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The Rest Is Politics’ Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart interview politicians, leaders, intellectuals, and more.

From inside and outside of politics, guests join Rory and Alastair to discuss life, leadership, and the philosophy that’s led them to success in their chosen field. Their conversations cover key political events, global affairs, and the big ideas shaping the world today, offering listeners in-depth perspectives from those at the heart of change.

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  1. 212. What Happens When The World Stops Trusting America? (Michael Lewis)

    Why did Elon Musk really go to Washington, and was DOGE ever about cutting government at all? What happens when the world stops trusting America, and could the next financial crisis already be under way? What will Trump do if he loses the m

  2. 211. Trump's Niece on Why He's On Putin's Side

    How did Donald Trump’s childhood shape the president we see today? Why was Mary Trump cut out of her grandfather’s billion-dollar will? Why does he want to see Europe fail? Alastair and Rory are joined by Mary Trump, Donald Trump’s niece an

  3. 210. Rory and Alastair Interview Prime Minister Andy Burnham

    With the Trump administration planning to livestream a firing squad execution, should the UK take a stand? How will Andy Burnham change Britain’s relationship with the EU? Why has he agreed to publish details of meetings following the Manch

  4. 209. Shabana Mahmood: Palestine Action, Faith, and What I Told Starmer

    Should Palestine Action stay banned? Why can't Britain just send small boats straight back to France? Can faith and public duty coexist in modern British politics? Rory and Alastair are joined by the Home Secretary, Shabana Mahmood, to answ

  5. 208. Mustafa Suleyman: Is AI Actually Conscious?

    Can Artificial Intelligence stay subordinate? Is Anthropic’s 100-Page constitution creating dangerous AI autonomy? Should AI models be granted legal personhood, rights, or financial compensation? CEO of Microsoft AI, and co-founder and form

  6. 207. Gordon Brown: How to Fix a Fracturing World

    What did Gordon Brown learn from leading the UK through the global financial crisis? Why do so many citizens today not belong to any civic or religious group, and how does that impact our politics? How can middle powers come together to riv

  7. 206. How Putin's War Changed Finland Forever (Sanna Marin)

    Following Putin's war in Ukraine, how politically challenging was it committing Finland to join NATO? What was it like becoming the world's youngest sitting prime minister at 34? Why did a scandal over dancing at a private party become a na

  8. 205. Anthony Scaramucci: Why America Keeps Making the Same Mistakes

    Why does Anthony Scaramucci think Osama bin Laden is “winning”, and what has the War on Terror really cost America? From letting China into the WTO to bailing out the banks in 2008, how did America's own leaders pave the way for Donald Trum

  9. 204. Will a Wealth Tax Actually Fix Britain? (Dan Neidle)

    Why does tax expert Dan Neidle take Gabriel Zucman seriously as a thinker on inequality, but dismiss Gary Stevenson's warnings as populism? What did he uncover in Peter Mandelson's emails, and how did he expose Nadhim Zahawi's tax affairs?

  10. 203. The Man Taking On Infantino: UEFA President Aleksander Čeferin

    How did UEFA president Aleksander Čeferin lead the revolt that tore apart Gianni Infantino's plan to privatise the World Cup? Is Infantino finished as FIFA President after alienating the European federations who once put him there? What doe

  11. 202. Is Peace in the Middle East Closer Than We Think? (A Palestinian & An Israeli's View)

    How do an Israeli who lost his parents on October 7th and a Palestinian whose brother died after torture in Israeli prisons come together to reject revenge and build a brotherhood for peace? Why do they believe lasting peace between Israel

  12. 201. How Westminster Breaks Politicians and Why Britain Isn't Ready for War

    Is Britain's military being left behind as drones and AI rewrite the rules of modern warfare? Is British politics broken beyond repair, and does Johnny Mercer's ruthless fight for veterans reveal what's really wrong with Westminster? Why di

  13. 200. Count Binface: Nigel Farage's Biggest Threat?

