I Am All In…Again: Could this be the most awkward episode of the series? (Season 5 E5 “We Got Us a Pippi Virgin”)

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Hey, everybody. Scott Patterson, iAmAllIn Podcast, 111 Productions, iHeartMediaRadio.com. iHeart Podcast. We are recapping season five, episode five with our beloved super fan, Haley Bell Mullins. Welcome to the show, Haley. Hi. How are you doing? Where are you today? Where are you from?

I am from Georgia. So the Atlanta, Georgia area.

Oh, that's fantastic. So welcome to the show. She got our attention on social media with her daughter, whose name is Lorelei, and a many stars hollow playroom for her videos galore. Welcome to the show. Tell us about yourself. When did you start watching Gilmore Girls?

So I started watching Gilmore Girls when it originally aired. My mom and I used to sit down and watch it every week, you know, before even TiVo was a thing or people could have TiVo, you know, because it was too expensive when it first came out, obviously. So we would sit down every week. It was Thursdays and then I think it switched to Tuesdays on the CW together.

And my mom is also pretty young. She had me when she was 20. So her and I just really relate to that mother-daughter relationship and kind of growing up together. So yeah, I've been watching it my whole life pretty much.

So why does this show mean so much to you?

It is just truly just such a comfort. Everyone says that, right? Like it's a comfort show, but it is truly just, when I'm mad, when I'm sad, when I'm happy, it's what I turn to. Because it is just, it is, I call it like a hug in television form, right?

Yeah. All right. Then you start having your own family. You start dressing up with your daughter, named and rightfully so, dressed up as Lorelei. And then even build a Stars Hollow playroom in your house, and it went viral. Did the attention that that brought you surprise you?

I guess maybe slightly. I know, obviously, Gilmore Girls has had a huge resurgence. So I definitely didn't expect it to go as viral as it did. But yeah, so it was surprising. It was exciting to connect with other fans, for people to see something that I created and get so much joy out of it and be able to speak with people. I really have liked that aspect of it.

Right, right. All right, so we're going to get into We Got Us a Pippa Virgin air date, October 12, 2004. Lorelai is having trouble accepting Dean and Rory back together and even suggests a double date with her and Luke to make things less awkward, but that fails miserably. Emily and Richard keep out of each other's way during their separation, and Zach is taking his time with his response to Lane's feelings, directed by none other than Steadicam Steve, Stephen Clancy, and written by Daniel Palladino. All right, Emily and Richard.

Richard's visiting Rory at Yale, and they chat about what he's been up to lately. Then he asks if Emily has had her six-month car checkup and maybe mention it to her. Lorelei and Rory head to Friday night dinner with Emily. She bought a panic room because she's living alone, and they break into the pool house and to get more gin while Richard's out on a business trip. Emily starts snooping around and finds a glitter vest. She thinks it's a party vest, and she's appalled. Emily calls Lorelai and gives her panic room code, and it's all ones.

Lorelai and Rory discuss the separation situation, and Rory hates it, but Lorelai thinks they need to work it out on their own. Richard visits Emily in the house. He tells her about the property tax bill. And about his barbershop quartet, he stops when he sees the panic room and keeps walking. Haley, how do you think Richard and Emily are handling the separation?

Terribly, obviously. But, you know, I don't love that storyline in general just because I want to see them together. But it obviously happened. So it's fine. But yeah, terribly, you know, just a little bit of communication could get us so far here.

Yeah, I agree with you. It's very destabilizing for the entire show to see those two at odds. I absolutely agree. I don't particularly like it either. And that begs the question, do they really need to be out of each other's lives completely?

No, no, I don't think so. I mean, of course, like it's brought up multiple times. Well, you're not really alone. He lives in the pool house. Oh, well, he might as well be miles and miles away. Like he's right there, guys.

What are we doing? Right. It's sort of become the Richard and Emily show. And it's not the show we want to see. I do understand how she feels, though. I mean, if he's having secret lunches with Pendle and Lott for 30 odd years.

Oh, that that would send me over the edge for sure.

