I Am All In…Again: It’s Always Been There Luke!! (Season 4 E20 “Luke Can See Her Face”)

I am all in.

Again!

More, more, more. I want to kiss you more. More, more, more. I want to kiss you more. I Am All In, again, with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast. Hey, everybody. Scott Patterson, iAmAllIn Podcast, 111 Productions, iHeartRadio Media. iHeartPodcast.com. We have a very special recap of Season 4, Episode 20. We have a very special recap here for Season 4, Episode 20.

Luke can see her face with a very special guest. She needs no introduction. I've been trying to get to her for years. I understand she works with Scott Patterson. I know Scott, and I wanted to get to Suzanne. It's like a dream come true. I can't believe it. Suzanne French is here once again.

Hello.

Hello. And hello, Suzanne. Thank you again. I know how busy you are with your podcasting schedule and, and your, your new responsibilities at Scotty pieces, big, big mug coffee. You're the new, uh, newly crowned COO. Only took you 10 years to get there, but man, you've arrived. You've really arrived. So thank you again for taking the time. Absolutely.

This is a transformative episode for Luke Danes after he, uh, listens and reads the self-help tapes. Liv reveals she's getting married in a week to TJ, so Jess comes back to town after Luke convinces them to attend the wedding. The dragonfly inn is almost ready to open, and Lorelai is stressing out. Meanwhile, marriage troubles brewing between Lindsay and Dean, directed by Matthew Diamond, written by Amy Sherman Palladino and Dan Palladino. We're getting tag-teamed here by the two greats. Overall, what'd you think, Suzanne?

This is absolutely one of my favorite episodes. And so I am so excited to get to discuss it with you because it, as you just said, it is such a transformative episode for Luke. Like this is so important in his arc. And I, you know, Amy and Dan were firing on all cylinders when they put this one together.

And it's a great episode. So I'm looking forward to digging into it.

All right. Well, we start out with Lorelei's stress about breaking up with Jason. There's a cat, a lone cat sitting on Lorelei's porch, just staring at her. And again, this is the quality of a film by Kirk almost. It's this sort of abstract, very artistic sensibility, you know, sort of calling back great moments from old films. And there's just some weird cat. And somehow the paladinos know what's funny and that's funny. Yes.

And it was a good camera angle, like almost from the cat's point of view, like the camera was behind the cat. It was, yeah, it was great.

So that, that was a great, that was one of the better opening bits that they've, they've ever shot. And, and Lorelai keeps waking up in the middle of the night and leaving messages. She, she shows up to Luke's early because she drank all the coffee in the house and invites him. to tour the Inn at 5 AM.

Kirk hilariously walks in and asks for the table that she is resting her head on. Another bizarre scenario involving Kirk and just the quirky, constant, rapid fire humor that comes from this show. And I had an experience yesterday, Suzanne. It's my son's orientation yesterday in middle school. I dropped them off and then when I went to pick them up at 12, you know, the eighth grade girls that were tasked to sort of run this whole thing and show everybody their lockers and show everybody the campus and tell everybody what life was like at that particular middle school.

One of them recognized me and then the word spread. And so it basically turned into a mini con. It's like selfie city. And they were delightful. And I came home and I said, you're not going to believe what just happened. I don't know why I believe it, but because it happens a lot, but middle school girls are obsessed with this show.

Yes.

12, 13, 14 year old girls are obsessed with this show because there, there doesn't seem to be anything on that they can relate to, or is this smart? And it, and it, and it is the, this show demands your attention. It grabs you with the humor and, And it won't let go. Because we're discussing it at dinner. It's like, why are these girls at this age? And my wife was saying that it's because there's not a lot out there for them. So they go back and they hear about this show and it's just like, you know, the word spreads like wildfire and everybody's watching it.

Yeah. And these girls probably have been watching it since they were infants because their moms watched it. Right, right. They have, you know, grown up with Luke and Lorelei, you know, like my generation grew up with the Cunningham family. You know, like it's just been ingrained in their childhood since the beginning, I'm sure.

