Spirit: The Fifth Element?

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Air. This is what we This is Yuppie. It's our podcast. And we're back. Hey everybody. Orville Redenbacher Popcorn is not sponsoring us. Well, I am your co-host, Jordan. I am joined by Katie. Oh, hey. And Troy. Troy. Wow. Troy, you just got back from somewhere. What have you been doing?

I just got back from work a couple days ago.

When.

And before that?

Oh, before that, we went uh skiing at Mount Hood, which is in the western Midwest part of Oregon. And then before that, we went to Hawaii.

Is Mount Hood in the Midwest part of Oregon? Feels like it. So is it like the Kansas of Oregon? Yeah. What was Hawaii like?

Aloha.

Mahalo. Maliky leaky maka.

Yeah. Hot sand, clear blue water, no complaints. It always boggles my mind just what nature is capable of.

You can't see this, but Troy's wearing like seven layers of clothes, a really heavy stocking cap, some snow boots, and I'm pretty sure gouaches. Are you cold, Troy? I'm always cold.

Well, he just got back from Hawaii and it is cold. It's wet.

Hello.

Missing that island life.

Well, we just watched some Avatar the Last Airbender. We watched the series' first two-part episode, The Winter Solstice. Part one, Spirit World. Part two, Avatar Roku. Quick. Give it a number grade.

unknown S.

There's two numbers. Man, sate.

I was gonna say 7.5, but then I decided to round up.

In that minute of like thinking about it, you're No, I'm rounding back down. Dang! Why did you round it back down?

Because I think, well, I can't talk about that.

Oh yeah. No, I how dare I assume I know.

But it's gonna have to go off my professionalism. 7.5.

I'm going for a hard eight.

Okay.

Hard eight. Hard eight.

Why is it necessary to say hard eight?

Well, because like a solid, like I'm I am so positive that those two episodes constituted an eight. Like, I don't I don't feel like 7.9. I don't feel 8.1. Solid 8.

Alright. Should we talk about it?

Maybe. That's part of what we're doing here. So these two episodes uh set up a bunch of important things in the avatar world. You get uh our first step into the spirit world. Aang kind of accidentally ends up there after freaking out about how he doesn't know how to be the avatar, how he can only do airbending.

Aang's experiencing something right now. I think the fact that he is the avatar with no guidance is really starting to weigh on him.

Yeah, were you surprised, Troy? When he was in the spirit world and like, did you know what was happening?

It definitely caught me off guard. It because he's the airbender, so he can bend air, water, earth, and fire. He has the capability of doing all four of those things. When he found out he was in the spirit world and he couldn't do much in the spirit world, I just thought, oh, I did not see that coming.

So what is the spirit world?

Like, what did you interpret that as?

Sort of like the fifth element, the one element you really cannot see, but it's still there. So it's it kind of I feel like it really ties back into Eastern philosophies and the way the traditions go.

Spirit world. Well, I was surprised that they don't actually go to like another world. It just seems like Aang kind of becomes a spirit. So even though they keep talking about the spirit world, he's just a manifestation of his spirit.

Yeah, I don't know. And then he was like, you know, seeing everybody, like, hey, I'm I'm here and you can't see me. And I guess in my mind that wasn't happening.

He definitely just feels like the spirit world is just an interconnected apart, like a like a layer over our world that is existing. Like right now, Troy could have Troy. Well, actually, we're not close to a solstice, but I think there's a couple spirits next to you, Troy. One's an angry panda, one's a happy panda.

You're in the spirit world. Welcome.

That's right. I think the biggest takeaway from that was episode seven, the spirit world, is that the fifth element, I'm gonna say the spirit world is like the fifth element. If you can figure out how to maneuver in the spirit world, it brings all the other ones close together. It's just interesting because without his powers, he realizes he needs to go visit Avatar Roku.

And it's the beginning of uh what I call Indomitable Spirit. He is the he is indeed fact the Avatar, and yes, he has no guidances, but he cannot afford to let that stop him from saving his friends and bringing balance back to the world. And so I think that was the surprise about the spirit world element, is just when you have no powers at your disposal, you still have to believe in yourself in order to really make the vision come to life.

