Bonus Episode: Addressing the Tila Tequila Rumor, Billy Corgan’s Shapeshifter, and a Glorious Rock ‘N’ Roll Jimmy Kimmel Performance.

0:01 Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life, just to touch, to get you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, the little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard, to dig into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. Of this bonus episode. Guys, we are discussing the Tila Tequila rumor regarding our new friend Billy Corgan. And speaking of friends, we're getting into friend of the pod Low Connie's performance on the Jimmy

0:53 Kimmel Show this week, and we get into your emails, comments, dms, and as always a whole lot of rosie. This is the pot for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgrace Lands, where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All Right, disc goes let's get into it, all right, guys. In this week's Disgrace Land episode on Smashing Pumpkins, we get into Billy Corgan's claim that at one point he was with a woman in bed and he saw that woman shape shift into another being. Now, I know this is insane. It's the type of ludicrous story that we really don't get into here in Disgrace Them,

1:47 but we talked about it this week in the Billy Corgan Smashing Pumpkins episode, because I'm interested in why Billy Corgan would publicly make a claim like this, as he did twice on the Howard Stern Show. So I'm more interested in the reason why he would say something like this than I am interested in whether or not I think this actually happened. For the record, I do not believe that this happened. I don't believe that shape shifters exist.

2:14 I believe in a lot of crazy shit, but shape shape shifters, excuse me, are It's not just I don't believe in them, Okay, but there are plenty of people who do. And you know whatever, go ahead, believe believe what you want to believe. It turns out that people on the Internet who do believe in shape shifters. Some of them also believe in a lot of wackadu conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories that are often centered around music industry celebrities and Hollywood types media elites who are caught up in all kinds of evil doings. I'm talking specifically about what is known as the Ball theory, be a apostrophe, a l The theory of Ball is a super viral conspiracy theory entertained by I don't want to say serious people, more

3:04 like want to be Alex Jones types. And I do, however, want to point out that regular people on the Internet, some of them, anyways, I guess, who are bored, who are not very curious, perhaps gullible, or some combination of everything that I just mentioned. These folks, some of them do believe in this theory. I've seen it. I read the comments. Okay, and the theory of Ball proponents believe, as the theory goes, that rock stars, Hollywood celebrities, in media elites worship a false deity named Ball, and that they make blood sacrifices in exchange for their fame. Blah blah blah. I get it. Okay, So, in other words, Jeffrey Epstein wasn't just a pedo he worshiped Ball. Sean Didy Combs wasn't just an abusive sex free key worship ball.

3:55 Chrissy Tigan is not just a shitty bully. She worships Ball and Billy Kor didn't just see a person shape shift into another being? He did so while ceremonially worshiping Ball. Here's my problem with these theories. Aside from the obvious, I guess this is my problem with the world that we live in right now. Can it be enough that Jeffrey Epstein is just a proven pedophile, or that Sean Diddy Comb's is a convicted abusive sex freak. Can it be enough that there are online receipts proving Chrissy Tagan's deplorable behavior, and that Billy Corgan one of the biggest rock stars of the nineties, a figure still very much in the culture. Can it be enough that he claims he saw a human shape shift into another being. I mean,

4:44 that's pretty fucked up in and of itself. No, why do we have to take it to this other place? I ask because when we posted on Instagram this week our preview of the Billy corgan story, a bunch of people chimed in the Billy had already revealed that the person that he saw shape shift was reality TV star Tila Tequila, which Billy Corgan absolutely did not do. Okay, He has never claimed that Tila Tequila is the woman that he claims he saw shape shift to do another being naturally. When I saw these comments at I wanted to know what the fuck was. I was like, do we miss something? What's going on? People are so certain he already revealed it was Tila Tequila. It's Tila Tequila.

