Ask Me Anything with Dan Senor, Yael Bar tur, and ChayaLeah Sufrin

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0:27 I'm Yael, here with Chaya Leah. There is a lot of us this week. It was a big week. It was a big week. There's a lot of Yael and Chaya Leah content, but- A lot... hopefully people are enjoying it. As far as the eye can see and the ear can hear, really. Yeah. I mean, I have nothing left to say to you, so- Yeah, no...

0:42 I'm not sure how we continue this podcast, but- I've, I'm just asking ChatGPT for a prompt- [laughs]... to, like, how to talk to my wholly religious friend. [laughs] Oh my gosh. Well, today we have a special treat for... I, I mean, it was a treat for us, and hopefully for all of our listeners as well, because we did an episode with Dan Senor, who we've been waiting a long time to be part of his network. This is so exciting.

1:07 And- We wanna help promote his show a little bit. Yes. You know, we wanna give him a little push. We felt... Correct. Right. Yeah. That's why we went on and did his Ask Me Anything, Call Me Back, Ask Me Anything, uh, episode with him, so that hopefully he can, you know, grow his audience. Yeah, yeah. Give him a listen, will you?

1:23 Yeah, he's, he's a, he's got a good thing going. Um, no, but we're, we're very excited. We actually were guests on this week's, uh, Call Me Back, Ask Me Anything, um, which I thought was really fun, you thought was really fun. Um- I did. I loved it... hopefully Dan thought it was really fun too. Uh, but I think the listeners are gonna like it, 'cause it's a little, uh, a little side of this whole, uh, endeavor that you don't really see. And, uh, we'll be right back.

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3:26 This is also a perfect excuse to introduce you to the newest members of the Arc family, Yael Bartur and Chaya Leah Sufrin, hosts of our brand-new podcast, Chosen People Problems. Yael, Chaya Leah, welcome to Call Me Back AMA. Hi, Dan. Well, thank you so much. Thanks for having us. This is so exciting. You, you did great, by the way. You're really good at this podcasting thing.

3:48 [laughs] Well, you know, you know, I, I know how to read a, a document that Alana and the team put in front of me. [laughs] I can do that. The, the... where things get dangerous is when I, when I kind of, you know, go freestyle and just start, um- Oh, we, that's-... improvising... our specialty Yeah. I know.

4:02 That, yeah, I, I, from what I understand, the, the Douglas Murray was subjected to some freestyle. [laughs] I tried to warn Douglas. Mm-hmm. I warned him. I said, "This is a different kind of interview than you normally do," and he acted totally cool and fine, that he got it. He seemed scared after. He actually said after that he's becoming an anti-Zionist. Yeah.

4:21 [laughs] So sorry about that. [laughs] We've managed to turn Douglas Murray, our- [laughs]... the only guy we got. Yeah, the only one left. We got Douglas Murray. The only one left, and we alienated him. [laughs] We're coming for John Spencer next. Yeah. We're coming for John... [laughs] I literally offended him in the first question when I asked him if people only care about him because of his English accent.

4:41 I didn't know that was, like, his, his, like, biggest fear is that people don't take him seriously 'cause of his hard work, but because he's British. How was I supposed to know that? So I just went with it. This is the thing, though. I hear this from Brits all the time, by the way. I don't know. That they are very, they're very self-conscious about whether or not it's their brilliance or it's their, it's their accent, so.

5:00 Yeah. Privilege. Uh, okay. S- so I... [laughs] Privilege. So for people who haven't heard the show yet, how would you describe Chosen People Problems? And maybe in telling us that, also tell us who you guys are. Like, who are you? [laughs] Where'd you come from? Why are you here? Why, why are we- I'm very happy to have you here... why are we, yeah, why are we here? I know you're here.

5:17 [laughs] No, I know why you're here, but, you know. [sighs] Who are we? W- what is our show about, Chaya Leah? I mean, our show is a mix of fun conversations around, like, Jewish identity, Israel politics, but also, like, pop culture. We come from very different backgrounds. Yael grew up secular Israeli in Tel Aviv.

5:36 I grew up Chabad in Long Beach, California. My father's the Chabad rabbi here, and my mother's the rebbetzin. I'm married. I have four kids, all raised in, like, very Chabad style. And Yael and I became best friends over COVID, at the beginning of COVID. We Like, became connected through this libertarian podcast. I know, that makes no sense.

5:58 People think we started this because of Israel and Jewish identity, but actually we started this to complain about wokeness, and then it sort of turned into... You know, af- especially after October 7th, it really turned into a conversation that Jews- Right... were having around their kitchen tables, and dining room tables, and in their backyards, and things that m- mean a lot to the Jewish people. But also, you know, we talk about, like, is Ahmadinejad hot or not?

6:21 And- Mm-hmm... you know, things like that. Which is still- So... like TBD, 'cause we've gotten a lot of different answers- Yeah, I'm not sure... about that from different guests. You ask that a lot? [laughs] Yeah, we ask- That's a question you guys are... It's not just, like, a one-off? It's not. We asked Mark Dubowitz. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. He, he had some thoughts, actually.

6:35 He, he passed out and then had an answer for us, but yeah. Yeah. As, as most of your guests do. I- [laughs]... I notice this is a theme with every one of your episodes, that the guest goes through a moment of having to adjust. Yes. Yeah. Like, re- recalibrate. Yes. And then, and then come back, and then rejoin the conversation.

6:50 Yeah. I will say this. We also, I think we have a pretty good track record of guests becoming listeners. Yeah, that's us. Really? Yeah, yeah. One listener at a time. Yeah, all the time. [laughs] You have on the pod- Yeah. [laughs] It's an interesting growth strategy. [laughs] 'Cause you get them on the podcast- Yeah... and then they become a subscriber. [laughs] It's true. Yeah.

7:06 Tell it, Mom, that's our plan, yeah. [laughs] All right, that's the plan. Yeah. Okay. So just so our listeners understand, your, your episodes drop on Tuesdays. Mm-hmm. But just like this episode, your first AMA is also available to everyone. Mm-hmm. Yes. Slide right in. Wow. [laughs] So if you like what you hear today, I just want to tell our listeners, follow the link in the show notes to subscribe to Chosen People Problems, and the rest- Mm-hmm... of the full Arc Plus experience.

