432: ‘You and Frank Sinatra’, With Dan Moren

Dan Moren returns to the show. Topics include Atlas, ChatGPT's new web browser (or anti-web browser) for the Mac; Apple's loss in a "landmark" regulatory lawsuit in the UK regarding App Store commission rates; multiple reports of poor sales for the iPhone Air; and Apple's M5 product announcements: MacBook Pro, iPads Pro, and Vision Pro.

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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good (podsearch.david-smith.org/shows/11).

Links:

• Sleep++ (apps.apple.com/us/app/sleep/id1038440371), David Smith’s iOS sleep app that ties into Apple Health data, and gives what I think is a much more accurate and interesting “sleep score” than does Apple Health itself in iOS 26.

• ChatGPT Atlas: new Chromium browser for Mac:
• OpenAI’s announcement (openai.com/index/introducing-chatgpt-atlas).

• Their promotion (help.openai.com/en/articles/12608430-chatgpt-a…) to get 7 days of higher ChatGPT usage if you make, and keep, Atlas as your default browser.

• Anil Dash: “ChatGPT’s Atlas: The Browser That’s Anti-Web (anildash.com/2025/10/22/atlas-anti-web-browser)”.

• Simon Willison’s initial thoughts (simonwillison.net/2025/Oct/21/introducing-chat…).

• Michael Tsai’s roundup of links (mjtsai.com/blog/2025/10/22/chatgpt-atlas/#chat…).

• Reuters: “Apple Loses Landmark UK Lawsuit Over App Store Commissions (reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regul…)”.

• Multiple reports suggest the iPhone Air is not selling well (daringfireball.net/linked/2025/10/22/nikkei-as…).
• But it seems like Apple isn’t doing any advertising for the iPhone Air (threads.com/@thebasicappleguy/post/DQRyfheCYAW) (or regular iPhone 17) at all — (yet?).

• Dan’s Six Colors coverage of the M5 speed bump updates from Apple:
• Base model 14-inch MacBook Pro (sixcolors.com/post/2025/10/the-macbook-pro-wit…).

• 11- and 13-inch iPads Pro (sixcolors.com/post/2025/10/the-ipad-pro-gets-t…).

• Vision Pro (sixcolors.com/post/2025/10/apple-launches-m5-p…).

• Dan’s review of the new Dual Knit Band for Vision Pro (sixcolors.com/post/2025/10/m5-vision-pro-dual-…) (which is now the only band included by default with the M5 models).

• My piece on the M5 announcements (daringfireball.net/2025/10/m5_chip_launches_wi…).

• Dan’s previous appearance on The Talk Show (daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2024/10/31/ep-412), from October last year, talking about — déjà vu — new Mac hardware.

• “&udm=14” (udm14.com) — AI-overview-free Google search, from Ernie Smith. Also: My DF post about it back in May (daringfireball.net/linked/2024/05/23/udm14).

• Dan’s personal website (dmoren.com), with links to his science fiction novels and short stories (dmoren.com/writing).

This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.