IAAI Town Meeting: A Comparison between Dean and Logan (Season 5 E6 “Norman Miller, I’m Pregnant”)

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Hi guys, welcome back to another episode of I Am All In Town Meeting with myself, Tara and Suzanne.

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Hello. Today we're talking about Season 5, Episode 6, Norman Mailer, I Am Pregnant, which aired on October 26, 2004.

Yes. It's a good episode.

It was good.

The beginning of the Life and Death Brigade.

Yes, the very, very beginning of it. The one thing I'm just going to call out right away, two things.

One is we got a clown pillow at the very beginning.

Yeah, total like full frontal of a clown pillow.

Full frontal.

And then I was really paying attention to set design this episode.

There was just a lot of crap. In Rory's room, her dorm room, there's like 18 cups just like in front of her, like coffee cups.

Yes, I marked that too.

Yeah, there's like, maybe not 18. I think there was like 10, but still.

And then the guy who she was interviewing in his dorm room, the music.

Guy, also had a bunch of water bottles in the back, like just empty.

And then obviously Christopher's house was just a mess. And so my first thought was the set designer, Must have just gotten any crap he could have thrown into these rooms.

Yes.

Yeah. There's a lot of stuff.

There was also like a random set of bongos in the newsroom at the newspaper. Okay.

That I did not see.

On the file cabinet. Yeah. It was like when they, when it was when Logan came in and he was, he sat down in that chair. It was like on the file cabinet behind him.

Funny.

I did. I do love the banter with, with Logan though.

Yeah, it was good. I'm not committed to any of Rory's boyfriends, but I thought Logan was good in this episode. And obviously the one following is a big Logan episode. But yeah, these were good.

You know, there's this thing that's been going around on social media that the older you are, like now as an adult, you realize you're more of a Logan girl. Oh.

And I think I'm leaning that way.

Yeah.

But anyway. Yeah.

I mean, our perspectives change as we get older, right? Like I've read so many times people are like, oh my gosh, I loved Rory when I was a teenager. And now I identify with Lorelai more. Like people, we just get older and we have different opinions.

I always was into the bad boys, which makes sense why I was a Jess girl.

Yeah.

And don't get me wrong, I still think, especially in shows, I'm like, hmm, I still like that one. But I don't know. It's... Also, I'm just talking about future Logan because, I mean, we've seen it. But, like, the more I think about it before I even watch, I'm like, yeah, I get it. I get it.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't really... I don't know. I don't like Logan later. But right now, I can totally see.

He's charming.

Exactly.

And you know, I kind of forgot that there's the Dean-Logan overlap.

Yes.

So when you compare it, you're like, oh, come on, Rory.

Right?

You cannot be leaning towards Dean in this moment. I'm so sorry.

Yeah, and they even literally went out of their way to make Dean look... Like with the whole trucker thing at the market and he's got like a cowboy hat on or something. They literally are trying to separate him out from Logan. Like they're trying to really draw that contrast. Just like they did with Dean and Jess back in the day. Like they had to define that contrast.

I wish there was more of an explanation of the cowboy hat. Except for the fact that there's now a rack of cowboy hats being sold at Dozie's Market.

Yeah.

Yeah. Did you notice in the background there was, I don't know if it was like, I can't remember if it was just a poster or a blackboard or something, but it said Trucker's Rule in the background.

I didn't see. I was paying attention to the really fake hot dogs, though.

The fake hot dogs and the Slurpees and the nachos with the weird cheese.

Yeah. Yeah. Nachos did sound good, though. When I saw it, I was like, you know what? Nachos do sound good right now. Yeah, but you're right. They are very, like... It kind of sucks for Dean's character. It's, like, degrading him a bit.

Yeah, I mean, they really went out of their way to intentionally make him, like, this country bumpkin. And it gets... It's gonna get worse in a couple episodes. I know, I know. When he doesn't, like, read her article or whatever, and he, like, gives the impression that, you know, he's just too stupid to read it. I don't know. I think they really... They really did. That's how he came across.

And I'm not saying he is stupid. I'm just saying that's how he came across. And when you compare it to when we met him in the pilot and he didn't like the leather jacket and.

Reading a book, right.

He's reading a book and he's just in from Chicago and they're talking about, you know, Rosemary's baby and stuff. It's just completely, completely changed.

