Miss America Has a Problem | EP 2 | Curse of Miss America

When I started this series, I thought I'd be talking about crowns and gowns, what Miss America means, and why this cultural titan has been slowly declining.

But instead, I walked into one of the wildest stories I've ever covered.

Hi, Glenn.

This is Bridget Armstrong.

So first, I just wanted to get your permission to record the call.

Yeah, that's fine.

That's Glenn Straub, the man who started this legal war over Miss America.

I didn't go look for the badge of business that came to me.

Glenn's a controversial self-proclaimed billionaire.

He's a Palm Beach real estate tycoon who owns a fleet of yachts and a gated country club.

We bought the biggest yacht company in the United States. I'm a major developer in Florida.

Glenn's name was never supposed to be associated with the Miss America brand. You see, his reputation isn't exactly aligned with women's empowerment. If everything had gone according to plan... We wouldn't even know who he is. But it looks like the plan went left. No, Glenn is out of the shadows and into the courtroom.

She moved into a federal court, which got the whole nation involved. And that's probably why you're recording me right now.

In one corner, you have Robin Fleming, you know, CEO of girlbossing.com. She's a former dress shop owner who stepped in to run the pageant. In the other corner, you have Glenn, who claims his money saved Miss America.

It definitely was in debt and should have been put in a bankruptcy.

Right now, both Glenn and Robin claim they're the rightful owner of the Miss America entities.

We are the owner and will continue to be that until somebody shows different.

But this is no average corporate disagreement.

What started off as a local lawsuit over Miss America's ownership has escalated into so much more. And now, Robin is seeking $ 500 million in damages and attorney's fees. Both sides have evidence to support their claim. And they both have some pretty damning things to say about each other.

Even Robin, the attorney, wants to say, oh, I'm a convicted felon. I'm not going to combat that felon. If I was, I'd be in jail for pitch sakes.

Fortunately for us, the details of this deal are coming to light in the public record.

And it looks like Robin and Glenn.

Made a tenuous partnership to take control of Miss America. The lawsuit over Miss America is a messy, mudslinging legal battle that's dragged the pageant's most humiliating secrets into the public. It's a story that's fallen through the cracks in the news cycle. Maybe it's because there's so much headline news.

Or maybe it's because people stopped caring about this pageant a long time ago. For months, we've been trying to figure out what's going on with this complicated ownership battle.

But here's the kicker.

The Miss America organization itself is trying their best to stop us. They started by emailing former winners of the title to warn them about our production.

Then we started getting letters from their lawyers.

In investigative journalism, when lawyers start sending letters, that's usually when you know you're onto something.

So on this episode, we're going to.

Travel back to the very beginning of the end to unravel the bizarre transaction that started it all. And we'll explore how a 103-year-old American icon was traded behind closed doors.

Miss America, I ask you to rise.

Go down and meet your subjects as I now sing you your song.

Welcome to The Curse of Miss America. I'm Bridget Armstrong.

Your willing subjects are out there waiting for you.

The new Miss America, here she comes!

This part of the story starts in 2019, before Robin Fleming took over. Back then, a woman named Chantel Krebs was Miss America's chairperson. Chantel was Miss South Dakota in 1997. She went on to become South Dakota's Secretary of State. Chantel took over the Miss America board as a volunteer. She didn't even collect a salary. Unfortunately for her, she also took over right at the beginning of Miss America's flop era. Chantel was the fifth chairperson in five years.

Miss America was down bad. Leadership scandals, declining viewership, infighting, and a lack of sponsorships had left the organization in a financial crisis. Public financial filings revealed that by 2022, Miss America was broke. the prestigious brand was quietly drowning under a mountain of debt, a staggering $ 4.

1 million owed to a long list of creditors.

It got so bad, it looked like leadership might not even have the money to put on the annual pageant. According to Robbins' deposition in one of the Miss America lawsuits, Chantel Krebs had to personally take out a mortgage on her own home to help fund the 2022 pageant. Needless to say, if Miss America wanted to keep running, it didn't have a lot of options. So Chantel Krebs and the board started looking for someone to take over Miss America, someone who would agree to take responsibility for that $ 4 million debt.

