NOT A MIRACLE! Christa Pike Alive, Walking, and Furious! Execution Botched!

0:10 Well, it would appear, my friends, that we have had a miracle in Nashville, Tennessee. From the reports that I'm hearing, we have someone that has pulled back from the brink of death and is now talking and ambulating, by the way, after having undergone an attempt at execution. Do miracles still happen? Well, according to Krista Pike's attorneys, apparently they do, because they're using that kind of terminology. Today, we're going to go back and take a look at what went wrong with Krista Pike's execution attempt. And what does the future hold regarding her life or death? I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Body Bags. Brother Dave, I got to tell you, I'm a sucker for a miracle. I love to see miracles.

1:25 You know, I don't know that I've ever actually seen one. like where somebody's got one leg shorter than the other, and all of a sudden it begins to extend before my eyes, scales falling off the eyes. I was blind. Now I can see people being able to hear. I know a lot of people say that that can happen, but I've never actually seen something like that manifested. Brother, we're not talking about physical maladies that you might have like that. We're talking about a certified miracle, and that is a way that these attorneys are apparently using framing these events. Nothing like this has ever happened in the history of mankind, certainly in medical science. What say you, my friend?

2:10 That they don't know what a miracle is.

2:14 It's not a miracle when doctors use everything they know how to do and all the medical treatment to turn around a situation.

2:21 That's why we have Narcan and other drugs.

2:24 They used everything within their power to reverse what had been done and To be honest, I think they broke the law in doing it because her sentence was to die by lethal injection. They gave her lethal injection two times, and then they did life-saving measures to keep her alive. Now, Joe, if they do not intercede and do these life-saving measures and then hook her up to a ventilator, if they didn't do all that, she would have died. Now, the goal was for her to die. There's not a time limit.

2:58 It's just lethal injection until you're dead, right? And so we inject you, the chemicals take the effect on you, and then you die. Well, they stopped the process. And that's my problem. Why did you stop? Why did you... That's like a guillotine coming down and you stick a metal object to prevent the thing from all the way coming down and getting in the neck.

3:20 I mean, this is.

3:22 This is Superman jumping in front of the bullet, you know, before it hits.

3:26 Yeah, this is all they did to me because, again, life-saving measures were used. That's not a miracle. A miracle would be.

3:38 That they stuck the medicine in and she dies on the table.

3:43 And, you know, okay, she's gone. Clock it. It's 103. And, uh, yeah, she, she's dead, not breathing, no heartbeat. Okay, great. Okay. Close the curtain. Let's wheel her out.

3:52 And they cover her up and everything else. And as they're taking her out of there, she gets up off the gurney and does a little dance. Like she's going to audition for stomp or something and maybe sings an aria.

4:01 And there you go. There's your miracle. That's a miracle. And then, then I might think, okay, where is her husband Lazarus? Because he's the last one I can remember doing this.

4:13 So, well, I got to tell you, I, uh, What would have been a miracle would have been to have seen Colleen's body reconstituted and appear before us. That would be a miracle. But, of course, we can't do that, can we? You know, because Colleen has been cremated, and we're still missing part of her mortal remains. Because of Kristen Pike. Yeah. And, you know, regarding the skull... You know, I think about Colleen's mother who drove all the way up there, had to have funding in order to do it.

4:50 Had to skip a house payment, Joe. She actually had a decision.

4:53 Do I make my mortgage payment this month or do I go see the execution of the woman that took my daughter from me?

4:59 Yeah, I wonder, you know, and I'm not I guess you could say I'm being a bit, as a British say, a bit cheeky here. But I really wonder. I wonder if the state of Tennessee even offered to pay her mileage. If they offer to put her up in a hotel somewhere, it doesn't have to be a fancy hotel, they give her per diem, you know, yeah, we want to bring you here. I'm thinking probably not.

5:22 I'm just thinking there's plenty of other people that if they knew they would help.

5:25 Oh, of course they would have.

5:26 Because the first thing I thought of when I found out, my first thing was, okay, tell me where to send the money. I'll go get you the money. I mean, there's help available. By the way, friends, if you need help with something and you don't tell anybody... You're not allowing us to help you. I'm telling you, help is available.

5:45 You have to be humble. And it sucks asking for help.

5:47 I get it. But I'm going to be honest with you.

5:49 You don't have to skip a mortgage payment to go and see what you hope for.

5:53 Justice.