7:30 So tha- tho- those are all my administrative matters. Now I wanna get into questions from our community. Okay. So you have not seen these questions. Do we have to behave? No. Do we have to, like, be, like, like a Mait and a Daf? Do you think they behave? [laughs] Yeah. I mean, have you heard them in Hebrew?

7:43 I mean, it's interesting that you say that, because they've been getting a little spicy with each other recently in English. Oh, I like it. Yeah, yeah. We should do, like, shipping. Do you know what shipping is? No. [laughs] I don't, I don't think I wanna tell you, actually. Don't tell me. Don't tell me. Oh my God. But for the listeners who know, yeah. No, I don't want...

7:58 It sounds like it's one of these if you know, you know, and I'm- Yeah. [laughs]... and I'm, and I have gratitude that I don't know. Um, no, no, they, they, they, things have gotten, uh, good in, in, in a healthy way. Yeah. I, I, I actually like the heat. Um, but, but you, you guys decide what your definition of behave is. Um, I'm gonna start r- hitting you with these questions we got.

8:15 The first one is Michael from Boca Raton, Florida, who writes, "What should Hebrew school look like in the United States?" Ooh. And then when, when, when I think of Hebrew school, I think of- Yeah... like, after school, Sunday school, not- The Sunday. Well, I have what to say. I ran a Hebrew school for, like, 10 years. Perfect. So- [laughs]...

8:32 Hebrew school is one of the worst things that ever happened to American Jewry, honestly. Wow. We- Saying as someone who spent 10 years running one? I know, and I feel bad to say that because I want Jewish parents to send their kids to Hebrew school, but it's actually the worst thing ever. We force the kids to go to school when they're supposed to be on their free time, Sunday mornings or after school, and we wonder why they hate it, and resent it, and find it annoying. And so what do we do?

8:56 We try to make it super fun. You're gonna freaking love it. We're gonna make a edible sukkah, and we're gonna stand upside down on our heads, and we're gonna laugh, and we're gonna watch videos. And so what do we end up with is kind of like a very sort of thin Jewish education that's more like clown school. I mean, I'm being... I know I'm being harsh, but, like- Harsh, yeah... it is, it is, it is how I feel.

9:17 This is us behaving. I would call it, I would, I would call it shipping. It sounds like you're shipping. [laughs] Tashi is absolutely not shipping. Okay. This is us behaving, by the way. No. And I, I'm sorry. I know a lot, there are a lot of great Jewish educators who work at Hebrew school, and we work super hard, and I really appreciate it, and it's the best that we can do, but it's not the best solution for educating our kids.

9:36 And I just... They need to, like... We need more depth in Hebrew school. That's what I think. Okay. Um, wow. Sorry. [laughs] There's a whole... This could be its own episode. I know. No, really. Do you think that the pervasiveness of Hebrew school in the diaspora, or at least in the US, has, has been a failure?

9:56 I mean, I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this, but yeah, I think that w- it's an excuse that Jewish parents give themselves. And, and in fact, you know, the shuls also. I mean, the, the communities do this as well by saying, like, "Oh, it's okay that your kids go to public school, and here, spend two hours a week coming, and, you know, that's gonna be enough."

10:16 When my grandmother, who was very, very orthodox woman, lived in the Lower East Side, and w- she d- there was no Jewish school for girls when she was growing up. She went to cheder every single day. She attended public school in the morning, right? Like, till 1:00. And then every single day, four to five times a week, she was in cheder. That was a, that was a way to educate Jewish kids Jewishly, right? Mm-hmm.

10:38 Coming two, two days a week for an hour or two hours, it's just, it's so... It, it's not working. It's not... I get it, and I think that there... I'm, I know I'm gonna get a lot of e- emails about this. There are benefits, and they get a Jewish identity from it in some fashion. But if we want literate Jewish kids, this is just not... It's not it. Sorry. No, no, no.

11:00 This, this, this is, this topic is a big focus of mine generally, so I'm, I'm not gonna weigh in, 'cause I don't wanna offend as many people as you- [laughs]... you just offended. I mean, I feel terrible. I know. But I, but I, but I'm happy to have you do it. All right. [laughs] Let's go to Maddie from Rochester, New York, who writes, "Many argue the rise of Democratic Socialism is a response to extreme inequality.

11:20 It's a fair argument, but socialism is," Maddie writes, "a hard sell for Americans. Do you think that the DSA and Mamdani would have been as successful without anti-Zionism leading their messaging?" So basically- Mm... the core of it is socialism. Mm-hmm. But according to Maddie, socialism doesn't sell. I'm not sure right now actually in this environment that Maddie's right, but let's just- Mm... accept the, accept the assumption.

11:43 So socialism's a hard sell, so they need something else to kind of s- you know, make it more attractive, and anti-Zionism is making it more attractive. Again, this is Mad- what Maddie's suggesting. Okay. Yael? Um, hi, Maddie. Thank you for the question that you thought somebody else would answer. [laughs] Um, but it's just me. I, I actually think, like, with anti-Zionism, I, I think we... And I mean this in a good way.

12:08 Um, I don't think we should credit ourselves for a lot of this. I think anti-Zionism, and anti-Americanism, and anti, you know, billionaires, anti-data center, this is... They all kind of fall under- A very, very similar bucket to me where people think that they're just hating the people who are powerful and in charge.

12:27 Now, of course, they don't know what they're talking about because they get all their information from, like, you know, an Instagram carousel from BuzzFeed. Mm-hmm. But, you know, I, I, I think it's just, it all falls into the same bucket of being angry at your parents, you know? You think antisemitism, that's a big part of what's happening with antisemitism? Yeah.

12:43 I mean, anti-Zionism? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think a lot of people who are anti-Zionist aren't antisemites, they're just idiots. [laughs] And I don't know what's worse, honestly. But, like, it doesn't mean that in their heart they're like, "Man, I really hate these Jews with their, like, Shabbat dinners- [laughs]... and their Sukkahs." You know?