Yeah. All right. Now, another hilarious scene. Suki introduces Shell, the poultry supplier, to Lorelei, trying to set them up. He's a little irritated that Luke's there because, you know, he's just going to gum up the works and sabotage her plan somehow just by being there. So Lorelai pretends, because she's not interested in Chell, that Luke is her special friend, quote unquote, and puts his arm around her waist to get rid of this guy. Another hilarious moment.

This is when we really love this couple. This is when we see them as a couple. And so we get a glimpse into what their hilarious home life would be like. Yes. Anyway, Luke and Lorelei confide in each other about their failed relationships. And she mentioned she'll have to get some Dr. Phil books to recover from it.

And this prompts Luke to do what? Go get some, go get some books. He doesn't, he doesn't want to show Andrew the covers. He'll just give him a hundred. He's smart to do that. It's a small town. Everybody would know, right? Yes. Yes. So Lindsay and Dean are, are fighting at the end. That was a pretty, that was a pretty brutal fight, wasn't it?

Yeah, I was, you know, it was a public place and they knew they could be overheard, but you know, I don't know. They're still so young. They probably weren't, you know, thinking about decorum or anything like that.

Did she, did she say that she was going to go out with another guy that night?

She was going out with another couple. So it was supposed to be like a double date, I guess, like, their other paired up friends. And so it was going to be the four of them. And she decided to go out with them without Dean. So it would be the three of them. So she wasn't going with a guy like on a date, but it was, you know, a guy that was dating her other friend.

Yeah. Well, let's dive into this Luke and Lorelai stuff a little bit. Lorelai's stressing about the end, but Luke keeps reassuring her she can do it. And it's just what she needs to hear. Was, was Lorelai being too nitpicky with Suki and Michelle? about the opening?

I don't think so. I think it's... They're so close to the finish line, and they want everything to be perfect, and Suki and Michelle, well, especially Suki, are really in with Lorelai on this whole thing. They're sharing the dream, and so they understand the importance of you want everything to be as perfect as possible. I think Lorelai was kind of... you know, maybe overly obsessed with the tiny little details of everything. And she needed to like step back and look at the big picture. But I think in that moment, it makes sense because you're just, it's, you know, the 11th hour and you're trying to get everything done, you know, before all your guests are going to come in. So, you know, I, I, I think

she was right to kind of step back when it was pointed out to her, but you know, I think it was just natural for her to, to be nitpicky at that time, trying to get it right.

Right. Right. Now we get into the sleeping with the zucchini stuff, which was another hilarious scene, right? When Suki described it to Lorelai and she says, wait a minute, I'm sorry, what did you really, you know, she just kept, she goes, good stuff, great writing, great acting. Suki and Michelle getting ready for the opening. Suki tells Lorelai, Jackson's sleeping with the zucchini. So they head to the patch.

At the patch, Lorelai apologizes for being nutty about the opening and asks everyone to drop something off. their to-do list. And they all stay the night with the zucchini. And the next morning, what happens? Luke shows up and asks Lorelai to Liz's wedding. And she says, yes. And you know, the smile, that smile that Lorelai gave At the very end of that scene, when she looked back, it's the first time she tipped her mitt about how she felt because she really played that beautifully throughout that whole scene. Like, yeah, sure.

No big deal. We're just friends. Yeah, whatever. Yeah. And she knew what was going on. Do you think she knew what was going on?

I think she, she, I don't think she fully realized it. I think that she knows in the back of her mind that there's something that going on and now she's single and he's single and maybe it's like starting to bubble to the surface a little bit I don't think she has fully realized yet you know the potential that's here I think initially she was thinking yeah it would be good to take a break from all of this insanity because you know we all just had the conversation in the zucchini that we're all gonna take it easy for a little bit So I think at first she is thinking that, that we're just going to go relax for a couple hours as friends and, you know, have fun at this, at this party. But, but as he's

walking away and she's like, Hmm, you know, she is starting to like, the wheels are starting to turn. Like she is starting to give it some more thought.

