The Antichrist and the Muslim Mahdi: Part 10

0:00 The very next Ramadan, Ramadan 2025, took place three weeks later. So just by the skin of his teeth. It's so cool. Why wasn't it a week after Ramadan began? Because this is the prophecy. He so precisely fulfills all the prophecies. And you see what I just did there? We're not just talking about one prophecy. He emerges from the Mahdi.

0:20 But it's a relationship to these other prophecies. And the timing has to be just right. And it's inexplicable.

0:28 Welcome to These Final Days podcast, where we explore what scripture says about the last days before Jesus' return. We'll connect biblical prophecy to today's events, showing how they align in our time. For more on These Final Days, including Pastor Ryan's best-selling book series, visit thesefinaldays.org. Now, welcome to today's episode.

0:57 We're talking about Muslim eschatology, Islamic prophecies, and what they believe about the Mahdi. And so we are presenting these as fulfilled prophecies. We've already covered 17. We're going to cover number 18. And we have at least two, maybe three more to cover here in the upcoming conversations.

1:22 And that's in the Muslim column. In the Muslim column. So how many columns do we have, Sarah? And what are they? The contained checkboxes.

1:30 Right. So, so far we have 42 specific prophecies. And then they're in the Judeo-Christian eschatology column, also prerequisites. And then the Islamic or the Muslim column. Right.

1:46 And we've been working on the Muslim column for quite a while. And yeah, you know, it's funny because it just occurred to me, like, why are we starting with the Muslim column? That was, you know, Sarah's idea. She's a producer. But yeah, why did we start with the Muslim column? I have no idea. I'm not saying I'm against it. It's like the first thing on the page. Yeah, it's way out of the page. Being provocative encourages engagement.

2:08 But here's the thing, though. They do, they do. And we get a lot of fellow believers who understandably really question this. A lot of our audience now understands why we're doing this, but You guys are supposed to be Christian. Why on earth are you quoting the Quran and the Hadiths and giving credence to Islam? So I always give this little speech before we start. But one of you, please explain to the audience, those who maybe are new or whatever, don't remember. Why are we looking at Muslim prophecies?

2:38 when we're Christian? So yeah, number one, it's a great question. Like, like, uh, pastor Ryan said, um, you know, what, what if you came into it, you know, a purportedly Christian show purportedly Christian live stream. And we were, you know, asking a psychic what to expect, right. That's actually not, that's actually not where we're coming from. So where we're coming from is, uh, we have reasons to believe in this ministry. A lot of ministries are catching onto this or have caught onto this, that, um, the Christian antichrist, uh, is a match for a messianic figure expected by Muslims called the Mahdi. And so if they're a match, if our Antichrist in Christianity turns out to be who the Muslims perceive as a Mahdi, their

3:22 messianic figure, then the Muslims have to believe that he's the Mahdi. So they're going to have a checklist. You know, what do we expect to see from this guy? For example, he's supposed to make an appearance in Mecca at the Kaaba. That's one thing that they're looking for. He has to be Arab, born in Saudi Arabia, right? Right, right, right.

3:46 You know, et cetera, right. So if someone comes along who doesn't check the checkboxes of the Mahdi, then he won't be recognized as this Messianic figure. And anyone who's not recognized as this Messianic figure in Islam can't go on to fulfill the role of the Christian Antichrist. Is that a good way of explaining it, you guys?

4:06 Yes.

4:07 I love it. So that's one point, and I think that's a good place to start. And then I want to pivot to Sarah because I love to put her on the spot. So let's see if Sarah can explain from a biblical standpoint why we as Christians would presume that the Antichrist, when he comes, will be Muslim or, more accurately, ostensibly Muslim. When the Antichrist comes, he's not going to be anything. He doesn't care about human religions or faith. His goal is just to usurp the Holy Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. But he'll have to pretend to be a certain religion in order to get the kind of backing that he's going to need, like Aaron was just saying, the kind of backing that he's going to need to be able to fulfill this

4:51 insane plan, rebuild the temple, then take it over, start killing Christians, start killing Jews, the War of Armageddon. He has to have a very, very large military and political backing. But Sarah, is there anything in the Bible that might give us a hint that, my gosh, yeah, in fact, this guy is going to at least honor Islam?

5:15 Right.

5:15 And so you're talking specifically about Daniel chapter 11, where it talks about that he will honor a god of fortresses. And it even talks about, you know, he'll honor this god with gold, silver. But that god of fortresses is one of the 99 names of Allah. So moatzim, is that right?

5:37 Excellent, excellent. So that's the actual Hebrew word in Daniel chapter 11.

5:41 Moatz is the Arabic.

5:44 Is the Arabic version, you nailed it. So in Hebrew, we read in Daniel chapter 11 that he'll pay homage to a god of fortresses. And fortresses there is, again, you just said it, Sarah, the Hebrew. Say it again.

5:58 Moatzim.

5:59 Moatzim.

6:01 Yay.

6:01 And then, and then the Arabic equivalent of Mawatsim, because they're both Semitic languages, so they sound similar, is Al-Mawats. Very good. And Al-Mawats is in fact, do you guys remember which, which name? 24. Like it's 99 names. Name number 24. Wow, good job. Why would Jesus, who was actually the one conveying this, this final prophecy to Daniel, right?

6:23 We know this from Daniel chapter 10, where we get all these descriptors, like 10 different descriptors of the person that the entity, the supernatural entity that comes to deliver this prophecy, when we compare those 10 descriptors to Revelation chapter 1, same descriptors in the same order, and in Revelation he's identified as Jesus. So this is a pre-incarnate Jesus who comes to deliver this final end times prophecy to Daniel, which is Daniel chapter 11 and chapter 12.

6:50 And you might say, well, Jesus, he wasn't born for another 500 years. That's true, but that's why we say pre-incarnate Jesus, which is not should not be a foreign concept to any of us because this wasn't even Jesus' first appearance in the book of Daniel. Daniel chapter 3.

7:03 The fourth one in the fire.

7:06 The fourth man in the fire who Nebuchadnezzar, the Babylonian king said, and he is like the son of God.

7:13 Which I think is like the first Old Testament reference to the son of God, which was like very profound.

7:21 For him to say that. I didn't realize that, but yeah, that sounds right, so. So it's Jesus. So why would Jesus pick this name above the other 98 names for Allah for us way, way, way in the future, 2,500, 2,600 years in the future, that this is how we're going to be able to look and say, oh my gosh, he's talking about Allah, right? And remember, this, by the way, was more than a thousand years before Islam even existed, before the name Allah was even spoken. So Daniel couldn't have written down Allah. He's going to write down the Hebrew equivalent, but, but again, why, why, why Mawad Seem instead of one of the other 98 names of Allah?

8:02 This is, this is a fun one. The Muslim prayer begins, uh, Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim in the name of Allah, the merciful, the compassionate. But if we're talking about Christian, Aaron, I didn't want to do that. You want to hear the whole prayer?

8:15 I don't think we should be.

8:19 We're going to lose more members. Yeah. So, um, Anyway, so in the name of Allah, the merciful, the compassionate, those are two of his names, right? Rahman and Rahim, merciful, compassionate. But if you're talking about Christian eschatology and the point of view of Christ speaking to his church, warning us about what our experience of the Antichrist will be in the end times, it's not going to be mercy and compassion that we're experiencing. It's going to be the warlike nature of Allah, which is what the Mahdi is going to be mainly about. In fact, I can go further and say that when the end times come, whether you're a Muslim or a Christian, and I have many Muslim friends, I think we all do, and we love them dearly.

9:01 And it's hard to have this conversation because of our love for them. And we want them to see what we see. But, you know, that's up to the Holy Spirit. But anyway, so I can go further and say that when the Mahdi comes, the age of mercy and compassion from the Muslim world, Ummah, the Muslim community worldwide, is over.

9:25 Because when the Mahdi comes, actually, more pointedly, when the second coming of Esau happens, right? So in Islam, they believe that this messianic character will come called the Mahdi. He's not the son of God. He's not Jesus returning. Many of you have heard that the Muslims believe that there will be a second coming of Christ within Islam.

9:44 They call him Esau. When he comes, he'll come to support the Mahdi. So he'll be a second figure in addition to the Mahdi. The Mahdi is going to be warlike in his own right, but what Esau will do, who they will perceive as the second coming of Jesus, he's going to go a whole large step further. No more mercy, no more compassion. Anyone who doesn't renounce Christianity and Judaism and convert to Islam is going to be beheaded.

10:10 That's what Esau will do within Meso-Meschatology. By the way, does that sound suspiciously like a match for our false prophets? the right-hand man of the Antichrist.

10:20 Yeah.

10:20 And this was a recent thing that you and I had been kicking around, like literally, you know, like, you know, this year we, we started to look at that, but, but yeah, a hundred percent. I agree with that, Aaron, that, that, uh, the one that the Muslims call Isa Ibn Mariam, Jesus, the son of Mary. Yes, that Jesus, they certainly don't understand Jesus the way that we do.

10:38 Right.

10:38 They don't believe that he died and rose again.

10:40 Right.

10:41 Or, or certainly that he's the son of God. But, um, But yeah, he looks 100% like the person we call the false prophet in Revelation chapter 13, you know, et cetera. But yeah, you know, it's so funny because this just occurred to me like maybe a week or so ago. Like, you know, why is it the 24th name and just how you described it? Because, you know, he's coming as, you know, operating according to or honoring the God of war.

11:10 It's not the mercy of Allah. It's not the compassion.

11:13 Right.

11:14 But I love the connection you just made because that did not occur to me before, that in fact when Isa ibn Maryam shows up, right, and the whole story shifts to God of war, that's the moment. The evidence of that is that the Muslims start to really persecute Christians and Jews. We see that in Revelation chapter 12, very, very clear, right, Revelation chapter 13, But also, do you remember in the Quran what the verse is in the Quran about Isa ibn Maryam, the Muslim version of Jesus, who we call the false prophet? He's going to break the cross and kill the swine, or smash the cross and kill the swine. So breaking the cross is a reference to killing Christians. That's what he's going to do.

12:03 Game over. We're through trying to expand through proselytizing immigration and We're through trying to get along with our neighbors. We're through with the Zakat tax, which is what Christians and other non-Muslims and Muslim countries have to pay in order to be allowed to live. Oh, I'm sorry. That's the Jizya tax. Yeah, the Zakat is their tithe. I'm sorry. Yeah, the Jizya. So we're done with the Jizya. We're done with allowing them to have their churches and synagogues. We're now going to smash the cross, which means kill the Christians, and kill the swine, which means kill the Jews. you know how Jesus's first incarnation, he came to bring peace.

