12: We Were Invited to Sit Front Row at a Dr Joe Dispenza Retreat — Here’s What Happened | Matt & Corisande Cooke

0:00 As soon as you start looking at quantum mechanics and manifestation, Dr. Joey Spenders just he's there, he pops up and it's gone in a flash. But five years ago, when we'd quit our jobs and we had nothing, we were watching Joe on podcasts. To be there right in his presence was sort of everything, really.

0:16 Yeah. I wasn't really prepared for the energy that he brings to a room. And I realised it was it was an avoidance of facing the work, not wanting to sit with my thoughts for an hour in meditation.

0:29 Why?

0:29 I don't think I wanted to face the fact that I can't be everything and I've got to be clear and intentional with what I'm doing.

0:39 I think that is so powerful and so true. And we all have intentions to manifest. And I always say this, but the real intention is to master presence, or I should say master being more in the unknown in a world that's designed to pull us from that.

0:53 I had some profound experiences, like the ability to self-observe to a point where I was like really pulling my body back.

0:59 You know, I've never forced you to read any of Joe's books or any other book, but something's changed in you since that.

1:06 My plug was, it was in, it was resting in the socket, but it wasn't fully pushed in, and Joe slammed it back and switched it back on.

1:15 If you're not making space in your routine in your life for the unknown, then how do you expect the unknown to communicate with you? And how do you expect synchronicity in the known?

1:26 This is why doing this work, going to these events, going to in-person things, meeting people, plugs you back in.

1:33 You know, I've been studying or listening to Joe's work for seven years. But for me, there's one thing that happened to me in a meditation that I'm really excited to share.

1:50 Hey everyone, welcome back to Beyond. And we're gonna do a solo episode today, just the two of us. We're fresh back from a Joe Dispenza retreat, and we have also been to Switzerland. We've got a lot to dive into.

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2:47 But like Corusand said, we're back fresh from Switzerland. So we're gonna take you through that and then we're gonna just share a few of the things and epiphanies and breakthroughs that are on our minds. So, Corusand, where do we start?

2:59 Well, I think we start with for anyone that doesn't know, Matt and I run our European events with an amazing company, and they also host Joe Dispenser's European events, which is a bit of a pinch me moment, because if I I think if you we were to have talked about running events, our whenever you and I used to say, How would we want it to look like we very much get clear on that vision, don't we?

3:28 Yes. How we imagine it and like the feeling and yours, the teaching, and me, the the event and the structure. It was like, well, I'm sorry, but if you're trying to sell an event to anyone, just go head to Jody Spencer's Instagram and just go.

3:42 Look at how he does it.

3:43 Yeah, I mean, particularly, I think they there was a recent video on his Instagram, I think it was probably put out maybe a year ago, and it was the Basel.

3:53 I know a few people already know this story, but before we share what we experienced at Dr. Jodie Spencer's event, which was truly incredible. You know, the reason this was so big is of course the work that we do now. You know, for anyone that's fresh to our channel or hearing this for the first time, you know, we want to spread this message not just on podcasts or social media.

4:10 I I really feel like with everything that's going on in the world, but especially with AI, there's this real human need. Like I felt this in my bones a few years ago where I was like, we really need to get out there and actually meet people, right? And we knew that logistically we have a community globally.

4:28 Where do you even begin when it comes to you know hosting events in Europe? And I just said to you, didn't I? I have this manifestation to partner with an events company that can help us. And what Corusan was just saying there, just over a year ago, we both saw Dr. Joe Dispenser showing this sort of promo video of him in Basel, and we were like, wow.

4:51 And then we saw an advert pop up, or I saw an advert pop up on Facebook, I think it was, and I noticed that there was a company.

4:59 A partnering company, yeah.

5:00 A partnering company promoting Joe's event. And I said to you in real time, I'm just gonna follow this intuition, headed straight over to Instagram, typed in the company called Unity, and they'd already actually reached out to me. And you know, a lot of people already know this story, but long story short, I've ended up partnering with them.

5:17 And as much as they host Joe in Europe, they now we're so uh grateful to be able to say that they host us. So we'll dive into it. They asked me and Corusand if we wanted to come out to Switzerland for Joe Dispenser's progressive retreat, uh, which happened here in September. Not sure when everyone will be listening to it's back, but we're fresh back.

5:41 Talk us, talk everyone through that, Corusand.

5:43 Well, it was a really interesting situation because I I don't know about you, but my obviously for us it was research because we'd obviously been asked by Unity and it was very much a we've got Barcelona coming up, which is you know, over 500 people attending, but still it was like this is the level that we're heading.

6:05 So uh we need to know how how it's done. So you the teachings, me, like the team that's needed on our side, and also the uh level of execution, how it's done, what's happening behind the scenes. So I was you were going probably from teaching and how he holds himself on stage, me from the point of view of like, are there any tips that I can take here, any learning that I can have?

6:31 But I was more watching the back end. So unlike a lot of I would say 99% of people that were there were there specifically to do some form of work on themselves. Maybe they were being introduced to Joe for the first time. There were a lot of people that were bought by friends, family, people that were there for specific reasons, maybe health, or looking to change in some way.

6:53 So it was a very surreal because I was going with a kind of preconceived imagination of what it was going to be like for me in the experience. Yeah, I wasn't really prepared for how his presence and also just the energy that he brings to a room. Um whether that's the American in him, and I will say Americans know how to do it really well, they know how to put on a really great event, but they also just he I think it's more his energy and the energy he brings into the room.