Yeah. She caught how uncomfortable and awkward he was. Yeah. All that stuff. The all shucks things. Yeah.

That was cute. Now, I don't know if you remember shooting that scene, but it looked accidental that you bumped into the truck. Was that intentional or was that an accident?

No, that was intentional. Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

You did a very good job of making it look accidental.

Thank you. I try. So anyway, great, great, great scene. Yeah. I think it's a scene the fans have been waiting for for a long time. Like finally it's coming and how appropriate it was to, and how tidy it is that it's his sister's wedding and that it's a wedding. Right. Right.

It's romantic.

Right. Right. Their first official date.

Yes.

Sort of still friends, but kind of a date sort of thing is to a wedding.

Right, right. And as a fan, like, you're starting to get excited about it because now all the obstacles are clear, right? We got Jason out of the picture. We got Nicole out of the picture. There's nothing stopping these two now, and they're going to have this romantic togetherness happening. And so, like, as a fan, you're like, okay, like, it's really getting going now.

Right. But as we know, the Palladinos... Are going to throw obstacles at us. Oh, yeah.

They take you right to the edge and then yank you back again.

Yeah. Let's get into a little Rory and Paris. Rory's getting out of class. Paris walks in to talk to Asher. And she tells her Asher asked her to go to Oxford with him for the summer. That's a big deal. Rory gets panicked. Phone call from Paris at the hospital. She meets up with her and she's freaking out. Asher.

had angina. And I think one of the funniest lines to ever come out of Paris's mouth is how skeeved out she was that this older guy just sort of like, he just, he just went limp and as he was like, his body just leaned on me. You could just see that. Yeah.

And when she described him laying in the hospital bed and she says, it's like he was looking at God.

The visual of him just leaning on her like he was passing out. Like, what is this? Why does a 19-year-old girl have to deal with that? Right. Just funny stuff. He's going to be fine, but she realizes how old he is and that he's ready to have the talk about it. Okay. That was some hilarious stuff. Yeah. Her eyes opening up, realizing what the hell she is. As, as Asher's getting ready to leave the hospital, he tells Paris if she wants to, and you know, he's no dummy.

He can, he can vibe out the situation. He intuitively knows that, you know, that wasn't a good look for him.

Yeah. Yeah.

And so he, he, I wonder if this happens every year with each co-ed.

Yeah, he has some health crisis and they're like, oh my gosh, he's old.

He tuckers his body out from all the extracurricular activity with the co-eds. And he just leans into them every year. And when the daughter showed up, it didn't seem like she was all that surprised, like she'd done it before. Yeah. She didn't seem too concerned. It was like, oh, you know, dad is up to his old tricks with another girl. Yeah.

And now she sees two girls in the waiting room. Right. Exactly. Yeah.

So that, yeah, that was his granddaughter.

Her granddaughter.

And it was, it was kind of an awkward scene because Rory thought it was like another old girlfriend showing up.

And the old girlfriend thought Rory was a current girlfriend.

Yeah, exactly.

So she's like, now he's got two girls. Like you two girls put my grandfather in the hospital.

We're all the same age.

Like, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

The way she was just kind of looking at them like it was just a normal thing was funny.

Oh, God. Anyway, Asher wants to reassess the relationship. And then Paris changes her tune.

Yeah.

Because she got dumped. He was trying to dump her. And, you know, I guess that triggered her.

That was kind of a weird thing because... The way that they phrased it, he was telling... It was almost like he was trying to give her an out.

Oh, absolutely.

To reassess this, I would understand that. But it also could be read as like he was trying to cut her loose and make it seem like it was her idea.

The top ten... Things to turn on your lady. I bet you one of them isn't, you know, go limp and then just sort of lean on.

Yeah, that's probably not on the list of articles or on the list of the bullet points.