5:38 Dumbass anyways, Uh you know, so I go online, I try to dig into this admittedly absurd claim, and I get sucked into this fucking world of ball. Okay, quick side note, By the way, the best most entertaining example of the ball theory in this occult God's influence on celebrities is the Anderson Cooper photo where he's seated on his bed as a child with his mother, the heiress Gloria Vanderbilt, in front of a piece of art on the wall the conspiracy theorists claim depicts a ball blood ritual sacrifice. You can look this up. The ball theorists are onto something here, as crazy as it is, because the artwork in the photo is fucked up. Whatever it is, it is certainly too fucked up to be hanging in a child's bedroom. But maybe Gloria Vanderbilt just had some

6:24 weird taste in art or whatever. I'm not judging, okay, and I'm also not saying that Anderson Cooper is part of this whole fucking ball ritual blood sacrifice cult. Okay. Back to Billy Corgan and Tila Tequila. Billy Corgan never admitted the shape shifter was Tila Tequila. Okay, file this under people. They just hear a snippet of information online and they take it as truth. He already said it was Tillo Tequila, and now we didn't. He did not say that. There is online discourse that does claim Tila Tequila, who once kind of sort of dated Billy Corgan, was the shape shifter. But if you dig through the ball nonsense connected to this claim, you'll quickly find the source of this Tila Tequila claim that she was the shape

7:07 shifter of Billy Corgan's You'll find the source that says that. And the source is you ready for it. There is no source there's a dude in a fucking Twitch gamer studio or whatever on the Rumble app with an unsourced letter from an anonymous Chicago musician who, I shit, you not know someone who heard something from someone who says Billy Corgan told them the shape shifter was Tila Tequila.

7:33 It's fucking dumb, my brain. I'm dumber for even saying these words right now. I can't believe I'm talking about it. So why am I talking about it? Right Well? I wanted to talk about, like I said, I wanted to talk about why, why Billy Corgan would make this claim? That's interesting to me. I like Billy Corgan. Sure he says a lot of provocative things, but he's thoughtful and he's a provocateur, and we need that in our culture. Safe, carefully spoken rock stars are boring rock stars, and we have enough of those. And I think Billy Corgan either thinks he saw a shape shifter or he hallucinated and is convinced that he saw a shape shifter. And yeah, it might even be Tila Tequila. I mean it makes sense.

8:10 She looks like a fucking lizard anyways, and her opinions are certainly subhuman. But Billy Corgan never claimed it was Tila Tequila. He already said it was Deal tequila. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. There's no proof anywhere that supports this, and this is just another example, much like the allegations against John Fruchiante from last week pertaining to Ruver Phoenix. This's another example of that where people just very online, people just accept things without proof, without sources. I wrote in my notes, I don't know why this bothers me so much, but I do know why it bothers me. Now you can say this is dumb, this is stupid. I shouldn't even be breathing air into these theories, these conversations, shouldn't be having them, but I

8:50 do think it's important to talk about. And the reason that this bothers me so much is because I believe in the truth. When I say that, I'm talking about the truth in music history specifically, and lately, the more I look around the internet, particularly on YouTube or in the comments sections on in our Instagram, you know, and this is why Instagram works. With a side note, right nowadays, Instagram, it most of it doesn't go out to you guys, the followers who follow me on Instagram. When I post something, it goes to non followers and people who just fucking jump in the comments and say dumb shit and I know don't read the comments. Well, I'm discouraged because I feel like as a society we are quickly losing our

9:32 grip on the truth. We are quickly losing our grip on what's real, on what actually happened, and the Internet, more and more is filled with bullshit. YouTube is a perfect example, the music history videos on YouTube, with these insanely sensationalized claims, these fucking wackado, cheesy thumbnails and titles of the videos. Very little of it is backed by actual research and actual truth. And some of these videos rack up gazillions of views. And this is why I care, because sooner or later, the bullshit is going to outbalance the actual history, and sooner or later, when that happens, the AI overlords are not going to be able to discern between what actually happened versus what the most viral

10:27 video on the Internet says happened. And when that takes place, we're all fucked. Okay, I'm interested in the real music history because real music history is already crazy enough it's wild that Billy Corgan actually said he saw a fucking shape shifter. That is crazy enough. People. The point of the show, the point of what I've been doing for the last few years, is that what rock stars do, what rockstars say. Okay, what actually happened in music history.

10:56 These stories are crazy enough, They're endlessly compelling. We don't need to take everything to the nth degree and start inventing stories and conspiracies that did not take place. Tila Tequila and some ball a cult sex sacrifice. I've spent this whole podcast so far talking about this bullshit, and I haven't yet once mentioned the actual, real, batshit crazy things that Tila Tequila has said. And I'm not going to to prove my point, to prove that all this shitty, sensationalized storytelling is a drag on the truth. We should be talking about why Billy Corgan would associate himself with someone who once said Hitler was a quote man of compassion.

