152: Walking Over It with Gabe Cuzzillo and Bennett Foddy (Baby Steps)

Rob, Doug, Andy, and Sarah chat with Gabe Cuzzillo (Ape Out, Despelote) and Bennett Foddy (Getting Over It with Bennett Foddy, QWOP) about their (with Maxi Boch) latest game, the multi-IGF-nominated open-world hard-walking manchild simulator Baby Steps. We discuss the game's in-house approach to voice acting, balancing challenge with humor, creating (and hiding) a looping environment, telling an honest story about masculinity, including explicit content without getting banned from Steam, rock curation, secrets, and so much more!
Audio edited by Dylan Shumway
Discussed in this episode:
Baby Steps babystepsgame.com
Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist imdb.com/title/tt0111942
My Summer Car store.steampowered.com/app/516750/My_Summer_Car
zk map (for stranger) glorioustrainwrecks.com/node/11388
La belle noiseuse (1991) imdb.com/title/tt0101428
Kelly Reichardt imdb.com/name/nm0716980
Perfect Days (2023) imdb.com/title/tt27503384
The Taste of Things (2023) imdb.com/title/tt19760052
NYU Game Center Lecture Series Presents Jane Ng youtube.com/watch?v=3yWIoRuwpm0
DESPELOTE: FIFTH TRAILER (now on nintendo switch) youtube.com/watch?v=_MXKlgMZ3Jc
The Love That Remains (2025) imdb.com/title/tt33381401
Solo (Australian ad) 1983 youtube.com/watch?v=CCkz0JsaU8k
Solo Man ad, Australia 1986 youtube.com/watch?v=6T3RS78Tp58
Solo (Australian ad) 1984 youtube.com/watch?v=N_1nZZrv8aU
Frog Detective 3 store.steampowered.com/app/1171320/Frog_Detect…
secretlives.games
discord.gg/tslog
patreon.com/tslog