In the GQ article. All right. Fun fact here. All right. Michael York actually did attend Oxford where he studied English literature and graduated in 1964.

Wow.

That's very cool. Yeah. Isn't that great? Paris has been so confident. Professor Fleming until he went limp, but ultimately decides to stay with him. So Suzanne, why do you think she changed her mind so quickly after a chat with Rory?

Well, I don't know. I think when you see somebody in the hospital, they look and they look frail. Like, I don't know. It, having worked in hospitals for a long time, people look different when you put them in a hospital gown. And I think that she was, she kind of articulated her thought very well. Like she's like, what am I doing here? I should be out partying with my friends, but I'm hanging out with this old guy.

So I think she started to get in her own head about it. But then once he was, you know, he's up out of bed and he's dressed and he's ready to leave and he's like, hey, everything's fine. Then all of a sudden everything went back to the way it was. And she's like, okay, maybe I was just being silly. Like, why was I worried about that? He does want to be with me. I want to be with him. I think it just, everything kind of just snapped back into its normal mode when she realized, you know, okay, he's not really like, he's not that ill.

Right. Kara said, I'm 19. I should be rollicking with people. And then Rory says, yeah, you can't rollick with him. Plus he's British or something.

I don't think he ever rollicked.

I don't think he ever rollicked. He's British.

Yeah.

Paladinos. Boom. Okay. Just so great. Just such. You're right. This is a really.

It was great in that scene.

Yeah. Let's do the self-help. Um, But wait a minute, wait a minute. You know, Alexis was superb. Her exit from that scene was fantastically funny. Yeah. She handled that so gracefully and so beautifully. And with her comedy chops really developed over time. I mean, really, really, that's hard to pull off. Yeah. Yeah.

The timing was great in that scene.

Just fantastic. All right. Luke doing self-help. Luke- Luke's at the bookstore. He doesn't want Andrew to see we talked about this. And he goes home and starts playing the tapes. And it's about love. The tapes read aloud. If I crave love, I deserve love. So Luke is, you know, take us through this scene. Why do you think this was so special for the fans? You know, so I.

Was so proud of Luke in this moment because Luke is very stoic. He's very, like, I've said this about him before, he's the train on the track. There's only going to be one direction he can go, and he's just going to, you know, just keep moving along. But now he's at a point in his life where, you know, he had this failed relationship, I have to put it in air quotes, with Nicole. And he's realizing that he may have played a role in that. which I think was huge for him. He's not blaming anybody else. He's not blaming, you know, Nicole, even though, you know, she cheated on him or whatever. He is realizing that maybe he has some own internal issues. work to do and so for him to do something like buying a self-help

book is huge like that isn't something that he would have done earlier in the show and so he's now had this realization that you know if he wants to have a relationship like a meaningful relationship that will be stable and enduring he he needs to work on himself first. And this was the first step in that. So I was super proud of him for doing that because it's very unlike what we've seen from Luke so far. And it was a huge moment in his, in his character development.

So we're seeing that soft underbelly side.

Who suggested Luke do this? Was it a sister? Do you have a feeling that somebody told him to do this? Recommended he do this? Or did he just do it of his own volition?

I think he came to the realization on his own. Yeah, I don't know. I think it was like I was saying earlier about how the obstacles have been cleared. And I think he's thinking in the back of his mind that he wants love. And probably subconsciously he knows it's Lorelai, but he doesn't consciously know it yet. So I think he came to that on his own.

You know what's so great about that? The audience knows it. They're screaming at the TV screen. But these two knuckleheads just wake up and realize it. Yes. Because it's obvious to us, right? It's not obvious to them. Yes. Because they're just living their lives in their little town. They don't want to muck up the friendship and all that.

But it really is quite obvious, isn't it? No matter what she does or who she dates or who he marries, who he dates, whatever, it's obvious. to everyone that they need to be together. What a difficult balancing act for Amy and Dan, right? To keep that momentum going in every single episode, yet still throw all of these, still throw life at both of them. And I think that's really how they solve it. Just throw life at both of them. Let them be on their, they're on separate paths.

