IAAI Town Meeting: Why Does Lorelai Need to Be Friends with Dean? (Season 5 E5 “We Got Us a Pippi Virgin”)

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0:29 Hello! Hi, today we're going to be talking about Season 5, Episode 5, We Got Us a Pippi Virgin, which aired on October 19th, 2004. And the more I say that, the funnier the title is.

0:44 Uh, yeah.

0:45 Again, I don't like this episode either.

0:47 Yeah, you know, so Richard and Emily I actually liked in this episode. The rest of it.

0:53 I honestly, I mean, besides like the panic room... I don't really care for their storyline either.

1:01 Well, I just, I liked the end of it where Richard came back in and they, like he told her about the barbershop quartet and you know, they ended on a nice note. She for once wasn't like ripping his head off. So I thought it was a nice little way to, you know, get them speaking to each other at the end. But yeah, the rest of it, the bop it. Oh my gosh. I couldn't deal.

1:28 All of it.

1:30 Yeah.

1:31 It was like from the popcorn moment in there. I thought Kirk making out with his girlfriend was kind of funny, though.

1:37 Yeah, it was.

1:38 But just all of it. Also, why is Lorelai trying to be friends with Dean? I guess that's the root of it for me. Why do you need to be friends with Dean?

1:47 Yeah. That was a little strange. All of it, to me, it was like they were just grasping at straws trying to get back to where they were. And I think that's what Lorelai was doing. Cause she's like, Oh, remember we used to have so much fun. And then Rory was doing the same thing at the end when she was in the car and she was talking to Dean on the street and, and they're like, Oh yeah, it was just like old times. Like, like they're trying to force it.

2:18 So you think it's a parallel in the sense of like Rory's trying to find that what they had. And then now Lorelai is trying to find the same thing.

2:26 I mean, I think they just all are. I think that's what Dean is trying to do, too. Like they're all trying to, you know, get they're all talking about how, oh, yeah, this is like how it used to be. But you can't really ever go back to how things used to be. And so it just ends up being like awkward. And then Luke wasn't helping at all. Like, I don't know what the deal was.

2:48 But why do we need to go on a double date with Luke? Like, that is my question. What is the point? Like, we didn't need to do that.

2:55 Right. We didn't need to. It was a bad idea. Everybody kept saying it was a bad idea, except Lorelai.

3:01 Yeah.

3:03 So, yeah, I don't know.

3:05 Just... Well, and just, I know we're going back to last week's episode, but it kind of trickles all together. But last week, Dean basically said he doesn't want the town to know they're, like, parading their relationship. And then, obviously, they kiss at the end. Well, kind of the end at the... election party whatever it was and now I'm just like are we now just forgetting what happened with Lindsay like it's just it's just weird to me like it's yeah I and then hanging out at Kyle well technically Dean moved in with Kyle so there's that part.

3:43 And that was another thing like Kyle was all like I don't know he's bragging about all these women that you know he's having relations with, and he's going to do back to back. Like, I don't know. That was just the whole thing. I just was.

4:01 And then, and then Lane calling Rory. And I was like, this is, I just, I did not like the episode and I didn't care for it.

4:09 Yeah, exactly. And we've got more Lane and Zach. We talked about Zach last time, how he's just, you know, a whiny toddler. Yeah.

4:18 And that's it.

4:19 Yeah, same thing. Like he's just, he's sullen and moody. And then even when he comes into the diner and he was, even then he was still being a jerk when he's talking about how, you know, he takes time to process things or whatever, but he's still like yelling at her. I don't know. I'm over it.

4:39 Zach throughout the course of the show is just always naggy and complaining. Even once, spoiler alert, but not really. Once they have kids, he's still annoying.

4:48 Yeah. He gets a little bit better, but not much. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I like him more towards the end than I do right now. But he's still like... I'll keep saying it until it comes true. I wish Lane had somebody else. Like, I don't believe her and Zach together.

5:10 I'm like, can we just not talk about this storyline? It's just so annoying. All of it. The Rory and Dean, everyone.

5:17 I don't really have... I mean... There were funny parts. Like the panic room was funny.

5:22 The panic room was really funny. And then when she's like, what's the code? It's like one, one, one, one, one, one. Like that was actually very funny.

5:29 That was funny. And also in the opening when they're in the dragonfly kitchen and Lorelai at the end of the scene when Lorelai is trying to get Jackson to sign that piece of paper for her parking spaces. And then Suki after Jackson leaves because he refused to sign it, he leaves. Suki says, oh, I'll forge that for you.

5:45 And she takes it and walks off.

5:48 Also, that tomato definitely looked like blood.

5:50 It did. But how did he get, like, tomato, like, under his arm? I don't know.

5:56 Unless he was, like, holding, like, a basket or something.

5:58 Yeah, probably.

6:00 I like how they were like, oh, he only has two dress shirts. Like, all right, well, you're the mayor now, so you got to dress up a little more.