12:42 But in his second coming, he's going to come with a sword. He'll be coming to wage war. And so I think that the, the second coming of Esau, which is the false prophet is probably a purposeful perversion of that idea.

12:55 Yeah.

12:55 I'm putting that to wage, to wage war. But if I'm, if I'm Esau, I'm coming to wage war against your people, Jesus. Another great connection.

13:03 Yeah.

13:04 Well, which is, which is to, um, To validate the Muslim belief that Christians were this certain phase in the true faith. First the Jews came, but they had it wrong. Then the Christians came and they perverted it by making Jesus divine, a deity. And so Isa himself is going to come back to set us straight. Hey, you guys, I'm not the son of God. I wasn't resurrected. And then what's the penalty if you resist? We'll cut your head off. Beheading.

13:33 Salvation is found in Christ alone. Yes, we 100% agree with that. Jesus is our Savior, and we seek to live our life to glorify Him and to bring Him honor.

13:44 And that is our hope.

13:46 And that's why we're exposing this dark agenda of Islam. And this is why we're presenting these things, sharing these things, so that the church would be aware of what's going on. I mean, we know the Antichrist is going to have a huge following today. And we believe that Islam is this following. I mean, it's the second fastest, well, it's the fastest growing religion, second largest in the world. And I think by 2030s, it's supposed to surpass Christianity if it continues.

14:17 At this rate. At this rate. And it makes perfect sense. And so, yeah, so those are a couple of important reasons why we, as a Christian ministry, are really, really doing a deep dive on, you know, Muslim eschatology about this I mean, to me, it's extraordinary. Like, we should all find it astounding that Islam actually has an end times Messiah, and they believe in the seven-year period of great tribulation, and their end times Messiah is prophesied to rebuild the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. That's a whole other can of worms. I don't remember if we've actually talked about that on this TikTok. We're going to have to do that.

14:50 A little bit here and there, but not in depth.

14:52 Yeah, we just kind of talk about it, allude to it. But But but so even more than all this, though, not more than all this, but in addition to all this, just let's think about this logically. So so if we are in the last of the days, the last of the last days, which I think we all believe that we are, that's why we're taking time from Sunday to all discuss this together.

15:12 Right.

15:13 We're on the brink of this enormous clash between the Antichrist and whoever his his people are and the Jews in particular, Christians do, but Jews. And the epicenter of this whole story, anyone who understands the end times, we understand that the epicenter is the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. So this is so logical, it's impossible to miss, right?

15:38 Who is fighting the Jews and have been for centuries over the Temple Mount in Jerusalem? It's the Muslims. I mean, it's so obvious, everybody, right? So it's not, you know, the Chinese are going to come in and it's going to be a Chinese Antichrist and they're going to try to take over Jerusalem. No, it's not the Chinese. Nobody cares about the Temple Mount. No one is murdering people and blowing up buildings and blowing themselves up and waging war over the Temple Mount except for the Islamic world.

16:05 We're not saying all Muslims. We want to emphasize that. We have a lot of Muslim friends. Muslims and Jews and Christians and Buddhists and Hindus and atheists, we all have the same enemy in this world, and that's Satan. And Satan's out to destroy us all, and we're all targets of him. And it categorically won't be the Chinese coming over the Euphrates River when it dries up to fight Israel. Yeah, that's a common thing. It's going to be, I think it's going to be Iraq, Iran, possibly Afghanistan and Pakistan. They're the ones who are coming. Chinese wouldn't even need to. And for sure, Pakistan and Afghanistan. And, you know, let's say, you know, extreme northwest China, which is the Uyghurs, they're Muslim, you know, Central Asia, anyways.

16:48 whoever ends up coming to fight alongside them.

16:51 We are looking at Muslim eschatology, and we're not saying that it's true in the sense that it's reliable, like we should build our life on it. But we are saying that it's true that these things, we are seeing fulfillments of these things happening. Our candidate is Ahmad al-Sharah. He's the current president of Syria. And so the day that he came on the scene, December 8th, 2024, he began checking boxes. And then Ryan, knowing that, you know, this concept, this idea that the Muslim Mahdi will also be the Antichrist, he started looking at Islamic prophecies. And all of it is laid out in the book, so you guys can check it out. It's on Amazon.

17:33 It's These Final Days, Part 3. Yes. And so everything is in the book.

17:40 Yeah, I just published this on July 1st, These Final Days, Part 3. Go to Amazon.com or you could go to our website, TheseFinalDays.org, and it'll link you over to Amazon.com. And it's part three because I published part, I can do this part one and part two in, you know, years past. But yeah, we do just the deepest of deep dives in part three. And I've got 110 pages about the current Syrian president, Ahmad al-Sharah. I call it the conclusion of the book because it just doesn't quite fit into the body of my book series. But yeah, the world's longest conclusion. I keep saying that right. But yeah, go check it out. And we get, we, you know, I thoroughly cover all these check boxes and it's just inexplicable.

18:24 I mean, how many Muslim check boxes do we have or how many check boxes do we have?

18:27 20 total.

18:28 20 just in the Muslim. Okay. 20 total. That's a lot. So just the, just, just half of those, it would be, you know, one fourth of those, it would be, you know, statistically impossible that this guy is not, you know, who, who we are suggesting that he may be. And he still may not be, but if he's not, you know, anyway, you kind of, what, what we're seeing is supernatural. There's, There's no other explanation. And the fact that all these Muslim prophecies are becoming fulfilled, they're being fulfilled, what that says to us, and we've talked about this before, and we can't explain it, and I say it's above our pay grade to even try, right? I mean, we kind of try. But there's got to be some kind of,

19:09 not some kind of, a profound supernatural revelation that was given to Muhammad, and then was even given to the subsequent writers of the Hadiths, later writers in Islam. And what's the source of this supernatural revelation? We don't believe that Islam is a man-made religion. It's not. Islam is 100% a supernaturally founded, based religion. We just say that that spirit that accosted Muhammad in the cave of Hira when he was given the Qur'an, That was just like Muhammad thought. Muhammad believed it was what's called a jinn.

19:47 It's where we get the English word genie, an evil spirit. And we suggest that it was, I mean, I'm convinced of it, the ultimate evil spirit. It was Satan himself who showed up in the cave. Muslims, I mean, they're going to hate us for saying this. I've already got 100 fatwas on my head, whatever. I don't care. But we're just trying to get the truth out there, right?

20:06 But even then, like Sarah said earlier in the program today, does that mean that Satan can tell the future? We know that he can't. So how did Satan get a hold of these revelations? And then you just start to get into some very dangerous, treacherous territory. Did God feed Satan some information that he would pass on to Muhammad?

20:26 And we don't want to think that. And I'm not saying that everybody like don't panic and like feed it, you know.

20:31 Well, you have to consider, I mean, Satan, he was an angel, right? In all of his glory, he was with God.

20:38 In the creation. I mean, he was with him.

20:40 So, I mean, he had some knowledge of, of God and his plan and creation.

20:46 So much more than any of us could ever possibly begin to understand in, in our, in our human brains.

20:52 Right.

20:53 But, but still that, but still that doesn't mean that he can tell the future and he would have to, he would have to know, you know, almost 1500 years ago, you know, the Quran was given to Muhammad in the, in the year, uh, 86, 10, right. Quite long, many, many centuries ago, he would have to know, uh, this guy, Ahmad al-Sharah, would be born on December 8th, 2024, that a civil war would start in Syria, that this guy's father would be named, you know, Hassan and his grandfather.

21:19 Well, talk about the power of the influence of the demonic, though. I mean, the influence that Satan has. He is the god of this world. And all he would have to do would know the timing of when God would begin to wrap up his end time story, which... Ryan, it's been, you know, historically like given through early church fathers and the information that you're presenting at the 6,000 year mark, Jesus will come and rule and reign. And so Satan, knowing that timeline will bring about his end time agent.

21:53 I mean.

21:53 But can Satan really influence history that much? I mean, this is God's story. This is happening the way that God wants and intends. God's the one who wrote this story.

22:03 So, yeah.

22:04 So Satan didn't make up this story and he's making something happen. And then there's elements. Some of these checkboxes are so outside the purview of what I think Satan's power is. Now, he's, of course, got influence in this world. He's the god of this world, like Paul said, right? But what about the double eclipse in the Ramadan preceding the emergence of the Mahdi? Right. Now, he could have calculated that particular double eclipse way back in 610 AD, AD 610. But then what about the comet that followed it?

22:37 He could not have predicted that comet. Right. He couldn't have.

22:40 No.

22:40 It was way out beyond the outer limits of our solar system then. He didn't know some random comet's going to get bumped and then get close enough to the earth to be visible. I think we've identified a few things that are in Muslim eschatology that actually do... They make predictions about the coming of the Mahdi, and they have been true. They've turned out to be true with this guy that we're watching, Ahmad al-Sharat. And they're not in the Bible. They're not in Christian or Jewish eschatology.

23:09 We have 20 so far that we're making public.

23:11 20.

23:12 Right. And again... run the numbers on it, and it is statistically impossible that this could just happen by chance. This guy, this guy, yeah. So the question is, how could Satan give these predictions, these prophecies, if he doesn't know the future? So Ron and I have talked about this. I mean, I've got a theory. I think you two were a little bit on board with it, at least. But, you know, you look in the Old Testament, and God often put it in the hearts of his enemies to do his bidding. No, no, Aaron, we're not a little bit on board. That's 100% the explanation. I mean, Sarah and I have been kicking this around. He put it in the hearts of different invaders to invade and Pharaoh to do what he did. And then he would turn

23:58 around and pass terrible judgment on them for doing what he put in their hearts to do. And you know that there's even a future example of this. Revelation chapter 17 says very plainly, it just says it just like this, that God will put into the hearts of the Antichrist coalition these nations that align to burn with fire Babylon the Great, which we think is New York City, by the way. So this isn't just like some random empire or some random group of bad guys or whatever, and God puts in their heart to do his will. It literally says the coalition of the Antichrist himself. So if the Bible clearly says that God's going to influence and provoke the Antichrist coalition to do his bidding in that regard,

24:47 then why not, you know, Muhammad, you know, back in the seventh century. Right.

24:53 Yeah.

24:53 Here, here, this is going to happen. That's going to happen. And then, and then I, I don't know, you know, and here's the thing, everybody. And this is why this is one of the many millions of reasons why I think our ministry is unique that we'll just come out and say it, you know, we don't know, you know, we're just kind of grasping at straws here, right? We're kind of like policy says, we see through a glass darkly.

25:12 This is us seeing through a glass door. None of us knows.