Life is going to come at them, men, women, They're going to date them. They're going to marry them. Whatever they're going to do. But that momentum, those key scenes, that's why the chemistry had to be so strong. Without that, you can't tell the story. Right.

Because they've been hinting at it since the pilot. Like in the very first episode, there's that time when Lorelai pauses outside the diner and looks at Luke in a meaningful way. And then she turns to Rory and says, what do you think of Luke? And Rory immediately is like, no, you can't date Luke. And so they started that. That was the very first episode. And so they've been, they started the momentum then and then they've been maintaining it.

But you're right. They have to throw in obstacles like Jess coming to town and, you know, Christopher and all these other, all these other things to prevent them from getting together too soon. But then you still have to maintain the visit, the, the visitor, the viewer's interest in, in the series.

The visitor would be the alien viewers, right? From outer space that get hooked on the show. So that's going to be, that's going to be the next level of, you know, fandom. I'm going to get taken in the middle of the night by little blue man. I'll be on a spaceship. Yeah. Dallas about Gilmore Girls. Did you, you know, you ever think of Gilmore Girls as like 154 self-help books? You know what I'm saying? You know, the entire show. It is. Because it's so therapeutic in a lot of ways, even medicinal. And people watch the show obsessively all day. They need to have it on. Yeah.

So it really is like, It's super comfort and super.

It totally is. It's free therapy.

This is a tome of self-help chapters. 154 of them plus four more. I don't know how self-healthy those were, but they were pretty good. Anyway, interesting way to look at it.

Yeah, I agree. And it gives you hope. Like when you're kind of down in the dumps about whatever is bothering you in your life, it's like the small town charm and it just gives you hope that, okay, maybe... Maybe it's not all futile. Maybe there is something good going on.

All right. So now Liz and TJ run over to Luke, tell him they're engaged. This is a great scene. So many great scenes. Anything with TJ in it, right? Yeah. You know it's going to be fun. And says they're getting married next week. And TJ asks Luke if he wants to be the best man and go to the bachelor party. He says yes, yes. I love the fact that TJ said to him, I know you don't, you don't like me. Yeah. I don't care because I'm going to make you like me because we're going to be related.

And I'm a positive guy and I know what I am, but I also know who I am. So even you Luke Danes are not going to stay in your, you know, you're anti TJ mode for long. Right. I like that attitude. Anyway. And then Liz mentions Jess isn't coming to the wedding. That pisses Luke off. So he goes to do his dumpy apartment. I guess he's living in New York or something. Right. Yeah.

Who is Luke drive down or hop on a bus? What did he do? He drive his pickup truck down. I don't know.

He probably drove.

Yeah. Goes to his little dumpy apartment and, Doesn't really ask him to go to the wedding. He demands that he goes to the wedding and tells him that if he doesn't, he's going to regret it. And then he pulls the you owe me card. So he's look what he's doing for his sister. Look what he's doing for the family.

Yeah.

Takes time off of work to do this. So he doesn't really reluctantly agree at all. Not in the scene. He just shows up in the diner. Mm hmm. And then tell us your thoughts about the level of loyalty that it takes for a brother to do that. Something like that. To a nephew. Yeah.

So we know, we've established in all four seasons that Luke is... for as, as gruff and cranky as he is. And as much as he rails about families, he is very committed to the idea of family and the, the responsibility that comes with that.

Like, this is all I got. It ain't perfect, but this is what I got.

And you do for family, no matter what.

Right. Right.

And this is where we realize that Jess feels the same way. And, you know, Luke and Jess are, as a family pair, have had a lot of obstacles and a lot of road bumps, and there was, you know, arguments and fights, and... But this is... The fact that Jess came to the wedding because Luke asked him to, not because his mom asked him to, I think that was super meaningful, and we, you know... Jess a lot of times is not that nice of a person, but this really redeems him a lot for me because he does get that sense of family commitment and he knows that Luke sacrificed a lot for him. And so he is, you know, willing to return that favor basically.

