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Transform your life with nature as your guide. As the editor-in-chief of Atmos, Willow Defebaugh has dedicated her life to illuminating the wisdom of the natural world. In The Nature Of, she sits down with artists, scientists, and cultural pioneers—from Esther Perel to Maggie Rogers—to uncover what nature can teach us about creativity, connection, and change. Named one of Apple’s best podcasts of the year, new episodes are released biweekly on all streaming platforms.

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  1. Step Into an Enchanted Forest With Robin Wall Kimmerer, Giuliana Furci, and More

    How can we find our way back to wonder? In this special episode, Willow takes listeners inside Enchanted Forest, a magical evening with Atmos at the New York Public Library during Climate Week. Featuring Robin Wall Kimmerer, Maria Popova, G

  2. How To Live a Life Without Regret With Kris Tompkins

    What does it mean to rewild ourselves? This week, Willow speaks with legendary conservationist and former Patagonia CEO Kristine Tompkins about her decades of work rewilding and protecting nature—including over 16 million acres of land and

  3. Why We Fight With the People We Love With Priya Parker

    What if conflict is not something to be avoided, but something that can help us grow? This week, Willow sits down with author and conflict resolution expert Priya Parker to explore what she calls “healthy heat” and how tension can help rela

  4. Are Plants Intelligent? Zoë Schlanger Has the Answer

    What if plants are more intelligent than we've ever imagined? This week, Willow sits down with journalist and The Light Eaters author Zoë Schlanger for a conversation about the hidden lives of plants and what they reveal about intelligence,

  5. Exploring the Edges of the Universe With Chanda Prescod-Weinstein

    What if the universe is stranger and more full of possibility than we've been taught to imagine? This week, Willow sits down with cosmologist and The Edge of Space-Time author Chanda Prescod-Weinstein for a conversation about the cosmos, cu

  6. Lindsay Mack: Growth Is a Spiral, Not a Line

    Lindsay Mack spends their time helping people rewild and reconnect with their intuition—but not in the way you might expect. This week, Willow sits down with the teacher, author, and host of Tarot for the Wild Soul for a conversation about

  7. Rebecca Solnit: Why Cynicism Feels Smart—and Isn't

    Hope isn’t found in looking to the future; it’s in the past. This week, Willow sits down with legendary writer and activist Rebecca Solnit for a conversation about uncertainty, change, and the stories we choose to believe about what’s to co

  8. Vivien Sansour: Saving the Seeds of Palestine

    What can seeds teach us about memory, resilience, and the possibility of renewal? This week, Willow sits down with Vivien Sansour, seed keeper and founder of the Palestine Heirloom Seed Library. They explore how seeds carry stories across g

  9. From Soil to Shelf: The Science of Beauty With Jorge Blanco

    What does it mean for beauty to be part of ecology rather than separate from it? Willow sits down with Jorge Blanco, Davines' North America Culture & Creative Director, for a conversation about regenerative agriculture, green chemistry, and

  10. Maria Popova on Turning Matter Into Meaning

    How do we stay open amid uncertainty? In this episode, Willow sits down with Maria Popova, writer and founder of The Marginalian, for a conversation about meaning, wonder, and the unknown. They explore Maria’s idea that “selfing” sits at th

  11. Pattie Gonia: How Nature Can Help Us Transcend Binaries

    How can we see nature as an invitation to break down binary thinking? In this episode, Willow sits down with environmental drag queen Pattie Gonia to explore the outdoors as a space that bridges divides. From hiking in heels to building com

  12. Artist Olafur Eliasson on Seeing What We’ve Been Blind To

    How can getting in touch with our senses help us reconnect with the world around us? Nature has shaped the work of artist Olafur Eliasson for decades. From glowing suns indoors to melting glaciers in city streets, his installations invite u

  13. Giuliana Furci Is Your Guide to the Enchanting World of Fungi

    Beneath our feet, fungi connect forests, turn death into life, and quietly sustain the world we live in. Mycologist Giuliana Furci has spent decades studying and sensing into them. In this conversation, she invites us to see life differentl

  14. Uncovering the Holy Ordinary with Terry Tempest Williams

    Note: This episode includes a brief mention of death by suicide. Please take care while listening. Willow sits down with award-winning author Terry Tempest Williams to explore the spiritual dimensions of attention, climate change, and our r