25:15 Right.

25:15 We can't answer. It's just we admit it. There's some hints. And what's cool about all this to me is that it just shows just how extraordinary God the Father is, that his ways are so far above our ways. And Sarah's ready to move.

25:28 Let's go. Okay. So I know.

25:30 And then there's this idea, too, that much of what we read in the Koran, I mean, it's like it's pulled from Judeo-Christian scriptures or thought, right? True. So we know that Satan is a master counterfeiter, a little bit of truth mixed in with a whole lot of error. And his tactic is to twist and invert God's word in order to lead many astray. And so this end time agent known as the Mahdi, we know as the Antichrist, will be the Muslim.

25:59 Savior of the world.

26:01 He will lead a time of peace and justice, and he will eliminate Christianity and Judaism. So we know these things are part of the Mahdi's role in the end times.

26:16 So first of all, we have Muslim friends. I've got a very good Muslim friend in London right now who is mortified by the violence being perpetrated by his own community. There's a lot of Muslims in his own community out saying, we want to hurt people, we want to take over. And he's mortified. He wants nothing to do with that.

26:34 He never did. I've known him since 1988. He was always this way. We have friends in Northern California who I think would not be behind all the extremism. So there are many extremists within Islam. That spirit is going to grow, but it's not ever going to be all of them. There's still going to be a huge number of Muslims who want peace, who aren't big fans of the violence within their own religion. My friend used to say, no, those verses, those, I think they're called ayats in the Quran, the verses that talk about killing Jews and Muslims, I'm sorry, Jews and Christians, wherever you find them, you know, look under every rock. He says those were only for Muhammad's day before the Ummah was established because they were so vulnerable.

27:20 They're not for us now, he insisted. But anyway, so my rhetorical question is this, the kind of Muslims that we would say are the bad ones, right? The extremists, they want violence. They want the absolute destruction of Israel. Pastor Ryan knows a ton of Muslims in Israel who don't want the destruction of Israel. They love the Jews.

27:42 They love Israel, yeah. They love the government of Israel. They love the lifestyle they have there. Many Muslims around the world, yeah, love Israel. Many Muslims around the world love Israel and support it. Support the Jews. I'm guessing that a lot of our audience has no clue about that reality. It's an absolute reality. And it's important that they know, especially with the stuff that we're teaching, we've got to make sure our audience understands this is not all Mesopotamia. If the extremist Muslims are going to be cheering on a figure like the Mahdi and the Second Coming of Esau going in and decimating the Jews and the Christians, right, are there any other people groups in the world who would be cheering that on who aren't Muslim?

28:16 There are.

28:16 Of course.

28:17 We're calling it the Red-Green Alliance, the Red-Green Alliance. So there's a whole bunch of people who aren't Muslim. Maybe they're atheists. Maybe they're, you know, a lot of Europeans, Americans, et cetera, who would cheer on And look at the Mahdi as a hero and a kind of, you know, world savior for bringing world peace by killing the Jews and the Christians.

28:35 Well, look at the setup right now, too. I mean, everybody is against Israel. Israel is committing genocide. The whole, I mean, the United Nations. I mean, everybody is like so critical of Israel right now. And you can see this setup beginning.

28:49 And Aaron, I don't think it's when he starts killing Christians and Jews that the whole world is going to say, oh, yay.

28:55 No.

28:55 But it is. No, but what I was going to say though, no, it's close. What I was going to say is it's something that immediately precedes that, which is Palestinian statehood. Because that's the ultimate humanitarian maneuver. We establish Palestinian statehood.

29:09 Okay.

29:09 So we're talking about Ahmad al-Sharah. He is the current president of Syria. And we are presenting 20 specific prophecies concerning the Muslim Mahdi that he has fulfilled. So we're testing it against what Islam says about this figure, and it's pretty compelling. So we're on number 18, and it's the Mahdi will emerge from the Kaaba.

29:36 Okay, so first of all, Sarah, what is the Kaaba?

29:39 So the Kaaba.

29:40 is the.

29:41 Holiest site in Islam.

29:44 And so I know one of the requirements, if you're financially able and physically able, is to go to the Kaaba and make a pilgrimage there. So it's the holiest site in Islam. And it's believed that Abraham... And Ishmael helped build part of it together.

30:02 Or rebuild it or something. Or not build the original one. You're right. Build the original one.

30:06 You're right.

30:07 And then there's like the station of Abraham. That's also like, you know, on the premises there.

30:14 Yeah. And Kaaba. So if anybody wants to look this up, you know, right now or later, it's spelled K-A-A-B-A. And it's the weird, you know, big black cube in the middle of the big mosque in Mecca, right? So this is the holiest site in Islam right now. Later on, the Mahdi will move the capital of Islam to Jerusalem.

30:31 That's in the future. But this, I kind of like to say that the Kaaba is almost akin to like the Holy of Holies in the temple in Jerusalem in the sense that, you know, the inside space of this black cube is extremely holy. This is where you're going to get the most profound, you know, spiritual encounter with Allah.

30:53 This prophecy is that the Mahdi will emerge from this black cube. Now, It's definitely not saying, especially when you compare it to all the other prophecies about the origins of the Mahdi, that one day everybody will be there doing the Hajj. That's the circumambulation that the masses do around the Kaaba. And I think there's like two million Muslims who are traveling to Mecca this year to perform this rite. It doesn't mean that one day suddenly the door will open and this guy will step out. Oh my gosh, this must be the Mahdi. It's actually that he goes into it. Something spiritual happens while he's in there, this normal man. And then when he steps out, now, boom, I'm the Makti. So is there anything analogous? Because that

31:37 must seem like a strange concept. So he'll emerge, he'll become the Makti in the Kaaba, right? Is there anything analogous in Christianity, though? Because this sounds weird, this whole concept. Isn't he the Makti when he's born? And go ahead, Sarah, what do you think?

31:53 Well, I know because I read your book and I know what you say, but it's really on point. So it's the moment that Jesus was revealed as Messiah, the Mount of Transfiguration, when God, so Moses and Elijah were there next to him, right? And God says, this is my son in whom I'm well pleased. Listen to him, right?

32:17 So very, very much like You know, his baptism, his baptism when the Holy Spirit descended as a dove. And he said, this is my son in whom I'm well pleased. But then you have this add-on at the Mount of Transfiguration. It says, he says, listen to him.

32:36 Right.

32:36 So, and you know, you said a moment ago, and I'm going to correct you.

32:40 Okay.

32:40 Which I do not hesitate to do with Sarah because she corrects me all the time and everything. So I got to, I'm trying to like even the score. I'm not even close. So, yeah. So you said that it's when Jesus is revealed as the Messiah, the Mashiach, which makes it sound like what I think most people's perception is, which is Jesus was the Messiah from before the beginning of the universe. When Jesus was born in Bethlehem, he was already the Messiah, right? And so the Mount of Transfiguration event, if it was anything, it was just, okay, now it's being announced, right? And what I'm going to say is that, and this is going to sound strange to everybody, I think it's correct, is that That was actually the moment when Jesus became the Messiah, was on

33:18 the Mount of Transfiguration, that before that he was certainly the Word, he was the Son of God, he was in essence God in the flesh, he was eternal, but he was not yet officially the Messiah, the Moshiach, until that moment when he was actually inaugurated into that position, right? And here's why I say that. This isn't just conjecture on my part. I try to avoid that, actually. I'm actually referring to the 70 weeks prophecy in the book of Daniel. So the 70 weeks prophecy, I mean, we could do, you know, half a dozen shows, you know, just on that. So amazing. But long story short, it's 70 weeks of years. Okay, so week we think of as seven days. A week in this prophecy is a period of seven years. It doesn't use the word week.

34:03 It uses the word Shavuot, you know, sevens. Okay. So go ahead.

34:09 Is it Shavuot or Shavua?

34:12 Shavua is seven and Shavuot is sevens, you know, plural. It's also named the Hebrew holiday, different topic. But that's where you've heard that word. So the 70 weeks prophecy is a period of 490 years that incidentally are non-contiguous, meaning that year number 483 concluded 2,000 years ago. I'm going to get to that in a second. And then we're waiting for the final week of years, that last seven-year period that we know as the Great Tribulation, right?

34:41 So you can all look to, you know, see if I'm aiming right here, these final days, part one, and I do a deep dive on this topic in part one. So if you want to go to Amazon, you can get part one, get part two, get part three, at least get part three, right? So the clock started ticking on the 70 weeks prophecy on the first day of the Hebrew month of Nisan in the Gregorian year 445 B.C., when King Artaxerxes I issued a decree that allowed Nehemiah, there's a whole book about this in the Bible, to go back and rebuild the street, the Tyropian Valley street, and the wall around the city of Jerusalem. And then the prophecy says, this is Gabriel delivering this prophecy to Daniel, that now count exactly, okay, because these are what's called

35:26 prophetic weeks. I could prove that scripturally. I'm not going to take the time right now. A year in this context is equal to 360 days. Okay, we'll have to do a whole other show on this, right? But so if you have, so if one week is 360 days times seven weeks, and then you have 69 weeks, that's, I have this one number memorized. There's not much room left in my brain, but 173,880 days forward from that decree to Nehemiah for Nehemiah, it lands you on, and I spent a long time calculating this to make sure I got it right. And it didn't make sense to me at first, right? on the 25th day of the Hebrew month of Adar bait in the Gregorian year, A.D. 31.

36:09 So very long story short, what it turns out is that that is an excellent, a very strong date for what we call the Mount of Transfiguration event, the Mount of Transfiguration. And it was precisely two weeks later that Jesus walked into Jerusalem on the day that we call Palm Sunday, the 10th day of the Hebrew month of Nisan, right?

36:32 So two weeks before he went to Jerusalem to be crucified is when he had this amazing supernatural encounter with literally the Old Testament prophets Elijah and Moses who had come down from heaven in the flesh. That's a whole other topic, right? We know Elijah went up. There's another argument about Moses. And they met with Jesus. And, you know, Peter, James, and John, Jesus in her circle, they're standing up. I've been up there, by the way. It's beautiful up there, Mount Tabor in northern Israel. And, you know, green trees and you're looking down over the plains of Megiddo, right?

37:03 Like where the War of Armageddon will be waged, the Valley of Jezreel. And, you know, Peter, James, and John, they fall asleep. They get knocked out. Never heard the conversation. We learn later that at least part of it was about Jesus' impending crucifixion. We know that. I think they were also talking about the far future. you know, because they're looking down again where the War of Armageddon would be staged. So when Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and the dove came down, or what looked like a dove, and then there was a voice from heaven said, this is my beloved son in who I am well pleased.