That's tough right there. That's either end it. Right. Or I mean, she's obviously having problems with it. She's processing it still. She might need some professional help at this point.

Let's get, you know, some therapists in here. Maybe we go to a couple's therapy, something along those lines.

I think this is a good question for a therapist and how they could address Emily's consternation at Richard's behavior, which is not ideal. All right. Do you think they miss each other as Rory has suggested that they do?

I absolutely believe so. I, I mean, I never questioned Richard's love for Emily. I truly do believe he loves her. I think he made terrible choices. Why, why would you do that? I mean, but obviously men's brains and women's brains don't necessarily work the same. So why he did that, I don't know, but I never questioned his love for her.

And obviously she deeply loves him because she's deeply hurt. If she didn't love him, she would be indifferent and she could just move forward.

So, so let me ask you this as a super fan, because I want to understand this because I'm so deeply inside baseball here that it's hard to, you know, place myself outside of it and be objective at all, because I always state how much I, I love the Rachel, I'm sorry, not the Rachel, but the, you know, my, my, my daughter entering the scene and causing this fracture in the Luke and Lorelei relationship. April, yeah. April, sorry. Is it the same kind of a tectonic shock shift that this is to the show where the fan base is just like, what is going on with this April thing?

Absolutely.

I think that that came so out of left field. Because, like, what? I mean, we don't even hear much about Luke's past. Obviously, we have Rachel in the beginning. But there's not a whole lot of, like, when did Luke have the time to have a child? I guess it's so many. It truly feels like it comes out of left field. And then, obviously, the fans hate it because it puts a strain on Luke and Lorelai's relationship, who we wanted together for so long.

And then we finally get it, and then we lose it. So, yeah, I feel bad for her. for April because she gets a lot of heat and she was just a little child who came in, not, not, you know, knowing any, any of that stuff.

But for the fans, you know, they need their, they need their safe spaces. They need their, they need their pillars. And when they begin to crumble, it gets a little, I don't know, well, destabilizing. So anyway, I guess it's okay to do that for a little bit, just to have those moments of this reunion, and then all is well in Mudville. All right, so the awkwardness of Dean here.

Things are awkward with Dean and Lorelei, so to make things better, she suggests a double date with Luke. Rory mentioned it to Dean at Kyle's. He is hesitant, but he agrees that at that double date, They head to the Black, White, and Red movie theater to watch Cool Hand Luke, but it's broken, so they watch Pippi Longstocking.

During the date, Luke is giving toot to Dean and hates how he is with Rory. Then later after the date, things get worse when it comes to beer and a very awkward game of bobbits, so Dean leaps. Rory's upset about the night. Luke explains why he doesn't like Dean, gets defensive for her. Lorelai tries to explain. He then compares her to Pippi Longstocking. They hug it out and drink beer. This one does. As Rory's on her way out, she sees Dean. They chat about the night through a car window and think it was like the old days at the theater. All right. Was Luke being too overprotective of Rory, Haley?

I don't think so. I actually think he's kind of valid in this scene. anger, just because, I mean, he makes some good points. He wasn't overreacting. her when he got married. He should have never gotten married. There were just, there's so many things that Dean does that. I mean, do I think Rory's better than Dean and the, when Luke says that he's, he's, not good enough for her she's too good for him no no not in that sense but there were so many there are so many decisions dean has made that are just poor decisions so should they be together no and then i also think at the very end of that episode which i actually had not caught this in my millions of watches but when she says oh it's like the old times these

two are searching for something that is well past that the relationship that they are grasping at is never going to be again Because they are two totally different people who have lived too much life at this point to go back to where they were.

Right. Yeah, this is five years in. So people change, especially at that age. Boy. Well, I guess it was endearing to see Luke look at her as his own daughter, right? Absolutely. That's probably another reason April was not well received. It's like, yo, you already have a daughter, buddy. What's going on? Right?

We all.

Claim you as her dad, yes.

Okay. Anyway, now I'm beginning to see it. So, all right, this is absolutely a pretty awkward episode.

Oh, it's definitely awkward. I do think the Bop-It scene is hilarious. It's very uncomfortable, but it's hilarious to watch.