Enter Robin Fleming.

This was a tumultuous time for the Miss America community, especially the former Miss Americas. Once your reign as Miss America is over, you're called a forever Miss America. A lot of Forever Miss Americas remain active with the organization, and they're deeply invested in what happens to the pageant.

So when Robin seemingly swooped in to save the competition from the brink of destruction, the Forever Miss Americas were relieved, excited even. Susan Powell was Miss America 1981. Here's what she remembers about the sale.

We were so glad that someone was coming to the rescue, that someone wanted it, because it's not something that's easy anymore. And we were having a pageant this year, and that's a good thing. That's really good for all of us.

You met Mallory Hagan in the last episode. She was Miss America 2013. According to Mallory, it was no secret in the community that the organization was struggling in 2022. And that's when she first heard about a potential buyer named Robin Fleming.

The idea that Robin just came in and bought it was because it was so far in the red and nobody could climb it out.

The story going around the program was that Robin had the money to rehabilitate Miss America.

Robin sold her involvement in Miss America as that she had funds to turn Miss America around, to bring it back to its glory days, that she was financially able to do whatever needed to be done to bring Miss America back to what it used to be.

People like Mallory, who've dedicated years of their lives to this program and whose names will always be attached to it, want to see the program run well. I, like many of the other Miss Americas, was optimistic and open to hearing from her and hearing what her plans were and how she was going to continue on the legacy of the brand. Before we go any further, there's something you have to understand about Miss America and pageant culture in general.

This might not be surprising, given that it's an entire culture built around judging women's appearances, but pageant people really care about how things look. It's a very insular culture that doesn't like to put their business on front street. Just getting people to talk to us for this podcast has been like pulling veneer-covered teeth. I'm sure the emails from Miss America's lawyers didn't help either. But luckily, a few Miss Americas have been willing to talk to us honestly.

When Robin first came into the picture, Mallory Hagan started hearing whispers about her funding source.

The person who told me that Miss America was being sold told me where the funding source was supposedly coming from. And they were like, this is not a good situation and I don't want to be a part of it.

That raised Mallory's suspicions. But she didn't exactly know what the information meant. And to a lot of people, at least from the outside, it seemed like Robin had gotten the.

Pageant back on track.

Then, in 2024, the Miss America community received a strange email from a man they'd never heard of before, Glenn Straub. Here's Miss America 1981, Susan Powell again.

All of a sudden, we got an email from the man, the guy that said it was really his and he was going to take over.

In the email, Glenn claimed to be the real owner of Miss America. He said the money behind Miss America's sale wasn't Robin's at all.

It was his.

And in April 2024, he decided to make that publicly known. We've seen a copy of the email Glenn sent to the Forever Miss Americas. He also sent it to the Miss America directors and licensees.

We're having a voice actor read an excerpt from it.

In late December, 2022, I purchased all the assets of the former Miss America organization, the then owner and operator of the Miss America pageant. I purchased the Miss America pageant as well as the Miss America Outstanding Team Competition, including all of the assets and intellectual property through Miss America Competitions LLC and Miss America IP LLC, of which I am 100% owner member, the sole director and a manager.

Then, Glenn announced that he would be taking Robin to court over ownership rights. Mallory Hagan got the same email from Glenn. Then, she got another one. This time, from the former Miss America board, saying Glenn was not the owner.

We assure you that Robin owns Miss America, something like that.

The confusing emails just made the Miss Americas feel like kids without a home.

Susan Powell again. Okay, okay.

We're now in a foster home, but we're in a different foster home now.

We have a copy of that email. We're having a voice actor read an excerpt from it.

