Scam Altman's Crypto Currency

0:00 Hey, by the way, Casey, can I show you something? Yes. Long as it's not something under the desk. I don't want to see the knob under the desk. Show me. This is what I was programming all day today. So tell me how excited I need to be. I'm assuming this is not... It's not a real Commer 64, is it? It is. It's by the company Commer 64.

0:22 They remade it. It's the Commer 64 Altimastered version. Is it a real like... So it has some USB... It has some USB A's on the back. Okay. It still has the cassette. It still has the same audio out. You still got the VGA's right here if you need them. It comes with the cassette that had a USB, like a flipper.

0:41 It's like a cassette, but then it actually flips out as a USB. But then I immediately plugged it in and it broke. So I had to take it apart. And now I just have... I just have floating USB. Like I'm the Terminator. If I drop this at all... It broke a lot, like physically broke a lot. Anyways, that was fine.

0:58 How much is that way? This thing? Honestly. Trash, you could lift it. We saw your muscles last week. I mean, that's pretty much all I was getting at. You know? On ironically, Trash, these two together, because this is steel on the bottom, is like pretty much the same way. But what is in that C64 show though?

1:19 Like is it an FPGA that has... The Files. The Files are in the concept. The Files are in the concept. How is it made? Like what is it? Is it an FPGA? Is it an emulation? Yeah. Okay. So it's not an FPGA that actually just has the original chipset. Yeah, the FPGA that's apparently... Oh, it is an FPGA.

1:40 And apparently there's 16 megabytes of RAM, but I only saw 38... I only have like 38,000. But I was sitting there thinking 38,000 bytes. But I was thinking that the input interface is really inconvenient. And you can technically do syntax highlighting. There's a non-zero chance you could create VIM. Or at least VI on the Commodore.

1:59 I don't see any reason why you couldn't. Yeah, why not? I was assuming there was a version of VIM that ran in less than 64K. Yeah, I would assume you could make it run in there. It was really little amount of time. Really old. Yeah. VIM, I shouldn't have said VIM. VI. Yeah, VI. My big problem, honestly, is I don't know how to save a file or create a file.

2:19 So that's like, that's really hampering my progress. It's not really that necessary for you. I know that you're getting passed anywhere that needs it. I think what you should do is find the two things. You should try to get cross code to write C64 for you, right? Well, it's like open code. How do I save a file on my Commodore 64?

2:39 I didn't want to do that, so today. I actually, the reason why I never once whipped out the AI for today, because I just was going to read the friendly manual the whole time. Nice. Yeah. We actually got pretty far from the manual too. Didn't I? Yeah. That's a great song. I got a nice old. It's the Commodore 64 manual.

2:56 Got it all right here. Yeah. It did tell me that if I want to go a little bit more advanced, I do need the reference. The 1982 handguide. I didn't have that. So if I have to go more, you know, if I need to go deeper, I'm going to have to find that 82 print. You can probably just ask open code to generate for you.

3:14 Probably has it all in its memory. Read me back. And I did it. Usually the way that people have developed for the C60. Well, it depends on who you were. But a lot of people developed for the C64 using an expansion cartridge, so that they could kind of have the like extra memory that they could use for like their development while the actual memory of the C64, you know, remained for develop, you know, running the game and that sort of thing.

3:43 Oh, interesting. That's a lot of sense. Also, here's a little tidbit for you that's pretty crazy. One of the reasons, I've often said that Ron Gilbert's kind of a badass. He is the guy who basically made, you know, the first version of Scum, the thing that ran. Miniac Manchin and Secret Among You. The Agile thing.

4:05 All that stuff. Sorry, what? I said the Agile thing. No. Not Scrum. Scum. Back when acronyms were cool. Instead of playing, that was pretty good. I tried to figure out how to make it work, but as it's like, oh, it's just not going to work. But if I turns out if you just went forward, it actually does work.

4:25 You just got to look really dumb at the camera and chat will believe anything. Anyway, they actually, one of the really cool things about their dev environment is they actually developed on a mainframe that could like sort of act as almost like a control plane for the Commodore 64. And it could like save and restore the state and all this stuff.

4:46 Like they had insane dev tools back in the time. I like listen to Ron describe them one time. And I was like, oh my god, like that is so incredibly cool. They basically had like way more advanced dev than, you know, pretty much anyone else at the time was using for something like a C64, which was super cool.

5:06 Do you think it's possible that I could, um, I could write a TypeScript to basic compiler for my Commodore. And that way I can write TypeScript like a web dev and sit on Phil's lattes and then but also at the exact same time. Be a happy. Yes, you shouldn't. Yes, because you should be able to go right to 6502 assembly.

5:29 You shouldn't need the basic because you can just. You should be able to go right to 6502 in there, right? I think that's what that was. 6502 is true. She should be able to just go right to 6502 assembly and just be like super hard. It's like, yeah, I go TypeScript to 6502. Tell me what do you do? Yeah, what do you compile it to?

5:47 What will you compile that to JavaScript? That doesn't make sense. That's not even anything that can get run by. I mean, I'm probably 6510 is what they're trying to tell me. Okay, so it's a more modern. Other people are saying 6502. I don't know. Don't listen to chat. I have no idea, although I did have a conversation for back in the day.

6:04 I was too young and dumb to have any idea what even a chip was. So that didn't matter. But I was going to say is I would be shocked if you couldn't find like LLVM like 6502 back end. Like that almost certainly is a thing, right? It probably is. The problem is that TypeScript probably by default, if you do a compilation without really like setting things up exactly, it probably outputs a binary that is like so like a hundred times larger than the C64's memory space.

6:35 So that's going to be a problem. But if you could figure out how to get TypeScript to just compile like just itself, you might be with bonds. Yeah, right. No. It does not seem like he believes 64K is very small, guys. It's not 64K. I think for $64,000, we probably could find a computer that could do a case.

6:59 Yeah, Casey. It's like, yeah, I mean, I can just do it on my regular computer. But I don't even need that much, that much case. Oh, man. And plus, by the way, kids call it 64 bands these days. They don't call it 64 bands. I'm just saying they call it 67K. But sure. Casey, I already made, I made prime a song today and in the song, it talked about how the song would make him very sad.

7:23 And how his hands were moving up and down on the keyboard. And then it was like Commodore 64, more like Commodore 67. Okay. So it also made the same joke. Yeah. The AIs are working overtime. I wrote those lyrics on first. Oh. Oh, sorry to apologize. They were so good. They were so good lyrics. But they were there.

7:44 I did predict the future. I said it was going to make prime frown and it did. So that was flawless execution. Is that terminal shirt? Tried. Tried. Tried, Tried. You like that? Is that what it is? I just thought it was like, it is. It's coming out soon. It's coming out soon. I just assumed it was like a orange curse.

8:03 It was like, wait a minute. That's pretty sad. That's trash. It needs to be more, the curse needs to be more longer rectangular. No? I don't know. I was thinking about that, but then I thought it would look really goofy. Yeah, if it got much longer, it would look very goofy. Yeah. Practically. It's right now.

8:20 It's a little bit like if you know, you know, trash. It's kind of like, you know, apparently I know. Did you guys ever release the like video of you guys like on the boat in Miami? That's coming out soon, actually. It's funny. You see that every time I ask, is it, is it really coming out soon? No, I haven't.

8:36 I've been saying, I don't know what we're going to do with it. I mean, here's what we're going to do with it. And now we actually know where it hasn't even been one trash. Oh my god. I felt like it was like four years ago. Trash. It hasn't even been a full year. Oh, I think it's because I wasn't at the last react Miami.