37:36 God spoke out of the clouds, right? Three and a half years later, a man of transfiguration, the same words were spoken by God from heaven. This is my beloved son in who I am well pleased. Hear him, okay? So I'm saying this is the moment when Jesus officially became the Messiah. Here's the real evidence. This is a trip.

37:55 The way it's described in the 70 weeks prophecy, Daniel chapter 9, verses 24 through 27, is it will be 62 and 7 weeks, so 69 weeks from the time that the decree goes forth until Messiah the Prince. Now think about that. Until Messiah the Prince, that makes it sound like Messiah the Prince is an event.

38:18 Right?

38:19 Not like, you know, doesn't it? Because until this day, Nisan 1, 445 BC, until Messiah the Prince, it's a specific moment, it's an event. And that's when Jesus, again, is inaugurated by God. Now, the reason this is useful for us is back to this prophecy about the Mahdi. The Mahdi, who is in many, many ways a counterfeit Christ, right?

38:45 He's got a similar moment. There's a moment when the Makti officially becomes the Makti. It's not when Ahmad al-Sharah was born. On what date?

38:54 Anyone as big of a geek as me?

38:59 October 81? I don't remember. October 29th, 1982. So close. Sarah, you're like almost as geeky as me. Keep working on that, right? But that's not when he was the Makti. And he wasn't the Makti when he showed up in Damascus on December 8th, 2024. If he's who we think he is, everybody, this is all like we're just saying, this is what it looks like to us, that he would not become the Mahdi until he emerged from the Kaaba. Now, did this event actually happen?

39:28 I mean.

39:30 We're saying this is one of our checkboxes, so that kind of gives it away. But can someone tell me this moment for Ahmad al-Sharan? Did he have this moment, this moment of emerging from the Kaaba, this black cube in Saudi Arabia?

39:43 Yes.

39:44 This is our guy. This is Ahmad al-Sharan. This isn't him at the Kaaba. But he's close to it. He's actually at the mosque. Masid, what's it called, Aaron? I don't remember. The mosque in Mecca. I know, I had it memorized and it slipped. So this is him and his wife Latifa was also there. This was her first public appearance ever. She shows up in public here at the mosque and they do kind of like a trimmed down, modified, compact version of the Hajj. So they're there for an hour or two or whatever. And then they're invited into the Kaaba. Now let me say something. and Aaron probably knows this, and Sarah, you know, she's read the book and heard me talk about this. It's an extremely, very unusual event, extremely rare. This is the highest possible honor

40:26 in Islam, and it's typically reserved only for the highest of dignitaries and Muslim scholars. Who's this guy? He was second in command in Al-Qaeda. He was one of the founding members of ISIS. He's just some random jihadist who happened to you know, overthrow the Syrian government. Not that that's a small thing, right? And it was less than two months later, less than two months on February 3rd, February 2nd, that he flew into Riyadh to meet with the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman. So Aaron, why is that? Like that was his first international trip.

41:03 It's kind of weird. Why is it weird? Well, it's a little weird. So in the 1920s, a movement started in, I think, I think in Arabia, it could have been, I think it was in Arabia. It was called the Wahhabis and they were Saudi Arabia for sure.

41:19 Kind of an extreme.

41:20 Yeah. The Salafis were Persian maybe, but anyway, so the Wahhabis were, you know, kind of an extremist branch of Islam and they were really formed it as a response, an ideological response to Western colonialism. So the 1920s, they saw, you know, European countries making inroads into Arabia. Well, that's the holiest ground in Islam. Well, that in Jerusalem, right?

41:46 So they were very, very upset about this and they thought we want to stop cooperating with the colonialists. So they became very extremist and they didn't like the royal family, the Saudi royal family. In fact, that was the main reason that they said that that's why they were establishing themselves.

42:02 The main reason was to overthrow the Saudi royal family And all through the history of the Wahhabis, that has been their number one goal, not to destroy Israel, but to overthrow the Saudi royal family. And again, the Wahhabis formed in 1920. That was 27 years before the foundation of the modern state of Israel. So fast forward to 1988.

42:25 There's a guy named Osama bin Laden holed up in an upper room, two doors down from the U.S. consulate in Peshawar, Pakistan. And he has a group of old hobbies with him between 100 and 200. Are you going to mention you were a block down the street at that time? Well, I was probably three blocks away in a different direction. But anyway, so he had been, I think, for a year or two, he'd been based in Peshawar, but going in and out of Afghanistan to fight the Soviets with his 100 to 200 Arab fighters. They called themselves Arab Afghans. They hated the Afghans. The Afghans hated them at the time. Um, the Taliban later defended them and that's why that was our, our pretext for invading Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban. Hey, you're, you're, um, you're

43:09 protecting the, uh, the Wahhabis. But until that moment, the Afghans and Wahhabis hated each other. The Arabs hated the Afghans and vice versa. And I have a whole story about that. I had, I had lunch with them once. It was a rather forceful, um, invitation. But anyway, so, so, uh, in, in summer, I think it was July of 1988, um, Osama bin Laden renamed his small group of fighters Al Qaeda.

43:35 And again, their origin, their heritage, the whole heart of where they came from, the number one goal wasn't the overthrow of Israel. It was the overthrow of the Saudi royal family. Say that again. Al Qaeda's number one goal. The number one goal of Al Qaeda was not the destruction of Israel. That is a misconception. Their number one goal that they were founded on 27 years before Israel was reinstated as a nation, was the overthrow of the Saudi royal family. So absolute mortal enemies are anyone in Al-Qaeda and anyone in the Saudi royal family. And here's a picture of the main prince, I don't know what you call him, the chief prince of the Saudi royal family, two months after this Al-Qaeda guy named Ahmad al-Sharah took

44:25 over in Syria, inviting him to enter the Kaaba. Makes no sense. Makes no sense at all. Now, let me say this. So again, like Aaron said, and listen, again, I'll say it again. Ahmad al-Sharah was not just like a random foot soldier in al-Qaeda. Maybe that could be overlooked. I don't know. He ended up being second in command in al-Qaeda in Iraq, serving under al-Zarqawi. And then he made friends with a guy named al-Baghdadi in prison and was one of the founding members of ISIS, which was a spinoff of al-Qaeda, which means that ISIS, one of their main reasons for existing, is to eliminate not the Saudi government, not to take over, but specifically the royal family.

45:05 The royal family. That's the crown prince and his family. So true enough that al-Sharah ended up breaking allegiance with ISIS, then three years later broke allegiance with al-Qaeda, turned over a new leaf. But is that enough for the crown prince Mohammed bin Salman to go on? Then it's like, okay, now we're best friends. It doesn't make sense. And again, he was the first one to invite him. overseas, and it was February 2nd, 2025, less than two months after he showed up in Damascus, Ahmad Hashirah, that he flew into Riyadh. And that's one thing, you know, the meeting of heads of state. And, you know, I did write this in my book because, you know, we're always looking for, we want to stay as sane and grounded as we can, right?

45:45 You know, true enough, you know, Saudi Arabia's main rival in the Middle East is not Israel, it's Iran. And here's this guy who did happen to at least overthrow Iran in Saudi Arabia, completely decimate the Iranian axis of resistance. This was a big win for Saudi Arabia. Maybe just on that basis, okay, he's going to invite him to the palace in Riyadh and we're going to have lunch and we're going to talk about stuff. But the next day, February 3rd, to invite him into the Kaaba, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. That's an honor with highly religious overtones, if I'm not mistaken. You're not mistaken.

46:22 Of course, it's the holy of holies of Islam. Highly religious overtones, right. It's not political. It's not anything except that. Yeah, so Al-Qaeda guy, Ahmad al-Sharah. Al-Qaeda guy, in fact, the second in command, like Ryan said, of Al-Qaeda. Number one goal of Al-Qaeda all along, going back to the Wahhabi roots of 1920, overthrow the royal Saudi family.

46:42 Why?

46:42 Because they see them as infidels. All along, they said these guys are infidels. They have no business being the rulers over Mecca and Medina. We need to overthrow them because they're infidels, right? So two months after al-Sharah rises to power, he's still kind of al-Qaeda, right? He rose to power on the coattails of al-Qaeda and al-Nusra. He created al-Nusra. He created al-Nusra, right. But al-Nusra, I'm sorry, al-Nusra ideologically... It's completely in the same vein as ISIS and Al-Qaeda. Of course, jihadists. So they are mortal enemies.

47:20 Two months after the guy comes to power, not only is he invited to Saudi Arabia, which, as Pastor Ryan said, would have kind of made sense, but he's invited to go into the Kaaba. Pause right there, Erin. Oh, go ahead, Sarah, please.

47:32 I was just going to say, remember, he was granted extraordinary wisdom at the age of 40. That's one of our Islamic prophecies that he fulfilled. But Ahmad al-Sharah, he had this whole campaign. It was back in 2021. So this was when he was 39 and he was running HTS and he had done interviews with Western journalists, totally revamping his image to the Western press and I'm sure to the Saudi family as well.

48:01 I mean, sure. Yeah. And I mentioned that in the book too, Sarah, right? That he had also turned over a new leaf and But this whole thing about him being granted extraordinary wisdom at the age of 40, that's one of the prophecies about the Mahdi, right? Right. And that is one of our checkboxes. We did talk about that in a previous show, right? But it was still so inexplicable to me. And then my twin brother called me up, or we're talking on the phone, and he said, I have a theory about why on earth the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman, would invite this guy and his wife, of all people, into the Kaaba.

48:36 And what did you say to me, Aaron? So Mohammed bin Salman, he knows Muslim eschatology even better than we do. So did he look at this guy and say, I don't care that his pastor is al-Qaeda. I know who he actually is. I think he's the Mahdi. It's so sensationalist. It's so off the wall. It's so speculative. And I swear, everybody, I mean, we're being sober and sane and awake here.

49:00 It makes sense. Because, you know, and I love the point you just made, Aaron, that, you know, the crown prince... really understands Muslim eschatology. I mean, Saudi Arabia is the heart of Muslim eschatology, right? Right. The Mahdi comes from Saudi Arabia. He's descended from Muhammad. They're the caretakers of Mecca and Medina, you better believe. Yeah. I mean, they're wealthy beyond the dreams of avarice. You better believe that they've got people around them who are whispering in their ear, interpreting the eschatology. And then maybe there's something else. So for the crown prince to think what we're thinking, this guy just might be the Mahdi, right? And he may be even more convinced than we are to go that

49:38 far to invite him in. And, you know, there's further evidence of this, too, because it was just three months later in May that President Trump happened to be in Riyadh for a summit. And the crown prince made sure, I'm saying, that Al-Sharah, hey, he wasn't invited to the summit, but Al-Sharah, fly down here. I want you to meet somebody.