The entire board voted unanimously to transfer the assets to Robin Fleming, as we sought to continue the legacy of the Miss America mission. Miss Fleming always acted in good faith to the satisfaction of the Miss America organization and has demonstrated commitment to the empowerment, support, and protection of women and girls of all ages. It was against this backdrop that the board of MAO sold its assets and transferred its legacy to Robin Fleming as the sole owner and president. By publicly asserting this position, we aim to provide clarity and reassurance to all stakeholders regarding the organization's leadership structure.

It was messy and confusing for the Miss America community. But it was about to get much worse. Because next, Glenn took Robin to court. where the truth about their relationship and failed business partnership has slowly leaked into the public record. So we had to find out, who is Glenn Straw? And why does he believe he's the real owner of Miss America?

This is very clear. We were buying the company. She wasn't buying the company. We kept it alive.

That's coming up after the break.

A few months ago, we gave Glenn Straub a cold call. To our surprise, he picked up. That's not usually how it works with billionaires. But he agreed to do an interview with me on the record. Turns out he had a lot to say. We thought it was important to hear from the man Robin Fleming chose to go into business with. We were there to talk about the Miss America lawsuits. But the conversation went to some unexpected places.

Before we got to all of that, I asked Glenn to start at the beginning. Who are you? How did you make your money? I'm 80 years old, so it starts back 60-some years ago.

Glenn's first business opportunity came about when.

His dad died.

We were out on the street just about.

He and his brothers took over their dad's car leasing business. They did that for a while, and it was pretty successful. Then Glenn saw a new opportunity.

Banks need to take over foreclosed businesses. When a company goes bad, they're bankers. They're not people who operate companies.

So he started buying up foreclosed mining and asphalt businesses around West Virginia.

That was probably the first major manufacturing venture. We were strip miners.

As you can probably imagine, Glenn's billionaire origin story is long.

Kept buying up asphalt companies, concrete company, block companies. Became bankers, just didn't want to handle with them.

And I got the impression Glenn really likes to talk about money and all the ways to make it.

We become debt free very early because we're making a couple million bucks.

To be fair, I did ask him to tell me the whole story.

My other brother was ailing at that time. We kept him out of the franchise.

I'll give you the cliff notes here.

This was a time in America where any white man could make it big with a little money, hard work and the right connections.

We ended up getting into country clubs, bought six of those things and golf courses and became a developer.

Fast forward a few decades, and Glenn's built a large fortune with a diverse business portfolio.

Mining, manufacturing, oil, gas, country clubs, and development, you know, those kind of things.

Now Glenn is in his 80s, but he told me that while he might be old, he ain't cold.

I'm very good at keeping my health up. I can kick anybody's ass if they want to tackle with me.

And according to him, he's still running his empire.

I only sleep an hour a night. I work 10 hours a day, six days a week.

Even if his approach is still a little old school.

I don't turn on computers and don't know how they work. And I don't know what you guys call a rabbit or something like that, that you move around your screen or something like that. I don't think I'll need a rabbit.

I think he means a mouse.

I know how to be successful. It's called work.

A big part of his strategy is buying businesses that are already bankrupt or on the brink of it.

About every year or so, we buy a bankrupt company and we turn it around and it gives us something to do.

And when they can't turn them around, he still seems to make money on their closure. He did it with the defunct Miami Arena in 2012, and then a few years later with the bankrupt Revel Casino in Atlantic City.

I don't run casinos. I get rid of casinos because I either buy the buildings, 62-story buildings and stuff, And that's how our family makes money on the side.

These days, Glenn's become part of the Palm Beach elite. In addition to all of his other businesses, he owns the Palm Beach Polo and Country Club. It's about 13 miles from Mar-a-Lago. If his bio kind of sounds similar to another boastful billionaire, you're definitely on to something. Glenn is kind of like an alternate universe Donald Trump. There's a Forbes article from 2016 that compared the two men's careers.

In the article, Glenn even says Donald Trump is one of his business competitors. Another obvious similarity is their interest in beauty pageants. Donald Trump owned the Miss Universe Miss USA pageant from 1996 until 2015. Here's Donald Trump on The David Letterman Show talking about the pageant in 2009.

