The Robots are getting Hacked | The Standup

0:00 Today, we're talking robots, okay? And not just any robots, robots with a massive exploit, an exploit so juicy and so hilarious that they just completely went dark, didn't talk to anybody, and we're gonna find out all about it today. And so Casey, why don't you give us a little bit of a walkthrough, because you're the one that found this sweet, amazing article.

0:19 And so why don't you kind of give us a bit of a walkthrough of what happened, and then we kind of can go from there. Yeah, and I'll be completely honest, this one was a bit perplexing to me. I don't work with robotics, so it's a little out of my comfort zone, but I saw it, it was actually a security research, you know, security research firms, they publish these white papers that are like, hey, we hacked the crap out of like, the Jeep Grand Cherokee or something, right?

0:47 They publish these sorts of things all the time, and some of them are pretty severe, some of them aren't, but it's basically the way security research people make a name for themselves, gain publicity, like it's how they demonstrate that they actually know what they're doing, and you might want to hire them for whatever it is that you hire a security research firm for.

1:05 And they published this white paper that was basically on, or tech report, would have probably a better term for it, on how they took this humanoid robot by a company called Unitry, which I guess is a Chinese company, and they did a security analysis on it. And one of the reasons that they did that is I guess normally like humanoid robots, there aren't that many people who sell humanoid robots, but the people who do, I guess, typically they're not sold as active secure actors, meaning they just come with like, I think the default configuration, if you bought one as a consumer of humanoid robots for some reason, you would just get one that didn't really have any security protocols or connectivity or anything.

1:47 You just have like the firmware and some stuff built in, and you were gonna do whatever you're gonna do with it. If you wanted to secure it, you'd secure it, whatever. But I take it in these Unitry ones, they have a security subsystem. It's supposed to all be encrypted, it's supposed to be secure. So that's like a different, it's not common I guess for robots, it's what I gathered from this.

2:06 Which however, that seems really bizarre about it. Can we just stop on that? Look at all these engineers sitting at their neat little desks. It takes dirty work to keep a code-based clean. Every day sickles are out there committing unreviewed code. And when that happens, Linters won't save you. You need someone like me.

2:26 Let's go! Feature free Scrumbag. Who are you calling Scrumbag? What's this slop you're trying to push? Unnecessary comments, global state, nested turnaries? Ugh, my bad. I didn't even read the code yet. You disgust me. Step away from the keyboard. Let me explain. Is that a mouse? He's marching to prod.

2:46 You have the right to remain silent. Anything you push to get up, Chanin will be used against you. You have the right to a debugger, but if you can't out of forward one, a public stack trace will be made available. And one more code criminal off the streets where they belong. HR. Look, I didn't... I know I didn't review any of the code, but I was gonna have code rabbit from the start.

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3:34 How is there not security in a exceptionally high liability like zone here? Because this is something with arms and legs and possibly LLMs wandering around in your house, around children, around construction workers, around who knows, how is this not like? Oh, the default when they're selling it, I think, is to not these guys, but if it's in general, you're selling it, I think to some manufacturing facility who has a fleet of embedded engineers who put their own thing on top of it to do stuff for your...

4:09 Oh, so this is like the throne of robots. Right. Like, it's not like it comes pre-programmed to then like, I can build cardboard boxes or something like that. Like, it comes as like a, I can move arms and legs, you have to plug in and then tell me what to do. Is my guess. I mean, that's generally, I feel like what you see for like a lot of embedded stuff here is like, these companies have huge, like embedded engineer teams who then write firmware and software and a bunch of stuff to make it work for your thing.

4:44 Could be wrong. Yeah, that was my understanding as well, was that like normally, you know, because it's only, you know, previously, it would be only a sophisticated consumer, like a factory or research team that would be buying one of these things. They don't come with any kind of like pre-configured, this is exactly how it will operate literally.

5:04 It's expected that you're gonna go do that. And so you would secure it and you would run whatever you wanted to run on it and those sorts of things. And so I imagine that this is the sort of thing we're gonna start seeing more of now what happened with this unitary thing because people are gonna, with all the AI boom and all of this, the money in it, people are gonna be trying to sell more and more of these to more and more people.

5:23 Like, oh, you just buy the humanoid robot and you show it the task and the, you know, AI training system just like learns to do it and you don't have to be sophisticated, right? I mean, so I'm guessing, yeah. Yeah, this is basically like how IoT happened, right? Like before you would have like some hardware supplier who gives you like a set of cameras and then you would be like, okay, we've got our own guys to maybe like build something or do it.

