Campy and Creeping Dread Horror, plus The Movies That (De)Formed Us | SVU

0:05 A late night encounter on network TV. A sleepover at a friend's house. Lacks parental oversight. We all had a memorable first encounter with horror movies. This week, we share ours. I'm Jordan Hoffman.

0:23 And I'm Matt Singer. With more movies, more series, more stuff going straight to streaming than ever before. It felt like the right time for a podcast that keeps track of it all, and that podcast is FilmSpottingSVU. This Halloween week, we'll share the horror movies that formed us, or perhaps deformed us, and we'll tell you where to find them on streaming. Plus, we're going to recommend some campy horror movies.

0:54 We're going to recommend some creeping dread movies. We'll also tell you about this week's new to VOD and streaming titles. And we're going to play a game that Jordan has not been able to shut up about. So it better be good, Jordan.

1:09 It's going to be fun. It's all coming up.

1:12 No, I'm saying it.

1:13 I'm saying it. All right, you say it. You say it. You say it. Okay.

1:16 It's all coming up on this spooktacket. It's all coming. You know what? You better say it because I can't say it.

1:29 Welcome to Film Spotting SVU. I want to point out, Matt Singer is in a hotel room right now in Iowa City, Iowa, and it's early. It's pretty damn early, so he can't scream, rex egg. He's got handcuffs on because he might wake up.

1:42 I don't want to be too loud. I don't want to get complaints.

1:44 He'll get thrown out. The Sheridan will bar him. He'll never be able to sleep in a Sheridan again.

1:50 Do you think anyone has ever gotten a noise complaint in a hotel room? For doing a podcast.

1:55 For doing a movie podcast. For making pornography, yes. Although what's more disgusting than that is our podcast. That's the true pornography.

2:02 They're recording a podcast very loudly next door and I can't get any sleep. Anyway, later in the show, we have, I think, two... listener streaming requests.

2:14 That's right.

2:15 We're getting them all out because we asked, we kept asking, we need Halloween streaming recommendations.

2:19 We need them. We need them.

2:20 And they came and now it's the last week of October. We better get them all. We got to get them out the door before they're, you know, we got to put them on the clearance rack or something. So we're going to be recommending campy horror movies. We're going to be recommending some creeping dread horror movies. Of course we have the game, which is going to be hosted by Jordan this week. But first, This is an idea that Jordan felt very strongly about. So I hope he has a good answer. But we got to talk about the horror movies that scared us, terrified us.

2:51 The horror movies that formed us or perhaps deformed us.

2:55 That's right.

2:56 Come play with us, Danny.

3:00 Forever.

3:04 And ever.

3:05 Forever.

3:07 This month on Film Spotting SVU, we spent time on every episode exploring the world of horror in honor of Halloween. We talked about Goody Goody. We talked about Carrie. We talked about the scariest movie of all, Matchbox, the movie. And we're the only podcast to ever think to do this as well. Why no one has ever tried to watch and talk about scary movies around Halloween? I don't know.

3:33 We're pioneers. We're innovators. I'm proud of us.

3:37 For St. Patrick's Day month, can we do only Irish movies?

3:40 We're going to only review movies that have the color green in them. They're monochromatic.

3:47 History of the World Part 1. Everything's so green, man. All right, continue.

3:52 So we are FilmSpottingSVU. We are FilmSpotting Streaming Video Unit. And in that regard and doing that job, walking that beat to go to the SVU parlance here. I personally, I don't know if you feel this way, Jordan, but I feel like I've discovered something so far in the 20, I think, eight episodes we've done so far. A lot of streaming movies are really bad. So instead of reviewing another bad streaming movie this week, for the final week of Film Spotting's scary video unit, we are going to dip back into our own pasts. We're going to talk about the formative, horror movies of our childhoods, the scariest things we ever saw as kids. And what I certainly am prepared to talk about, even if Jordan is not,

4:43 is like, why did they scare us? And what we think about them today.

4:47 Oh, okay.

4:48 So Jordan, I think you should start. This was your idea.

4:51 Sure, sure.

4:52 What's your pick for the scariest thing you saw as a kid? And why was it Star Trek III, The Search for Spock?

4:58 The Faltor Pan. Yeah, well... It's funny that Sam nailed it with lax parental supervision, because this one is truly my mother's fault.

5:12 Does your mother listen to this podcast, Jordan?

5:16 My mother barely knows what a podcast is.

5:18 Okay, proceed.

5:20 It's the radio, but what station is it on? She doesn't know.

5:22 I'm just curious. Just curious.

5:24 Okay, proceed. So. And it's funny, as I was thinking about this, I was reminded of a good friend of mine, my friend Kerry Dye, who's probably not listening, but shout out to Kerry, the great screenwriter and author of a YA novel, Grady Jones and the Great Detective Game. Everybody should read that when they're done reading Funny Business. And Kerry Dye's a smidge older than I am, just a smidge. But when you're young, that makes a difference. So he was old enough to be taken at the age of four or something, four and a half. His mother took him to Star Wars, the first Star Wars that was just called Star Wars.

6:00 And his mother, may she rest in peace, she was a wonderful woman. I got to know her quite well. Really nice woman. But she made a gaffe. She made a parenting gaffe. And she said to him, just as the lights dimmed, oh, I'm taking my kid to see Star Wars. I know there's a lot of lasers and ships and explosions. And she said to him, okay, so Carrie, you might get a little bit scared. But just remember, it's just a movie. And then.

6:30 And when you're really little, the sound... Screamed and cried for the whole duration of Star Wars because he had been told by his mother, the woman he trusted more than anyone else in the world, that you will be scared by this. As a result, I went to film school with Carrie... It was me and Carrie and Louis Leterrier all screaming, and everybody else loved Star Wars and Empire.

6:52 He had no connection to Star Wars. C-3PO, R2-D2, just had no connection to it, hated it his whole life because this deep down psychosis that was instilled in him by his mother. And to this day, still, like, when the prequels came out, Phantom Menace, it's like, oh, I don't want to see that. Anyway, so God bless funny parenting.

7:16 So my story is a little bit similar. My older sister never watched black and white movies. And she just had a thing. It was like, I won't watch black and white. Matt, either of your kids, do they put the hammer down and say no black and white?

7:31 They have complained in general of that movie is old. They don't even care if it's black and white. If it gives off the vibe of old. And my oldest child has recently asked me, how old is that movie? She's on to me, Jordan. She's wise to my game.

7:49 Yeah. There's another friend of ours and her daughter is like, I won't watch a movie from before the time of cell phones. Wow. It's not about color, black and white. It's like, can they tweet, I guess is the line. All right, anyway, so I was a little bit more, you know, if it was Blackcomb, I didn't seem to care.

8:10 If it was a good comedy, you know, I like the Three Stooges and whatnot, so I was okay with Blackcomb. But I was very, very young during this encounter. And it's going to make me sound like the ultimate classicist. I'm going to sound like the most down the line, down the middle, like hardcore film student guy when I reveal the films. And I'm really usually not. I didn't see the classics until later. I saw a bunch of junk.

8:36 All right. Anyway, so at the time in the New York, New Jersey area, Channel 9 or Channel 11, I don't know which one, was doing a Hitchcock fest. And it was a Sunday afternoon or whatever. And my mother, who had been trying to get my older sister to watch black and white movies, like, here, sit down and watch this one. Because I saw this one when I was a teenager. And it's really good and really engaging, you sit and watch it and get, and get into it.

9:06 So my mother and my older sister were in the living room watching an old black and white movie. And I was walking around doing my own thing. I was being, I was very young. I don't know, five, six. I was being my, my idiot, young self playing with my Spocks and Yodas doing somersaults, doing whatever young Jordan did at the time. So I wasn't paying attention to the movie.

9:28 which had commercial breaks in black and white on television in the middle of the day that involved a woman who worked at a bank, having an affair, stealing money, driving through the desert, stopping at a motel, getting stabbed. I didn't see that scene. I saw after when there was a lot of yelling. And I remember my mother to this day when they cut to commercial saying to my older sister, well, Who do you think did it?

9:55 Who else was at the hotel? It could have been some random stranger. that just stopped. It could have been, well, we know there was the mom, right? We heard about the mother. Or it might have been that nice man that checked her in, that nice man Norman Bates. Who do you think it was? And my older sister, who's like 11 or whatever, going like, gee, I don't know.

10:13 I think I even remember her saying, it's got to just be some random person because everything's so random. It's probably just some crazy guy. And I'm going, oh, they're watching some movie about a woman getting stabbed, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Going about my business. I didn't see any of the Martin Balsam scenes. I was doing my own thing. But then here comes at 2 p.m. on a Sunday in 1982 or whatever, the big finish. The movie, obviously, I'm talking about is Psycho. And today, Psycho is the most benign. And, you know, there are scarier things that you'll see if you go in your car and drive around any suburban neighborhood on the lawns of, like, blow-up spooky dolls and skeletons and ghouls and goblins. But it's the big reveal

11:03 when they go down into the basement to see Norman Bates' mother and kind of illogically... Spoiler alert. Yeah, spoiler alert for a 70-year-old movie.

11:14 The most famous horror movie of all time.

11:17 They put the hand on the chair, and if you watch the scene when the reveal, when Norman Bates' mother spins around, and it's a skeleton in a wig. Oh, no, he's got the wig. It's a skeleton. It's a skull. The chair spins around for reasons that make no sense. Well, there's a lot about the movie Psycho that makes no sense.

11:37 So anyway... For some bad timing reason, like I said, I was wandering around the house not really paying attention. Yeah. I show up for the big finish and a little light bulb goes off over my mother's head. Oh, my son is very young. And like kind of notoriously scared about horror movies in general. Like I remember being in a movie theater and just seeing the poster for Wolfenstein.