Yeah, it was probably a good moment for Aang, who has relied so much on his bending up to this point, and for him to realize that he's more than just that was really good. Uh, I really enjoyed Hei Bai as the spirit. Like, he's just thrashing around, like causing chaos. He's kind of the way Aang approaches Hei Bai, the angry spirit, Aang's like a parent trying to console like a thrashing toddler.

Like Aang takes it in spades, like, oh hey, there's this monster. Like, this is the scariest thing we've probably seen up until this point.

Like, and it's like zero to sixty, just destroying everything.

And like I thought all the villagers are kind of cool about it. I mean, no one's like there's not much hysteria happening. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I don't know. And there's just no reasoning with him. Like when Sokka comes out and he's like, okay, like let's take let's take him down or whatever.

Immediately kidnapped.

That was it by Sokka.

So did Sokka like I mean, he wasn't like walking around spirit. He seemed to have no recollection when once Sokka was rescued that he had been in the spirit world? Like, did he just like go to sleep? Take a nap. It was comatose.

Something we haven't discussed. Uh, Uncle Fire. Iroh just tubbin.

Tubin? What what was that scene for you like, Troy? We see we meet Iro for the first time in the episode and He's kind of it's like intimate.

Well, it's very intimate, and it just kind of uh I don't know, it's I think the way Uncle Iroh's handling life right now, it's pretty similar to that of somebody I I would assume who's just retired from the firebending world, and they just kinda like want to take it easy. So when you're when you're dealing with a youth who's got like deadline, deadline, deadline, deadline, and they say, Come on, Uncle, we gotta get going.

Uncle's like, what are you talking about? I am retired. Take your time, leave me behind if you have to. You know, he's just gonna take his time. And uh, it was just a really they really set it up to where Uncle Iroh could be a scene stealer for sure.

I think the great thing about Iroh is that he uh you just get like the sense that he has so much wisdom. He's like, you know what? I see you struggling, you're worried about all these things, life's passing you by, you just need to take a step back. Sit in this tub. Have some more tea.

No, they have a great dynamic and just Iroh's laid back and Zuko's just super intense and My honor!

No, Iroh's a a wonderful foil as a character to Zuko, so that they play off each other really well. Now, are you what do you view Zuko and Iroh as in terms of what they serve to this story?

I'll have to get back to you on that one. That's a pretty deep question.

Because they're definitely painted as antagonists, but they each have their own goals kind of happening. Like Iro needs to like be a good teacher to Zuko, and so you get these character traits from them that they're not these evil sociopaths hell-bent on capturing Aang. Zuko is that but then Iroh kind of balances that out because I think if Iroh was intense like how Commander Zhao was, that would they would straight up just be like the villains of the series.

Prince Zuko and Uncle Iroh definitely give the antagonists of the story more personality, more of a human side. If yeah, it's it's the typical story of if we were just to show the heroes, Aang and Sokka and uh Katara, like it'd probably be pretty boring. Whereas you got Prince Zuko, like you said, very intense, and then Uncle Iroh was just really laid back.

They look for out for each other at the same time all going after the Avatar, but you really get the best of the human side out of the Fire Nation between those two. Everybody else in the Fire Nation is either being commanded or has little to no soul.

Mm-hmm. Oh, it's nice. It's nice that they're, even though they're serving as antagonists to help drive that story forward, that you're still like their characters can still resonate with you, and how Uncle Iroh, even though he's being painted as an antagonist, you're like, oh, like this he's like a good guy.

He's relatable to a lot of people, especially myself. I like chilling in tubs, man.

Well, alright.

Perfect. Who doesn't love a good ch chill tub time? Exactly.

I was just gonna say, like, when Iroh gets kidnapped or I don't know, kidnapped, but man napped. He gets arrested. Gets napped. Uh, and he's just kinda like well, almost nude. Because you definitely think he is, but then he has like his little loincloth.

Like, did they give him the loincloth or yeah, I don't know if he was wearing that in the tub. No, he definitely wasn't because censorship, I mean, Zuko's hands went up in a very convenient spot in this episode. The first instance of censored nudity in the series so far. It's a big moment. Is that is that a euphemism?

Big moment, Uncle Iro?

Moving on. But yeah, I mean, I enjoy that he was so creative and trying to escape. And then the best scene, obviously, was Uncle and Zuko fighting fighting the firebenders.