13:00 They just, uh, you know, "I hate people who are powerful because I'm a child, basically, and I have a child's understanding of the world." Mm-hmm. So, let me give you a, a different take, although it's not necessarily inconsistent with what you're saying. It is a point that Jonah Go- Goldberg has been arguing, which is that what's attractive to young people about socialism is that they- Mm-hmm... actually think it's new. Right.

13:20 [laughs] Young voters always like what's new. So wh- when they recoil at mainstream Democrats, they say, "No, no, no, you're invested in all these old ideas. We need- Mm-hmm... new ideas." And they think new ideas are represented by socialism, which is ironic- Yeah... 'cause it's the farthest thing from a new idea.

13:36 But they're just too young to know it's a very old idea, and they're too uneducated to know it's a new idea. So they think socialism is this cool, new thing. Right. And I guess, could anti-Zionism be that for them too? Yeah, I mean- New, different. It's, it's all re- Even though it's the oldest thing in the world, but yeah. Yeah, yeah. It, it, it's all repackaged. It's all, you know...

13:55 It, it doesn't really matter if it's old or new, because nobody's going back and reading about this stuff. Nobody's going back and learning about it. Uh, again, people are getting their education from their heart. Mm. Right? For what they feel. Mm-hmm. And they see a video online, they see something online, and they feel a certain way, and they decide that what their whole geopolitical outlook is based on something that they saw.

14:16 And now if I offended half your audience, let me, allow me to offend the other half. [laughs] Beautiful. If you don't mind. Yeah. [laughs] This is, this is, we launched, uh, our plus, and today we're completely crashing it, so- Yeah... here we go. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And then please pay for this, too. Yeah.

14:28 If you wanna yell at us, uh, you should pay for this, 'cause then you can- That's true... you can actually access us. No, but I also think we're, we're fighting antisemitism wrong in a lot of ways by calling all these people antisemites. And some people are antisemites, don't get me wrong, but calling everybody who says antisemitic things an antisemite is, uh, I think it's not productive.

14:49 Because basically what you're telling them is you're telling them, "You're hurting my feelings." Mm. Right? You're telling them, "You're, you're being bigoted. I know what's in your heart." Mm-hmm. And a lot of these people don't consider themselves antisemites. That's why I think it's better to call them stupid or maybe, you know, find a better way to call them out and say, "Actually, you're wrong.

15:04 Not only are you wrong, you're being played. You're being manipulated by other people." Instead of just being like, "You're being mean to Jews." Like, I just, I don't think it's effective. We had, um, Olivia Reingold on, uh, last year and she said, she kinda called it accidental antisemitism, which I could relate to. So let me read you a tweet.

15:23 This, this conversation is making me think of this tweet I saw the other day which really resonated by, from Abe Greenwald- Mm-hmm... who's a good, would be a good guy to have on, on Chosen People Problems, by the way. Mm-hmm. Uh, he writes, "There was an invisible moment," I'm quoting Abe here, "There was an invisible moment when woke and defund," as in defund the police, "went from being badges of honor to terms of humiliation."

15:45 Yeah. I saw that. "Keep it..." And then he says, "Keep an eye on the word genocide." Mm-hmm. So, so it's like there was this invisible moment where everyone used these words and it was totally cool. Mm-hmm. And, and, and, you know, and, and where the zeitgeist was. And now suddenly we, we all, including the left, talks about these words with, like, contempt and, like- Mm-hmm... as though the, it was never a thing.

16:06 And I asked a, a, um, a Democratic member of Congress this morning, I, I had mentioned this tweet to him, and he says, "Oh, yeah, J- it'll be like that with us with the Democrats and genocide in two years." Yeah. But we'll, we will laugh at, like, the fact that we were throwing around that term as though- Yeah... we were, actually knew what we were talking about. Exactly. Do you think that's gonna happen?

16:23 Anti-Zionism one- I do... was crazy, Dan. [laughs] No, but do you think genocide will, do you think- Yes... genocide will- Yes... will wither? I, I do. Yeah. I actually, I actually posted something similar, I think, that people are gonna pretend at one point that they never said that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, that said, we are...

16:39 You know, I think we're facing more of an uphill, uphill battle for us. I'm, I'm kind of very involved in the, the, you know, on kind of the defund discourse because- Mm-hmm... my previous life I, I used to work for the NYPD and I was involved in law enforcement. So- Mm-hmm... when people ask me, like, "Have you lost friends since October 7th?"

16:54 I say, "No, because I lost all those people when I started working for the NYPD." Mm. Because, again, it's the Venn diagram of people who hate Israel and people who hate police. Right. Is, like, almost a full circle. Well, I was just gonna say, the, the people who are turning socialist or DSA or anti-Zionist, like, it's 'cause they don't know anybody who lived in a real socialist country or actually experienced that kind of life.

17:15 Mm-hmm. And they don't really know Jews or people who come from Israel. And so when they get- They also don't know any cops. Right. Yeah. So when they get, when they meet people like us, or they get educated a little bit or they read a book or something, they get out of college and, like, face the real world, I think it's gonna actually go away.

17:30 These are not sustainable ideas. They're just not. I actually, I think, I think it's gonna be... If that changes, it's gonna be more top-down than, than bottom-up. I think people, I think it's just gonna appear less like, you know, media people or politicians are gonna use it less because it's consistently- Yeah... being proved as, as wrong.

17:48 I think most people are gonna go with whatever their, their vibe and their groups are telling them. Yeah. Uh, most importantly, Yael, when you said you posted something similar to what Abe did, was that, was that, were you planting a flag there that yours was before his- [laughs]... and so he was knocking off your...

18:01 Like, was this, like, an IP complaint? Yeah. Like, w- It was definitely that, and it was definitely funnier. [laughs] Okay. All right. Um, but Abe's was probably smarter, so, you know- Yeah. All right... I'll give him the smarter part. I just wanted to understand exactly, like, 'cause I wanna help our listeners read between the lines. [laughs] And so what was, like, there's what Yael said, and then there's what- Yes...