8:50 So I just assumed it was like the last. Yeah. All right. It's coming out soon. All right. Because we're going to go do some stuff at react Miami most likely. It's a spoiler alert for some people. So we're going to use it as some promo for the. They already tweeted it that you guys are going to be there.

9:05 That's a great point. That's people already know we're coming. That's, that's not a problem. All right. All right. So hey, can you should we get started? I'm so ready. All right. I want to give you the intro. And then you guys go. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Everybody. We're going to do the most special intro of all time, which is Teige is going to give the intro.

9:28 Teige, give the intro. You guys have heard of looped. Probably not actually. But that was scam Altman's first rug pull. Then he'd had open a high and now he has world coin. So we're going to talk about that today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, sorry. In case you don't know, you can look up the looped fiasco.

9:51 It's pretty cool. Actually scammed too, by the way. Actual scam altcoin. So, okay. This, this presentation is because a few weeks ago, I referenced the fact that such a thing called world coin exists. Number one, you'd say that's the dumbest name you could give to anything. That sounds for sure like you're going to steal things from people and destroy their lives.

10:14 But that's okay. So then Casey and Trash both had heard of it before. So I was like, okay, we got to bring this to the slides. I got to bring some facts and logic to this discussion here with some historical data. And I got even more weirded out by it after I did some real reading. So that's always fun for presentation.

10:34 So, world coin. This is a real thing. Like Sam Altman says, are you human? Sam Altman wants to find out like times publishing it. This is from hilariously from world coins account, which it feels insane to post this picture. Wow. Does that picture not seem ominous and bad? They posted it though. What's my bidet?

11:00 It looks like, no, it looks like the robots from Oblivion with Tom Cruise that go around and murder all the humans. Yeah. Trash, there's a camera here. So you definitely do not want this to be a bidet. Let me just throw that out there. You'd be having a bad bidet if you had that. Yeah. That's sick. Well, that's so good.

11:18 Well, this gets back to our fecal analysis, AI fecal analysis, which I think is something it could really excel at. I mean, already people are squeezing out a lot of things that could use fecal analysis for the AI. Okay. So what actually is going on here? First off, I need to meet a quick legal disclaimer.

11:38 Everything I've learned about world coin, I learned from chat GPT. So if anything is wrong in this presentation, you can sue yourself, Sammy Boy. Okay. Chuck May AI. That's the first thing I just need to get that legal disclaimer out of the way because I don't want to get sued by the super mega corpse.

11:57 Okay. Great. That's where we start. That's actually our first legal disclaimer of the standup. This is really good. We made it a year without it. See, when I bring the slides, I know that I need to do this. Hey, is that HTTP? Get that out of here. That's that how we order coffee. We order coffee by a SSH terminal dot shop.

12:14 Yeah. You want a real experience? You want real coffee? You want awesome subscriptions, so you never have to remember again? Oh, you want exclusive blends with exclusive coffee and exclusive content? Then check out Cron. You don't know what SSH is? Well, maybe the coffee is not for you. Here's my favorite quote from chat GBT about this.

12:45 Worldcoin represents a collision of trends, crypto, biometrics, AI, and global inequality. Oh. That escalating real fast has been a magnet for debate. So technically, Sam Altman himself said that. I think that's how that works. So that's that was my favorite quote that chat GBT generated while doing some research on this.

13:11 So that's great. Give us a quick question. Yeah, of course. Is that meant to be like it is going to help cure global inequality or is it going to help cause the permanent underclass? Get your stuff together. We got three months. Yes, great. Well, what's kind of interesting about it is it doesn't really say anything about what it's going to do.

13:33 It's merely saying that it represents trends that already existed. Like it's like these are four things that already were in the world. And I named it Worldcoin. They're by representing them, I guess. And we're about to find out perhaps what special features of Worldcoin make it uniquely representative of these trends.

13:53 Oh, it's got a unique real trends. Okay, that are going on here. So, all right, this I'm pretty sure this is a reenactment of how the company started. So Sam, hey guys, AI is going to be so good you won't be able to tell who's a human. Okay. Weirdly enough, I also have a product to fix this problem, which is not a conflict of interest, by the way.

14:19 So we need proof of human, right? That's that's where Sam starts. Casey, of course, drops in with a quick, we still need proof that you are human. I was literally just going to say that. Did you do the exact same pose too? Wait a minute. I pre-watched my own presentation chat. I knew what Casey was going to say and I had it.

14:43 Literally, I was going to be like, is this just the way that Sam is desperately trying to get on the human blockchain? I'm really human, guys, I promise. We don't believe you. No one believes you. Oh, yeah. We'll then check my world ID. Okay. So, Sam says, anyway, give me all your personal biometric data.

15:05 I'm great with data. Oh, true. To which, Andreessen Horowitz says, okay, here's $25 million. Call me later if you need some more. Okay. He's going to be a returning later. Also, a quick read Hoffman investment at the beginning. Do that be sick. We never figured out how to tell if people were bots on my site.

15:24 So, this could be helpful. LinkedIn founder. Okay. Because you cannot tell that those are not bots. All right. So, they get $25 million and they start a company called Tools for Humanity. All right. Sounds like the company that makes cards against humanity. Yes, too. Probably a better name for this. But, unfortunately, that's the real name.

15:46 From a recent, I didn't know what you'd call YouTube Video. You could say they announced what their simple plan is to build a human network. Number one, before we get to number one, actually, the phrase human network has to be terrifying when you hear a big texio say that. So, that's just take it for itself.

16:08 That would be a human centipede a little bit. I mean, I'm thinking like, oh, we plugged the humans together like mouth to butt kind of a thing. Yes. Exactly. So, basically, they need an anonymous way to get proof of human. Then they're going to distribute ownership of the network. Then they're going to scale and decentralize continuously.

16:29 Okay. And then they're going to use it to make the benefits of AI accessible to everyone. You'd say, how is that going to happen? There's a lot of hand waving after the first one. Okay. My favorite quote from this presentation, though, is when the co-founder of Tools for Humanity says that the thing Sam Altman really brings, really his greatest contribution was just he kept telling us we need more scale.

16:57 And a direct quote from Sam Altman is when in doubt scale it up. From this presentation, that's what he said. I have a question. What? Yes. Who is this person? Who is the person like that's not Sam Altman? It's not. This is Alex. I forgot his last name. He's currently the one who's actually running the company.

17:20 Apparently Sam, this is still exists. He's the fault. Oh, Casey. Just wait. Just wait. This guy looks very serious for you that you won't. Okay. So Tools for Humanity emphasis my own. So it's founded in 2019, right? They're first round of funding, A16Z, coastal ventricied Hoffman. So they're saying, right, AI is going to flood the internet with bots.

17:45 We're not going to be able to figure it out. So we need a way to actually show that the person you're interacting with is in fact a real human. And also UBI. I'm not joking you. They start the company for UBI because Sam is saying, I'm going to take all of your jobs because my AI is so good. I'm so good at AI.

18:05 We're going to take all of your jobs. You're going to need money. And the only way to do it is from my separate company that has a cryptocurrency. Okay. Got it. So how are they going to prove that people are people? World ID. So how do they do that? The orb. The first picture that I showed at the beginning.

18:25 Okay. No. No. No. Are you? What is this? Are you? This is not happening. That's what I'm saying. Guys, stop naming everything ominous. Okay. Why? Why would you call it the orb? It's just. I got a question. I got a question. Why they call it Palantir. There's like basically the same question. Palantir was actually a pretty good one because it allows you to see in distant lands and all that.

