Willson Contreras & Wilyer Abreu on Handling the Pressure of October Baseball

0:00 So last year having sent it with EIP, so is there anything that stayed with you from that experience that you bring into this October?

0:07 I'm telling you, it's another different lead in um recognizing what game you had to play is is gonna be huge.

0:13 This year we're more prepared. We're a complete team that's our advantage.

0:19 We knew that we can win against anybody. It was just magical, you know, it's 15 game win streak. Was there anything, any moment that you can think about that kind of changed that trajectory?

0:30 That was amazing turnaround because anybody was believing in us, the magic can we won seven in a row and we didn't even think about it. That's our advantage as of right now.

0:47 Welcome. Thank you. And will your Abreyu? I want to make sure I pronounce that right. Welcome to the podcast.

0:54 Yeah, thank you.

0:55 This is fun. October is upon us. How are you feeling?

1:00 No, I mean, I feel really, really good and very excited for this this year and this uh playoff. Uh this is a really good experience, you know. So I'm very excited. This is my second one, so I'm very, you know, motivated for what's gonna bring it uh the playoff for us this year. So hopefully it's gonna be a really good postseason, and you know, hopefully we can win.

1:29 Yeah, I love that. Yeah, what's your energy?

1:33 I'm glad to be here. Thank you for the opportunity, and also glad to be in Boston. I think um everything worked out for the best.

1:39 We are glad to have you, just to be really clear.

1:42 And I'm really excited to be in the playoffs with this team. Yeah. I mean, that's that was the reason I came here. I knew that um from day one we had the talent. Yeah, I never doubt about it. Have my guy only missai. So you guys are buddies, eh?

1:55 Yes, yeah, and uh both from Venezuela. Yes.

1:58 Well, from Venezuela, we stick together from day one in spring training, learning from each other, and I'm proud to be his teammates.

2:05 So, Wilson, you've had an epic career. You've won a world championship with the Cubs, which was I think it broke like a 108-year drought or something insane, right? Yes. What was it like winning uh a world championship? And and and what do you I suppose what do you what did you take from that experience that you can bring to the Red Sox?

2:29 That was a blessed year. Um got caught up in June, and then uh five months later I was winning the World Champ with uh with the Cups.

2:37 It's 2016, right?

2:38 2016. It was a huge year, blessed year, and also um a fantastic year for me and my family. So um I was I'm thankful we got because I've I've lived everything in baseball as so far. And what I learned from then till now is just that we need to be as a family. The team needs to be the family. We need to make feel everybody part of the part of the team because um it can happen that you might be on the team, but you won't feel part of it.

3:08 So that was my my kind of my theory this year, just make everybody feel part of part of the team, even though if you just call up guy, I mean I'm gonna come and embrace you the best way I can. And that's what good teams do. Like they um good chemistry, good family, and that's why we win baseball. I mean you win the game in the locker room first.

3:30 And you know, I I feel like it's easy to say that, right? It's easy to kind of say, oh, we're a family, you know, we're thinking about culture and all of that. But to actually make that happen, um it takes time. It takes time, it's a challenge.

3:43 It takes time, especially. I mean, I just got trade here, right? I just got I just got trade in December. And uh in February, I was trying to meet everybody, like to get to know everybody. And of course, um, if you play against me, you're gonna have a different perspective. So I was making sure that everybody knew that I'm a good guy.

4:04 I'm a good guy. I'm a teammate, I'm a good teammate, I care about my teammates. That is not what I show on the field, right? So it it took time to for us to create the family to create that keeping. But it's normal in every team. You some things takes time.

4:20 Yeah. So you started the season kind of slow. It was, I think you're two and eight, you had a managerial change. What what's what was your perspective, Williar, you know, kind of early in the season when you know everyone's doubting the socks, you know, what was the energy inside the clubhouse? How did how did you think about your role?