7:27 And uh basically, like, I don't know whether I don't think you'd really prepared me for the fact that you probably know because you've obviously heard a lot and know a lot of people that have been to Joe's events, but we're sat there on the front row, like literally, like you, you know, yeah, he stands and does all he's talking like there.

7:43 So people like trying to imagine this, just just Google or go onto YouTube Progressive Retreat Basel. This is an arena, eight and a half thousand people, and Unity had reserved us seats at the front row. But yeah, Joe gets off the stage, it's part of his presence, and he walks in between the audience, doesn't he?

8:01 And I mean, he was literally in front of us. And I I will just say this this was like we love Joe, like I genuinely love him. I I I I think his work is truly incredible. And when I first started this work, my first ever spiritual awakening in 2019, I started to learn more of the quantum aspect, and you know, as soon as you start looking at quantum mechanics and manifestation, Dr.

8:26 Joe Dispenser just he's there, he pops up, and you know, w this is a surreal moment for me and Coruscant because even though it it wasn't that long ago, like five years ago, it's gone in a flash. But five years ago, when we had when we'd quit our jobs and we had nothing, and we were watching Joe on podcasts, to be there right in his presence was sort of everything, really.

8:50 Yeah, wasn't it? And uh, yeah, and like just uh feel the energy in the room was like nothing I've ever felt because you only really have that amount of people going to either let's say you're seeing a comedian, yeah, you're going to watch a show, you're going to see someone perform in concert, like it's pretty amazing to think he can draw that many people, obviously with the help of Unity, but he can draw that many people to an event.

9:17 So, uh, for any context, for any like anyone listening who thinks that like we somehow managed to do it all, we don't. I don't manage to do it all as a mum, just so everyone knows. I do have help. So whenever we travel, like there is someone there with us, and my mum was had come along, she was taking care of Humphrey.

9:36 There is no one in this world that I would trust apart from you and I more with him. He just adores her, and I can fully switch off. So we were in a very fortunate position that that was the case. But there was kind of uh we it was it was that first day, half day on the Friday was Sunday night, seventh all night.

9:58 Yeah, we're gonna talk you through like what we experienced and what the event is. But yeah, like Corison said, a lot of people ask us how we do this, and we're fortunate enough to be able to travel with Humphrey wherever we go. I'm fortunate enough that my mother-in-law, your mum, wants to be involved, and you know, she she we're blessed that she looks after Humphrey whilst we're at these events.

10:17 And actually, there were a few kids at Joe's event. I think Humphrey's probably not far off being able to go and do something like that. But you know, he he was in Basel whilst this is going on. So yeah, it starts at 7 p.m., doesn't it? And I think the one thing I will just say, because I you know, for any speakers out there, they'll they'll know what I mean.

10:37 I know what it takes energetically to do one full day, where there's you know, if I look at Stockholm or I look at you you you know, Bucharest, 300 people in a room, one full day of teaching. It is energetically like exhausting at the end because you're giving so much. By the time we're here on this Monday night, Joe has just completed back to back, literally, like the night before he's just wrapped up, another progressive retreat in that same venue with another 8,000 people.

11:06 So he's done two and a half days, short break, and then he's going again. And bearing in mind he's in his 60s, I mean, he's a testimonial to the work. I mean, it's like wow, like for me, I was like, wow, wow. If I uh if if I at 60, whatever he is, four, I think, have that energy, like, and I don't think people necessarily think that, maybe, because I I and I would not, but I only do because I'm sort of like doing a small version of what he's doing, but to have that many people, like it's just incredible.

11:36 So yeah, I mean it was like a show, wasn't it?

11:39 Yeah, and it starts out like for anyone that's been to Joe's event, like it's just the music's incredible and the the energy, but like I had a bit of a I had a bit of a moment when he like started doing like he did a he did one of his meditations and I was like had a bit of a a moment because I'm like, oh my god, he's doing this meditation live.

11:57 And like it was a it was a meditation, one of my favourite meditations at the moment, actually. And uh, you know, just to to feel him, to see his work, to watch his team, how it's put together, it showed me what we've got to do, what we're missing, all of these things. But really interestingly, I had a really profound experience while I was there because uh Joe, so I I think that there's there's a real there's a real truth in the fact that you can hear the same information over and over again, yeah, but it lands with you in a certain way when it's meant to.

12:33 And I think that I was at a stage, if I was to think about if I was to think about, if I was to think about anything that I was struggling with going to that event, or anything that if someone had handed me a microphone and said, Is there anything you're hoping to take away from this? I would have said that I am just really struggling to push through this limitation of like, how do I be all the things?

12:59 Yes, and how do I to be all how do I be all the things well? And that's like support to you, a mum, run a business, have this independence, go after my dreams, all it like how do I do all of this? And in my head, I was like, you know, I I very often like just battle in the moment and assess the things I need to assess in the moment.

13:22 And I'd in my head, I was like, I'll do the half day.

13:27 Yeah, yeah.

13:28 Genuinely, I was one of these like people that they took he talks about going to the event where they're like, I'll escape by the second day. So I was like, I'll do the half day, and then the following day, I've got my plan. I don't really want to have to do the tuning into new potentials meditations.

13:41 He's probably going to do that at some point. I don't know why I didn't want to do that, interestingly enough, and I think that's because it meant me having to really, really double down and be clear, which I don't think my body wanted to do because it liked it's been enjoying floating around in nothingness and just bouncing from one thing to the next.

14:00 So I w left at 12 and I and I and do you know what? I gave the excuse that I I didn't think it was an excuse, like it wasn't intentional, but I gave the excuse that I need to be there with Humphrey. But I think if I was to be really have I I had to face that just from one thing from another, from his teachings and things he shared, I had to face that during those few days, and I realised it was it was an avoidance of of facing the work, it was a it was a a not wanting to sit with my thoughts for an hour in meditation.