18:51 That's actually that was pretty. But it's evil. It's evil. But at least it's more clever because most people don't know Palantir. That's a very good way to reference. But my mom doesn't know what that is. But second, I do have one problem with this entire hypothesis. Which is that the problems of AI truly can only be solved with more AI.

19:10 Like that's what I've been led to believe. That's a good point. This whole strategy's blown my mind right now. That's a good point. I'm sure we're getting to that part though. I'm sure we're getting to the AI part prime. There's going to be some AI in our summer. This is like your first start a company.

19:24 This is what I would do. And that's a dish on myself. That's how bad this is. That's a dish on myself. Okay. So what does the orb do? You go to it and you get your eyeball scanned. And they get a unique because your eyeball is unique like a fingerprint, right? You're iris. Also like an anus print. Also unique.

19:46 Whoa. Yes. Finger scanning. Yeah. Sorry. Can you back it up a bit there? No. Prime can save that for his own slides. I don't want that as part of my presentation. So are you saying the three things we can scan of a human? Is there a finger, their eye, and their ass? Is that? Do we quit question on each of those?

20:11 Do identical twins have the same ones for all of all three of the above? Is there only one way to find out? No. My question is where can we stick this orb? So can this, can you put your finger on this orb, then put your eye on this orb, then put your ass on this orb? Hopefully in that order to avoid consecutive items.

20:26 For a full clarification. Yeah. Just don't be second. Yeah. Don't worry. We wipe it off with an alcohol swab. With the chords or he's just like put this in your mouth. Put this in your, oh wait. Put this in your mouth. I volunteer for beta testing. Yeah. Okay. Thanks, Trash. Yeah. Welcome. Doesn't have a rumble pack for the orb.

20:50 That's the thing. Is that from the 1064? A different big, big tech product. Okay. So. Yeah. So you have this orb. It scans your iris. It gives you a unique identifier. That unique identifier is your world ID. Okay. Then what can you do with your world ID? We're going to get to that. It's very easy to get to it.

21:12 We're going to get to it. Hopefully. KC. If you want right now, you can sign up to become a community operator of the orbs. And you can get one sent to yourself. Today. Please tell me. What kind has done this anyway? We have a stream where he scans with those eyes. I thought about trying to do this, but I'm too scared to touch one.

21:32 Okay. And exist in the same room as one. Okay. How much is in mind? Do you need to have that? Oh, that's the best part. two world coin. It's a cryptocurrency. Okay. Get mad. How do you get it? Love it. Get it. There's a few ways you can get world coin. Number one, you can get world coin by scanning your iris. That will give you free world coin. So you can get that deposited into your world ID or associated with your world ID in your world wallet. Okay. Another way that you can get world coin is by scanning other people. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is illegal, right? No, no, no, no, see, so let me just draw this out. It's an affiliate code. Right. Oh my god. It's kind of like at the top of this, right? We put Sam at the top up here, right? Okay. And then he

22:32 sends you an orb. So see how orbs they're round. They're not triangular. So that's what makes it not a pyramid. Orbs game. Then you sign up people and you get coins and they get coins, thus completing each of these and it kind of goes out like this, but there's circles in the middle. So it's not it's not a pyramid scheme. Okay. That's how you know, because there's orbs and orbs are not triangles. Is there such a thing as as ponds AI? Ponds AI? That's I think that's the alt ticker. Ponds eye. Yeah. A Ponds eye tree. They're growing it big time. That's what exactly what I was thinking. Yes. And pruning as well. Okay. So do you actually do wherever it's legal?

23:19 Because some places not legal to do this. Believe it or not. Get cryptocurrency whenever you do this action. Obviously some places that's illegal. You can't just give people this and have it go out and system of blah blah blah. We'll get to that. There's some stuff going on there. Obviously all of this happening on the world chain. They've got their own blockchain built on Ethereum L2. Also, they call it the super chain system. Once again, I just have to say why does everything have to sound so obviously like a rug pull? Do they have no one on their team that thinks of better names than the super chain system? I don't know. Have you seen many open AI presentations? I can guarantee you that if it's the same group of people, no, they don't. Good point. Good point. Good point. The people

24:03 who named their models, the most confusing things ever known to man, no one knows why different models have the different names. Okay. So then what do we have here? Right? Oh, people we actually have some questions from the crowd. Yes. Multiple people have expressed a doubt that this is this is just like a fake story. Is this real TJ? I have pictures. I approve coming up. As far as I know, I mean, I saw I watched them do a demo where they have the orb at like Samultman comes out on stage and they're demoing orb v3 within the last year because they just pulled an orb out from like to the side of my camera. I was sacrificed myself again or we'll see what happens. Okay. So then they have an app, right? The app is how you deal. You get your world ID so you can verify who you are,

24:56 but the app also has a bunch of other stuff on it. You can of course send world coin to other people and transact with the crypto. You can they have these they're called mini apps. So their apps inside of their world, they have a marketplace for apps. As far as I can tell, every single one is a scam.

25:17 When I looked at them, they were all they were all win free world win free world coin. I'm like, that's okay. That's crazy. Whatever. Or what are you going to do with it? Well, you're going to get more world coin. That's it. You can also do prediction markets on it. I'm pretty sure which like same thing. So okay. And now they have texting. So it's very advanced. You can text each other. Okay. I know it's the other person because it's a world ID is all easily or not messages stored forever on the blockchain. I don't I that's a great question. I did not I did not figure out exactly how that part works crazily enough within the past year. They added the ability to receive your paycheck within this situation. Denominated in USDC, right, which is the stable coin associated with

26:05 US dollars. Okay. So that's a common way that crypto bros interface with what we like to call reality. Other companies that are actually doing that, like giving paid checks. Great question, trash, no idea. Probably scammers. People who can't pay you in real money. Yes. Okay. Can we put pay checks and quotes on this? Probably should have had to go back and up. Okay. So then you can also have prediction markets on it. Very cool. That's what everybody's doing these days.

26:35 Betting with my iris. UBI, PogChamp. The future everyone wanted. I have my UBI that I had to sell my personal data for. I'm about that money. Okay. Believe it or not. This is real. This is real. What is that group? The people that own Tinder and hinge and all these other ones. You can verify yourself with your world ID to prove that you're a real human and not a cat fishing bot. That's AI.

27:05 Okay. So that's here right now. Apparently announced. I don't know. I've never opened a Tinder or hinge. Fortunately got married before those apps existed, which is very nice, very happy about that. But yeah. So they're just like inside of Tinder and other stuff now. You can verify that you're a person here. Okay. So this is kind of the pitch, right? Is that they're doing this?

27:30 Is there a way to click a button that says anyone who stuck their anus into Sam Altman's orb? I do not want to see their dating profile because I would like that. If you fell for world coin, I do not want to date you would be the very first button I would push on this app if it existed. It's like a self-selecting exclusion policy. As far as I know, that's not, but that does seem like a kind of P1 feature that they should be prioritizing. Or the other way around would be good too.

28:03 Like if you want to find a very gullible date who you can basically just tell whatever you want to and they'll believe you, you can be like, hey, give me one of those world coin people because I got, yeah, I want to tell them about how I graduated from Harvard University and I'm a Fortune 500 CEO and I want them to just believe it without actually looking at any information.