18:16 she really said. Okay. [laughs] Good flag. Nothing but respect for Abe. Kat from Hoboken, New Jersey writes, "I'm an observant conservative Jew, and I really wanna take a four-day backpacking trip with my college friends, a mixed group of men, women, secular Jews, and non-Jews. But it is over a weekend and I'm trying to be more observant of Shabbat. That means I can't help with starting the fire, doing the cooking, pitching tents, et cetera. So the burden on the rest of the group weighs on me."

18:44 [laughs] Should I just not go? Wow. You're the reason they're anti-Semitism, lady Can I just say, Kat- [laughs] Kat, I, I w- I'm just saying, if I were answering the c- if it was, like, a m- me answering the questions, the, the, the team, the, our team would never let me answer a question like this. Well, why? What'd you say?

19:00 I'm amazed... I'm, I don't know what I w- I would s- I'm amazed this slipped through the cracks. [laughs] Go ahead, Hilela. I- No, uh, I- What should Kat do about her camping trip? She should absolutely go, and it's gonna be everyone's pleasure to help her and assist her, and she'll help more when it's not Shabbat.

19:15 You give and- when you can, and the rest of your friends, if they're really your friends, they'll be happy for you, and they'll assist you, and you should never feel bad about keeping Shabbat. I don't care if someone has to help me. Okay, so I pay them back after. I'll help them on Sunday or Friday or Wednesday.

19:29 But y- absolutely go, and absolutely don't compromise on your Shabbat observance, and your friends will be very happy to help you. I think you should go and, and just keep Shabbat twice next week. [laughs] And don't worry about it. Start next week. And don't listen to Yael, who doesn't know what Shabbat is. No one has told her yet.

19:46 [laughs] So I just pulled up, I just pulled up an amazing quote that this con- this little exchange made me think about. Oh, is it from Abe Greenwald's Twitter? [laughs] Is that where it's from? That was good. There's gonna be a surge in Abe Greenwald, uh, Twitter followers. No. Abe Greenwald and I got in, uh, got into an argument about Eurovision, but I'll tell you about that one day. Okay. But, but I'm quoting Rabbi...

20:15 This is me really flexing here. You pull up Abe Greenwald's Twitter, and I come back to you with Rabbi Jonathan Sacks. I'm quoting- Oh... the late Rabbi Jonathan Sacks, who famously taught, and I'm quoting here, "Non-Jews respect Jews who respect Judaism, and they are embarrassed by Jews who are embarrassed by Judaism." Mm-hmm.

20:32 Ugh, I couldn't agree with him more. Yep. That's, that's true for everything in life. Right. Honestly. 'Cause I've really, I have actually seen this in the non-Jewish world. I agree. Mm-hmm. That, um, that, that, uh, I, I generally find Jews who are serious about Judaism command more respect- Mm-hmm... from non-Jews. I told that to Jonathan Sacks, FYI, before he wrote that. [laughs] You did? Yeah.

20:51 Wait, what? Yeah. You did? You, you DM'd him via Abe's Twitter? I DM... [laughs] Okay. Okay. Okay, uh- He ghost, ghost wrote his book. I'll just say one more thing. I took my parents to Central Synagogue for Yom Kippur. This year? My parents who have v- ver- yeah, v- they're visiting from Israel, very, very secular, and my da- like, never go to synagogue, and my dad was like, "This is like, this was like church." [laughs] Yeah.

21:11 Although her sermon was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, it was. Yeah. We listened to it on YouTube. Oh. Yeah, that's, that w- that's, that, that is like going to church is then watching, watching the service on YouTube. Yeah. But okay. All right, I'm gonna keep going. Okay. Michal from Košice, Slovakia. Wow. Hmm. That's- Slovakia. I've been there. I've been to Košice twice with my mother. Wow. Okay. Michal writes, "Hi.

21:33 Thanks to all Arc Media contributors for your excellent work. My question is, has Fauda, three years on, done the best job of helping the world understand what happened on October 7th 2023? Why does fiction succeed where reality fails to get through to people?" Hmm, good question. Yes. I just finished, uh, the season recently. Did you, did you watch episode five? Uh, seven and eight? The, the- No, five.

21:58 Uh, is it- Five... five? Seven and eight is, I'm- 'Cause you have to- [laughs] is getting all the news. Okay. But five is the episode that I'm in. Hmm. Oh, wait, really? Yeah. See, I guess I- How did I miss that? That's, I'm, I'm embarrassed, for you and for me. Yeah. [laughs] But okay. But I'm in it, but keep going. Carry on. I mean, I guess I do know why.

22:13 It's entertaining, and you can draw people in through entertainment- Mm-hmm... more than you can through, "Hey, look at this, you know, terrible video." And it's also, kinda to go back to the Rabbi Sacks quote, it's very unapologetic, right? Mm-hmm. And, and it's not like Hasbara. It's not like, you know, "Look at us, we're so great." It's just like, "This is it.

22:31 This is who we are." Um- And this is what we were dealing with. And this is what we're dealing with. And it, you know, I think, um, I, I don't know if this is correct. Uh, I'm, I'm, I don't know if I remember this correctly. Sorry. But I think before Netflix bought them, they had released all the, the episodes, uh, season one for free, so people in the Arab world could watch them.

22:51 Because a lot of it's in Arabic. Hmm. And they got a lot of fans there. And yeah, I had people reach out to me saying, you know, that I haven't spoken to in a while, saying like, "Oh, my gosh, I just watched season five of Fauda. It's so good." And then like every Israeli, kinda like with what happened in the plane, you feel, like, responsible. Hmm. You're like, you walk around being like, "Oh, my gosh, I'm so proud." But I am proud.

23:10 I was just gonna say, I think that it, it works because we only understand life anymore through TV and, and Hollywood and movies. I work with college students. I don't think they understand anything outside of the context of Hollywood anymore. So if you ha- don't see it in a movie or on a TV show, it's very hard to kind of assimilate it into the, what it means.

23:31 Even relationships, even friendships, even anything that they do in their lives is all through this lens that we have been sort of pushed into, and that is through the lens of fiction. And I, that's how people are gonna consume, I think, all information from now on. Like, if we want them to know about George Washington, they have to watch a fictional movie about him, otherwise forget it.