How do.

You qualify to be Miss Universe contestants?

You have to be very beautiful. We have a lovely Miss USA. We have 92 countries all told.

Wow.

It's broadcast to 150 countries all over the world, so it's one of the largest broadcasts actually in the world.

Donald Trump was accused by several Miss USA and Teen USA contestants of going backstage while they were getting dressed. He even joked about it on The Howard Stern Show in 2005.

Go backstage before a show.

Yes.

And everyone's getting dressed and ready. And I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting it. Is everyone okay?

Is everybody okay?

And you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that.

Yuck.

It seems to me that a big perk of owning Miss USA for Donald Trump was having access to young women. But according to Glenn, this is where the Donald Trump comparison ends.

Trump, he went backstage, he had to get rid of Miss USA because he saw the girls in bras and panties. I'm saying, hey, Trump, that's your problem, not my problem. But nobody's like Trump. He's one of a kind.

So I asked Glenn why he, an 80-year-old man with no experience in the pageant world, decided to be involved in the purchase of Miss America. He told me he wanted to fund it for his daughters. You know, to give them something to do outside of the hardscrabble world of mining and manufacturing.

I obviously had the money to buy, but I wanted to get my daughter into it. So we're out there trying to buy something softer for them, opposed to just mining, manufacturing, oil, gas, country clubs, and development, you know, those kind of things. I didn't think the kids need to do that. I think they need to raise my grandchildren and give them a little break.

This raised even more questions.

Because if Glenn says he bought the pageant to give his daughter something to do, how did Robin Fleming end up in the mix?

How did you and Robin Fleming meet?

I don't know why everybody always asks that question.

Well, I mean, let's be honest. They aren't exactly a likely duo.

And another reason everyone keeps asking is because Glenn and Robin's official stories about how they met don't match up. According to Robin's deposition in January 2026, She says she was introduced to Glenn in 2007 or 2008. But Glenn seems not exactly sure of the details.

I go to a restaurant for the last 30 years. Always restaurant over at the mall next to Palm Beach Boys.

Sorry if Glenn is hard to understand.

At the top of our call, he informed us that he was eating a burger.

I keep walking by this window and it has dresses in it. So I didn't know if one of the kids wanted to have one of the dresses or an honored grandchildren wanted one of the dresses.

Glenn seems to be saying that maybe they met in Robin's dress shop.

I'm not sure I even went into the store. But she lives on property. She's one of the 1,500 residents we take care of every day.

Or maybe he knows her because she's a tenant in the community he owns.

I recognize her from living on our property.

Glenn also told me he may have met Robin on his yacht.

But wherever they met, according to Glenn, she eventually brought the pageant business opportunity to his attention.

I think she contacted us about, I think, Miss Universe. Maybe she didn't have the money. Maybe she just didn't want to take the chance.

So from my understanding, you met her and had a sort of a casual acquaintance, friendship or relationship with her. And then she reached out to you. Is that what you're saying? To do the Miss Universe deal?

I believe I believe that's 100 percent because I don't I don't go look for the bad business that came to me.

Yeah.

How would you describe companies?

I bankrupted Don, but it was $ 04 million, had nothing to bank. No money to bank, he had a pageant coming up. So that's the same thing as in debt. It definitely was in debt and should have been put in a bankruptcy.

And so how would you describe the nature of you and Robin Fleming's relationship?

Was it strictly business? Were you friends?

Didn't know her before. We don't know her after we....

Okay, Mariah Carey. So if you're following... Glenn.

Was willing to front millions of dollars to go into business with a woman he, quote, didn't know then and he doesn't know now. If you're still confused about this partnership, don't worry.

So was I.

So I called up a reporter who covers Miss America. Business insider journalist, Annetta Constantinides, gave me some backstory on Glenn and Robin's relationship.