4:38 The beginning of the season was tough for us, you know. Uh we're been we were losing a lot of games, we wasn't playing that good. Uh, but we all know, we all knew that we had a good team, that we believe in us, we trust each other. I mean, at the start at the beginning of the season, we got a lot of time, you know, to figure out all what is going on, what in what part of the game we can be better, uh, what is working, what is not working.

5:10 So we got a lot of time to uh figure it out. And I think uh we did a really good job doing that. You know, we we had the chance to figure it out, know was what we was mistaking, yeah, and how we can you know fix it. So I think a good part of this thing is you know, we believe in us, we trust each other.

5:38 So if we couldn't do the job, we know we got a guy behind us that that can do it, you know. So if I can do it, I know I trust Wilson that he can do it. So that's the you know, the big part, the the the good thing about this this team that we trust each other. And I know that if I can do it, I know Wilson can do it, uh Trevor can do it, Rafaela can do it, everybody can do it.

6:10 So I think that was the the key for us, you know, trust each other. Like if I couldn't, if I I couldn't do the the job, I know the the guy behind me can do it. So that was you know big thing for us to you know start to winning as a as a group, yeah, and not only like in individual like uh wouldn't wanna do like I wanna do my job, I wanna do do I wanna do good you me and don't care about anything else.

6:45 So we care about the team, we care about you know all all the teammates and try to win the game as a unit, you know, as a team and not only like individual.

6:56 You can feel when as a as a as a fan, you know, when I watch you play, you can just feel the team first energy. It's really powerful.

7:07 Yeah, I mean um the energy was there from day one. The result wasn't there, which is that was the difficult part. Of course, dealing with the chance of sell the team is is hard because you're playing to win, you're not playing to lose. Nobody plays to lose.

7:21 No, of course not.

7:21 And what thinking about when you're gonna be able to do that once you're you're on the field and they start chanting sell the team, it's like you have to take that personal. Like you have to. You are you're part of the team, like winning team, you have to find a way to to win games. And uh, of course, we went through my uh manager change in in April.

7:40 It's like not that I didn't have time, I wasn't gonna talk about it like on there because I know that when they make change, you have to show up the next day, keep doing your job.

7:50 Exactly.

7:51 Yeah, and that's how I took it. It's like, okay, I was I came here when Alex Cora was here, and I was super pumped to play with him. Yeah. Now that we are like three weeks in the season, he's not here, what should I do? And then I was like, okay, show up the next day and keep doing your job because at the end of the day we're employees and yeah, we're a team, and we have to do our job as a team, and and for the for the fans and for the city.

8:16 How did your experience and leadership help Chad in that transition? There's there's Chad, of course, the new Yeah, yeah, yeah.

8:23 There's difference between those two. Alex Cora brings experience, brings pressure because just only by his presence. That's what I mean earlier this year. Yeah. When I said, yeah, it seems like a guy was having pressure, just but only by his Alex Cora's presence, which is normal. He's a winning manager.

8:42 Of course, yeah. And if I was a younger guy, I was like, I wanna play for that guy. I wanna pick his brain, I wanna do, I wanna ask. Yeah things happen. Chad came in more late, like uh easy-going guy. He's like, he won't talk much, but he'll give messages to the team. And that's when I feel like the player was like, they got a little bit like loose.

9:05 When I mean loose is that they could they could be their self because they could they could be themselves with with Alex, but they decide not to. But then the team will start playing better. Everybody came up together in mid-no, like end of June, yeah, which was kind of late, but we had a great run, which allowed us to come back to to playoffs.

9:26 You mentioned it, Boston being a tough place to play. And as a you know, uh a girl who's grown up in New England, I understand um how difficult us Boston fans can be. It's kind of a a blessing and a curse in some ways. But how do you how do you think about Boston? Because obviously we we love our teams, you know, and it comes from a good place when we do insane things.

9:50 It's uh I I love Boston. Yeah. I love Boston, I love my teammates, I love the team, I love the city and the fans, of course. But it's a hard place to play. Yeah.

