AI Personal Assistants are ruining people lives

All my all my points for the stand-up somehow just disappeared out of my OBS They'll give me one second give me one second. Sorry. Oh the point Points I think he's talking outline. Oh Yeah, there's the care. Oh, that's a spoiler bro. That's a big time All right, all right you guys ready to start the stand-up I forgot we're even doing that I'm in a bunch, but I'm like pretty ready to go. I don't know what you guys do it I'm just trying to film the time because you look like you're trying to fix things still Welcome to the stand-up this week we have with us some legendary guests We have a trash dev we have T.H.D.V. and first-time pod on the podcast bash bunny long-time friend though All right, this is gonna be a unique week because it is gonna be a little bit faster pace

We're gonna cover a couple more stories than normal and That's because this week has just been super strange and I'm not really sure how to describe it other than probably this image right here Maybe this is the best way to describe what has been going on for those that can't see this is Gary Tann president and CEO of Y Combinator in a full body suit lobster outfit Let's just say that people have open cloth fever right now Second off, there's another really great tweet that I thought would be kind of fun to show which is that Like 40 some thousand accounts are currently just completely wide open with open cloth Where that means that anyone could just log on and have admin privileges to your entire life and there's just

Thousands upon thousands of these available on the internet and just one more the head of AI alignment and safety at meta Accidentally had her inbox deleted and then after having her inbox deleted by open claw Decided I'm going to tweet this and went on the internet and told everybody I you wouldn't be able to get that out of me no matter what I would be hiding that information forever Yeah, I got a quick clarification on that prime. Yeah, there is zero percent chance. You wouldn't leak that that happened Well, yeah, but it'd be by accident We would find out we would find out. Hey, is that HTTP get that out of here That's not how we order coffee we order coffee by a SSH terminal dot shop. Yeah, you want a real experience

You want real coffee you want awesome subscriptions, so you never have to remember again Oh, you want exclusive blends with exclusive coffee and Exclusive content then check out cron. You don't know what SSH is Well, maybe the coffee's not for you In All right, so I guess I guess the real question is has I know we're we're gonna probably have a much different experience in the Y combinator podcast of everyone dressed up as a lobster has anyone here tried out one of these AI personal assistants No, no because I'm terrified of myself No, not yet. I mean, I run I run a lot of except all dangerously permissions on like a pewter But I'm at the screen for when that happens like this virtual came I'm on right now because I'm calling in from Linux today

OBS didn't have it and I just said install all the packages. You need to make that work and then it did I don't know if it installed anything else What you didn't know but I have working virtual cam in one try, so that was cool Actually, yeah on Linux on Linux first try art she even I hear videos getting easier these days not that I'm actually gonna do anything with it But I hear it's still easier than audio. That's like the general consensus. Okay, but real question It are any of you in the next little bit going to be trying out these autonomous bots. I Think I will be I was yeah, I was gonna say trash will be yeah I was talking to some people and they were like giving me like a little demo and I was like, man, that's pretty cool

So if I could just like build stuff all I'm just like Chilling in your pancake somewhere. I'm gonna try it. So actually this past week and I started embracing vibe coding Wars I started vibe coding a lot of like iOS app So I'm gonna start using like these agents so I can just start prompting from wherever I am That's pretty good. Yeah, then the assistant thing like I've been doing a lot of remote like cloud stuff I I've done like two billion tokens in the last But but that's different than the assistant stuff the system stuff is like I want to hook it up to my email So it can like book a reservation for me and my wife and then remind me that it's Valentine's day today or something You know what I mean? Yeah, so my primary use case for that is I currently get spam calls from like all these financial like debt loans or whatever

So I'm trying to see if I can use it like open claw or whatever to just like somehow block all those or just like Not for me. It's like a question. Why do you get those spam calls trash? Is there anything that you wish to tell us? Well, I'll be honest I thought it was real at first and I start freaking out But after about five I about after five hundred calls from the same woman I assume they're fake at this point So we need I just need to get them out my inbox seriously 10 like 10 times a day. I got to delete my voice meals All the time. I don't know how to stop it. You have to are you're not blocking that you do not blocking the number There's you block it, but they just call from a different number. Oh

Okay, I thought you were saying though you were getting a call from the same lady isn't like it was the same number every time Oh, that's how I knew their fake. I was like there's no way there's one that keep calling me. That's this may times impossible I didn't know this many people wanted to talk to me Trash, maybe you like maybe you leaked the shirtless pick. I don't know. You know, I don't know possibly. Yeah All right, so so trash you're actually gonna give it a try and your current try is to do something that other software already does I need to try to do a little bit of personal assistance on it. Like have you done any research?

That's my personal assistance is to make my life better. Dude the Smart burn on the on the apple phone. It just silences the call But it doesn't like go through your inbox and like automatically clean it up. Oh Can you make it go into your dude? That seems crazy. I do not I do not need it going through and delete Open call to do whatever it wants. That's true. It's a compete. It's it's it's a side everything's open to it I guess I don't know For it. I think it is open, but TJ. Yeah, obviously obviously you can go through inboxes and delete stuff Great point. I mean, I just I'm right here. Well, that's your email I don't know if it could do like your local voicemail on your phone or something But I should I should just assume that yes, it can do absolutely everything

Poorly. I haven't said a voicemail in over 10 years. So I don't know how it works these days. I Don't know if it's changed Because it before you like with your provider would do your voicemails now could be like local and people they get transcripts and things are a lot different Then they used to be you what do you mean set it up dude?