5:54 There's plenty of us that would. I mean, there are certain things that I wouldn't want to fund for somebody. But, you know, I think that, and this goes to a broader topic here. I think that Colleen's mama had been, she's been, let's face it, on this very dark journey, essentially by herself, you know, for many years, I know that she's got friends, I know that she, but she, none of them are Colleen's mama. It's a unique path that mothers have to walk, rather, in the loss of a child, and how much more so when she has to sit back and look at all the remembrances of Colleen, you know, either on a picture on a bureau, maybe her baby shoes, a rattle that was left behind, and maybe some kind of school pictures, you know, that are there.

6:47 That's the journey that she's been on. And this has been over 30 years, three decades, Dave, and that she has been kind of walking down this road.

6:58 And you know something else she has to live with, Joe?

7:00 What's that?

7:01 She has to live with Colleen. Was it Job Corps?

7:05 Yeah.

7:06 And she was there for a reason. Job Corps serves multiple purposes. I don't know if it still does, but at that time, at this place, whereas Krista Pike and her other friends, they were there because they were miscreants, you know, malcontents.

7:24 They were in trouble.

7:25 And they were at Job Corps as a second chance to avoid an early trip to jail. That wasn't Colleen. She had her issues and things, but you know what? Her mom, she and her mom decided this would be good for you. This would be a good place for you to get grounded, to get started.

7:41 And you know what?

7:43 Having read through everything, I thought it was too for Colleen. I thought this is a good idea. Well, Colleen was being bullied by Krista before this night. The reason she was killed was because Krista Pike to Daryl Shipp and Shadola. Well, Krista Pike had been terrorizing Colleen. She had been bullying her.

8:04 Bullying her enough that Colleen reached out to her mom. Colleen and her mother had an agreement. And this is what her mother has to live with. And that's why it breaks my heart for her, Joe. The agreement was she would do this. Because her mom knew what was best. Her mom knew she needed this. And I will tell you, parents, most of the time, looking out for their child's best interest, all of us would much rather have our children, even in their late teens and early 20s, we'd love for them to just be at home. I mean, hang out with, you know, and, but we know it's not best for them.

8:39 And so we do try to push and mom knew it was best for Colleen to do this. And even when Colleen called and said, look, I'm really getting bullied here. I'm getting terrorists. We don't know to what level Colleen talked to her mom, but we do know that the last time they spoke, Colleen said.

8:56 I really want to leave.

8:58 Yeah.

8:58 I really want to come home, mama. And mama said, Colleen, You need to be there, baby. You need to finish what you started.

9:05 And it was the next night.

9:08 And all I could think of is that Colleen, in that fear of Krista, that she looked at it as, hey, this is an answer to prayer. She wants to bury the hatchet. She wants to, let's get together. Let's smoke the peace pipe. Let's be cool. Let's be pals. Okay, we'll put the bullying behind us. And that's why Colleen was willing to You know, they signed out of the dorm.

9:34 They didn't sneak out. They signed out of the dorm. She was going because this was, no, they weren't going where they said they were going to go. But, you know, going to go and hash this out and we're going to be pals. All the bullying is going to end. This was a solution Colleen wanted and was hoping for.

9:50 Yeah.

9:50 All the while, the bully, the devil herself, never. She bullied her from the very beginning to the very end. And one thing it gets missed you and i've covered this show.

10:02 During that horrific i don't even call it a beating because it was so much more than that but you know two different times two different times colleen got up and tried to run.

10:14 She's stripped of her clothing. She's been beaten. She's been scratched. She's been cut. And she's still fighting for her life, begging. I won't tell anybody. Just let me go. She runs away and gets tackled and drugged back. Think about that for a minute. This poor girl, she fought for her life, knew she was going to die. She knew what evil had befallen her, and she was trying to get out.

10:36 And the woman that everybody's crying about now is the one that had been terrorizing her, Joe. Yep.

10:42 Krista Pike is not a miracle.

10:44 No, she is not. She's far from it. She is a horror story. And let me give you one more that I'm thinking about right now. Not only did Colleen start off on this journey there through Job Corps in Knoxville and trying to bring light into her life, maybe some learning, and then At the end, she's promised something that doesn't come to fruition because, like you said, they were going to bury the hatchet, right? Of course, this winds up in absolute horror. But reflectively, as terrifically ghastly as that is, I'm thinking about Colleen's mother right now.