14:33 Why?

14:35 Because I don't think I wanted to face them. I don't think I wanted to face the fact that I can't be everything and I've got to be clear and intentional with what I'm doing and that I know this work through and through. It's got me here to where I am today, and it's time to go again in a different way now.

14:58 And uh I wrote down, I was so frustrated because the work the the information that he was saying was just not going in. It wasn't going in.

15:07 On the first day.

15:08 First day wasn't going in. Like genuinely, there was a part point where she's like, right, can you turn to your partner and explain? I was dreading the person to the left of me who I didn't know turning and trying to involve me in conversation in fear of like, I don't know what he's just said. And like, just so anyone for any context here, I used to have this at school where um I I I wasn't acting, like I didn't enjoy school, I wasn't academic naturally, and uh I used to really struggle with anything that wasn't like creative and like either writing or expressing myself.

15:40 I'd really struggle. So, like maths, for example, just tap me out altogether, and someone would explain something and it would just completely bypass like my so like it would completely go over my head, not because I wasn't able to understand it, but because I needed to I need to really soak it in in a different way.

15:58 I I need sometimes space to like really absorb what someone's just said. So uh I decided to like take myself off for that second half, and it's really weird because half of me was loving spending time with Humphrey and being in Basel and enjoying like going away. But then the other half of me was like, I need to be at that event.

16:18 Like, what are you doing? Like my actual mind was like, Corusan, like what are you doing here? Like your body's controlling the show here, like you need to be.

16:26 So it was an avoidance of the work and yourself and the meditations.

16:29 Yeah, like just needing to tap up, like I allowed my body to run away. Like, there's a point at which Joe always talks about, always talks about you know, controlling your body almost like a dog, and you know, halfway through meditation, going, okay, like you need the toilet now, you need to get up. You're gonna like you know, he he jokes about all these things, and it was literally me needing to get my body and go sit down and listen to the work because you need to hear it.

16:53 And uh, yeah, I I whereas like look across at you and you're like making notes, like absorbing all the information like a sponge.

17:00 Yeah, I was making loads of notes, and I've actually just got on my phone here. I think the one thing that was true for me, and I'd love us to both compare and share like what our own breakthroughs were because I know a lot of people have been asking, and there's one thing that happened to me in a meditation that I'm really excited to share.

17:15 But for me, you know, I've been studying or l listening to Joe's work for seven years. You know, he's up there as one of the people that I regularly listen to reread his books. I know his work inside out. I've even listened to Progressive Retreat several times online, you know. But it was this, and I'm there making notes on the stuff that I've heard perhaps hundreds and hundreds of times.

17:40 And it's this famous saying no man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river, and he's not the same man.

17:52 Yes.

17:53 No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river, and he's not the same man. And you know, the amount of times I've heard Joe reference the things he was referencing, and it was just landing and landing and landing because it's that reminder that we're permanently changing. And I think, you know, how I want everyone to reflect on they might look at their bookshelf and go, I've read that book.

18:19 I reread books all the time because you you it lands in different like becoming supernatural has always been like a Bible to me. Yeah, and I'll pick it up and I'll be like, There you go. I've I've read that chapter on tuning into new potentials or blessing of the energy centers, I don't know how many times, but bang, that I've just learned that in a in a different way.

18:38 And I'm doing that with all the teachers that I'm learning from. And I'm also doing it with the same work that I'm learning and getting and re-going back over my own notes and it's landing in different ways. But for me, you know, of course, there was so much, and I've shared it, and I want to share a couple, but he said something so simple, and it was something around the lines of if you're not making space in your routine in your life for the unknown, then how do you expect the unknown to communicate with you?

19:04 And how do you expect synchronicity in the known? And it was just like this obvious thing, but this massive light bulb moment that as he was talking about how habitualized we all are and how much we're in programs, it's like, well, actually, Matt, in your schedule right now, how how much time have you got for nothing?

19:27 Like genuinely nothing, like you've just blocked it out and labelled it nothing. And you can decide on the day what you want to do. Because I think we can all resonate when when when the synchronicity lands, when the breakthrough happens, when we get the good email, or it tends to happen in my experience, anyway.

19:42 And I'm I'd love to know if anyone resonates with this. It tends to happen when I'm away from the desk.

19:47 Yeah.

19:47 Like the amount of times after our podcast, I check my phone after and there's an email, or when I wake up in the morning after my meditation, it's there. Or actually, when we're out having lunch, you know, you'll be like, babe, have you seen that sort of Instagram message? Like, if you're sat at the desk waiting for an opportunity or a phone call, it rarely happens.

20:05 Like, if I take us back to when we were waiting for our offer to be accepted on our house, literally, chorusam was the epitome of like being in the known. Like, why aren't they phoning? Why are we not hearing anything? And that went on for about 36 hours until eventually you surrendered, went and did a TM session.

20:22 And whilst doing TM and repeating your mantra, in the unknown, the phone rang within those 20 minutes. And it was just that like massive realization that in a world that's chaotic, we all have intentions to manifest. And I always say this, but the real intention is to master presence, or I should say, master being more in the unknown in a world that's designed to pull us from that and pull us into the known and pull us into the programming.

20:50 It is for us to get into presence and actually build that relationship with the very intelligence that's communicating with us and be open though in that space for it to land. Yeah. So that was a huge thing for me. But I'd love to know for you before I share a few other things. Because I will just say this, and I love this about you.