10:00 There's a lot of pressure.

10:01 Yeah, there's a lot of pressure, but um, you have to find a way to put your mindset in a different spot, right? Because you're not if you start playing with the pressure of the of the fans, you won't, I feel like you won't develop yourself in Boston. Right? Of course. You have to have personality, you have to know how to ignore some some some fans that are different.

10:22 But at the same time, I mean, fans here expect you to play, you expect you to play at your game one, like you, yeah, your A game every from day one until the last day. And I noticed that when uh I was hurt on my leg, and nobody knew. I mean, only the manager, and I didn't run to first base, and I got boo.

10:41 I was like, wow. Which is, I mean, I liked it because uh they're involved in the game. Yeah. And they're part of the game and they would play for them. So they're allowed to boom me as much as they want. I love that mindset. That's great.

10:54 So let's talk about June. You guys had this insane turnaround. And, you know, again, just from someone from the outside looking in, I mean, it was just magical. You know, it was 15 game win streak, you know, uh with you know, unprecedented, right? Um, talk a little bit about you know, was there anything like uh any moment that you can think about that kind of changed that trajectory, or did just winning beget winning?

11:23 Yes, I think for me, everything started when we sweep the Yankees, like in the four-game series in Boston, like here in Fenwick. I think everything started there. Like, you know, uh on that series, everything feels different, like the fans, uh, the team, all the energy, all the emotion started in there after we sweep the Yankees.

11:50 And then I think the next series, I think we we lost one game, but the energy was there, you know, we played good. Uh we did everything with the that we can to win that game, but we're still losing it. But after that, you know, the magic can came to the to the team. You know, we started to win, we we won.

12:17 Then we was, I don't know, seven in a row, and we didn't even think about it. You know, we just yeah, we was going out there, playing, you know, giving the hundred percent, giving everything on the field. We was doing everything, everything was on our side, the pitching, hitting, you know, everything.

12:37 So that was amazing. Yeah, it was a magic that uh, you know, I think it was God that uh brought that to us, and that was amazing turnaround because anybody was believing in us. No nobody thinks uh that we was able to play in the playoffs because of the way that we was playing at the beginning of the season.

13:06 But as a team uh we all knew that we had a great team that we can win. You know uh and you know, I think everything started with uh uh four-game uh series against the Yankees that we super.

13:26 Yeah, for me too. That was that was uh that was a start for of everything. I mean we swept the Yankees and then we lost the next I think game five. No. Something like that. And then uh once we swept the Yankees, we knew that we can win against anybody. But also, besides that, we recognized the game that we had to play at the time.

13:45 Because we weren't hitting homage, we weren't hitting for slot. And then uh we were doing everything to get on base, to move the runner over, uh to get runs. And when you recognize and you were able to recognize what game you have to play in that moment, that's what helped the most. Besides that, all the team was in the same page, pitching staff, uh offense, uh hitting staff, and and and the coaches were in the same page.

14:10 Of course, there's a lot of talk in in between those games, but um I'm really glad that we were able to recognize the game that we had to play at the time.

14:18 Yeah. Just as a as a a veteran, you know, someone who's just experienced pretty much everything baseball has to offer at this point. Um, what is there anything that feels different in this clubhouse and in relative to all the other experiences you've had with other teams?

14:34 I mean, uh yeah, I mean, uh I've been playing with guys that are willing to listen, and there's guys that are not willing to listen. And what I've found this place is that everybody wants every every player wants to learn, everybody wants to get better, they ask questions and they're willing to listen.

14:50 And that makes everything easier because uh I can come to anybody and and just have a good conversation about baseball, different stuff, and they will have no problem with that. Also, there is a lot of supporting because um I know what struggle feels like. Yeah, and when the season started, there was a guy that was struggling the most, and I always was by by his shoulder, say, Hey, keep playing, you'll be good, you'll be fine.