12:08 Have you seen Wolfen, the Albert Finney werewolf movie? Wolfen's good.

12:13 I'm trying to remember if I have seen it.

12:16 It's got a scary-looking wolf on it, and that just freaked me out.

12:19 Just the poster.

12:19 Just like seeing Wolf and Joel. Oh, my God.

12:22 I have that memory with Creepshow, the poster for Creepshow.

12:26 Oh, yeah. We talked about the Creepshow poster a couple weeks ago.

12:28 It came up because we were talking about Romero and Stephen King. So, yes, it did get briefly mentioned.

12:31 There was another. We went to the movies to see something, and it was the trailer. And this one's a pretty famous one to be scared by. It was the blood elevator from The Shining, which– All it is is a bunch of cranberry juice coming out of an elevator in slow motion with very weird music. But that one freaked me out as a kid, and I was crying and whatnot.

12:52 But that one, you know, hats off to Kubrick and his team. I think an adult would be freaked out by that. And there were some other ones. Like, going... I remember going to the movies as a kid in the 80s. It was like you rolled the dice in the trailers because they didn't think about programming scary shit.

13:08 I remember going to see Raiders of the Lost Ark, which also was pretty scary. I watched most of Raiders through my fingers, but that was supposed to. That was a movie where you're supposed to take your kids and freak them out. And I think like the trailer for that was like when a stranger calls or something and I was just like a mess and whatnot. The whole experience traumatized me. Anyway. Wandering back in the living room, holding my matchbox cars and my Hot Wheels to bring it back to last week. And I forget which character goes down into the basement. It's one of the cops.

13:38 I forget who it is that goes down into the basement.

13:40 No, it's Marion's sister.

13:41 Marion's sister, of course. Forgive me. It's Marion's sister. Marion's sister walks down into the basement just as I walk into the living room. And my mother goes, oh, my son. Maybe you shouldn't look at the TV right now. It's a little scary. much like my friend Carrie's mother saying, you know, you're about to get scared by Star Wars.

14:06 And I said, oh, a little scary. So instead of covering my eyes or turning around, I looked directly. It's like, don't look into the light. And you looked into the light.

14:16 You looked into the arc, yeah.

14:17 I was playing with my matchbox cards. Don't look at the TV. It's about to get scary. Try to vision the geometry of this. My head turns up just as Norman Bates' mother's head turns around. And it's a giant close-up of a skull.

14:32 When I'm picturing this in my mind's eye, I'm seeing Ralph Wiggum. Does that kind of capture the physicality.

14:39 Of the child? I think the physicality is more, if you're going to go Simpsons, it was the kid who was trying to argue why Captain Picard is better than Captain Kirk.

14:49 Excuse me. What's wrong with this phone?

14:53 It's making crazy noises.

14:54 Those crazy noises are computer signals.

14:57 Yeah.

14:58 Some guys at MIT are sending us reasons why Captain Picard is better than Captain Kirk. They're out of their minds.

15:05 So anyway, in slow motion, in De Palma-esque slow motion, my head turns, Norman Bates' mother turns. Bernard Hermann hits the strings. Reap, reap, reap, reap. And the skull sears into my brain. Freaking out. My older sister's like, eh, it's a skeleton. Yeah, you know, big deal. Spook-a-ween. How you doing? Throwing pillows around. This is Channel 9 in the middle of the day. My father is, you know, in the tool shed, putzing around, what's going on with my son? Why is he screaming? And just a mess.

15:48 Did not sleep for weeks. Could not get to sleep. Why can't you get to sleep? The skull from Psycho, which I know makes me sound like a hundred-year-old man. Because the movie came out in 1960, but I saw it at home under these conditions. Of all the horror movies, it's like the horror movie. But the skull, I would close my eyes and I would see that skull to the point that when I would see other skulls, not that I go around seeing skulls, but I don't know.

16:17 If my mother was watching Masterpiece Theater and there was Hamlet and he's holding Yorick up, and that's not a scary skull, that's just a skull skull. Just seeing that skull would freak me out. If I went to Spencer's Gifts and I saw a skull as a candle holder, even that I'd freak out and have to leave the mall because I was– I believe the word is traumatized by Channel 9's million-dollar movie and because my mother trying to protect me but not protecting me well. I must say it was a gaffe. It was a mistake. She should have just let me walk in and walk out and said nothing. but it was what happened and, and thus leads me. Is this part of the reason why I became interested in film more so than the average

16:59 bear to the point that I'm co-hosting a podcast called film spotting SVU. We'll never know the origin of that, but that is, it's funny. You know, what's the horror film that, that scarred me forever. It's truly the most famous horror movie of all time and the most famous image. And it's, it's, I'm, I'm right there, dead center of the Venn diagram. I'm a classicist at heart. Alfred Hitchcock's psycho effed up my ass as a young lad. Did not sleep. Did not have to go to counseling, but probably should have, honestly. It was a little more stigmatized back then in the early 80s, but they should have dragged my ass into a child psychologist and said, look, it's a movie. And also after that, I was, of course,

17:45 freaking out. So nobody in the house got to see the little tag at the end where Norman Bates explains incorrectly what schizophrenia is.

17:53 Yeah.

17:54 The last scene, by the way, is just like not what schizophrenia is. It just like explains it wrong. But, you know, I'll let the psychologists that are listening complain about that old movie. But anyway, that's my entry into this category.

18:08 A little film people might have heard of called Psycho. Which is streaming on, it's currently streaming on Netflix and Peacock. I know now just to have this information ready when you stop talking because you never look up where they're streaming.

18:20 No, this time I did.

18:22 You did?

18:22 I did it this time. I appreciate it. Yeah, it's on the big red one. You can watch and you should watch.

18:26 And it's also on Peacock. A lot of things make more sense now after hearing that story. One of which being why you were so insistent on wanting to do this topic. I can see you have a lot of Not buried. It's unburied trauma around this event.

18:44 Unburied trauma.

18:45 And your mom does not listen to this, so you can exercise the demons. You don't have to worry about criticizing her parenting skills.

18:54 But in her defense, she was trying to do the right thing. It was just the timing. She should have barred me from.

19:02 The room five minutes earlier.

19:03 Can you watch Psycho today?

19:04 Are you okay with Psycho now? Does it still upset you?

19:07 Yeah, it's great.

19:08 No, I love the music.

19:08 It's fine.

19:09 And you can look at a skeleton now and it doesn't– that doesn't frighten you?

19:12 I don't go– I don't seek them out. But I– if I– I don't have that.

19:18 Kind of– That's why you went into podcasting and not becoming like a mortuary attendant or something.

19:23 I'm not Quincy. But I have– this is one of the few– the few– The few things from my childhood that I have conquered is this. I mean, my win versus loss column is a little lopsided. But yes, I recognize Psycho as being great, especially because they kill off the main character. Spoiler alert.

19:44 The music.

19:45 Yeah, all these things about Psycho. The fact that she hears the conversation in the car and you don't know if it's her imagination or if it's the realism. Psycho is great. There's a reason why it's so good. Yes. But also it's got a big skull at the end in close-up with crazy lighting and that score. And it traumatized me as a young lad.

20:08 So I want to tell you, maybe as a warning, that I guess last week when I was on, I went to do my book event in Los Angeles. I went to the Academy Museum, which I had not been to before and currently has a, it's called the Horror Show. It's an exhibit of horror. Museum overall was fantastic. It's a great museum if you're a movie lover. Definitely if you're in Los Angeles, it is worth a trip.

20:35 I have been there and they have a little like, you know, things are, you know, people who donate get a, you know, the wing is named for this person. There's like a little bridge to nowhere. It's the Barbra Streisand Bridge. And it goes to just like a room to hang up your coat. So if you want to hang up your coat in style, darling, take the Barbra Streisand Bridge to nowhere.

20:53 It's a bridge for people who need people to find one another. So in the horror exhibit, there's different sections. There's one section that's about slasher movies, and there is a photo op. Obviously, it's not the real one because you couldn't do this with the real one, but they have Mrs. Bates in a chair, and she doesn't turn around, but you can pose behind her and take a picture in a mirror with her. So I'm just warning you.

21:22 I don't know.

21:22 Yeah, yeah.

21:23 And everyone, there's a line. Everyone wants to see she's a celebrity. But I'm just imagining you like, you know, like your mother being like, come on, Jordan, let's go take a picture with her. And you're like, I don't, I don't wanna, I don't wanna. And just like the beads of sweat coming down.

21:36 And then the music, reap, reap, reap.

21:39 It's also interesting that you go reap, reap, reap. I've never heard anyone vocalize.

21:43 How else would you make this sound?

21:45 Just more of a like a, weh, weh. Like with a, like with a W, you do it with an R.

21:51 Sam, how do you do the psycho sound?

21:54 I noticed your use of the R2 and I liked it. I think it's actually closer.

21:58 I wasn't criticizing it.

21:59 I think it's accurate.

22:00 It was more of an interesting, I've never heard someone vocalize it that way before.

22:04 Reap, reap, reap. Yeah, reap what you sow.

22:08 Like the Grim Reaper is coming or something.

22:11 Oh, very nice.

22:12 It would be pretty funny if the Grim Reaper, as he came and collected souls, made that noise.

22:18 Reap, reap, reap. He can't do it yet. He's got to wait maybe 10 more years for that musical cue to be in the public domain. And then in like 10 years or so, he'll be able to do it. All right.

22:29 Well, okay.

22:31 What is your traumatic? Now that I've shared, I will now get off the couch. Yes. Relax. Pull down the piece of the piece of wax paper. So it's sanitary. Thank you. And now you can lay down on the couch and tell the audience.