21:09 I've never forced you to do the work, have I? I've never, never, ever forced you. And I, you know, I was doing this work for about a year before Coruscant even sh even sort of off our own back said, I want to listen to that podcast with you, or you know, I've never forced you to read any of Joe's books or any other book, but something's changed in you since that.

21:29 Yeah, because I think um how I'd best describe it is that um and I don't just put this down to having Humphrey, I put this down to just life and the things that the things that you go through. Um I think if how I imagine it is that when you've got, you know, when you've got like furniture packed in your living room, right?

21:50 And you've got things plugged in everywhere, and just one of those things, whether it's let's just say it's your television, it won't work. Like it will partly work, but something's not quite. quite right, like it won't switch on fully. And you're like, I can't, I don't understand. Like, and then you peep behind the cupboard and you realise the plug is only half in.

22:08 It's not fully pushed in. I felt like my plug was it was in, it was resting in the socket, but it wasn't fully pushed in. And Joe slammed it back in and switched, switched it back on. Because he he said something like, you know, and he's no, there's no messing around and I love that. I love the straight talking.

22:28 And he there was a point at which like he wasn't just talking to me, but it felt like it what he said went into my soul. Uh there was a point and he just said you know like no one's gonna come and do it for you. Like you're the only person that can do this. And I just thought to myself what are you doing Khorasan?

22:47 Like why are you not like for and you know what that that that day I forced myself that that to to do every meditation and to give it my all and ideas and I had some profound experiences like some real uh like the ability to self-observe to a point where I was like really pulling my body back and it you know I was able to be really really present and I think the realization of like that I think in life what's scary is that the chase never ends of anything like you always you think you'll arrive you never do and you have to kind of you have to make peace of the fact that I think you spend a lot of time manifesting something a lot of time going you have to realise that you know there has to be a

23:33 point at which you you you kind of become you get become at peace and allow the unknown to come in rather than trying to control every aspect. So I really I really felt you know I felt very a a a sudden a huge wave of gratitude came over me during the meditation where I had my eye mask on and I felt people around me who were some you know th three people who were on the front row further down I could hear them having a conversation with each other saying we've been here since 5 a.m you know we just walked in like 20 minutes before Joe started to get our seats because we had named seats and I had to in that moment really sit and say there was a version of Corusand you know way way back working

24:22 in a corporate job sitting and doing Joe's meditations in the morning before I got up to go to work and I'm now here cut to you know 11 years later.

24:31 Not 11 years not even seven.

24:33 Yeah seven years later and I'm less than 10 years I should say less than 10 years later and he's right in front of me I've been invited to one of his events and it's we're just sat here enjoying it.

24:43 Well I think that just shows that like I think the real message that Corusand and I always want to portray is that you know we're not scientists we're not doctors. Corusand and I are researchers I'm a student really you know and so am I yeah of course like I I through this work developed my own formula and I get my own divinity and downloads from from the field of course you can't not when you do this work but you know we we're not affiliated in any way with Joe like we're talking from the heart we're not in any way getting anything from sort of like talking about his events and I think everyone should go you know come and see me but go and see Joe you know really go because it's powerful stuff.

25:21 I think it will force you I think it forces you as well to to go inward and I think if you really allow yourself to go to it with no preconceived ideas like don't go there hoping for a mystical experience or like come away from it thinking oh I didn't have one of those life changing meditations that people some people talk about you need to go with the the openness that you will get something from it.

25:45 I absolutely uh 100% agree and we'll talk about what we experienced in that room but there was one thing that I wanted to share I put you know they they have these slides that go in between breaks the photos and there was one with me in an eye mask pig on a huge screen and I said in my Instagram caption that I had a real experience in this meditation.

26:08 And look you know my intention for this whole retreat was wasn't to manifest anything I wasn't going there to manifest anything. I was going there to experience Joe. I was going there to soak it all in to be present with intent to allow the same things to land in a different way which it did but really the intent was to explore more of the nature and fabric of our reality and people may perhaps see through my writing and the stuff that I talk about and how I talk about Tom Campbell and Dean Raden and Riz Verk and uh Donald Hoffman how the more the deeper I go with this work the more I know that on a on a subatomic level it's energy.

26:54 But more importantly the better word is probably information. And you know you can't help when you do this work the deeper you go start getting into the territory of information theory which is you know simulation hypothesis and I I'm not saying for one minute we're living in a video game because I think that's the wrong metaphor but I actually think to loosely hold the concept that we don't know what this is it's definitely not real like we think it is and actually it lends credence in my opinion to perhaps it being some form of information simulation whatever that is you know and um I think that doesn't take away from how real this experience is I think it helps me understand that this isn't

27:34 as I know with connecting with my mum there's nothing to fear. I don't want to die and none of us do because this is a very real sort of emotional experience to help consciousness evolve. But I think what it does mean is is that the latest science and the latest teachers are all pointing in the same direction.

27:50 And I think if that is the case then it means that it's not fixed and it means that it can be adjusted and that's manifestation. We can adjust our reality now the one thing that I went into that event with was trying to understand that a little bit more. And I wrote down in my journal you know Joe mentioned the word virtual reality over 10 times.

28:11 He mentioned that you know this is a virtual reality he also said which I thought was hilarious he said he referred to our body as a renter car. And it's true you know that if if it is then you know we're incarnating into a physical body that's sort of a rental car. We're renting this body temporarily whilst we experience you know a physical reality.

28:31 But anyway so I had that intent to try and explore that more and there was one particular meditation I think it was I think it was the generous present moment where there was a void of sort of nothing and just music and Joe's on stages and he with the microphone and I had this eye mask on and I do this thing by the way with an eye mask try it out next time that I find that if I open my eyes weirdly in the eye mask obviously you you don't know whether your eyes are open or closed because it's a blackout eye mask.