49:55 And then the crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, kept prodding Trump, President Trump, you've got to meet this guy. And Trump's like, I don't have time. Who is this guy? I don't care about this guy.

50:04 Yeah.

50:05 Wasn't this guy an al-Qaeda guy? And then Mohammed bin Salman gets the Turkish president, Recep Erdogan, on the phone. And it's like a junior high, you know, dating thing, right? You know, hey, he said, she said, you know, what'd she say about me in gym class? And Erdogan's on the phone with Trump saying, yeah, you got to meet this guy, right? Like, how often does Saudi Arabia cooperate with Turkey on stuff? And there's this like... Oh, never.

50:28 They're just like with Iran. So I'm thinking maybe the Turkish president may very well be wondering the same thing, right? Because they know Muslim prophecy, like Aaron just said, better than any of us do or probably ever will. And they're seeing the same stuff that we're seeing.

50:45 We're in checkbox number 18. The Mahdi will emerge from the Kaaba. And so there's a prophecy where the Mahdi shall triumphantly emerge in Makkah at the Holy Kaaba. And this is the same Mahdi who shall emerge with truth, and soon he shall be sent by Allah for truth, and he will fill the entire earth with equity and justice.

51:07 Go ahead, Ryan.

51:08 Okay, so here's the actual prophecy, and this is from Saeed Sadruddin Sadr's Al-Mahdi, right? Most prominent Muslim scholar on eschatology of the 20th century. And he's just quoting from the earlier Muslim writings, the Hadiths and the Quran. The Mahdi shall triumphantly emerge in Mecca, From the holy Kaaba.

51:28 And so it sounds like, okay, well, when this guy steps out of the Kaaba, whatever happens inside. And by the way, he was in there for about 30 minutes, he and his wife. Prayer, contemplation, whatever. But then they walk out. That's the emergence, right? Oh, very good.

51:41 That's what the inside looks like. Oh, nice.

51:43 Here's another version here. If you look up above, there's like incense. There's other things in here.

51:51 Mm-hmm. But that's what it looks like on the inside. It's pretty small.

51:54 Where's the meteor?

51:55 That's on the outside. That's on the outside.

51:57 That's on the outsider, and that's in the little silver, kind of awkwardly shaped silver thing. Yeah, holding the black. The Kaaba's a trippy thing. Everybody look it up on Wikipedia and look at the meteor thing. The silver thing is shaped awkwardly because the whole structure and the meteor, too, also date back to the pagan era before Islam. Which was?

52:18 Jahiliyyah culture. polytheists, they had a panoply of gods and the Kaaba structure used to be full of idols so when you see that shape and it looks like a vulva that presumably was and it was before Islam and it was during the pagan period he just said the V word on a Christian program, oh well it's true though, look at everybody see it for yourself because the pagan idolatry going on that predated Islam included worship of the feminine, you know, it's standard stuff back in the day. Which is true around the world. It really is. Yeah, it's true around the world. So now listen, so he and his wife, you know, Al-Sharah walks out of the Kaaba, so how come everybody didn't like crowd around and say,

53:03 oh my gosh, it's the Mahdi. It's not the prophecy. It says, it continues, this is the prophecy. This is the same Mahdi who shall emerge with truth, which he does, and soon he shall be sent by Allah for the truth. So there's like a delay, like he emerges, but there's like a delay in him actually, you know, fulfilling this role as Makti. He shall fill the entire earth with equity and justice. And I want to prove this point further because I don't like when we can't, you know, I don't want people to perceive us as just like making too much out of nothing or trying to. So we know that, remember, this is. This moment is analogous to Jesus officially becoming the Messiah on the Mount of Transfiguration.

53:47 Do you guys remember what happened after Moses and Elijah, they had this meeting, they disappeared, the three disciples, Peter, James, and John, they wake up. Hey, we should build, you know, memorials here to you and, you know, to Jesus, to lighten Jesus. But you remember what Jesus said as they're coming down the mountain, Mount Tabor, they're walking down. He says, okay, this is Matthew chapter 17, verse 9. Now, as they came down from the mountain, this is Jesus, Peter, James, and John. Jesus commanded them saying, tell the vision to no one and tell the son of man has risen from the dead. So even when Jesus had his big moment, the only ones who were there and they didn't even witness it because they were asleep for the meeting. At

54:29 least they heard, you know, God's voice afterward. But, but Jesus said, listen, this, this moment when I, you know, I'm officially the Messiah, but no one's even to know about it until later. Check this out. You got, you guys ready for this? This is another Muslim prophecy about the Mahdi and the Kaaba. Allegiance will be given to the Mahdi between the Rukun and the Maqam, which are the two corners within the Kaaba. Watch this. Without a person being awakened from his sleep or a drop of blood being shed. In other words, his moment of emergence from the Kaaba, it's with zero fanfare. It's a supernatural moment that takes place, but him actually being the Mahdi doesn't become a mass revelation until later. Everybody stays asleep, right? So, um, so,

55:17 so there, there's, there's one more. Yeah, actually I want to make sure I'm not missing anything from this amazing checkbox, you know, the Kaaba, right? But there's actually a lot of other Muslim prophecies and we've done, we've done at least a couple of them so far, um, that actually relate to this one because this is, this is a big moment in the career of the Mahdi when he officially becomes the Mahdi. But, um, Do you guys remember that the Quran, the Hadith, actually spell out certain events that have to take place immediately prior, like preparing for him to become the Mahdi? Do you guys remember these?

55:52 I'll give you a hint. These are my favorite prophecies about the Mahdi. We did talk about them earlier in the show, briefly, because they're so inexplicable. They're so unpredictable. They're outside of this world. Hint, hint, hint.

56:03 Right. The astronomical signs.

56:06 Yeah, the most... amazing one by far because it's so unique.

56:12 The comet?

56:13 No, not the comet, because we see comets. I mean, comets are common. So not the comet, but it's something that the Muslim prophecies say. This sign is so profound that since the time of Adam, this has never, ever happened before. That's how rare this event is. What's the event? I think I know what it is. It's the month of Ramadan containing both the lunar and the solar eclipse.

56:35 Exactly.

56:35 That's it. And more precisely... that the lunar eclipse takes place exactly on the 15th day of Ramadan, and the solar eclipse takes place exactly on the last day, which is the 30th day of Ramadan, which is actually, by the way, astronomically impossible. But when we looked at that checkbox a couple shows ago, go back on YouTube, everybody, youtube.com forward slash thesefinaldays, or go to thesefinaldays.org, and you can click to our YouTube channel from there. A couple shows ago, we unpacked this particular day, Prophecy, one of our checkboxes, the double eclipse in Ramadan. And we explained how as the last day of Ramadan is beginning in the Holy Land, in Mecca, in Damascus, it's still the 29th day in

57:20 the Western Hemisphere. And that's when and where the solar eclipse took place on 1.40 p.m. You remember Erin, our sister Polly, she's in Texas and taking all these pictures of the eclipse and there was an overcast sky. So all we see is like clouds, right? Poor Polly. So here's the thing. That did happen. It happened in the month of... Listen, everybody AI this. I mean, we're not making this up. And you can ask AI how many times in history... And it doesn't have to go back that far. It has to go back to the year... Actually, the first Ramadan was celebrated in the year 624, if I remember correctly. 624, okay. So AI doesn't have to even...

57:57 Go to nasa.gov, go to astronomy.com. You can run a calculation. Since the first Ramadan in the year 624... That never, ever happened. It's happened one time, and that was in the year 2024, just a few months before this guy showed up in Damascus. But again, understand that was not the emergence of the Mahdi when he showed up in Damascus.

58:18 The prophecy that we've been studying today is the Mahdi emerges from the Kaaba. So again, what date did that event take place? When he and his wife went into the Kaaba, 30 minutes later emerged. That was on February 3rd. 2025. The very next Ramadan, Ramadan 2025, took place three weeks later. So just by the skin of his teeth. It's so cool.

58:45 Why wasn't it a week after Ramadan began? Because this is the prophecy. He so precisely fulfills all the prophecies. And you see what I just did there? We're not just talking about one prophecy emerges from the Mahdi, but But it's a relationship to these other prophecies and the timing has to be just right and it's inexplicable. And then like Sarah, you brought up the comet before. That's another one. There will be a comet rising. you know in the I mean there'll be a star with a long tail rising in the east right before the emergence of the Mocti and that was like one month before he showed up in Damascus two months I'm sorry we all saw it and it was it was you know most there were so many comments in the sky ninety

59:25 nine point nine percent we don't see with the naked eye This, we would presume, would be visible to the naked eye because otherwise, how is it a prophecy? How is it an omen, right? And we all saw it. Yeah, Sarah and I. It was brilliant in the sky. Yeah, what was it called again? It was called Sinchon Atlas 19 or something crazy like that. I kept an album of it.

59:47 Here's a great question.

59:49 So respectfully, why does any of this matter if you're already saved and baptized?

59:55 Oh, I think that's a rapture question. It's a good one. You know what? Save that thought. We still have time. I want to get that, but I want to make one more point.

1:00:02 Really great question.

1:00:04 Yeah. Yeah, Sarah loves these. And it's important. We have to talk about the rapture on this show because that's the core point of this entire ministry.

1:00:12 Well, I think she's talking about why are we looking at Muslim prophecy? Why does any of this matter if we're saved and baptized? But yeah, I think it does hinge on the idea that, you know, If we're saved, we're baptized, maybe you hold to a pre-tribulation rapture, but we specifically hold to a post-tribulation rapture.

1:00:30 So you're getting into it, though.

1:00:31 I said, hold that thought. Okay, so we'll hold it. We'll hold it, yes.

1:00:34 I'll send you a link.

1:00:36 Yeah, okay.

1:00:37 All right, go ahead and get back into it.

1:00:39 No, no, because you know me, Sarah. You know I want to get into that. And this is your checkbox, as a matter of fact, because there's another prophecy specifically tied to this, this Kaaba event. See what I mean, though? But it's not just... These prophecies, not only are they being fulfilled, but they don't even exist in isolation from each other. They're all connected.

1:00:59 Multiple layers upon layers.

1:01:01 Yeah. So what's the other prophecy? What's your checkbox? Sarah owns a checkbox. Aaron does too.

1:01:07 I do.

1:01:07 I discovered one.