22:42 So first of all, psycho, I guess I saw late enough that it did not disturb me. I mean, Any more than, you know, it's supposed to. Spooky, scary, troubling, but not, like, traumatic in any way. Love Psycho from the first time I saw it, probably in my early teens. That said, the phenomenon you mention about, you know, like, growing up in a pre-internet age and movies playing, and we grew up relatively close to one another in suburban New Jersey. So it's Channel 9 and Channel 11 would show movies. And sometimes I guess maybe they could show scary things and edit them. And then there was also the loophole that if something was rated like PG, they could just show it and get away with it. And this is not my pick, but I have vivid memories

23:34 of seeing Jaws on WPIX 11. And, you know, again, spoiler alert, the death scene of one of the main characters... Um, really shocking me. And, uh, you know, like my parents, I think we're on a, yeah, so to speak. But I remember, I think my parents might've been on a date and I was either, it was either we had a babysitter or I was old enough to like watch my brother. And, uh, it was on picks 11 at like, you know, on a Friday night. And my parents weren't there to stop me from watching it. I was allowed to watch things on anything on that channel.

24:13 Right, because you trusted the system. You trusted over-the-air television was not going to ruin your kids. And now look at you now.

24:23 And I didn't have the– I wasn't like I couldn't look at a picture of a shark. But that was definitely like– I still vividly remember like– the room, the, you know, the moment, like it was, that was intense. That was a very powerful moment, but it's a, it's a.

24:38 Great moment because he's such a tough guy. And when the boat is, and he knows he's going in the mouth and there's nothing he can do and he gets eaten. It's no good.

24:48 But I mean, generally speaking, my parents, it sounds like, like yours, despite this trauma you experienced, they're pretty strict about horror movies. Like I could see Comedy movies, you know, even if they had foul language, you know, I watched, as we've discussed, I watched Mel Brooks movies. I watched Ghostbusters.

25:04 Comedy was generally okay. Horror, they were very protective. I didn't see an R-rated movie in the theater until I was like 10, 11, which was Terminator 2, which was deemed okay.

25:18 Sure.

25:19 I did not see a slasher movie of any stripe until like a sleepover party when I was 13 or 14. And at that point, it was so silly. It was one of the Friday 13th, I think it was part seven, and it was not that scary. I was like, this is what has been kept from me. This is pretty dumb. But I do have an experience kind of in the vein of yours. And it was something actually, and I hope you'll let me pick this even though, it is not a movie.

25:51 Oh, okay. Sam just made a face.

25:54 You might call it a short film when it aired in its full form.

26:01 But what it really was. I know what this is. I know what it is.

26:05 You want to take a guess?

26:06 There you go.

26:07 It was a music video. That's right. Again, because these kind of things could air any time of the day or night on MTV or VH1. And I watched it too young and it really freaked me out. the hell out of me and it is michael jackson's thriller it's wholly.

26:23 A movie it's not funny you were scared weren't you i wasn't that scared because it's bazooka i re-watched it not that long ago and i am not shocked that it scared me it's.

26:39 Terrifying for a little kid Michael Jackson gets John Landis, the director of one of the scariest werewolf movies, An American Werewolf in London, a movie I would not have been allowed to see at that age under any circumstance. He got Rick Baker, the guy who did the makeup and the special effects in that movie, to do the makeup.

26:57 The makeup is phenomenal. Rick Baker's makeup is just, I mean, some of the best makeup he ever did was in the music video for Thriller. And the short film, the music video, it When I look at it with the brain of an adult, I see that it's like it's 14 minutes long. It has– it's almost like a nesting doll, the structure of it. It doesn't make any sense and I think in some ways maybe that made it scarier as a kid, right? Because the beginning is– Michael Jackson and the girl are on a date. He transforms into a werewolf. But then it turns out that's a movie that Michael Jackson and the girlfriend are watching. Then they leave the theater. He starts singing. Zombies appear. Now he turns into a zombie. There's a zombie dance number. Now

27:46 there's a chase scene. Now he's fine. Then there's, you know, like one final scare. Vincent Price cackling, you know, like a lunatic at the very end over the freeze frame.

27:55 Yeah.

28:01 The problem was for me, like I don't have a specific, like you have a very specific first memory. I don't have a first memory. But what I know is like I loved Thriller, the album. I would listen to the album on vinyl. We had that record in my house and I liked the song Thriller. But there were parts of the video that were just too scary. But I didn't want to admit it was too scary for some reason.

28:28 I don't quite know why, but maybe it was because I was always trying to convince my parents, let me watch R-rated movies. Let me watch horror movies. So I didn't want to admit that when Michael Jackson turned into a werewolf, I was terrified. So the way that I would get around this is like if my brother and I were watching MTV or VH1 or whatever, and it would come on, I would make an excuse and I would leave the room during the parts I didn't like.

28:58 And no one was the wiser. I got to pee yet again.

29:00 Thankfully, nobody noticed. I always had to go to the bathroom right when Michael Jackson turned into a zombie.

29:06 That's so funny.

29:08 And looking back at it, honestly, it's still like those parts. I'm like, this is really bad. This is scary.

29:17 Did it affect you in the early 80s? I mean, that song was on the radio constantly. You'd go to the drugstore. You'd go to the beach. You'd get in a car. Would you be in the backseat of the car and Scott Shannon of Z100 would put on Thriller? Would you be like, would it make you nervous? Would it get in your brain? or could you know it was not the audio it was just i.

29:39 Love the song i still love the song sure it's of course great song it's the music video i could not and it was just the video and again if the video was on i wouldn't even say change the channel i would say oh i want to go grab my my matchbox cars i'll be right right right And I would get something and I would listen from the other room. I knew which parts because it was on so much.

30:02 You'd wait for your cue.

30:03 And then I would come back.

30:04 That's great.

30:05 And you didn't have to worry.

30:07 It was the double whammy. It was the makeup and the editing, but also the fact that it lacked a clear and definitive narrative arc that put you in unease because it was too Lynchian in its surrealism. That's right. That is what unmoored you. Exactly. And then add the zombie face and forget it. Matt Singer was out. He tapped out.

30:27 So there you go. That's mine. That's mine. And You can find– obviously you don't need a streaming service to watch if you've never seen Thriller. It is on– you can watch YouTube. There's like a VHS rip I think now of like– it's like the making of Thriller, which also shows you like if you're curious and want to go into the behind-the-scenes stuff, it has interviews and it has Landis and you can see on set and rehearsing the dancing and all of that stuff.

30:53 But yeah. Yeah.

30:55 That's my pick.

30:55 And to give a shout-out to a pretty lousy movie that made a bazillion dollars, the Michael Jackson biopic, which came out, I guess, in March or April of this year. The thriller scene is the best scene because you see him coming up with the dance and whatnot.

31:14 They do a very incredible job of recreating that scene, too. Again, not a great movie, but– No, no, no. But the music– Michael's not.

31:22 A great– and they get somebody to play Landis, right? They get some guy in a beard to be– Yes.

31:27 He has– I feel like he has like one or two lines maybe. Certainly not a big part. It's not like they credit him with the genius and the vision. Everything is obviously Michael Jackson created all of it and he's the creative genius.

31:41 The movie Michael did not want to spotlight such a problematic figure because As John Landis. They wanted to keep the spotlight only on the problematic figure of Michael Jackson.

31:51 I don't know what you're talking about. His career ended in 1989 and it went perfectly and there were no issues whatsoever. So there's our picks. Do you feel better after getting that off your chest?

32:03 Yeah, cathartic. Yeah, I let it all out.

32:06 I'm glad we could help you.

32:07 Sam, do you want to– Sam has confessed several times on the show that he to this day is a big scaredy cat and does not watch horror movies.

32:15 That's right.

32:15 Was there one– because I remember at summer camp there was a kid and we were older at this point. It was a little– I mean I don't want to make fun of this kid. I don't even remember his name. But he was too old to be scared of horror movies and he was so scared of Nightmare on Elm Street, Freddy Krueger. Movies he had never seen. Yeah. Just he knew about them from the osmosis, cultural osmosis, that all you had to do if you wanted to be cruel to this kid, and I never did. I liked him.

32:39 But some of the other kids would just sing the Freddy song, the one, two, Freddy's coming for you. And the kid would be like, it's not funny, guys. Come on. Cut it out. Cut it out. And it wasn't joking. He was like panicking. And I'll be like, I'll leave him alone. You know, don't do that. And like the first time I thought it was a gag. And he was like, I don't know, 14, 15 or whatever. All you had to do was sing the Freddie song. And he'd never seen a Freddie movie. Yeah.

33:00 That was basically me. That was basically me. I mean, I was actually thinking about this last week when you were talking about Matchbox, the movie, because the way you talked about it, your incredulity at some of the scenes and just describing him in the detail. I was taken back to riding the bus with my friend Aaron Taylor, who was a 45 minute bus ride back to my house in rural New Hampshire. And he would recount all these scary movies that he was allowed to see. So I feel like by proxy, I would experience them. I would have nightmares based on just his descriptions of some of these movies. But I do think just you guys touched on so many of the shared traumas of those of us that were raised in the 80s. It's just

33:37 like deep water or, God forbid, swimming in the dark, showers, and things under beds. You did not talk about Poltergeist, but I feel like that is another shared trauma.

33:49 Yeah, I was kept from poltergeist, thankfully, until it could not, it couldn't hurt me, basically.

33:54 Yeah, I didn't see, that's funny, now that you're mentioning, I did not see that in the theaters, but my older sister did, and she did describe it in detail, and that effed me up also, just knowing about the tree that attacked the kid and whatnot.

34:07 The tree, the clown, come on, give the clown, the clown.

34:11 They have the clown at the Academy Museum as well.