Right. Right. Yeah. Those, those were nice warm moments between those two. Yeah. And now we get to the part where Jess almost discovers the self-help books. Yes. Luke successfully hides them. Jess leaves. And this is when we get to this moment where he's washing his bowl in the sink and he's drying his hands. And then the audio asks, do you see her face? Do you see her face?

And he's staring off in the distance and replies, whoa. And I think we all know who he sees, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Does he see a Tyrannosaurus Rex, A? Does he see an alligator, C? Or does he see Lorelei? Yeah. All right. So quite a moment. It is.

It's yeah. Cause it's part of you is like, how could you, how could you be so surprised by it, Luke? I mean, like it's always been there. It shouldn't have been a surprise to him. And yet it never was in his conscious mind until that moment. So it was, it was fun to like see that kind of realization break.

Yeah. He's been through the whole, uh, uh, um, God, I forget her name. Uh, he's been through the marriage and the divorce. Nicole, Nicole. yeah so he's been distracted mightily distracted by that so there's there's there's an excuse all right now let's go to the most unlikely place you're ever going to find luke or jess in a strip club yes for tj's bachelor party and luke is And the lap conversation, it doesn't exist. It's an illusion. What?

Luke is clearly uncomfortable.

Yes.

And a stripper tries to give him a lap dance and he stands up and says, now, now there's no lap. I'm not going to sit down. I can't create a lap. And that starts the philosophical discussion between TJ and his brother, That's David DeLuise and Michael DeLuise. Yes. And we've had David on the show a couple of times and he's just fantastic. Yeah. And then they get into their philosophical side, talking about the existence or non-existence of laps. Yes. And it ends up in a fight.

And Luke's awkwardness with the stripper was so funny, how he kept saying, thank you. Thanks.

No, thanks.

Thank you. Thank you. No, no, no, thank you. So funny.

How did the, how did the Palladinos know to put in that many thank yous? They just know, right? They just know.

Yeah, it was perfectly timed.

It was script.

Yeah, it was perfect.

And, you know, I remember taking real time to work that out because it had to be, you know, just all those thank yous and thankses. Yeah. They had to be perfectly timed. Yes. You know, and then, you know, what were there, seven or eight of them? Yeah. And that's on a page and you're looking at it and you go, okay, how am I going to do this?

But there's the music in it. There's the rhythm that people talk about. Yeah, there's a cadence to it. It is. And you find it. And it doesn't take long to find. And Luke sees Jess steal a guy's beer and takes it. Typical Jess.

I love that he brought a book.

Brings a book, steals a beer. It's like, I'm here, but I'm still me. Right. Exactly.

That's a good way to put it.

Yeah. And the concern on, on Luke's face, the utter, utter fear and disappointment on his face that he stole and he's drinking, you know? So anyway, and then, you know, TJ, who is not to be messed with because, you know, You don't want to disappoint. He's going to, yeah. You're going to say yes. Cause I don't want to say, tell her that you're not coming. I want, I'm trying to make her happy and you're going to say yes.

And I just, I love this attitude. Right. Yeah. And you just got to love a guy like that. And then he knocks the book out of his hand. You know, Jess, why is this off to him? But she didn't have, that's the wrong guy to pop off to.

Yeah.

And then the fight begins. Luke intervenes. grabs jess hard and says knock it off knock it off you know it's attitude and i think it's a lot of fear because it's not just this incident it's just how he's going through life and if this is how he is with people that he knows somewhat how is he with strangers he's gonna get killed yeah this is the kind of attitude that gets you put in the hospital or in the graveyard and it terrifies luke it terrifies him so that's why i think he you know he really jumped in there and and screamed at And then Luke has an epiphany as all people do when they sort of get into situations like this for people realizing that maybe you're approaching it the wrong way. Maybe you care

too much. They are what they are. And that's what Luke realized. So can't change them. And then the diner, he just apologized to him about dragging him into Star's Hollow. A little reversal. And I don't think it was reverse psychology. I just think it was an epiphany.