29:03 But as I pierced through nothing I personally find myself just going just even deeper. Deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and all of a sudden in this eye mask bearing in mind like there is no way light can get in I start seeing this how can I even describe it's hard to describe but it was like a hologram that was all the colours of the rainbow initially imagine like tiny squares and it was showing me physical reality as tiny building blocks made from all the colours of the rainbow and we know we're only seeing the visible light spectrum anyway.

29:41 So okay so imagine that see like tables and chairs and everything else and I could see that and I could see sort of like almost the objects being made of these sort of like colours from the electromagnetic spectrum and then like then what happened though bearing in mind I'm piercing through the eye mask it then zooms me in through the fabric of and I haven't even really shared this with you through these little building blocks of whatever this is and then I got down to essentially like what is the substance or foundations of reality which was this it wasn't it was like it wasn't green like the matrix it was like more of a grey and it was grey and it was all like tied together like this unified

30:24 field linked together almost like neurons in a brain but like on the deepest level all I could see was like numbers zeros and ones and it w if you think of like a simulation well any simulation is maths at its core it's like binary it's zero and ones and and it's sort of like I was like wow like if if that is if that is like the nature of what this is at its core sorry I hope everyone's following and not getting switched off with what I'm saying.

30:54 Then I think that that's why if it really is numbers at its core or maths then that's why numbers especially like angel numbers have such an so much because if if you think of any like reality or video game you play it's fundamentally numbers it's code right and then the reality is built on top of that.

31:17 So if if a larger consciousness system is trying to get our attention it could even be us, right? And it wants to communicate with the renter car or the avatar we're playing how will it do it? Well it will do it through code and it will do it through numbers and therefore why is one of the biggest signs that most people get numbers well because numbers like Pythagoras said rule the universe and we've learned here to interpret what the numbers mean and put meaning to the numbers fours for new big uh for foundations threes for communication you know and I was just like I had this like wild moment where I was like wow and it was just truly like fascinating so I just wanted to I just wanted to share

31:58 that and look you know I'm not saying we're living in a simulation but I I know that this reality isn't fixed and I think what we should take from it is that our own observation has the ability to reorient what we think I think where that's really relevant is that it's then frightening if you get caught up in a program.

32:17 Yeah why Corusand because the program doesn't exist and you're creating it.

32:21 Well I think what's really important there if we can talk about that just a quick one I find it amazing how many people are totally unaware that Corusand and I have our own manifestation community called the Beyond Community. We launched it in early 2026 and it is by far one of the best apps that I personally use every single day.

32:44 And I know if you've got a dream, you are going to love this community. I'm not here to sell you the resources but just know that if you want to be in the best place to help you get towards whatever it is that you're seeking to manifest, you're gonna absolutely love everything that's in this community all the resources and all the people.

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33:26 And with that said back to the episode when you get caught up in a program you're living in matter so everything that's created is literally through you dragging your body through space and time so you're leaving zero room for anything like amazing to come in or any opportunities, synchronicities like the it's almost like switching off the magic.

33:53 It's like turning it all off which is so frightening because I think we all live in that stage at some point it's so easy to slip back into it when you get back into the the the the daily routine and the life and everything it's so easy to switch this off and go into the unconscious and become really unconscious of your thoughts and feelings emotions it's so easy so this is why doing this work going to these events going to in-person things meeting people switches you it's it uh it you have to it plugs you back in it forces you to plug back in and I actually think that I encourage people to you know I think if you can do a few a year make sure that you're checking in with yourself at each point

34:39 where am I you know am I doing am I at my best here am I you know am I really am I plugged in am I am I you know am I able to observe my thoughts you know if I have I got a fallen unconscious it just helps to keep you in check I 100% agree and I think I you know this isn't a coaching session of course um but I love you what you said there about the beliefs you know you said that you on that first day you went and spent the afternoon in Basel with Humphrey because you felt obligated to have a really good time but actually it was more of like you couldn't face I had had guilt for not being there.

35:16 Yeah you had guilt for not being there but also you had guilt for not being with Humphrey but but your body was pulling you away from like facing it. What word would you use for what you for what ultimately you could control that resulted in you then spending the second day or third day fully there? Like what what what was that?

35:41 Because you've got your program that pulled you away and then there's something in you that you overrode in a sense not necessarily forced or you you then moved your body the animal body that wanted you to stay with Humphrey it was soul it was soul soul that said what I tell you what it was we'd gone back into Balsa I do you know we had such a really lovely afternoon but we were walking around and if I'm being honest Humphrey was not interested he was not bothered really like he was pleased to see me for all about five minutes but it wouldn't it didn't make any difference me being there another five hours like it made zero difference it made more difference to me staying there actually than leaving

36:30 and uh I just sat there for a moment and I thought wow okay so my body's dragged me away from this right but my soul wants to be there and needs to be there.

36:47 Okay so there's someone so so what I'm saying here is there's something in between you've got a program and you've got the soul yeah I mean it's just like an intuition it's like a it's it's a knowing how important it is for me to be there.

37:03 There was a there was a there was a real knowing and there was a do you know what there was a there was a a a a a realization a a really frightening realisation that the guilt of not being there and the guilt of leaving right neither of them you can satisfy neither of them you can't satisfy the mum guilt and you can't satisfy the guilt of wanting to be ambitious or wanting to work or wanting to you can't satisfy either of them the only person that can satisfy them and and and sack them off is you and if you don't do that you will live in you will live in actually a a dysregulated bitter frustrated mind if you don't do that you have to take control physically you have to of your mind and you have

37:57 to say I give myself permission to be what I want to be I haven't got I'm not answerable to anybody and in order for me to provide this life for Humphrey and to to be the other half of what we're running and to to be the best version of myself I have got to go and sit in that meditation and feel and understand and observe and listen to myself because this is somebody who's been doing this work for decades.