Well, we get these like random earthbenders. Who are these guys? I don't know. They capture Iroh, they're about to crush his hands after he like dips himself off the edge of a cliff and like dead rolls.

And rolls forever.

Oh, he's gone. And then they capture him, they're about to crush his hands, and then as the rock is falling to crush his hands, out comes Zuko to delicately kick it away.

Yeah.

It was a delicate kick. Like, I didn't get much force from it.

Yeah, it was pretty weak.

Now, and then he there was a very powerful quote after he gets saved. Uh, whereas the earth-mending leader says, You guys are clearly outnumbered, it's two to five. And then Uncle Iroh fires right back with, We may be outnumbered, but you are outmatched.

You're clearly outmatched, then whips his chains.

The episode just uh focuses so much on uh every episode in general, but this episode specifically uh just really goes after the power of spiritual strength, you know? Doesn't matter the size of the dog in the fight, it matches the size of the fight in the dog, and obviously between Zuko and Iro, there's a ton of fight within both of them still to outmatch five Earthbenders.

I mean, as we've seen, uh especially in these like past two episodes, the the spirit of Zuko to capture Aang is so great. He just finds himself in these sticky situations where you're like, how did Zuko get here?

Yeah, the stamina, and he's just very he's like, I know, I was thinking of like the last episode. Excellent tracker, he's very focused. Be great on a resume.

See, passion, friends. This is what happens when you're very passionate about a goal. Uh back to Iro, really quick. We found out some some interesting things about him. We found out he was a general and that he le laid siege to uh the great earth kingdom city of Bossingsei for 600 days. 600 days until he quote unquote got tired.

I was tired.

He's still tired.

Yeah, just he'll tell you all about it.

Man, what is that? About 19, 20 months?

I mean, it's almost to almost two years, yeah.

Yeah, I I get pretty burnt out.

And then we found out his nickname is Dragon of the West, which that's a baller name, guys.

For a baller guy.

Also, speaking of baller moves, probably not a baller move, but like when he's trying to escape and then heats up his shackles to hold the guy's hand on the hot iron and just holds it there and burns him. I was a trickster.

I uh yeah. To me, that that was common sense to burn the guy's hands because they rely on their hands so much in the show. I mean, if if I was gonna get kidnapped and I had that power, I'd I was like, that's a genius move. I'm burning your hands, man. Yeah, exactly.

Okay, well, moving on to part two.

Dun dun dun. We find out that Aang needs to talk to the previous Avatar, Roku, and so that requires dun dun dun going to the Fire Nation. So this is the first time we've gone to the Fire Nation in the series. Now we've touched upon every element's land to some degree. We started in the Southern Air or the Southern Water Tribe, we popped over to the Southern Air Temple, we've been in the Earth Kingdom for most of the series, and now we're going to the Fire Nation.

This thing was packed with a lot of uh subtle blinking and miss it moments. Uh, for example, the last episode, as Uncle Iroh gets kidnapped, he thinks nothing of it. He's actually very, very calm the entire time. Burns the guy's hands, they're about to crush Uncle Iro's hands, and he doesn't look nervous at all.

He just accepts it. He's like, you know, I I I tried to take down your city.

Maybe you should crush my hands.

Second part, the Aang and the gang, they're not excited about going to the Fire Nation. And neither is Uncle Iro, especially, because he keeps telling his nephew, you we go back to the Fire Nation, which is our nation, but you go back there, I cannot protect you anymore. This is the first time in the show that his uncle has actually shown nervousness and worried.

Yeah, that's true. Like this was definitely a good shift for every character in the series thus far.

But then poor Zuko, he is just so so driven by his he's blinded by his singular goal that he doesn't even consider the fact that this could probably be the end of him as a banished prince going back to his his homeland without fulfilling his goal.

I know, it's kinda sad.

We also find out for sure that Zuko is a 16-year-old boy, and we know that all sorts of hormones are going on with that kid. Oh man.

Not thinking clear, can only focus on one thing.

You probably need to just go work out a little bit before like he had that serious conversation.

Can't listen to anybody.

Making decisions. It's terrible.

Can we start about when firebenders shoot fire out of their feet?

I don't know. Do you think that's fair?

I don't know. I I don't know if I believe it. I call BS. You don't believe that they can't believe they shoot fire out of your feet.