11:35 And I'm thinking how, I don't know, is it irony? That it would seem as though that Colleen's mom has been on an equally unpromising journey where she has been offered something. She has been told that something was going to happen. And for 30 years, over 30 years, she has been tortured in her brain over this. You can call it whatever you want to. You know I don't like to work closures. But at least it was going to be the end of one chapter and maybe moving on to another. But just as Colleen's assaulters, perpetrators, murderers led her down this path, I submit to you, the state of Tennessee has led Colleen's mama down a similar path with a horrific ending. Music Brother Dave, one of the things I've thought about from a procedural standpoint, and

12:45 I think I have mentioned this. I know I've mentioned it. I'll put it to you this way. This past week, I don't think my dance card has been this full since maybe Idaho. Because I've had a lot of people reaching out to me on various platforms and I'm doing appearances and whatnot, news. And I've had some time to kind of look back and think about all of this.

13:16 And right now, I'm very curious because something has occurred in the state of Tennessee in the wake of this massive failure regarding Krista Pike. And I'm going to throw a word out to you.

13:33 Evidence. Oh, no.

13:35 Evidence. Because we have now Krista Pike's legal representatives.

13:41 That we're paying for.

13:42 Yeah, that we're paying for. They, and to their credit, they did their job. They said, we want everything you have that was in that death chamber. We want all of the notes. We want all the catheters. We want any kind of needles. We want tubing. We want the medication. And it is not to be... All of this is to be considered to have evidentiary value. Well, they said they wanted that, and they did a filing. And guess what, Brother Dave? They got it before a judge, and the judge agreed. The judge says they are to retain every bit of this. So now... And this is so bizarre for you and I to be talking about on one level because, you know, we talk about death investigations. I mean, that's our bread and butter, right? That's what we do

14:36 on body bags. But now we're looking at this from the evidentiary value of these items that were meant to bring about Krista Pike's death in a very humane way, certainly compared to what this precious little Colleen went through. And now how do you unspool all of this stuff? Because they're going to go over this everything segment by segment by segment by segment. And a lot of this stuff that's kind of, and this is one of the things that I'm curious about. A lot of the stuff that's kind of hidden, because I've talked to a few people that work in the area of capital punishment from a legal standpoint. a lot of even notes that they request, some of the stuff is redacted. This ain't JFK. All right.

15:30 I think that we're going to get a real insight here into who's involved. Maybe some kind of explanation as to the timeline. Hopefully we're going to find out who in the hell was in charge of this clown show. Because, and the reason I'm, I feel so... I don't know. I'm just really vigorously engaged in this case. And one of the reasons is that, first off, I don't like people who don't follow rules. I have to follow rules.

16:08 You have to follow rules. When there are protocols in place, you follow the protocol, right? And you understand your job. And this is a massive failure. So this impacts... This impacts... right now all over the country that avail themselves still to this day of capital punishment. It's not going to impact those that have kind of done away with. But because of what has happened in Tennessee, and you mark my words on this right now, this, in my opinion, not a lawyer, but this, in my opinion, is going to make it to the U.S. Supreme Court. This information is going to make its appearance in that esteemed body.

16:55 And they're going to be talking about things like cruel and unusual at this point in time. They're also going to talk about the Eighth Amendment, you know, where they talk about people because the term double jeopardy has come up and all these sorts of things. How do you interpret double jeopardy and all these sorts of things? All these little nuanced legal things are going to, they're going to burst on the horizon all because some bureaucrat could not do their job, brother.

17:22 You know, when we get right down to it, the whole idea of this lethal injection, again, going back to we needed to be cruel. It cannot be cruel and unusual punishment. We have to take their life in a peaceful way.

17:36 And yet.

17:39 This seems so cruel, you know, to everybody else that our only concern is for the person we're putting to death. And our actual real thoughts should be for the people left behind, for the loved one who's now no longer with them, not the criminal. But our justice system really does fall on the side of the criminal. And we have lawyers, bless their hearts, they feel strongly about these things.

18:00 And Joe, here's my suggestion, okay? And I mean this. Once you're asleep, right? You don't know what's going on. So if we put the individual to sleep, And then we chop their head off or do whatever we want.

18:17 They don't know. We put them to sleep. Use propofol. I mean, it goes in. You don't even know.

18:24 I remember I had a CT myelogram and this big burly guy. And he goes, when they start putting the stuff in your IV, just lean forward. And he goes, because you're going to be out real quick. I'm like, no way, man. I'm a grown man. Nothing works like that for me. And he's a big guy. And he's got this towel right here. He goes, no, just lay your head here. I don't want you to hurt yourself when you fall over. And I'm like, how far? How many seconds are we talking? He said, you started 100.

