I Am All In…Again: A One Liner Revenge (Season 4 E13 “Nag Hammadi is Where They Found the Gnostic Gospel”)

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Hey Everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all In Podcast one eleven productions, iHeartRadio Media, iHeart Podcast seen Season four, episode the thirteen nag Hamadi is where they found the Gnostic Gospel. Air date February ten, two thousand and three. Synopsis. Jess returns with the bad attitude throws Leek completely off, while Lizzard introduces her new boyfriend tj Emily and Richard attended charity event with Jason Lorelei. Unbeknownst to them they are already dating. Then Jess finally confesses his true feelings to Rory.

Directed by Chris Long, written by Amy Sherman Palladino. That it's the dream combination right there. We are joined by a very special guest, and we have Crazy Carry with us herself. Jill Brennan Lincoln. How you doing, Jill?

I'm doing great? How are you.

Doing all right? You played Crazy Carry Duncan, Liz's best friend. Jill Brennan Lincoln is back. You had we had you on two thousand and three. In this time, we're going to recap her first episode as Crazy care. Here, Here we go, Here we go, Okay. Laurel and Rory wake up to a cold house because of a broken window.

She already called Luke to fix it. Lane is sleeping on the couch and still hasn't talked to her mommy. It's very tense. Emily calls and can't fill a table at a fundraiser, so she panics and tells Lorelei to bring people. It's her reputation at stake. She's dying. Lorelei and Rory attend the charity benefit. Emily asked Jason to sit with Laura I and pretend they are together. Yuck, yuck, yuck, and even joke about making out in the coat room, which they try to do. Floyd, Jason's dad, runs into Jason at this benefit, and it's a very cold exchange, like they are just sort of loose acquaintances. Emily and Richard think Floyd is up to something. They need to strategize, all right, Jill. This was a bit of comic relief

as Jason and Laura I pretend they are together and run off to the coat room. As Jason goes along with the plan, Does this change your mind about him? In a positive way. No, Please expand on your answer, Jill.

Uh No, he's he's you know, everybody. I mean, it's hard when you're when everybody's rooting for the two of you. So there was no way that he was going to, you know, be liked. And I you know, he was kind of slimy too.

Yeah, there is that quality. I'll agree with you. There there is that quality. But I have fun with these two. It's it's fun watching these two, Yeah, it is. I do enjoy it. I know it's going to be witty, banter. I know he's going to he's going to give as good as he gets, and it's going to be something zany and unexpected. And what I didn't expect and what I forgot about is this relationship with his own dad.

And isn't that just so It makes me feel for the guy. I mean, so so tragic.

It is tragic that.

Your dad, you and your dad are so distant. Yeah, and it's just so formal and stuffy and pretentious and stupid and what a waste of a relationship. I want to know more about that relationship. It's intriguing to me. I really really want to know more about it. But anyway, it is what it is. What do you think about Emily?

Have you ever seen Emily so freaked out in your life?

She was so funny, She was so great, and you know, I love ed Herman. You know, he's always you know what's so funny is I actually did a show on Broadway with him and he was so like the smartest guy in the room, right, like the smartest. He was just hysterical in the show. And so to see him be kind of, you know, always just trying to keep her happy, I love it. Yeah, she was really on fire about this for sure.

Yeah that's her. That's her reputation at stake. Yeah, absolutely something she'll fight for more than anything.

And she was hysterical at that table, like everybody had to move around and to try to make it look more full, and you know, and she doesn't even care. She would have taken somebody off the street to make sure that table was full for her her charity event recruiting.

And those those two girls that were sitting there, she.

Just they just were like, you know, dirt.

Contributing nothing, act like you're people please. Yeah, it was really funny. All right, Jess is back in town, so is Liz. Liz this. This draws Luke into the fold here a little bit, right, We're not we're not used to seeing Luke in so much of an episode, but he's in. He's in a lot of this. Jess is still in town trying to get his car fixed by Gypsy. Yeah, he's given her the business, so he's roaming around, accidentally runs into Rory. Just about everywhere Rory goes, there's Jess.

He's in the library, He's at Western's, he's here, he's there. Yeah, he runs away each time, accidentally running Yeah, in tim all of the place. And then Liz meets up with her friend you Carrie, Jill, you supposedly made out with Luke under the bleaches in high school, and she hits on him and calls calls him, butch Liz brought her earrings to be sold at the diner, and Luke does not like that idea. What is Luke? Why does Luke not like that?

Because he thinks that, Remember he thinks the diner is for food. And I think also Liz has these like well, it was so fun to rewatch the episode. I think that she apparently has these grandiose ideas of like trying new things and then falls apart when they don't work. So I think Luke is probably already in the midst with several problems with Jesse. The last thing he needs is Liz falling apart over her earrings not being bought in the diner.