11:35 But we're not. Again, We're talking about fucking ball Okay. Part of the reason I think Billy Corgan has said these things, has said this in particular, is because, like I said earlier, he's a provocateur, but he's also a student of music history himself, and he understands that throughout music history, musicians have made outrageous claims like John Lennon in the UFO, like Ozzy Osbourne in the Leprechauns. Okay, he gets this, He understands, and he knows that as a rock star, it's part of the gig in a lot of ways, okay, and it's what differentiates him. And like I said, he may actually believe he saw that.

12:18 People do a lot of fucked up shit. They take a lot of drugs, and they see things. Fuck, man, I've seen things. Okay, never seen a leprechaun or a fucking shape shifter, but I've seen things that I go, whoa wait, what the fuck was that? Differences? I can't go on Howard Stern yet and talk about this stuff.

12:36 He can't, and he does, and I'm I'm glad he does, but I want to know why he does. That's the interesting part, the motivation. Anyways, like I said, he knows lots of rock stars have made claims like this that and are going to unpack a bunch more of them in the exclusive section of this Year After Party Bonus episode.

12:54 Go to Disgrace onpod dot com to sign up to get in on that conversation plus more exclusive content and ad free listening to Grace lampod dot com. All right, got carried away there, I gotta calm down. Hold on, need some coffee. Coffee is like the last thing I need right now, but hold on, Tila, fuck it, Tequila kidding me? Anyways, listen. This week, coming up in the feed another story that the conspiracy theorists don't need any help with. It's the story of Debbie Harry and Blondie.

13:29 I made the mistake last week in the after party of mentioning that that was what was coming up in the rewind. I fucked up. Actually I didn't fuck up. Someone else did not gonna name names, Brett the intern, but we ended up saying that Woods sorry that Debbie Harry was coming when it wasn't. It was Woodstock. That was the last rewind episodes. This week, we definitely have Blondie and Debbie Harry coming up in the feed in the rewind slot, and everything I said about it last week pertains to this week. Same stuff. People go crazy over this story because they think that Debbie Harry is me it up. She's an unreliable narrator, just like Billy Corgan.

14:03 That's what they think, that she's making up this experience she had with none other than Ted BONDI. I believe Debbie Harry. And it's not just because of just knee jerk just believing what she says, because she's a rock star, she's a victim or whatever it's. It's because the facts actually when you look at them, when you dig into history, when you dig, when you dig just like an inch deeper into the surface level of all this, you will find that her depiction of what happened is actually backed by the facts. And that's coming up in the Blondie episode this week in the rewind slot. Then after that our new episode on the Almond Brothers. Yes, finally it's here, as requested, our episode on the Almond Brothers. Now. I

14:51 don't think the Almond Brothers liked being categorized as a Southern rock band. But I mean, you kind of when you think Southern rock, you just think you think Almond Brothers, You think Leonard Skinnered, Right, that's what you think. But there's a whole other world of great rock and roll from the South and I want to know from you guys, who is your favorite Southern rock band. Okay, don't be afraid to call the Almend Brothers that I doubt very much that any of them are gonna hear this episode. Okay, now listen, this is a big category. It's not just the Almen Brothers and Leonard Skinner. Tom Petty's from Florida.

15:28 The Heartbreakers are from Florida. I mean, you can go even deeper. You can go like bark Ky's. Okay, you can. I don't know, big Star. There's all kinds of Southern great great great Southern rock and roll, all right, and I'm thinking more sort of the era of the Almond Brothers and Leonard Skinner seventies eighties nine Black Crows for example, great Southern rock band, great great great. So get out of six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.

15:54 I want your take on the greatest Southern rock bands of all time. I want to talk about it next week in the after party. So hit me up, me a voicemail, send me a text, Email me Disgrace Ladpod at gmail dot com. We'll be back in a flash with your voicemails, texts, and vms after this all right, guys, we are back. I'm on the phone with this one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone. I want to do some voicemails. Want to do some text from you guys on all subjects relative to disgrace Lands six one seven nine oh six six six three eight. You want to get at me, that's the easiest way to do it. You can also hit me up disgrace lamdpod at gmail dot com if you want to email me.

