SPEAKER_02]: He's the only quarterback to get sacked eight times in a season and he's done it twice already this year.

[SPEAKER_02]: The other was the bad weather game against the jets, but this one was just [SPEAKER_02]: you know, he was seeing ghosts down field. [SPEAKER_02]: I think pretty early on, you could see monkey just convert and say, let's put the top up on the convertible and just go straight into our run, basically our zone read our run stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's kind of take the ball out of Sean's hands right now because he can't handle it. [SPEAKER_02]: But like this is why I was pushing them so hard to get a quarterback because [SPEAKER_02]: The Browns believed that this season was about setting up this young corps, Swesinger and Boston, and Concepcion, and Mason Grant, like they have undoubtedly great players.

[SPEAKER_02]: So go show them that they're great. [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_02]: Go get. [SPEAKER_02]: Go get as serviceable. [SPEAKER_02]: Joe Flacco tight player and at least get that guy in there because when the Sean when the when the floor falls out on this thing all you have is shitter Sanders and he was so bad that you didn't want to entertain the idea of starting him in the first.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Am I crazy about this? [SPEAKER_02]: I know I keep bringing it up. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's hard to integrate. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's hard to integrate according to my kind of fly like that. [SPEAKER_01]: I could see him with maybe Flacco. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that you're gonna get a higher level play than you've got out of this shot and I understand what you're saying it hasn't been perfect, but he's played well down the stretch of a lot of these games.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's had good minutes, but he's still like the 28th best quarterback in the NFL. [SPEAKER_01]: Don't you also think like [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you are talking about noise with what more if you do that, you're inviting like the whole Pandora's box opening back up again, where this thing seems to finally be settled to some degree and like they can go and have like a relatively normal football season now, the rest of the way.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if you do that now, you're sort of open in the conversation back up, you know? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but like, I mean, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I would at this point, I think, like, I'm not against adding depth. [SPEAKER_01]: Like the Spencer Rattler, things not a horrible idea.

[SPEAKER_01]: I also think like the, [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the make-up of your team and where you're at, like I, and you took eight sacks yesterday. [SPEAKER_01]: So like there's no defending that. [SPEAKER_01]: His numbers look better than he played. [SPEAKER_01]: No question, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like his numbers actually look okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you got the same snacks. [SPEAKER_01]: You got the Texans, then you got your buy. [SPEAKER_01]: The schedule is relatively manageable the rest of the way. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not horrible. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you have a giant at the end of the year. [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see where they're at.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the Ravens potentially without Lamar, the culture on there, the Raiders are like, [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're okay staying the course here now if we're now a bigger picture conversation about where they are at quarterback going forward that's different, you know, like, and obviously all these things are part of that equation.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, since from since week five, there's been 15 quarterbacks who have played at least 130 snaps, okay, the Sean Watson is like that's it. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see here, they're only 15 core racks who played 130 snaps of sweat since week five. [SPEAKER_02]: So there's by weeks involved, there's injuries.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, all right, okay, I got you, you know, all that kind of stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm just trying to zero in in the last three weeks of like regular established starters. [SPEAKER_02]: I'll even bump it down to let's say, I need to get your analytics tool there, whatever you're using.

[SPEAKER_01]: What's that? [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be to get your analytics tool, whatever you're using there to boil that down. [SPEAKER_01]: You got good filters there. [SPEAKER_01]: I have great filters. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: So, all right. [SPEAKER_02]: I bumped it up to 75 snaps and then we have 32.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we have a full sample size of quarterbacks over the last five weeks. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Sean Watson is 28th in EPA per plate. [SPEAKER_02]: The only quarterbacks are worse. [SPEAKER_02]: Tanner McKee, Daniel Jones, Justin Herbert and Bryce Young's had a bad couple of weeks.

