IAAI Town Meeting: Luke is THE Good One (Season 4 E13 “Nag Hammadi is Where They Found the Gnostic Gospel”)

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This is Suzanne. We do not have Tara.

Here, so I have to do the introduction by myself and I'm kind of scared, but I'm okay.

I'm here today with Jackie.

Hi eyes.

I'm filling in for Tar for the next few weeks because dun, dun dud she's on.

Jerry Dewey said she up picked.

Performing her civic duty.

So exactly, I'm looking forward to hearing what kind of case she got because it's gonna go on for a little while.

It sounds, yes, a couple of weeks, and I do know, but we shall discuss in a couple of weeks.

Okay, cool.

You know I had a friend, I'm actually a coworker that got on a jury recently as an alternate, and so she had to sit through all of the testimony and when they got to the deliberation part, because she was an alternate, they didn't need her and.

So they let her go.

So she never even got to hear what the verdict was like she never got closure.

Oh oh my god, all the testimony.

But anyways, personally, I would like to be on the jury of like a true crime criminal murder case because I love true crime, but like in a high profile one like Scott Peterson case. I'm totally biased because I'm from the area, but I would have loved been on that jury. And then like, you know, I don't know, I'm just weird like that. I'm into like those like what serial killers, Zodiac Sign.

Golden State Killer.

I went through a real hard true crime frase phase like I was this too, like a lot of podcasts on true crime.

Then I was like, okay, I new stop because then I would have dreams.

Yeah, but you know sometimes those big cases like you have to put they sequester you so you have to like, oh, that's trife on hold like that.

Oh no, I wouldn't want to do that then, but.

Yeah, I was on I actually have not ever been on a regular jury, but I did actually serve on a grand jury once downtown La Los Angeles County. I had to go to the big courthouse right next to city Hall, and.

It was actually pretty cool. It was.

It was a well I can't say because they actually never filed charges, so I can't. I can't think what it was because it was never made public. But it was a civil matter. But it was super interesting, like we all had our own.

Desks and like it. Wow, they treated us really well. Anyways, that's good.

Yeah, we're here to talk about Gilmore Girls today, so let's do that. So today we're going to talk about season four, episode thirteen. Nagamadi is where they found the Gnostic Gospel. Long title, great episode. This episode aired February tenth of two thousand and four.

Yes, that is a long title. And before this I never knew what knag Hamadi was. And then I realized that it's like those those Well, I like.

How like at the end, the boring guy giving the speech says, you know, without this fund or whatever, we'd still be wandering around nag Hamadi. And so then you're like, well, what is nog Hamadi? But then you look at the title of the episode and it answers that for you. Yeah, I still person understand it, but you know, I don't know anything about rare manuscripts.

But yes, so there's a lot, there was a lot going.

There's a lot of deep stuff going on too, Like in the episode that Scott recaps with Joe Brennan, Lincoln's Crazy Carry go back and listen to that he recaps this episode with him, it got deep, It got deep, And so I can see that because there is a lot of deep like trauma from all of the families in this episode, especially the Danes family, which I loved.

So let's see that part.

I like getting more of like Luke's backstory kind of and you know, seeing his relationship with a sister and you can kind of get a sense of how he wound up the way he is, like, you know, because he's ranted about family and things before, but now we kind of see, okay, this is where that's all coming from.

So so yeah, lots of good stuff and just the magic of the Firelight Festival. Yeah, this is just one of my favorite episodes. And so sometimes, you know, sometimes you just want to you feel like you want to watch an episode of Gilmore Girls.

This is one of the ones that I reached. I put on and watch it and it's very.

Yeah, that's nice. I have that with Friends with Friends.

I put on the one with the prom video You're my lobster, like one that I go to, Yes, that's like, oh, I just want to be light and cheery, but also.

Like a like oh moment, you know what I mean. Ross and Rachel kiss in that one.