It's just like you get a phone and you can leave a voicemail on someone's phone call me right now. I'm I can't Dead seriously call me right now. Okay, not does that does Android not come with voicemail? Don't show the screen when it rings Yeah Don't like the worst bumble. I'm calling right now It does say your number so Yeah, that's fine. There's no way. He probably doesn't know People people are so respectful Ignore so it goes the voicemail. No, no, we're gonna play it out. I want to make sure that people all right TJ That's the worst put it up to hey TJ put put your phone turn the phone. Okay All right, I'm gonna ignore you. It's there. Don't show your phone screen They definitely enhance What

How do people reach you what if there's an emergency? Then what I will either answer my phone or I won't bitch text me. I don't need Something that you have to actively go do. I just got a phone and it has voicemail Yeah, yeah, it's been so long that I don't even know I've switched services. I'm not setting that I'm not setting that up Yeah, I don't Open clock it set it up for you open clock could set this up. I ain't set it up. I'm never setting it up Okay, well mine works that maybe I did something I guess a while ago. I don't know Yeah, you actually set it up and then you forgot about and you're just like Doesn't have my voice message. I just says a Google Fi user has not been able to get to the phone here

You go that's what it says. Okay, that might be a Google thing Google might actually automatically have it set up for you the original open clock The original they're original What are these iOS apps that you're vibing? What are these iOS apps that you're vibing? It's a secret because I'm a big lunatic. I'm skinning a lot is specifically one specifically for me and my wife So there's like this we hit we hit we get these arguments where I'm like man you just left food in the sink again She's like oh, I left food in the sink again was the last time I did that and I'm like I know she's like she's like that's right You can't tell me and I'm like bitch. I'm making an app to log this shit This is literally episode three season one of black mirror where you the the entire history of you

You're like trying to like re-wine to be like oh yeah, you did this last week I'm literally like I'm so close to like a hundred dollars in and it's almost done. I swear trash pro tip Can I give can I give you a pro tip just a quick tip? It's actually No, it's actually not about vibe-coding the pro tip would just be you say you're so right honey my bad I'll clean that up So this is that this is the other aspect of it is like I don't want to cause an argument So I'm using like AI to tell me how to frame it better. So I don't sound like a douche care Can I can I also hop in on a Work this one. Yeah, you see some dirty dishes in the sink and you just clean them up. I do but I'm still Here and if they say yes, you go you clean those up and you learn yourself some responsibility

And if it's not your kids, you go clean these up. Not a big deal. I think you're gonna say if it's not your kids You say hey kids you want to earn your room and board Yeah, but no, but that's that's my that's my up idea that I'm currently building right now So then I can I originally call their receipts so I can be like here's the receipts So funny, but the AI was like that's a little too aggressive for a title Trash quick question. She know that you're building this no She tried to she like walked up one time I close my laptop was that I'm just gonna hit you with like photo evidence and she's probably either gonna divorce me or she's gonna use it against me Someone like her use it to and we're just gonna like battle

Test no problem is it's gonna be you're gonna find out afterwards. You're the one that's always doing it 10 times is off I think my wife's listening are you outside the door listening? Trash, my wife is really listening to the conversation My wife is literally listening outside the door right now Bring her away bring her on the pod Bring her on the pod trash come on. Don't do it trash. Come on. I'm not exposing my wife to the internet Go away. I heard you're like eating a bowl of cereal. I'll tell the door ridiculous That I'll put him that on the app Your days are number woman you should call you should have like the subtitle of your app receipts Be speedrunning divorce any percent But yeah, that's that's what I'm doing with my eyes. I love that bash. Do you have anything going on?

I'm I have not been I have not been vibe coding actually I guess I did technically vibe code a little something for for stream Um, just so I added a little schedule command that went with that works with nightbot so that would because everyone gets confused on time zones So I did that and then I've been working on a little a little blog post management thing for myself as a little personal project no vibes And that's been good except I'm now at the point where I'm like experiencing all of the all of the foot guns that previous me Has has set out for myself. So I'm at that point where I'm like it's forced refactor If you if you like experiencing foot guns, you should really try vibe coding Literally

Tell me more trash I don't know. I'm a swift expert at this point. So at least you have a plot skill that says you are yeah, yeah Okay, I'm you look at the code yet But you don't do much to vibing at all then you're still all you're all track coding Well, I think it's kind of like I think I would I would do it more But I feel like right now I feel like my my main goal is actually that like friction, you know My main goal is like learning right now and like I want to just I'm happy. I enjoy the the struggle Um Yeah, I I think that if it was something where I like just want the results Then that's like I'd be happy to do it at a vibe but Yeah, with this project, I'm just like no, I want to I want to feel it all

I'll tell you what though. I'm in I'm in prime sold code base that work. Hey, I cannot help me in that code base Yeah, that's a one Did you figure out how focus works? No, you don't know anything. I don't know anything about anything. It's insane. Uh, okay For those that don't understand Which is what he's dealing with nrdp netflix ready device platform. Uh, that means never knew that Okay, your team bro Anyways, just been there for many years you've been there since the great crash which you caused and you still haven't even know this uh, okay So nrdp is like a browser it is almost up to date with all browser standards But there's also things that browsers do that you just don't realize such as focus