23:52 They're not gonna- There's a good one, by the way. Yeah. [laughs] There's a new one. But um, so I just had this conversation this morning. I was at a bat mitzvah this morning, by the way. Hmm. Isn't that interesting to you? It's the most dancing-a thing ever. Yeah Friday morning. On Friday. Hashana Rabah. Yeah. That's nice. Do you wanna explain what Hashana Rabah is, Hilela?

24:07 Hashana Rabah is the last day of Sukkot. Right, seventh day of Sukkot. It's a very special holy day. Yeah, it's a very holy day, 'cause it says that it's the day that we, like, get our final answer from God about Rosh Hasha- like, what we prayed for on Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur, it gets finalized today.

24:21 Wait, are we supposed to pray for things? Today, yeah. You didn't. Oh, my God. Is it too late? Okay. We're not gonna make a big deal about it. It's too late, yeah. Oh, no. She didn't even know about Yom Kippur. Yeah. It's fine. I, I pray that people won't hate our show. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. So, so okay. So, so this is the second bat mitzvah I've been to on Hashana Rabah. Really?

24:36 I was at one a few years ago, a friend of mine's kid, and then, and then I was at a, a, a friend of mine's daughter this morning. Uh, at any event, but that's not really why I raise that. But on the drive home, the, the bat mitzvah was in Brooklyn, and I was on my way back. Hmm. And I was driving with a friend of mine, Ben Archibald, who a- was talking to me about Fauda, and we got into this whole conversation about why-...

24:56 it's breaking through when it seems like the world hates us, and the, certainly the Hollywood creative scene is, let's just say, unreliable and, and un- and, and unbalanced. And I, I, he was asking me, and I honestly don't have a good answer. Like, we, we, we all freak out and understandably catastrophize about, like, this documentary, Naza. Mm-hmm.

25:19 The reality is the number of people that are actually gonna be- Mm-hmm... see Naza- They hate us for it... like, more people, more people, believe it or not, will be watching, listen to this episode of the podcast. Right, right. [laughs] Even your strategy of recruiting one listener at a time. [laughs] Like, they, they will more... There will be- Right... a larger audience for this than, than for Naza. Mm-hmm.

25:38 And, and we all freak out because it was atrocious, obviously, and yet Fauda is one of Netflix's top 10 shows globally right now. The whole world is watching it. Mm-hmm. I, I mean, I, I honestly- It's amazing... don't have a good answer. Like, how do I... You know, there's, there's something going on. Also, everybody in it is hot. Really? Which is... [laughs] I think most people, even though Lior Raz looks...

25:57 It's funny 'cause he looks like every single guy in Israel. Yeah. Right? Like, he literally looks like every single man in Israel. Like, ev- What about Captain Ayub? G- so you know something about Captain Ayub, I don't know if a lot of people know this. Do you know- He's my favorite character, by the way, in the whole show... do you know how he got his start, that actor?

26:11 He's, he's like a, he's a stand-up- Yeah, he was-... comedian, musician... he was in a, he was in a drag, uh- A drag, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. W- which actually performed at my father's 50th birthday. Wow. Which I won't say how many years ago that was. Okay. But it's so funny 'cause I always think of him as, like, a comedic actor with a dress. Yeah. I have always felt there's a spin-off show for Captain Ayub.

26:33 It's like Fauda's- Oh, that'd be great... version of Better Call Saul. When you, when you talked about the bat mitzvah, I thought you were gonna say that it was Fauda themed- [laughs]... which I thought would be a really interesting bat mitzvah, right? Thought it would be fun. Have you ever seen, have you ever been to the Fauda, like, experience, the Fauda theme park in Israel? No.

26:47 [laughs] I'm being serious. Really? This thing exists. No. Wait, what? Yes, absolutely. No, it doesn't. Yes. There's a whole Fauda-like- That's amazing... experience where you, like, y- they have you dress up as, like, the Fauda unit, the, the Duvdevan. Is it called going to the IDF? [laughs] It's called Fauda. It's called Fauda. There's like...

27:02 It's an, it's like a r- it's like a recreational ex- tourist experience. Yeah. Yes. I'll say- This is-... I'll say something, something remarkable about it, too, though, that it's so popular in Israel and outside of Israel. Right. So it kind of, the fact that it appeals to global audiences and Israelis who, who know this stuff is really remarkable. Right. This is the world we live in. I, you asked me to read a book about India.

27:22 It's gonna take me a long time to get through it. I'm gonna have to struggle, right? I watched the movie Lion. Do you remember that movie? It's about a little kid who gets lost. It's based on a true story. Mm-hmm. He gets lost on the train, and he ends up in an orphanage, and then he's adopted by an American. I watched that movie, I became the most pro-Indian person you've ever met. I almost adopted a kid.

27:40 My, my, my or- [laughs]... my Chabad husband was literally taking my laptop away from me 'cause I was signing up for an adoption agency in India so that I could adopt Indian kids. [laughs] There's just something about movies and TV, the way they penetrate us, that a, an article in the LA Times or a podcast episode is just not gonna do. It just, there's something special about it. Yeah.

28:02 By the way, another very popular Israeli show is Shtisel. Yeah, Shtisel. Yeah. Oh. My friend's- That's- Same thing... Syrian, my friend's Syrian Christian husband, who is from Syria, i- is the one who convinced me to watch it because- Yeah... I'd heard about it. Oh. And he's like, "No, no, it's so good," and it's amazing. It's riveting.

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29:14 You keep independent Jewish media going, and we get to keep doing whatever this is. Join Ark Plus. It's good for the Jews. Is it? I don't know, but it's definitely good for us. Okay. Marlon from Frankfurt, Germany, writes, "Big fan and subscriber. In the past years, Netanyahu has cozied up to some far right Eastern European leaders with the AFD gaining momentum and winning elections in Germany.

29:40 Do you see Netanyahu cozying up to the AFD like one of his ministers, Amichai Chikli, has? The German Jewish community is highly concerned about this." So first off, do either of you have a view of the AFD, the rise of the right in Germany? You can take this any way you want. I mean- [laughs]... no one wants to hear that the right- No one-... is rising in Germany.