34:15 I was lucky enough to see that in 35mm not that long ago in New York City at the Anthology Film Archives. And this was not just, this was not like a special screening. It was just they had it. And I don't know if this will impress too many listeners, but I looked over and Ira Kaplan and Georgia Hubley of the band Yola Tingo were in the audience with me, just hanging out watching Poltergeist in 35. So that's pretty cool. Yeah.

34:40 So, I mean, I had it well-monitored. Childhood, I had literally one network television station broadcast into rural New Hampshire. It was WCSH out of Portland, Maine, the NBC affiliate. And still, I had the exact same experience as you with Psycho. So I think I traumatized myself by scaring my brother, who also witnessed it, and I would jump in.

35:01 Into the bathroom when he was taking a shower as often as I could.

35:05 Oh, my God.

35:06 Which meant that I also, you know, washed my hair with my eyes open until I left home.

35:13 Wow. All right.

35:15 I think I was running and leaping into my bed because of poltergeist, which I only saw via network TV, sneaking out and watching TV as my parents watched TV in the evening. I would run and jump onto my bed because obviously there was a clown with extremely long arms. Under my bed. But the thing is, I did meditate on this. I just want to be brief, but I did like just, I want to talk about a single insert shot very briefly from a non-horror movie.

35:39 An insert shot.

35:42 This is 1984, film directed by Richard Franklin, starring Dabney Coleman and Henry Thomas.

35:50 Oh, Cloak and Dagger.

35:51 Cloak and Dagger. Do you know where I'm going with this?

35:53 No, I don't. Okay.

35:55 So I did, I sort of just sifted through all of the traumas, the psychos and the jaws and the poltergeist. And I was like, you know what? No. There is a scene, and I had to Google it because it's just deep in the recess of my memory, of an elderly woman with missing fingers. Is this doing nothing for you guys?

36:11 Okay. I did see the movie, but I don't remember.

36:13 So I have never seen Cloak and Dagger, so I can't.

36:16 It's pretty good. It's a pretty good movie.

36:17 It is pretty good. I Googled this, and it comes up as a scene titled The Three-Fingered Lady. Okay. And I pressed play on the scene on YouTube, and I got scared. My stomach turned into knots. And in fact, I actually just stopped before it started playing so I could just take a note. This sensation was occurring to me.

36:38 But I found myself being relieved that I had paused the video so I didn't have to watch it. I honestly felt like I was about to watch the diner scene from Mulholland Drive when we're going back to the dumpster. I really was like, this is unnerving to me. And there's an interesting psycho connection here. There is a kindly old woman in a white dress and a straw hat.

37:01 She's got Henry Thomas in the front seat of a car. And it's Jeanette Nolan, who is the voice of Norma Bates in Psycho. She's the woman. She's pulled Henry Thomas close to her. Her husband gets it, another elderly guy, John McIntyre. The sheriff, Al Chambers from Psycho.

37:19 Whoa!

37:20 They start driving, just a kindly old couple. They've helped Henry Thomas grab a suitcase that has a video game cartridge in it, a video game called Cloak and Dagger. And this cartridge has an extra microchip in it that was going to be given to like a foreign spy. She asks him, Henry Thomas, what's this foreign spy look like?

37:37 And Henry Thomas says, we don't know, only that he's missing two fingers. And this is when Jeanette Nolan asked to see the cartridge all while slowly removing her white gloves. And then a close-up of an actual hand missing two fingers, the ring finger and the pinky. It lingers on it. I was watching it as, you know, a 52-year-old man, and there's no makeup. It doesn't look like there's any makeup involved. It, like, lingers long enough where it is this hand that has scar tissue, three fingers, and I was re-traumatized all over again.

38:17 May I see the tape, Davey? Sure. Something wrong, Davey?

38:31 You know, how is this fed into my adult movie imagination? Did I avoid? I clearly didn't avoid films that might include deformities.

38:39 You avoided a woodshop class, though, because you didn't want to end up like this woman. You know what? You're right, I did.

38:44 So anyway, I was glad to just isolate that moment from my childhood.

38:50 Yeah.

38:51 It's still kind of scary. Yes, Cloak and Dagger is pretty good because Dabney Coleman's the best. Yeah, it's a comedy. And Harry Thomas is very good.

38:58 Yeah, I remember liking that movie a lot.

39:00 It's kind of like a thriller comedy. But as a kid, you watch things differently.

39:03 Of course. It was a scary thriller.

39:05 And it's available VOD.

39:06 Please stop. I don't want to shoot you.

39:09 But I want to shoot you.

39:10 Cloak and Dagger.

39:19 All right.

39:20 Well, I think we've now all purged ourselves. We're going to walk out of this conversation as healthier individuals. I would invite the listeners to write to feedback at film spotting. and let us know what some of your picks were for this topic. Are they as classic as Mind Psycho or Thriller, which is also, you know, it's not a movie, but it's pretty iconic as a cultural event. Or is it a weird cul-de-sac strange movie like Cloak and Dagger from Sam, a movie that Matt hasn't even seen? But it's actually pretty damn good. So let us know. Feedback at filmspottingsvu.com.

39:59 Okay. The Film Spotting Scary Video Unit is going to have one more week of listener recommendations that are all surrounding the world of horror. We're not going to do a traditional recommendation segment because we kind of did that already instead of a main review when we were talking about these things that traumatized us. But this still is.

40:24 Rexick.

40:25 The Rexick. Can't yell it. I don't want to get in trouble.

40:32 Matt is in a hotel and it's before 9 a.m.

40:34 There.

40:34 If we wait a little longer, you can shout all you want. But it's still kind of early. Yes. In the hotel.

40:39 That's right. So here comes the recommendation segment we're just doing. We have two different listener requests for streaming recommendations we're going to fulfill. The first one comes from Carrie on the FilmSpotting Discord. You can join the FilmSpotting Discord if you're a member of the FilmSpotting family and we'll tell you how to sign up if you're interested at the end of the show. But here's what Carrie said. I would be interested to hear about recommendations for campy horror movies, especially modern and or under-the-radar ones. I love stuff like Sleepaway Camp and Death Becomes Her. I can think of lots of examples from the 80s, but I'm struggling to think of more recent stuff. All right, so I thought

41:23 about this, and I decided– I couldn't really find a really good recent one either that I thought was really worth recommending. But I found what I think at least is more of an under-the-radar one, and it is the movie House, the 1977 Japanese film from director– Oh, that house. That house, yes. There's multiple houses. And this is not the last house on the left either. I guess it's just House. It is the– House-u. Thank you, Hauzu. Yes, the Japanese film from Nobuhiko Obayashi, which the Criterion Collection's official copy on the Blu-ray box compares it to an episode of Scooby-Doo as directed by Mario Bava. And this is how they're selling the film. And that tells you, it can get a little campy. And that is an

42:23 apt description. The essay that's included... in house, the, the criterion edition of house also calls it a modern masterpiece of the cinema do WTF. So that also works quite well. Um, as the story goes, uh, the famous Japanese film studio, Toho, the same company that makes Godzilla movies, which can be quite campy as well, come to think of it. They approached Obayashi, asked him to make, and I, uh, weird synchronicities all around on this episode of film spotting SVU.

42:58 They asked him to make the Japanese answer to jaws, which is very wild to think about when that germ of a starting point led to this movie. Supposedly the idea that he developed was based on conversations that he had with his young daughter at the time. And she shared with him, these things that scared her, nightmarish images, story ideas that she had, and what developed was a film about a teenager named Gorgeous and her six friends who go to visit Gorgeous's aunt on a holiday, and when they get there, this strange, surreal place in the woods, very bizarre things begin happening. I mean, bizarre is underselling it by a hundred.

43:46 I mean.

43:48 We're talking about young girls being eaten by pianos. That's the level of bizarre.

43:52 Yes, that is the scene that I remember most.

43:54 That's the kind of bizarre, but also kind of funny. Oh, yeah. Campy is, you know, that's kind of an amorphous gray area. But I think that parts of this movie qualify because it's so strange and bizarre. And the tone will make you feel like you're losing your mind. Um, Obayashi was an experimental director before he moved into more tradition. It's very funny to call this a traditional narrative film, but you know, that background is very apparent in house, you know, like, I guess, like thriller. Um, it has another, it's a movie that has the logic of a dream or multiple dreams or dreams within dreams. And it is stuffed with this demented, uh, imagery that you will never forget. Not all of it looks realistic or plausible, but it is

44:47 totally unforgettable. And maybe at this point it has become enough of a cult film that you would say it's, you know, not so lesser known, but I think to the public at large, and even a lot of people who like movies have not seen it. Maybe they've heard of it. Maybe they've seen the amazing poster for the film.

45:05 I think it qualifies.

45:07 It may not be- It's a big orange cat. A big orange cat.

45:09 That's right. I don't know if it qualifies, but I'm grandfathering it because I love it. And it is very bizarre and funny and strange. And, you know, if you like, I have no idea if Sam Raimi has ever seen any of these movies, but, you know, if you like Sam Raimi's kind of Three Stooges meets a slasher film vibe, I think you will enjoy this movie as well. So it's also streaming on a lot of places, which helps.

45:37 It is currently on HBO Max, Criterion Channel, Plex, Shout TV, and Tubi. So that's my pick.

45:44 Yeah.

45:45 House.

45:46 I'm lucky enough to have only seen this once in the theaters. It was one of those movies that, you're right, now it's sort of a cult thing, kind of like Obsession, the Polish film Obsession. But there was a time, I want to say the late 90s, early 2000s, where a lot of people were like, have you seen the movie house?

46:05 And there is like another house. There's like a haunted, I think even like Fred Astaire in the other house, some, some old timer is in the other house. And it was like, Oh, and it was like a thing that people were talking about. And then, um, the then very new IFC center in, in New York city programmed it.