I've ever thought about the fact that when you like You like hover your mouse over something like there's focus when you click on a box. There's focus If you try to move around there's no focus. Oh, it's focused So there's this uh, if you look through there I think they used to use perkowski distances. I don't know if it's changed But they do like programmatic calculation of focuses and all that kind of stuff And so if you can figure out how focus works and here's the best part is since everyone got react-pilled Focus works through react So props there's like selected and all this it is beautiful. It is a be like everything's a higher order component How great is the higher order components trash on a scale of one to ten how much fun are you having?

zero I'm trying to have like AI help me like dissect the code base like what does this do And I don't I don't even know if it's telling the truth or not to be honest, but I'm believing it So we'll find out that's me get it six months Okay, all right. We'll put it on the calendar You know what I just what I put on the calendar That's just about to come up that I know how to put it on the calendar Oh, I don't mind me in six months. Oh, we've got to remind me in six months Uh is about the Apple iPhone strap thing I know case he's gonna get make fun of me so much next week for saying that I thought apple people We're gonna buy it and I've never seen one in public It's coming next week Wait, it's coming as an it's dropping or you bought one in it. No, no

I'm saying the six month reminder that where I If you will see one public by now and he said definitely not and it's been six months I think so. Yeah, sorry trap. That was like three weeks ago. Yeah, sorry. Sorry to break that to you Um, prime kid. I want to hear more about the stories that you had Which stories the ones at the beginning. I thought we were gonna talk about them Oh, yeah, we can talk about the stories. All right for those. Yeah, I mean, I did that that's totally cool I think this is my I mean, this is obviously the probably the most hilarious of them all Do you want to hear about this?

Yeah, this is interesting. Yeah, honestly, that's why I wasn't sure if you actually wanted to hear about this I'm on stage. Oh, no, I just moved my chat. There you go. Oh, yeah, we're back into place This one right here that you can see obviously on the screen because it's very clear And it's definitely the proper size and everything and you're not having problems seeing it That is a text message back and forth. So this is a head head of safety and AI alignment at Metta So this person should be knowing a lot about how AI works. How's that open-glaw zoom open-glaw in hands open-glaw Oh my god It's why do people trust this?

Great question, Bash great This is the most confusing part about the whole thing is that they Is that any like so many people are launching into this so fast to kind of put into perspective Linux has 218,000 stars Open-glaw has like 221,000 stars last time I checked That's insane. So that's a lot more than November or October So it's like a straight-up curve There immediately like everybody's jumping on to this idea of a personal assistant I think I understand why it would be convenient if I just had somebody that's like you'll find me flowers and make They're sure they come on the state and I could just like say that and then it just goes off and does things like I see the appeal of having something I can just tell to do a bunch of stuff too

Yeah, but also if you just read the text in here, which is it it says no do not do that no stop stop Like just over and over again just a little more context people do not know the story Okay, the story is very very simple The head of alignment and safety at Netflix decides to give open-glaw world no Sorry, I met him gives open-glaw world hooks it up to her email and then I assume the thing that happened before this was Please clean out my inbox for all like a bunch of old junk mail or something like that And it decides that effectively 24 hours and older is bad emails And just starts deleting everything that's 24 hours and older and just keeps on going as fast as possible until she can get to her computer and control see it

Because she didn't know how to stop it from her phone Yeah, I love exec nuclear option It's like it's like when you're when you have a dog and your dog is like eating something you're like no stop Yeah, it's like it's like you This is like a dog in this Yeah, you're trying to grab the chicken bone out of its mouth like Well, it's the poop it on the carpet. Don't poop on the floor No, for me, it's your option. I'm nuclear option Trash that is so funny for me. It's uh when the dog starts making the throw sound You're laying in bed and you're you're like you're running out of bed the blanket's on you like no It's just like on the carpet my dog always runs for the carpet as opposed to running for like the hardwoods

Because you know, it's like grass I think she's like trying to be helpful or something. I'm not really sure what's going on But now she's fighting you bro. She's fighting you Just like do my cat did that but my cat would jump off the bed and go underneath the bed to where I can't grab him And I'm just like I'm like trying to reach like I read the bed. I'm like no my cat's just like And then after like a minute I'm like fucking fantastic. Guess I'm cleaning that up before in the morning hate it So Yeah, you know what I don't even want to try it anymore It might peep on the rug It might be on the rug There is one I forgot. I forgot to put this one in which I am a little bit uh Surprise I can't tell if this is actually real or not real like at this point in life

I can't tell when things are actually just we're faking stuff. I forgot I had my transitions on So he's just transitioned honest Oh, you're the private jet. Oh, okay. Oh, he's shit. That's the private jet. Yeah, welcome guys So I know that this is from programmer humor But this is the state of affairs. We're currently in with open claw which this one's kernel mode You just they're jokingly or this is actually dead serious I never actually went and figured it out which is that it can just apparently operate as pseudo You just give it pseudo privileges at all times and it just can go in and out of any privileged access that it needs I know this is generally a joke, but people would use this immediately

Yeah, and go and be like oh, yeah, we just give it always have it have as much access as possible So if it just needs to delete root it can just delete root or read anything from anywhere Like we should just let it have that like that is gonna be the final state of this all Even though I don't think this I mean, I I don't believe that's real at all Uh, it will be someone can even build it right now I don't even know if it's possible to build it will be are people like self-hosting them the model No, yeah Many's right I thought that everyone's by You guys you guys are so all right, let's break out the whiteboard Yeah, yeah someone someone in chat is also confused about the black minis. Where do they fall into this?