30:00 That, those words- Yeah... should just not be uttered. I thought you were gonna say, "Nobody wants to hear our views about European- [laughs]... political parties." I mean, I want- Which one is Germany again? Yeah. [laughs] Is that the Holocaust one? I don't think Netanyahu should cozy up to that party. That's my opinion. I would say, uh, "" as we say in Hebrew. [laughs] You know? You gotta translate. Re- respect but be wary. Yeah.

30:22 Because none of these people are our friends. I, so you're, you're... The, the person that you've turned into an anti-Zionist, Douglas Murray- [laughs]... uh, he has a, he has a new, he has a piece up in the Free Press, I think, I gotta double check that, where he talks about the AFD. Mm. He is not as worried about the AFD- Mm...

30:41 a- a- and I, I, we should maybe post the piece, than others are about the rise of other movements throughout Europe. Mm. But generally speaking, I do think the rise of the right in Europe is... And, and I think we're likely to see the continued ascendance of the right in France. Mm-hmm. Uh, depending, you know, there's very, a very plausible scenario where whatever follows the Burnham government in the UK will be, you know- A, a hard right government potentially.

31:08 I do think all of these, this entire movement, this backlash going on in many European countries will make it very hard for the EU to impose any kind of comprehensive sanctions against Israel. Mm. So while, like Mark Dubowitz and I talked on our, on Coming Back the other day, and he was painting a picture where the EU could step in and, and engage in some- Mm...

31:29 comprehensive set of sanctions and economic, um, uh, isolation of Israel. But to do that, it's not just, like you, you need a critical mass, and I don't know- Yeah... what the exact number is off the top of my head of EU countries, and there are a number of these governments that are either in existence or on the path to being in existence, or at least are parties that are on the rise, that will make that very hard.

31:48 Mm. So this creates this dilemma- That's true... to the, to, to Marlon's point, is- Yeah... you know, yes, these parties may make Marlon uncomfortable, Marlon, I hear you. Um, but from Israel's geopolitical positioning, there's a balance that they're trying to strike because some of these governments and some of these parties create a bulwark against some of the most dangerous policies, uh, for Israel, that could be directed at Israel.

32:15 Yeah. By the way, if things go south here in the United States, and somehow, you know, our government, government turns to be, you know, pretty anti-Israel, Israel's gonna have to find new friends in the world, and some of those friends are not gonna be our, the greatest people. It might be a China, you know, it might be something like China.

32:30 It might be, you know, other European countries that we don't love, or Latin American countries, and we're gonna have to live with that because Israel needs friends in the world. But I will say that Ilan had me do all this research about Jews who supported Mussolini in Italy- Oh, right... be- you know, before the Holocaust, and you know, the Jews thought that this was the best case scenario considering, you know, the threat of communism, et cetera.

32:52 And you see how the Jews were really acting in their own self-interest at that moment. But then, turn, you know, it turned out to be obviously a, a terrible disaster. But what, you know, we're stuck all the time. Jews are always stuck trying to make the best situation out of horrible, you know, realities. And I feel like Europe is headed in that direction for a lot of the Jewish communities there. It's, it's a tough choice.

33:15 The left is not great, and the right isn't great. So where do you go? Dan, can I ask you, uh, about that? You know, a- again, my knowledge of Europe is, is pretty much Eurovision. [laughs] So I can tell you which countries, like, voted for us and which didn't- Yeah... which really correlates with how antisemitic they are. Um, so [laughs] I'm not even joking.

33:35 I'm gonna make you do a Eurovision episode- Oh my gosh... on, uh, in May next year. It's amazing. Uh, but, um, no, but what I was gonna say about that is I don't, from my limited understanding, and please tell me what you think, on a, on a, like, people level, not necessarily on a, on a political level, I, I find that people being alarmed by the rise of, you know, Islamism in Europe or people being anti-immigration in Europe doesn't necessarily correlate with support of Israel.

34:04 Like, they have room in their hearts to hate all of us. Yeah. I think both of those sentiments are, they live in parallel, but they're not connected. Mm-hmm. So, so w- w- what, what I mean is I think there's growing support, believe it or not. This is gonna be a very contrarian take, and heads are gonna explode when I, when I say what I'm about to say because people are gonna think it's so inconsistent with their, with what they're observing.

34:25 But, um, I think there is growing dependence on Israel for strategic and security and defense tech capabilities. Yes. Mm-hmm. That I, as I've argued on Coming Back a lot, there are two laboratories, uh, that are the future of warfare and the future of defense. They are Ukraine and Israel. Mm. And the whole world, and specifically the West, is looking at both of those countries and saying, "What can we learn from these places, and how can we hop in the laboratory and understand what they understand, and leverage and piggyback onto their due diligence and their knowledge and the skills and the capabilities and the technologies they've developed?"

35:03 And in a world in which government after government after government is spending more and more on defense, country- talk about EU countries and NATO countries are spending on defense budgets now in ways I never would've imagined 10 years ago, five years ago, two years ago. And, and they're all doing it, and they're all looking at, at Israel and Ukraine. So it's a very realist approach and like on a real politic approach to how people in these countries are making decisions. Yeah.

35:29 They're like, "I don't love Israel. I don't hate Israel. I don't love the Jews. I don't hate the Jews, but I need them." Mm. "I need to partner with them." I'll take it. Yeah. So it's not the, this, this romanticized view of Zionism and this romanticized view of Israel and shared values and common history that we have. It's purely like, "What have you done for me lately?"

35:47 And turns out Israel is doing a lot for a lot of people lately, even if they don't wanna talk about it, and even if it's politically awkward in their own constituencies and districts and countries- Mm... to talk about it. And so I think that is going to be the driving force. So it's not about like, "I hate Jews. I love Jews. I hate Israel. I love Israel." It's, "I need something from them." It's pragmatic. Right. Yeah.