46:23 And it was an extended run. And I went, and so I was part of that first wave. If I may be so bold, I was part of that first wave of rediscovery of, of house who, uh, And then Criterion picked it up and like they gave out the stickers. You would go to like places and they would have the house with the orange cat stickers. And you'd see that on Friend of the Pod, Drew McQueenie. I think he had that on his laptop when I would see him once working. And it's, hey, he's got the house with a cat on his laptop. That's cool. So yeah, Howzoo's great. Okay.

46:53 What is your pick for a campy horror film?

46:57 Well, let's talk about horror movies of the 80s. Let's talk about a very famous one. Where a group of people are stuck inside a giant shopping center and then death surrounds them at every corner. What film am I talking about? Am I talking about a very famous film by George Romero called Dawn of the Dead? No.

47:17 No. Because that was the 70s.

47:19 Was that this? I guess that was the late 70s. You're right. No, this was a few years later and basically a little bit of a ripoff of that, but a movie I like a lot from 1980. I wrote it down. 1980 when?

47:32 86 perhaps.

47:35 1986. You know what I'm talking about. Yes, I do. Produced not by Roger Corman, but by Roger Corman's wife. A movie called... Not shopping mall, chopping mall. Shopping mall is a fine motion picture. Let me tell you, a bunch of kids are getting a little risque and randy and they want to have a party. So one of them works at the sofa store at the shopping mall, a great place to smooch your girlfriend. And they go in after hours. The shopping mall is locked up. But what they don't know is that the shopping mall has installed a new security system of these little robots that would zoom around and they just kind of look like R2-D2s or like little fat Johnny Five from Short Circuit.

48:21 But they're just driving around and they're going to secure the shopping mall. But what happens? Well, the shopping mall is struck by lightning and, you know, lightning can change everything. And because they get zapped, they become evil. And they also have the ability to kill because why not? If you're going to make a security system, you got to make sure they have the ability to kill people. So one by one, all the horny teens are killed in not the shopping mall, the chopping mall.

48:48 They broke into the mall for the wildest all night party of their lives.

48:55 Dead meat.

48:57 But you're never alone in the chopping.

49:01 Mall this movie is a wonderful example of good old-fashioned stupid american filmmaking and it's got a bunch of teens running around getting killed by robots it's also got a great cameo from dick miller who is one of those it's like the ultimate that guy somebody listening says who's dick miller whip out your phone type in dick miller oh that guy i know that guy also mary warn of and paul bartell are in there a little bit it's chopping mall man i don't have to sell it's like you know we Not exactly prestige-type filmmaking, but still good.

49:40 Nobody saw Chopping Mall in the theater. It was all on VHS is when the whole world discovered Chopping Mall. And it was just like one of those movies that everybody can agree on because it's funny, because it's got great kills, as they say. And it's also short. It's like 80 minutes short.

49:57 It's a great movie that everybody can enjoy. 7D7, according to Letterboxd.

50:00 There you go. It's just as long enough. And this was a time, you know, they'd pump this stuff up. Now it's a shame because nowadays with SVU, with streaming, like that's what we should be getting is one shopping mall after another and not, you know, Matchbox, the movie, which has so much money. I mean, God knows what the budget of Matchbox, the movie was. They shot on the chain bridge in Budapest. They had to shut down The chain bridge in Budapest, that's the Brooklyn Bridge of Hungary.

50:29 It's a pretty big-ass tourist spot. And they had to get John Cena's stunt double to run around on that thing. They had to shut down the city. That costs a lot of money, even in Hungarian money. So my point is this. Forget that. Make a shopping mall. Make everybody happy. That's what the people want, or at least that's what I want. So my recommendation to you, the listeners, is to go to any– and the amount of streaming services this one is on.

50:59 They're practically giving this movie away. If you can't find a place to watch this movie, you don't have a computer.

51:05 It's on Pluto with ads. It's on Tubi with ads. It's on Fossum, the alleged actual streaming service called Fossum. Now, and if you have a library card, your tax dollars at work, you can watch it on Canopy or Hoopla, which is, I think, the righteous way to do it.

51:24 No ads.

51:25 Watch it that way. Matt Singer, you love Chopping Mall, right?

51:28 Sure.

51:31 I love the idea of using your library card to watch Chopping Mall.

51:39 Sam, have you seen Chopping Mall?

51:42 Too scary.

51:43 I haven't seen it.

51:45 It's got too many people with missing fingers, so no.

51:47 They do. They get their hands blown. I mean, the murder scenes in it are legit. Like, the makeup and the music, it's got that 80s synth. And they're like, you know, they're the girls in the clothing store with their members-only jackets and their big hair. It's very of its time. It's a great, great time capsule. Hats off to Chopping Mall. Chopping Mall. We're shopping.

52:11 Costs you an arm and a leg shopping mall where shopping costs you an arm and a leg tremendous tremendous stuff okay let's get to our second listener request this one comes from tom j in madison wisconsin he writes hello matt jordan and sam some of my favorite spooky films are those which introduce an inexplicable event or odd mystery, which may or may not be supernatural in nature, and then let the characters stew in creeping dread. These tend to be quieter movies, which are not so much about solving the mystery. Indeed, many of them leave a lot of questions unanswered. They're more concerned with how characters respond to a novel existential crisis. Movie examples could include Don't Look Now, Picnic at Hanging Rock, Safe, Take Shelter, or

53:09 Donnie Darko. These are just a few examples, but there are a surprising number of films and shows like this. You could make the case that it's an unidentified subgenre. Can you recommend a movie, preferably something a bit under the radar? I have Amazon Prime, Disney, Hulu, Criterion Channel. I am willing to shell out a few bucks for a rental as well. Thank you for all you do.

53:33 I've enjoyed the return of the show. So that's from Tom in Madison, Wisconsin. So Jordan, you want me to go here? You want to go first?

53:44 Oh, we could flip a coin. Why don't you go first?

53:47 We don't have to flip a coin. I'll, I'll go first.

53:50 Okay. Okay.

53:51 So Tom wants something about a, some inexplicable or odd mystery can be supernatural in nature, creeping dread, questions unanswered. Um, The movie that I wound up landing on here, maybe it is not like right on the bullseye. But I like this movie and I think it fits and it gives me a chance to recommend a movie by one of the most famous horror directors of all time that is not one of his most famous movies. And I think the film that fits the bill here is 1987's Prince of Darkness, directed by John Carpenter. The first half hour of this movie is exactly what Tom says he wants.

54:42 Nobody has any idea what's going on. The audience is kept largely in the dark. But the creeping dread starts from literally the very first second of the film, thanks to John Carpenter's score. One of his most ominous synth scores. And obviously, John Carpenter... Made a lot of ominous synth scores. But just the way this movie sounds as the opening credits are going along, you know right away bad stuff is going to go down. I don't know what's going to happen here. And then as the movie begins, I don't know why there's all these shots of like a strange eclipse in the sky. I don't know what's going on with all these bugs. You know, a priest dies clutching a box which contains a key. The key unlocks

55:33 this secret crypt under an L.A.

55:36 Church.

55:37 And again, you know, as this is unfolding, you're like, well, this is not good. Bad things are going to happen. I don't know what, but it's all bad. And the dread just keeps mounting and mounting. And this other priest, played by Donald Pleasance, assembles a team of scientists to kind of investigate this. this strange green canister that they find inside the crypt. Anyone in close proximity has the same dream.

56:07 What is it?

56:09 A secret that can no longer be kept.

56:12 It started a month ago. What started? A change in the earth and the sky.

56:21 The film that follows... I guess it does largely explain. This is not a movie where you don't have any idea why things are happening. But it is this interesting and bizarre blend of science and spirituality. It's not just a priest confronting a demon or something. And it's not just a bunch of skeptics debunking ancient beliefs. You have this team of scientists, some of whom are very old and bumbling, and some of whom are very young and and also horny. It's a very, you know, John Carpenter blend of, of types.

56:59 In a way.

56:59 It's almost, it's like, it certainly isn't my favorite John Carpenter movie, but in some ways it is a very good, like, it's like the ultimate John Carpenter movie in some ways. It's like the John Carpenter greatest hits. The movie evolves into kind of a horror version of assault on precinct 13. You have, uh, characters kind of barricaded in the church, people on the outside, uh, forces of darkness kind of all around them they can't escape it's got a little bit of the thing where this this whatever is inside this green canister can infect people kind of invisibly um by grossly spewing in their mouths in this which is absolutely disgusting and also probably kind of a metaphor for the aids crisis which was very much uh happening at

57:46 the time It's got a little bit of Big Trouble in Little China. It has several of that movie's stars, including Dennis Dunn and Victor Wong. And it's also got some Halloween in there, this idea that evil exists. It is real in the world, but it is also unknowable. It is unstoppable. It is kind of inhuman. It cannot be bargained with or, you know. uh understood but it is it.

58:11 Is coming the big finish of the of the fog is in a church also right isn't doesn't the fog.

58:16 It's been a long time since i've seen the fog.

58:18 The fog does certainly want to talk about creeping creeping dread i mean yeah nothing creeps more like the fog that's.

58:24 Right it comes on little cat feet um the tagline of halloween which is the night he came home would also apply very uh Well, to Prince of Darkness. So that is my recommendation. I think it's got creeping dread for days. It is scary.

58:41 It is gross.

58:42 It is weird. It has very 80s mustaches. And it has become kind of like a house. It has become more of a cult film over the years. It did not do well upon its original release. It did not get good reviews. But now I think people recognize, you know, look, when a guy made Halloween and, you know, the thing, it may not be his best movie, but it's, uh, it's worth, it's worth watching.

59:07 So it's really, it's really fun. I like, I like, It's a good pick.

59:11 It's available on Prime Video right now. I revisited it this week. That's where I rewatched it. And it's a spooky one. It's a good one.