So okay, so you buy one of these okay, you buy one of these You got one. Okay, of course I got club local host later. So he has to have his club This is my this is the key card that I used to get in the club local host Okay, you can't just show up and say oh, I'm running in the cloud. No, no, you have to have one of these What do you buy this for? It's so that it can do eye message That's the only reason people are buying this they are paying on their Their clawed pro max $200 a month to then run this separately. Okay, they're not gonna this is just a box Yes, aren't they using what what model do you think they have?

That they can run locally fast enough to go do everything in their life and go do Model things and every fair $600 dollars No, fuck it late One one trillion percent one trillion percent They are not hosting their models locally on this So let me get this straight people are buying Thousands of dollars worth of computer to get access to eye message yes, and the other thing the other thing the other reason you use this All the websites check to see if it's coming from a stupid safari browser on mac and say oh, it's probably not a bot Because no one's stupid enough to buy hardware to run their bot farms on a mac So you get captured less and other things less. That's the other reason that people are doing that yeah

I'm dead. I'm one I'm one trillion percent serious. They are not running local models You cannot run a serious model on just one of these Yeah, but you can probably want to run a 1.5 bit quantized Kimmy K on there quick question prime You are already stupid to hook up your whole life to an AI mom. You want to give it to a one that's an imbicile Okay Oh, why I want to put on the slowest dumbest version of the personal assistant possible that Come on Are people using different models with with quad?

Dot open AI bought Basically bought they hired the guy if you can use any model you want you just put in a different key and it will just say I want 5.3 code extra on it or I want 4.6 opus or I want whatever But they're definitely not local hosting the model Okay, I thought because there are some people that have like the series of macminis all hooked together I think those ones are because they have 64 gigs of unified memory on them Yeah, but that's not the same person who buys this turns open claw on hooks it up to the internet and says please anyone Access my whole entire life Oh my god the privacy's dead There's there's not only they are shipping their entire life up to the model to the cloud

Like every every single thing every email that you have every single question you have everything Not even just like oh what I happen to type in chat you see they're like you have my whole life put it in there Yes, it is one trillion percent people are not running these locally The FBI is like finally Yeah NSA has never been happy or ever they're like oh there's that many people are open Okay, cool. Yeah, yeah with completely completely open open clause. They just go troll around the internet they can find them Yeah, so that is that is kind of like the part one of the insanity that's happening in the Silicon Valley I figured it's a good time to kind of move on to part two Yep, which parts two

This one's gonna have many points, but I think the one that we just need to really just focus in on is this right here Oh, this is my favorite one For those who have not seen this This your first off you'll notice that if you look right next to the guy in the center in the white I forgot his name. He's the prime minister of India, right? Yes, that's correct. Can you enhance this on hands?

No, there's this is this is not gonna get in hands. This is I'm playing this off of windows media point Oh, he's see that, but I'm wondering why don't you tell I was gonna say Full screen it freezes Riverside. Oh, okay Don't you may have forgot how crazy I'm 90% done with vibe coding a Riverside replacement By the way, TJ actually that's every single app ever created is dude, bro. I'm 90% done Yeah, we'll check me out next we don't need any more check me on next. Okay, we'll be on we'll be on ours All right, let's do it all right. I think clonbot can make this ledge less jp. Oh quick. Sorry. Wait one sec one sec one sec You're Riverside clone right now All right, here we go. So let's play this. So first uh bash from our perspective

Uh the the guy on the right to the prime minister of India is Sam Altman the person to his right or to our right is Is a CEO of anthropic Dario. This is at a big AI summit in India. Yes Yeah, so that you can see behind it. It's impact summit. So this is like the biggest thing and so for whatever reason The prime minister has decided that everybody needs to hold hands at the end to show that they're like that And look at Sam a look at Sam put his hand away pull it away And then look at them. There's like two people in there that are that are not holding hands with the person next to them And it's Sam and Dario their hands are spread apart Right at the top right there This is what I'm wondering if you go back like a couple frames

He looks behind Dario to like the guy next to him like did you want to hold like other guys hand instead? Because he knew that Dario's standing next to him But he still looks like he's like for someone else. See that like who's he look? He's in the behind Look at his face. He's like yeah, someone else trying to hold hands like where is he looking?

That's actually such a good point. Did he think he was going to just go around a Dario? Myself he's looking at honestly think that was going through his head He's like I got to hold someone's hand in any his so maybe it's the other day because look at this He starts with his hand down. He look at it. He's looking. He is wishfully contemplating Dario I wish this was pulled back just a little bit further and we could see Dario's expression at the same time Is Dario recoiling even more?