[SPEAKER_01]: Justin Herbert. [SPEAKER_01]: Hi. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll get to that. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, he is, let's see, 24th in success rate. [SPEAKER_02]: Again, standard McKee, it's J. Lynn Daniels, it's Justin Herbert, you know, completion percentage over expectation. [SPEAKER_02]: He's a middle of the road, okay, but like this is, you know, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because on one hand, it was. [SPEAKER_02]: If the Browns are really into this, the idea of this season don't waste it. [SPEAKER_02]: You weren't first place, you know? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who's available. [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's part of the conversation, too.

[SPEAKER_02]: But let's move, because there's a lot of big games that happen this weekend. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go and depth them one more. [SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll hit some with some one-minors. [SPEAKER_02]: Big one tonight by the way, Bear, C-Ox. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really popular now. [SPEAKER_01]: He had to make it like legitimately excited about this one.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go to Cheese Broncos. [SPEAKER_02]: This is, I love the 15 point Denver fourth quarter. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just gorgeous, it is, it's so phenomenal. [SPEAKER_02]: What a weird, weird, weird, weird, weird Broncos game, where I guess you could call it the Jonah Coleman. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't get them all right, Connor, but I think we got Jonah Coleman, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: We did, you know what? [SPEAKER_02]: And it's so funny because Jonah Coleman is one of those guys that like, every one of us media shlobs looked at that guy and was like, he's pretty good, you know? [SPEAKER_02]: And like, like, why is he still available? [SPEAKER_02]: And like, you know, whatever, I mean, there's obviously like teams have their boards and there's the need of him was like, why he was available on the fourth round.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a really good back at Washington for sure. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's really, it's really one of those situations that it's it's better than an acquisition at the trade deadline Albert because once you see a player that's already in your system changing and developing and growing. [SPEAKER_02]: And finding himself in the flow of the offense, the possibilities are so much more limitless than going out and getting like Tony Pollard, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think Jonah Coleman really does offer the Broncos something phenomenal. [SPEAKER_02]: And if you can continue to manage this like foreheaded backfield that you have going on right now, all the power to you. [SPEAKER_02]: since day one. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I, that's the one thing I worry about is like, so this looks to me like a team that can win every which way and closing it out the way that they did with just like they drew it up, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like the two edge guys, Benito and Cooper are kind of screaming off, beat the chiefs, tack, those force mahalms up, and then the detackle cleans it up to finish the game there. [SPEAKER_01]: And they got a little help, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like on the [SPEAKER_01]: because I don't know of jail and more.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that was a fall start? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I didn't tweet it, but you could have Shelby Clip this and our wonderful producer because it's my worst take ever, but do you want to hear it? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: NFL is always like these officials are phenomenal. [SPEAKER_02]: These officials are phenomenal.

[SPEAKER_02]: In that situation, I agree because if you look, he essentially like rocked back like he was gonna fart. [SPEAKER_02]: It was like a quarter of an inch of a movement. [SPEAKER_02]: And like, you know, these are the kind of they caught it like, you know, and it's like, you know, we're all sitting there and we're like, you can't do that in that moment, but it's like, if you want these officials to be a robot, that is the correct call in the moment, and you can argue like flow the game in that circumstance.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know Brittany home, my home's disagreed. [SPEAKER_02]: I saw her Insta post on this. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was funny hearing her like say that the chief. [SPEAKER_01]: It's. [SPEAKER_02]: It's good like yeah, I think it's good for everybody to see that because it shows the psychology of everybody's the same, which is the rough start to screw us like even the chiefs like you know what I mean like there is nothing more that chiefs fans love than the statistic that they are the most penalized team in the NFL since Patrick homes is drafted it's like it's like as soon as someone criticizes the chiefs and their relationship with the officials it's like, well [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're the most penalized to even the NFL since patch Brahms.