But but here it's like you you get real true meaning of like why Luke's way is. And I remember when I hopped on to produce Jill and Scott. I told Scott I was like, Scott, you made me emotional in this episode. I was like your performance. And he's all thank you, like he was, you know, like gracious and all that. But I was like wow, like and I know, and sometimes when you know the actor is kind of hard to separate, like the character from the actor, you know. But I was like totally in tune with Luke Danes in this episode, especially when he's drunk with Why Yes.

I was like, wow, that's a lot of blood on that shirt. But also it was it was good. He did a really good job.

And I know he talks about like, you know, playing drunk it's really hard to do, but he did a really good job. I had a lot of depth. And Jess too, he's so he's so mean, but also you get why because you mean and you're like, oh, Okay, Yeah, there's just.

So much going on.

So the opening scene, did you notice the clown pillow?

Oh? I didn't see it. I was looking for it everywhere else, even in the drunk scene. I was like, where is a clown pillow?

Yeah it was.

You know, we haven't seen it for a while, so I thought, gosh, is it gone?

But no, it made an appearance in this episode, the very opening when she's taping the like when she's doing the window thing and Barbie yeah, and it's like freezing cold and and all that. So, yeah, clown pillow in that scene.

Yeah.

So Jess comes back to town and he's waiting for his car to be fixed. So in the meantime, he's kind of rotating around different sites in town and Rubery keeps running into him. Yeah, I guess Now, it was always obvious to me that he I guess she interpreted that as he was mad at her and that's why he kept leaving.

But literally, I mean it was clear to me that he I.

Don't know if he was like embarrassed or he was just trying to avoid confrontation, because you know, he had kind of just disappeared before. That's what I got at yeah, like lots lots of different feels there, and.

So you kind of are wondering, like where's where's this gonna go exactly?

And what made me chuckle, like literally laugh out loud was the running at the end when she's like smoot down.

And then the way that she's running.

I don't know if like the director purposely told Alexa Bladel to like run like like like your kid, like with and your legs flaily, because like when you usually run, you're usually like right like, and she was just like, nah, this is right, like act like a child and run like Phoebe does again my friend's reference like Phoebe does and friends when Rachel goes running with her. But it was really good. And I think the he's non confrontational, he's scared. He's still a seventeen year old kid that doesn't know how what to do with his feelings exactly.

Know. Yeah, yeah, Like he's like this big tough guy. Bet he still has that insecurity exactly exactly, and he just he just doesn't know what to say to her until like he does.

I loved when he says, where did you learn how to run?

Like that?

I know?

It was so good. It was so good.

And one thing I thought was funny is like she's she's running around the square and she's she's yelling like you know, she's running clearly running away from him, but like all the townspeople like no one's trying to help her, I know, And she's like running away from a guy, and she's like leave me alone, Like wouldn't you try to help I don't know that, yeah, because they knew Rory and they knew Jess, but they know Jess is like they all think Jess is a punk, so I think they'd try to help her.

But yeah, yeah, it was. It was a good scene. Good scene.

That was another one. And we meet TJ in this episode.

Gary, Yeah, I was like, what is this?

People either love or hate TJ.

I think he's funny, like me too.

He's kind of like probably not somebody I would be friends with in real life, because you know, he's just he is kind.

Of dope, strange.

Yeah, as a character, he's so funny, and we get the sense that Liz like, really this might be a good thing for Liz. I know, Luke kind of like played it off like, oh, you know, he's just another one of the string of men, but by the end he kind of realizes, Okay, maybe she really is.

Settling down this time.

So yeah, there's a little bit.

Of hope there, even though he is kind of a wacko.

And speaking of like Liz and Luke, like I thought they're dynamic, like you, she's he puts her down a lot, you know, like, oh you're doing this now, Oh you're doing this now.

It's like, well, how much has she done to make him that way?

You know? But like also I was just like, quit putting your little sister down, you know what I mean, My brother was talking to me that way. I was just like, dude, let it be, you know. But also we don't know how much Liz has done, right, Like tell how.

Many dances has he given her?