38:25 He is the goat nobody will will overtake what he's done and the work that he has created and it is so important. He's he's I I have the opportunity to learn from him here in the flesh to listen to him to feel his energy not over YouTube in the flesh.

38:42 Yeah so I dragged myself back the second day well what what why that's so powerful because I think everyone can resonate with that in their own way about something they're going through perhaps they're currently in a situation a job yeah where they know they want to take the leap and quit or do something else or start their own business it everyone can copy and paste what you went through there in every other area of their life perhaps it's a relationship perhaps it's a business selling a business whatever it is you're never going to satisfy both because you've got the program you've got the fear but you said it you said control you said drag you said permission I tell you the one thing that going

39:25 back to that meditation that I had that I saw and I realized was what makes whatever this is meaningful in any way is what you've just said and it's actually choice yeah because we consciousness let's say is the ability to be aware that we have choice and unlike let's say other conscious things like animals their level of choices is limited in comparison to the levels of choices that a human gets to make the danger is we have so many programs and what I think we've lost and this is what the work that you and I are helping people with is realizing that if you're not conscious to those programs of fear and mum guilt and everything else you become the program.

40:15 Then you lose that choice and you or choice you could say is free will you lose choice or free will to a program.

40:22 Yeah and really what you did and what everyone else can do is you take back control, you take back choice and you realize that no this is like if yeah and I think I think the best way of describing it is like if you if your body's resisting but your mind is pulling and you know it's right because your mind bless it hasn't got the physical ability to keep you in keep you in a in one place your body is so much stronger really even though you wouldn't think it because your body can physically force you to stay somewhere in your mind it can force you to feel trapped it can it can it can send you into this like you know you don't really need to go you're comfortable here like you don't really need

41:05 to like you don't need to sit down in a like you know this world like why do you need to sit down all these other people they need it you don't need it that's what my brain was telling me and uh there was actually a part of me that was like well he won't know that I like he won't know that I've got like he's got eight and a half thousand people but then I was like but there was going to be a seat empty like he and he did because he basically stood on it next to me and he sort of like was if to say what if you remember yeah I mean no well yeah I mean I felt I felt that even though he wasn't and he probably didn't even notice you know I when when I came back that that second day I really felt him

41:45 almost say oh you came back did you yeah yeah but you know we we've just had on the podcast an amazing woman called Tamu Thomas.

41:55 Oh she's incredible you know she helps people flourish I mean it's hard to describe the work she does because she's so brilliant but you know if you imagine anyone in a capacity of you know a high performer or someone that works hard she really helps people flourish and find that sort of natural state.

42:11 And the one thing she really helped me with today and I think a lot of people can resonate with is that there's no such thing as a work-life balance. So I think there what you were trying to do is balance being at Joe's is a mixture of like personal development but work as well because the very same company that are hosting us host Joe let's learn from them and see what they do.

42:31 So that's work but then your life's unfolding and you don't want to miss out on Humphrey being in Switzerland for the first time with your mum and what are they doing and they're going through these quaint shops and they're having coffee well not Humphrey but you know what I mean and you really struggled with that and I think I do too and she said and so many people say it and I love it doesn't exist.

42:51 What she said does exist though is harmony and communication and you can harmony is there's like harmony is a lever where you communicate to let's say your mum and Humphrey and anyone else can resonate with this or perhaps look at their own life and you say I'm gonna be out of action for these next year.

43:13 I'm gonna be out of action because this is really really important but it's gonna finish on Wednesday and then you communicate that and your mum was like yeah great and Humphrey's not an age where he can understand and I really struggle to communicate sometimes effectively because you you know and then the then it then the harmony moves the dial of harmony can move then back to okay you saying to our team and our assistants look guys I'm out of action now when it comes to work because now we're still in Switzerland we're having uh we're having a some downtime in Zurich now from Thursday to Sunday um don't expect to reply and that's the harmony Back there and you communicate that.

44:02 But I think what we all do is we don't do that.

44:06 We don't do that, but we also Which I thought was correct. Yeah, I think that's I think that's that was so powerful what she said there. But I think it's also realising that in order to have the freedom and flexibility that I want to be able to have, it's going to require a level of work.

44:24 Yeah.

44:25 And I think I think that I think that I think we have to be able to say for us to get to where we are now, it's not been just a case of meditating and we're here. As much as I've had the most amazing visions and they've guided us to it, and it's been an amazing path. There has been a lot of work.

44:42 There has.

44:43 A lot of hard work, a lot of balance, a lot of like balance. A lot of balancing, a lot of going after things that are invisible and making getting comfortable and then throwing our life back up in the air in order to push ourselves forward. Yeah. And that that has to be said. So that does sometimes mean making sacrifices, and that does sometimes mean making difficult choices, but it's at the hand of knowing that what lies at the end of it, I think.

45:14 And that's what's really, really important. Because being there and the research and the invaluable lessons that we learnt from that pushes us even for further forward as to what we need to do and double down on. And it showed me uh what was missing, what's missing from us and what we do, what's missing from the people we work with, what's missing from our team, what the people we meet, the people that you need behind you, the element of what's needed to create and make it so seamless, all of these things.