[SPEAKER_01]: Who is, who's the official that they have dressed up in the rest in the red stripes that always gets tweeted out? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Chepers, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Because Chepers call Chepers. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, as a poor Chepers, I think. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And then they now with AI, this is the good, the funny side of AI, I suppose, although I'm not sure Carl likes it, but it's like you can have him kiss an Andy Reed if you want to, you know, you can do some really.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can do some silly stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: Graphic things. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to do that. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to go that far, I would say. [SPEAKER_01]: I would say that like it's the Broncos look like a teenager can win a lot of different ways. [SPEAKER_01]: How worry you about how it next limits them.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think, and this is gonna sound crazy, but I think he's gonna be fine. [SPEAKER_02]: And I've said this about the Broncos offense. [SPEAKER_02]: I think the whole, we changed terminology. [SPEAKER_02]: Thing is BS. [SPEAKER_02]: I think that was Peyton putting that out there to take some heat off a bonus, which was, you know, I think that the sentiment behind it was good.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think that Bonix is so smart and he's seen so much football that like you just got to you just got to pair it down, you know, and if he can be a not game manager plus because he's better than that. [SPEAKER_02]: Like he was a great downfield thrower last year. [SPEAKER_01]: He's made he makes like some really high lovers throwers some really difficult throws.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm working on that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And I just think it's one of those things where if you just pair him down, just a little bit. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that you put him in a situation where he can feel control over it, where, you know, you can kind of take his worst impulses off the table.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because there's some bad, his worst impulses are probably bottom five in the NFL in terms of like worst impulses. [SPEAKER_02]: But if you can take that stuff off the [SPEAKER_02]: you know, I think it's okay. [SPEAKER_02]: I really do, and I'll tell you what, man, I say it every week. [SPEAKER_02]: Vance Joseph, bailing out the Broncos again.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, why isn't this guy a head coach? [SPEAKER_02]: My god, like, you know, it's crazy to me that he got passed over last year. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, he's put together like three of the best defensive seasons in a row, but because a Brian Flores, we don't talk about the fact that this guy and the numbers aren't quite there like they are with the Vikings, but situationally, right, the Broncos have, have one like three games already defensively.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and, and that's coaching man. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and a lot of talent, it doesn't, it helps to have a single Terry, too. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, but, um, [SPEAKER_02]: This was a big win. [SPEAKER_02]: Are you worried at all about the chief's Albert? [SPEAKER_02]: This is the second now Kenneth Walker game of 70 yards or less.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because if Harrison Bucker hits the 54-yard field goal, which is not a chip shop, but it's not what it used to be. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, then the chiefs are capable of win the game, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So like I, and probably kicking a relatively easy field goal to win the game. [SPEAKER_01]: I actually, I honestly was a little encouraged, um, they like on the play that got, [SPEAKER_01]: called back, like the winning touchdown, it threw it to rice.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think having to rush you, rice back changes the dynamic for them. [SPEAKER_01]: The Broncos were able to the same way the Seahawks did stop Kenneth Walker and Mahomes played a lot better than he played last week. [SPEAKER_01]: So in a lot of different ways, this one's more encouraging to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, they got caught is what happened. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, look, spags through a kitchen sink blitz at the Broncos and Sean Payton had just the right call on that sort of movement screen to Jonah Coleman there, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And so they got caught there. [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, these are two really good teams, and the chiefs killed them the first time around.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the Broncos came back and we're able to come from behind [SPEAKER_01]: I am not worried about the chiefs. [SPEAKER_01]: I might even listen to they found something with Emma Johnson, the rookie out of number asking me. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Great. [SPEAKER_01]: I just think.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that this is a chief team like like I was a little worried after the Seattle game. [SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm back to thinking they're going to develop these guys, you know, like Emma Johnson, Cyrus Allen, maybe they add somebody to Deadline, get Roshy Rice, healthy, Xavier worthy, I just think like by the time you get to the end of the year, my homes will be playing better and I think he's gradually getting better and more comfortable in the knee and I think the group [SPEAKER_02]: Let's shoot through the rest of the NFL very quickly before we get out of here.