Right.

Just because in what universe is bringing a Bop-It out going to make the situation any better?

Right, right.

But It is funny, and I actually want to try it at some point in a really tense scenario to just bring a Bop It out.

You know, I just came from Destination Stars Hollow up there in Brighton, Michigan. And, you know, they put on such a great event up there. And I think they actually do have a Bop It competition.

Oh, my gosh, that's hilarious.

That's one of the features for fans to enjoy. So I think only 100,000 people showed up.

Oh, only 100,000. Oh, my gosh.

That's incredible.

Yeah. I've seen the event since it started. I have not attended, but it looks incredible. They look like they're doing a really good job with it.

Oh, they are. Yeah, Kathleen and Anna are handling it. You know where my mind goes to when I see this episode? Remember that Vineyard Valentine episode up in Malibu or Martha's Vineyard? Yes. Okay. Maybe there's some similarities to be drawn from that and the awkwardness.

Yeah. I do think Vineyard Valentine is more awkward than this one.

You do?

Slightly. At least that one just gives me cringe. That one is a skip one for me. I'm like, okay, we can skip through this one. Okay.

Really you're admitting that.

I you know we gotta you gotta have some skip episodes it is it happens but yeah that one is is rough for me just because luke is extra surly in that one and i'm just like we you know sometimes we can give our woman what she desires which is valentine's day okay we it's okay he.

Didn't even bother to get her a gift I know.

Well, hey, at least Logan helped out, you know?

But I mean, if it takes that, then oof. Yeah.

So that one, I'm just like, we'll just skip it. And then just the whole, the Howell situation's awkward, and Mitchum showing up is awkward, and I'm just like, oh, okay, no, we're good. We'll just skip it.

It's okay. All right, Lane and Zach. All right, they're at band practice in the apartment. Zach's pretending there's nothing to talk about, even though Lane kind of asks if he has anything he wants to say. And he says no. And so Lane takes it back, telling him how she feels. So Zach, and this is really a situation where I don't get it. You know, I don't know why she's so smitten with this guy. But she is, and that's what makes horse races, I guess. And then Zach comes into Luke's and admits Lane should know him better. It takes him a bit to process things. It's going to take longer than a chord change. And she smiles. How do you see these two as a couple, Haley?

I mean, the problem was they gave us Dave Rogowski, right?

Right.

Then anything else after that was never going to live up.

Exactly. So what are you.

it was always going to fail. So really we should be mad at Adam Brody for going to do the OC is, is just what it is. But yeah, Zach was set up to fail from the beginning because Dave was the perfect boyfriend. Now, I mean, Zach has plenty of flaws because like, what do you mean she asked you this and it takes you a while to process and like, and then she has to tell you, nevermind.

And then you're like, oh wait, okay. Like, dude, like that's immature. We're not doing that.

Right, right, right. And we saw how he acted. I mean, they had their first gig and he's got groupies.

Oh, my gosh. Or when he melts down with his little Britney Spears microphone that he has. And I'm like, what?

No. Yeah. He's... Man. Eye of the beholder type of a deal. All right. Overall, what did you think of the episode?

It's one of those episodes where... I feel like it is kind of a little bit of filler. There's nothing grand that happens throughout the entire episode, but some of those are the best episodes just because, again, this show is a comfort show. It is meant to feel, to me, like something that could really be happening in your life, which I think is why so many people love it and it's so relatable. I mean, you have shows where people are vampires or every horrible thing in the world that could happen happens. And that's not this show. So I love episodes like this because my mom and I would or could go on a double date to a movie, you know, or I hope my grandparents aren't, you know, separated. But,

you know, these things are very connectable to our life. So I do love this episode. And I personally, the Pippi jingle, I sing it every time. Every time it pops up. Freckles on her nose, diddle diddle.

Yep.

I know it word for word and I will rattle it off because I.

Oh, that's wonderful. Well, okay. Okay. As a super fan, do you know other super fans and do you get together with them to talk about episodes or do you have a friend group that watches the episodes together or separately, but get together online or whatever coffee shop and discuss the episodes? Have you ever done that?