28:22 I'm best friends with Sam. Okay, so this is obviously that's what they're shooting for with world ideas. You can go and verify like, hey, I have this world app on my phone and I can verify that at least a person or something like that and do that. Okay, obviously this is controversial duh. Okay, because you're scanning your eyeballs and giving your data to the guy who is the craziest data hoarder of all time and lied to a lot of people before about he's in it for the love of the game, etc. So it's controversial. There's some other controversies that we're going to get to as we go a little further. Supposedly, I'm just trying to be fair in the interest of fairness. They don't save any of your raw biometric data. So supposedly after the machines, hash it, they delete everything

29:13 and it gets deleted from the orb itself. Question there. Yeah, go ahead. Of course, just a quick one. This is a very quick one. One of the big problems with crypto is obviously losing your private key. What happened if you lose your eyeballs? Whoa. Then you have different problems at that point. Yeah. Well, you also lose your crypto key. So after prime after you scan your eyeball, you don't have to go back to the orb every time you have it like saved to your phone inside of world app as like the private key. But how would you regain it again if you were lost your eyeballs in the middle and your phone? I guess you'd be locked out of the world coin.

29:50 Better question on the accessibility front. What about someone who doesn't have eyes? They they aren't people according to Sam Altman. It's kind of sounds that way a little bit. Oh, wait, no, sorry, then that's where the anal scan. That's how the swimper. That's why we build up swimper scan technology. Yeah, we have we have other options.

30:12 Yeah, okay, okay. So oh my god, Trash, is this why you're so into B days? Because you have to like use the orb won't scan properly picture. Yeah, I meant to clean buttholes. That's my own. All right, that anyone else is okay. So just quick. This is my turn. We're all voice on my own opinions. That's why we have the tinfoil hat just a few of my own quick privacy concerns.

30:40 Unlike passwords, you can't change your iris. So if something ever happens and like, hey, you get hacked or someone gets a hold of your phone or other things, I don't understand what you're supposed to do next, right? Like it's not like when you leak a password, you're only password. At least you could make a new only password, right? In this scenario, I don't I don't understand how that goes. The hash is like forever. So what happens there?

31:11 This is one of the big problems we're going to get into this a little bit. Worldworldworld.org tools for humanity just went around to a bunch of places and basically scanned Casey. Get ready for this. Millions of people we're going to get to the exact numbers soon. And it just seems unlikely to me that they properly informed everyone about what they were doing and what the people were offering in trade for the 25 to 50 USD that they were getting in world coin. That just strikes me as not that likely. Okay. And also you cannot buy world.org and not be evil. It's it's it has to happen that way. It's just called nominative determinism.

31:58 You can't do anything about it. It's very orb wellian. Nice. And they literally made their last video. The video where Sam and Alex together are talking called a new world. Okay, I have rest my case. Sorry. So there we go. We'll take that off. We'll continue on. We'll get a few more facts here. How can we not subscribe?

32:20 Yeah, man. Guys, I didn't even smash you. You didn't even like and subscribe to world coin. I didn't ask. They didn't ask. Okay. Speaking of all anyone out there who isn't currently subscribed to this channel. I would highly encourage you to like and subscribe to the primogen for all of the latest computing news and commentary from folks such as us. And of course the primogen who isn't giving this presentation, but has been commenting on it. Continue. He has been that stream. That's a good ad right there. Yeah, I'm great. I love that. Watch this be our most.

32:56 Oh, we'll go to the analytics and I'm going to check how many people subscribed on each of the videos. This one will be our highest. Through the roof, baby. Through the roof. To the moon. That's what we say in the crypto world. That's crypto. To code it. So people are going to be rubbing their orbs together and telling them off of this channel. Hodel that world coin. Okay. Get not Tinder.

33:15 In the midst of all of this, tools for humanity has been saying. And this is Sam Altman's like original involvement. My understanding here is basically, hey, they do a lot of hand waving here. They say, AI is going to be so productive. We're going to have so much money and everyone's going to be poor and without jobs. And world coin will let us do UBI.

33:39 I cannot find any particular details about where the money will come from. Like his open AI sending them a monthly check to distribute our governments funding this. I don't know. They just say with world coin, we'll be able to solve global inequality and give everybody money. And so I don't know how world coin anticipates getting this money or tools for humanity, getting this money. But it has been a core thing of what they've been talking about. They will do since the beginning of the orbs from before they even went public. So I don't really understand that. Maybe someone from world.org can talk to trash. I'm too scared to talk to you.

34:26 The trash study take one for the team. So I trust trash to get that info out of them. Okay. What else? Let's go a little history of the company just so we can start getting a little sense of the scale of what the company is doing and what it's been up to lately. So as I said, series A, they were like, we need to build an orb, right? Which does sound a little cool.

34:46 They're making proof of personhood and they're going to make a coin. And they made this coin. And it's basically like 60% of the coins are for users, 15% for investors, 10% for the team, 10% for the ecosystem, something like this. That doesn't really add up to 100. So I don't know where the other coins went. But that's what they said. UBI. Yeah. UBI. Well, they may have asked AI to generate this list. And at that time, that was about as good as it did for something to 100.

35:14 If I remember correctly, right. How many hours in strawberry? They probably had GPT three work on this part. What does 10% for ecosystem in ops mean in practice? Like meaning, I think that's funding new orbs sending them to people and then giving it to the people operating orbs. As they scan new people. Okay. So it's basically like the 10% of those bonus tokens are being spent on ecosystem in ops, not we have a 10% pool of tokens that are used shuffled around as part of the infrastructure. Right. That's my understanding. Yes. It's possible. Do crypto stuff. So I just want to make sure I understood what was going on there. Yeah. That's totally fun. Understood.

35:55 It's been very light. Yep. And so before 2023, they were not public. So they were not trading coins. Everyone just had to hoddle onto their world coins. You couldn't do any transactions on the chain. So early rollout. They're literally their pitches. Bro, bro, it's free crypto. Bro, it's free. You want it. I know you want. Bro, bro, bro, you definitely do. There's nothing sus about this.

36:21 You want the crypto. So like they go to a bunch of lower income areas across the world and offer them very low dollar amounts to harvest biometric data that normally they would have to pay. Way, way, way, way, way, way more for right. So then basically like they're just going all over the place. I loved this quote. You probably can't read this, but world coin claims a system could pave the way for an AI funded universal basic income, but it's not clear how even the journalists are like, bro, how are we getting to UBI from here giving people $50 of coin one time is not UBI.

37:00 I'm sorry. Can you tell me what the are these pictures real? They don't look real. Casey, these are so I didn't take the pictures, but I found real news articles on real news sites. And I do have some of the links. I can send some of them out later or something. These are these pictures ran in an actual news story about yes, so yes, what using poor the hell bad conversion rates effectively?

37:27 Or good conversion rates, depending on which side of the conversion rate you're on. Good conversion rates. And they're just using that as a way to manipulate people who are more in need of money to harvest their biometrics to prove to people that they have a lot of users to thus give the people who invested the 15% I think it was to be able to have the investors have coin go up.

37:48 Well, to thus ultimately rug at the very end. So prime, that's also different because this is the token. There's the tools for humanity company, which is a separate thing from the coin. So they're also own part of the original company, right, which is doing its own thing. It's making apps and could collect fees or other things like that.

38:07 Separately, there's this cryptocurrency, right, which they sort of like own and manage and run, but they have a whole company that the people bought into. We'll talk a little bit more about later as we progress through history. But to be fair, prime, I would interject there that this is still better treatment than open AI gave to artists and authors who got nothing.

