Malcolm Gladwell & Chris Chavez Think We're Selling Running All Wrong

Malcolm Gladwell is a staff writer at The New Yorker, bestselling author, and podcaster. Chris Chavez is a journalist, podcaster, and the founder of CITIUS MAG.

I just passed a thousand episodes, which has me rethinking what I want this to feel like. So for this one, no agenda, no notes. Just three podcasters rolling the dice.

Where it went: the art of the interview. Farming attention with integrity. The state of running. Why America loses at the sports it thinks it should dominate. Enjoy!

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