So maybe he's preventing also her putting down her anchor in Stars Hollow. Oh, I would think, yeah, he doesn't want her there right.

Taking his food?

Everything right, right, right, right? But this book.

Danes I forgot Butch Janes was that? Why did you change your name? That's my fun like question. I love Amy and Dan, they're so amazing, But we called you Butch Danes all through high school and we call you that at the reunion too. Well, maybe it's just a nickname, right, Yeah, maybe that was like a really hot person or something, and the girls came up with Butch Danes, that's who you're going to be. But yeah, you deny the whole under the bleachers moment and all.

Of that, right, I mean that's the question, did it or didn't happen? Did it happen or not?

Oh it happened or died it happen? You're just completely ashamed by it?

Okay, Laurel, I means Liz, finally thinking it's me in the truck when it's Liz in the truck. Yeah, and she mistakes Laura I for his wife Nicole. Liz talks highly about Luke, calls him her hero. She's thinking of moving back to Stars Hollow, And then after Luke and just me TJ, Jess gets into a fight with Luke and tells him the exact opposite. He doesn't need to fix everything. Luke is visibly hurt from what he said.

Well that Jess. He's a little pisser, isn't he. Yeah, He's really not a nice kid, is he.

I think he has a few he has a few things to overcome.

He is a couple of things. Yeah, boy, because that was a That was a deadly deadly scene.

Yeah, it was for Luke.

It was like wow, But I thought a very funny scene.

It was really great scene. I loved it and I was one of the I love that scene in that episode.

Isn't that The great writing just comes forefront? And I'm watching that scene. I forgot got about that scene and I don't like watching myself. I think a lot of actors do not. They just cringe when they see themselves. But I did not cringe. I thought, Man, I felt really lucky that I got to do that dialogue, that I got to be in that scene and say those words because I knew exactly what to do with them, you know what I mean.

No, they were just terrific writers. And the characters they brought on there were just always whether they were a cameo or they were the leads, they were always detailed. They always were there for a purpose. They were always had this thing, this hook that everyone could get into and figure out the character they were really and that was a great scene. And people really cared about Jesse and they really cared about Luke, and they cared about that relationship. Right, So that's good writing. Hard to do that in a short period of time on TV.

Right. My manager last night and I said, do I have an acting reel because this one should be on it? And I gave him the scene it should be.

It's a very good thing.

I said, put this on there because this is a that is a great scene.

You were great in that scene.

Milo was great in that scene. I mean it's like it's like but it's the writing. It's like you can't everything came together in that scene. The lighting, the editing, the acting, the writing, most of all beautiful, just beautiful.

D you know, Before I started my scene, Kathleen, who was playing Liz, came up to me, right and she was like, Jill, I just I need you to know some they talk fast here. They talk really fast. You've got to talk fast. And I loved it. I remember thinking, oh wow, And I remember looking back on her, I remembering her saying that, and it was really it was really Gilmore Girls and West Wing that moved this quick. Right.

But one of the things I always struck me when I watched the show or come shoot is how many people actually came from theater that were used to that kind of pace, and then how many people were actually from film. And I mean I ended up, you know, hanging out with Kathleen a little bit after this. I loved her, but she really, if I'm not mistaken remembering looking at her career, she really came from more film.

So I remember just thinking like, you're going to get on this train and it's going to go and you're gonna have to be ready. And that's really what I always loved about coming on this set, was I had worked on Mani sets, and I didn't feel like people when they showed up for Gilmore Girls were ready to work, you know what I mean?

Like they were there was no messing around with the actors.

Were ready to do their job. And I'd never seen a line supervisor work harder than Gilmore Girls. Yeah, and West Wing in terms of like getting the lines right, making sure the contact, the context to what was going on was happening. It was. It was a great show. They were great writers. And you were in that scene.

Well thanks, Yeah, very powerful scene, very powerful storytelling. All right, Luke comes over to laurel Ize to fix her window. Yeah, but he's drunk, I.

Know, That's what was like and funny drunk.

He's drunk and he cuts himself and events about what Jess said to him. Yeah, but he's a fixer and that nobody wants him around fixing to mind my own business. Laurel I comfort Zone goes to Jess, gives him the business for what he said to Luke, And I've never liked Laurel I more. You know, that's what you do.

You stand up for your your friends, right, you stand up for your man, You stand up for your friends. All right, now we're at the Firelight Festival. Liz apologizes about Jess and thanks him Luke that is, for everything he did. Luke talks to TJ and says everything's okay, and then the famous line comes. It's like you think, you think Luke was being a little a little judgie with TJ and a little condescending and dismissive. And then and then t J gets his revenge with one line, you're.

H I love that. God was a great scene too, that was great.