It makes you think that like, sometimes I wonder if writers think that we're dumb. And I don't say that in a mean way, but like, that's the common thing about Dean is we're always like, what happened? Because he was so like intelligent and like read books in the beginning. And then we were made to think that he doesn't read books and just reads books.

Right.

And yeah, I think sometimes it's out of necessity. Like if an actor leaves or, you know, something, then you have to rework your storylines and maybe that involves changing the character. you know like I've talked about a million times and I won't rehash it with Zach like you know the same they did the same thing because the you know Dave Rogalski left the show and I couldn't think of his name so then they had to kind of shuffle around and find Lane a new love interest so I don't know that it's necessarily intentional it's just like they have to just get a plot out there for the season and sometimes that I don't know it's probably both yeah.

Poor Dean. I know.

Poor Dean. Sort of. I mean, he cheated on his wife, so not that poor Dean.

That's a good point. Speaking of not feeling bad for people, who do you think I'm about to bring up?

Let me guess. Christopher?

Yep.

I forgot that this is when he calls because we hadn't seen him in so long.

We haven't seen him in like a year. He's been gone for a whole season. It was blissful.

I'm like, oh, no, here we go again. I think that, like, the comparison, underlying comparison of, like, raising a child by yourself, when he's like, how am I going to do this?

It's like, well, you just got to figure it out. Right.

When you have no choice, you just deal with it.

And also, a little bit of karma, right? Like, he left Lorelai and Rory, and now karma, and now he's having to raise. But, you know, The one thing I do have to give him credit for is he didn't leave Gigi.

Yes, that's true.

For now.

Yeah, but he left Lorelai and Rory a second time to be with Sherry and Gigi.

Yeah, but I think also like, and I'm not trying to defend him in any way, but I think it's also with age and realizing that he's screwed up with missing out on his kid's life the first time that he's trying to fix it this time.

So I give him a.

Little bit of credit because because Sherry also just like dips.

What are you going to do? Leave the kid with a baby? You can't do that.

Yeah. I mean, but he does admit that she did that because he was working all the time and he said he doesn't even know Gigi.

So, yeah, he had no choice. Yeah.

So he was kind of. again going down that absent father path until sherry decided she was gonna beat him to it and she left and then he had to step up yeah.

But this part moving forward he at least is.

He leans into it for sure yeah i was about.

To say trying and that was too nice of a word leaning into it but i did what i was annoyed that he called lorelei and then yeah i.

Was really proud of rory at the end Yeah, I know.

Some people don't like that, but sometimes Rory butts into other people's business more than she should. And I think there's an aspect of that here, but I'm glad she did because she wants her mom to be happy and she wants her dad to just stop being a jerk and leaving over and over and over again.

I don't blame her this time for butting in.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I was proud of her for like speaking up and, you know, defending her mom.

Which, by the way, is so funny that both Emily and Richard weren't there this week.

Oh, yeah.

And they just showed up to the house. Yeah. And got the phone book to order food.

Which is funny because why wouldn't they have? canceled friday night dinner if they both knew they weren't going to be there i.

I wonder if i was thinking the same thing i wonder if one thought the other was going to be.

There oh maybe yes.

Because they're not talking right now yeah yeah that could be it.

So one thing I noticed, and maybe this is intentional because maybe she's just somebody that lives in Stars Hollow, but the business consultant that told Suki she had to drop lunch, that's the same actress as the woman that was breastfeeding at Luke's.

Oh, that was a while ago.

That was a while ago.

Okay.

You could think of it two ways. Either it's just another situation where they reuse an actor in multiple roles because they did that constantly.

Or that was just her job.

Or that was just her job, right. She was just a citizen in Stars Hollow who was breastfeeding in the diner and also is a business consultant.

Speaking of the diner, Kirk in the wiener costume.

Yes.

I also like how Suki's like, don't worry, I paid with them out of my own pocket. I'm like, this doesn't make it any better.

Right. Yeah. Suki was annoying in this episode. I guess we're supposed to think she was annoying because she was pregnant and hormonal. Yeah.

I mean, she was annoying to me, but still entertaining. She didn't completely derail me.

Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, she was still funny. She just annoyed me when they had the conversation about dropping lunch and she was upset. And then later on when Lorelai walks in and she's like, what is all this food here for? Like we have to drop.

That's the part that she was like, what, what.

Are you talking about? Who decided that?