Well, the Aang airbends with his feet pretty frequently.

I don't know, guys.

And the earth benders, I would argue they bend a lot with their feet. You know, they take those like really powerful stances.

It's a very full body. Troy? Look, fire out of the feet.

They can firebend steam out of their noses, in my mind. What can't you firebend? Fire bending out your foot is not too far fetched if the if you can get stuff coming out of your nose.

Alright.

I heated it up myself.

Okay, so Zuko is ready to plow through the risk it all. To risk it all. He's going in. Iro's like, for the love of God, please no.

But then we have that great moment where we're talking about like those fireball, like tar fireballs are shooting off, and Iro's like, dude, can we get something more fragrant?

Just again, another scene where Uncle Iroh just steals it. Yeah, he's a good one.

What about when Sokka like flies through the cloud?

Oh yeah. Okay, that scene. That scene was way more intense than I ever remember it being. Like, that's like a good portion of the episode, is just them like dodging fireballs in the clouds. Like Appa catches on fire at one point.

I know.

And then Sokka flies off. Well, you see Sokka get gobbled up by a cloud, and we're like, well, there he goes.

It was a great moment. They rescue him.

Then Katara saves him. Okay, as siblings, do you think Katara and Sokka, how do you think about their sibling bond?

Hmm. It was it's a pretty typical bond because it's uh well, Katie and I didn't really talk that much at that age.

But do you think she would rescue you as you fell out of the clouds? Yes.

I hope so.

Yeah, that is true. I was just gonna say, I've rescued you. I rescued your face before we started watching this episode. Yeah, poor Troy. Poor Troy was just like laying.

He just kept repeating, like, hey, are we gonna start the episode yet? Here we're gonna start the episode yet, is Katie just goes to town on his poor nose and forehead.

Well, I'm happy to report that he didn't have much.

Clean skin! Clean skin all around.

So great job, Troy.

Back to the the show that we're watching. So I noticed that like this is like one of the first times that we're given uh more experience into Fire Nation citizens who aren't brainless soldiers or Right.

That you're like, oh, maybe not all Fire Nation is bad or has the same mindset.

But then on the flip side of that, we see like this corruption of what happened when Aang was gone those 100 years, that people who probably could have helped him like have turned in the in the time since from with his absence of people who have lost hope in the Avatar and so have fallen behind. An evil tyrant king in the form of Fire Lord Ozai.

Yeah, now let's let's let's tackle that first just a second. They keep throwing around 100 years, like, you know, it's it was just you're just a hundred years too late. It's just you know, it's just a hundred years ago. I mean, a hundred years ago, it was 1920. There was the roaring twenties. And look how much has changed in that much time.

Absolutely nothing.

Exactly. You know, people people wanted faster horses, and so they got faster horses, man. The hell with the automobiles. But no, in the show, it's just like it does make you wonder like what did it look like a hundred years ago in the show? You know, how was Aang before he was in the iceberg? And it's just the more he was as he was talking to the former avatar Roku, it just makes me go, like, you know, how how well trained was Aang and all the other avatars.

Well, so the avatars are supposed to, yeah, they're supposed to, as we learned from Roku's, take years and years and years to like be disciplined and learn everything they need to learn for the elements, and like it's a slow process. And so Roku, at the end of the episode, we get the end game, like we get like what this series is gonna be about.

Like, Aang has to get it together. Over the course of like, it's Winter Solstice, six months to learn three master three more elements and save the world before this comet comes back and the Fire Nation uses it again.

Right, and there's a lot of pressure, and you find out if you don't if you're not able to achieve this, that it's there's no going back, and that the Fire Lord's gonna take over and they're gonna have their little superpower.

And Roku probably wasn't he was supportive, but wasn't too understanding with Aang's plight. He was I loved I got gooseies at the scene where he's like, I know you can do this, Aang, for you have done it before. And we kind of like as like I've like you've you've mastered all the elements before in your lifetime.

But Roku doesn't say, Oh yeah, also I did that in three months. So you're cool, right? You got this?

You good.

Also, with the comet, it's implied that the Fire Nation used the comet's power to enact genocide on on the air nomads. So that's intense. Yes, it is. Whoa. Yeah. They started the war to deal a deadly first strike against the other nations.

Yeah, yeah.