15:16 It's a long season, don't get caught up in the trap of the numbers because it's easier to fall in that trap in May. I mean, there's a lot like four months to go. You're a good leader, Wilson. I mean, I tried to, I tried, but uh I know what what struggle feels like. I mean, of course. I was eating like 060, something like that.

15:42 Oh my god. And that's that's deep, so I knew what uh what the measures was gonna be for that guy.

15:48 Yeah, your on-based percentage this year is insane.

15:52 I mean, uh yes, I tried to make my adjustments, uh now to strike some a little better, and of course the hit by pitches helps. Yeah, I was about to say that he got a lot of you. Do you just get in the way?

16:03 Or like what's happening there?

16:07 Uh everybody has a different biomechanic of hitting, and everybody has their thing, right? And uh some some guys see the ball better far from the plate, some guys see the ball better on the plate. And well, I'm the I'm closer to the plate, I saw I see the ball a lot better. Yeah. And I have my biomechanics one way, so this is my anatomy, and this is the way I swing.

16:30 Right. I can't change that. Because that's what brought me to the big leaks, right? Totally. Yeah, sometimes I get the blame of getting hit by pitch, and which is normal, but just too close to the plate. Too close to the plate. And uh I mean there's a lot of reasons about it, but it's not fun. It hurts.

16:45 Yes, a lot.

16:49 It looks like it hurts for whether it's yeah. If you get a uh hit by a by a fastball or nighty five I mean, I mean I played field hockey and you've s you know, you guys have seen hockey and you know the ball travels pretty fast, so yeah, and and you're exposed. So yeah, I've I've been you know hitting the shin and the toe, and you know, it just it hurts, yeah, it hurts um in the face.

17:14 But yeah. Wilson. You have been an all-star four times. Part of my role at Woop, I I work with players, you know, kind of who are on the back end of their career or you know, have been in the the the league for a long time. And you know, it's it's about how do we extend the season. You know, Jose Bautista, I work with him through the back end of his career when he was going to the Mets, and you know, he he was on Woop for a really long time.

17:36 And you know, what I find really interesting is that you know, you you have to be more intentional in terms of how you live your life. And and it's a little easier when you get older, you know, there's less distraction probably, and you learn how to filter that out. But what do you, you know, what's your you've had this incredibly long career, you know.

17:56 Um what do you attribute that to? And and I feel like there's so much left in the tank for you. Yeah, you know, like you're like just gonna go and yes, no, for sure.

18:05 Nobody nothing came came easier for me. I mean, I spent seven years in minor leagues, but I knew what's uh what I was trying to do. I knew what I had to do to put my parents in a better spot. My responsibility with baseball comes from there because nothing came easier to me, and then when it came, I feel like I had to get a huge hole of it because I don't take anything for granted, for granted.

18:31 I really feel like if you respect yourself as a ball player, you respect your career, you're gonna have a a good career. I mean, it doesn't matter who you are or how much talent do you have. But if you know what to do with your recovery, at what time you have to sleep, if you your breakfast, for me, breakfast is the most important meal.

18:49 Yeah, people listen, listen up right now. Yes, I can uh fall asleep at 3 a.m., but I have to wake up at 8 to get my breakfast and then go back to bed. Um that's one thing that I learned uh during the minor league career. Yeah. Of course, I saw a video of uh Ron Washington speaking about it, and I was in double A by the time.

19:08 I was like, okay, this is important, this is gonna help me throughout my career. And I've always done it since then. Incredible. And I mean, knowing uh your strength, knowing what you need to work on uh with the trainers, with uh using Whoop, always in different types of tools that is gonna help you with your recovery and your career.

19:28 I mean, you have to take advantage. Yeah, they're here for us. Right. And if you want to extend your career, you have to use some technology to help.

19:35 Yeah, yeah. I think that the tools that are available to athletes now, it's is it's it's really extraordinary, you know, and and uh an incredible opportunity to just enhance the recovery, especially 165 games season or like whatever it is, like that. It's just the demands on the on the body and the mind and you know are just enormous.