59:19 I think it's one that, I mean, I saw it many, many years ago. And then I saw it relatively recently, let's say 10 years ago. And it definitely holds up. Whereas, um, some carp, like I'm going to, I'm going to throw, I'm going to shock the audience. Escape from New York is not as good as I remembered it when I was a young lad. Escape from New York kind of has some, it's dumb, it's dumb, but it also has like some dull patches. I find, I guess rewatch, maybe if I watch it again, my, my pendulum will swing.

59:51 But my most recent viewing of Escape from New York, I was like, eh, this is the movie I love. It's not that great. So, I don't know. I'm throwing that out there as a controversial statement. You can email us at feedback at filmspottingsvu.com and tell me to go to hell.

1:00:06 You going to kill me now, Snake?

1:00:09 I'm too tired.

1:00:12 Maybe later.

1:00:15 My pick for Creeping Dread is not, it's certainly a horror movie. It has the biggest body count of maybe any movie ever made. But I don't think people would consider it a horror movie. It came out in the year 1964, and it was a bit of a box office dud for a couple of reasons. And the reason that most people think it was a bit of a box office dud, even though it has a huge cast and a great director, was that several months earlier, another movie came out with basically the same premise but is an absolute masterpiece and also is a satire. The movie that came out first is Dr. Strangelove or How to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. Several months later, a movie called Failsafe came out, which is basically Dr. Strangelove,

1:01:04 but all serious. Man, is it serious. Now, I have mentioned, Sam's mentioned, you know, 80s kids grew up during the coldest of the Cold War and the threat of Nuclear Holocaust was like a thing like we all we all were waiting for it any day, you know, the day after TV series, whatnot, which I didn't see when it first aired because I was like, no, I'm not watching that.

1:01:29 It was like a thing. And, you know, you talk about in school, like, you know, if they drop the H bomb, our faces will melt and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, oh man, it's not just the bomb. It's like after everybody would slowly die and become a mutant and there'd be no food and you'd have to eat babies. And then eventually the whole, and it was like a thing that would keep us up nights. That's why we're all screwed up. Now people don't worry so much about nuclear fears. They have the global warming fears.

1:01:59 They have the COVID fears. They got all kinds of fears. We probably should still have the nuclear. I mean, all those bombs and missiles are still there.

1:02:06 Sure.

1:02:06 Don't forget the skeleton fears. They have the skeleton sitting in chair fears. Those are the worst of all.

1:02:12 A lot of fears. A lot of reasons to be afraid of nuclear destruction. In fact, I read the recent bestseller, like 2022 or whatever. It was just called Nuclear War by this journalist named– I forget her name. But I think Sarah Jacobson or something like that is her name. Pretty great book. It scared the hell out of me.

1:02:31 So anyhow– grew up in central New Jersey, right? Not that far from Fort Dix and McGuire Air Force Base and Lakehurst Naval Base, the joint base, the only joint of the three branches of Navy, Air Force, and Army. And I remember we were talking in school about the horrors of post-nuclear destruction society and how gross it'll be.

1:03:00 And the teacher was like, I don't worry about it. We're so close to, to McGuire Dick's Lakehurst that we killed in the blast. We wouldn't even know what hit us. Okay. Open your books to chapter three. And I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, and I couldn't concentrate for the rest of the day. I'm like, Oh, I like this.

1:03:17 What a thing to say to a young person. Anyway, God bless the schools. All right. So anyway, what the hell is fail safe all about? And the reason why it's creeping dread is this one simple error. leads to a domino effect that destroys the planet. And you're watching it basically in real time. And the character that you see the world through is played by Larry Hagman. And he is a translator. And it's like, it's like clerks.

1:03:42 He's not even supposed to work that day. I think he's like, he's called in because the other guy has the flu or something. I don't really remember, but he's called in and he's in the room with the president, which is Henry Fonda, the most, you know, reverential figure in, And you're seeing it through his eyes. And at first, the president's like, all right, we're going to take care of it. There's a mix-up. One of our bombers is about to do X. We got to call the Joint Chiefs of Staff. We got to call our comrades in the Soviet Union, take care of the problem. And it doesn't get solved. And it doesn't get solved. And it's like, is this really something I should worry about? Is this really something I should worry about? No, no, no, no, no.

1:04:18 And then it really becomes something to worry about. And the way that that plays out is marvelous. That is just a thing that That happens in movies sometimes. The most famous example of this in an individual scene, and it's been copied twice in recent cinema, is the movie, which actually has, I think Henry Fonda's in this one too, is sometimes a great notion. The logging film based on the Ken Kesey novel where somebody gets like their foot stuck in the log and they're like, oh, we'll get you out, we'll get you out. And they're joking and then the water rises and suddenly they're not going to get him out and he drowns. And it's a terrifying scene.

1:04:53 And that was replayed a little bit in the recent Bigfoot movie with Jesse Eisenberg called Sunshine Sunsquatch. They have the same exact sequence. And then The Wait also, a movie we've talked about before that we both love with Ethan Hawke and Russell Crowe, has that beat played out also. And it's just like that. That's like the fail-safe thing in microcosm. It's like, oh, this is not a big deal.

1:05:19 We'll take care of it. Don't worry, don't worry. Okay, worry a little bit. All right, maybe worry a little bit. It's like, oh shit, New York's just been nuked. You know, that's fail safe. And it scares the shit out of you. And it's a really great movie. It's Sidney Lumet. He knows what he's doing. He knows how to make a movie.

1:05:35 So that's my Creeping Dread recommendation. Watch that and be terrified.

1:05:40 This minute, the Russians are watching their boards trying to figure out who they're up to.

1:05:43 If we can't convince them it's an accident which we're trying to correct by any means.

1:05:48 We're going to have something in our hands that nobody bargained for.

1:05:51 And only a lunatic wants.

1:05:53 Okay, so to recap all of our Rex Egg picks this week on the show, and actually to remind you of even the stuff we talked about before this, the horror movies that deformed us, so to speak. Jordan recommended or maybe warned people away from Psycho. That's streaming on Netflix and Peacock, or of course you can get it on VOD. I recommended Michael Jackson's Thriller, the music video.

1:06:20 You can watch it on YouTube. And Sam recommended Cloak and Dagger, which is on VOD. And then in terms of our listener requests, we had one for Campy Horror. I picked 1977's House, which is on Criterion Channel, HBO Max, Tubeplex, and VOD. Jordan recommended Chopping Mall. Chopping, C-O-P-P-I-N-G, not shopping. Chopping.

1:06:45 That's on Prime Video, Shudder, Hoopla, Canopy, Tubi, Pluto TV, Roku. God, when you say these names of these streaming services in a row, you literally sound like you're having some sort of episode. It's like the most ridiculous names.

1:06:59 I think the phrase you're thinking of is bazooka.

1:07:03 That's right. Thank you. And then we had a request from Tom who wanted Creeping Dread movies. I recommended Prince of Darkness, which is on Prime Video or VOD. And Jordan recommended Fail Safe, which is on a thing that I guarantee he made up called Roku's Howdy to be YouTube with ads and VOD. And if you would like a running list of all the films we've reviewed and recommended on this podcast, look for the link on Letterboxd for Now Streaming on Bazooka. Go to Letterboxd, type in Now Streaming on Bazooka. That is our list of every movie we've talked about on the show. You can also just search for Bazooka on Letterboxd. As of this moment, it is the only thing that comes up. And you can find all of our picks from throughout the history

1:07:55 of the show there. And if you would like your own personalized streaming recommendation, send us a note, feedback at filmspottingsvu.com. And we will try to help you out. Give us a recommendation. Sorry, give us a movie, a type of movie you like. give us the streaming services you use, and we'll try to help you out.

1:08:15 I think the goal is to try and recommend as many films on Roku's Howdy as possible. I think that's it. Maybe we can get a sponsorship.

1:08:25 Maybe we can get a sponsorship and we'll wear cowboy hats the whole time. No one will be able to tell because it's an audio podcast.

1:08:31 I mean, there's only one streaming service I like more than Roku's Howdy, and that of course is Bazooka, but it's close.

1:08:38 It's I'm just an average man, a man who's got a stream.

1:08:45 I stream from 9 to 5. Hey, hell, I'd live the dream.

1:08:49 All I want is to stream alone, on my laptop or my phone.

1:08:53 But why do I always stream reruns of The Twilight.

1:08:56 Zone and The Babble Sugar? But when you go... Hey, before we get to the game, Matt Singer, I want to give a shout out to listener Lee.

1:09:20 Lee of LeeDoesStuff.com. Lee Does Stuff is an artist and graphic designer and puzzle maker. And they sent me and makes zines. And now I know a little bit about Lee's life story. They got laid off from their job and so had all this time to make really cool zines, mostly about movies. And Lee sent me a few of them.

1:09:42 But the real reason is Lee listens to the show and there were two things that That I thought were very funny because one of the games that Lee had in there is a portmanteau movie game, much like Matt Singer's patented portmanteau to toe. That's right. But then the other one is, you remember a few weeks ago, one of the listeners for the Rec Seg said they wanted to see a movie that was set in a time period that also looks like it was from that time period. Yes, yes. Right?

1:10:14 So Lee knocked it out of the park with– has only selections from the year 2025. But these all would have fit for them, and we didn't pick them. Number one is The Mastermind, right? The Kelly Reichardt film, which was set in 1970s Massachusetts and really feels like it's from the 70s. Yes. Another one is a movie called Fairyland, which I have to be honest, I have never heard of this one. But it's from 70s, 80s San Francisco.

1:10:40 I'll take Lee at their word. Another one, this is a really, really good pick, was Nouvelle Vague, the Richard Linklater making of Breathless shot in the style of Breathless. And I love that movie. Underrated movie.