45:47 Um because I think maybe what a lot of people didn't appreciate that were there, which I was massively appreciating, is how many other people are involved in that Joe's team and that and creating that. Sure. Um, so yes, I felt very privileged.

45:59 I think we we genuinely I think it's also a good insight, isn't it, into you know, I think obviously half of everything we do is complete manifestation, you know, complete getting into the unknown, complete visualization, really mapping that out, catching ourself falling unconscious, all of that work.

46:20 A lot of people say to us though, what is what what is a what does life look like? How are you doing it all? Some people would could easily say, Well, you didn't need to go out to Switzerland and do that. You've you've you know what Joe's going to talk about, but that's the very thing I think uh we're always investing in ourselves, always to to be the you know.

46:42 I I think I always say people say to me, because my book's called Beyond Wanting, does that mean I can't want? And I'm like, no, it's just that you have to move out of a state of wanting. So get clear first on what you want, but then immediately say this is the desire, and I need to get out of the state of wanting the desire, and I need to become the best version of me.

47:07 I am being the best version of me. So, for example, if my desire now, my want, my lack, and yours is to now take our work in person all around the world, do immersive workshops and change lives, well, we can't just sit and want that from our office. I are we need to embody the I or we are being the best versions of ourselves right now to embody what it takes to host amazing workshops.

47:38 So, therefore, we need to go and invest in ourselves and see and learn from the people that are mastering this on the highest level. Podcasts. The reason we're here in London doing this is because I was manifesting in-person podcasts in London to see how others were doing it, you know, and and so when people say, How do you manage it all?

48:03 Well, we don't really. There's so much going on, but we're constantly putting ourselves, aren't we, in situations. And I think for anyone also listening, I always try and bring this back to the listener. You know, we Corison and I, when we were manifesting our like our house in Cornwall, you know, the year or so before that, we were viewing houses and we genuinely didn't have like the money to buy those houses.

48:26 We didn't even know if we'd even get a mortgage at the time because we were self-employed back then and we didn't have enough books or whatever those traditional organizations say. You know, deposit, whatever. But we were viewing houses that people thought were completely unrealistic and way out, like, yeah, wishful thinking.

48:43 And we would view those houses just to get a sense of the person that we needed to be in order to buy that house. And we wouldn't we'd walk around that house or those houses, you know, knowing that we didn't have the money, but we needed to feel it.

49:02 Same for cars, but I think you have yeah, but I think you have to that there has to be a level of um you have to have a level of knowing and belief in yourself. You have to, you have to always sustain uh that belief that you're worthy and also that belief that you you can do it. And you know, a lot of people I hear a lot of people say that you know, I I I and I think it's just one thing that um Joe always talks about that I think is really powerful, that when he says a lot of people believe it, they just don't believe it can happen to them.

49:35 To them, yes, and I think that's the thing, like a lot of people will see the proof of the people doing it, but they genuinely then internalise this belief of like uh it won't happen to me. And I think there's that it's that realization that you have to stop watching the the Instagram posts of people showing things that they've achieved, and instead of going, Well, I haven't got that, go turn it into drive and turn it into uh a belief in yourself.

50:06 Don't see it as there's far too much stuff online of people showing off and uh and and and it actually giving people this huge dopamine hit, but then this drop afterwards of I haven't got that and really what we need so much more of in this world is people helping other people to believe that they can do this, and I think you know whenever I if I take myself way, way, way, way, way back, because so many people ask me all the time.

50:37 I get so many messages from people saying, you know, how do you and Matt, like, do you both, you know, maybe like my partner's not really into this work and I really struggle, like you don't need someone else, like no one else is going to come and make this any more real. Like you're the only person that can make it real in your mind.

50:53 You don't need your partner to be on board for you to believe in this work. You have to have completeness of faith and belief in yourself and your ability, and you also have to really sit with this realization that if you're just sitting watching what someone else is doing and not taking any action inside of you, like it's the action, it's it's really like it's really leaning in and believing and and seeing and visualizing.

51:20 And how can people take action?

51:23 Honestly, for me, it's by reverse engineering those steps. Yeah and and and and and and creating that vision, holding an intention, clear, a clear intention.

51:33 We often say you and I both don't people want to know what we're doing to their own. Even on the drive to Tiverton from Cornwall this morning, visualized time. Corus Anna and I are both saying, are we together right now 100% unified together on the next 12 months? Like, is there is there is there anything that's unclear?

51:51 Don't don't we?

51:52 Like 100% clear, but also ask answering why. So when you come up with a vision, let's just say, like, like it's really interesting because I actually had a message from someone the other day saying what they were looking to manifest, and I really wanted to message back and ask why.

52:10 Yeah.

52:11 And because you have to be able to answer, like, don't just say uh, you know, for me I want a million pounds a year. Why? You have to be able to like really reverse engineer the why, write that down to like, is it ego, or is it seriously like this is something the soul inside of you, this is this isn't, you know, this is like a an inner knowing.

52:32 Um, and I and I think that is so true, and I think genuinely just holding the belief in your your your abilities and staying so consistent with the work, you know, realizing that someone's gonna push you off, someone is gonna say something to annoy you, someone is gonna say something to frustrate you, someone is gonna knock that belief, it's all gonna be a test the whole day.

52:57 The journaling, the gratitude, the meditation, it's not even 10% of the work. The the rest is in the day.

53:04 With your eyes open.

53:04 Yeah. And it's and it's not, it's realizing that everyone slips, everyone, because you're not normal and you're not human if you're not. There's no one on this earth that doesn't slip. But it's realizing how quickly I think do you recover from it?