5:48 And then it's like, oh, sick. You wanna buy 50 cameras? Cool, you just bought a bot and that, like, yeah. You're about to get mined for your own hardware. So this is what you like to just buy a robot? What are you talking about? Yes, trash. I can only just go buy a robot. Yeah, I mean, this is actually shocking to me because my understanding, I just assumed that what if I do buy one, it's already gonna be secretive realized it would actually be like some raw interface for some other build something on top of.

6:15 So that's kind of scary, but I'm also, I kind of want to buy one. Well, that's what you do. Richery is ostensibly trying to solve, right? Is there saying like we will give you a humanoid robot that can do tasks? That's what I'm saying. So my first thought when I read this article is like, if I hack someone else's robots, what would I do with them?

6:32 You know, and what was your answer? Yeah, what was your answer? Probably like the laundry, like at my house, and then, you know, to my car. Very, very applicable, very applicable things to my life. Like, you know, clean my car, I don't know. Like all of like everyone's robots are walking towards California, and they all end up at Trash's house, and they're all just doing, like there's hundreds of robots like attempting to mow his lawn and they're fighting over the lawn mower or whatever.

6:59 Yeah, like it's time to do my fall garden. I need like something somebody to go pull out all the current plants, put the new ones in. So it's like in my mind, I was like, this would be amazing if I just hack everybody's robot. It's like, like Trash is the world's worst super villain. He like executes his master plan, and the entire result is like a well-manacured lawn.

7:18 It's like, no, my lawn. I'm not a bad guy, I'm not a bad guy. And when they're done, I put them back. So, that still makes you a bad guy. Trash, I gave it back, it's like, I'm like 50% bad, I'm like 50% bad, I'm 100% okay. This demeanor not felony bad. Yeah, you're like a loitering kind of bad guy. Not necessarily like manslaughter.

7:42 Okay, but by the way, Casey, we've massively interrupted you. Okay, that's all right. So that's what the pocket, that's why we do this. I know, but I want to hear more about the story. The people are confused, what is the story, what happened? So what happened was these unitary robots come sort of with pre-configured software, right?

8:00 It's got a security suite, it's got all this sort of stuff. It's got protocols that are set up for doing, they have various ones we've never heard of. Like, I'd never heard of these protocols, but therefore, these kind of robotics applications, MQTT and DDS, these are things for sharing like the state of the robot or like the lidar sensing from the robot, the camera images from the robot, like all these things they have, they have this stuff.

8:24 And so, actually, there was more, like the headline was something like, you know, wormable exploit allows an attacker to take over the robots. And that was true, but believe it or not, it's, that's not even possibly the worst of it. Like, that is, that is the worst of it, but there's even more worst of it, right?

8:45 So the first problem is, the security is absolutely horrific. Like, it's got so many problems with it. Like, for example, every robot uses the same private key for all the encryption. That private key is, there's no initialization vector. So, and it's in, it's in electronic code book mode. So it's basically just like every block that you send is just flat encrypted with that private key.

9:12 And the private key is the same for all robots. So as soon as you ever can decrypt like one or even if you just want to replay attack, you can just send a block from your robot that you used to some other robot, and it will just do that thing because it's the same all the time, right? No, it's just like this vector.

9:27 And it was part of the password is literally unitary. Now, the password, it is, it is literally the admin admin situate. It's WordPress same thing I would do. Going out in this robot. They had a, they had an LCG, like they had a linear congressional generator step that is literally, it turned out to be a Rand from the Linux, like it was literally Linux Rand, C, C lib, G lib C's Rand.

9:54 So the parameters for the linear congressional generator, which is not like no one would ever use an LCG for a serious security thing as far as I know. But like if you, if you were going to use when you least use different parameters than Rand, which everyone has access to the parameters. So there was that the wireless setup, like the actual thing where you try to connect with the to the wireless on the device, you could actually just insert commands into that because they were unescaped and unchecked.

10:22 So you could actually get root access just by putting commands into the login for wireless. Like it was just like, like I was just, I was like, what is happening? It was so nuts and all of that, all of that. And then it also turns out that it's by default configured to just send all its telemetry data to server to hard coded IP addresses in China while it's operating.