38:32 They just stole the work directly and gave them nothing in return. And literally in their actual US PTO position paper, which I assume is not part of this particular presentation because it's open AI in that world coin. It literally just says like, I don't know, maybe the government should give them UBI. At least here, they're taking some responsibility for the event. Open AI was just like, you know what? I think we should steal everything and someone else should pay for it as our business model. Literally just put that in print. That is what it says in the paper. Like there is no defense. There's no defense. It's just like that's what we think should happen. You're like, well, you know, maybe, maybe, yeah, well, we'll save my comments on that

39:17 for later day. I have a question. Can I take a picture? Can I take a picture of the internet of someone and scan their eyeballs into my work? No, only if you had your own quality. Yeah, you had to be able to trick the orbs. So if you could AI generate in high quality enough eyeball, theoretically, you could have a high quality AI generation of an eyeball, tricking people to say you're a human. It probably wouldn't even have to be a high quality picture of an eyeball. It could probably be whatever you, if you had your own orb and could test it, you could probably determine how to generate patterns. It thinks our eyeballs close enough to generate a hash and be done. Oh, I love it. I don't know. I think it does more than take a static picture. I'm sure it does a bunch of

40:00 stuff that is actually technically impressive because they probably have like a legit thing that like flashes lights and does all their stuff and your eyes supposed to respond and do things. But I don't really know. I did not do a deep dive on exactly how the hardware works, iris scans, blah, blah, blah. But anyways, that's fine. Okay, so these, so just to be clear, from my research, when I was doing this, this is from real articles where they actually said, this is from real world coin things around the world. This is not AI generated or something else.

40:32 Okay, so early, early on, they're not doing public rollout yet. It's roughly 20 countries. They deploy like 500 orbs and they get almost half a million people scanned by 2022. Okay, now 2022, you might say that's a while ago. Oh, yeah, they've been cooking for a while now. Casey and they're still cooking today. What happens next? They launch in 2023 with nearly two million people scanned.

41:00 Right? And this is a direct quote from a news article announcement about that at the time of two million users in their testing phase. They've scanned those people. They have their iris data. They are world ID'd out of their mind by the end of 2023, three million and middle 2024, almost seven million people. Okay, seven million people scanned. Wait, is this still happening? Because I knew, Casey, this would be your question. Sure enough, that's in San Francisco, the United States of America, San Francisco. Is that a nose ring? Wait, is that a real head? Great point. I don't know.

41:35 Jan 2025, 10 million, 12 million, nearly 18 million people, just a few weeks ago. Okay, see. Wow. Okay. And apparently you can also still get the app without getting verified. They have like passport ways that you can like do your passport with NFC and some other stuff and kind of like still get a world ID without scanning. I didn't know. That seems weird to me to to give them your passport, but whatever. So they have two billion opens. So they track every time you open the app. Of course, because they got to know everything about you. So, but that's 17 and a half million is people who did the or they went and got their eyeball scanned for real and got a world ID.

42:20 Across multiple different news reports here. Okay. How many orbs is that now? How many orbs? I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know how many orbs they have out there. So this is from the recent orb that just went out and Casey, as you predicted, there is some AI going on in the system. I don't know why, but they got the Nvidia Jetson in that bad boy now.

42:45 5x the AI performance in the orbs, orbs, have to have AI. They're building it in Texas and they're like, I mean, we could go look up. We could do a deep dive on the hardware, supposedly. What's out there is open source and they're doing everything there. But there you go. So they are making them right now. Like as we speak, they're making them Casey. Okay. Let's go over their money situation throughout that time. Like I said, 25 million at the beginning, 2022, a year before they go public, they raised 100 millis, just a casual 100 mill. That was for growth so they could go over and that's right how they're starting to scan, you know, millions of people across the world. They raise again in 2023 around their public launch another 115 million dollars, primarily for R&D and

43:36 making more orbs. They got to make more orbs. Morbs. Morbs. It's morbid time. That's all I see. That's a little bit morbid. How is their slogan not? It's urban time. It's orbit time. We actually have a company that is almost their thing. We're going to get to that case, you too, because it gets better. Of course, it gets better. Okay. Okay. So then in 2025, it wasn't a raise, but they put world public to be able to sold to like institutional backers. So a bunch of big institutional people bought a ton of world coin so that basically like a lot of these big institutions own a significant amount of world coin in their wallets. Right. So that is not equity in tools for humanity. That's a separate thing. But they do have a significant stake now in

44:29 world coin, which is basically like, I didn't know, it was almost like a derivative of the company in a way, right? Because world coins useless if like tools for humanity doesn't do anything. Go ahead, Brian. Yep. So that must mean that they believe that they're all minimally be a pump cycle in the coin. Because why would anyone buy the, you know, the coin and versus like being able to invest into the company? Exactly. Right. Yes. So they spend a lot of money on this too. So like, I mean, on this page, right, at least basically a quarter of a billion dollars for equity, and then another 130 million dollars for coin purchases from institutional locations. Okay.

45:14 So that's, they did a lot of money, a lot of money for the company. And you can tell the money is still happening. That's that's within the last year. They sold 135 million world coin to people. Okay. So today, all right. I just looked this up today. It took a screenshot, a million transactions on the world coin chain world chain right now. They got 130 K different wallets opening up apparently. And Casey, you're going to love this razor. Everybody's favorite place to log in.

45:48 I get my mouse plug into my computer. And it says, bro, you can't use that. You got to log in. So they said sick. What would be worse than logging into my razor account? Get your eyeball scanned by scam open. You know that razor is going to be like the first people to ship off of the open source orb spec. They're going to have some like, it's going to be all black with like a green glow.

46:12 Right. And you're going to like hold it up to your eye. And it's going to like, you know, be all. It's going to be all like crumed out and stuff. Yeah. It's literally drink your verification can. Like a mountain do is what they're asking you to do. Like, hey, prove that you're a person. Anyway, so that's real. Also, if you want to go get scanned Casey, here's one in San Francisco, flag. Nice. And also, I just love that these were right next to each other, a razor store in Orlando. You can go get your world coin coast to coast. That's all the way across America right there. Yep. Coast to coast, baby. There's 32 locations in the US where you can go get your eyeball scanned. Okay. Fantastic. I'm sure one of them's in debt or yesterday. I think I got that info.

47:02 I screened out of that one yesterday. Like I said, this is sort of just I mentioned, you can get world ID credentials somehow with like these NFC enabled enabled passwords, not NFT, although that would be sick too, since we're already in the scam world. But yeah, like apparently your US one, you can do that too. Aren't these technically NFTs? These are non-fungible tokens. That is your ID.

47:25 That's a great point. Yeah. Okay, so I just wanted to show this graph. This is a very funny story of a company associated with this. This is a company called, oh no, I've literally lost the name here. Eight co, eight co, it's called eight co and it was a packaging e-commerce company that was literally dying. You can see it right here. And somehow in September 2025, they announced, yeah, we got $250 million. They were, the revenue before this was like, I don't know, $4 million or something like that. So I don't know how they did this pivot legendary pivot. They bought an insane amount of world coin. What? They, this is, this is their ticker for the last year. Like this is, this is their actual ticker. Look at that. They changed their name to Orbs. Their ticker is now

48:21 Orbs. I'm not joking you. That's why I said Casey. They should say it's Orbs and time. They did it. They changed their name to Orbs and they bought an insane amount of orb coin. And then I don't know why. I don't know how anyone thought this was good. They don't own any of the company. They just bought an insane amount of world coin. I don't know. I don't know how they got the $250 million or what happened. But there you go. So there's that. Some future plans. I'm pretty sure.

48:51 Wait a second. I'm not supposed to show this slide. I don't think Sam wanted this one public. One, in case you, Mark of the Beast joke, sorry. You have to at least make one Mark of the Beast joke, right? You have to make one Mark of the Beast joke. Also, did you like the slide? I was really proud of the slide. Anyways, okay. World coin. This is just for the crypto bros out there.