Fast? And she's blown it, Like I think he's just kind of jaded. Yeah, and he's like, this is just the same old Liz. So got some work to do to prove that she's made a change.

So yeah, And I liked the juxtaposition of the two views of Luke, like when you get just in you don't need to fix everything, and then you have Liz saying.

He's my hero.

And I loved, loved that because it was like, yeah, he's both you know, you know, sometimes he does get overly involved, but also you know that's it's a blessing and a curse to care so much about something, want to be there for people and be the stable one, you know, because you do like take a toll on yourself for putting everybody else in front of you, and you know, and so it's like, i mean, come on, we're moms.

We know what that's like.

You know, it's yeah exactly, and when you know, Jess is so mean to Luke in this episode, but then Luke still leaves the money in Jess's car, like like it's just that's just who Luke is.

He just takes care of things.

And you know, like when he shows up to fix laurel I's window, that's just what he does. He just takes care of things.

Yeah. So yeah, it was nice.

Yeah exactly, this was This was a good Luke episode, I think, yeah, And I loved that We're kind of like jumping around in the timeline, but I'm gonna do it anyway. The when Liz gives Luke the earrings that she made and she says, you can give these to your wife, or Laurel I like she even you can see that there's something no there, like and that you know clearly obviously we're at the point of the season where it's building up quickly to the to the Luke and Lorelei stuff. But but even Liz, you know, in all her crazy self, she can even see that.

Yeah, that's going on, especially when they meet too in the truck, you know, and like how how like Laura Lauren did a good job face acting, but like how she like softens her expressions when when Liz is talking about how he's she's always there for me, He's always there for me. And then Laurlai says maybe he's a good one, maybe he's the good one.

And I was like that line, I jotted it out.

Maybe the good one, and I was like, she's so slowly you're seeing the feelings and it's like, oh, yes, he's yeah, you.

Know, yeah, And this is this is why I love this part of the series. I just love, like the end of season four is I don't know, it's just my favorite part, Like watching that that.

Develop, yeah, because we have so much build up, yes.

Yeah, yeah, it's like we've been waiting for you know, all three and a half season.

I haven't.

Yeah, we're finally we're finally getting it.

Yeah, it's really good.

One thing I noticed when when Jess was in the bakery and Rory sees him there and then he goes out the door. Did you notice that, like whatever sweatshirt he was wearing, like they had the logos all taped up, and it was like, yeah, your back of the sweatshirt, Like why would they not have just put him in a plane sweatshirt?

Yeah, Like or maybe that's the logo I don't know, or maybe it's Levis and they're taping it up because it's the FIFA World Cup, like what happened with.

Maybe I don't know.

I'm just kidding, you know, like a little I can understand, like you would tape it up, but on the back of the sweatshirt it was literally big.

Yeah.

I noticed that too.

I noticed something else too, when they meet Crazy Care and Luke walks in to the diner and you see a logo on Crazy carries back and it's baby Fat the kitty.

I didn't even her jacket, yes, and IVEN know it because I used to own Baby Fat.

I just wanted that kitty logo and then I got I wonder if it's still like because it was very in that era when this Parent's two thousand and four.

I was like, you know, right out of high school and then and they still make clothes. I was like, it's still it's still yeah, I know, it's so funny. I was like, oh, that's a throwback.

Yeah.

And we got a quick appearance from Babbett in this episode. We haven't yes for a while, so that was fun.

Yeah. I like her small kitchen. I kept looking at her kitchen because it's small.

It's small.

And did you notice I've never paid attention before, but all the cat statues, like that whole wall where they were sitting, it was just all like little cat figurines and cat statues.

Oh my gosh, they were holding one.

They were holding a cat.

Ye.

Yes, yeah, it's cute, very cute.

And they had I noticed in the wide shot you could see under her couch there was like a bunch of electrical equipment.

Oh my gosh, set things.

That they probably didn't know we were going to see twenty years.

Yeah, I know, right, So I did notice something.