18:52 You're not going to make it to 97.

18:53 Yeah.

18:55 And I said, yeah, I will. How much you want to bet, man? And he goes, sure. Hand me your wallet. You're going to lose. And 100. 99. That's all I remember. I was out. So do that.

19:07 It's the Michael Jackson milk, okay? You drink some of that in the IV. And you know what, Joe? If you can't get an IV started on somebody, go back to nursing school.

19:20 Well, no. I've got to tell you, whoever did this, first off, if they do, in fact, have a license, they no longer need to have a license. I don't know who in the hell this is. Did you know that It is estimated that there are over a billion IV catheterizations that take place every year all around the world.

19:41 Oh, wow.

19:41 A billion with a B. Because right now, as you and I are chatting, okay, there are nurses. there are technicians uh either in hospitals or that are riding on the backs of ambulances right now or in some clinic somewhere and guess what brother They're having to start an IV. It is one of the most basic things. And I'm not saying that it's easy. Don't misconstrue what I'm saying.

20:10 I'm not saying that it is easy. But it's like swinging a golf club or swinging a baseball bat. You might have the potential to be a really good batter, okay? But it calls for practice and redundancy of that exercise over and over and over again.

20:30 Yeah, we should get it. We should get drug addicts.

20:34 Well, actually, somebody popped into one of the discussions on one of my platforms. I can't remember what it was. And it's like, I live and this person is saying, where I live, we've got IV drug abusers all over the place here that could have done a better job.

20:50 They can find a vein in a toe, man. They can find a vein in your private parts. They can find a vein in your neck. They find them everywhere. It's like... So let's just get one. I'll tell you, we'll offer you. Here's what we'll offer you. We'll offer you methadone, fentanyl.

21:08 I don't care.

21:09 Offer the drug addict something to come in and jab the needle. They'll line up for that all day long. But I'm not being funny here. The bottom line, Joe, is if a shaky drug addict who is going to die if they don't get this next hit can find a vein when they don't even have it. They got train tracks. They got tracks running all over. They find a vein behind their ear. And we've got professionals. in a clinical setting in Tennessee that cannot apparently find a vein.

21:36 We have a doctor who back in May tried a procedure in a guy's chest and gave him a stroke. You know, the guy had a stroke the last time they tried to do this in Tennessee. So the last two times, the same doctor has been in charge overseeing this. And both times it's gone to hell in a handbasket. Gee golly gee whiz, beef. Why don't we find somebody else to do this?

21:56 Yeah, and that's one of the problems with this all along the way, I think, because this is something procedurally that requires you to be up to speed. And you want to hear a really ironic point here. You talked about life-saving measures. And God knows, I love our paramedics. EMTs, paramedics out there that help us every single day, they are some of the coolest cats going, all right? Because they go to places that even as an old death investigator, I cannot imagine. And they're there by themselves many times.

22:33 It is a tough job. And their ability to assess a circumstance inside of environment is absolutely amazing. And then to render treatment, guess what I bet they were able to do in the back of the.

22:49 Oh, did they get an IV started, Joe?

22:51 They had to have started an IV in the back of that ambulance. Do you know why they could start an IV? Because they do it every day.

22:59 Then why did they just.

23:00 Turn around and roll it back in behind the curtain, Joe?

23:02 Because they're not part of the team. And this is a closed loop.

23:08 Why were there life-saving measures?

23:11 Why?

23:12 The goal is to end your life. Our job here is for you to not come out of here alive. Look, there's five of us here behind the curtain. Four of us are going to walk out. One's going to get wheeled out, and it's you.

23:26 I mean, why? I mean that, Joe.

23:29 One of the things that was requested by the attorneys, and the judge, the chancellor went after this. She said, I want 911 call records. I want to know the first call that was made to 911. I want to know what was said. They want to find out what's going on because you know what? Something sinks to high heaven.

23:46 And when you have a problem like this in that setting, that's why so many people are going, Joe, how is this even possible? You get past the whole thing. Like I told you, man, you know, our Liz Troy, who God bless you, Liz. She was like, Dave, I thought you were going to go up to Nashville and kick the plug, you know?

24:04 And I'm like, That was our last episode.

24:07 It just boggles my mind that you're there to take a life.

24:11 That's the sentence. And everybody in here is on the same page with that.

24:15 Why are life-saving measures even part of the dialogue at all?

