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Interdependence

von Holly Herndon, Mat Dryhurst

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Holly Herndon & Mat Dryhurst, optimistic about the 21st Century.

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  1. Myths and Machine Learning with Marianna Simnett

    In advance of the premiere of her new AI fueled gesamtkunstwerk “Gorgon”, the artist Marianna Simnett joins us to dive into mythology, mimicry and the saga of convincing tools to do what you want them to! “Gorgon” (commissioned by LAS) will

  2. The floor is moving with Shawn Reynaldo

    Over the past two decades Shawn Reynaldo has operated in every corner of electronic music. His substack "First Floor", recently anthologized into his debut book, offers a refreshingly candid account of his feelings about the turbulent state

  3. Demystifying AI training law with TechnoLlama

    Everyone and their llama is talking about AI ethics and law, so we invited the high Llama Andres Guadamuz, an eminent researcher in AI and IP, to discuss the particularities and uncertainties of AI training law, in honor of his recent paper

  4. The Permaweird with Venkatesh Rao

    After some weeks of nativity bliss and medical drama we are back! A joy to invite Venkatesh Rao to take us down a number of his bunny trails, focussing initially on his great piece The Permaweird, the latest in his Great Weirding series. We

  5. Latent space exploration with Damien Roach aka patten

    We caught up with Damien Roach, aka patten, aka 555-5555, to discuss the need for new language to navigate the abstract implications of machine learning for our understanding of art, and the limitations of the modernist approach. We also ev

  6. Mental models and next gen AI tools with Cristóbal Valenzuela (Runway)

    Runway have been on an absolute tear of late offering new AI tools for their creative production suite, so we invited CEO Cristóbal Valenzuela to join us to discuss their approach, and how the mental models of artists and greater society ma

  7. Air Age Blueprint, machine sentience and interspecies comms with K Allado-McDowell

    Hey everyone! We recently linked up with the inimitable K Allado McDowell as part of the "Death by Landscape" series at HKW Berlin to discuss their new book "Air Age Blueprint" with a live audience, out now on Ignota Books, as well as recen

  8. Dadabots: Playing with fire❤️‍🔥and extreme AI music

    Over the moon to welcome titans of AI music Dadabots! We debate the coming obsolescence of human artists, their new open source AI music organization HarmonAI, and discuss what is being prototyped on the bleeding edge of AI sound generation

  9. Synthetic 3ball and Semilla AI with Hexorcismos

    We catch up with Moisés Horta Valenzuela (Hexorcismos) to discuss his remarkable experiments with music and machine learning, and his upcoming software project Semilla that experiments with co-ownership of musician AI models shared for anyo

  10. New economic kinks and Extitutional theory with Primavera De Filippi

    Primavera De Filippi of the French National Centre for Scientific Research (CNRS) and Harvard's Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society joins us to discuss her economic experiments, her groundbreaking art project Plantoid, her novel c

  11. Covid space travel and AI rabbit holes with Andy Turner (Plaid) and Emma Catnip

    A great joy to host Andy Turner and Emma Catnip to discuss their work in celebration of the release of Plaid's latest album Feorm Falorx. We discuss their intergalactic space travel over the covid lockdown, our mutual rabbit-holing over the

  12. Other intelligences and prepping for utopia with James Bridle

    Hi everyone! Back in the saddle after an enforced little break prompted by a peculiar cluster of medical scare, pregnancy and founding a new organization. What a wild year. Thrilled to host James Bridle to discuss his recent book on ecologi

  13. Is A.I. good or bad for art? With The Culture Journalist

    Mat joined our friends Emilie & Andrea at The Culture Journalist (https://theculturejournalist.substack.com/p/mat-dryhurst-ai-midjourney-dall-e-2-spawning#details) to cover a brief history of the current wave of AI art, why artist replaceme

  14. Gamer Wagnerism and dog operas with David Kanaga

    A real joy to welcome one of our favorites David Kanaga, the composer and game designer behind Soft Valkyrie, a recent opera starring Stephen Fry and Attila Csihar, the dog opera O​ἶ​κ​o​ς​piel and more. We discuss gaming and modern composi