You know is Dario? Is Sam like oh, maybe we will maybe won't and then Dario's like I wish I could see Sam was like looking like look at that. Maybe he was getting ready to Yeah, they're looking down the hands. Look at it. They're both looking They both see they both see that they're the ones not holding hands. So that's for sure That's for sure. This makes me cringe so hard Oh, it makes I love it. But maybe okay hold on. So now I'm actually I'm gonna actually have to say that Sam is vindicated And that it was Dario because here's why because look at them. They were both looking at the hands, right Yeah, and then Sam looks like he's like okay. He like leans it up and he goes. Oh, they looks for like help like hey

Yeah, you like like who am I supposed to hold your hand? Yeah, like maybe that's what's going on there. He's just like uh they turn Look at the mystery's like Jesus Yeah, yeah, I know I like look like you're it's like you're dad watching like your brother's fight or something like oh my god Can't you think the prime minister was a theater and because this is kind of giving theater kid energy It is big time theater kid energy great You all hold hands you raise your hands up and you bow together and then they got to say up to the crew down to the pit Thanks everyone for coming exactly. Yeah Yeah, I don't know if India has the same play Uh cultural mechanics that we do so this may just simply be pretty timeless

We are all no, I don't know if it's timeless. We're all going to uh We're all trying to shape the future together. Everyone hold hands in unison is how I read that not as a theater kid ends the show I like batches interpretation batter Okay And then there are the two kids that were in the in the crew that were marriage Heather because they both didn't get head crew member Because they don't play nice with others and they're like I deserve that spot. I wish I'd have been manning the spotlights I should know Michael Jackson with the all the hands like to you the world or something Beat it or we are the world I know what it is. It's it's I know it's a bit of a white. It's black or white No, it's like a song where everyone has a part in it and they all sing like their own section

Ebony and ivory Is it like something in the world heal the world something in chat knows It's like we are. Hey, Julia. We're not allowed. We're not allowed to like Michael Jackson. Oh, we are the world That was right. Someone said we're the world. This is like the modern day. We are the world But for yeah, and then they didn't hold hands And no one oh, you don't want to you don't want to like soul's presentation Okay, can you play it out in real time too to get a feel for how long they're standing there at the end?

Because it's a long time where they're both just going like this Yes, hold on and I let me get let me get it back. Let me get it back. I love that at the end. Yeah, they start touching forearms so weird You they are that's They're literally just rubbing forearms together So there we go. We're multiple seconds in at this point Well, I do like this right here. Hold on. I'm gonna slow it down. Dario still has not done it Sam's cheering by himself, but Dario still has his hand down There you go. Oh, they just hit shoulders and then they stand here at least for another five seconds For photos, and then my video cuts off, but they continue to stand there for photos. Yeah I love that. Okay. I will say Dario has his hand aggressively down

That's see that's kind of when I was saying I Kind of look like Number one, they're probably surprised because I'm sure their PR teams would have told them you guys have to hold hands or not stand next to each other Like if you can't play nice don't play at all situation here, but So they're surprised it looks to me like Sam is trying to figure out how to hold Dario's hand and Dario's like I'll sue you I will say that you're trying to distill our models. Okay, you are trying to osmosis steel my energy you demon It is yeah Dario was working for open AI at one point. He left over safety concerns And now he runs anthropic Which is kind of the topic just give it a there safety stuff Then they just like water down there safety

Yes, which is very very funny because open AI water down their safety stuff not too long ago And now anthropic just got done watering down theirs All right, you know what? I didn't know that I'm team Dario What? Your team's burial I know how did that go with Dario? Oh Like nobody likes Sam everybody hates Dario Oh Oh, sorry guys. I'm under a rock. Okay. This is the first time I've ever heard of Dario I don't know who he is. I'm team. I'm team open code. There we go. That's what I got. They're actually believe it or not not competitors I'm just saying I'm still my AI people with AI monies right now. Okay. Okay Got it. I think they're model. I'm calling it prediction. Did you are gonna explain to bash the things?

Because you look like you were getting ready to explain sure what sort of I mean we've talked about this a few times So sorry chat in or audience if you're bored of us saying this But in general I always get the vibes from anthropic that they really want to be my dad Like I already have a dad who actually loves me and wants the best for me I don't need Dario thinking that he knows what's best for me So I'm not a fan of them because it always feels like As soon as they get one step ahead They'll pull the ladder up as fast. They possibly can lock everyone else out and make sure that they're the only people allowed to make AI because they know best True, they did that and I don't that's I'm not in if we're gonna have a I would rather have like

competing models or like open models or some other stuff where They're trying to serve me the best that they can to get all my money as opposed to thinking that they're my dad I don't like that very much Yeah, it's fair Yeah, and every interview I see with Dario he just gives me that feel of like well, I know better than well It's more like I know better than everyone I feel like I've kind of concluded I don't want to be in a room with any of any of these AI see That's probably the best take So I don't know I don't watch any of their interviews or follow any of their stuff on Twitter I like I like mute it, you know, I'm like I don't good I I'm living peacefully. Yeah me too punch the monkey baby. Let's go

Poor poor little guy. Yeah, he was getting hugged now now. He has best friends By the way, someone just said and tropic bros are what clavic your Cavic your what clavic or what clavic or girl or what have you told me? Come convicular Covicular Covicular so close you're still love it or not Tropic bros what looks maxing bro would have been if he would have went to Harvard. I'm very very funny Josh put me in a put me in a sigma chat face and do it at it quick All right, uh also by the way, did you know I don't know if you guys know this but this also feels like a Silicon Valley episode Did anyone remember the uh, son of Antoine from from Silicon Valley? I did not get the video So I'm very sorry because I thought I'd get DMCA so I just have to describe it as opposed to

To playing it on the show but uh Son of Antoine Is the AI machine that gillfoil creates and gillfoil and one of the later episodes Tells it to clean up the code base and ensure that there's no bugs So it deletes all the code From the from the repo because that of course would be the safest way to have no bugs There's no code at all and right afterwards it orders four thousand pounds of hamburger Because it wanted to find a cheap way to have lunch for everybody That's so good ahead of its time. It's ahead of its time. Like this is where we're playing in the real time watching open claw happen Yeah, but it was actually son of Antoine this whole time Unbelievable prediction on the slow best character