36:07 Yeah. Which is fine. Yeah. We, we were so, we were so cute with the UAE after this whole, uh, plane thing where the UAE was like, "You guys are great." We're like, "No, you guys were great." [laughs] Like, I feel like everybody really, you know, there's a lot going on. The UAE, I mean, I, uh, there was a senior official from the UAE, he told me, and this was, this was not after the Flydubai, uh, thing, but, uh, you know, uh, this, after, this summer, told me this, this summer that at the end of the day, they, the UAE government believes after the, the, what they dealt with, with Iran during the Iran war, the only country in the entire region that they can depend on is Israel.

36:39 They said, "We're part of the Arab League. Not a single member of the Arab League called us when we were, when there were barrages of missiles hitting Dubai and Abu Dhabi. We're a part of the Gulf Cooperation Council. Not a single country from the Gulf Cooperation Council called us and said, 'How can we help?'" Mm. "The only people that called was Netanyahu and the Israeli government and said, 'We're deploying Iron Dome.

36:58 We're deploying...' It sounds like ultimately it was over 1,000 Israeli personnel. "We're gonna help you set up the equivalent of your, you know, an emergency response system to alert your citizens." Israel was there for them, like that. Even, you mentioned Nadav- We felt, we felt bad... even Nadav. Yeah. You mentioned Nadav earlier.

37:14 [laughs] Nadav, who is a v- big critic of the current Israeli government, even he said these, Bibi and this government, he told me this not on the podcast, he told me this over dinner, so he may be annoyed that I'm saying it here. But he, he said even- Oh, a sick, sick invite, Dan... he, he said even Bibi was like, was like smart to jump on this and, and reach out to the UAE right away and move quickly. So- My cousins are Chabad there, in, uh, Dubai- Are you serious?... and Abu Dhabi. Wow. Yeah. They're... And, and my cousin's son just became a Chabad rabbi in Saudi Arabia. Wait, what? I'm not exact...

37:47 Yes, there is now Chaba- I don't know if I'm supposed to announce this actually, but- You just did... whatever, I'm saying it. You just started a geopolitical, like- You just did. [laughs] You just did. No, but her son is going back and forth. She'll do anything to get listeners. Yeah. And he's... [laughs] Yeah. And if you wanna know how to contact him- He is Saudi Arabia... sign up for Aak Plus. Yeah. Exactly.

38:02 [laughs] That's amazing. That would be- Yeah... its own conversation about- Yeah, yeah... about the rise of Chabad in, in the Muslim world. Okay. It's crazy. La- last question. Yeah. Ari from St. Louis, Missouri writes, "Israel has become a contested topic in both major parties. Name a politician with 2028 presidential am- ambitions who would be able to deal with those challenges during the primaries.

38:22 Please name one politician from each party." Ooh. Marco Rubio. I mean, my, my boy, Marco Rubio. Yeah. He can do any job. I mean, that's easy. That's easy. As we know. Yeah, Marco. What about a Democrat? A Democrat? I mean, I'm gonna say Gavin Newsom. I think he can handle it. Really? He's Israel non-partied. You just, you just think that- I know... because he's handsome... but I think, no, but he's, 'cause he's like a TV guy.

38:46 He's like the West Wing president, and he'll, he'll massage it, and with his smile and his good hair, and he'll say, "No. You know, I didn't mean it that way. You misunderstood. This is what..." I think Gavin Newsom is gonna be able to kinda walk that line more than anyone else that I can think of. I would say, what about Van Jones running as a Democrat? [laughs] No. That would be nice. Why would he do that?

39:10 Why would he do that? I don't know. I, please, Van, don't do that. One of the- No... I don't know, one of the Joshes. Who are all the, the Jewish Joshes? Josh Shapiro. No. Yeah. That's the worst. No, no, no, no. Really? By the way, I have this, I have this- They'll be the worst... ongoing argument- No...

39:20 with Mark Halperin, who believes, and I disagree with him, he believes that the most promising group of candidates, just in terms of their, their political skills and their organizational skills, and the way they're positioning themselves within their parties, for, all for different reasons, all happen to be Jewish.

39:38 Yeah, well. Assaf. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm. Shapiro, uh, Rahm Emanuel. Like he goes through, like some of the most talented politicians- Mm... happen to be... Now, look, they, some of them, like I, you know, they're not n- you know, just because they're Jewish doesn't mean they're Jewish, but it is interesting.

39:52 No, I, um, I, I'm gonna punt on answering this question until after the midterms, because I do think the outcome of the Michigan Senate race will be an earthquake. Yeah. Like one way or the other. Oh, yeah. Meaning, if the Democrats win the Senate majority- Yeah... because they won the Michigan Senate race with Abdul El-Sayed, he will instantly be a rocket ship in Democratic politics, and the takeaway the Democrats will, will have from the 2026 midterms will be, "This is, this is the path.

40:24 This is the ticket." Yeah. El-Sayed won a state that Donald Trump won twice. What do you mean we can't run a, a DSA-type candidate who has the views that he has in the heartland, in the heart of the country? And that will shape the 2028 presidential election, at least as the Democratic primary is concerned. If he loses- Mm...

40:40 at a time when Democrats should be winning just about everywhere, given how bad the environment is for Republicans, hopefully there'll be a conversation among Democrats that, "You, like, you idiots, we nominated this guy who couldn't win in an environment where just about every Democrat was winning."

40:55 And that could also then give Democrats some, some like pause about, you know, how hot their rhetoric has become as it relates to Israel and the Jews. So I think it- Oh, my God... I think these midterms are gonna matter. I heard he's, I heard he's 5'6", Abdul El-Sayed. No. Is that true? Just saying. Is that true? Yeah. Well, I don't know.

41:13 Now that Dan said, I'm taking my whole family and all my 400 first cousins and moving to Michigan to vote. Now. Because it really sca- [laughs] Like this week. Early, early voting starts in a week. This week. I'm not joking. I'm, I'm moving next week. Okay. Yalla. I mean, oh, my God. All right, guys. That's all of our questions. Um, but, but- Wait, that's all? We want more questions...