19:53 It's a it's a huge uh roller coaster of emotions. Yeah, I mean going up and down, taking planes every three days, five days, it's not easy. No. Um well, like I say, if Whoop is here to help you, just take advantage of it. I mean, if you think about the old school players or the back then, they didn't have any technology and they still play for 18, 20 years.

20:13 Right. I'm not gonna say I want to play 20 years because I'm 34. But there's some technologies that are here to help everybody. Yeah, absolutely.

20:22 Willier, you have put together your most complete offensive season. Uh talk a little bit, just reflect maybe on you know how you got here and and how you feel uh about the success.

20:37 No, I feel uh incredible. Um as uh like Wilson, I spent seven years seven years in the minor leagues too. I play with Houston Astros in the minor leagues. Uh I got trade here to the Red Sox in 2022. Uh I was in double A.

21:00 I have to just admit that I was a little sad, Vasquez.

21:05 Yeah, I was a fan, but then that was that was the trade that I came, I came here, so yes.

21:12 But we are so grateful to have you.

21:14 Yeah, you have something to win something like this. Exactly, exactly. Yeah, I know I know Vasquez was you know a big guy for the for the fans here. Yeah, he played here for a long time. Yeah, he's a good guy. Yes, and by the time maybe nobody understand that that trade because he was I I was uh in the minor league still by the time.

21:40 Um then I made my debut in 23. Uh home run first pitch. Uh no. Strikeout. Strikeout. I I stroke out in my first bat. Yes, I mean I was I was faced in Berliner, so I got a good excuse, you know. Yeah.

22:03 Yeah. So you're actually playing the Astros.

22:06 Yes. I made my debut against the Astros. I mean. Wow. So in 23. That's hard. Wow, that's hard. Yeah. I think that was uh a big plan for Alex to make to make me see how you respond. It was good. It was a really good experience for me to know, you know, the opportunity to make my debut against the team that gave me the opportunity to be a professional baseball player.

22:37 So that was a really critical experience for me. You know, that's something that I gonna always remember. But, you know, in 24 was my first full year, and I'm glad that I had uh, you know, my first full year and have that success and won my first gold glove as a right field. It was uh cool for me, you know.

23:06 Uh but I was very excited and very proud of myself for what I accomplished at that moment because um I was the first rookie on, I don't know, 70-something years to win the gold glove for for Red Sox. It's amazing. So I was very proud of this, of that accomplished, you know. Um now last year I was able to you know repeat uh that won my second gold glove.

23:40 And this year gonna be the third. Hopefully, yes. Hopefully, yes. And yeah, it's incredible. Uh and you know it's it's been uh really good experience these three years for me, you know, playing in the WBC this year too with Wilson that we won, you know, a star in this this year has been you know a blessing for us.

24:05 I think uh you know he's been superer highs. Yes, he got his new career highs on Homer's uh RBIs, me too.

24:21 It's insane.

24:22 Uh so it's been a really good year for us, so I'm very happy to have him here, you know, as a teammate. He's you know he's been a lot, he's been a lot of things.

24:34 Do you do you look up to this guy?

24:36 He's been helping a lot to the team.

24:39 I try, I try. I mean, especially I'm I'm a winner, I want to win. He knows that. And um when you have good guys around you, it's easier to lead or talk to them. Yeah. Like I say, when you have players that are willing to listen and learn, it's way easier. But at the other hand, if you if you watch the amount of work that he put in himself in either hitting or defense, it it's not a surprise that he's winning he's about to win his third goal glove.

25:08 He's really committed to getting to be better every single day on both sides of uh of the plate. And that's why he's having success. I mean, it's not it's not a secret. If you work hard with intelligence and you are very detailed about your work, good thing happens.

25:25 I love that. I can just talking to you both, I can feel the humility and gratitude. Like it's it's so beautiful, you know.