It is actually kind of go to move. I would do that Yeah, sounds like the move. Yeah delete the code base. It's good. It's good And order me still don't the hamburgers man four thousand pounds of meat. Let's go. Yeah, it's a good day What's it? What's the term for when you unwrap and you get like the Pokemon card you want you get a hit Yeah, dude, it's a good hit right there. That's a good Oh trash. Thank you. Oh anything good. No, there's nothing good. This is this is my trash I'm gonna give us a fresh dick trash rip something right now. You can expense it. You can expense it because sunscreen Oh my god wait you have that is very you have packs waiting when you need a hit, huh?

Yeah, Pokemon 30-day anniversary whatever Let's go I've always wanted to do this. This is exciting for me. Yeah, I get you on the big screen Here we go. I think you're gonna rip some if I go if I do this will we make trash I've already ripped like 200 packs of these There we go nice trash. I gotta do it like the YouTube video people. Yeah, please do please do it We go on we start with an energy Oh, we need an energy. Oh, okay, whack, whack, so here comes the good stuff. It's coming soon Oh, wait, those are nice. I got absolutely nothing Hit another pack hit another pack hit another pack I'm going for this charizard. We're going for a charizard trash. This is gotta manifest. We got manifest charizard

This is the one bro. This is the one it's like a $600 card. Okay, you guys ready? Okay Everyone get their pog faces ready. Okay, everybody. Let's go. It's good start. It's fire energy starts off with the common cards This is fine. I already have this whole set. Oh, you got a you got a charming under though No, it was before Wait, that was sick. Wait That one What's your last one?

Finishing the box finishing the box finishing the box Charizard manifest charizard manifest manifest manifest manifest or will manifest it is fine too, Bash Oh, it's in the next one. It's in the next look at my office. It's just completely gross Is this all my office is in shambles look at this terrible This is what vibe coding an act of retaliating to your wife for her leaving dishes in the sink leaves a man. Okay. Yeah Oh All right, that was fun. Thank you for letting me do that. Is this normally how your podcast goes? No now pretty much yeah, maybe All right, we have one last we have one last item and this one's very special. Are you guys ready for this one? Yes, very ready All right, so I'm gonna give a little bit of a backstory

So everybody feels prepared and is really really really ready I'm gonna I don't think I can full screen this tj because it's probably gonna cut out all audio But we're gonna try okay, we'll see what happens All right, so I would like to present to you guys This right here. So have you ever played that game where someone hands you a presentation?

Well, this just happened to me right now and so and it's a PDF So I'm not even sure how to like go to the next page So with that in mind, I would like to tell you a little bit about cluely Okay, so for those that don't know cluely about six months ago Roy Lee became famous because he was the one who cheated during an amazon interview recorded it and sent it out to everybody He created this thing called cluely in which was an overlay So when someone said hey, could you implement this? He could literally take that put it in there See a step-by-step of how to do it and then he would write in the editor and be like well this actually This seems like you know and squared But I think it could be more fit you know just reading from the script right one step out of time

Okay, so that's kind of like the backstory on cluely Afterwards, they got 15 million dollars. I believe from uh, it was at a 16z or y-combinator Do you remember tj? Pretty sure I have no idea. Okay. It does it anyways doesn't really matter. They received a bunch of money. Don't wait for me a 16z, okay All right anyways, so they got a bunch of money and now they had a article written about them kind of where they have come to since then and the article is The most insane thing we have ever read potentially produced about somebody in tech I have like ever on the internet This is a it's straight up a hit piece like it's a hit piece. It is where was this at?

It is both honest nasty and potentially lying. I have like I don't know where it is in a scale And so we figured we would use the phrases from the article and play a little game Effectively true truths in a lie, but I think vegan does not know what that means and so he has like four options sometimes And I don't know how many of them are lies like it's vegan. So we're just gonna play game And I don't know if green means a lie or that's the only one that's true He just did his old thing and we're gonna have to figure it out there Okay, and to be clear, there's no instructions along the way either so you may get spoiled on some of them That's okay. We'll get your rotex anyways. Yep. All right, so cheat on everything. So dating at cluely

So here's a fun fact cluely employees are encouraged to date a lot They can put it all on the expenses so they can actually expense dating Yeah, what does it really do? Nobody knows. Oh, it's a note. It's like a note-taking app. I think now. No, it is not. No, they've like transformed. Oh, no, it is You know now it's a note-taking app. You're right. It was cheat on everything and now it's We'll help you take notes and meetings. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure it's like it's it's attempting to be open-clogious without the success Like that's I think what the goal was was like to actually have like an assistant that does everything for you that gets all the stuff out and then you can You know be smarter faster and all that kind of stuff

Yeah, something like that's from them We have a pull-up bar and we go to the gym and we talk about dating because nothing motivates people more than getting laid It's insightful. Yeah, that's deep deep the better you look the better you are as an entrepreneur It's all connected and beauty is everything a lot of ugly men are just losers the point of looking good is that society will reward you for that I think I've spoken to people that actually like I've spoken to this person before and they're the world Do you're saying this guy in real life or you're just saying no no like someone that exactly like this the carbon copy of this just Gastin themselves up all the time. I'm like wait We don't know

I think I've heard this before all right three great games in life to hang out with friends to do something meaningful And to go on lots of dates To be clear and I want this to be clear before we go any further These are all direct quotes from articles when we say they're a direct quote. They're all from one article He had one interview and he said all these things to one person. Okay, so just want to be clear and set up the context Yes, do you find it?