[SPEAKER_02]: Titans Bengals, this was the best game that Kim Ward's played in his NFL career. [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel so bad from that again, you know, like Joe Burrow is just unstoppable, man. [SPEAKER_02]: The Titans were up 13, so a second week in a row. [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I have it here, his numbers in the fourth quarter and over time, Joe Burrow.

[SPEAKER_01]: 17 of 19 for 246 and two touchdowns. [SPEAKER_01]: Chase had five catches for 77 yards. [SPEAKER_01]: Higgins had four catches for 68 yards. [SPEAKER_01]: This to me is significant because this is the game. [SPEAKER_01]: The Bengals, I had blown the last few years. [SPEAKER_01]: This is the inexplicable loss that they've had the last three years that they've been out of the playoffs, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Where it was like, what the hell happened? [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that they were able to fight through that, [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, and, and the defense makes a stop at the end. [SPEAKER_01]: You had Dexter Lawrence making a big play at the end. [SPEAKER_01]: I, they're right up there for me for me, Connor, like one of the teams that I think is.

[SPEAKER_01]: employee to get to the Super Bowl. [SPEAKER_01]: Five into now. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, they go to Madrid this week. [SPEAKER_01]: Then I've been they'll have a huge one against the seals. [SPEAKER_01]: But after that, commanders, saints, browns. [SPEAKER_01]: This could be a team that's playing home playoff games.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love the everybody eats bangles games. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, T-higgins, you are Chase combined for 21 catches like almost like almost 300 receiving yards, three touchdowns, 27 targets. [SPEAKER_01]: Because Sikki played well, had a heads of touchdown. [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, Chase Brown is a big part of the equation, all of it, you know, all of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's, [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be a shame if this wasn't like it. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm here for Joe Burrow being back in the playoffs, seeing Joe Burrow versus Josh Allen, seeing Joe Burrow versus the patch up in my home is like, [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, I think the Bengals are, again, like this isn't the most aesthetically pleasing win.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's things about this that would give you some concern with their defense and everything else. [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm telling you, this is the game they coughed up the last three years. [SPEAKER_01]: This is the one where it was like, they're out of the playoffs and God, they lost a Cleveland and Week 4 and what the hell.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: That was this game and they were able to pull it out, which I think tells you something. [SPEAKER_02]: Burroughs were three picks in this game. [SPEAKER_02]: But I think it's weird, like some quarterbacks, I'm gonna crush them for that and burrow. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's like Josh Allen, it's like a cost of doing business thing, you know.

[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, you said you want Joe Burrow in the playoffs and instead Albert, you might get Gordon or Minju because the Cardinals break them up, baby, three and five now, three and two on the road. [SPEAKER_02]: They even burrow real talk about it, right? [SPEAKER_02]: the proverbial tough out there the tough out congrats you know credit to credit to the floor man I mean you know this is a team that everyone thought was dead in the water betrayed Marvin Harrison and you come out and Again, I mean this is Dallas's defense looking terrible There's no question about it and I think that you know Jerry Dallas need to do something [SPEAKER_02]: What do you do now though, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Because you already brought in Patton. [SPEAKER_02]: Do you just let him run it? [SPEAKER_01]: And my question is how well does he know the defense that Christian Parker is actually running? [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you brought up a big point with Patricia, right? [SPEAKER_02]: And trying to run.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can he run the big Van Geo defense? [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know the answer to that. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there is some background there. [SPEAKER_01]: Van Geo is a Baltimore a million years ago. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where Patton's roots were. [SPEAKER_01]: But like, can you just hand the keys to Mike Patton?

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I would do if I was Jerry, but this is like, I mean, Jerry, Jerry has said a lot of things even more than usual, they've lost three or four now and I mean, I, they're only when was over 10 or McKee in the Eagles on a Monday night. [SPEAKER_01]: They should be able to kind of catch back up in the next few weeks.