I pulled to Suzanne and we watched and I was like okay, because I watched the first time when I had to do this with Scott because I produced that, and then I was like, okay, I gotta watch again to have my Suzanne eyes on. And so I noticed, you know, when Jess is pushing the car Downstars Hollow and there's a whole bunch of traffic and all that, and he's talking to Luke and they're pushing and all that.

Up, I was looking at the license plates, every single one.

Most of them had Connecticut because it was all blue, and I wonder if they missed one.

They did.

They missed one and it was from Florida and it had the orange in the middle.

And I was like, oh, and it's.

Right when like Luke and Jess are like going at it about you know, like oh, that's funny, the Budweiser Clyesdale joke and whatever it was, you know, like yeah.

And so I was like, oh, I found something I read somewhere.

And I have no idea if this is true, because I can't even remember where I read it, so I can't go back and verify it.

But I remember reading somewhere that in some of.

Those scenes where they had a lot of cars, like milling around the town square. They were like cast members or crew members, so they wouldn't have to go rent cars. They just had like the crew members cars would be parked there, they'd be rolling around.

Someone who knows, but that's.

Probably Yeah, I thought it something.

I didn't even that.

Yeah, one thing, and this this isn't necessarily a mistake, but I noticed in the scene the handful of Barbie scenes, so Luke is at lorealized house fixing the window and he cuts himself and she's using that red towel.

To kind of blot blood. She just like drops the bloody towel on the couch.

And I noticed that too.

That's gonna stain your upholster.

I literally I noticed that too.

I was like that the red, the red thing is on the couch. I was like, and you have a tan couch. I would not do that, yeah, like in real life. And I was looking, was like, is there any stains or anything. Also when he was sitting there, because it was really like on the bottom of the shure there's a lot, it was like really would sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, And then he talked, he says like, oh I fell back, and I felt like Kirk and all that. I would love to see that scene of him going into the window and then falling.

Off and then stumbling in. I was like, but then that would require like stunts and all.

That, but yeah, it would have. It would have been funny. We have to just imagine it.

But my husband pointed out, He's like, but if it's so cold, why is her bedroom window open upstairs?

Yeah?

Like, well maybe it was just unlocked unlocked. Yeah, yeah, some people use open to me unlocked.

But yeah, exactly because like I put down our windows as just like you.

Know, the up to down, and I don't want them all the time. So it's yea, yeah, probably that they're talking about Loretta Bobbins. I thought they said Loretta Bobbin And I was like, huh, I can.

Never talk about the woman who cut off the guys, you know.

And I was like that peaked.

I did the same thing the first time I watched. I'm like, wait, really, why why would they pick that name? But and then like you realize she says Bobbins, but very clearly, so it is.

Very close. And I was like, oh, you know, Dan Palladino, whoever wrote this?

Like who did write this?

It was oh? Amy Sherman Palladino like she's getting sp say she put that in, but no she it wasn't.

Speaking of which, my favorite Laura in this episode is when TJ tells Luke thanks, you're a dick. Yeah, but that that has like worked its way into our family's just you know, generic language and so yeah.

My husband will hand me something. I'll be like yeah, so yeah, it's all good.

It was good.

And I like the music Grantly Phillips song and it was just like so magical, like.

The you know, like that scene when he goes and you know, exits.

And talks to them and all that, and it's just cute like brother sister conversation.

It was meaningful.

He says I'm sorry and all that, and I think that's what he really wanted to hear and to get his head around, like Liz and the situation and Jess, because I think Luke holds a lot of like I couldn't help him, and then like you know, she kind of resolved it for him, says he's nineteen, you can't you know what I mean? So I think he blames a lot because of the whole Rory situation, and he blames like I brought him into this town and like it's a lot on himself, and so I I think that was nice conversation to wrap that up.

Yeah, yeah, I agree, because he is all, like we just said, he is the one that always fixes things, and so because he couldn't fix this est situation, he internalized.

That as like a failure on his part. Yeah really wasn't.

Like he's never parented a seventeen year old before, and this is a particularly easy seventeen year old. Like, yeah, he did his best and he has no fault in this, but he just felt like he had done a bad job.