49:14 World coin can never be mainstream because it's in alt coin. Sam Altman made it. Anyways, there you go. That's the presentation about world coin. Casey, do you have any questions about it? I don't know that I do have any questions about it. It, in a way, it does sound like exactly if you were like, take everything you know about open AI. Yeah. And they're going, the same people are going to be like involved in a cryptocurrency. What would it look like? It pretty much is that just from start to finish, right? Like every last thing was like, yep, that sounds about like what they would do, right? And, and it even has the same sort of thing to it, which is like, open AI is like starts with this sort of suggestion that it's going to be like AI that will be

50:14 open sourced and like to allow people to have access to it so that it doesn't become controlled by big corporations and all that stuff. It ends up as like a complete money grubbing like scam base. Like we're just taking tons of investment money. And as we like lose more and more market share to other AI companies, we just kind of like, we'll say whatever and do whatever and put ads at it. And you know, who knows, right? This kind of feels similarly, right? It's like, we started out with this thing of this idea like, let's prove that humans are humans and allow them to have basic universal income or universal basic income. I love that. That's the second point.

50:51 Right? And all that stuff. And then like what's it going to end up as like another cryptocurrency scam? Right? Like it follows the exact same arc of like, oh, it turns out we don't know like, it turns out that just writing stuff down on a piece of paper about what you want to do in the world so that you feel like a good person is meaningless. Like you have to actually make something that makes the world better to make the world better. You can't just say that that's what you're doing and then feel good about yourself or you shouldn't. And like there's a reason that people don't like Sam Altman and open AI. And it's because what you do, how you present things, the effect that you create on the actual world is perceived by humans who are actually looking at

51:32 it. And they sense what it really is and not what you said it was. And it's very hard to talk your way out of that, especially if you're like only semi-human like when you talk, right? Yeah, how did you know that they're humans though without a world ID? That's a very good question. Good question. So I feel like this feels a lot like that where you're just like, okay guys, you did it twice. Like this is the same thing again. And it's probably going to go exactly the same way. But I guess it remains to be seen. Like we'll see what happens with world coin in the coming years. Can't wait. Love the way. I feel like I haven't heard anything about it. Really? I've heard, I've heard like whispers about it. I haven't, the tender one I saw just a couple weeks ago

52:14 because I know that was like a that was kind of a shocking thing. But I have the here's my problem is that when the loop that when Sam Almond did looped, he blatantly lied to people. I don't know how it didn't I don't I have I literally have no idea how he did not end up in prison for that one. Like I this is it's like Elizabeth Holmes if you lied, but you didn't hurt individuals instead you just screwed a company. So I guess that's okay. Don't give too many spoilers. You should do a loop presentation. I should look at the loop on this. If you're out of the loop on this one, it's like when you see you go, oh my gosh, he's just a boy. Like you literally as a run. That's your next presentation. Okay, we can do that. And then so then he goes from that goes into open AI,

52:57 which is just like very obviously breaking intellectual property. Even if you don't believe intellectual property is good, you can minimally say that if someone writes Harry Potter, someone else shouldn't just be able to sell it on behalf of them be like, I copied and pasted it. It's mine now, right? Like you shouldn't do that. That should not exist in some sort of form.

53:15 And so we can take the more alley out of it and just say it's the law anyway. It is the law. It's just illegal. If you want it to be a different way than change the law, but it is currently seems to be kind of illegal. If I were to do that, I would face probably finds if not jail time. Like I'm thinking of that guy. I forget where he was at that with Nintendo. He did some sort of what's called emulator slash some sort of like I forget boot some sort of some sort of override whether it was with physical hardware or just an emulator. And he got like sentenced to prison for stealing. And so because he was stealing all these things. And so when I look at this, then it's like open AI. The next thing it's found on is lies about whether it's being open or not.

53:56 And then followed up with just actual sheer like unprecedented amount of steal probably the purse. He if he is the biggest stealer of all time. I'm not sure like I think you could probably say that him or Dario or one of these one of these AI people, they have stolen more than anyone else has ever stolen in the universe. Like they are the number one stealer. So then to be like, okay now just just let me have control of all of your ideas. It's just like bro, this is you have a history of just like the most skamiest things in the universe. And then you're going to do this. This feels it feels very upsetting. You know, I was having I have the discussion like this with someone just recently actually. And it was prompted by the fact that you've got like a bunch of things

54:39 now where like Jensen Huang and Sachin Adela and people like that have come out and sort of like expressed like dismay or surprise that the public has anti AI sentiment. And what's really interesting about that is it's like I'm not sure how you behave this way and then expect otherwise, right? Like like people know they remember that like people were going to like get prosecuted by the NPA for like sharing songs on the internet. Yes, people went to jail like all last jail for years.

55:17 Some people in the tech community remember that Aaron Schwartz they're being prosecuted for downloading and making available a scientific publications library. Okay, that's a real thing that happened in the world. And yet somehow, right? We have now all seen that if you are just in control of enough money and have enough connections, that Reaper never comes knocking at your door.

55:43 And that is not really like people are right to feel upset about that and think that that's something very wrong with structure. If everyone was just always allowed to do all these things, then maybe it wouldn't feel like that. But we know that this is a like very two tiered system and that's really upsetting and it should be like they should if anything, corporations should be held to higher standards of conduct than individuals because they are larger and more powerful generally. So when an individual steals something, that's bad. When a corporation steals something, it's very, very bad, right? Because they have institutional controls for it. They have control of a lot of money like of the people who should never be

56:29 stealing things. Corporations are number one. Right? And everyone else takes more than one person typically. It takes collusion. It takes like it means that there is an entity with a tremendous amount of connections and power who's doing it, not some random kid who like logged on to Pirate Bay. Right? And so when you look at that, you know, just ethically and morally and you just ask the question, like, how are people going to feel when they see these behaviors? It's pretty clear, right? And so for these people to kind of get up and I don't even think they're pretending, like I think somehow they really don't understand that it's shocking to me that they are shocked.

57:10 Like, I'm like, how do you have so little understanding of humanity and maybe like so little humanity yourself that you don't understand why people are very upset about that, especially because a lot of the work you were stealing was made by exactly the kind of people who couldn't have gotten away with what you did. The average random artist out there is barely making a living.

57:31 And if they did this kind of widespread theft, they would be prosecuted, right? If they went and stole all the designs for Nvidia's hardware and fabbed them themselves and said, well, it's better for humanity because I'm making cheaper chips or something, no one would believe these stories. And yet, when these companies do it, we're just expected to sit here and go, oh, that's fine. It doesn't work that way. And like, I'm really glad that people are upset and I hope they continue to be upset. That's why I've said many times because this is really not good. And it's weird to me that like, it's weird to me that they don't understand that, right?

58:07 I can speak a little bit to that. You know, you should be able to understand this. You're in Seattle or outside of Seattle. You're a Seattle area. When you surround yourself with like a homogenous group thing, people are always shocked that there's like some other view, port of life. Like I remember at Netflix, we had this huge problem with performance.

58:29 TV was always really crappy. And so we forced people like, hey, you've got to like use Roku Sugarland, I think was the name of it. That was as like code name or something. It was like a low power device. And people used it. And like the next day, they're like, I will never use that again. That was the worst experience in the universe. It's just like, yeah, that's what a lot of people experience. Like, yeah, let's take a step back and realize that like, there's DVD players and all it like, they could not comprehend of a world where you're like, no, you just buy new TV. Yeah, why don't you just have the newest TV? I mean, you just go, it's at the store. Just buy a new TV. Could they knock it to the store? Like, was there a problem in the store? And then, yeah,

59:04 no, it's very strange, right? It's like, I just, I don't, I don't know. I wish I understood it better because I, I don't travel in elite enough circles to like go talk to someone like Jensen Huang personally, right? But I would love to be able to do that. Like I love be able to sit down and just go like, say what I just said and say, like, can you explain to me why you don't understand the reaction? Like, like, it's one thing also to, to say that you understand the reaction and you're trying to like explain it away, right? But they literally, they literally appear like they don't understand why this would be the case, which is, which is super bizarre, right?