10:52 Not x, not, you don't have to exploit it for this, it just does that. That's for free. Can we say that? I think the other thing that's crazy about it, well, first I have a question for trash. And then I have the next thing. So trash I was wondering just like by any chance, did you happen to work on the password management system for this?

11:11 I don't know, but literally my first, my other reaction was like, yeah, this is something I would do. Like I would totally just get out. I'd be so screwed. I'd be just like with my robot one day and then it just starts like spanking me here. Well, the password's good enough for me, bro. It's good enough for my robots too.

11:25 Yeah. Okay, also one little fun fact we did leave out of that little description. As part of this whole thing, the security researchers who figured this all out reported this to Unitry, who effectively just went dead silent on them. And so how they responded was tweeting out to the private keys to the robot on Twitter, formerly known as Twitter, formerly known as Twitter, the everything application.

11:49 They just tweeted out to two private keys and that's that. So it's just like out there. Like it's just for free. And then they just never responded to anything until like what, a week ago, they made a LinkedIn post and just said, hey, we're addressing things. And like that. It is only going to go ahead and link this.

12:05 But they're not really addressing anything. Yeah, the thing, well, there's a bunch of things. The other thing that's crazy that I think we didn't make super clear is, so this thing happens because of some like Bluetooth to Wi-Fi situation and setting up the robot with this. So because this is in this like Bluetooth wireless thing, if you infect one of them and then that robot gets next to another robot, you can make it do the same exploit.

12:39 It's literally the first computer virus. It affects the other humanoid robots by contact, which is so fun. It is like literally like stand six feet away or else your Bluetooth will take it over. Yeah, that's right. You need a social distancing robot. Yeah, the social distancing range is Bluetooth range.

13:00 So that they can't get infected. They put a mask on the okay. Yeah, we got it. Sorry. So the interesting thing about that too is it's just like, it's a good reminder a little bit of, we're entering a world now where the ability to exploit the things that we have is at an all time high because software quality is like at like rock, rock, rock bottom.

13:29 And the types of things we are building are starting to be able to do stuff like move between physical locations themselves. Things like drones, things like humanoid robots, things like cars that have like the ability to control their steering wheel and brakes like self-driving. So we're getting to the point where like the computers aren't contained anymore.

13:52 Like SkyNet is on the way, right? Like the things can come after you literally or after each other in ways that was not previously on the roadmap, right? And we're not quite there yet. Like there aren't enough things with this kind of autonomy yet, but we're pretty close, especially with self-driving cars and maybe with those like arrow drone things.

14:15 There's enough of them now. It's starting to feel like not fabulous, right? And I don't think there's a solution other than get your EMP devices ready folks. So I've had this kind of like theory about how the world will end. And it's always been with robots and exploits because this is like my idea is that we're going to invent robots one day that can fold our laundry.

14:40 And then every person in a trashes laundry, right, trashes laundry specifically. So then every person in a nation will have a robot that's just doing all the menial tasks. If you ever read way of the King's Stormlight Archives, it'd be like the parchment, right? There's parchment everywhere throughout the entire land.

14:59 And then some place, China or whatever. It looks like I mean, honestly this unit tree so bad it looks like it's intentional. That's even what the article says. It looks like it's intentional at this point. That they have a back door that one day they can flip on and then robots go into like not nice mode and hurt people.

15:15 And then it's just like you have a robot within 15 feet of a person all throughout a country. You could actually have an entire country theoretically in this universe disappear. Like every last person just like just disappear in a day in like 30 minutes, which is just never really been feasible. And now we're started like at least in my personal sense.

15:34 I just feel like I can see it actually possibly happening just maybe not intentionally just by accent with how bad things are programmed. We're literally in a movie right now. It's literally what's happening. No, we're on a podcast track. Okay. Okay. This is a podcast. It's a different guy. You know what I'm saying.

15:51 You know what I'm saying. Okay. I also like I don't I mean, I'll be completely honest. But like I also just don't really understand. I know why people do it because they just want money. But like I actually don't understand from like a from a humanistic perspective. Like I there are things that I don't want to do in life.

16:19 But most of those we now already have reasonable automation for and like I just don't fundamentally mind doing my laundry. So if the question was you can have a wormable robot army that could take over the world. Or you could spend 15 minutes moving my clothes down to the washing machine which already does the laundry for me.