53:18 I think that is so powerful and so true. And I think the most powerful thing about that, and in fact, I had this exact conversation with a client the other day who told me a certain figure that he was trying to sell his business for, and I have absolutely zero doubt in his ability to get that. But the one thing he needed to work out himself was the energetic byproduct of why, like what he'd do with that money, and actually whether he could live the byproduct of that life on a lesser amount.

53:47 And if people are wondering how Corusan and I do that with our manifestations, it's very simply not like plucking a figure out of thin air for ego. It's like, okay, well, how do we want to evolve everything we're doing and what will that require? And and and and aiming for that amount. And I always say, like, dreams smaller to manifest faster, meaning that you know, I don't need this crazy wild thing.

54:10 Let's just be like, right, what where do we need to head? And it always, when you when you when you when you know it and feel it and believe it, and it's like, yeah, I'm clear, that's exactly it, always blows you away, always surpasses your wildest dreams, you know, always does. And um, I I think slight segue here, but someone that I think is a is a testimony of that is the largest YouTuber on the planet, Mr.

54:33 Beast. You know, only 10 years ago was he doing videos in his bedroom, you know, saying, and he posts he did these videos where he scheduled them to go out 10 years in advance. And that version of him 10 years ago was saying, Oh, I hope I have a million followers, you know. Now to this day, he's got 500 million subscribers, and he is the work he's doing around the world, like helping people building schools in Africa, he's giving like millions of dollars away in videos, and he started with nothing in his bedroom, but you know, he wasn't dreaming this big.

55:07 He wasn't. He there was no even said there's no way he would have predicted it. And even Joe said at his events he didn't plan for any of this, and that's the whole point, I think.

55:16 That you know, and I also think, don't you think there's something like you can really tell when someone's doing something from soul and not expecting anything in return. I'll tell you who else I thought of uh that Matt Armstrong that we watch. Who does it does? Really great guys, and he doesn't carry, yeah.

55:31 And you know what? Sometimes I watch it, and like for anyone that maybe does something they don't know about me, is I'm massively into cars, like hugely. If I could have a garage with like 25 cars, actually, me and a friend were talking about this, and we were like, him and I were listing what cars, and and like for me it would be it's not from like it's nothing to do with ego for me, it's like a love of cars, like a pure love.

55:55 What car do you like at the moment, see?

55:57 Oh, that's everything. It would be love. I mean like I love a G Wagon, but then I'll go as far as like loving a like a like a proper sports car, you know, that fits you and a shoebox, and that's about it. Yeah, like for me, there's just no, there's just no end then, you know, love of vintage. I love all these things, but what I was getting back to the point of this conversation is that um I love his YouTube because you can see, right?

56:24 He if anyone doesn't I like check him out, he's such a great guy, like does up cars, he he buys cars that are like you maybe have been in a car accident and he does them up. And honestly, he's such a talented guy. But what draws you in is he has this very true his love of what he's doing oozes through the screen.

56:43 You're not even thinking about the fact that he's earning millions millions off what is his YouTube channel. You're looking and going, This is a guy who's doing something that his soul loves, and isn't that the key then? Yeah, and like what comes out of it is just this, just this this um authenticity.

57:03 And I just think you know, when you do some something from soul, and you expect nothing in return, and just the love of doing it is enough to keep you going, what comes from that is just the most enormous amount of but abundance, not not in wealth, just wealth, in like this sense of fulfillment and purpose.

57:24 And I would say that there's a great saying that when you give, you receive, and when I say that, people say, Yeah, but I give all the time. And I go, but when you really give without the invisible string attached to what I might get, and you give and it's hard, but when you give from a place where you don't expect anything in return, you do just end up receiving.

57:45 Like I shared the story of when I first started out on social media whilst having another business, and I was giving all my value of manifestation. I never thought in my wildest dreams back then, it wasn't even I didn't even know you could make money with manifestation. I was never thinking about how I might make money.

58:01 I was for over a year just giving, giving from just because I love it. And and actually, I don't care, I don't genuinely don't care about money. Like, yeah, of course you need it. And then you know, the more money you have, the more we can scale the team and events, sure. But money isn't what drives me.

58:13 Like, what drives me is just being able to expand on the giving. Like, bring me 500 people, bring me a thousand, because if I can give to those many people, of course you're gonna make money, of course you are. Like, you know, you don't need to be Einstein to work that out. The more people you serve, the more you're gonna help.

58:27 But I think when you just focus on who can I help and how can I expand on the volume of giving, yeah, then you're just gonna, you know. But I think so many of us naturally focus on what we can what we can get from it, and I think that's dangerous. Anyway, I will just say to anyone tuning in that might be discovering us for the first time, because this YouTube channel or not just YouTube, if you're listening to us on any of the platforms, it's growing and it's great.

58:54 And you know, this is amazing. Uh, but if you want to have more um to do with Coruscant and I, and you're wondering, then obviously, you know, follow us on social media. The best place though to be fully up to speed with everything behind the scenes is definitely the Beyond community. I'm sure you've heard that pop up on this on this podcast.

59:13 But no, in all seriousness, inside there, I'm not even going to talk about the features and stuff. Go and check it out. There's a bunch of tools that are gonna massively help you change your life for sure. But it's just where Corusanne and I really hang out with the community. We share what's going on, we give people first refusal on events and keynotes and and what we're both doing.

59:32 And our retreats. Our retreats, yeah. It's a it's you know, it's if if if we really feel like we're building that community, there's no pressure to be part of it, but come and check us out if you're not in there. Otherwise, thank you, thank you, thank you, and thank you to you for a great conversation.

59:46 We'll see you in another episode soon.