[SPEAKER_01]: They play the Eagles again, the Titans, the Colts, but I don't know, I mean, if you are doubting where you're at on the defensive side of the ball, and I'm all for giving guys runway, and I think Christian Parker is a bright young defensive coach. [SPEAKER_01]: Don't get me wrong on that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like the urgency with which fit Jerry's acted over the last year, which is different than it has been before. [SPEAKER_01]: He's always said a lot of things, but I don't know that he's had the same sort of urgency in the way he's spoken about the team that he's had over the last 12 months or so.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would say very much that this is, I would say very much like that nothing would really surprise me right now. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, do you want to hear my, uh, insane. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to happen. [SPEAKER_02]: Suggestion, uh, that they should do it. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[SPEAKER_02]: I need you to start playing Thunder by a cdc. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's the only way this is going to work. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there is, all right, so you go out Albert and you keep my pen, okay, because Mike Patton's there and then it's like thunder and then you sign Chuck Pagano, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan

[SPEAKER_02]: I thought, and then just like, oh my god, it's the first verse through that door. [SPEAKER_02]: Introduce them first, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Let them come through the smoke and the fire. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, okay, well, at least we did something. [SPEAKER_02]: We signed the whole goddamn Ravens coaching staff from 2000.

[SPEAKER_01]: Or you know who Rex Ryan's offensive coordinator was with the jets. [SPEAKER_02]: Ryan, [SPEAKER_02]: Come on. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't say I don't come up with good ideas sometimes. [SPEAKER_02]: Patton's just the Patton's like the gateway. [SPEAKER_02]: And then he just opens the door. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Screw it. [SPEAKER_02]: Why not? [SPEAKER_02]: Screw it. [SPEAKER_02]: Just install it. [SPEAKER_02]: Just like Dean P's Chuck Pagano, Mike Nolan. [SPEAKER_02]: Rex Ryan, Marvin Lewis. [SPEAKER_02]: Most of them are like, I think I check, except for Mike Nolan, [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't think Michael is coaching.

[SPEAKER_02]: He last was the head coach of the Michigan Panthers, which I don't know what that is. [SPEAKER_01]: You a fell? [SPEAKER_01]: I always default to you a fell when I haven't heard of a team. [SPEAKER_02]: UFO. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't say I didn't propose a solution.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love that one. [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, gutter of a loss for the Cowboys. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see if Jerry Jones gets off his took us to try to make something happen. [SPEAKER_02]: Raiders 38, Jets 33, just quickly Albert. [SPEAKER_02]: I think this was a great comeback when you had special teams performances in this one from the Raiders and they pull even at four and four.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this team is just going to be scrappy and a pain in the ass. [SPEAKER_02]: But most notably, Ashton Gentie got sat on the bench and click. [SPEAKER_02]: Who'd be active and say it? [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that it spoke action speak louder than words. [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was a nice.

[SPEAKER_01]: So rookie, my Washington is a rookie, right? [SPEAKER_02]: And he looked really good in that offense. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's, and he's one of these like kind of like lightweight speed guys and I think it's worth mentioning that those guys generally excel in fourth round somebody pointed this out to me like with might make Daniel's offense when he was with Kyle and San Francisco and how like a lot of those guys all the way that a lot of those guys are fourth three guys right like where he mosa was a fourth three guy and the reason why which I thought was really interesting is that those guys have so deep belief in the wrong game.

[SPEAKER_01]: the they believe that like the way they draw it up is going to be there and they just need somebody who can put his foot in the ground and go. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what Washington is. [SPEAKER_01]: So he seems like he'd be a fit. [SPEAKER_01]: And like the the offense is kind of, I mean, because at 19 completions, 12 of them were to power some mayor.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is sort of how the [SPEAKER_01]: I think you are seeing the foundation of like I think what's going to be a pretty good team in a couple years and by the way, for whatever it's worth, like just checking in what people there are in mid-Dose, they're really excited about where he's at.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just throw that out there. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't rush it. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm so rushing. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't rush them. [SPEAKER_02]: They're not rushing. [SPEAKER_01]: But they're excited about where he's at. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't make the playoffs. [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, moving on.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was actually just checking, I was looking up some stats on Mike Washington from the game, and I mean, Jenny of the nice catch, and again, Klinkoobiac doesn't have to say it. [SPEAKER_02]: He can say it had nothing to do with the fact that Gentys said that the jets couldn't tackle during the week, but I think we all know it had something to do with the.