16:37 And I'm in the Patreon chat. I'm on Patreon with Ze and the rest of the crew, the rest of the disco's, rest of the Disgraceland community in there, talking music, talking movies, talking whatever. Let's go to the six one four A.

16:55 Discos. It's jew Balloon from the six one four Okay, Love Courtney Love can't help it, got a lover. She was just the trashiest bitch for the longest of times, and maybe she still is. I've kind of lost track. I kind of was pretty obsessed with her when I bought Hole. I just bought Hole because they were called Whole, so had to have the album. And yeah, as far as chick bands back in that time, the best other than L seven, but talking about underground New York City bands unsane. I am the goddess of the unsane, and that is all.

17:45 All right you, but thank you for the call. There's a lot you get into here. Courtney Love. We're talking about Courtney Love last week, and there is a Courtney Love episode coming at some point. The drumbeat is getting louder and louder and louder. It's funny you mentioned L seven in New York City bands. When I played Warp ninety seven, it was with L seven and with Sick of It All, who I was talking about last week, and I remember they had a really cool camaradity both those bands backstage, and I just thought that that was really interesting because you wouldn't normally associate those two together.

18:14 As for the unsaying, I'm very aware of the unsaying. Once I once stayed at a member of the unsaans loft in Brooklyn back in the nineties, way back in the day, back when going to Brooklyn wasn't really a thing you did. And also I saw unsaying a number of times. The last time I saw them downstairs at the Middle East, it was literally so it was the loudest thing. I've literally the loudest show I've ever been to, probably the loudest show I've ever ever been to in my life. I could feel the inside of my stomach rattling, and I actually got nauseous and had to leave from the volume of the band. And I love unsaying. Great group. Yeah, I don't know what Goddess of the unsaying means, JUBI, but you know I'm interested. Let me know. Hit me

19:02 back six one seven nine or six six sixty three eight. This comes from the six one five. Hey, I have a Facebook group that I'm starting out. It's called Perspectives about how perspectives are revealed in music, and your Billy Corgan slash Smashing Pumpkins story had me hitting my steering wheel. Yes, yes, yes, pain can be expressed ugly and sharp or maybe with an orchestra and strings. Gave you guys a nod and links. Sorry, still a very small group. Well that's okay, six one five, We don't mind. Thanks for thanks for hitting us up, and thanks for spreading the disgraceland word. And you're absolutely right about perspective and yeah, you know this whole Billy Corgan Smashing Pumpkins episode It's not just about him and

19:38 the shape Shifter, although that's what the discourse has been. It's also very much about perspective and about pain, and I thank you for bringing that up. This one from the sixty three to nine. Hey, Jake, I'm a fairly new listener from Canada and I'm about halfway through and you are a wonderful storyteller. Oh thank you. And you have really opened my eyes on different music. And I'm also a crime junkie. And you wanted to know what people wanted played at their funeral. Well, mine is Bette Midler.

20:03 Wind Beneath Your Wings, rock a rolla score one for Bette Midler. Listen. Bette Midler one of those artists I came across and researching New York Dolls back in the day, and I didn't realize the extent of Bette Midler's sort of downtown cool pre Bette Midler as we know her now. So I'm very interested in Bette Midler's backstory and her come up, and it's something that I'm going to get into at some point. I literally read the scene, you know, is when New York Dolls were playing was the Mercer Arts Center, and in like, you know, there's rumors that like Jimmy Hendricks was around. I don't know if that makes sense timeline wise, and I didn't really put much credence in that, but there there was specifically Bette Midler

20:43 was there, which I just thought was whoa whoao Bette Midler really at a New York doll show. That's that's pretty interesting. Four to one O rights and hey, Jake Beck's from the four one oh. Just listen to your new Dolly Parton episode learn some great new things. Want to ask, do you have any recommendations for more information about murder ballads? I do. Actually, there's a great book.

21:02 It's behind me here, hold on one second, got it. It's called Crime Song True Crime Stories from Southern Murder Ballads by Richard h. Underwood. I highly recommend it. It's scholarly, but it's not too scholarly, if you know what I mean. It's not boring. It's fascinating. And in particular, I think we talk in the Dolly Parton episode in particular about Knoxville Girl. Yeah, we definitely do, and it really traces that song back to its roots over in Europe, to the song Oxford Girl, which became Knoxford Girl. It goes even deeper than that, goes like one hundred years or two hundred years further into sort of Gaelic, the Gaelic tradition, if I'm saying that correctly. And there's and it gets into a bunch of other songs in here as well.