So I, I've done like Gilmore girls trivia and I've made friends through Gilmore girls trivia, like coffee shops. It's actually where I met one of my really good friends. But a funny story, I was just in Hawaii on a family vacation and we had some family photos done. And the woman taking our photos, we walk up and she didn't know everyone's name yet. And I had said Lorelai's name casually, just speaking with her. And she perks up and she's like, wait, Lorelai, Gilmore Girls? And I'm like, yeah, Gilmore Girls. And she was so funny. The entire session, we just talked about Gilmore Girls. She is a super fan as well. Her name is McKenna. And she absolutely...

loves the show like I do. And that I think is the biggest pieces in everyday life, just connecting with people over this show. And honestly, my daughter's name has been a big piece of it. I mean, we, anytime we're out and about, that's the first question. Did you get a name from Gilmore girls? Of course. Like where else?

I mean, you know, I guess gentlemen prefer blondes. You could have got it from there, Marilyn Monroe, but.

Ah, that, oh, so that was her name in gentlemen. Marilyn Monroe was called Lorelei in that film.

Yes, she was. That was, I guess, which I think is referenced in Gilmore Girls. That movie is referenced at some point in the show.

Right.

So that's an ASP question at some point. Is that where you got the name?

So is there anything as a super fan that you would like to ask me or want to know?

So I guess just in the midst of you filming this, because I feel like a lot of times in our lives, right, when we're in the middle of something, we don't realize what we are a part of. Did you realize how special this was? Did you have any clue that 26 years later, it's probably bigger than it's ever been, I would assume, but.

No, during, I mean, yeah, I knew it was special in that, you know, we were making a very funny and a very smart show that had all of the feels and connectors that, you know, you just spoke about for, for, for people, very relatable characters, very. And the thing I found, well, there's a lot of things that are unique about it, but it's, but it's, it's very, very difficult to, to create so many distinctive characters that are nothing alike, but they're sort of the same right underneath it, all their community.

I mean, you've got a Maury, a Babette, a Miss Patty, a Taylor. I mean, these are just those four. alone. And they're throwing a Kirk. And you've got a wacky, zany collection of folks that are just so lovable and endearing. And then you throw that great writing at them. You know, I knew it was unique. Nobody could have predicted its longevity.

Absolutely.

For its impact on the culture. But yeah, I think we all knew how special this was because it was a collection of people that were, I mean, in our own right, I think to a person in that cast could have had our own show or had been on shows for a long time. We were just getting overlooked, overlooked, overlooked.

And then, you know, because maybe we were we looked or acted a certain way and it just didn't quite fit into the major network kind of assembly line of shows that they had, procedurals and medical dramas and lawyer-doctor shows and this kind of a thing, cops, you know, because that's really what the big networks produce. And finally, we found the right fit with the right people at the right time. So, I think we were all just so ready to be on a show because we had all collectively been rejected over and over again. Some of us were getting some traction and getting some good stuff.

You know, most people were working in little stuff and doing quality work, but not getting recognized. So I think, I think, I think Amy really has a great eye for casting. Absolutely. And wanted to put together, um, you know, a bunch of people that were perfect for their roles and not necessarily had name value, what networks and studios always want first and foremost. But I think, you know, the uniqueness of this is that we had a showrunner that fought for every one of us because it wasn't easy getting on that show for me. I was cast as a guest star on the pilot. And I guess the pilot shoot was my my final audition to see if it was going to work with Lauren. Uh, and then we still had to fight to get a deal.

Which is crazy because the chemistry is there immediately. I mean, I couldn't imagine some, I mean, obviously I know no ins and outs of studios, but I can't imagine watching that and being like, we're not a hundred percent sold. That's crazy.

Well, they offered two episodes and then they offered four. We turned them down much to my chagrin, but, uh, Uh, my manager believed that, uh, the chemistry was so strong and, and that, that she, she made, uh, she told Gavin Pallone to go get me a deal and he did.

Well, so we all have your manager to thank is what I'm hearing.