16:42 I just have to put it in. I'm just like what is wrong with people? Like what can't you think of something better to do with your life than make this stuff? I just don't understand like we're kind of at the point where the things that humans are doing. A lot of it is things that humans want to do. Or aren't that unhappy doing?

17:02 It's not really like the days when we were doing back breaking manual labor for like 12 or 14 hours a day. And it was like oh my god like being able to have something like an automated harvesting machine would be absolutely amazing and transform our lives meaningful ways. Now it's like hey yeah you didn't have to actually go to the restaurant.

17:22 The automated drone delivery picked up your like Chinese food carton and brought it to your door. It's like okay yeah maybe that's worth doing if you can absolutely guarantee that like we don't have Terminator as the future. But if you can't like I could go to the fricket store and get my own Chinese food.

17:40 Like what the hell is wrong with you people? So at some level I feel like we're at this point where people are creating a sky net for no actual reason. That's funny. The whole time I was listening to that I was like man I would love not to show you that. I would love not to do a luxury. I was like Casey hates me.

18:04 Don't say anything don't say anything. Don't say it my way. I was like I would like that. I would like that. I was like I was worth it. I'm just like realistically I would never like I don't do the smart home stuff. I don't do any of that. I mean I do like have like a car that has like the Wi-Fi stuff.

18:22 But like I don't want to I don't know. Picking API across the world to like open my fridge or something like it doesn't make any sense. So if I may like let me just make sure I got this right. So if the opening of Terminator was like the tank treads rolls over the human skull and it just crushes right.

18:41 So. Classic same. Classic same. And then like it's you kind of like over like you know with with some kind of like heavy weapon in your hands like pressed up against some like dirt bunker right in your your face is all like half bloody and like you've seen you've seen all this stuff. And you're there and you're like man or this this war against machines is brutal.

19:03 But it was worth it for those five years of Chinese food. Is that is that basically like how the opening Terminator goes? No. But it'll be funny is as I'm in the bunker. Yeah. A robot comes up to me like hands me some food. And then I continue shooting my blaster. Yeah. Yeah. Like not all robots got infected by the Bluetooth virus.

19:25 And some are still delivering Chinese food. But but the workaround that the article say the workaround is like use some like isolated Wi-Fi like that like for now to like give it a look. I mean you can do a number of things but anything. But if anyone comes close to it in blue with in Bluetooth range rate.

19:43 I mean the workaround is run the exploit yourself and install better software. That's the that's so I'm going to be I'm going to maybe put a little bit of of water on your on your fiery speech there Casey in the sense that I actually have a much more black pill view point of success of software. Can you remind me which pills are which so black pill means like hopeless.

20:06 It's got like a hopeless view of software success in the sense is like like even if you just look at Chad Gippity. Chad Gippity if you if you got Sam Altman in front of Congress being like I'm in it for the love of the game. We're carrying cancer. We're taking it home boys. We're going to make the world a better place fast forward two years later.

20:22 They're like dude we got Sora Tiktok and we're now doing erotica next right like that. Yeah. It doesn't feel like software like it goes to like these amazing heights. It always feels like it's just like what's the most disappointing level. Something can get to and it's going to get right below that and be slightly more disappointing like that's just what happens.

20:40 And so it's like oh robots they're coming. Yeah and like 50 years they might be different but today for the next five years. They're just going to be really bad at everything they do. So the black hole here is basically like look 20 30. There's not going to be sky net because these things will just start tripping over themselves and they won't be able to shoot the gun.

20:57 They'll try to shoot the gun and they'll just fly back. It'll be more or less like the incompetence will save us. Our own incompetence will both cause the robot uprising and stop it. It'll be like this. It'll be like oh man dude the robot uprising was going to happen. But then I forgot my password to my Google account because I lost my phone.

21:14 So I like couldn't log in and so then my robot could turn on. I couldn't turn on. I couldn't log into Google. It's like man. It does it does feel that way a little bit with the AI stuff. They're like you don't understand. It's going to write all the code in the world and it's going to change everything.

21:28 It's going to revolutionize the world and then later on they're like. So we need you to watch these ads that we're going to insert in between the responses. And you're just like wait what like in what timeline did you need to do that? If this stuff was that sophisticated they're like well. We just need a little more time to get there I guess.

