IAAI Town Meeting: Why Are You Calling a Married Man? (Season 4 E21 “Last Week Fights, This Week Tights”)

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More, more, more. I want to kiss you more. I Am All In Town Meeting with Suzanne French and Tara Sood. An iHeartRadio podcast. Hi guys, welcome back to another episode of I Am All In Town Meeting with myself, Tara, and Suzanne. Hello! Hello, we are just one away from the finale, which is, this is the pre-finale tonight.

Yes.

We're talking about, which is season four, episode 21, Last Week Fights, this week's tights.

So good.

So good. That aired on May 11th, 2004. I was telling you before we started recording, this one and the next one should have been like a two-hour finale, I think. And you and I watched these back-to-back, so it felt it felt better watching it like that.

Right.

We're only going to talk about 21 right now.

Yes. But it made perfect sense. Like it just, the continuity from one to the other, it was, it literally was just like watching.

The only difference was school's over. Right.

Right. Exactly. We had the end of the school year in the middle there, but, but yeah.

Well, we started out with someone on screen and I was like, she looks really familiar. I literally sat there and I was like, why do I know her? And I was like, I think I like have met her. Who is it? And then I Googled it. It's Scott's wife.

Yes. It's Christine.

The very first scene with Miss Patty in the, in this time, in the, by the gazebo. Yeah. I was going to say the town square, but I guess, is it?

It is.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's sort of.

Is she, is this her only episode?

In the original. Yeah. She was in the, she was in a year in the life. She had one quick line.

That's right. But in the original, this was her only scene. And were they married here?

They were not married, but they were together.

Okay, got it. Yeah. Yeah, right off the bat. I'm not going to lie to you. I don't even remember what happened in that first scene because I was like, I know her. And then I started like Googling her name. And I was like, wait a minute. Because it was like, I don't know. I just wasn't expecting it because I know she was in it. I just didn't know which episode she was in. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, she has a distinct voice. So if you hear it, you're like, wait, I know that person.

Well, that's why when she started talking, I was like, hold on. I know this person. She's very sweet.

Yeah. This scene, so the Maypole, one of my favorite lines in the whole thing maybe is when Kirk yells, I'd call that a maybe not pole.

Yeah. Yeah. Kirk, these next two episodes, Kirk is so good.

Oh my gosh, I know.

I also love the callback of that, Kirk has 40 jobs.

Yes.

Like, it's just, it's so obvious to the viewer, but I like that it's also a joke within the town.

Yeah, yeah.

That's when Lorelai comes by and says it, right?

Yeah, because Miss Patty was saying Kirk was upset that he was not the dance captain, and Lorelai is like, well, he has 40 jobs. Like, he doesn't need this also.

Yeah. By the way, did you notice, Susanna, I'm pretty sure that Lorelai's truck was parked in the background of this scene.

Oh, I didn't even notice.

I'm pretty sure it was her Jeep. It's like over by, okay, so where if you're looking from the gazebo and then Kim's Antiques is behind, it's like around the corner. It's literally parked on the side.

I didn't even notice that.

I don't know why I caught my eye. And then I was like second guessing. I'm like, I'm not 100% sure if it's her Jeep, but like I'm pretty sure.

I didn't even see that. I guess it makes sense if she was on her way to work and she just.

She parked so far away, though.

Yeah, it is weird. She'd be like, because if she stopped at Luke's for coffee, why would she be parked by Mrs.

King?

But yeah, I did notice when she walked away from Miss Patty to go talk to Kirk. I think we weren't supposed to see her feet because she was wearing flip flops.

Oh, I didn't notice that.

She was in her nice work dress and then wearing flip-flops.

Well, it could have also been that she wasn't wearing her heels yet. Maybe.

Yeah, maybe she doesn't drive in them.

I throw flip-flops in the car, but this is a TV show, so, you know. Yeah.

I do the same thing. I have a different pair of shoes that I drive in than I wear to work. Like, I change my shoes when I get to work.

These were heels?

Yes. I don't wear heels, but my car is a stick shift. And so it's hard to, depending on what shoes I'm wearing, sometimes it's hard to do all of that with my feet in the wrong shoes.

Yeah. If I'm wearing like, if I'm going to like an event and have to wear heels or something, I always throw a pair of flip flops in the car.

Yeah.