6:05 Right, exactly. That was kind of fun, like, trying to... see him fit into that new role. And, you know, he wasn't, it's just like crazy busy and everybody's calling him and his conversation with Mrs. Cassini was funny. So there were some funny moments, but overall, I'm just like, just everybody was trying too hard.

6:25 Yeah. This might be a little bit of a hot take. I thought the Pippi Longstocking was like three seasons too late in being funny. I think it would have been funny when she was still in high school. I think it just seems childish right now.

6:39 Yeah.

6:40 Yeah. Like it was funny. Don't get me wrong, but I'm like, all right, this is like more of a season two type thing.

6:45 Yeah.

6:46 Which I think they didn't, they watch it with Dean and like, uh, no, they weren't mentioned before.

6:52 They watched Willy Wonka.

6:53 They may know they watch Willy Wonka like every four, four episodes.

6:58 Yeah. Speaking of childhood movies, although I love that movie and I will stop whatever I'm doing. If I see it on TV. Yeah. Oh yeah.

7:06 The original is a classic. Did you see this show? Sorry to derail. This show on Netflix, the Willy Wonka competition show?

7:14 No.

7:15 I turned it on TV the other night just because I was like, oh, well, I might as well just put it on the background. They have competitions in the chocolate factory. And in the first episode, everyone who is invited gets a golden ticket. Very odd competition show. But anyway.

7:30 I'm going to have to look for that. Yeah.

7:32 I mean, you'll probably get through the first episode and be like, eh, all right, whatever. Yeah.

7:36 Yeah.

7:36 By the way, I did see a clown pillow this episode.

7:39 Yes. I was getting worried because we haven't seen it yet in season five. And so I was starting to get worried. Like, is this like, are we never going to see it again?

7:48 I thought we were going to see it in the, in the scene where she was getting the code for the panic room. And then I thought it was a terrible placement to put it in the middle of like the fight scene at the house. Like with the drop it, I was like, really, we're going to throw the, we're going to throw the clown in like this most intense scene. Yeah.

8:06 Yeah, I actually, I was expecting to see it in the last episode because there's a scene where Rory, after she and Dean, you know, have their fight in the car when they were making out and she comes home to Lorelai's house. I thought we were going to see it in that scene and we didn't.

8:20 I thought so too. And then I was like, maybe there was a corner and I didn't see it and Suzanne caught it.

8:24 Yeah, I didn't see it in the last episode, but I'm glad we got it in this episode. But yeah, I didn't like it being in the Bop-It scene because I think it deserves, you know, a place of honor.

8:35 Yeah. Also, when does more Logan come into the picture? Because I'm over this Dean stuff.

8:42 In the next episode, I think. I think the next episode is when she finds out about the Life and Death Brigade and she starts investigating.

8:50 Oh, see, my issue right now is we're five episodes in and it is an annoying season so far.

8:56 It has been a little rocky. The Luke and Lorelai stuff has been good except, like, take out the Boppet scene.

9:03 But.

9:05 Other than the Luke and Lorelei stuff, the rest of it is like, I don't really need this.

9:09 Yeah. I think besides that, maybe a couple town things have been entertaining.

9:13 Yeah.

9:14 Again, I did enjoy... The one part I did enjoy was the movie theater scene because of Kirk. I think Kirk made it funny. Like, oh, the first 24 minutes of this movie burned. What else do you want to watch? It's like, oh, Pippi Longstocking's an op-ed. And then the fact that he... is making out with his girlfriend and then gets up to make popcorn. Like stuff like that's just funny to me. Yeah. But yeah, the rest of it's like.

9:38 I mean, Kirk never disappoints. I can't think of a Kirk scene that I don't like. Like he just is always good.

9:45 Also, was this the episode with the printing press or was that last episode?

9:51 That was the last episode.

9:52 Okay. Well, I was going to say, like, I don't remember if it was in the previously on they do before in this one or the last one but it showed Marty about like what are Dean and Rory yeah I was in a lot within the last two episodes I was expecting to see Marty Yeah, I know.

10:10 We got a bunch of Marty in like the first couple episodes. And now we haven't seen him for like two or three episodes. Because that was that was Asher's wake when he was asking her about her boyfriend.

10:20 Oh, and she left to go to Dean.

10:22 Yes.

10:22 Yeah.

10:23 So that was like episode three.

10:26 I think so.

10:28 Yeah, the wake was in episode three. Yeah. So it's been a couple episodes since we saw Marty.

10:33 But I just thought because they used the like previously on and use Marty, I thought we're going to get him somehow. But I mean, I don't think Marty really, obviously he comes back later in the show, but I don't think we really get him much. I'm like, again, lost cause. It should have been Marty really trying.

10:49 Yeah. Yeah. We still have that scene. And I can't remember if it's the next episode or the one after where they go to the Chinese restaurant and Marty doesn't have any money.

10:58 Oh, that, Oh, yeah. Because then Logan's there. I remember.

11:03 Right. Yeah. So we've got that coming up. Although that's not that's not for a while because.

11:08 Rory really did Marty dirty this entire series. I know.

11:12 And then they turned him into a real creep in season seven. It was like.