25:33 I mean, yeah, yeah, nothing is given to us, we have to learn it, but at the same time, you have to keep ourselves humble because um we now we're here one year two or two, one might not be here. So that's why you have to be the same guy every single day and the same person, either on the field and off the field.

25:51 So, Will, you're October. So last year things ended with the Yankees. When you were walking out of Yankee Stadium last year, what stayed with you? What did you bring into the season? A lot of stuff you gotta let go of, right? As athletes, we just gotta turn the page and focus on what's next. Is there anything that stayed with you from that experience that you bring into this October?

26:11 This year we're more prepared. We learn from our mistake last year. I think uh that's the beautiful part of this that you can learn from your mistake and try to, you know, be better, uh improve yourself, improve what makes you feel failure on that specifical moment and try to fix it and be better. I think we're more we're this year we're a complete team that we can you know do everything.

26:57 You know, I think we got a better pitcher pitching that's gonna helping us a lot because in the postseason or the playoff is that's the most important thing, the pitchers. You know, if the pitchers are uh healthy and they're doing their job, uh everything is uh easier because that's the most important thing in the playoffs have the pitchers doing uh their job and you know, especially like they're healthy.

27:29 On the other side, on the offensive side, you know, there's a lot of ways that we can you know create runs, uh errors, uh stolen base, uh, you know, everything can happen. But I think the most important thing is the pitching size, and I think our team has the better, the best pitching stuff that all the fans are gonna see in the postseason.

27:57 And I think that's you know, that's our advantage as of right now. They're our pitching size, and I think they're gonna do a really good job because I know what can what they can do.

28:12 Yeah, I love that. Wilson, as a as a leader on the team, veteran, what are there guys on the 25-man roster who have never played in a in a playoff before? Like in have never played in October, or is every does everyone have experience?

28:27 No, I'm pretty sure that most of them have played in October. Yeah. And some of them will uh haven't played in October, but uh always says the I will always say this about playoffs. Okay, good, yeah. So the regular season is a big leak, right? It's a big leak. Right. When you go to the playoffs at another leaf on level.

28:44 It's like it's like the energy goes up, the atmosphere goes up, the everything goes up. Yeah. I mean just amplified. Beachers executing great pitches, yeah, hitting taking amazing pitches, or hitting balls that use they're not hitable. And uh for me, like the most important thing in playoffs is to recognize what game we have to play.

29:05 Which game you have to play against, let's say we wanna face this guy, right? I don't want to name no names. And we know that we have to stay short to the ball and we have to be opposite field or don't pull it because you're gonna hit a ground ball double play other stuff. Or if we had this guy on base that can run, why not bount him to try to make him to third?

29:24 So um staying ahead of the game. Stinking ahead of the game and and and taking advantage of the what their game is giving you. I mean, it's another if I'm telling you, it's another different league, and um recognizing what game you have to play is is gonna be huge. Gosh.

29:42 Yeah, I think I think too the you don't have to let your emotions go too like up too much. You have to, you know, stay in the same like same level that you play for the whole year. Of course it's different. There's more emotion, there's more you know louder, and you can you can't hear like anything on the field.

30:13 Wow. And you have to stay like you know, the same level. You don't have to your stress consume you because then you're gonna the the the game's gonna speed you up and then everything's gonna like something's gonna happen and you don't even know what's what to do because you're too too excited and you know you you don't have that anticipation of the play or you know whatever.

30:50 Yeah, yeah.

30:51 Yeah, and that that's uh it's really important what he's saying. Also, that's why you have to practice the situation before it happens. Yeah. Like even in practice. Yeah, I mean, just practice it because when the situation comes and you're about to hit, you know what what you need to do, and does it cause you by surprise?

31:09 Yeah. And that's like I I guess that's flow, right? Like, you know, when you're anticipating what's happening next and you're like you feel ahead of the game, like you feel like the game is coming to you, you know, really you're not having to force it. Yeah, that's always the most amazing feeling. You mentioned um the emotion, the the highs and the lows.