1:01:09 So this one comes out of scripture, Daniel chapter 11. And so the God of fortresses that we talked about at the beginning of the show, He will honor a god with gold and silver and precious stones and costly gifts. And so the gold and silver, what's interesting about this, when Ahmad al-Sharah entered the Kaaba, his visit with the Saudi crown prince, the Saudi crown prince actually gave him a piece of the kiswah cloth, which is embroidered with gold and silver threads. So on the one-year anniversary of the overthrow of Assad, Ahmad al-Sharah placed this in a glass case in the Umayyad Mosque and literally like honoring a god, you know, of fortresses with gold and silver.

1:02:01 And this is in Daniel chapter 11, like Sarah said, and I completely missed it. So I've been just like underwater with all this eschatology stuff, not just Muslim, but of course also our side, right, in the Bible, Judeo-Christian. And I didn't connect those dots. And it's so Sarah. Yay for Sarah, everybody. Clap for Sarah. Aaron's the one that got the 666.

1:02:23 Aaron got a box.

1:02:24 He still wins.

1:02:25 I'm like, I need one too.

1:02:26 I want one too. Yours is cool though, Sarah, because what never even occurred to me until you said, hey, couldn't this fulfill this? is in Islam, it's actually haram. Not quite haram, but it's kind of like not a thing to bring gold and silver. You don't ordain or adorn a mosque with precious stones and gold and silver, anything of earthly value. They're supposed to be very, very humble, very humble materials, right? So how on earth could the Mahdi or the Antichrist ever honor Allah with gold and silver when that's not even a thing? This is the one way. It's the only way I could think of.

1:03:07 Anybody have any other ideas? Let us know. But it's the one way that you get a piece of the kiswah, the actual cloth that covers what is, again, like the holy of holies of Islam, the Kaaba in Mecca. And it's ordained with– I mean, it's– It's worth millions. I ask AI. We ask Al.

1:03:25 Yeah.

1:03:26 It's worth millions.

1:03:26 Millions.

1:03:27 Yeah. This isn't like, you know, like your grandma's gold-plated spoons that she used to bring out at Thanksgiving, right? This is like one piece. It's a huge piece of the cloth, too. If you look at pictures online of December 8, 2025, and Al-Sharaz there in his military uniform. I mean, it's like at least 20 feet long, I'd say.

1:03:46 So there's millions of dollars worth of gold and silver in this thing. It's the only way that you'll ever see gold and silver inside a mosque. It's beautiful. She nailed it. So you two have the two best checkboxes, but I got all the other 40. I got the other 40.

1:04:00 Okay, so here's the precious stone one.

1:04:04 What about that? Weird meteorite. Would that qualify as a precious stone? Anyway, think about it.

1:04:10 No.

1:04:10 See, she's grasping it. See, now you're just grasping it.

1:04:12 I don't know.

1:04:13 I'm like, that's a weird stone. You're being like us. That's a weird stone. You're getting greedy. You got to check box. All right, all right. Just rest on the one check. So on the outside of the Kaaba, and Aaron's correct, that this predates Islam. So this was a feature of the original pagan tradition. That's one theory. It's not certain, but that's actually what was taught to us when I was a Near Eastern Studies minor back in the 90s. Our Muslim professors were teaching that the Kaaba, that the meteorite, and then that funny-shaped silver frame around the meteorite, that those were from the Jahiliyyah pagan culture before Islam, and that Muslim and his followers took over the Kaaba. but other than removing the idols, they left

1:04:55 everything else the same. So it's, it's a black meteorite. And also I'll, I'll say this too. This is all just, you know, full disclosure that this thing has never, no one's ever been able to do like a, like a real scientific examination of this object. So, so it's the most prevailing, you know, the strongest prevailing theory is that it is a meteorite. Others have said, no, it's just, you know, a piece of volcanic stone or something. But most scholars who look at this would ever say, nah, it's a meteorite. And what's interesting is that the concept of like, and, and, and, The story in Islam, I'm going to mess this up because this isn't committed to any memory component yet, that it actually came down as

1:05:32 like an angel from heaven and hit the ground. So that would, something along those lines. So they say it came from the skies and hit the ground. That lines up with a meteorite. But yeah, so it's on the corner here. It's encased in this silver shape. And it said that Muhammad himself kissed this stone. So today, Muslims go by it. I mean, we're talking like, you know, two million this year and they kiss the stone. So if you ever go there, I don't know, take take some vitamin C before you, you know, anyways, don't kiss the stone. Don't kiss the stone.

1:06:04 Yeah.

1:06:05 And then, you know, and I got to say this, too, that that that a lot of that a lot of scholars deny that they say that's not supposed to be a vulva, like Aaron said.

1:06:13 Right.

1:06:14 So, again, full disclosure here. I don't know. It may not be you guys. I'm just saying that that's what my Muslim professors at university taught us. Right. That's what they believed. But, you know, these are, you know, westernized Muslims, you know, educated in the West, you know, had PhDs from Western universities. So I don't know. I just I'm just I'm just, you know, conveying what we were taught.

1:06:36 Right.

1:06:36 But whatever it is, that is not a precious stone, Sarah. Anyway, you got it.

1:06:40 Yeah.

1:06:40 Just a good try, though. So the lady's question about, you know, why do we even care about all this in time stuff? Look, can I start? Let me do my soapbox. I'll do it fast. Okay. God talks about the last of last days from Genesis to Revelation. The first prophecy about Jesus, the true Christ, is to the serpent in the garden, still in the Garden of Eden, Genesis chapter 3. In the same breath before God even mentions Jesus, he prophesies about the Antichrist. Every book of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation talks about the end times.

1:07:11 The Antichrist is described throughout the entire Bible. The Antichrist is the epicenter of the last sermon that Jesus ever gave before he went to the cross. The Olivet Discourse, it's about the Antichrist. He's the core of that whole sermon. God's parting written word to mankind, the last book of the Bible, the book of Revelation, the epicentral figure to the whole thing before Jesus comes back is the Antichrist.

1:07:33 Does God want us to know about the Antichrist? I mean, apparently, or there's a lot of wasted paper and ink over all these centuries. And then Irenaeus, who was the protege of Polycarp, who was the protege of John the Apostle himself, who wrote the book of Revelation, penned the book of Revelation, he says, the reason we have all these prophecies is so that we as the body of Christ will recognize the Antichrist when he comes. That is so huge. This guy learned directly from the guy who learned directly from John, who penned the book of Revelation. I take his words as credible, okay? And he says, that's why we have these prophecies. So, Why would we need to know this guy when he comes? Because we're going to be here

1:08:12 when he comes. There is no pre-tribulation rapture. There goes half our audience. This is the core point of this entire ministry for all the years we've been doing this, all the way back to 1999, is that unfortunately, I'm not going to say unfortunately. That's disrespectful to God. I repent for saying that. This is just the story that God never promised that he'd take us out of here before the seven-year great tribulation starts. We're going to be on earth throughout the entire seven-year Great Tribulation. We're not the target of God's wrath. He will supernaturally protect us from what he does during that time, just like he protected the Israelites in Goshen. They were there for all ten plagues, but God supernaturally protected them. He will protect

1:08:52 us during that time. I don't know what it's going to look like. It's going to be amazing. Daniel chapter 11 doesn't say God's people will be hiding and cowering in caves waiting for Jesus to come back. It says God's people will carry out great exploits during that time. But we're going to be and we're going to face the Antichrist. And this is terrible. You guys ready for this?

1:09:11 Just to make everybody even more mad. Every one of us talking and watching and everybody here together we will all be tempted to take the mark of the beast. I'll be tempted as much as I know better by the time it gets here after three and a half years of the craziest time this earth has ever seen. That's Matthew chapter 24, verse 22. Jesus said there, there, there's never been a time like it nor, nor ever will be. And unless those days were limited, which they are, then nobody would even survive that after three and a half years of that, every, just remember in 2020, COVID, are we allowed to say that now on TikTok? Remember when COVID happened? You remember how the whole world reacted?

1:09:52 COVID was a picnic compared to what's coming. So we'll all be tempted when the time comes. This is why we have to talk about this. There's no pre-tribulation rapture.

1:10:01 Right. And this is really the heart and the core of this ministry is because we will be here for the reign of the Antichrist. We believe that with everything. Jesus specifically says, after the tribulation of those days, then you will see the sign of the Son of Man coming. coming the clouds of heaven in glory, right? To bring judgment ultimately is what he's going to do. Paul is talking about that same exact event in 1 Thessalonians 4, 16 and 17. This is where we get that core rapture and this rapture passage. And if you look at the details, they're the same six details. So please go read that PDF in the same order. And he's talking about the same event. Jesus Tells us, and then Paul gives clarification in 2 Thessalonians, and he says, that day

1:10:49 will not happen. What? The rapture, the second coming and the rapture will not happen unless, until the great falling away happens first. And then the man of lawlessness, the son of perdition reveals himself, right? So we know him as the antichrist, which happens at the halfway mark of that final seven years. recorded in Daniel. So read that PDF, please.

1:11:13 I know she says respectfully, you know, I believe we're going to be raptured out of here. And just do not take the mark of the beast.

1:11:22 Be prepared to go through difficulty. Yeah.

1:11:26 And, you know, we're being respectful, too. I hope everybody sees that, that, you know, we're not coming against anybody or saying, you know, you guys are dumb if you believe in pre-tribulation rapture. But what I want to challenge you is, what's the lady's name, Sarah?

1:11:38 Um.

1:11:39 Princess Jeannie.

1:11:42 Princess Jeannie. Is she still here?

1:11:44 Yeah, she's still here.

1:11:45 Sure. Erin, our TikTok audience is not like that. If we disagree with or if they disagree with us, they stick around.

1:11:52 I mean, we have differing views.

1:11:53 I've got the same thing here. This is what we need. Is the toddler's guy still here? I don't know. I hope so. I believe there is a pre-trib rapture. So what I want to challenge everybody who is responding to us saying, I believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. we would like to challenge you. Why do you believe in it?

1:12:12 Tell us one verse or one passage from the entire Bible that says that the rapture will happen before the seven-year Great Tribulation. And yes, let me just reference Tim LaHaye and his books. What we'll do, though, is we'll give you a couple of verses directly from Jesus himself where he says that the rapture will happen after the seven-year Great Tribulation. There is no verse or scripture or passage anywhere in the Bible that says that the rapture will happen before. But this is from Jesus. And I want to read this. This is Matthew chapter 24, verses 29 through 31. Jesus' great end times dissertation just before he went to the cross. And this is what he says.