Yeah. All right. So I'm trying to see where should we bounce around to?

So I have a question on the next scene after that. So that was the opening, and then we got the opening credits, and then the first scene in from the credits is when they're in the kitchen, and Suki and Jackson are arguing about the radishes and whether or not they would fit up Davy's nose, which was funny. So I had a question because I went back to the last episode, and the last time– that we saw Suki and Jackson was when they were in the zucchini patch. Okay.

And they wake up and they're like, wasn't that nice? We've all slept in the zucchini patch. Yeah. And then in this scene, when Lorelai walks in and they're kind of, you know, bickering about the radishes and she, she says to Suki, she says, you two are back big time. Like, what did she mean by that? Like, she made it sound like, had they previously not been speaking and now they were, I didn't know what she meant by you two were back. It was weird to me. And I wondered if there was like maybe some, something that had been cut out of that scene, like maybe some other dialogue or something. I just wasn't sure what she was referring to there.

You know, I noticed because we've watched these week by week, I don't really remember every detail from last week. That's probably what happened to people who watched it in 2004. Yeah. It didn't really matter what was being said.

Yeah, that's true. That's true.

Yeah. I'll go back and watch because now I'm like curious I'm like what was the tone.

Yeah it was it was I don't know I didn't understand what she was referring to it sounded like they had not been speaking or something and now they were I don't know it was weird it just was kind of one of those things probably something there was some line of dialogue or something that got cut and then it just didn't make sense with what was.

Left yeah I guess let's just talk about Rory as a whole yes because I I have a couple things so one I loved the scene of Emily bringing, I don't remember his name, the guy who she's known since diapers.

Yes. Graham.

Graham. Thank you. I kind of loved that scene and I wish it happened earlier in the season slash in the school year. I just, I don't, I think it would have given it because we've talked about this multiple times. Rory's just been annoying and, like, hasn't really been trying to, like, hang out with guys or meet guys. So, this was just a little bit earlier in the season. I mean, I understand the flow. I understand why because I'm the demon element of it all. But, I don't know. I kind of like that this happened and then it I kind of like that it flops too.

Yeah.

You know who I wish she called? I really wish she called Marty. Because ending this season without Marty just seemed like such a throwaway of a character.

You know, now that you mention that, I had completely forgotten about Marty. Like we haven't seen him in so long.

You're right though. I was hoping that Marty was at the bar or she would have called Marty to come like help her out because they're friends. Yeah. And to call Dean, first of all, he has to drive how far out?

Yeah, well.

An hour. Let's say an hour.

That was a decision. She made it sound to Dean like, oh, you were the only one I could call. But that was a complete lie.

I know that. But it was a choice for sure. But if I think that's why I wish this happened at a different time because I feel like if everyone was still in school, she would have called Marty. Or I wish she saw Marty at the same bar, like, save me. Yeah. Yeah. No, we fell into this mess.

I kind of wanted her to call Emily and just be like, see, this is why grandmothers should not get involved in granddaughters.

She would have never done that, though.

She wouldn't have, but I kind of wish she'd had because Emily was so, I don't know. I thought Emily was like weird and inappropriate about the whole thing. Like she, she physically like brings this guy over to Rory and then he like is lurking in the hallway until she announced him. That whole thing was freaking weird. And I would have been like, grandma, get out of my life.

It would have made more sense if like, She invited like his parents to Friday night dinner or whatever. Yeah.

It was just so manipulative because she knows Rory isn't going to say no.

Well, yeah, that's why she did it. Right.

Exactly. So I don't know. It just, I thought it was, I thought it was weird.

I mean, yeah, but I also was like, it's very Emily. So it didn't really bother me. Yeah.

I mean, that's true. It's just Emily, you know, everybody has to do everything her way because She knows better than anybody.

I did love that she was drinking spiked lemonade while packing. Yes, by herself. You know what? Good for her. Why not? It's been a tough year. the dean stuff is hard because and i don't think i've ever said this take before and i haven't thought of it I don't know why she was so forgiving and nice and gung-ho over Dean, but then was such a jerk to Jess when Jess actually came to kind of make amends in a way.

And I think that's why I am always kind of team Jess because even though he messed up big time and he was a jerk, I think he recognized that. When someone like Dean never recognized what he, or honestly ever apologized for what he did.

Yeah, that's true.

