Demis Hassabis — Scaling, superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, AlphaFold

Here is my episode with Demis Hassabis, CEO of Google DeepMind
We discuss:
* Why scaling is an artform
* Adding search, planning, & AlphaZero type training atop LLMs
* Making sure rogue nations can't steal weights
* The right way to align superhuman AIs and do an intelligence explosion
Watch on YouTube (youtu.be/qTogNUV3CAI). Listen on Apple Podcasts (podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/demis-hassabis-s…), Spotify (open.spotify.com/episode/6SWbwjYPs5WevIoCCiSBy…), or any other podcast platform. Read the full transcript here (dwarkeshpatel.com/i/142112869/transcript).
Timestamps
(0:00:00) - Nature of intelligence
(0:05:56) - RL atop LLMs
(0:16:31) - Scaling and alignment
(0:24:13) - Timelines and intelligence explosion
(0:28:42) - Gemini training
(0:35:30) - Governance of superhuman AIs
(0:40:42) - Safety, open source, and security of weights
(0:47:00) - Multimodal and further progress
(0:54:18) - Inside Google DeepMind

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