[SPEAKER_01]: Rex Ryan was hard on Gen T 2. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you saw that. [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. [SPEAKER_02]: He should be because he's going to be the defect co defensive coordinator, the co co co co co defensive coordinator of the Dallas Cowboys coming up here in a little bit. [SPEAKER_02]: Falcons box 16 nothing buck and years over the Falcons just really quickly offered awesome game.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it was 1974, the Bill, O.J., Joe Ferguson went over to in a 16 to 12 win for the O.J. [SPEAKER_01]: Simpson lead Buffalo Bills. [SPEAKER_01]: Joe Nameth had the games only two completions, but through a three picks, Simpson Rush for 117 yards. [SPEAKER_01]: And before this, that was the only game of the Super Bowl [SPEAKER_02]: Crazy game, but the Buccaneers are back in the mix half the game back.

[SPEAKER_01]: How about that? [SPEAKER_01]: They were on four and a week eight now. [SPEAKER_01]: They are a half a game back in the NFC South. [SPEAKER_02]: If they stop giving the ball to Buccaneer and try to go back to some semblance of a normal offense, I give up. [SPEAKER_02]: I really don't know what to do there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Jacksonville Jaguar's 42 Indianapolis Colt 7. [SPEAKER_02]: This was as thorough of a beat down as you [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Brian Thomas Jr. caught a touchdown in this one, you know, but I think Kurt Trevor Lawrence looked, I mean, the the throw to the throw to got the tight end of the draft in the second round.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to butcher his last name here. [SPEAKER_02]: Nate spoke, spoke. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but, um, it does seem to the F.C. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I mean, I think they, they are as close to a true Superbowl favorite in the NF in the F.C. [SPEAKER_02]: that we have. [SPEAKER_01]: What I like about them is they're not overly reliant on anything like they're just like really good across the board and like you can see it and like you don't know one had more than two catches for them yesterday.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, no one had more than two catches. [SPEAKER_01]: They ran the ball exceptionally well. [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I talked to, to facial, uh, tooting the running back after the game. [SPEAKER_01]: And, um, it was interesting because he said, our bi-week was focused on like being us.

[SPEAKER_01]: How can we be us? [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, what does that mean? [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, I'm gonna pull this up for you here. [SPEAKER_01]: But it was, he did, did, did, did, did, uh, it's been building up. [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a constant. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just being us having the aggressive attacking mindset and opposing our will on the defense or the offense just on the other team period.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's been building up. [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a constant. [SPEAKER_01]: How much we need it. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it was just that the next team is going to feel how we play. [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, going to feel how we play. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're just a.

[SPEAKER_01]: They play Thursday night that one is going to be interesting because it looked like a marquee matchup. [SPEAKER_02]: Now you're probably going to be getting the Joe Fagnano. [SPEAKER_02]: Is that how you pronounce his name? [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's Fagnano. [SPEAKER_01]: It's Fagnano from, you get the Italian family so you can you can help me on that.

[SPEAKER_01]: four games. [SPEAKER_01]: Baltimore, Tennessee. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Baltimore, Tennessee, giants, Tennessee. [SPEAKER_01]: So this team you could, could, you could say should be nine and two going into Chicago, the first week of the summer. [SPEAKER_01]: Indeed. [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's round it out here. [SPEAKER_02]: Rams 24 charges nine. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's not much more to say here. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Justin Herbert is he looks so broken. [SPEAKER_02]: And those are some of the worst picks that I've seen him throw this season. [SPEAKER_02]: And the Rams seem to be getting back to a comfort level.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Rams are like, I think the Rams are taking care of business and there's something to be said for that. [SPEAKER_01]: I think we looked at the life. [SPEAKER_01]: I remember saying this after they lost the cardinals. [SPEAKER_01]: This four games stretchers can be really important. [SPEAKER_01]: They need to sweep it because the back end of their schedules really tough.