21:51 It's not just Knoxville Girl. I think every song is a chapter anyways. Crime song by Richard h Underwood. All right, check that out, six four six rights and Hey, Jake, I hope you and the family are doing well. As a Knicks fan, I wanted to ask your opinion on the Jalen Brown trade to Philadelphia. My opinion is this six four six See you later, wasn't I was a fan of Jalen Brown the basketball player, was not a fan of Jalen Brown the basketball player behind the microphone and online and it just seemed like he didn't really care about being a teammate or care about winning. I mean, he finished, they went out in horrible fashion in the playoffs, and his first comments on the mic are about how this was his favorite year. Whatever they had. They had

22:42 to split up him in Tatum. It was never gonna work for a million different reasons. That's just one of them. And I don't think they're going to be that much better without him, but at least I don't know it'll be different. I don't know. Yeah, him with Lebron though, that's funny. I like it. Jamie from the seven one six right, I said, Hey, I'm a little behind on episodes, but in a recent behind the scenes you were talking about needing an angle for an episode on Fiona Apple.

23:08 A lesser known fact about her is that she's an avid court watcher and criminal justice reform advocate. Could be an interesting fresh take for the pot. I love that. Did not know that seven one six and I appreciate it, Thank you very much. All Right, listen, I want to give you a little bit more on Billy Corgan. I didn't know this until we get into the research. Now, you've been saying the smashing pumpkins wrong in your head for thirty years. No, the smashing pumpkins are not destroying pumpkins.

23:35 Smashing isn't a verb here. It's British slang like that party was smashing. It means fantastic, amazing, a total knockout. So the band's name isn't a violent image. The band's name is a compliment. They're not smashing pumpkins. They are smashing pumpkins as in Incredible Ones. And this isn't fan theory either. Billy Corgan confirmed it himself years later, telling this actual origin in the story, He said the word smashing was meant to convey something fantastical and amazing, and then he paired it with pumpkins because it added that contrast, something dark and cool next to something goofy and playful, and that juxtaposition perfectly captures the band's sound. All right, disc goes, don't go anywhere, keep yourself captured. We'll be

24:18 back right after this with your emails and more. All right, guys, we're back. Disgraceingpod at gmail dot com. This one comes from Stanley Starbuck, subject shape Shifters message, Jake, thank you for the caring and humane ways you treat people with difficult lives in your podcast. I think you were helping people think about meaningful ways of dealing with and stopping the cycles of abuse that we all want to escape.

24:59 I had a shape shifter experience with a coyote. We have twoy rabbits where we live, so I keep a live trap out for them all summer. I moved them to distant prairies so few of them are starving to death in the winter. One morning, my wife woke me up early because there was a crying sound outside and it had to be the rabbit trap. When I stepped outside, I immediately saw the trap tipped over with a rabbit in it, and there was a deer standing next to it, just staring at me. And while I was looking at the deer just ten feet away from me, I saw it transform into a coyote. Of course, it was a coyote wanting to take advantage of the trapped rabbit, But why did it appear much larger and as a completely

25:40 different animal when we first started our staring contest. After I saw it shrinked out and change it to a coyote, I said, you don't need to eat that, and the coyote trotted off into the night. I took the rabbit to a new home on a restored prairie later that morning, and that's my shape shifter experience. The strangest part that stays with me is that I never felt with any fear, and it did not seem as though the coyote was afraid of me either. It was not a dream, but it was surreal. Stanley, I thank you for the message, appreciate it. I don't know what to say to that.

26:13 It's truly mind blowing. And who am I to question what you saw? That's the thing, you know, Like I know it sounds ridiculous, like you hear the Billy Corgan story and you just immediately go, oh, he's fucking with us, you know what I mean, Like he's just and maybe he is. And yeah, I mentioned the whole provocateur thing earlier, but I do reserve a little bit of leeway in my thinking here. Perhaps he thinks he actually saw that, just like Stanley here. I'm not gonna argue with Stanley.