So Robin has never been a Miss America contestant. She's a fashion entrepreneur. Glenn Straub is a real estate guy. In 2021, Robin is living at the Palm Beach Polo Country Club, which is a luxury gated.

Community that Glenn owns. And they strike up this friendship.

Robin's in her 50s. I think Glenn at the time is like 78 or something. And in her lawsuit that she later files against Glenn, Robin says that Glenn takes a real interest in her passions for women empowerment groups and especially for pageants.

So according to Annetta, Glenn and Robin knew each other socially, but it was Robin who was interested in pageants.

She told Glenn, and.

For whatever reason, he thought funding one would be a good idea. In his filings, he said he and Robin initially discussed arrangements where they'd be co-owners. But Miss America wasn't the first pageant they tried to purchase. As you just heard in my conversation with Glenn, they were initially interested in buying Miss Universe. Remember, Robyn's experience was with that pageant system, not Miss America.

Here's Annetta again.

So in 2022, Endeavor was shopping around Miss Universe.

Endeavor is a massive sports and entertainment company that grew out of one of Hollywood's biggest talent agencies, William Morris. Today, it controls the company that owns WWE and UFC. In 2015, Endeavor bought the Miss America organization from Donald Trump. That included the Miss Universe, Miss USA, and Miss Teen USA pageants.

They were tired of owning it, and Robin wanted to buy it. And Glenn offered to pony up the $ 20 million that she needed to purchase it. And they kind of decided she would be the owner and he would be the banker.

But the deal didn't go through, allegedly for a pretty dramatic reason.

So Robin goes to Miss Universe and she, you know, gives them this proposal. She lists Glenn as her banker because they need to call him. And then she never hears from them. So Robin loses out on this deal. She doesn't know why.

In court filings, Robin says she got her answer years later after all this Miss America mess started.

She found out that Miss Universe had discovered that Glenn was once arrested for choking a 22-year-old girl at a polo match in 2012, and that's why they decided to not move forward.

In 2012, Glenn was charged with battery.

He was allegedly upset that a group of young people at one of his polo matches were drinking their own alcohol instead of buying it from his facility. In his rage, he allegedly choked a 22-year-old woman in the group. The charge was later dropped because the complainant declined to pursue the case. According to Robbins' initial complaint, she later found out that this is the reason they lost out on the Miss Universe deal.

But at the time, she said she didn't know that.

So after being ghosted by Miss Universe, she and Glenn moved forward with trying to purchase another pageant.

Because remember.

I'm so gung-ho about women empowerment. Women empowerment. I can't say that enough.

Glenn claims to really care about women's empowerment. He said that to me more than once. However, there are a few women who might not agree. Glenn's love life.

Came up in our conversation.

Let's pause here for a second to talk a bit about Glenn's history with women.

There's a 2018 Palm Beach Post article about Glenn with the headline, Polo Developer Dates Women, Then Sues Them. The article goes on to mention four women by name who allege that Straub retaliated against them after their relationship ended. In fact, in 2020, Glenn faced three felony counts for filing false liens against his ex-girlfriend.

Those charges were later dismissed.

Now Robin is including Glenn's alleged misconduct with women in her case against him. We'll tell you more about that on the next episode. For now, let's go back to the sale. Glenn and Robin didn't get to purchase Miss Universe, but it turns out there was an older and more prestigious pageant on the market.

And according to Glenn, it was a lot more desperate.

We found out that Miss America was coming available because they couldn't make their pageant. I remember it came down to where we only put the money up like eight days before they had the pageant. Guys, we felt sorry that they couldn't do it.

Glenn seemed to corroborate that the Miss America organization didn't even have the money to fund the pageant. And that's how the legacy brand got purchased for the price of a pair of shoes and a pinky promise.

That story is coming up after the break.

There was a time when the sale of an American icon like Miss America would have made headline news. But when the program was sold in 2022, there was barely a whisper about it outside of the pageant community. There was one mention of it on the premier pageant streaming service, Pageant Vision.

Today we have some pageantry breaking news.