31:26 And um, you know, I I suppose you become expert at managing that over the course of 160, you know, game season. How, you know, when I think about this as a as a kind of a psychophysiologist, you know, which is my training, I know from the data that our emotions um and our capacity to lead and our mindset are all highly related to how we recover, how we sleep.

31:52 So how do you think about those relationships? And have you noticed, you know, that you're more stable emotionally when you're better recovered and that you're really able to, you know, take those opportunities for sleep. And you know, how do you how do you think about that?

32:07 Yeah, I think uh during a lot of station like this, you notice the when you don't sleep the way you should sleep, you get irritated a lot, a lot quicker. Your patients just and sometimes you don't have you don't want to talk to anybody or or she's under slept. Either like the media is here, you want to talk to you, and you've you don't you're not in the mood.

32:26 It's like I'm I don't know what's going on with me today, but I didn't sleep well. I don't want to talk to anybody. Which is I mean, this is a reality. Right. Then when you sleep your eight hours, ten hours, you feel a lot better. Yeah, you feel you can focus a lot better, yeah. You're not as tired, and you will recover.

32:45 So yeah, I mean, they'll go those two go together.

32:48 And I I think you both have this down, you know. Like I I mean, you're you're obviously you understand the importance of recovery, you're building that into your life. Has that influenced your teammates the way you approach the details of your downtime?

33:03 Um, being honest, haven't I done I haven't talked about it with my teammates because um I mean at this time we know that we know what we should do to get better and and respect the game. Yeah. And that's part of respecting the game. And that's part of respecting the game. I mean, if you if you're sleeping well and you wanna you're respecting your teammates, you're respecting the work that we all put in as a team.

33:27 If you're doing different, that's that's your main issue, that's your problem. But what I wanna see on the field is that I I want you to be able to play 100%. Right. Right? And then So you gotta take care of it. Yeah, I have to take care of it. I mean, that's that's the way I think. Of course, I could be I could come to anybody and talk about specific things, but I think those are more like personal stuff, personal things to handle.

33:50 And um let's do that.

33:51 But they impact the team profoundly.

33:53 Yeah, for sure. I mean, um but um yeah, I mean, being honest, I haven't I have not.

33:57 Yeah, I was just curious like how much of those conversations happen, you know. And I, you know, part of me feels like it should happen more at the professional level. Because I think that there's advantages to be had, you know, when people really understand the value, you know, and and what a competitive advantage it is.

34:15 How successful you two are.

34:16 Yeah, I think uh that that don't worry about don't don't have me worry about it because I know that uh we have a great guy. The guys are taking care of the city. And they know what they need to do to get better on the field. And they're not they're not, they're not they're different than what I have in the past.

34:33 And I like that from them. I love that. There a lot of them are family guys. When you're a family guy, you want to sleep early. So that's that's that's one thing that I noticed this in this team. You got three kids like I know.

34:49 You're both have twins too, so you had just the double mimmy.

34:52 Yeah, we got yeah, I got three kids. So sometimes they uh sleep late and wake up early.

35:01 Yeah. I I can't thank you both enough for for coming to to chat um with us today. Uh you guys are so fun to watch and bring so much beautiful energy to Boston. So just as a lifelong fan, thank you. Um, but but truly um exceptional careers and cannot wait to continue to follow uh your success and good luck in October.

35:25 Thank you, appreciate it. Thank you for the opportunity to have fun. It was a great conversation. We could go for a long time. For a long time. I know. I have so many more questions. I know. But no, I would do this anytime.

35:36 Thank you so much. I appreciate that so much. Thank you, Wilson. Thank you so much to for the invitation here. It was uh I had a great time here, you know, uh with this uh conversation. It was really cool. Um very happy to to be here and very glad to, you know, you invite me here and anytime I can I can be here.

35:59 I appreciate that. Well, we are right across the street, so if you ever need anything, um we're here. Okay, thank you. Yeah, thank you.