So those are alive those were true those were setting up the context so you understand how important dating is at clu Oh, I thought the game started already. That's I started. Welcome to the game Here's the game often is royally going on dates So this looks like it's going to be three lies in a truth big and really got this one wrong, but anyway Just a pick one. Yeah, it's a multiple choice. That's yeah. All right, so three times a day every day five times a week every two weeks I'm going with five times a week Bash um TJ you go first. I already know the answer Oh, um I'm going to say I'm going to say every day Okay, trash you had a tree. I'm going with three. I'm going with three times a day because he's an sf right he is on he is an sf

Three times two women in sf There's actually Exposed all of them. She said here's all the women So yeah, here's the I guess the question is how did you guys come up with those numbers? Uh, well, it says note he is stoked on the answer I would say every two weeks But then it's like this is so much of what he Orients his world around that I'm like it must surely it's more than two weeks Um, and then five times a week. I feel like is I mean, it's a decent amount, but at the same time. It's like, okay, well if he's stoked. I don't know if you're really bragging about five times a week That just sounds like a lot of dates five a week is a lot of dates Seven days You can have a girlfriend. You see you just go for dinner with her every like every night after after work, you know

That's five that's five dates a week I think it's definitely three times a day because he's like a viral kind of dude So he's definitely like trying to have a new date every day Hey, when he worked, he's using fluently to organize the meetings through open claw probably Uh, open claw All right, are you guys ready for the answer woman? Oh, three times a day. Three times a day. Let's go Oh, I can't even see what that says because your block weeks two weeks Way Let me try to orient myself a little bit better. I don't know how to orient myself better. Okay guys Girlfriend you'll see her more than every two weeks. No You have something to automate your life. What's the fucking problem Bastard smog the poor kid

That's disappointing based on all those quotes on the slide beforehand. That's kind of crazy That is that is crazy for like Like the basically the whole ethos of this company is like oh, you should date more. It's all about getting late And it's like brothers going out every two weeks with probably someone new because you can't you can't have a girlfriend only see her every couple weeks Take part. We'll keep on going backwards to the heart All right, the coldly office everything was great. I do remember this part of the article because my voice read that hates Like wow All right But seriously trash how would you misread that like what's fine read the next quote prime read the next quote Their office is no longer in San Francisco having been essentially chased out of the city by the planning commission

I'm a big believer in minimalism actually. No, I'm not not at all. I just don't really care about interior decoration royally Those are all three real quotes to give you a setup for the this next section, which is Clually office life in the Clually office Labubus Lint rollers core power elite pro protein pens Sex toys anime figurines Someone say the last two are synonymous, but we'll just keep on going How many do we wait are these actually all things in the office?

You need to guess which ones of those are real. We're not going to tell you how many or how few So, oh It could be it could be only one of them true. Maybe I don't know maybe all we say all of the above you can trash You could say when a trash it's it's choose your own adventure. Yes, this is trash or bash So this is it's a new segment trash or bash. I'll start my answer. Okay, protein. Yep Anime figurines And Pens okay interesting. Okay, I'm gonna say Labubus because girls are high on the list and those are viral on tiktok The girls want to see the insightful inside very insightful bash I'm gonna say core power elite protein because protein drinks are great um I don't think pens. I don't think these men's written anything down

Good point. Okay. Um, they clearly are doing their apathy of pens. You know great. True. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's that's too much That's that's less vibes. Mm-hmm Um, I'm gonna say lint rollers. They might have they might have a dog or cat so they can pose with them on their tinder profile. Oh Genius strategy, but actually they should hire you I'm a strategist. I feel like it's all the above, but let's just go. Let's roll Trish, we need a final answer, bro. Yeah, that was my final. No, I really gave my answer. Okay. All right. Okay And bash yours is Labubus lint rollers protein and that's it. Yeah Well, it's there how many are we supposed to choose you get as little as you want. Oh Um, okay, I'll add anime figurines as well

You guys are both wrong Oh, it's everything Oh, trying to give you a chance, bro. I know. I know. I know. I know Yeah, I knew it. I knew it would be there. I know, but how come nobody's addressing the elephant in the room? The the sex toys that why is no one like that's kind of strange to have in an office specifically calls it out no female employees Well, I think they do They have actually quite a few bash they have no HR That I think oh, they definitely don't have HR Roy Roy is the HR All right, clearly costumes a significant part of working at clueless seems to involved dressing up as a cartoon characters for viral videos Oh, they're freeze. That's safe Cluely costumes Sonic the Hedgehog Olaf from frozen Steve from Minecraft or Pikachu

This is a Find the lie only one of these is not true Oh The instructions for this because I would have had no idea. Okay, well one of these is crazy because the pdf was here earlier One of them is not true I feel like sonic is uh two holes for them. They're all like 15. There's a new sonic movie coming out. Yeah, plus There's a lot of sonic movies and they also probably run high on them quick. I think quick test for people in the chat What sonic's girlfriend's name Second, if you knew the answer you're autistic Checkmate I kid you not I was at uh one of my daughters like friends birthdays And I picked up a mask and it was Amy's mask And I was just like oh who's this and the mom said that's a man said oh you have autism and she's like what?