And wiped out all of the airbenders.

Yikes. Just using the comet to go super sane on everybody.

Yeah, so what's the com like what what kind of what do you think the comet's gonna be? Like, what is that for you, how they're describing it?

When they were talking about when they were describing that comet, I'm actually very curious to see what the actual comet is. If it's gonna be like an actual comet, or is it gonna be like, I don't know, the sun just happens to get just close enough to the or the earth just happens to get just close enough to the sun to where the uh Fire Lord can harness the real power of the sun, the way the same way Superman and Goku harness the power of the sun.

And I'm excited to see how he does it, if he gets to, or maybe Aang gets to harness the power of the sun before the fire lord does. And that's how he masters the last element, which would be fire. That's my guess.

An intriguing theory. We'll see if it plays out.

Yeah. What did you think about uh what was his name?

Shy Yu the Fire Sage.

Yes. The one who he was like, no guys come in the secret passage and oh, like if he was actually a a bad guy? Right. Did you believe that he was a good guy that actually wanted to help the Avatar?

Unfortunately, he proved himself to be trustworthy. I could not trust him at all. Not from the first get-go.

Was it the eyebrows? He had intense eyebrows.

I've watched too many medieval shows where as anybody that tells you they they are actually on your side, they could just easily be a traitor. So Aang and the and uh kids were a lot more uh trustworthy than I am. But then again, they didn't really have a choice. Right. I mean they were they were cornered.

They were cornered, and the guy was like, you know, follow me, and I, you know, in my guts tell me, don't trust a guy. That's probably a trap, but like in in their case, they didn't have a choice.

But he's also like, here, trust me. Also, let's go walk down through this like magma chamber. You guys want to come with?

But it's also really nice that he was just a good guy, period. And like that they never turn them in, even in the end.

And a good guy who was like fulfilling his ancestral duty to help the avatar however he could. But in the other ones did not follow that. Yeah, they were kind of awful, especially like the lead guy who's like, click, get the avatar!

I know, they've been waiting a long time.

I guess after a hundred years, you kind of forget your duties.

Also, I totally forgot about Zuko showing up. Yeah, just shows up again! Like, what are you doing?

Speaking of Indomitable Spirit, here comes Zuko. If anyone has a control over his spirit, takes like his little skipper, finds his way, walks up all those stairs. We know how long those stairs were. Dude. Shows up, grabs Aang. And at this point, every time Zuko grabs Aang, you're like, I don't take it seriously anymore.

Because Aang's just like, and I'm gonna kick you down this flight of stairs later, Zuko. Every time. It's like Tom and Jerry. Yes, very much so. But then uh the fire sages come, they open up the doors, and as they're closing, Aang like jumps on the fire sages and gets in at right at the last moment and finally meets Avatar Roku.

Yeah, no, it's really exciting because kind of just keep getting better and better. And I just feel like I was getting really emotional. Like it was just nice because you're yeah. Like emotional. I was. I was just really moved by by Roku and like thinking about what's ahead and just talking about the spirit world and it's I don't know.

Did you get emotional, Troy? Just me?

Yeah, I did not get emotional. He's not that attached. I just thought to myself, it's a it's a heck of a way to start the domino effect as to what the series is about to bring to you. It it was absolutely the best setup. You got a blockade of fire nation ships, and then they blast, they barely make it through that, and then you go to a temple that's surrounded by a volcano on top of a volcano, and inside this temple you got this avatar, and deep inside this heavily guarded chamber, and then the last words of the avatar says is you can do it, Aang.

You've done it before. Yeah, no, I mean to me that's the ultimate domino effect for any action-heavy series with a lot of good stuff coming.

Well, Roku, I mean, he had some time to prepare. I don't know how time passes in the spirit world, but he was like, Okay, I got a hundred years to think about what I'm gonna tell Aang. I got this. But then here comes Roku, like, possessing the body of Aang to like blow up that island. It was a great moment.

That was pretty crazy.

Were you surprised that like Roku showed up? I I imagined the doors would open and it'd be like Roku standing side by side with Aang taking on the Fire Nation. I did not expect for Roku to come out just by himself in the embodiment of Aang. But it like I said, it was just a great introduction to show you the potential power of an avatar.

I don't know, do you think the other firebenders like felt kind of bad, like, oh sorry Roku. Yeah, maybe maybe some guilt left.