1:12:54 I hope everybody's listening. This is Jesus. He says, immediately after the tribulation of those days. This is right after Jesus had coined the term great tribulation. For then there will be great tribulation such as has not been. That's just a few verses before he says this. So what tribulation does he mean? He means the Great Tribulation. Well, does he mean, you know, really the Great Tribulation? He says, never a time like it, nobody would even survive. Never has been, never will be again. It's the Great Tribulation.

1:13:20 A few verses before he coins the term Great Tribulation, he says, therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place, that's when the Antichrist takes over the holy temple halfway through the seven-year Great Tribulation. So there's no getting around it. This is what Tribulation Jesus is talking about, and this is what he says.

1:13:37 The sun will be darkened, he says, immediately after the great tribulation and the reign of the Antichrist. The sun will be darkened, like if it's light, dot, dot, dot. Verse 30, then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven. What do we call that? That's the second coming. He disappeared up into heaven in Acts chapter 1. He hasn't been back since, me in the sky.

1:13:59 And then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and they will see. It's not an invisible secret event. the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. He's not coming incognito. He's coming as the king and like a warlord coming to conquer his rightful kingdom. And verse 31, And he, Jesus, will send his angels with the great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together his elect from the four winds, which is a reference to the whole earth, right? That's a salient term, like the four corners of the earth, from one end of heaven to the other, So what that's describing is that Jesus is bringing back all the souls of the righteous dead from heaven with him. And then they get resurrected before we get raptured. And then

1:14:44 the angels gather all of his elect, the people of God, from the earth. In fact, the version in Mark chapter 13 says from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven. And then, you know, we're taken up into the clouds. So Jesus, again, Matthew chapter 24 verses 29 through 31. Jesus himself. And you won't find anywhere in the Bible where somebody says, you know, then, you know, Jesus will show up and he'll gather together his elect and then there will be great tribulation. It doesn't exist. The pre-tribulation rapture, there's zero scriptural basis for it.

1:15:18 And then, yes, if you look at 1 Thessalonians 4, 16 and.

1:15:22 17, those six specific details.

1:15:26 So Jesus appearing in the heavens, his second coming, widely visible, loud. An accompaniment of angels includes mention of trumpets. This is the dead in Christ are raised, right? And then we join Jesus in the air. And then it concludes with the resurrection of the righteous dead. And then believers are gathered together.

1:15:49 And why do we care what it says in 1 Thessalonians 4, 16 and 17, Sarah? Why are you quoting that?

1:15:56 Yeah, that's the absolute quintessential rapture passage, right?

1:16:00 Why do you say that?

1:16:01 Because this is where we're caught up, harpazo, right?

1:16:07 Which is where we get the word rapture, because that was translated into the Latin in the 4th century, St. Jerome, into the Latin rapiamer, and the anglicized form of that word is rapture. So literally, Sarah's quoting 1 Thessalonians 4, 16 and 17, is where we get the word rapture, right? And so people say the rapture is not in the Bible. Yeah, it is. Caught up was harpazo, translated rapiamer, English version is rapture. It's right there. Oh, there's a rapture. Yeah, and look what Sarah just said, everybody. She just quoted, or she just described six precise details in just two little verses, and every one of those details is just bizarre. What, Jesus shows up in the sky? The dead are raised, right?

1:16:44 There's a trumpet heard around the whole, and not only do those exact same details appear in Jesus' words from Matthew 24 that I read a moment ago, but they're in the exact same order, and it's not like there's Seven details in 1 Thessalonians, and then there's six in Matthew. So it's, you know, close. The exact same number of details.

1:17:06 Every detail is very bizarre. They're in the exact same order. Anyone who says, somebody quoted Tim LaHaye in his book earlier. Tim LaHaye in Revelation Unveiled, it's back there somewhere on my bookshelf. He published it in 1999. You can blame him for my whole ministry. That's a huge exaggeration. Sorry.

1:17:22 God called me to this when I was nine years old. But I was reading that book, Tim LaHaye's book, Revelation Unveiled, in 1999. And what Tim LaHaye did in that book is he quoted 1 Thessalonians 4, 16 and 17, like Sarah just did. Then, anticipating this conversation that we're all having here, he quoted Jesus' words in Matthew 24, just two verses, 30 and 31. And what Tim LaHaye said is, clearly these are describing two different events. That's the most dishonest thing. I'm sorry. He had a PhD and it was a real PhD. Completely dishonest. I don't believe that a man who legitimately earned a real PhD, I looked it up, it was an accredited school and he did the full eight years. There's no way that a man

1:18:06 who was smart enough to earn a PhD could look at 1 Thessalonians 4, 16 and 17, our quintessential rapture passage. Everybody agrees that's a rapture. Tim LaHaye said it's a rapture. And then look at Jesus' words in Matthew 24 and 30 and 31 and say, Oh, see, they're two different events. And then he doesn't even explain why. And the very next morning, after I read those words at 2.30 in the morning on Labor Day weekend, 1999, I started writing part one of my book series because I thought this is insanely out of control. The whole body of Christ has been fooled into believing in a pre-tribulation rapture. And this is the argument, the most specious, dishonest argument ever made.

1:18:43 It still irks me, as you can all tell. And the reason Dr. Lahaye did that is because of what Jesus says in the verse immediately prior, verse 29, immediately after the tribulation of those days. So for Tim LaHaye, who made $ 800 million, we haven't made a penny off this ministry, just so you all know. We all work for a living. He made $ 800 million. That was his net worth when he died. Sarah's the one that told me.

1:19:08 I said, no, long story. when he died, he's worth $ 800 million. He made his fortune off the pre-tribulation rapture. Remember the Left Behind series? $ 800 million, right?

1:19:18 Yeah. Wow.

1:19:20 So how could he afford to tell the whole world, hey, I was wrong. Jesus himself said it's a post-tribulation rapture. I'm sorry. I mean, I'm saying terrible things about this man who's passed away now. But if he was here, he'd be saying terrible things about me. So go ahead. Didn't Kirk Cameron star in the movie? version left yes he did of left behind he did so but but kirk cameron had the integrity when he did much much deeper dives into scripture and realized for himself oh left behind is wrong there's no pre-tribulation rapture it's post-trib he came out public with it he had the integrity to come out publicly with that even though he knew that that would make people stop renting his movies he'd stop

1:20:02 getting his royalty checks do you know do you know um you guys know who jerry jenkins is Oh boy, you guys are all going to love this. I'm sure I told you guys, but it's probably been years. Jerry Jenkins. Yeah, he did ministry with Tim LaHaye. He's the one who actually wrote the Left Behind series. He was a writer, dime store novelist, not successful, but Tim LaHaye found him, liked his style of writing, dime store novel stuff. So Tim LaHaye would just give him outlines. Look it up.

1:20:26 I mean, look it up on Jerry Jenkins' own website. Jerry Jenkins talks about this to this day. Tim LaHaye would just give him outlines. This is what I want you to write about. And it was actually Jerry Jenkins that made up the whole story and did all the writing, right? Jerry Jenkins, I think he's still around, but several years ago, probably five years now, I actually reached out to him.

1:20:43 I wrote to him and I said, I said, hey, you know, I'm writing this book series. And I asked him about, I'll show you, I'll have to try it down the email. I asked him about the doctrine, the pre-tribulation rapture. And I said, I get the feeling that you're like, you know, you kind of change your mind on the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine. And he wrote back to me and he said, we went back and forth a few times. He was, you know, working out of his barn then. And he said, you know what? He said, basically, I got to go find the email. It was along the lines of, I'm not opening that can of worms.

1:21:14 I'm not sticking my neck out. Can't help you. Swear.

1:21:18 Wow.

1:21:18 So I think even Jerry Jenkins came to the reality afterwards.

1:21:23 Right. And so, you know.

1:21:24 Can't prove it, but that was my impression.

1:21:26 Yeah.

1:21:26 If you guys hold to a pre-tribulation rapture or even pre-wrath, you know, just... pray that you're filled with the Holy Spirit, that you are prepared for the times you're coming, whether, you know, we get rapture beforehand or not, like just be prepared, be filled with the Holy Spirit. And we really do, why we're teaching this is because we believe that part of the great deception is that, you know, people will be here for the reign of the Antichrist.

1:21:52 They'll totally miss it because, and they'll take the mark of the beast. They'll enter into these systems that we know scripture specifically talks about. And warns us, I mean, what are the implications if we take the mark of the beast, Pastor Ryan?

1:22:07 Yeah, in fact, in fact, thank you, Sarah. That's perfect because a gentleman commented a moment ago, Robert Bertrand says, pre-tribulation or post-tribulation rapture is redundant or it doesn't matter. Discipleship is our commission. And that's great. And, you know, my own pastor, Pastor Dan Collins, he passed away back in 2010. But he used to say he knew what I taught and he let me teach it in his church.

1:22:31 And he'd let me stand in front of people at men's conferences. But he used to say, well, I'm pan-trib. It'll all pan out in the end. And with all respect to Pastor Dan, who I love with all my heart and respect, that's not true, remotely true. It will not all pan out in the end. So Sarah quoted earlier, but 2 Thessalonians 2, verses 1 through 4, Paul very specifically says that the second coming in the rapture will not take place until first the Antichrist has risen to power.

1:23:04 Now listen, right off the bat, the reign of the Antichrist, right off the bat that eliminates the pre-tribulation rapture, because pre-tribulation rapture says that the rapture will take place at least three and a half years before the abomination of desolation. Paul says, and he calls it a deception, he says, don't be deceived. Don't let anybody deceive you by any means.

1:23:24 The second coming in rapture will not take place before the reign of the Antichrist, And here's where it gets important. So Robert Bertrand, I think, was a gentleman's name. Here's where it gets important. Paul says that in that context, the reign of the Antichrist, and this deception, he says there will be a great falling away, and the Greek word there is apostasy. So you could debate, well, isn't that just like a random thought that he just interjected, like it doesn't really have to do with the Antichrist?

1:23:53 Or maybe it does, and maybe what Paul is saying is that if any of us here together today believes in a pre-tribulation rapture, you're going to be so caught off guard when it doesn't happen and the Antichrist rises to power that just like the rest of us, you're going to be tempted to take the mark of the beast and you might just give in to it. And it's not a given. It doesn't mean that everyone who believes in a pre-tribulation rapture will take the mark of the beast because that's what apostasy means. It has no other meaning. You were born again and then you forfeited your salvation and How can one forfeit one's salvation during the reign of the Antichrist? The one way I can think of is you take the mark of the beast.

1:24:33 You can't buy or sell without it. God will understand. You know, this isn't fair. I was taught my whole life it's a pre-tribulation rapture. It's got to be a pre-trib rapture because Pastor Jack Hibbs already always says it. David Jeremiah says it. Therefore, this guy in Damascus can't be the Antichrist. Therefore, this can't be the mark of the beast. You know, surely God will understand. He'll forgive me.