21:49 Yeah. So anyways I'm a little bit black pilled on the success of software. Okay. Fair enough. You know totally reasonable. That's actually not horrible I guess. It's not as bad as the robot uprising for sure. Yeah. That's true. Are there a lot of people that have these robots to begin with? I've got three.

22:07 Oh. No, I just hold it right now. They're getting in there. They're getting in there. They're getting in there. Yeah. They're getting in there. Yeah. They're getting in there. Yeah. They're getting in there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How do you guys think I have time for this podcast bro? I'm laundry maxing right now with my robot.

22:25 Yeah. It's a real concern. Okay. Yeah. They wrote this on the whiteboard behind me like I'm not going to touch a whiteboard. A physical thing disgusting. I've got robots. I'm getting one. I'm getting one. Yeah. So what happens? That's let's just pretend. I like the idea that like the AI bro like bragging list keeps getting like reduced in stock to like.

22:48 Yo man, if you're folding your shirts yourself, you're never going to get ahead in this world. Wait, how did we go from this? It wasn't that. It wasn't that. It wasn't that. Like the sigma chat edits and it's like. And the guy's folding your laundry takes 15 minutes every day. I don't do that. So you know what that means 15 times seven.

23:08 That's 105, 105 minutes a week times 50, 5,000, 217 minutes a year that I have that you don't have. Yeah. You have to keep up with that accurate number. Is that 5,000 over accurate? I don't know trash. I just believe you. I was like, oh my god. He's so hard. No, trash. He said 105 times 50. What's 50 times?

23:32 Okay, never mind. We just go on. Are you still doing math in your head? We have calculators. We have. I didn't do math. I didn't even know how much time I saved to my calculator. So I'm going to run my calculator and have to rest until me how much time I saved. I'm going to yell at you about it. Shut up, Boomer.

23:51 In this house, calculators do math. Alexa, what's 50 times whatever number he said? I'm going to go bordering 12,000 bananas. No, no, Alexa, stop, stop, stop. Hey Siri, let's get everybody's phone. That's, oh man. Okay, so let's just pretend for a second that all these things actually end up coming true.

24:18 And we kind of start living more and more towards the bro AI bro world where you're just letting AI's right off your code. You got AI's fold in all of your laundry. Yeah. What are you going to, what are you going to actually do in life? Yeah, I always want to push up the eyebrows that yeah. So like when I have AI right by code, I have to do code review.

24:36 But so do we have to start doing like laundry review with AI? Do I have to go back and make sure before we merge it into my into my drawers? I'm like, all right, I'm going to take it out. I got to get get up laundry hub. Do you actually fold, do you fold your shirt? Do you actually fold your shirt? Yeah.

24:55 This is what I do. Let me show you. Yeah, let's see trash. I have like laundry behind me. That's my inner robot. Don't worry. We can see it. Go like this. And then I just go like that and then I just roll it up. You're a roller full of time. Full of time. And then I just have like a whole stack of them just like roll like scrolls in a library.

25:14 Libraries don't have scrolls trash like. I think they're like a thousand years ago. Well, they used to, okay? They used to have a good library. They've got scrolls. Yeah, what kind of library is your crafty municipal library? You go to some secret libraries. I go to the British Royal Library and I read scrolls because I want actual truth.

25:32 If it's not on public library reading books, you're not living life. If you read a book that's printed on a printing press, you're just reading something that was written by someone who read a scroll at some point. I was re-urgitating that to you probably with a bunch of lies from the establishment baked into it.

25:50 Yeah. Scrolls only. Everything came from scrolls. Change my mind. That's like if you think software that's lasted long times more likely to keep being here tomorrow, scrolls that have been here a long time are more likely to be relevant tomorrow too. So it's kind of big brain strategy that trash only reads scrolls.

26:08 I respect that. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Only scrolls. We try to get Claude Fold as a sponsor to this, like the first, like, laundry based, like, like, large, LLM, large laundry model. Can we get the first large laundry model provider to, like, sponsor this podcast where we've been talking so positively about laundry?

26:30 Because I feel like that's where the mind is going to be next, right? Like, none of this, like, a video generation or whatever it is, that's, like, that's not interesting. It's laundry, baby. Everyone's got it. You have to fold it. It's true. True. Not everyone has to write code, but everyone has to fold laundry.

26:48 They can. They can ask the real question. So let's consider this. Let's try to add some humanity back to this podcast. Okay. Sorry. I'm ready. He asked a real question, which was like, and I do wonder this time. It's like, what do you want to do? Especially when you're talking about, you guys can explain this to me too.