The Miss America organization has a new CEO and president, and that is Robin Fleming.

The lack of coverage might be why the details of the sale, at least on the surface, are unclear. Now, this part is a little complicated, but to understand this case, you need to understand what changed about the organization when the sale went down. Prior to Robin taking charge, Miss America marketed itself as a non-profit, and they were run by a board. They had to vote to dissolve the old Miss America organization and disband themselves. Then they sold Miss America's name, IP, and assets to Robin. And when they did, for the first time in a long time, Miss America got a sole owner, Robin Fleming, or Glenn Straub, depending on who you believe. To get more clarity on this sale, we looked through the public court records and

got a copy of Miss America's asset purchase agreement. That's the legal document that solidified the Miss America deal. In the asset purchase agreement, there was one detail that actually shocked us. Miss America, the century-old organization that used to draw 80 million viewers, that little pageant that sent thousands of young women to college and launched the successful careers of so many, was sold for $ 100. The purchase agreement said that the buyer would get ownership of Miss America's assets free and clear as long as they agreed to handle the organization's $ 4.

1 million debt.

But the actual amount that exchanged hands to close the deal was just $ 100.

This is a detail not many people know.

Even the reporter we interviewed from Business Insider was gagged.

I don't know the intricacies of the deal or how much it costs. I would be intrigued to know.

Do you know?

Yes, I do know, and I can't wait to tell you. Okay, so basically from the purchase agreement, it seems like they bought Miss America.

For $ 100.

Yes.

No way. They bought it for $.

100 and they had to prove that they could settle Miss America's debts, which were around $ 4 million.

I mean, it's crazy to think like there was once a time where 70 million people were tuning in to watch this pageant and in the year of 2022, its value was $ 100. And I mean, it's interesting to think like Miss America was sold the same year as Miss Universe. Miss Universe was $ 20 million.

That's pretty wild.

For some context, Miss Universe was always a for-profit business, so it's a little bit different. But for the Miss Americas, the fact that this organization they loved was reduced to a $ 100 transaction really hit hard. I asked Miss America 2013 Mallory Hagan if she'd seen the purchase agreement.

She had not, so I told her what we found.

Shut up.

Well, I don't know how far you can stretch $ 100, but it won't even get me through the Publix checkout line.

Again, to be fair, someone in this equation thought Robin was not just good for the $ 100, but for their full $ 4 million debts. And Robin did claim in a 2024 hearing to have a net worth of over $ 10 million. But she hasn't offered proof of that in the public record, which makes Mallory wonder.

What do you mean you have enough money to fund Miss America for the next 100 years?

Mallory dedicated years of her life to this organization. She loved it, even when it was imperfect. A few minutes later, the information about the sale really sunk in for Mallory.

And she stopped laughing.

Miss America. For sale for $ 100. Wow, that actually makes me really sad. I don't know who knows that.

Wow.

In my interviews with former pageant contestants, I also asked them if they knew about the $ 100 sale.

Most of them didn't.

Here's Robin Kaskergy, a contestant who competed in Miss Pennsylvania. Oh, no.

Crap, I would have bought the Miss America organization for that.

And here's the first Black Miss Massachusetts, Gabby Tavares.

I think that that's fascinating.

And that means she is the smartest businesswoman of our lifetime.

Because that means that she.

Made her money back and then some.

I love that. That is brilliant.

You just showed me a new way to buy businesses or something.

I feel like I just got a new business strategy. Wow, she's good.

She's good.

Oh, I'm mad I didn't think about it first.

And Leah Juliet, a contestant who competed in Miss Connecticut. Miss America was sold for $ 100. Well, that just goes to show.

It's all just a game.

It's all just a joke.

Like, what is the value of these women?

Probably the most poignant response came from Ryan Richardson. Ryan competed in the Miss America system for years and won the Miss Philadelphia title in 2009.

That's sad.