[SPEAKER_01]: But Raiders, Chargers, Commanders, Cardinals, they need to sweep those four games. [SPEAKER_01]: They're halfway there. [SPEAKER_01]: Then they get their quote unquote buy, which isn't really a buy because they got to play. [SPEAKER_01]: on the, the, the, was it like high school make out night of the, hey, high school make out night there, the night before Thanksgiving, what are they going to make some bad decisions?

[SPEAKER_01]: And we're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so anyway, but yeah, the, I think the Rams are, the Rams have pulled themselves off the map for sure. [SPEAKER_02]: Patriots 24 Dolphins 19, the Dolphins lead 13 to 3 at half time before the Patriots came back. [SPEAKER_02]: I still think it was a good win because these Dolphins games, like in November, especially for teams in the Northeast, get a little sticky and Malik Willis played a good game.

[SPEAKER_02]: I thought in terms of how many times he was forced to drop back, they were pretty effective, but New England stopped the run. [SPEAKER_02]: They stopped the Allie Gordon train, which I think was important. [SPEAKER_02]: and they just got themselves through this one. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, this is one of those games that you just got to survive.

[SPEAKER_01]: And give Drake make credit to keep played really well, despite not having AJ Brown or Romo Dobbs. [SPEAKER_01]: They were down a couple of starting linemen. [SPEAKER_01]: Like they were pretty beat up. [SPEAKER_01]: They lost 100 Henry in game. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I think Drake made showed his value.

[SPEAKER_01]: He played really well despite the team being really beat up around him. [SPEAKER_02]: Man, there's 27 Eagles 10. [SPEAKER_02]: Again, I think one team had a healthy quarterback and one team is on their third, you know, and I think that's all the difference in this one. [SPEAKER_02]: a couple bad ruffing the pastor calls, which I think we can get into on Thursday, certainly one in this game off the pick.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think the question with the Eagles now is what do they do, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like so. [SPEAKER_01]: I think they've already told us. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's like time to start off loading gold in the wings, filled in the wings. [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_02]: And this plane and get a top five pick for how he rose in pieces. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not saying it's like everything must go, [SPEAKER_01]: There is some available items for shoppers out there on the shelves. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, say Quam Barkley is like the, it's fun. [SPEAKER_02]: Sequon Barkley is the, so I went to my dicks.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I say like, I give ton of credit to Sequon for playing through this like, I actually really like it when guys show how much they love the sport. [SPEAKER_01]: And oh, totally like he wants to play. [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_01]: Like he wants to play. [SPEAKER_01]: This isn't about like managing it or whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like he genuinely loves football. [SPEAKER_01]: I want to go out and play and I have a real appreciation for that. [SPEAKER_02]: say one is the jet section of my local dicks uh because if you go in there there was like a there was like a big giant section and a big jet section second week of September.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now the jet section has been shuttered into the devil's section uh and it's just part of the devil's section so it's like all say one on sale uh come and get it uh while supplies last. [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway uh that does it for us here on the Monday recap show. [SPEAKER_02]: Enjoy the banger!

[SPEAKER_02]: of an MNF matchup tonight and we will be back on Wednesday this week to break it all down because we got teacher convention this week baby. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm off Thursday and Friday. [SPEAKER_02]: Good bye. [SPEAKER_02]: Just kidding. [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be talking about football and watching football and making phone calls as we do.

[SPEAKER_02]: Here on the MNKB podcast. [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks again. [SPEAKER_02]: Miss you soon.

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