59:47 It's also like a different direction. Yeah. Well, the rhetoric is also like, guys, yeah, I was going to take your job. Yes, you guys don't like this. They're like, they're like, we just laid up like, Amazon's like, we're laying off these people and even if it had nothing to do with AI, that's often mentioned and I assume it's mentioned because they want to convince other people to use AI so they're trying to say, like, we just won't need as many people because we have AI, right? And you're like, what is wrong with you?

1:00:14 Like, how are you in, like, Amazon? How are you a vendor of AI technology who, clearly, therefore, has a vested interest in the public thinking that this is a good thing. And you're saying that in your announcement, what is, like, you, it's so weird. And like, someone has to explain to me at some point, how are these people this detached from even understanding reality, not necessarily participating in it, like, I realize that they don't have to worry because they themselves can't be affected. They already have the money and it's fine for them.

1:00:45 But, Crash, what were you going to say? I was going to say a lot of things, but the conversation keeps making different turns. It's everything about the social order, back as you want to say, trash, let it out. No, I was going to say initially, at least this is the classic case of where we create our own problems and then we create tools that fix those problems. So they kind of have like a infinite money glitch. They have infinite money glitch. Exactly. So it's like something we all experienced ourselves. So they're building, they're building a tool that fixes something that AI caused. Now there's going to be another something that comes out after this world coin to fix like, word coin, I don't know, validation or something. And then it's just going to keep going

1:01:24 and going and like to fix the point. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. But to like the case is point, like, this elite group, like, it's unfortunate, but in my eyes, like, I always see them as untouchable. And it's like very obvious. If you look at America today, we have like this group of people that you just like, no matter what you do, you can just get away with it. And it's just like very like soul sucking and disappointing. And this is like a very much like, I get I don't want you to have a little secret. What? Not just America. I know. I know. I know. I don't just give it a little. Yeah. But we do it bigger and better than any other country.

1:02:02 Number one, America number one. Number one. Freedom units. Oh my God. I'm sorry. I forgot what I was going to say now. You threw me off. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. No, but anyways, like with world coin, yeah, I don't like, can you even actually use that anywhere today? Like, I don't know. I'm not saying I'm a crypto investor, but I have some coins and I've never been able to use anywhere. Basically, my cards are way more valuable than crypto, but I'm just curious because we come up and actually, I'm going to tangent here for a second. I've been seeing on Tech Twitter, like all these like crypto things that people are shilling in the tech community. Is that what the bad stuff is popular right now? And like this. So like the world coin is kind of like

1:02:48 in the same realm and it just puts like a really bad taste in my mouth and like, oh, that's good trash. I just really just don't like the orbs. You won't have a bad taste in your mouth. I'll be honest. I am interested in the orb to just like see it. What? Trash, when we go to I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued to like play with it in San Francisco. Okay. We'll go check it out.

1:03:10 I'm gonna scan myself. But one thing, one thing. So Amazon had the Palm scanner that came out. I don't even know. Do you all know what I'm talking about where you can just put your palm on the scanner like Whole Foods? And then that's how you check out like Amazon Go or whatever. They're like worker lists one or what? No, it's just like you have a if you go to Whole Foods, they have a Palm scanner. Yeah, I have. So like was there? I don't I didn't follow it, but I imagine there was some sort of reaction to that. I don't know if you all were like aware of any of that.

1:03:41 No, I didn't know that. You guys didn't know about that? Because it's too inconvenient to have a credit card. Yeah, because people just don't want to like touch their phones. You can just go really walk up and just put your palm in the walk away. It's too hard to have a phone these days. Like that. Well, we've hit where it's just like I can't I have to unlock it. I know the problem is I need to keep swiping my TikTok feed. I can't put my phone down and have it do the little pop-up for the Apple Pay. So it's like I got to keep scrolling. Look into it. I'm gonna look into it. I'm actually curious like what the. Which of my close friends use it? Yeah, much of our friends use it. Yeah, but it seems way weirder when it's like I mean it okay,

1:04:18 whatever one company wants me to scan my hand. I have an option, but it feels different when it's like we're trying to get the whole world registered on this bad boy. Yes, if Amazon was like free to be able to leave your house, you should scan your hand. You'd be like, I don't like it. I don't like the internet. You're gonna need to verify with world ID. You're like, oh boy.

1:04:37 Human 35464. Yeah, you are real. Yeah, thank you. You are real. Okay, the other thing we didn't talk about it in this, but it is very confusing. So there's this like for me, a paradox in world coin of they keep telling us we don't save anything about you. So it's completely anonymous, but also we're gonna verify your identity. The only thing they can do is verify that some human scan their eyeball at some point. It doesn't even like it's not gonna tell them that like, oh, I'm a 31 year old male who lives in Michigan. Like you supposedly they don't have that data, right? So then how is it like actually you guys understand what I'm saying? It's like, you're saying like they're that they're are they claiming to be able to verify more about you

1:05:23 other than just you are a person who scanned your iris? Well, right, that's what I'm saying, but it's like, okay, so then they're saying, oh, this will prevent bot farms. Oh, what, so someone's not just gonna go around to some poorer country and scan 10,000 people and then get buy that off of them. Oh, wait, that's literally world coin strategy. Like they know that that hack exists. That's how they got millions of people to sign up. So how could someone else not just be like, well, I'm gonna get 10,000 people to scan in and then I'll put I'll take those phones and do run my bot farm off of those. TJ, you're missing it. You're missing it. See, the problem is that you don't understand a very very simple idea, which is AI will solve this.

1:05:57 Yeah, it's just gonna solve it in like in a couple years. It will all be solved. Not a big deal. Yeah, super simple. I would say it also doesn't solve the Tinder problem at all because it's like, you can just post you can post whatever picture you want. That's what I'm saying, right? There's nothing. It doesn't make it's like it, it's not like it knows that it's actually, you know, me.

1:06:17 I can put whatever I want on there, right? Well, like Tinder already has a better thing. I'm trying to do all these places like the bank has stuff like I can verify my bank. It's like take a picture of yourself from like down here, right? And then it's like, well, that verifies that I'm a person way better than like I stole someone's phone and I have the world app on the phone. That doesn't make like that part doesn't what happens if your phone gets stolen. I didn't even think about that. I'd also like to know more about like I since this is the first I've ever heard of this. I know nothing about, you know, what they're I'm reticent to use the word tech stack looks like, but I would be interested to know, yeah, how do they deal with revocation and things like that?

1:06:58 Because yeah, when it gets stolen, because it will, when someone's world ID gets stolen, what is the recovery process look like? I'm assuming that they have thought about this and I'm assuming that your world ID is basically some kind of a combination hash of like some kind of unique value plus the actual retina scan data or something like this so that you could change sort of the salt, if you will. It's not really a salt in this case. It's sort of more of an initialization like the IV. You could change the initialization vector and produce a different world ID, but you have to have some database to know that someone's prior IV different with a different IV orbscan was revoked. Do they have that work? How does that work? Like what's the deal with that?