    Is Count Binface really Nigel Farage's biggest threat in Clacton, and has Farage already lost by turning "me against the establishment" into a battle against a bin? Does Binface's manifesto hide serious politics beneath the comedy? Could a

  14. 199. Is Trump's Chaos Pushing Iceland Towards the EU? (Prime Minister of Iceland, Kristrún Frostadóttir)

    What are the real reasons Iceland has brought forward its vote on restarting accession talks with the EU? What lessons did the Prime Minister learn from watching Brexit unfold while living in the UK, and how have those experiences shaped he

  15. 198. How Trump’s Imperial Presidency Really Works

    How does the most chaotic White House in history actually make decisions? How did Netanyahu sell Trump on a regime change war in Iran? Who is the only world leader Trump is truly afraid of? Alastair is joined by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan

  16. 197. The Billionaire Tax Debate (Gabriel Zucman)

    Can the super rich ever be fairly taxed, or are there too many functioning tax havens? Can capitalism survive the ever growing disparity between the top 1% and the rest? Should billionaires exist at all? Rory and Alastair are joined by econ

  17. 196. How America Talks Itself Into Endless Wars

    What does the gap between American foreign policy rhetoric and reality reveal about the failures of its military interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Iran? In an age of algorithm-driven political polarisation, can authentic politi

  18. 195. Can the West Reclaim its Power from Trump? (Malcolm Turnbull)

    As Western nations become increasingly dependent on the US for AI, satellite infrastructure, and defence, are they sacrificing sovereignty in exchange for American security? Can middle powers such as Australia and the UK pursue genuinely in

  19. 194. Is Putin Losing His Grip on Russia?

    With war fatigue growing and polls showing increasing dissatisfaction with life in Russia, is Vladimir Putin beginning to lose control? What is really happening inside Russia today? And what is it like to report the truth from inside one of

  20. 193. James Cleverly: Why Has There Been A Radical Shift On The Right?

    What does James Cleverly think of Nigel Farage and Reform? How does Cleverly explain his unexpected exit from the Tory leadership race? What could the future of AI in Great Britain look like under different leadership? Sir James Cleverly jo

  21. 192. Are We On The Brink Of World War III? (Odd Arne Westad)

    How similar is today's world to the months before the outbreak of World War I? Could Taiwan, India-China tensions, or an unforeseen crisis be the spark that sets the world ablaze? Are our leaders too consumed by domestic politics to prevent

  22. 191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

    Why is one of AI's most powerful insiders scared of what he's building? Who's really in charge of the technology reshaping our world? Is it too late for governments to regulate it? Rory and Matt Clifford are joined by Jack Clark, Co-Founder

  23. 190. How the Media Still Misunderstands Trump (Tina Brown)

    Why does Trump understand the media better than the media understands him? Are tech billionaires like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos more dangerous to journalism than Rupert Murdoch ever was? What did Tina Brown see change in Trump from the '80s

  24. 189. Rahm Emanuel: China, Technology, and the Future of the Democratic Party

    Will Rahm Emanuel run to be the next President of the United States? What were the underlying policy disagreements regarding West Bank settlements that led to Benjamin Netanyahu publicly attacking Rahm Emanuel? And, what approach would he t

  25. 188. Will AI Give China or the US Total Power? (William MacAskill)

    Could artificial intelligence hand the US or China 99% of global economic and military power? What happens when millions of autonomous weapons systems are controlled by a single commander-in-chief? Has effective altruism's influence in Sili

  26. 187. Yanis Varoufakis: How The 2008 Crisis Revived Far-Right Populism

    Was the 2008 financial crisis as consequential as the 1929 Wall Street Crash? How did it pave the way for Trump, Brexit, and the rise of the far-right across Europe? Will the economic damage caused by Trump’s war with Iran outlast the confl

  27. 186. President Aleksandar Vučić: Russia, China, and How Serbia Could Join the EU

    How does President Vučić justify Serbia's geopolitical balancing act between Russia, China, and the European Union? Why does he warn that if the EU further delays enlargement, the United States might seize the opportunity to build its own s

  28. 185. Can Labour Win Back Scotland? (Anas Sarwar)

    Does the Leader of Scottish Labour regret calling for Keir Starmer to resign over his appointment of Peter Mandelson as US Ambassador? In the upcoming election, would he consider putting Scottish Labour into a coalition with the Reform Part

  29. 184. President of Ukraine: Volodymyr Zelenskyy

    At a time when the United States is threatening to withdraw from NATO, how can Europe maximise its power to deter Russia's threat? If Vladimir Putin were given the territory Donald Trump offered in his peace plan, what would his next move b

  30. 183. From Bradford to Westminster: Faith, Identity, and Power (Naz Shah)

    How did Naz Shah’s experience growing up in Bradford and her experience with her family in the legal system influence her to go into politics? What does it mean for a political party to truly “stand for something” in modern Britain? How can

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