The internet if you know who this is you have autism. She's like well, you know, I think I might actually have it So far everyone we've tested that theory on 100% correct. So just throwing it out. I'm glad I'm not autistic sweet. Yeah, you're safe trash. All right. What is the answer? I think it's Olaf from frozen because it's too young of a demographic Steve from Minecraft is big and smash Sonic the hedgehog. There's a new video new movie coming out with sonic peek at you also kind of relevant because it's Pokemon I'm going with sonic All right, so we have two we have we have sonic and Olaf Steve from Minecraft is in fact not one of the dress-ups. Oh, that's messed up. Oh, yeah, that's Steve is

I'm telling you it's the only one that's that's a person. I feel like this one should have been pretty obvious All right, uh I'm gonna but if there's another one I'm playing with you because I actually don't know all right childhood hobbies of Roy Reselling Pokemon cards Brazilian Jetsu or Chesco I was like me for real I really just like me for real Oh, I don't remember the truth. I don't remember the truth. They're alive. I'm gonna go work at Completely we're best friends. I'll see you later. Hi The DJ is there any possibility you could look forward to tell us the point of this game I well, okay, I didn't realize you hadn't read it at all. I have to go back and I'll find it from I'll find it from vegan and then I'll be able to answer. I stopped reading and halfway through because I said there's no way

I could do this on stream. Okay, right trash. Are you gonna chess? Okay, this is a chess club when I was like young Okay, so prime suck at it. This is true. This is two lies and they true Began is incapable of doing I Because it's super understandable and the game is super easy. Okay. Yeah, so two lies and a truth Which you wanted to I'm personally gonna go with chess club We Yes, everything is directly pulled from quotes in this interview, which we'll link in the description of this video I got Pokemon cards I also think Pokemon cards But for the plot I can say to you survey says Surveys says survey says Trash we put that in for you Yeah, I was gonna say I don't think that I don't think he would have brought up chess club in

In an interview. I think it just would have been like some of the more negative charred Probably could you go did you go to just he just showed all the answers? No Okay, began sent you a broken pdf. I have I have one word doesn't have the answers That's fine. Well, that's okay. Okay, well, we're gonna just read some quotes from clueless I'd say about 80% of the time people do not like me. He did say that Well, let's see fair Respect. I knew since the moment I say the same thing. Justness that I would start a company one day I do not obtain value from reading books I only know one other person that has ever made that bold claim I Relish challenges where you have fast iteration cycles and you can see their awards very quickly

Oh, I love that yeah, that's second quote Oh This is for answers and the question. So what is the question? Yeah What game will we be playing at this point? All right, bash girl All right, what score I just crashed is the only one that got something right this whole game I like our slowy scored and we didn't even know a game we're playing Oh, I also love that it's in a pdf like what did you score write it down here? It looks like I'm supposed to fill out the rest of the page I'm trying to figure out like what was vegan's mindset when he sent it over he's like I'm saying you guys the game over right now. It's gonna be so sick. I asked anybody. I asked him this morning I said hey vegan does prime have the stuff to do the clueless thing here applies. Yeah, I sent him pdf

I sent him pdf. I was like I thought it was gonna be a website If we make this a two-in-actual card game or something That was that There was like a consistent set of rules such as two truths and a line Oh, man, that was the most the same thing I've ever seen in my life That was awesome. Okay, well, we'll try a revamped version of that in the future I think I think I understand that I have to make the games like Or I'll make the game and then you can be surprised. I like having you be surprised as well. Okay. Yeah. Yeah For this game, it's gonna be bash first trash Yes, right? Actually, I'm gonna vibe code in a very sweet animation for this. Okay trash You're gonna get a really stupid picture bash you can give me whatever picture you'd like and it will do a little versus

And you guys have a little trash then this one Yeah, dude do it Right now. No, not right now. Oh, I thought you're five of you right now. I thought that was a week Honestly, we could have probably uploaded that PDF to sent you to d's a make a website for me one static HTML page and you All right, well, that's all we've got thanks. That's literally all we've got there wasn't a great ending to this It was great Trash any blockers No other than the emotions I feel after I do get any hits from those three packs can we open one more No, that's enough. I don't want more and that's how you know you have a problem. Okay, good point. I'll send you some trash I believe I want to see it big and you owe me that's true

He I've been trying to get him to send you something for three months. I don't gonna send me a PDF He doesn't send you a PDF of a back key open make your own make your own Pokemon cards fill out the rest What you Like have you seen those like on YouTube videos where the kids can like watch something they do like They call like brain drains or something and they just like it's like a random like shows like Disney characters Of the stock footage and it's like answer the question. Which character is this and it's like some like I don't know anyways. I'll show you guys later, but that's what this game reminded me of just very low low polished Thanks Like PS are known for polish Yeah, we're innovating here and that no one is vibe coding PDFs like us. Okay. All right, Adobe acquire this podcast

We could be the leading Adobe influencers out there. Okay, true. You don't have any Adobe influencers. You could have some right now Yeah, so all right. Let's end the episode Okay, I named this cat healthy And I named my other cat sick or sicky because this one just wasn't sick for the first two weeks of his life And the other one was and so that's my my names for my cat. They look identical though Anyways, thought I'd just throw that out there pretty fun fact In fact of the day To a car here the next couple weeks anyway All right You

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