11:16 So I'm saying his character went from it starts out by him naked in the hallway. So you think some like frat guy who's really like just.

11:24 You know, getting drunk.

11:25 So then he's trying to be nice to then he's just known as a server at Logan's birthday. It's now some creep at the end justice for again, justice for Marty.

11:35 I know poor Marty or Marty. I didn't have a couple call outs in this one. So one is, and I, I, I mentioned this every time I see it because we see it a lot. So you've probably heard me say this before, but the black, white and red movie theater, we just saw in the last episode as Dean's parents house. Oh, so if you look at the stairs, that's the giveaway.

12:11 And it's also the, The Cheshire Cat that they went to in season one on the road trip to Harvard. They just repaint it and reuse it.

12:23 I just realized I had something to say about Dean's house last week and I forgot. So I'm going to say it here.

12:29 Okay, do it.

12:29 They mentioned, I think like Roy like compliments the plant. Why is there a whole tree in the living room? It was the biggest plant I've ever seen for a living room. It was like literally would hit the ceiling. You just reminded me because you said, oh, it was the living room or whatever. And I'm like, oh my God, I forgot to mention this last week.

12:50 Yes.

12:51 Yeah. I just have to call that out.

12:52 And it was like right in the walkway too.

12:54 And she compliments it.

12:56 Yeah.

12:57 Was it a fern? She's like, oh, it's a nice fern or something.

12:59 Yeah. It was a ficus. It made me think of that episode. And I don't even remember what episode it was, but there was some episode where Zach was yelling at Brian and he goes, stop calling plants by their real names. And that scene made me think of that.

13:13 Yeah. Oh my God. All right. But to jump back to this episode, I didn't realize that, that also nice throwback to the Cheshire cat.

13:21 Yeah. And then we're going to see it again in season seven. It's the, it's the printing house that Jess works at. Like they keep just reusing the same room over and over again.

13:32 Huh? I mean, they dress it up differently. So I guess unless, unless you know the landscape.

13:38 I'm going to try. So they used that location, um, The Warner Brothers used it for trivia at Holidays Made Here last year. So I'm going to see if I can get some pictures, maybe like on preview day before there's a bunch of people in there.

13:55 But speaking of, it's coming back. So I know it's not even Holidays Made Here.

14:00 It's Gilmore Girls Holiday now, which is a better name for it.

14:04 Yeah, I was gonna say everyone's like, oh, I'm going to. It should really be called Stars Hollow.

14:08 I know. It really should. I mean, Holidays Made Here made sense when they started it because Warner Brothers tag, the studio tour tagline was Hollywood Made Here. So it made sense. Holidays Made Here. And then they also did Horror Made Here. So yeah, it made sense at the time. But now it's like specifically Gilmore's.

14:27 Yeah. Gilmore Girls Holidays.

14:29 Period. Gilmore Girls Holidays.

14:30 So that's a good name.

14:32 But one other thing I noticed in this episode that I actually hadn't noticed on prior watches is the very, very last scene when Rory is driving in her little old weird Prius and then she sees Dean and she pulls up to the sidewalk and they're like talking through the car window. When she pulls it up and stops, you can see there's a tape mark on the curb where the car is supposed to stop. It's like, You can't miss it.

15:00 I don't know how it happens. Don't they usually, for those cars, don't they usually have someone pulling it? Like, isn't it attached to, like....

15:07 I would think it depends on the angle. Like, an angle like that where they show her driving up.

15:11 Oh, true.

15:13 You would see, like, a rope or a cable or whatever.

15:16 True, true, true. Yeah, but sometimes when it's, like, they're driving, like, for example, the road trip and they're driving, it's usually just, like, on something and it's, like, moving. Yeah.

15:25 Yeah. Yeah, but this one she just rolls up and stops, but you can see that.

15:30 What color is it?

15:31 It was either red or yellow. I can't remember, but it was really obvious. I'm like, how did I never notice this before?

15:37 I don't know if you do this, but now when I'm watching the show, sometimes the dialogue goes right over my head and I'm just scanning the screen to see what I can find. I'm like, I don't really know what's being said. Yeah.

15:50 Well, you get to the point where you already know what's being said, so you stop paying attention.

15:55 Yeah. Oh, did you have anything else?

15:59 Nope, that was it. Yeah, not a favorite episode of mine.

16:05 No, between, again, I just need Dean to leave. Just Dean, go away, please.

16:10 I know, I know. And Luke just needs to get over it.

16:15 It's not his kids. Sorry. It's not. Right. I understand why he was really passionate about Jess because that was left to be his responsibility. But this is a little different.

16:23 Yeah. And I get it when Lorelai, when he was asking Lorelai, he's like, so you think this is okay? And she's like, I just need, I just need it to work. Like she's like so over it. She's like, I just need something to just be okay.

16:36 Yeah. All right. Well, next week we're gonna be watching season five, episode six, Norman Mailer. I'm pregnant. More like Norman Mailer, I am pregnant. See you then.

16:49 Meeting adjourned.

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