24:21 Yeah, I don't understand that particular part of it. And here's another thing. They've gone down this road now with lethal injections. And I have to remind everybody that Tennessee had a cocktail for a while, and they got away from the cocktail, and they went to Pentobarbital, which, by the way, there's people that don't know Phenobarbital and Pentobarbital come from, they're both in the barbiturate family. And barbiturates have been around, I think, since 1903, 1904. It ain't a new drug family, all right? But pentobarbital works a lot quicker than phenobarbital, all right? And so it has different utility. I can't remember if I explained this before, but I'm going to go ahead and say it anyway.

25:14 You guys don't mind.

25:15 I know.

25:17 Pentobarbital is one of the drugs that's administered in order to put people into a medically induced coma, okay? So it affects... The medullary area of the body or the brain stem, so you've got the medulla oblongata, the medulla in there, that's kind of where the autonomic nervous system is housed within that. And so the idea is to get the drug into the system, get it to that particular area, and then as that happens, it begins to, you know, it's pulling the shades on life, if you will. And, you know, we've got these reports of her where they're hearing or we've heard a couple of things. And this is why it's so important that we have every every bit of data so that we can understand where the

26:11 failure was here. We've had people we had. I know one reporter that I was on the air with, I think probably on Nancy's show where she states or stated that she could hear her snoring at one point in time. Many times snoring is like one of those precursor events that happens before people slip off into a coma. I don't know what happened relative to what went on when they pulled those shades down. But what they're saying right now relative to Krista Pike being in the local hospital is something that I don't think that we ever saw coming.

26:53 And to that end, what else does the future hold in this case? One of the things that has kind of boggled my mind along the way, because we've covered other capital cases, capital punishment cases. As a matter of fact, we famously did our first case of nitrogen uh, execution, uh, here in Alabama kind of went sideways, you know, uh, to say, to say the least.

27:31 Right.

27:31 Um, and we also talked about, do you remember last? Well, yeah, it was still 26, right? Confused in 25. You had the guys with the, on the firing squad over in South Carolina that missed.

27:45 Oh my gosh.

27:46 That missed. So it's, it's, It's interesting to me, and what's really interesting is now you got this guy from Fort Hood that the feds are getting ready, or not the feds, the military are getting ready to execute. And the president's already signed the order on it. We know that it's coming, and it is going to be a firing squad. If the soldiers that are assigned this task, if they miss, I'm throwing my hands up at that point in time. Back to the case at hand, one of the things that she was complaining about, now just give me a little rope here. One of the things that she was complaining about.

28:23 Actually, you know what, Joe?

28:24 What's that?

28:24 If that's something they'd have had in Tennessee, a little bit of rope, we could have taken care of this.

28:28 I knew. That was a hanging curveball.

28:30 Yeah, and it could have been a hanging rope. There you go.

28:33 It could have been.

28:33 Joe needs to be in charge of all of these from now on.

28:36 I can barely manage my own life. I don't want to be in charge of anything else.

28:39 Of ending those? Nice. All right. Here's your rope. Go. Yeah.

28:44 So she's talking about feeling this tension that's building up in her arm. Okay. She's also mentioning that her arm feels like it's on fire. That's a real thing, by the way, with pentobarbital. It causes burns, actually. It can't. And I know that many of you guys are saying, good, I'm glad it's happening. Not good in the sense that we would not be having this discussion right now had they done what they were supposed to do. And now she's alive. So before you get off on that track and you begin to think that way, check yourself, all right?

29:26 Because now the situation has completely changed to the point where I think that we've reached critical mass here because of this singular event. It's amazing how stupid decisions... affect the rest of the group, right? That's why we always have to create new laws and rules many times because stupid people don't follow the rules. So we all have to pay the price for it. That's what's happening here, all right? So it's my thought that when, and you know, we've heard this whole thing about the seven, seven needles, uh, that in these, these things come in components. So you have a needle that pierces the skin and essentially after the needle pierces the skin, the vessel itself is catheterized.

30:14 That means that you have a hollow tube that goes in and it's inset. As a matter of fact, you can, the cool thing about an IV line, if there can be anything cool about it, is that the way it's created, is that it flexes with you. You can move and it's not going to come out. Well, she's talking about burning.

30:33 She's talking about tension. This med is being loaded into the sub-Q fat, probably, which is that layer that's right beneath your dermis. It insulates your entire body. We've got sub-Q fat in various depths throughout the body, but it's there. It went in there or it went into the muscle, one of those two places. It did not go into a vessel, all right? So what I'm procedurally, one of the things that I'm very curious about is why is it that they do not establish what's referred to as a central line before the individual ever comes into the room?