That's hysterical. And then Luke gives Lorelei a pair of earrings that Liz made, the turquoise one, and it was just like it was kind of like a half friendship thing and a sort of half romantic vibe, you know, you know what I mean. It's like they they walked that line the right. The writing walks the line really really well with that kind of thing. All right, So Rory and just see each other at the food cart and she runs away and this is this is actually really funny. I get to leave first. This is my talent.

She gets. She's tired of this guy taken off every time they see each other, so now she wants to be the one to leave first, and she demands an explanation and she hasn't seen him in a while, and you left me and why are you here? And then when he drops the love bomb on her, it's like whoa.

Yeah.

She just stands there stunned and said, all right, So all right, here's some here's some thoughts starters. We get two opposite takes on Luke's character. Jess thinks Luke's fixing things is a negative trait, where Liz sees him as a hero for doing that. There is so much depth to Luke in this episode. What are your thoughts on this particular family dynamic?

You know, I thought that, I thought again, I think it's rich writing. I thought this whole episode really showed that the brother and the father that Luke was, you know, the domestic side that Luke was becoming by taking care of his family. And I think it deepened, which is good writing always. It deepened not only the audience caring more for him, but also lore Lies seeing that, and I thought it was really really needed. But even the scene where he really lets just have it, I thought that that that's what a father would do, so it really he's stepping in he always steps in begrudgingly. That's what was such a good character and you did such a great job. But he's stepping in fuller in this episode,

I feel like, really stepping up. And Ed loved getting to know more about him through Liz, your sister, and how how codependent she's been on you, and it just was we got to know a lot about Luke in this episode. I thought, all right, just.

Isn't terribly likable in this episode. But then he drops that I love you on Rory at the end and just leaves. How did that make you feel?

I don't know. I think one of the streams that the scenes that struck me was when Liz was talking to Lorlai, and that's another great acting choice by her and also by the writing was Lorlai didn't throw Jess under it. She didn't know that she was Rory's mother, you know, she didn't understand that relationship. And so just that idea that Laura Lai is upset that somebody's hurting her daughter that way, but she never really throws him under the bus. She finds a way to stay in a middle ground by still supporting her daughter and not trashing this young man. And I think I felt sorry for him. I mean, you know, I've seen enough movies and seen enough plays and that you really look at him and you think, oh, this kid has really had

a rough time. What's his story? Why does he keep making this choice? It's not helping him? And then I think You're the only one who could really penetrate your character in talking to him directly about it. So it was a pretty deep episode in that regard.

Yeah, it really was. It really struck a chord. I think a lot of people go through this in their families. I think there's a lot of lizes in families. There's justice in families.

Yep.

You know a lot of people go through this kind of stuff. Very relatable, very deep, very impactful. So what do I remember about getting a script like this? Emotional scenes, character development? You know, I've lived all this stuff. If I'm going to interview myself here, I've lived every bit of this. I've been Jess. I had a Liz in my life. I know about this stuff. I lived it, I grew up with it. I was it. So there was no real research that I had to do. I didn't have to ask anybody any questions. It just I knew it. This is familiar territory for me.

But that's what's so great about what we do when we do it, when we're storytellers, as you use what you have and the bad that has happened to you, it turns into good when you could use it to tell a story to impact other people. So I think that's really cool. We're getting deep.

Well, you know, it really is. I mean, look it. It sort of shifts the focus away from Lorelei and her relationship with with with her family, you know, Richard Emley, and it really focuses in on Luke and his family. So we're getting we're getting you know, we're getting a little time to delve into Luke's background. Have you ever known Jill this type of guy that Luke is portraying.

Yes, of course, I think I dated many of them, and when I was younger, you know, I did. I I, especially in New York, dated a guy from New Jersey. Reminded me a lot of him. And you know that this person that is got a lot of walls up, but underneath they're really a teddy bear that ends up doing the right thing for everybody, but would prefer to not have to put themselves in vulnerable positions, but when the time comes, they they're there for their family and they're there for people that they authentically care about in their community.

So yeah, I have What do you think about Jessic's chances here?

Oh? Man, I think it's good writing because it doesn't look good in this episode, right. He's not making good choices. He's running, he's hiding, he's not dealing with what he needs to deal with, and he's angry about it.

You know, let me ask you the perennial question that is being asked now and for the last several years, and people always ask me what team I'm on in terms of Rory's boyfriends Jeff, I know, Wow or Dean. How do you feel about that? Where do you fall?

I'm definitely it's more exciting. I always have been in this show. I just thought he was her first real love, and for me, the romantic part of their relationship from the beginning to the middle of the end was really exciting to watch and really engaging. So I mean, you know, I really was always team jess Plus, he was super cute and he had that bad boy quality and that's a lot that's fun.