41:30 well, well, I just wanna save a moment to wish Hila Leah Mazel Tov, because her son is getting married- Oh... in a few days. Thank you. Yes. By the way- Thank you. Thank you... how on earth is your son getting married? What is he, four? [laughs] Well, I'm 20. He's 12. No. [laughs] I, my oldest son, who's 24 years old, is getting married. So we're, it's our oldest. Mazel tov. That is amazing. Yeah, yeah.

41:49 I have four sons, and so he's the first. So we're welcoming a new, uh, a girl into our life, which is odd. I'm used to being the only, uh, female around. But yeah, we're very excited, so. And where, where is he getting married? In Cleveland, Ohio. She's, uh- Where in Cleveland?... from Cleveland. I know Cleveland very well. And Ma- it... Oh, you do? Yeah. It's called Landerhaven.

42:09 It's in Mayfield Heights or something. I know Mayfield Heights. Cleveland. I don't know. Yeah. All right. It's named after Brad Lander. [laughs] Um, can, Dan, can I send you my hotel and tell me if I'm gonna get like stabbed there? Yeah, yeah. Yael's coming with me. Because I have no idea where I'm going. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah. No, no, no.

42:24 D- well, yeah, send me your hotel. I kn- I know, I know. [laughs] I lo- I actually love Cleveland. That's a very... It was a... I called today. That's funny. I called to make my reservation, 'cause I do, I do everything late. Yeah. And it was, it w- I'm in the overflow overflow hotel, but the woman was telling me, she was like, "We're getting a lot of calls about this wedding." [laughs] Like, I'm sorry. Okay. So wait.

42:43 Well, let me just say, by the way, before, also before we break, Yael, real quick, what is your, what is your riff on Eurovision? Oh, my gosh. I think Eurovision's one of the most interesting geopolitical stages- Mm-hmm... in the world. Um, you get everything on it. It's like the UN, but like super gay and sparkly.

43:02 [laughs] Uh, and you have, uh, the, the music is terrible. It's horrible. Everybody can admit to that. But it's not really about the music. It's about the dynamics between- Uh, the countries that judge, 'cause every, every country gets to vote with judges and with televotes. And over the last, I think, three years it's been a huge mess, like, uh, with, with Israel, right? Mm-hmm. Like, a bunch of countries pulled out; Ireland, Spain. We're never gonna forget this.

43:27 And consistently, judges from these countries who are publicly known have scored Israel low, and televotes have scored Israel straight to the top. Mm-hmm. So we've gone from place, like, 15 by judge votes to, like, came in, I think, number- Two... uh, I think five, three, and two over the last few years.

43:50 Now, the songs were bangers too, but I think it's such an interesting story. And I'd like to see a, a glimmer of hope in that. I, I don't know if it's a bunch of Israelis, but I- it can't only be a bunch of Israelis in, you know, uh, whatever, like- The question is, are they... Is it the AFD? Where are they? Where's the AFD? Yeah.

44:07 [laughs] Where's the AFD on Eurovision? I don't know what song they submitted. Right. I don't know what song they submitted. Oh my God. Dan, she made us do a whole episode on this, okay? I had to sit through an entire one-hour episode- I did-... talking about Eurovision... and I wrote an article- And-... for the New York Post that we can link. Wow.

44:22 Yes, I am, I'm the New York Post Eurovision correspondent. All right. Thank you very much. Okay. I- you did a whole episode that, that, that stretched longer than the two minutes you just did, but- It's-... or it's already felt long. Yes. So I'm imagining what, like, an hour- [laughs] Thank you... what an hour of this felt like. But, you know- Thank you. Thank you.

44:35 By the way, the guy that we interviewed is a sports- Wow, she's still going... uh, commentator. Is that... Yeah. I'm still, I'm still going. The sports- Do you want me to list the songs that- You don't even know. [laughs] But he's a sports commentator in Israel, Sholyn Davidovich, he's great. But he, because he loves sports, he also loves Eurovision because it's like sports- Yeah... for- Yeah, okay... people like me. Mm-hmm.

44:53 Okay. Yeah. Well, listen- [laughs] Stop. We're gonna wrap there because I don't... I, I really wanna minimize the loss of listeners and subscribers. [laughs] I mean, every minute just less of us. This is just, like, you can watch the, you know, like, the... Okay. Shabbat shalom, guys. Shabbat shalom. Shabbat shalom. Excited to have you on, uh, on, to have you- [laughs] Excited to have you in the Arc family.

45:17 And- And thank you for taking a chance on us. I know... I mean, it's probably too late now- It's too late... for you to take it back. We're... No, no, this is what we call in the business sunk costs. [laughs] So, I mean. Yes. [laughs] And Arc Media, which is, uh, gonna be fun- sponsored by the New England Patriots, I'm very excited. I'm gonna work on that. Now you really crossed a line. I know. [laughs] That, that...

45:34 I'm, I'm, I'm ready to go back and talk about Eurovision. [laughs] We're gonna, we're gonna- We have an episode titled Hashem. We're gonna give you some news. Hashem Is a Patriots Fan, I think one of our earliest episodes. We do. He is. He is. You're just trying to needle me, and I don't appreciate it, especially as I head into a week where we have a very important game.

45:49 This is what it's gonna be like. We signed a 15-year contract, Dan. [laughs] This is what it's gonna be like. We're attached to you. We can't get out. You have twins. Yeah. Oh my God. [laughs] And just a reminder, you can listen to Yael and Chaya Léa every Tuesday on Chosen People Problems, and every Thursday you can listen to their AMA, uh, for Arc Plus subscribers.

46:13 And please listen 'cause Dan is gonna be so mad at us if we don't get listeners. [laughs] If, if the metrics are weak, we have problems. Yeah. You know? Because- Yeah... but don't worry, we have a backup plan. We've already- [laughs] We've already worked out a podca- Ade Greenwald is gonna have his own podcast. Oh. And- Oh, good. Good... and- About Eurovision. Yeah, [laughs] about Eurovision.

46:30 It's just gonna be him saying, "It's so much worse than that." Yeah, ex- "It's so much worse than that." Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's worse than that. [laughs] I love that you know that. It's worse than that. [laughs] That Ade-ism, it's worse than that. It's... [laughs] Oh, they've really milked that. Okay. Goodbye, guys. [laughs] Bye.

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