Part of me is like, wow, that's really devastating. And I think it's the part of me that at some point, like, bought in to that. the story and the mythology and the, you know, has a dozen Miss America history books in my library. And then the part of me that actually was developed by competing in Miss America and built the critical thinking skills to look at this objectively and also built a career in business, thanks in part to scholarships that Miss America provided me to go to college. I say that $ 100 is about what the brand was worth.

At the point.

That sounds like a fair deal to me, Robin.

You got a good sale, girl.

I mean, maybe this is the meta question for the podcast. What is Miss America at this point?

It's a good question, and hopefully one we'll answer by the end of this season. But for now, I want to know how this $ 100 transfer led to the conflict over who really owned Miss America.

Here's Glenn's side of the story.

She wouldn't come up with a quarter million dollars. That's all we asked her for. And she wouldn't do it.

According to Glenn, during early discussions of the deal in 2022, he and Robin discussed plans for co-ownership. To demonstrate that they had financial capacity to buy Miss America's assets, the Miss America organization asked them to put $ 250, 000 into an escrow account.

In emails with.

Glenn's lawyer, Robin writes that she, quote, didn't have the money liquid.

On that day to transfer funds.

And according to Glenn, she refused to sign any documents that would structure the money for the sale as a loan to her. This is the moment Glenn says they abandoned any notion that they'd be co-owners. He would own Miss America and she'd run things on the day-to-day as his employee. After that, Glenn says the deal went through for basically nothing and the promise that Glenn could assume the debt.

But when I asked him about the.

Specifics of how he showed he could take on that debt, he wasn't interested in giving me an answer. So when you purchased Miss America and assumed the debts, I imagine you needed to be able to show some documentation that you had the money to pay the debts. Do you know what documentation was shown? And like, was your name on it?

Are you kidding me? You're trying to question, I'm a major developer in Florida. If you don't have the money, I couldn't buy any one of the country clubs that we own or any one of the marinas we own without having some kind of a track record. that we own these things 100%. With no debt. So what do you mean by I have to prove?

No, no, no.

I imagine, did you, did you have, did they take it, they knew.

Your reputation so they took you at the word or did they want to see a bank account?

That's what I, what I don't know. I'm like, I know, I know who you are, but like.

I was never asked. I cannot tell you what attorney client privilege is, but I was never asked to produce them because I would laugh at them. Nobody questions my ability to Guarantee $ 4 million. That's a joke. No one ever asked me. So ask the lawyer that. They're the ones that did negotiate. I'm on the outside.

But here's the thing. It wasn't Glenn's name on the purchase agreement.

It was Robyn's.

All of the official paperwork regarding the sale has Robyn's name on it. She signed with the title of president on some docs and CEO and manager on others. Glenn says Robinside is his employee. He claimed that he was the rightful owner because he assumed the debts, even if his name wasn't on the dotted line. But Robin sees things differently. According to Robin, Glenn was never the owner.

He was just a banker. In her court filings, she says that even though they never.

Signed anything guaranteeing he'd loan her the money, the sale went ahead with her as the owner, and she alleges that Glenn was just the money guy behind the scenes. This feud played out in the courtroom in some of the nastiest legal filings I've ever seen. They're pointing fingers, pulling skeletons out of each other's closets, and fighting for control of the pageant.

In the lawsuit, Robin does mention there was a moment where Glenn asked if they could become friends with benefits, and she politely turned him down via text and said, I'm too conservative for that.

How could that vicious woman How did she turn this around?

It's all culminating this year, and it's looking like Robyn's winning. Just a few months ago, a judge dismissed Glenn's counterclaim to ownership, saying that Glenn's case was full of willful and egregious fabrications and amounted to fraud.

They better have their ducks in a row because it's all right.

But Glenn's not going away quietly, and Robyn isn't done fighting either. That's coming up on the next episode. We sent Robin Fleming a list of questions regarding the purchase of Miss America in the ongoing lawsuit. In response, we received a letter from her lawyer declining to comment.

Your willing subjects are out there waiting for you.

The new Miss America, here she comes!

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