And I felt really bad for Jess at the end because I was like, maybe it wasn't the right timing for sure or not. Yeah. But I don't know. I actually felt kind of bad for Jess. And I was like, at first I was like, yeah, get rid of Dean. Like, keep Jess. And then she was just so rude to him.

I mean, I can see it from both sides. I think she was rude. She was rude to Jess, but I think, so, okay, I have two different thoughts on this. One is I think that she fundamentally still does not trust Jess.

Fair.

And she even kind of calls that out actually in the next episode when she's at Lane's, which we can talk about in the next episode. But, you know, she compares and contrasts Dean and Jess and how Jess is not very dependable, but she always felt safe with Dean. So I think that's in the back of her mind.

But then also it would be really irritating. The way that Jess keeps popping in and popping back out, I would have been irritated too if I were her and he just shows up at my dorm and is demanding that I run away with him. And he's being like super aggressive and pushy about it. Which I get that he was coming from a place of like, I love you and I want to be with you. I understand where he's coming from. But his demeanor, he just was so aggressive about it. I can understand why she would take a step back and be like, whoa, can you just back off for a minute? So I kind of see both of their perspectives.

I think for me, the fact that Dean is even engaging in this while he's married is what really, really bothers me. Yes. And I think that she... I think she is... She, meaning Rory, is the problem for engaging and... It's just as bad, right? Yeah. You know she's married. You know all this. Obviously... there's way more to get into in the finale. But for this specifically, why are you calling a married man? And that's what bothered me.

That's why I stayed on Jess's side in this because I don't think she has the right to be rude to Jess when she is doing something equally as bad.

That's true.

Yeah.

I can see that.

So that's why I'm like, why does Dean get the pass when Jess is actually just coming to apologize and kind of make amends. Yeah. You were literally hanging out with a married man. Right.

Well, and we see it, you know, again, we'll talk about it in the next episode, but she is already thinking of Dean as hers.

Yeah.

And she does ask him. I'm always curious because she asks him about Lindsay, but then before Dean can answer, that's when Jess shows up. I'm curious if Jess hadn't walked in right then, like what would Dean have said?

I think he would have just gave like a half-assed answer. Like, oh, she did. Yeah.

I think so, too.

Do you remind me, are they married in this moment? They're actually married.

Dean and Lindsay?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Okay. I don't know why. I did like a second guess. I'm like, they're engaged? No, no, they're married.

Yes.

You know what it was? And sorry, we're jumping ahead. But I think it's the next episode where someone was like, oh, they've only been married for like two days. And I was like, hold on. Like, it threw me off. Someone said that in the next episode. Hmm. Okay. Anyway.

So, yeah, they're like, they're married. Like they are legally connected to each other. And, but Rory is thinking, you know, he's my Dean. So I, yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. I just think that Rory's the problem. I, I 100% agree. 100%.

He really is.

And it's hard to also, there are like way, way more men in this town than just these two boys. I know.

Well, that's, That's always been my complaint, is why does she keep circling around? And even when Logan comes into the picture, like, why does she keep circling around these same three guys? And even in the revival, it's the same, like... I mean, we have that new guy that she's supposedly dating in the revival, but it's like.

The one who no one remembers his name.

Like, go find a different boyfriend, because there's more than just.

Or not even another boyfriend, just date someone, even if it's like... Lorelai's had more boyfriends in four seasons than Rory has in the entire series.

And I loved how Tana pointed that out to her. Tana point, not the part about Lorelai, but Tana pointed out how.

In the photos? Yeah.

She's like in all the whole school year without a boyfriend.

Well, I think that was part of it. Like we've been talking about this the whole time and it was blatantly obvious. And then when Tana's showing the photo, she's like, oh, there you are by yourself. Yeah.

I hear you're on the lamppost. But, you know, I think it's good for her to be by herself because she keeps doing all these.

I mean, I don't know. Rory's pretty terrible on her own and she's pretty terrible in a relationship. So I think she needs some therapy.

Yeah, that's true. It may not matter who the guy is.

Maybe we only kept these three because she's not really stable in relationships. So we had to just keep these three. But yeah, I don't know. Just the whole, the Dean thing bugged me more than the Jess thing. But I get what you're saying. Yeah.