1:10:55 I really liked it too. I feel like that movie, maybe because the other Linklater movie got more attention, which was good too, which was very good too. Yeah, but Blue Moon got a release through Searchlight, I think, or maybe Focus, and Nouveau Vague was a Netflix, and it just fell apart.

1:11:12 Linklater knocks him out of the park every time.

1:11:13 We could have reviewed, just imagine, we could have reviewed that movie on this. We could have actually watched and talked about a good movie. Can you imagine?

1:11:21 A good Netflix movie, yeah. Another great Netflix movie that Richard Linklater made is called Apollo 10 1⁄2. Have you seen that one? It's an animated film. It's so good. I love that one so much. Anyway, Lee has two more. Peter Hoojar's Day, 74, New York, the Iris Sax film, which also kind of is in that style. And then The Secret Agent, which was the Brazilian movie, which I think won Best Foreign Language Oscar last year, or at least was nominated. The Secret Agent, the Brazilian film, which is kind of in the style of 70s. So hats off to Lee. And go to LeeDoesStuff.com and join their Patreon if you want to. Because, you know, Lee listens to the show and Lee is really cool. So that's my statement on that. Okay. Now, let's go to the game. Now,

1:12:09 Matt Singer, you created a game sensation.

1:12:13 America's fastest growing quiz sensation.

1:12:15 Called... Portman toe to toe.

1:12:18 Yes.

1:12:19 Which as we know, much like a before and after on jeopardy takes two premises of a movie, two movie premises, smoosh them together. And you have to say what the movie is. And I'm not even going to give an example because we've done so many of them. So I too have a Portman toe to toe, my first ever Portman toe to toe. Now, Matt and Sam, you might be thinking, well, In the past, we've always done them pegged to what the big review is on the show.

1:12:49 And this week, we didn't have a specific review. That's right. We just talked about our childhoods and all that stuff. But I have a better idea. Oh, boy. What if we did Portman toe-to-toe for the films of Natalie Portman?

1:13:09 Portman toe to toe.

1:13:12 It's just Portman toe to toe, and one of the two movies is a Natalie Portman movie. Luckily, Natalie Portman, the award-winning actress at America's Sweetheart, has made plenty of movies, and we're going to talk about seven of them plus something else that's going to connect them. It may be the first film is the Natalie Portman film. It may be the second one. So we're just going to start, and the first one's pretty easy. So get your buzzers ready.

1:13:41 Sam has his dog, Jacques Demy, on his lap. Jacques Demy's here. That's right. So that may be a cute little pooch. It's a cute little pooch, but the problem is this may hamper you from buzzing in. No, no, no.

1:13:52 Keep it up, Jacques.

1:13:54 Keep it up, Jacques. Distract him.

1:13:55 All right, here we go. Here we go.

1:13:56 I might accidentally buzz in.

1:13:57 All right. Number one, Portman, literally Natalie Portman toe-to-toe. A top-secret government agent is tasked with tracking interplanetary beings who come to Earth, and this involves wearing cool suits and dark sunglasses and also attempting to perfect a difficult ballet performance. Yes?

1:14:25 Men in Black Swan. Yay!

1:14:29 That's right. Men in Black Swan. That one was kind of easy.

1:14:34 That wasn't her job in Thor. Did she have a job sort of searching for interplanetary?

1:14:41 She was like an astronomer.

1:14:43 She was. Astronomer, that's what they're called, yes.

1:14:46 Or an astrophysicist.

1:14:48 That's right.

1:14:50 She looked up at the sky very thoughtfully a few times.

1:14:53 Okay, there we go.

1:14:55 Number two. Speaking of. A hammer-wielding Norse god.

1:15:03 What could this movie be?

1:15:05 Well, what could it be?

1:15:06 That's right. That's true. There's multiple options.

1:15:09 A hammer-wielding Norse god and his scientist lady friend return, keyword is return, in this later entry in a comic book movie series called That also includes a British secret agent riding a jetpack. Yes.

1:15:34 Thor love and thunder ball.

1:15:36 Hey, there you go.

1:15:40 I'm worried. I'm starting to get worried.

1:15:42 Thor love and thunder ball.

1:15:44 Can you help out? You just sitting there looking cute?

1:15:47 I feel like the dog is not helping.

1:15:48 No.

1:15:49 A British secret agent riding a jet pack and searching the Bahamas for two stolen atomic bombs. And Matt Singer, I'd like to refer to a classic article that you wrote about all the James Bond themes. Yes. Because the thunderball of the song and the title, it's Tom Jones. Yes. Thunderball is a meaningless phrase. But you had a theory that it was actually all about a villain that got cut out of the movie name. Do you remember the villain's name? No. You wrote this in like 2012. Arthur P. Thunderball. Sure.

1:16:22 He was an accountant who tried to Google Arthur P. Thunderball and read some of Matt Singer's great works. Number three. Come on, Sam. You can do it.

1:16:34 You can do it.

1:16:36 Jock just left. He was disgusted. He left.

1:16:38 Right.

1:16:39 A story, a story set a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away begins involving missing spaceship parts and a pod racing spectacle. And also a gritty look at the cycle of violence in early 1990s.

1:16:57 Star Wars episode one, the Phantom Menace to society.

1:17:04 Very good.

1:17:07 Come on, Sam. I was doing well with these. I was competitive. Now I just.

1:17:12 See, having made enough of them, my brain.

1:17:14 I know.

1:17:14 You're thinking like, if that is true, you have an advantage. That's right.

1:17:17 I can just.

1:17:19 Every movie title is a potential.

1:17:21 Here we go. Okay. This is kind of where we turn. If Matt gets this, I don't know.

1:17:26 It's sort of game over. We might have to.

1:17:28 Some of the, some of the ones after this one start getting really, really difficult. Maybe there'll be points and a half. Okay. Okay. This is where it officially gets a little bit difficult. All right. This tense thriller written by Rod Serling and directed by John Frankenheimer is a searing look at Cold War politics.

1:17:47 Oh, I already know it without he's even said the second one. Sam, do you have any idea?

1:17:52 I really don't.

1:17:55 Huh.

1:17:55 Let me continue then because I don't want the game to be over.

1:17:58 I'm having too much fun.

1:17:59 A searing look at Cold War politics and conspiracies. And a lusty satire of method acting and sleazy film adaptations of sensationalist tabloid stories. Does anyone know, Matt Singer?

1:18:15 Yes, I do know.

1:18:16 I don't. What is the answer? I don't know.

1:18:18 I don't even have a guess. Seven Days in May, December.

1:18:21 Very good. Seven Days in May, December. All right. Oh, boy.

1:18:26 That would have been harder, but that one was harder. But I just watched Seven Days in May, which I had never seen before because I did an interview with Alan Sepinwall about his new Rod Serling biography, which is excellent. I would recommend it to people. And we did a piece where we watched and discussed, great Rod Serling projects that are not the Twilight Zone. Because I've seen every episode of the Twilight Zone. I love Twilight Zone. But I had seen almost nothing else he had done. So that was what I proposed. And that was one of the things that Alan recommended was Seven Days in May.

1:19:01 I had never seen it.

1:19:02 I watched it. It is very good. It's good. All right. Here we go. And you know what, Sam? This is just for glory now.

1:19:08 This one is worth five points, this one right here.

1:19:12 This one should be, actually. This is the one, actually, when I wrote this one is when I sent the text saying, I am a genius. Here we go. This Michael Apted-directed portrait of a primatologist set in the mountains of Africa also concerns a whimsical 243-year-old owner of a toy store in and his piano-playing.

1:19:37 Prodigy, Inheritor.

1:19:39 I got it.

1:19:39 Sam? Say it, Matt. I'm out. No.

1:19:43 Gorillas in the Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium.

1:19:49 Wow.

1:19:50 Wow.

1:19:52 This is a showcase for you, Matt. I mean, I just... It's the worst possible showcase.

1:20:00 It's a showcase of how poisoned my brain is.

1:20:05 Gorillas in the Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium.

1:20:11 Yeah, that was a good movie. Have you seen Mr.

1:20:15 Magorium's Wonder Emporium?

1:20:16 I have seen neither of those motion pictures. Oh, wow.

1:20:19 Well, Gorillas in the Mist is a real movie. Sigourney Weaver, sure. But Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium. There you go. Okay. Number six. Oh, boy. Yeah.

1:20:29 How many are there here, Jordan?

1:20:30 There's seven, right?

1:20:31 We got two more.

1:20:31 Boy, I wonder if I can run the table. Jordan, put in the work. We got to just.

1:20:35 Maybe I can sweep.

1:20:37 This is the thing. Will Matt have a no-hitter here? I think it's exciting. This Texas... Garden State and Maine. No. Sorry. Shoot. This Texas-set mystery examines a cross-section of society with a sweeping cast... including Chris Cooper, Chris Christopherson, Joe Morton, and Francis McDormand, and includes a visit to Dex's Diner and the Rain Planet of Camino.

1:21:10 I know this is a John Sayles movie. I cannot play why am I blanking on the name of this great film.

1:21:16 Would you like to buzz in? Would you like to buzz in? Wait, Sam, do you want to buzz in? Go ahead, Sam.

1:21:22 I don't know the second one. Would you like me to say it again? Yeah, so just do the second part.

1:21:30 A visit to Dex's diner and the rain planet of Kamino. God damn it.

1:21:39 Go ahead, Matt. I don't know the second part.

1:21:41 Lone Star Wars Episode 2 Attack of the Clones.

1:21:47 That is correct. Clone Star Wars Episode 2 Attack of the Clones. Dex's Diner and the Rain Planet of Kamina.

1:21:57 Because, of course, there's a diner in outer space.

1:22:01 Yeah, why not? It's a great place to be. All right, here we go. Matt, Sam, will you defeat?

1:22:05 Oh, no, this might be our first shutout. Okay. All right, here we go.