I'm trying to look at it. And I have a very practical answer for this question that I will share. But I think that those two sort of reflect each other's wounds, psychological wounds, perhaps on a deeper level than diner logan. But oh, okay, I don't know if it's the healthiest. I don't know that they're really in love.

I don't know that. I don't I don't know that what they're responding two in each of them is love with the other person or or is it a recognition of a wound that they both share from their childhood that has to do with hers with Christopher or her father, and him with obviously his father.

And you know, that makes a lot of sense. I think that's a great idea. I love that. I think maybe what I was responding to, which I think it's a huge part of young romance, is I just felt like the chemistry between them and the attraction was stronger. Right, that's what I'm attracting. And it's probably because of what you said.

Yeah, maybe that's just because of the wound. It's not falling in love that has to represent safety for you, Right, it's a different if it's it's a different chemical right. I don't know if these if these two I'm trying to figure out if these two are just sort of, you know, giving each other dopamine hits as opposed to like real, real pair bonding.

Well, that's young love, right. Would they have made it in their thirties and forties? I don't know, right, Yeah, I think it's a good point.

Right, because I always say Logan. And the reason I answer Logan is, you know, he's to the manner born, she's to the manner born sort of. I think intellectually, yeah, he was her equal. I think that he is more mature than the other two. I think he also has his issues with his own father, but they are not insurmountable, and he is strong enough and smart enough to sort of get self help and also get the therapy. I think that he might need, right to overcome this. I just think he's more of a man at a young age, more of a potentially good man at a young age, than the other two. And I also think, and this is a cynical part of me, that ten years into their marriage, let's say it's Logan and Rory, and it's

Logan's child, and they have a second child and they're ten years in to a marriage. I'm thinking, who's less likely to cheat? Who's more likely to cheat?

Oh?

For sure, Jess is it Jess? Is it Dean? Dean is it Logan? And I fall on it's either two thirds of these guys are gonna cheat or they're all gonna cheat. And now we have to talk about divorce and where she's going to get the best settlement. And I know that's very cynical, but she's going to get tens of millions of dollars a divorce settlement from Logan, and maybe some of that money trickles back into Luke and Laurel. I maybe I can get a boat, Laura, I can get a better in whatever. But then O Rory also gets some kind of revenge, a measure of revenge against Mitchem Huntsberger, who you know, pretty much pillar to Post destroyed her ego regarding her career in journalism.

So she didn't have it, you know, she just doesn't have what it takes this kind of thing. Maybe he was right, if something like that is going to crush a person, then they maybe they weren't meant for it anyway. But I almost disagree with that because a lot of people that are highly sensitive, highly gifted, highly talented can easily get crushed by, especially like a wrecking ball that Mitcham hunsker Burger was to her. I mean he delivered that with a crush crushing blow after crush blow. I mean, there's there's a way to say something like that, and he you know, he just went for the jugular. Yeah, So anyway, she gets a revenge. Plus, I also think in the lore of in the lore of the storytelling,

you can continue this piece with a kind of a Gilmore Hunsburger children. As they grow the does the DNA force them into stars hollow like situations? So the storytelling continue to a new generation of people, you know, the children of Rory and Logan. Will they grow up and rebel the way Laura like, you know what I mean?

Is it just in their DNA? So I think that for me is the best choice. And that's my answer, and I'm sticking to it.

Okay, there you go. I'm sticking to Jess.

There you go. Yeah, like you I do.

I think, I don't know. I think there's also a counter argument that opposites attract and they can be good for each other, right they opposite way of viewing life. And I don't know. I think maybe Jess might settle down and be more like Luke as he gets older and want to be in a consistent place and not need as much pressure on himself to make a living and meet all the needs and be happy in a smaller town. It could happen, So that might work.

There was a part of me that's rooting for Jess and that I do see him eventually getting it together and you know, teaching English at a community college or a small college somewhere in the Northeast and being settled and yeah, yeah, no figuring it out.

Yeah, he's pretty young if you first see him.

Right, I think he's self aware enough to with that boats well for his future, you know, na contemplations and yeah, you know, knowing that he needs to get help and knowing that, you know, and he's probably smart enough to figure it out all on his own. But it was always nice to seek help, right, and a sign of real strength. Actually, Dean, how do you think that one turns out that that marriage to.

I think I agree with you that I'd feel more in the Logan route. The Dean just not. I don't go there with the Dan right right, Yeah, not much for me, just that I don't think that there was talk about somebody I think would cheat mm hmmm. And I think we'd have the biggest problem regarding the manner and all of that. In some ways, I don't. I just don't. I don't see it. So that's me all right.

Well, our time is drawing, nigh uh jil. Thanks for joining us, always a pleasure. Please come back and remember where you guys lead, we will follow best fans on the planet, keep those cards and letters coming and stay safe out there. All the best everybody, and also again follow us on Instagram at I Am all In podcast and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.

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