  15. Suzanne Simard: How to Be a Mother Tree

    What if the forest is not scenery, but kin? In this episode of The Nature Of, Willow speaks with forest ecologist, Suzanne Simard, about the hidden networks that connect trees beneath our feet and what those relationships reveal about our o

  16. Death Doula Alua Arthur: Dying Is the Secret to Living

    What if remembering we will die is what teaches us how to live? In this episode of The Nature Of, Willow is joined by death doula and New York Times bestselling author, Alua Arthur, to explore how reflecting on our mortality can reshape the

  17. Elizabeth Kolbert: Why Wonder Is Still Worth Searching For

    This week on The Nature Of, Willow speaks with Pulitzer Prize–winning journalist and author Elizabeth Kolbert about what it means to bear witness to a changing world. Drawing from her new book Life on a Little-Known Planet and her landmark

  18. What Makes Life Worth Risking? With Cristina Mittermeier and Paul Nicklen.

    What does it cost to truly document the natural world, and why do some people keep returning even when the risk is real? In this episode of The Nature Of, Willow sits down with renowned conservation photographers Cristina Mittermeier and Pa

  19. Baratunde Thurston on Natural vs. Artificial Intelligence

    What does it mean to live in right relationship with intelligence, human, more than human, and now artificial? In this episode of The Nature Of, Willow sits down with writer, storyteller, and Life With Machines host Baratunde Thurston to ex

  20. Robin Wall Kimmerer: The Land Loves You Back

    In this week’s episode of The Nature Of, Willow sits down with Robin Wall Kimmerer, beloved scientist, author of Braiding Sweetgrass, and member of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation. They explore the shift from learning about to learning from n

  21. Roxane Gay: How Feminism Grows From Here

    Movements evolve the way ecosystems do—through tension, adaptation, and collective resilience. In this episode, Willow is joined by writer and cultural critic Roxane Gay to explore the shifting landscape of feminism. Together, they revisit

  22. Kate Marvel Will Change How You Feel About Planet Earth

    In this episode, host Willow Defebaugh is joined by renowned climate scientist and writer Kate Marvel for a conversation about her book, Human Nature: Nine Ways to Feel About Our Changing Planet. With poetic insight and scientific precision

  23. Robert Macfarlane on Embracing Flow and Letting Rivers Heal Us

    What does it mean to move like a river and to live in flow with the world around us? In this episode, Willow is joined by one of the world’s most celebrated nature writers, Robert Macfarlane, to follow the many forms of flow—of water, of la

  24. Suleika Jaouad on Living Every Day Like It’s Your First

    How can we alchemize pain into possibility? In this episode, Willow is joined by bestselling author, artist, and three-time cancer survivor Suleika Jaouad to explore the nature of imagination as a tool to help us navigate life’s most imposs

  25. ‘The Nature Of’ Returns Oct. 21

    The Nature Of is coming back with even more inspiring conversations. Every other week. All year long. Join us as we continue walking this path towards reconnection with ourselves, each other, and the Earth. New episodes begin on October 21,

  26. Esther Perel on Interconnection and Curing Modern Loneliness

    How can the way we cultivate relationships with one another offer insight into healing our fractured relationship with nature? In this episode, Willow is joined by renowned psychotherapist and bestselling author Esther Perel, whose work has

  27. Maggie Rogers on How to Protect—and Nurture—Your Creativity

    Nature is the ultimate artist—shaping landscapes over millennia, sculpting coastlines with waves, and composing symphonies in birdsong. In this episode, Grammy-nominated musician Maggie Rogers joins Willow for a conversation on creative rhy

  28. Bayo Akomolafe: How to Move Through Chaos Without Needing Control

    What if the rupture of these tumultuous times is not an ending, but an opening? In this episode, Willow speaks with Bayo Akomolafe, philosopher, poet, and thinker whose work challenges us to step beyond binaries and into the fertile, unpred

  29. Wildlife Photographer Ami Vitale on Why Intimacy Will Save Us

    In the season finale of The Nature Of, award-winning photographer and filmmaker Ami Vitale joins Willow for a powerful and emotional conversation about witnessing extinction and choosing hope, drawing on her extensive career photographing t

  30. Maggie Baird on the One Thing You Can Do for the Planet Every Day

    In this episode, we explore the nature of food as a profound act of care—with the power to transform not only our health and the planet, but the very systems we live within. Maggie Baird, longtime activist, founder of Support + Feed, and mo

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