And so Liz kind of lifted that off of him.

So yeah, that's nice.

Yeah, so now he can, like and again you're seeing these emotional moments with Luke of like him coming to terms of like who he is and what he can handle and what he wants to do for others. You know, throughout this part of the season that it's preparing him.

Yeah, a lie for him to be fully open to.

Like go for it, you know, And I love it. I just love I really like this season. I'm with you when you know you say, like like half of four and five, I'm like right there, with you not. Even Amelia is so cute in this episode.

He was his hair was on point, he looked really I was just gonna say about the ear rings. So Luke gave Lorlie the ear rings, but then says, Liz wanted you to have them, Like he made it clear that they like he wanted her to think that they were from Liz and not from him. But obviously they really were from him because he chose to give them to.

Her and not to all.

So he's like right on the edge there of that there's some feelings there. So it's just that fun kind of lead up to Yeah, it happened, So it was.

It was good.

And of course they have Kirk, you know, be the like funny, comical stars hollow person with the like Roger Roger you know, like and screaming and all that. I was like, it was such a good blend of like the stars hollowness of the show and what why people love the show?

And yeah, yeah, I really loved that whole festival thing. I always liked the town events. I know I say that like every single episode, but I really like the town Festival and it reminded me, especially watching it this time.

It reminded me so much of Holidays.

Made Here because the last night of Holidays Made Here, it had been raining all day, so the town square was all wet, just like it was in the show. In this episode, and just hearing like the Grantly Phillips music and you know, everybody's just kind of milling around. It totally reminded me of that last night of Holidays Made Here. Scott left, some of us went back into stars Hollow and we went to the Secret Bar and we had drinks with some of the some of the Warner.

People, and it just was such a nice moment.

And then we all because they had the the thing where they projected the scenes from the show on the buldings. So when they did that, we all walked out and watched the last one of those and it was just like I was watching it this episode, I'm like, oh my gosh, that was so much like that, and like it was like being at an actual firelight festival.

That's nice, that's all. But yeah, it was yeah, cool, Yeah, that's nice. A great episode.

Yeah, there was one line that I want to say that I also tolt you down another one so with.

Right after they meet TJ.

Jess and Luke meet TJ and they're outside in this and the outside outside the door, and Jess lets him have it. But they were like, he's a grown man with an Etches sketch. And then Jess says, shake him real hard and make maybe you'll disappear. And I was like, what the heck, shake him real hard. I'm like, this is such clever writing. I was like, that was another line I jotted down.

And I don't even know if if people nowadays, like I grew up in the seventies, so I had an Etche sketch, but I don't know if people.

Even know what an etch sketch is.

Anyway, it is still sold in in in toy stories because I just went to Geppetos. It's that toy store in malls, you know that I got wet Stoll Malls, and they do have an Etch sketch. And I was like trying to get my son to do like because my son's three, and I'm trying to get him to do the classic stuff, you know, it's like the wooden trains, like not as much plastic, you know, like the you know, and we got him Operation and Connect four, but he's still a little small for that. But you know, we're trying to we have the game of life, but he's obviously too small for that. Yeah, but we're trying to get him that kind of stuff. So it is still around. Okay, it is still around.

That's good to know. Good.

Yeah, we have a good episode. I really liked this episode. So happy to come on and talk about its hearts on Jerry Day.

I know, it's nice to change things up. So yeah, it's great to have a conversation about it. So that wraps it up for this week.

Next week we will be talking about season four, episode fourteen, the incredible Sinking Laurelize.

So this was the dual meltdowns are coming.

Yes, we got so much Danes in this one. We get so much Gilmour's in the next one.

Yes, Yes, another good episode. All right, Well with that, we'll see you next week.

And oh I get to say it meeting adjourned Hey dot Hey, everybody.

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IAAI Town Meeting: Luke is THE Good One (Season 4 E13 “Nag Hammadi is Where They Found the Gnostic Gospel”)

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