Yes, we, we, her name, her name is Audrey Kahn and I don't know that she's in the business anymore, but, um, yeah, she, she represented me, uh, like, like, like an actor should be represented. Really, really fought and fought hard to get me that role. And then there was a nice lunch. She didn't tell me that I had a deal. She invited me to lunch and handed me a manila envelope and I opened it and there was a six-year deal.

Life-changing moment right there. Absolutely. What else do you want to know? Oh, gosh. I do this at conventions. I like to do a Q & A.

Well, my husband would want me to ask you baseball questions, but I really don't have any baseball questions. I should have been like, tell me exactly what you want to ask. So he's a big Braves fan. And obviously you were on the farm Braves team. Is that right?

I started in low A and by the time I got to triple A, They traded me.

Got it. Well, I will say I did. So we do do baseball game. Our goal is to see all the stadiums. It's not really my goal, but I tag along. And Lorelei does have a custom Patterson jersey, Braves jersey that we got made for her.

Oh, that's great.

That she has worn to games because I was like, look, if I'm going to these games, we have to have a connection here. So it's going to be Gilmore Girls.

Oh, that's fantastic. Braves are a great organization.

Yes, yes. He is a diehard.

I was heartbroken when they told me I'd been traded. I really took it hard. That really was like a family to me. I wasn't there that long. But it's two plus years. I was in my third season, beginning of the season. We'd started the 82 season on the road. And then we came back to Richmond for the home opener.

And that's when they told me that I was traded. And I packed up and left and drove to Columbus, Ohio. So it was a tough, it was a tough night. That was a tough night.

I mean, I could be mad at them, but then I wouldn't have gotten Luke Danes.

That's probably, probably true. Probably. Yeah. Anyway, what else, what else? Any other questions? I don't.

I mean, probably when I get off of this, I'm going to be like, that was the question I should have asked. But right now I don't have any. I'm just thank you guys for having me on. This was awesome. I really enjoyed getting to have this conversation and talk about We've Got Us a Pippi Virgin.

Any plans to come out to Burbank for holiday for Gilmore girls holidays?

It is my dream to get to come out there. Oh my gosh. It actually starts on my birthday this year, December 12th. So I, yeah, I have, um, already sent my husband the, the, the information. I'm like, you know, this would be great. So I don't know. We'll see that it is high on my list.

Well, gosh, if you're out there, maybe we need to book you for one of the podcasts we're doing. Uh, Let me tell everybody a little bit about what we're doing this year. As far as I'm concerned, my participation is we're going to do a podcast every single day from December 12th to January 3rd. Christmas is off, by the way. But every single day at the Stephen J.

Ross Theater, which is perhaps the nicest theater in America. Super high-tech, beautiful theater. It's Just a wonderful place. So we're going to do a podcast from there every day, I think at 1230 or one o'clock. And we'll have special guests and maybe we're going to have Hallie on if she comes out there. And also fans are going to be able to get photo ops with me. And I'm also going to judge the costume contest every day.

I think that's at about three or three thirty. And then I'll just be hanging out and walking around and making cold brews for people like I did the last couple of years, which is so much fun. And maybe even this, uh, hit the secret bar at the end of the day and have a, have a cocktail with the fans. So it's really a joyous time, uh, having six 6,500 super fans all in one place. It's the energy is palpable. It's, it's exciting to be, to be swimming around in it. And, uh, Everybody's having a blast.

There's also, they build out my apartment, Luke's apartment in Stars Hollow High School, which is where the original set was. So they're going to be able to tour through that. They're going to have a Chilton. They're rebuilding parts of Chilton School and fans will be able to go have that experience. I mean, it's bigger and better than it has ever been. So anyway, we'd love to see you out there, Haley. And thanks for coming on. Much appreciated.

Of course. Thanks for having me.

Yeah.

Hopefully I will, you know, see you at the Gilmore Girls WB.

All right. Well, if you're coming out, let us know. Okay. Absolutely. Will do. All right. All the best. Take care. Bye. Hey, everybody, don't forget, follow us on Instagram at I Am All In Podcast and email us at gilmore at iheartradio.com.

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