31:20 And this is something that medical personnel have done for years and years. I'm thinking back in the old days when you used to have what's called the sub-clave line that was right here. That's called a central line. They put them in in a variety of places where you have a dedicated line where you know that that catheter is resting. It's seated in there. Some of them require stitching to hold it in place. And when you get in there, guess what you have to do? You hook up the IV and you initiate the thing. and it starts to drip. You're pressing buttons, whatever the mechanism is that they're using. That's guaranteed. Instead, you're relying upon this delivery system, which they screwed up. I still don't understand

32:09 how they screwed it up. But after she has been injected with two doses, which is five milligrams, the first dose, I think it's five, the second dose, it's enough It's enough to kill somebody if you're in the vessel. So you've got this medication now that's free-floating in her interstitial tissue arm, okay? It's in there. It's just kind of floating around. Well, what's going to happen to it? How does your body metabolize it? Well, it begins to be absorbed.

32:45 But here's the problem because people say, you know, well, she's already got the medication in there. Why didn't she die? Good question. I'm glad you asked it, okay? because this medication is to be taken in intravenously, and then it goes directly to the centers in the brain, and it begins, like I said, to pull the shades on life. Now you have to wait for the stuff to metabolize when it's just kind of floating around in there. So she kind of slips off into a coma. Well, to your point, she had gotten to the point where maybe she would have died had they allowed her to be on the table, but because she didn't die instantaneously, and there is no real instantaneous death. You were talking about propofol a little

33:36 while ago, you know, if you've ever had that, you know, and you've had that darkness that just kind of falls over you, you wouldn't die immediately. And You know, there's a process and it generally takes a few minutes for this to happen, you know, and the doctor comes in and they check you and all this sort of stuff.

33:52 I'm talking about in the execution chamber. Well, they get her to the point where she is comatose because we understand now that she can't breathe on her own, brother. She's got to have a machine to facilitate this for her. Now, they're also taking other life forms. saving measures because it's not like they just threw on a ventilator and parked her in the ICU and just kind of sit back and twiddle their thumbs and wait. No, no, no, no, no.

34:25 They're administering medication to neutralize anything else that's in her system. They're also flushing her. There are times I've read about times where people have ingested pentobarbital and they'll do things like blood perfusion. They'll do things like dialysis. And I don't know what steps they took with her yet because none of that stuff has been released. I don't know how they are treating her at this point in time.

34:53 Because now, even as we speak, I have just got an alert that says that she's up, she's ambulating, and she's ingesting food.

35:03 Yeah.

35:03 Okay? And so she's communicating.

35:06 And Joe, she's mad. That's why she's communicating.

35:11 Please tell me what she said again. uh, it was like, what, who are you and where am I?

35:17 And who are you?

35:18 See, when she first woke up, those are the first things that she said. Now in my twisted mind.

35:24 Okay.

35:24 I thought if I was in charge of this room, okay, I would be, I'm talking red lights, maybe some flames. I'd light a bunch of candles. And when her little eyes came over and she went, Who are you?

35:37 Who do you think?

35:40 You know? Yeah. Where am I? Hell! Yeah. Yeah.

35:44 And that's, I think a lot of people are saying that, you know.

35:47 But yeah, that's what she did. She woke up.

35:49 It's a miracle. God intervened. I'm thinking, I don't know how much.

35:53 God had to do with this.

35:55 No.

35:55 But you know what, Joe? The thing is, is that she did wake up. Who are you? Where am I? Okay. Well, I'm a doctor or a nurse or whoever happened to be there. And you're in the hospital. We saved your life. Yeah.

36:06 And her thought, it was like, well, I thought I was being put to death, but they changed their mind.

36:12 Okay.

36:12 I mean, Joe, that's why I'm saying, why are life-saving measures even considered when the whole goal of doing this was to end the life, carrying out the death sentence? You have prepared her. You've prepared everybody else. She knows you're going out.

36:29 She's laughing. She's cackling.

36:30 She's having a high old time. And That's why Colleen's mother is even more upset. Colleen's mother, I knew it wasn't going to happen. That's her mindset, Joe. You were talking about her earlier. Her mindset, I knew it wasn't going to happen. I knew something would happen, and she was not going to die. And it's like, look, man, I don't wish anybody death, okay?