27:02 It's like, look, you guys were generating AI music. Like music is something that humans are supposed to do for themselves, you know? It's like part of, like, the human experience is to, like, make music and, like, sing and, like, play an instrument. And, like, a good question is, like, it feels kind of dehumanizing to have an AI do it.

27:20 Whether you like the song that comes out of it or not, it's, like, it feels a bit soulless. Comments? No, I agree with that. I agree with that. Okay. Okay. Okay. Let me hit you with something just for a quick second. Hit me up. When you generate AI music, you know, it comes out. People's music. That is stolen music, basically.

27:41 Yeah. Baby powder covered slappers. Okay. We're talking about some of the finest music in the industry today. You know, you know why? Because modern music is soulless. Okay. And you got a point there. I can just regurgitate that stuff. So he's like, all right. You've got four chords and just a snare drum.

27:59 We got a music. Okay. Throw a little female vocals on it. Boom. If I think, so that would be, that would be, that would be, that would be, that would be, It's not appropriate. Oh, go ahead. Sorry, Casey. That would be the point out it's like, it's happening at the worst time because basically what we're doing is reporting gasoline on a bad fire, right?

28:17 It's like, we already kind of have this place where like modern music distribution was increasingly becoming about, like, you know, how do you just generate another version of the latest random pop song? And like, now it's like, literally generate. just generate by having some producers in a room who monkey with the like thing but now it's like we just need an AI that can generate that song again like you know did you you know did you ingest all the Taylor Swift songs just put out another one of those if you could please and we don't even you know we're not even gonna have like people actually work on it anymore and and I do think like that's kind of I don't know that's really unfortunate because I feel like

28:57 we don't want to accelerate that trend but we are sort of or maybe maybe trash if you're right what will happen is the opposite everyone in the world will just pump that stuff out and humans will become very bored of it and then the actual value of music created by actual people will go up again that could happen too I guess I don't know all I do is listen to music from 20 years ago plus I don't even listen to anything in this except for you love French kiss an AI okay that was one of the that was a buffer that is a good song the thing I would say for it though is that I think I don't know what the answer is to this but I at least see like a parallel in that computers are way better at chess than humans are but like the a mildly good computer

29:48 chess engine can be Magnus Carlson is my understanding I'm sorry Magnus if you're out there listening to this pot and that's not true I take it back but definitely the best chess engines can still be Magnus Carlson right and yeah but like chess is more popular than ever right like it's literally what you yeah mind it's ever been no it's five more than it's ever been like you can go people watch chess streams and they have like these like the internet chess tournaments and there's all this which was never possible yeah yeah so it's just it's at least not like a you know sure thing that just because a computer can do something better than people that then we're like done doing it as humans like we still like playing chess we still like watching people play chess we

30:39 still like learning chess and learning it for ourselves even though like I could just look at stock fish every move and then I would play a perfect game but that that's not like fun or enjoyable and there's no struggle or anything like that so I think like maybe AI could be like for me it would be sick like as someone who only can play drums if I was playing more drums it would be sweet to make the rest of the pieces of a song and have AI play it and play drums along with it whereas I would never be able to like commission a bass player a guitar player and you know like it'd be cooler to be part of a band but like trash keeps not responding to my DMs so that's like one that's not one I can play dude next time wait what have we got a whole band here I can play

31:28 keyboards what have we got I can play this guitar I can play bass and good dude we've got a band man we can play I just I can play there's a there's a band it would be pretty sweet to play some blue like if we just got down and then it's them come on guys go ahead a lot of talent yeah I think you're playing a live in person's terrible time at a place and we will close it with a live song yeah I can play like DJ's always a DJ has the same same desire that every pretty much high school boy has at some point which is to be a famous musician so if DJ could be on like on stage right now I'm sorry folks guys out my band emergency exits we were so close okay I aka sounds of silver we could never decide broke up the band after the name it's a tough story but well you know it's

32:25 what it is I did music for like three years touring and then I'm not gonna tell you anything besides that but we can find it out trust yeah please do not broadcast oh no what not it was fun I did like a work tour and some other stuff it was pretty fun I was gonna say you were in an emo band and now that you said you did work to her dude I was just like 100% emo I like my face is all pierced up I like the long hair like that dude the stand up band it's trash are you trolling me yeah oh my trash okay you have to send us some stuff offline I promise my previous life yeah we won't we don't want to see that I have it because I just want to hear it no trash it is not your previous life it's your current life because we are starting this band