One was changing topics for a moment, but going back to the dorm room for a minute. So when they were packing and they go into Paris's, they're going to leave or whatever. And Paris gives Rory Asher Fleming's son's number, Leonard. And I thought about it for a second and I realized for the first time, like if Rory, like if Paris and Asher stay together and Rory starts dating that would make Paris Rory's mother-in-law. Yeah. That could have been really funny.

Also, was that the only piece of paper that was laying around in the dorm when she was getting her number?

Yeah. I mean, you would think, I know she was packing and stuff, but you'd think she would have had like a notebook or something.

I don't know.

But I doubt that the Graham Sullivan guy even knew who Leonard Fleming was.

Unless they had a class with him. Yeah, maybe. But yeah, I was looking at all the pieces of paper. That was the one that was left here. Oh, man. What else? What else was this episode?

One thing I thought was funny, I pointed out to my husband when we were watching this last night, and it's one of those things that you don't even... It's not even like a moment, but it gets kind of glossed over. But the scene where they're in Lane's apartment and the roommates are dividing up the phone bill. Like, that's not something that happens anymore. But this was, you know, back in the day before... Well, number one, before everybody had their own individual cell phone with their own individual phone number. And you would have, like, one phone in the apartment and everybody shared it.

But also.

Paying for long distance was still a thing then. And now it's just included, you know, in your cell phone bill. But I can remember very clearly in college dividing up.

Wait, it's not included in your cell phone bill.

I don't pay for long distance calls.

Do you? I feel like anytime I'm talking to someone who's out of the country.

Well, long distance isn't necessarily only out of the country.

Oh.

I mean, international.

International. That's what I'm thinking.

But long distance.

Oh, you mean like out of state?

See, you're a young'un.

Yeah, I know you have to pay.

Long distance is just a certain, like, I remember when I was a kid.

The different area codes.

Calling Orange County to Los Angeles County was long distance.

No way. Yes.

And you would have to, like, because I went, when I was in college, because I went to UCLA and my mom was in Orange County. And every time I called her, it was, I had to pay for it.

Okay, hold on. I do remember that state by state because I had a family who lived in other states. but I did not know LA to Orange County.

Yeah. Long distance just was like out of your immediate area.

What was it like miles wise? Like wasn't it within like a 10 mile radius?

Oh, I don't know. They had, I'm not, I'm not the phone company, but they had like, they had like zones and like the farther you would call and depending on the time of day, also the more it would cost. But I totally remember in college and grad school, like dividing up the phone bill with my roommates and everybody would claim like which calls were theirs.

That's so funny. I know.

It doesn't even happen. Like it's not even a thing anymore.

No one even has a shared phone anymore. No. It's so funny. Someone asked me the other day, because in my email signature, I have my cell phone because I don't have like an office number. And so I was like, is this your office number? And I was like, first of all, it said cells. Clearly they didn't even read it properly. But in my head, I'm like, I don't think anyone really has an office number anymore. And if we do, it's like, well, I'm usually on my cell phone or email me.

Right, exactly. I have in my office, there is a phone on the desk.

But no one calls it.

But I don't even know what the number is. I couldn't even tell somebody to call me there if I wanted to. I'm only in the office once a week.

Yeah, I'm in the office now like once a week.

My email signature, all that is all my cell phone number because I don't use the phone on my desk.

When we all came back from the pandemic, there was a new security guy who worked the front desk at iHeart. And there are two on the fifth floor where our building is. There are two Taras, both pronounced Tara. and there's always a bunch of stuff delivered for me but this new security guard didn't know who's who all of my stuff went to her like i'd i'd have like we'd be in the office for something like and we'd order people like lunch and they would send it to her desk and i'd be like oh my god where's all my food and it would be sent to her so but i but apparently i have an office number that he tried calling and i don't even know what that is oh that's funny yeah We have to talk about the wedding, which I loved Lorelai's dress.

Yes.

I think she looks so pretty.

Yeah. And I just thought the whole visually was so well done. The set design was perfect. It was fun to watch.

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. And I was about to say, Scott, Luke looked great. It was all good. I liked. I liked the scenes with Jess. Oh, my God, when the stripper came into the diner. I love how, like, Jess knew. He's like, enjoy.

Oh, totally. And did you notice there were people at the window in the ice cream shop?

Yes, I did notice that when he started, like, taking his shirt off or whatever. And in my head, I was like, at the diner? Like, you couldn't do this anywhere else.