36:51 I don't.

36:51 I know I make jokes and things like that about this, and I'm not a fan of Krista Pike at all. But I'm not in favor of us torturing people. But I am in favor of, look, if we're going to have the death penalty, then let's have the death penalty. Let's have backup measures for this. Again, that's what I say.

37:11 Put them to sleep so they don't know what's coming. And then whatever your method of death, it doesn't matter. Because our goal is to not create a situation that's bad for this person that we're.

37:22 Killing, right?

37:23 Cruel and unusual? Let's sing them a song. We'll hit them with the propofol. And then, you know, guillotine. Chop the head off, man. I mean, They don't know what's coming, right?

37:34 And I don't know what the end solution is going to be here, but I think that the landscape is greatly going to change.

37:43 You know what happened in Texas?

37:45 You were talking about that we're going to have, well, you know, in Huntsville, Texas, they did have another lethal injection death. The first one since Chris DePike was not killed. And it was the same thing. Penobarbital, same medication used in Huntsville, Texas. The guy, Jamal Howard, he's 46 years old.

38:06 In the year 2000, he killed a clerk at a convenience store and it was all caught on surveillance video. He was sentenced to death and they carried out his sentence using Penobarbital. The same thing they were doing in Huntsville, in Nashville. So the problem here is not the drug, not the method. The lethal injection worked just fine for him.

38:31 Why are they having problems in Tennessee? Is it the people in charge? And they're doing it on purpose. They're doing it on purpose so they can get rid of the death penalty, Joe.

38:40 Wow. It's got to be that way.

38:41 I've had other people say that, and I think that that is an interesting perspective on all of this. Because I've got to tell you, if you're looking at this from that perspective alone, this is, again, this is the cornerstone for creating an environment which would eradicate it. And look, there will be attorneys that will take this issue up, I think, starting with these people that are on her team, if you will. And there will be bigger firms that will be involved in this. And they're going to prep this and they're going to take it all the way through.

39:17 They're going to take it all the way through, I think. And particularly if they try to initiate a second round with her. Okay. Where they say, okay, it failed this time. It failed this time. We're going to try it again next year. And I've heard people say that. I think this governor in Tennessee is out of office in November, if I'm not mistaken.

39:39 Yeah, Governor Lee is.

39:40 But, Joe, the election coming up in Tennessee, the Republican, Marsha Blackburn, She is in favor of capital punishment.

39:51 Yeah. The Democrat is not.

39:53 So if Governor Lee, who has called a halt to all executions between now and the end of the year, he will not leave office January 1. The election is in November. He will leave office the third week of January. So if the Democrat wins, Lee could move this— execution into that time frame before he leaves office.

40:17 It ain't going to happen. I mean, he can do that.

40:19 Yes, legally.

40:20 I don't think it's going to happen. You know why? Because I think that anybody that is on Team Pike is going to go to a federal court somewhere and they're going to do a filing and the feds are going to stop this. They're going to stop it and it's going to begin to make its way up in that environment. That's what I kind of see happening here That's just, you know, my rudimentary, very rough take on it.

40:50 I don't because it's so this is such a train wreck at this point in time. I mean, it really it really is.

40:59 I need to add something. Yeah, I need. Yeah, I need to be clear because I mentioned the Republican Marsha Blackburn. Yeah. The Democrat running is a woman named Jerry Green. I just want to be clear. I'm not trying to. favor one over the other.

41:12 I'm just trying to let everybody know that those are the people running. Marshall Blackburn is a Republican. Jerry Green is a Democrat. One is anti, one is pro death. And there you go.

41:24 So I just want to be fair.

41:26 I'm thinking right now about the nature of how all of this has gone down and how it went so bad so quickly. And I still have to go back to to this idea that they have a protocol in place, brother, where 30 days beginning, 30 days out from the moment that has been declared as the day that this is going to go down, it's mandatory that on that 30th day prior to, you start a session of meetings along the way. And these things are benchmarked on the calendar.

42:05 And in each one of these kind of markers, There are certain tasks that you have to accomplish, right, along the way. And part of that, Dave, is training or retraining, you know, kind of knocking the rust off or whatever it is. I mean, they get it down to, you know, this person's going to be on this arm. This person's going to be on this arm. This person's going to be on this leg. You're going to do the strap around the midline. You're going to do the strap across the chest, that sort of thing. You're going to stabilize her head or whatever the case. That's how this is kind of mapped out. So when I'm looking at this from the perspective, and I've been involved in a lot of civil cases as a death investigator where I have

42:54 to go give depositions, talk about my assessment of what I saw at scenes and this sort of thing where somebody died. I'm thinking that, Dave, all of this is going to be brought into the light. Going back to the moment that those people meetings initiated? Who was in charge of the training? And take us through exactly how those training days went leading up to all of this.