33:18 we are gonna play a small one it's gonna be great yeah I don't know why I even broadcasted that information that's crazy that you know like the word I was like I'm like real time regretting everything right I almost want to hang up I hate it yeah which one of the hundred that realization that you just said that out loud or when you found out you were an apple shell live I find out a lot of things about myself on this podcast it's a soul searching experience yeah well I'm glad that we have a future that is not very great and I learned that trash as a musician today I'm very excited about this we should do a band that one I I actually kind of liked what what teach just said I feel like that's a pretty optimistic way of looking at it and

34:03 very very like fitting with teachers personality which was just like look maybe we're gonna end up with a lot of things being like chess but who cares because like humans can just do it we're gonna do it anyway we are in less machines get wormable exploits kill us all yeah that one true that was the worry I don't like that is so good but I don't know if you ever feel this way like I sometimes feel like I have a German Shepherd at home she's like 60 pounds she's not huge but I'm like she like plays next to my little kids and I think like holy cow like that's kind of crazy it's crazy that we like spend a lot of time fixing all the bugs in the dog coding so now dog you very nice like you know and my kids can jump on this dog and like pull her ears and everything

34:51 and she licks them instead of biting their face off you know like that's really cool I'm glad that I have German Shepherd V 65,000 yes but it's like are people I this makes like this article and just like thinking about it literally makes me think like maybe I don't want robot version 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 like in my house you know what I'm saying like that's my kids it that's like freaky stuff dude it's kind of scary yes even if it doesn't get exploited it's just like somebody wrote some bad code and it like steps down when it should have stepped over and it's like humans are soft and squishy and robots are big and heavy right there's like a there's like you know you're watching the changelog every week and and you see these like really disturbing things it's like

35:40 oh yeah patch resolved the problem where the robot would be standing over your bed holding a knife and it was just misrecognizing that as tomatoes and there were you know so sorry for everyone who got smooked out by that but don't worry we've like we found fix that one should be rolling out anything out yet one thing we would suggest for the next two nights before it updates everywhere just keep your bedroom doors closed preferably locked if they have the kind of handle that you can push down on and we'll just leave it at that yeah just don't dress in red you won't be mistaken by yeah exactly if you have any small round red children we would just keep them out of the house yeah so that's such a good skit someone has to make that I also think what's hilarious for this

36:29 like unitary one is it's like the patch notes still haven't dropped the LinkedIn thing they posted was like hey we we we are about to roll out a patch that fixes most of these issues if I recall that was like the exact wording from the LinkedIn post which is insane because it's like what do you mean one about to roll out we have it rolled out the fix for this and number two what do you mean most of the issues like like actual questions like for like these miniature robots okay good sorry sorry just a for TJ exactly from LinkedIn we immediately began addressing these concerns and have now completed the majority of the fixes majority yeah that means over 50% by the way that's what majority means just so we're gonna like

37:20 51% of the fixes we've got those they get 49 hacked within 10 feet of each other now like is there actual like consumers of this outside of like researchers just trying to break it and stuff like I feel like I just don't know anybody it's I mean order like I can just go on there and order one right now how much is a robot nine hundred dollars how much oh my god seventy seven thousand nine hundred dollars for a G1 robot so there's like doesn't scare your one more trash was that a police department bought one of these for like the dog thing to test it out like they have dog for the dog I see the dog one yeah yeah row the government's gonna get these and then what's gonna happen then it can like leak everything inside of the like it can go

38:06 inside of the police department and then or can go wherever the government owns it and it's like oh we just accidentally hacked the entire police department or like we send all of the audio visual data to our servers because like they have cameras and microphones and they can do they're going to find trash is a rest record for when he trashed the hotel room that's where he got the name trash probably when he was on the return this band that we're not supposed to know about every faucet yeah he keep faucets the wet band that could be our band name yeah can we put the Grammy award-winning as part of the band title like the Grammy award-winning stand-up band but when I was in a band so that's a Grammy award-winning band you don't have to use the term Grammy