That'd be great.

Hey man, sorry about this.

Well, they didn't say anything about that when they were on the ship. Yeah, they were just like, look, we were just doing what the Fire Nation wanted us to do, and then the Fire Nation captain's like, save it for the Fire Lord. I don't believe you.

Yeah, Commander Zhao has zero time for them.

She really shows you like people can be extremely loyal to Captain Zhao, but he He's a commander, Troy.

Show the man some respect. Silence.

Cause my respect for him is none. Oh boom boom bum!

Okay, have has your opinion on what element you'd be a bender of changed?

I don't remember the last time I said.

Okay, in this moment, what are you identifying with?

To be told? Avatar. The avatar. Yeah. No, it's it's really a cross between the spirit world and the water. I think the last time. The spirit world is not It's a place, man.

It's not an element.

Actually, they made it into an element, believe it or not. That's what I got from episode seven. I think the last time we were I said earth, but I'm just for how much time I j for how much fun I just had in Hawaii and on the mountain skiing, I'm like, no, water would be a hell of a element to control.

Katie, are you still feeling the same about I mean I I think I'm a little bit of every element.

Oh, Katie the Avatar.

I identify. I'm Roku.

I'm all arrow. You're Roku? The beard probably sells it.

And my dragon.

Ah. Okay, so uh last final thoughts. I love the dynamic between Zuko and Roku. That's awesome. I'm glad that Aang is finally getting his act together and realizing some things about his life. Sokka is becoming more supportive. Katara hasn't really been doing too much except for like cheerleading on the side.

I don't think she's really waterbended at all those two episodes. No.

There's still time.

Are we allowed to say that I think you've said you've watched about every episode thus far about the series?

Me? Yes. Oh no, we have we have uh said many times that I have watched this show. This this show was like my comfort food growing up. Like once I had the box set of DVDs, I would like sit down with my lunch during summer breaks from school, I'd eat a little pizza, watch a couple episodes. Not in order, just whenever.

Nice.

I would theorize with Smiley at the lunch table at the Tilmack High School cafeteria, and we'd look each other dead in the eyes and wax poetic about where we thought the series was going. Because my senior year of high school, season three, Nickelodeon decided to halt. I don't know if they halted production or just halted like distribution.

Like, we got the first ten episodes, ends on a crazy cliffhanger, and then Nickelodeon proceeded to wait, I think, six months before airing another episode.

They wanted to give you time to master the elements.

Oh, ooh, touche. And I mastered zero elements, except for the element of spirit world.

I just the reason why I'm bringing it up is because I think it's a discipline in itself to be such a fan of a show, to watch all the episodes multiple times, and to still act shocked and have your own theories, even though you know how it's gonna play out. Oh yeah.

I mean I can tell you exactly how it plays out. So the next episode, no, I'm like, it's called the water bending scroll.

Oh, it's gonna be my type episode.

Oh, Troy loves water.

Yeah, because 70% of our bodies is made of water. Oh, 70? Isn't it like 90? 70. What?

Are you sure?

Alright, kids, we're gonna come back to you with some facts here. We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna fact check how much of our body is, in fact, water. What you can bend.

Trivia. How much of our body is made of water?

Okay, guys, we're out. Enjoy the next couple episodes. We're gonna watch water bending scroll and the next two after that, and then we will be back to talk more about Uncle Hero and his rockin' dad bod. Alright, I'm Jordan, Katie.

And Troy.

And we're out. Team Avatar. Yep, yep.

Yep, yep.

Yep, yep, yep, yep.

Fact.

Wait, wait, wait. Fact.

Check. Check, please. Let's talk about uh body water, Katie.

Let's get the facts.

But not like bodies of water. Let's talk about water in the body.

Let's talk about water in the body.

Baby. So according to the United States Geological Survey, they uh stated that uh 60% of the human body can be composed of water. 90% of the human weight is from water. So I think I was getting screwed up. Like 90% of the human body is not made of water, but 90% of your weight is water.

Well, I asked our little robot whose name must not be said.

It's Voldemort.

And she said 65%.

So price is right, rules, everybody lost.

I was thinking everybody wins.

Everybody wins! But I think Troy won the most.

Good job, Troy.

So go bend that water.

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