Yeah.

There are children. And it's, like, two in the afternoon. That was funny. Very funny. But yeah, no, the wedding I loved. Obviously, we get the first bit of like the Luke and Lorelei of it all. It's building.

Yes. Yes. And did you notice, okay, the dance. Oh, my God. Which wasn't a waltz, but we'll forgive them.

Yes.

I noticed when they were dancing, and I don't know if this was scripted or just the way it was edited, but every, so they started out dancing and they're like, you know, maybe, eight inches apart. But every time they rotated around, they got closer together. And so by the time they went around the last time they were like right up against each other, it was so cute.

I was too distracting that everyone was on a different beat because when they film those things, there's no music playing.

Right.

So Lorelai and Luke are like doing like one, two, one, two, like they're doing like a quick and then everyone else is like sweat. It drove me absolutely insane that everyone was on a different beat. And the whole time I was like, I just know because there's no music playing. They're like, all right, the dance, the camera. There's just someone talking about the camera angles. And the music censored it after. And it was driving me insane. So no, I didn't know if they got closer. I just noticed that everyone was off. And Luke and Lorelei were moving the fastest. Yeah.

That's funny. I have to pay closer attention to that. You'd think they could have played the music because especially when they went to the crane shot, they're not going to use the audio anyway.

Well, they don't know what music's going to be used. That's why. Because you don't know what's licensed yet. Oh, okay. Yeah, so you can't use anything. It's funny. I learned this recently also on shows like Housewives. When they're at a party and you hear music in the edit, there's no music playing at these parties. So it's basically drop dead silent.

It's just people talking. And it's just so funny because the way it's edited doesn't seem like that. I mean, they're not dancing. It's kind of like just music on a dance floor. But yeah, they don't know what's licensed yet and cleared. Weird. Okay. So, yeah, they couldn't, because I know, because the song that played was just the basic, like, Gilmore Girls, one of those jingles, you know?

Well, it was Reflecting Light. It was Sam Phillips.

Yeah, but, like, they didn't know if that was cleared yet, so. Anyway. Yeah, we noticed two different things in the same scene.

Yeah. And the minister was the vegetable guy, who's also the second town troubadour.

Let's bring it back.

Yes, and he was from Freaks and Geeks is where I first saw him.

I forgot about that show.

Yeah, that was a good show. I actually, Freaks and Geeks is what led me into Gilmore Girls because I had binged it on Netflix and And when it ended, I was looking for the next thing to watch. And that was right when the revival was coming out. And so Gilmore was all over like the splash screen in Netflix.

I'm like, I'll try this.

Whenever I finish a series on Hulu, I don't know why it goes to Sabrina the Teenage Witch. And I have no idea why.

That's interesting.

I think because I remember I started watching it because I love that show growing up. And so I kind of like let it, you know, when like some of those shows, I guess like Gilmore, but some of those sitcoms you just like let them roll.

Yeah.

I was like kind of, because we were talking about it on one of our other shows and I was like, I want to go back and watch Sabrina because I love that show as a kid.

I never saw it.

Oh, it's so, it's so cute. I mean, it's very.

That was Melissa Joan Hart, right? Yes.

Yeah. Okay. It was very 90s, but like, I don't know. It's a fun, you should give it a shot. I think you would actually enjoy it. It's very.

Yeah. I like her, so I probably would like it.

It's very camp.

Yeah.

Yeah. Anyway, and it's sometimes pretty bad, but whatever.

But, you know, it was the 90s.

I mean. Yeah. And then I think the other show, what's the show with Hilary Duff? The other one comes up as suggested for me a lot. Younger.

Oh, I liked that.

I liked Younger, too. That was good. Yeah. Anyway, I don't think we have anything else to talk about this episode because now we're falling off.

I know. One minor thing, when you go back and watch it, look at the very last scene. Well, not the last, last scene. But when Dean and Rory are walking around Yale and it's all quiet and empty, you're watching it on a big TV. You can see the top of the screen. You can see over the top of the set. And because they're on a soundstage, you can see like that. You know how they have like that soundproofy blankety thing?

Yeah. Yeah.

At the very top of the.

Oh my God. Of course. Of course.

Fun little fact there.

All right. So next week we're going to be talking about the finale season four, episode 22, raincoats and recipes. We'll see you next week.

Meeting adjourned.

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