1:24:53 It's all a lie. Revelation chapter 14 says in no uncertain terms, anyone who takes the mark of the beast will spend eternity in the lake of fire. So this is why, nah, it matters. Great commission. That's great. Keep doing it. Preach the gospel. I'm looking for the true Christ. You guys are looking for the antichrist. That's all wonderful.

1:25:12 But everybody, this is literally a matter of spiritual life and death, eternal life or eternal death. That's how important this is. Mary, Mary, Matthias 17. Hi, Mary. Thanks for coming back. I think she left and came back. So she said earlier, she said, why would God give all this info of the great tribulation if we're not here?

1:25:31 Amen.

1:25:31 And then she wanted us to look at Revelation 7, 14 through 17. I don't have that memorized. Oh, I can tell you exactly what that is. What is it? Revelation 7, what verses?

1:25:41 17.

1:25:43 Yes, very good. Verses 14 through 17, where just before the seven-year great tribulation begins in his life, experience that John is having. He's being shown the future, right? That he sees this huge crowd of believers arrayed in white, and they're in heaven, and they're obviously martyred in this vision.

1:26:05 And John says to the... Or the angel says to John... I'm sorry, it's one of the elders, says to John in heaven, who are these arrayed in robes, and where do they come from? And then John says back, sir, you know, like, hey, you tell me. And so the elder says... These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

1:26:29 And again, it's described being martyrs. And here's the clincher. Yeah, Mary, right? Very good catch. So these are the ones who come out of, so come out of there in the original Greek is a present active participle. It's saying these are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. Now, this is right before the tribulation starts in his vision, but it's, He's being shown there's going to be a whole bunch of martyrs during the Great Tribulation throughout the entire seven-year period.

1:26:53 Who will be coming out. Who will be coming out of it. Who will continuously be coming out of it. It's describing them as martyrs. They're killed during the Great Tribulation. But Mary, I want to show you something else, though. I want you to back up. Can't be killed in it if you're not in it. If you're not in it.

1:27:11 Back up a little bit. The beginning of the same chapter, Revelation chapter 7. It describes let me just read after these things I John saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth Holding the four winds of the earth the wind should not blow in the earth to see any tree and and so what what he sees is all these angels or these four Rangers holding back the natural phenomena that God is getting ready to unleash Catastrophically upon the earth, which is the beginning of the seven-year Great Tribulation And then John says then I saw another angel sending from the east having the seal the Living God a seal like you know stamp right and he cried out to the four angels and to which it was granted to harm the earth and the

1:27:47 sea saying, do not harm the earth, the sea or the trees until we have first sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads. And then he goes around and seals all of us. You know, the mark of the beast, that's a counterfeit. We get a mark too before the seven year great tribulation even starts. And it supernaturally protects us from everything that God sends upon the earth. So, you know, and there's another question, why would we need to get sealed on our foreheads for protection against what God's sending upon the earth to harm the earth and the sea if we're going to be in heaven during this time. All of it is, all these questions, all these points are great, but ultimately they're academic because we

1:28:26 have Jesus' very own words in plain English immediately after the seven-year great tribulation and the reign of the Antichrist. Then I'm going to show up, and then you're going to get raptured. I mean, everything else is just supporting... Go ahead. Oh, about us being sealed on the forehead to... anyone remember the story about the Hebrews in Egypt before the plagues when they painted the lambs blood over their doorway their door jams so that the angel of death would pass over them so us being sealed before the great tribulation it's exactly like that we're sealed with the blood of the lamb excellent Right. Perfectly analogous to that. Yeah.

1:29:00 Just like in the Passover. Right. Yep. Yeah. Perfectly analogous to that. Excellent.

1:29:05 I heard one comment said, I'm so glad I found you guys. Thank you so much. Doing good work.

1:29:12 Spot on. Thank you for your comments. Really encouraging.

1:29:16 And again, yeah, check out that booklet. So it's the truth about the rapture PDF. It's a free download you can get. And so check it out and read that. And then, yeah. Okay.

1:29:29 Did you have something over there, Pastor Ryan?

1:29:31 Yeah. You're going to be mad because the one you just read is so heartwarming.

1:29:36 And you like to pick out the ones that aren't heartwarming.

1:29:41 Yeah. Strummer, 1959. You portray yourself as an expert. You are not. Bro, I'm not portraying myself as anything, right? Are we portraying ourselves as anything?

1:29:49 I sure hope not.

1:29:49 We're just digging into scripture.

1:29:50 I just want to know God's word. I want to know his truth. I don't want to be deceived. I want to be filled with his Holy Spirit. And the part, the role of the Holy Spirit is to lead us in all truth. So if there's one thing that you guys need to take away from is be filled with the Holy Spirit, say, Lord, fill me to overflow. John the Baptist declared that he will fill you with the Holy Spirit and fire. So there is an all consuming fire.

1:30:17 This is how we are sealed and ready for the days that are coming. And so we're here not to try to know it all. We're presenting information. We're presenting God's word.

1:30:26 We're doing what God says to do. We're digging into scripture. Iron sharpens iron. We're reading our Bible just like you're reading your Bible. It's the same Bible. Yeah. And Strummer 1959, you were misunderstanding the Bible. Quit misusing scripture. And you know, Strummer, you're not pushing back with any actual verses or passages or saying what it is that you're, Objecting to we're ending the show now. So I guess you can't you know, I don't like this kind of guy He just goes he's he's talking over. I'm sorry guys. I'm getting all fleshly, but you were spreading lies Strummer use your words Cuz cuz you know if you do know and you're you know, like we don't know tell us what it is that we're misinterpreting as you know What the actual verses and

1:31:10 scriptures are yeah Just sitting there calling it liar liar pants on fire Be more specific, my friend.

1:31:16 Maybe it's the timing of the rapture, but you have to look at all of these scriptures together in context, and you really have to put.

1:31:24 It together, and it's not confusing.

1:31:27 Sorry, Strummer, I take it back. You're actually our new best friend. He says, there is no rapture. Read up on John Nelson Darby. So, Strummer, we might be on the same page, even though you got mad at me and I got mad at you. Because, listen, so I think what you're referring to, Strummer, is the pre-tribulation rapture, and we're 100% in agreement. So the rapture is a biblical concept. Again, it's 1 Thessalonians 4, verse 17. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up.

1:31:56 The phrase caught up there, which is in the Bible, right, Strummer? In the original Greek, it was harpazo. St. Jerome in the 4th century translated it in the Latin Vulgate as rapiamer. And the Anglicized or English language version or, you know, of rapier form of rapier is rapture. So the rapture is in the Bible, but, but John Nelson Darby, dude, I totally agree. John Nelson Darby invented the pre-tribulation rapture deception out of whole cloth in 1829. It is a complete deception. It's proof that we're, it's further proof we're in the end times that this doctrine was created and then became popular in the 1970s. And now it's like, you know, rampant, right? So, Strummer, we might be more on the same page than you're assuming. And I take

1:32:41 back the terrible things I said about you. I guess I didn't really. I just said, show us some scriptures. But, you know, Strummer, you got to lead with the fruits of the spirit, though, man. Come in with kindness, gentleness, and... you know, patience, and then people will engage with you and talk to you, which is all we want to do, whether we agree or disagree.

1:32:59 Come let us reason together, right?

1:33:01 Instead of just making me mad.

1:33:02 It has to be like you have to accept it. It has to be, you know, a way that can be received.

1:33:08 Because, Tremor, I assume you believe that Jesus is coming back and he's going to gather us all together. That's what we mean by rapture. And it happens, like Jesus himself said, immediately after the seven-year great tribulation, the reign of the Antichrist. So, you know, you may have misunderstood and thought that we were doing.

1:33:23 And read Isaiah 13. This is what Jesus is going to do, what he's going to accomplish. It sounds very much like Matthew 24.

1:33:31 Everybody, don't forget, just publish this on July 1st. Go to amazon.com, look up These Final Days by Ryan Speakman, or just go to our website, thesefinaldays.org, and you can find the books there.

1:33:46 And....

1:33:48 This book in my series part three is really all about the world system, the context in which the Antichrist will rise to power, his origins, his identity. And then right as I was wrapping up this book, oh, I get into the 10 Lost Tribes quite a bit because that's related. Right as I was just about ready to wrap up this book, this gentleman showed up in Damascus that we've been talking about, current Syrian president Ahmad al-Sharah.

1:34:11 And I talk quite a bit about him and go over all the check boxes in the, in the conclusion of the book. It's about the last, you know, 110 pages. So one person did ask what time on Sunday. So it'll be next weekend for sure. 3 30 PM Pacific time. That's California time, 3 30 PM on Sunday.

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1:34:53 Guys shared also. Very cool. Okay. So I wanted to read this scripture. It's out of Jude.

1:34:59 So it's verses 17 through 23. It says, but you beloved, remember the words which were spoken before the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. and how they told you that there would be mockers in the last days who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts. These are sensual persons causing division, not having the Spirit. But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, and keeping yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. and on some having compassion, making a distinction, but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire and hating even the garment defiled by flesh. And so as we consider the last of the last days,

1:35:52 we are the generation. There is no doubt in our hearts. We're seeing fulfillment of these things happening, and we're presenting it to you. We just encourage you, pray, be filled with the Holy Spirit, seek Jesus with all your heart, You know, if there's anything that is, you know, between you and God, whether it's, you know, sin or attitude or whatever it is, like just pray for him to fill you to overflow with the spirit. That is our one and only defense and offense for the things that are coming upon the world.

1:36:26 So we just want to pray for you.

1:36:28 And Lord, we thank you so much that you have gone to great lengths to give us your word. to illuminate truth to us. And beyond that, God, you dealt with our heart issue by giving us a new heart and putting a new spirit within us. And Lord, I pray for everybody watching right now. I ask God that you would just touch them in a powerful way, Lord, that you would fill them and that you would keep them from the things that are coming, Lord. I just thank you so much, God, that you love us so much.

1:37:03 And you want us to be prepared. And so, God, may we take your words to heart. May we live by it. May we build our life upon the solid rock, the foundation that is Jesus Christ. And may we hear your voice and may we listen to you, Jesus. May we follow your instructions and be the kind of people that we should be, Lord, full of your spirit with love, joy, peace, gentleness, patience, self-control. Lord, help us to live in a way that honors you.

1:37:33 And we thank you for doing it. In Jesus' mighty name, amen. Amen.

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