422: ‘A Monkey on a Rock’, With Stephen Hackett

Stephen Hackett, proprietor of 512 Pixels and co-founder of Relay (relay.fm) (purveyor of many fine podcasts), joins the show. Topics include: IO (or if you will, io), the new joint venture of OpenAI and Jony Ive’s LoveFrom; the sheer fantasy of “Made in America” iPhones; and Fortnite’s return to the US App Store.

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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good (podsearch.david-smith.org/shows/11).

Links:

• Apple in China (bookshop.org/a/56320/9781668053379), Patrick’s spectacular new book.

• Patrick on The Daily Show With Jon Stewart (daringfireball.net/linked/2025/05/22/mcgee-dai…).

• Excerpt from the book in the Sunday Times of London (thetimes.com/business-money/technology/article…).

• Millions, Billions, Zillions (amazon.com/Millions-Billions-Zillions-Defendin…), Brian Kernighan’s fun little book on practical day-to-day math.

This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.