26:43 I'm not gonna argue with Billy Corgan. I am going to argue with the nerds on the internet who just shut down any thinking and just you know, make wild claims. Those are the fuckers. I'm gonna argue with more smashing Pumpkins, this one from Delbert Brown, who right saying, Hey, I don't know if I can agree that Pumpkins filled the vacuum left by Nirvana. Despite the notoriety of the band, the Vacuum sucked lots of other bands into our ears as well. I remember the first time someone asked me about smashing Pumpkins and I said, yeah, we do with every Halloween. That's a band. Weirdly, I listened to More Patent Era, Faith, No More Headpe and Pantera. Siamese Dreams a great album, but the real vacuum is Billy Corgan.

27:19 He sucks. The band has talent, but that doesn't excuse his behavior. I think his contemporaries were spot on. I saw them in ninety six with Garbage opening, and it was about his cookie cutter and boring of a concert I've ever attended. I love the stern interview, though, especially when Howard is more concerned with the otherworldly entities junk size.

27:36 Even he couldn't take it seriously. Why even talk about something like that without putting a name on it? You think retaliation will put less eyes on it. Let's be weird for the sake of putting yourself back in the public eye with a goofy claim because you are becoming irrelevant. Delbert, you got a lot to say here, man, and I might not agree with you, but it is of you that I know lots of you have, and that's why I read your email, and I love the ash behind it as well. Delbert right back to me anytime. This email comes from Eric Zerhid, who writes in, Hey guys, I'm a new listener and I love your podcast episode with Stuff they don't want you to know, which I've been listening to for years, searching through your back catalog

28:13 and realizing I'll never catch up. I was hoping to find something on metalcore band as I lay dying. Now I won't spoil the story for I'm going to stop you right here, Eric, Okay, because we are literally in the process of putting this episode together right now. Okay, it's a come in your way. Appreciate the email. Guys.

28:30 You want to email me about the subject we're discussing that week in the full episode of Disgraceland. You want to email me about anything else, go for it. Disgrace landpod at gmail dot com. You might hear yourself here on the After Party. All right, I'm recording this on a Wednesday. That means the dirty res are coming out today.

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29:51 All right, guys, I'm back after this, all right. Before we get into the recap here, I just want to say last, let's see the Tuesday Night that just we just passed. Loka Connie, Adam Wiener, that's his band. Adam's been on the show before. They had a pretty significant thing take place. They performed live on The Jimmy Kimmel Show in Studio. It aired on Tuesday Night, and my, oh my, did Adam and the gang bring it. They were fucking great. And the thing that's so cool about the performance is Adam was totally Adam. He just did his thing. He you know, he brought what he brings to the stage every night to live television. He didn't do some safe version of a song for television. He was out there on the piano stool on one foot,

30:53 bent over, banging on the keys, jumps off, grabs the mic, goes right to the camera, gets right in the camera's face, starts saying just it was perfect, Loka Connie. I'm so happy for my friend Adam. I'm so happy for the band. They deserve this. They are quite quite literally the hardest working band and show business. Adam hasn't stopped since he started this band ten or so years ago or whenever it was. And I'm happy that they're receiving the recognition and these opportunities. It's not just good for Adam, who's a friend of the show and my personal friend, it's also great for rock and roll. They are the real deal.

31:31 If you guys haven't heard Loka Connie, I employe to go check them out. They are fantastic. They literally don't have a bad album. You can start with Barack Obama's favorite song though, Boozophelia, and I'm not even joking about that. Check that out Google Loka Connie Boozophelia on YouTube. You'll have a great time. And then you can check them out on Jimmy Kimmel as well. All right, let's recap, shall we never want? This week? Our new episode on Smashing Pumpkins is available for you right now and the rewind slot this weekend. Our classic episode on Blondie next week, our new episode on The Alman Brothers comes your Ways.

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32:49 Back on September eighth, nineteen ninety four, the Smashing Pumpkins played at the VMAs, and this is what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard Charts, Number one I'll Make Love to You Boys to Men last week one peak position one weeks on chart eight, Number two Stay I Missed You weeks from Reality Bites Lisa Lobe and nine Stories number last week peak position one week's on chart nineteen Sorry number three number wild NXT.

33:22 John Mellon number four last week last peak position face weeks on chart sixty position number four weeks When Can I See You Can Behave? Last week peak position, last weeks on art position number five. Quit talking and start mixing, dumbass