43:20 What were the discussions that you had? Were you in there and you were watching a PowerPoint and people were giggling and grab assing in there? Or were people really serious about their jobs? Because they knew that the state of Tennessee had said, this is mandated. This is what we have to do. This is how we accomplish the task. Now, go forth and do. And I want to know how all of that went. I'm going to want to know about the status of the drug that they were using because I can tell you that's going to come up in conversation. And that's something that has happened for folks that have not heard this before. One of the big arguments that attorneys will make in the camp of anti-capital punishment when it comes to the drugs, they're going to

44:06 want to know when the drug was manufactured. Has it been tested? Okay, what's the purity of the drug? I think that might be one of the reasons that Tennessee went with pentobarbital as a standalone because every element that you add to it, if it's a three-drug cocktail, well, now you've got three drugs you have to validate, right?

44:27 But, Joe, let me just throw, for those of us who are not doctors and maybe we did fall asleep or we glanced over at a, a friend's paperwork on those tests in biology and chemistry.

44:41 I look at the math.

44:43 In Huntsville, Texas, since 1982, they've been doing lethal injections. And they've had 602 lethal injections in Huntsville, Texas. Again, most recent one yesterday from the day we're taping this. And yet they haven't had one botched execution yet. We've had two in Tennessee, and so I'm telling you, using the exact same drug in Huntsville and no botched executions, and two in Tennessee with the same doctor in charge of both, and we've got two failures in Tennessee and none.

45:20 602 since 1982, Joe, not one botched. That tells you everything you need to know. Something is going on here. I'm not playing conspiracy. I'm playing math.

45:32 Yeah, yeah, you're right. And so something ain't right. I would argue that, well, if capital punishment is still going to be a thing, which I got to tell you, I used to be over 50%. Now I'm under 50% thinking about the chances of it surviving, no pun intended, because of a screw up like this. You know, it might behoove people in Tennessee, take a trip down to Huntsville, Texas and find out, gee whiz, what are you guys doing down here? Who's in charge of the situation? Or maybe to Florida. I don't know because I think that Tennessee and Texas kind of work at the same pace relative to that. And again, I go back to, I don't care if you think it's gruesome. It makes no difference to me. The reality is this is a practice

46:23 skill when it comes to IVs. If you ain't doing them, then you're going to have a problem. And yeah, it's like, So let me get this straight. You've got the first woman in 200 years that is being executed in Tennessee, and you don't think folks are going to be watching? We knew about this. The reporters were slinging ink on this, Dave, two months ago, talking about, well, it's going to happen.

46:52 She's the first woman that will have been executed in 200 years. yeah, there's going to be eyes on this thing. And even if there weren't eyes, even if it had nothing to do with a female inmate, a female perpetrator, a convicted female perpetrator, and it was a male that had done it, you're still going to have eyes on it.

47:12 It was a male. Last time they screwed it up, it was a dude.

47:15 It was back in the spring. And so within the DNA of this process and however this thing has been constructed, there's... There is a misfire going on here. And look, the guy from prisons stepped down and resigned. And probably, I don't know if that should have happened the first time, but I got to tell you, and I'm thinking about the governor right here directly. I know your boy's term is up soon. He needs to do some soul searching too, because it's on his watch. that all of this has gone sideways. And I still think that this is going to have a major impact on all capital punishment cases going forward, regardless of how you feel about capital punishment, whether you're pro or anti, or whether you just don't care.

48:11 It will impact. It's got to at this point. This thing's got so much momentum behind it. And we're going to watch and see how this spins out in the courts You're going to hear a lot of reporting on this. Continue to hear a lot of reporting. We'll get updates as much as you dislike. And I'm saying this in general to everyone out there. As much as you dislike Krista Pike, get ready. Because you're going to hear her name more and more. They're going to continue to give you health updates. It would not even surprise me if she didn't pop up on TV somewhere giving an interview.

48:46 Because that is the way things are done. And we're going to hear directly from her. I'm just making that prediction, knowing how the media works. That's going to be on the table as well. So get your popcorn ready, because it's going to happen. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Body Bags.