1:22:08 I think you can do it. Here we go. The seventh entry in Natalie Portman Toe to Toe. All right. The lives of four lonely people intersect in this London-based drama, including Natalie Portman, wearing a magenta-colored wig and not much else, who then travels outside of space and time to a place where women live in radiators and chicken dinners dance on plates.

1:22:41 Okay, I got it.

1:22:43 Go ahead, Sam. I got it.

1:22:44 I mean, I think I have the same guess. I was going to buzz, but come on, Sam, you can do it.

1:22:50 Closer racer head.

1:22:53 That's right.

1:22:54 Closer racer head.

1:22:58 I had it, and I was like, that's not, I mean, that doesn't quite. The letters line up.

1:23:03 Close to your racer head.

1:23:06 It's not called close-y racer head.

1:23:09 It's closer racer head. It's not that easy to come up with seven portmanteau to toes.

1:23:15 No, it's not.

1:23:17 Sam, you have redeemed yourself in the eyes of the listeners. You did not get shut out.

1:23:21 I will, unless you want to take, just because it would sort of be my turn to host the game. You're welcome to do it. You're the champion, Matt. You walked away with this.

1:23:31 It's up to you, Sam. If you have a game in mind, we can.

1:23:33 Figure it out.

1:23:34 Well, no, I can always come up with one. We don't even know what we're doing next week. I mean, that's going to make it especially difficult because, unfortunately, Netflix really put the kibosh on our beautiful, beautiful plans for next week.

1:23:44 The kind of plan... We had to get a movie a day early and they said, we will not give you the link. That's how bad this movie must be. So, all right. So we'll work it out on our own. But thank you all for listening.

1:23:56 You did an excellent job.

1:23:58 Portman toe-to-toe.

1:23:59 Portman toe-to-toe.

1:24:02 Gorillas in the Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium is all going on the back of the bazooka t-shirt, I think. Let's open the store. Welcome to Mr.

1:24:10 Magorium's Wonder Emporium. How much for that fish mobile out there? All right. Let's close out the show with some titles that you can now watch at home this week, starting with theatrical releases that are now available to rent or buy at home. These are available on Tuesday, October 27th. Ridley Scott's The Dog Stars with Jacob Elordi, Margaret Qualley and Josh Brolin. Did you see this one, Jordan?

1:24:36 No, it was a bomb. I heard it was a bomb. It was a bomb.

1:24:39 It was OK. I did see it. It was it was fine. It was very much the kind of movie that. You didn't need to rush out and see, but maybe if you watched it at home, you might.

1:24:52 Like it.

1:24:52 Although here, in this case, you'd still have to pay a fee to rent it.

1:24:56 I'm going to wait until it's on HBO Max. Right, right, right.

1:24:59 Also streaming on or available to rent or buy on October 27th. This one just came out and still playing in theaters, I believe, is Michael Showalter's Verity with Dakota Johnson. Anne Hathaway, and Josh Hartnett. This one I have not caught up with yet, but I've heard more positive things about this one.

1:25:19 Yeah, that's a good performance, performers, and Anne Hathaway's having her big year. She certainly is.

1:25:28 All right, new to streaming. These are theatrical releases that are now on streaming. Wednesday, October 28th, we have the latest film in the Minions series. franchise minions and monsters which is going to be on peacock i saw this one with my kids we all laughed and this one may be of i would say mild interest to cinephiles because the whole movie is about the minions working in early hollywood in like literally in like tiptoeing through American film history. There's a lot of references and deep cut jokes to silent films and to film history where... Look, it's still a Minions movie, and I'm not going to tell you that this is, you know, akin to watching Martin Scorsese's personal journey through American cinema or anything like that.

1:26:21 But I think, you know, it had a little more juice than the usual Minion movie, at least for a cinephile.

1:26:28 I thought it was cute. It has a Max Senate Joker, too.

1:26:32 I mean, that's what we're talking about.

1:26:34 You got it.

1:26:35 So that's on October 28th on Peacock. And then now. These are things that are going straight to streaming. This is the, the heart of the film spotting SVU beat Friday, October 30th. We've got SCTV, the greatest show you've never heard of a documentary about the famous, or I guess since it's the greatest show you've never heard of not famous sketch comedy show.

1:26:56 I have a bone to pick with that title. I feel like the, you've never heard of framing of anything is annoying because it's, it's talking down to your audience and, I've heard of SCTV, and I think a lot of other people have too.

1:27:10 It has been hard to watch for a long time, and I think that's maybe how they justify it, which is true.

1:27:16 It's a stupid title. It's a stupid title, and Netflix literally pumps out a comedy doc a week. They did Norm on the Norm MacDonald last week. That's right.

1:27:23 They just did the Norm. They have Maria Bamford. Now they have– They got a lot.

1:27:28 So I'm in the tank for an SCTV documentary. Oh, I will definitely watch it.

1:27:32 I will watch it.

1:27:33 But I agree.

1:27:33 The title is dubious, let's say.

1:27:35 I'm going to look past the title. Most writers that you know, they don't write the headlines of their own articles. It's the editors that do it. I certainly have filed pieces that I'm very proud of. I go online two days later. I see one of my editors gave it a headline that I think is dumb. You just got to live with it. So I'm not going to besmirch this film. I'm looking forward to seeing SCTV, the greatest show you've never heard of on Netflix.

1:27:59 Also on Apple TV, the new limited series Nocturne with Liev Schreiber as a detective tracking down a serial killer played by Stephen Graham in rural Pennsylvania. It also has Zazie Beetz, Bill Camp, who Sam helpfully put in the notes, was of course Smalley in the motion picture masterpiece. Matchbox the movie. He was the one who died, who they gave a eulogy to, where they celebrated his life by talking about the joy of playing with Matchbox cars.

1:28:34 That's right. There you go. He formed the Matchbox gang. Yes, yes.

1:28:38 He was the. The Nick Fury of the Matchbox gang, if you will. Okay, so that one is on Apple TV. And next week, we don't know what we're going to do yet. We're going to review something. We'll have streaming recommendations. We will get to your streaming requests.

1:28:55 Yes. I'll tell you, it's funny. I'll let the listeners know. So, you know, there is a movie coming out like the day after our new episode goes live. It's some dog movie. I think Dennis Quaid is in it from Netflix. And usually, in fact, every time I've ever requested from Netflix, hey, can we get an early link? Even when it's something like Unabomber, they're like, oh, of course, yes, here's the link.

1:29:18 This is the first time ever that we've been rejected. And the publicist wrote back, no links, no But you can watch it on Netflix on the 12th or whatever the day is. So either they're getting wise to us and they won't give us stuff because they know that we only ask for junk or they just are– this movie must be so bad. So now what is it even called, the dog movie? It's called like the dog's.

1:29:41 Happy Christmas or something? A dog's perfect Christmas.

1:29:44 Yeah. A dog's perfect Christmas. I mean we clearly must watch– it's Dennis Quaid and a dog going on a holiday. It's a dog all right.

1:29:55 The dog is voiced by Thomas Hayden Church.

1:29:57 No. Oh, it's a talking dog.

1:29:59 You made that up.

1:30:00 I think he narrates it. He narrates it. Oh, my God. It's a wise basset hound named Winstead.

1:30:06 Oh, my God.

1:30:07 Voiced by Thomas Hayden Church. But Mary Steenburgen is in this. Jennifer Tilly.

1:30:12 Oh. Yes.

1:30:13 Maybe we can't do it next week. But look, it's a Christmas movie. I think in December we should definitely do some sort of holiday content. I think this might be on the docket. As we get closer to the end of the year.

1:30:27 On Christmas morning, we should record. You should ignore your family. Yes. This is a great idea. And while the kids are crying around the tree saying, where's daddy? I want to talk about our toys. You're stuck in the bathroom talking to me.

1:30:38 Yeah.

1:30:39 About a dog's perfect Christmas.

1:30:40 Maybe we should, instead of doing a usual episode, maybe we should just like live podcast the whole thing. Like a commentary.

1:30:48 Giving our insights.

1:30:50 Well, this is what concerns me. We are entering prestige time. Streaming season. Real movies are coming to stream in November and December.

1:30:57 There should be good movies coming for the streaming video unit because we've got things like the new David Fincher movie and La Mola Negra. Netflix has some great movies or at least interesting movies coming up.

1:31:09 So, yes, it's true.

1:31:11 We may actually see some good movies on streaming soon. And wouldn't that be nice?

1:31:14 I think in two weeks we're going to do the Korean director whose name I can't remember right now.

1:31:20 Lee Da-young, Chang Dong, yep.

1:31:21 Yeah, the guy who did Burning, which was a great film from like five, six, seven years ago. The Burning director has a new one called Possible Love, I think is what it's called. Yes, I've heard it's great. So we might be doing Possible Love.

1:31:33 And we've got to get Allison on the show, right? We've got the Madden we're going to do.

1:31:37 Oh, and that's going to be a five-star masterpiece without question. That's right.

1:31:41 All right, so the point is this. We all have a lot of streaming to do. Bazooka, when you want to stream, it's Kareem. Thank you to all the listeners. Send feedback. Send feedback to feedback at filmspottingsvu.com. Go to your local bookstore and buy Matt's book called Funny Business. Matt's on tour right now. He's in a hotel. He's in Sheridan right now in Iowa City, Iowa. And go to social media, Instagram and Letterboxd. Super Pulse is how you follow Matt. You can follow me on Blue Sky at jhoffman.com. Film Spotting SVU is produced by Sam Van Halgren.

1:32:15 We are part of the Film Spotting family of podcasts, which is a family you can join. You'll learn more about that by going to filmspotting.net. I'm Jordan Hoffman.

1:32:26 And I'm Matt Singer. Thanks for listening.