I agree.

It's like, you are who you are. You don't have to go. It's like, whatever. I'm not going to change you. And that's also a big moment of growth for Luke's character.

Yeah.

That's a huge revelation.

Yeah, because Luke is always the fixer. He is the one that picks up Liz's pieces when she comes apart. And he comes and fixes Lorelai's window. He's always the one that takes care of everything. And he's now had this realization that he can't fix other people. He can fix a window, but he can't fix a person. They just are going to have to be who they are.

And he has to just accept that.

And that's two people now. that don't care if he comes. His mother and now Luke, which shows the power of their bond and the humanity that is growing inside of Jess as a result of Luke's caring. And also his mother, indirectly, right? Yeah. Because, you know, it is an act of love when you realize you can't take care of somebody and you sort of push them off to somebody who you feel can.

So that's a family, you know, it's dysfunctional, but it's functioning in a way that gets a result. And here we are. We're seeing the green shoots of this dysfunctional family. You know, Luke's effort, her effort. And now this kid, and we think as an audience, maybe he's got a chance. Right. You know, we're seeing some human qualities, some caring. That's very nice to see. Yeah, yeah.

It's good. And he's also, you know, he's a couple of years older than when we first met him. And so he's just naturally maturing and it's, it's good to see him, you know, turning into a thoughtful, reasonably decent adult.

So there's a series of thought starters here. And one of them is asking me what I remember about filming this episode and seeing the script. And I just imparted, I do remember saying, thank you, stripper, all of that. But I got to tell you, I remember nothing about this. I do remember the scenes with Jess in the diner.

I do remember going to his apartment in New York City and doing that rant. It was a pretty full episode for me. Oh, yeah. It was a lot of work. I have nothing but fond memories of this. Yeah.

It was so well done. And you did a really good job of embodying that change that Luke was going through internally, like you could see it in his thoughts and his actions and his words. So you were great in this episode.

Oh, thank you.

Kudos to you.

So, Suzanne, after watching this, can you remember a time when you were cheering on a friend or a best friend to finally go for his or her longtime crush? Yeah.

You know, when you're standing, when you're on the outside looking in at somebody else's relationship, it's really easy to see what they should be doing, right? Like it's, it's always easy to have an opinion on what other people should be doing. And it's more difficult when you're the one in that situation. Um, and so I think as a viewer who's been watching this develop, you know, we're at the end of the fourth season now, um, We are cheering on both Luke and Lorelai because they both deserve to get what they want. They're both good people.

They both work hard. They both deserve to be in a relationship that is stable and not crazy and not based on superficial things. And so I think that's a good way to put it is like you're cheering on your two best friends that you know they're meant to be together and you finally see that happening. And it's a great moment for sure.

Yeah, terrific episode. And boy, funny, full of feeling. You know, a lot of loose ends getting tied up here. Mm-hmm. And propelling us into a new world here, perhaps, a new reality. Really exciting time for the show. Anyway, Suzanne, we ran out of time. We know you're busy. And really, the reality is we can't afford you any longer. We have to let you go today. You know, I'm very happy for you, but how the hell did you get so expensive? It's unbelievable. And I hope you get more and more expensive. Anyway, thanks for coming on again. Hope to see you soon.

Thank you for having me. Always fun.

And congratulations on the new gig. Thank you. And remember, everybody, be the best fans on the planet. Keep the cards and letters coming. We read every single one of them, don't we, Suzanne? Yes, we do. And remember, where you lead, we will follow. Stay safe, everyone. Hey, everybody, don't forget, follow us on Instagram at I Am All In Podcast and email us at gilmore at iheartradio.com.

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