38:51 you we can just say award-winning band because teaching you just want an award you have a trophy I have a trophy oh we're fresh I got a Netflix trophy love it love it fresh I want a hack they lose everyone right here love it right here award-winning open-source development look at that look at that trash don't tell me that ain't award-winning dang trash go break my tooth what ain't true for you guys where are you playing in this is for breaking legs buddy okay breaking legs award nice 14 plus breaking legs award that's it I'm scared of the robots I would be worried but I do kind of want to order I mean what else is there to say there's not all we set it all hopefully I'm dead before this apocalypse happens I'm glad I'm old I'm actually you're eating Doritos brother hey man I'm

39:51 working out all right okay trash I'm eating counteracts what Doritos do these I switched the pirate booty today so just today health conscious reasons yeah well I went I went to Disneyland when my kids I bought like a huge box of these and then now they're my office so I'm just going to town I can't stop myself I can't stop myself sorry kids I'm eating your snacks where did pride go I just had to walk away for a second I just can't even believe what I'm saying right now you literally that that was like you couldn't take it you couldn't take the pirate booty box I just can't take the fact that he has a full full-ass pirate booty box next to his next to his desk and then he also pulled up like multiple wrappers wrappers that are empty and he what do you want me to do

40:35 I'm hungry he's some protein is what he wants you to do I'm hungry I had a bagel I had lots of protein in it okay okay people are not a good source of pro did you I know I'm gonna I'm gonna I'll eat like a steak or something later okay all right okay I'm gonna work out today too I'm gonna work out again yeah I know I'm gonna work out again I believe I believe I'm in trash okay I can I say something that doesn't hurt your feelings hopefully I can't hurt my feelings fresh I really like it when you have glasses on my contact I know you had them on you had them on your head for the first half this podcast and my context in right now I know when you wear glasses you just you just look like trash now that you don't have your glasses and it's like I don't

41:16 even know who you are see like I can't put like a contact on your heart double vision is that out works you see two things now I don't know I just can't see nothing you want to see do you want me to rip my contact right now put them on no don't do it don't get the jelly in your eyeballs trash yeah those of you who are just joining us at the park before the stream where I asked why trash wasn't wearing glasses and he was like I don't want to get jelly in my eyeballs was the explanation I was like what and he's like well I'm eating this bagel with jelly on it and I'm like so I guess he couldn't you couldn't eat it without it coming up into your face like you don't understand when you eat the bagel you get jelly slime on your fingies and it's not

42:01 going to come off but just the napkins you got to wash your hands so now I got jelly slime in my eyeballs now thank you very much true how did you get in your eyeballs though like expect because you said all the steps and none of it involved putting your hands in your eyes you're like so I took the contact off to get the contact on my eye I got to squeeze my eyeball with two fingers and pull it off and if there's jelly on these little thingies that makes it try to get on my eye it's a simple concept 50 times 50 times 105 okay you've more on 12 50 right is that the answer 50 just a hundred times 50 you can do that you at least I don't want to do it I'm spoiled by I'm used to getting jelly all over your contact lenses and open your eyeballs because you don't

42:57 have an AI to remove your contact lenses for you will I do and I can see without having a giant purple haze over my eyes because I got jelly all up in there and that's why I'm making bank every day you spend seven seconds taking out your glasses it's a real problem wait what's a real problem you guys look at it for your AI robot to do this for you but you don't have to lift a hand yeah come on no more jelly for you the robots all jelly up now oh man it's a real problem guys don't tell you robot but you get jelly in your eyes yeah you feel I'm I try it makes sense to me I'm with you on this one with you I am right well thank you everybody for joining us on this amazing end of today we have with us as always

43:45 teach DV I just want to code we have trash dev jelly jelly in the eyeballs and of course Casey the actual engineer meertory uh Casey we can find you at computer enhance.com if you actually want to learn how computers work you should probably check that out and stop being such an idiot instead being an amazing engineer uh trash I don't know what trash has to offer other than you got any like you want to like I'm here for the lulls or something what do you do I'm just here for the lulls everybody and you check out is check out is x.com trash underscore dev with two ages that's the best place to find six month old reddit memes I need to change my name that's what I need to do true what what do you get changed your name to trash with three ages oh yeah

44:26 triple H you know I'm saying triple H trash it works for Vin Diesel and of course teach DV the magnificent coder among us who also dresses in Miami nice I do I tried to I tried to represent for the pod so I wish it was pretty nice mm-hmm thank you and so today that was the stand-up the name I don't have anything I don't have like a run-on sense I can do a jet