1:07:48 Deep on that like part of the stack. I was just trying to get across that like this is a super hundred millions of dollars thing that they're like going and literally scanning people. Oh, I didn't put it in here in a few places around the world like a few places in Africa as well. They banned world coin because people were just like causing chaos. They were just like thousands of people in line to get it and like all this stuff and it was like rampant for all these people doing crazy. So it was like wild. It was like disrupting local economies by how you know what I mean. Once again, I'm sure they were I'm sure that they would be shocked now to learn that people were anti-world coin for some reason that you're like what we're just helping humanity

1:08:33 here. I don't understand all the negative feelings that people have about this. Retinal anal scanning device. I have a question for all of you because most of you are too young. All of you are too young to know anything about this. True. Woody Allen made a movie called Sleeper. Are you familiar with this movie? No. Well, in this movie, there is an orb that looks much like that orb that you showed in the picture and it does a very different thing. I'll put it to you that way and I'll leave it as an exercise to all of you out there to go watch some clips of Woody Allen's movie Sleeper to find out what the orb is for. Nice. And I guess what I would say is one hint is the orb in Sleeper is kind of the same purpose as what the orb is for to Sam Altman. I'll put it to you that way. Whoa.

1:09:33 I have no idea. I have no idea. Like I thought I was following. You got to watch the movie. It's like demolition man. You only have to watch the movie. Don't the only appears in about like five minutes of the movie. I love demolition man. I just want to let you know that. Yeah. It's a good movie. The franchise wars. Yes. Yeah. Every part of it. It's the best movie ever. It's the lone hit firing a pistol while coming out of a helicopter hitting people. It's like it's it's literally my favorite movie of all time. Okay. Pretty dope. All right. Well, now that we hit this, this was fantastic.

1:10:06 TJ. Thank you for the presentation. Beautiful presentation. Beautiful. Thank you. Oh, I didn't even show it. What Casey? What? We have a website. Oh, yes. You didn't even show me when I saw you. Yes, Casey. We have a website. Look at this. Do I know just look at this website for a second. Standup pod.com. Check this out.

1:10:30 I'm going there right now. Also, Casey, check out the filtering AWS. Look at that. Do you like it? Oh, my God. Yes. I tried to make it very fast. Wait. What's the standup pod.com. Oh, my God. This is so good. I'm so excited. It has direct links to each episode as well. So you can go to like an inside of each of the episodes. There's a little arrow on the side. You can click it. You can go to go to each of the pages. If you want, you can listen to Spotify there. You can download the mp3 directly. If you're like, I hate Spotify, that's fine. Okay. There's the mp3. If you guys want it, you can just download it. If you play it from the site, does that count for like a Spotify or thing? This if you play through this one, yeah, this is a Spotify embed. So it should work.

1:11:18 Hypothatic. I'm so excited. I cannot tell you how excited I am. This is fantastic work. Do you want to know the tech stack for this? Sure. But I mean, I'm just happy. I'm just happy about it. I'm just happy. Well, does it feel faster or responsive? That's what I need to know. Okay. I haven't used it. Oh, Casey. I forgot. I left a few Easter eggs for you.

1:11:40 I'm going to spoil these to chat just because I think they're funny. Number one, you can maximize it. So that's cool. You can maximize it. You can minimize it, of course, right? For no reason. This is the best one, though. If you close it, if you close it, uh-oh. Nice, dude. You can get back either. It's gone. It's gone. You have to refresh the page. You can not go back.

1:12:03 I mean, how could that's it? You closed it. If you wanted it, you shouldn't have closed it. Yeah. When I showed, when I showed the site, resolve won't fix. When I showed it to Kaylene, the first thing she did was click the red button in the top left and I was so happy. I was like, oh, my goodness. That's someone actually discovered my Easter egg in the wild. I love it.

1:12:22 I love it. Casey, the tech stack, HTML and CSS. Nice. Yeah. Nice, dude. Because I take, here's what I do. I get the RSS feed. I run a little thing. I just generate a bunch of static HTML and CSS from that. And then it goes on Cloudflare for CDN caching to be fast across the whole world for you. There you go. That's, so there you go. Even this filtering, this is all just, this is just in the client. That's why it's fast. Small little NIC can be cool.

1:12:52 You know who's going to love this is Carson Gross. Carson Gross is going to be so happy about this. That's true. I mean, you didn't use HTMLX, but I didn't make a website fast in 2026. It's impossible to make a website. You can just say it doesn't hit the back end, so it doesn't need to be HTMLX. So there you go. People are pretty upset that there's no Favicon. Classic 5404. Oh, Favicon. Here's a quick question. Yeah. What's this icon when it's not a Favicon? I don't know what world coin. Oh, no, it's a world coin. Is that what you get?

1:13:34 Sam Altman. Sam, this one, this is so I'm collecting world coin every time someone does it because it loads the world Favicon. Nice. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. I did not see that one coming. It's broken on mobile. Don't go to it on your phone. That's your phone. Can't afford a computer. That's weird.

1:13:54 Yeah, we don't want you listening. If you can't afford a computer, you're not right for it. We look, our advertisers have standards. They are not going to advertise some random phone user. If you're on Android, forget it, dude. You don't have the kind of money we need for our sponsors. All right. You're not this is not for you. The Apple strap. We don't want you that's right. Dude, it works just fine. Wait a minute. I'm using it right now on my phone and look at this. I checked. He's on a sidekick. Yeah, you can even play it from right here.

1:14:29 I just played it. But it does work, I think. I don't know. I'm sure we're from the phone, but I thought it'd be funnier to just say that. Not to use it. So there you go, Casey. I did build that. I love it. I want. I want to know though. It's 100% vibe coded. Awesome. Which which which tool did you use? 5.2 codex mostly with a little bit of composer for the front end. So it was inside cursor. What's composer? I don't know. Composer is cursor's model. It goes zoom zoom very fast. Wait, so they have released that they're they're kind of doing their own training. Yeah, this was this was Prime's prediction for 2026 is that they'll release a model.

1:15:19 I was saying like a real model. I didn't realize it's a little fast-quick. Come on, get out of here. Oh, that's composer is really good. It's not real. It's not like it's not like 5.2. That's pretty good. Composer is really good. It just has a different tradeoff just like everything in life. It has tradeoffs. DJ stop with that tradeoff talk. Okay. Let me do an outro.

1:15:40 And then we should probably I don't know how I did well. I just wanted to show Casey. I have a site for us with permalinks to every episode now too. Standuppod.com slash episode slash number. All right. You're chopping the links. All right. Thank you for watching the standup. If you want to be able to go and search up any episode who's in whatever episode go to the standuppod.com for being able to fastest most creamy experience of a podcast website you've ever had.

1:16:04 Thank you for joining us. And if you do like this idea of presentations, it's something we're kind of leaning into. If you're enjoying it, say yes. And we will make trash do a presentation. Trash was also our first presentation, which was TypeScript to WTF. And we're going to want him to go again. Which trash that episode still crushing it.

1:16:20 That episode is great. Hot. Yeah. Still to this day. Trash, get that hoodie off and flex on them. Yeah. Yeah. It's trash. No. No. No. No. It's a cure. Only it's only a supplementing you. Only for your sentence. Only for a person. There's a lot of kind of just yapping we do that's just not good for YouTube videos.

1:16:39 So if you want the entire experience, it's currently up on Spotify. We're going to figure out something else. So check out the link in the description where we talk and make fun of trash for his snack eating habits or something with TJ or Casey just being super smart. That you'll have to search for it hard for that one. But if you find one, let me know.

1:16:57 We'll end that's about it. So hey, thanks for joining us. The name is Casey Trash Teige Agin. World coin out. World coin out.