Like you were there.

I mean, just like you're intentionally acting like you don't know anything about it because you don't want to deal with it. And you don't, I don't know. I guess we're just supposed to chalk that up to pregnancy, I guess, but I don't know. I was a little annoyed by that.

Well, because the first time that she found out she was pregnant was during the kid's birthday party when she was making crazy decisions about the kid's food, right?

No, that's not when she found out. She was already, like, pretty well into the pregnancy. She found out when they were at the Independence Inn and the food didn't taste right.

That's what it was. Yeah. But she was acting weird. Yes.

Yes.

So I think that's kind of the... Wait, so what was the thing at the birthday? Oh, no. She just thought she can't be a mom because she didn't know how to feed kids. Exactly.

Yeah.

Yeah. So I think it's just kind of like her being weird is the sign that she's pregnant, which is.

Yeah.

Okay.

Whatever.

Yeah. I mean, it's kind of a stereotype, but whatever. Yeah.

Well, I didn't have anything else this episode. Did you?

So I have some minor things. Okay. So I always... I try to pay attention to the music because it seems like, I don't know if it was Dan Palladino that was making those choices, but I always have like a similar kind of taste in music for the most part. So something funny when Rory was in the guy's apartment, the downloading guy.

Yeah.

He made a comment about downloading the new Interpol. And I had to go back and look because that was so at that time when this episode aired, which we said was October of 2004. Interpol had just released an album, like, in September of 24, and a song from that album was in the episode where Jackson was, the election episode, like, episode four, I think it was.

Hmm.

So I just thought that was a funny little connection because there was a song that played when they were in Lane's apartment and the girls were there and they were drinking the beer. And that's when Lane told.

Yeah. Yeah. That's two episodes ago.

Yeah. So the song that was playing in the background.

Is it from this album?

It's from that album.

Oh, it had to be. I wonder, Jackie, can you look it up? I wonder if they were assigned to Warner Brothers Music.

Oh, maybe. Because that episode would have aired before the album even came out.

That's why I think it was a it's called a sync when they do that like they basically place the song in there on purpose yeah I could totally see that if they were signed to Warner Music that would make so much sense but that's a really oh it's Capital okay well then never mind Capital's under Universal Music yeah or maybe like.

Dan knew them personally or something it.

Could have been some connection or like I don't know maybe they were trying to really promote this album but yeah it could be The thing is, it could be a sync from another label.

So anyway.

Yeah, yeah. So it's a good song if anybody feels like going back to listen to it. It's called Slow Hand, I think. I forget where. I wrote it down somewhere. But Slow Hand or Slow Hands, something like that. But anyways, the Interpol album is called Antics. And then, okay, go back and watch the scene at Yale where– Rory is telling Doyle about the Life and Death Brigade, how she saw the girl in the bathroom. Because I swear, if you watch her lips when she says in Omnia Paratus, she says something else. I swear her lips.

Are saying something else. What's it called? Like ADR when they do pick up?

You can tell it was like that it's looped. Yeah. And I don't know what she, like you can see in Omnia, those look fine. But when she says Paratus, her lips are saying something else. I don't know what they were saying. Maybe she like mispronounced the word or something and had to go back.

Probably.

I don't know. But that caught my eye. And then the only other thing, this was super minor, just one of those little prop placement things. So when they were in Emily's driveway, Lorelai left her coffee cup on the hood of the Jeep. And then in different angles, the coffee cup moved to different places. So it's just one of those.

So many coffee cups. I couldn't keep track this episode. I know.

There were a lot. All of them paper, mostly.

All of them paper, yeah. Especially the ones in Rory's room.

Yeah. But yeah, just one of those funny little things. Yeah.

It was a good episode, though.

It was a great episode. I like the Life and Death Brigade stuff.

Me too.

Yeah. It's just a good... It's good for setting us up for the next episode.

Which I watched. So I'm just going to be really excited to talk about.

It next week. Yeah. So the upcoming episode is like one of the biggest ones in the whole series, I think. Like a lot of people, that's their favorite episode.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right.

Well, next week, we're going to be talking about it.

Season five, episode seven, You Jump, I Jump Jack, which aired November 2nd, 2004. We will see you next week.

Meeting adjourned.

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IAAI Town Meeting: A Comparison between Dean and Logan (Season 5 E6 “Norman Miller, I’m Pregnant”)

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