Mark Zuckerberg — AI will write most Meta code in 18 months

Zuck on:
* Llama 4, benchmark gaming
* Intelligence explosion, business models for AGI
* DeepSeek/China, export controls, & Trump
* Orion glasses, AI relationships, and preventing reward-hacking from our tech.
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TIMESTAMPS
(00:00:00) – How Llama 4 compares to other models
(00:11:34) – Intelligence explosion
(00:26:36) – AI friends, therapists & girlfriends
(00:35:10) – DeepSeek & China
(00:39:49) – Open source AI
(00:54:15) – Monetizing AGI
(00:58:32) – The role of a CEO
(01:02:04) – Is big tech aligning with Trump?
(01:07:10) – 100x productivity

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