  15. Post-Individualism, Metalabels and Web 3 with Yancey Strickler

    A joy to welcome Yancey Stickler to discuss his idea of Post-Individualism and his new project Metalabel. We also get into his prior work founding Kickstarter, its parallels to web 3, and new proposals to fund artistic scenes. Metalabel: ht

  16. Co-creating new music economies with Tim Exile (Endlesss)

    Such a joy to have on virtuosic musician and instrument builder Tim Exile to discuss his collaborative online musical ecosystem Endlesss, the uneasy state of contemporary music, new folk traditions and what piqued his interest in web 3. Fol

  17. The state of streaming, crypto and perpetual musical nostalgia with David Turner (Penny Fractions)

    David Turner shares some of the most insightful and thorough analyses on the music industry through his Penny Fractions newsletter. We link up to discuss the current state of streaming, his skepticism about much of crypto, and his positive

  18. Inhuman Intelligence with Anil Bawa-Cavia

    Anil is one of our favorite thinkers on AI. To celebrate the advent of Anil's debut book "Logiciel: Six Seminars on Computational Reason", we try and pick apart some high level concepts on reason and computation, and discuss why recent deep

  19. Open Source AI and Stable Diffusion with Emad Mostaque

    A real pleasure to welcome Emad Mostaque to discuss the impending launch of Stable Diffusion, his comprehensive plans for open source AI infrastructure, the impending reconfiguration of how we create everything, and how artists might hope t

  20. Future instruments and generative transcultural exchange with Hanoi Hantrakul

    Wonderful to catch up with DDSP co-author Hanoi Hantrakul, whose practice considers transcultural exchange using new technologies from machine learning to 3d printing. We discuss his contribution to the 2022 AI song contest, his VST plugin

  21. Marina Abramović on the parallels between performance art and web 3

    We had a wonderfully funny chat with Marina Abramović on AI authorship and digital twins, the urgent need for heroism, and the parallels between performance art and web 3's attempts to value the immaterial. Marina Abramović's debut NFT proj

  22. Experiments in revaluing music with David Greenstein (Sound.xyz)

    We sit down with Sound.xyz (http://sound.xyz/) founder David Greenstein to discuss the many different experiments and approaches happening to revalue music within the Ethereum ecosystem, touching on Spotify, TikTok and the traditional music

  23. Doomer Optimism and the Green Pill with Kevin Owocki

    Celebrating the release of his first book "Greenpilled: How Crypto Can Regenerate The World" we welcome Kevin Owocki to discuss regenerative crypto-economics, doomer optimism, impact DAO's, public goods and crypto's relationship to the stat

  24. Building a Web 3 Sci-Fi Film Franchise with The Fringe

    Our favorite projects at the moment are finding ways to harness the generative potential of Discord communities to coordinate ambitious projects, and what THE FRINGE are building is remarkable. Already having created a bespoke successful Sc

  25. Cloud money and the Case for Cash with Brett Scott

    Wonderful to chat with Brett Scott in advance of his new book "Cloudmoney: Cash, Cards, Crypto and the War for Our Wallets" (Penguin) about the creeping incursions of cashlessness, the naivety of crypto and why cash is maybe worth keeping a

  26. Headless Bands and Lore with Songcamp

    Excited to chat with one of the most exciting projects in the music and crypto field, Songcamp, and the world's first headless band, Chaos! Camp Chaos: https://www.chaos.build/ Songcamp: https://songcamp.mirror.xyz/ Follow Mark: https://twi

  27. Genetic algorithms and limit experiences with Harm van den Dorpel

    Welcoming crypto art legend and valued Interdependence subscriber Harm van den Dorpel on the podcast to discuss scarcity, genetic algorithms, managing expectations, limit experiences and his upcoming work, Markov's Dream Follow Harm: https:

  28. 🌀Mayan AI music, ancestral technologies and spirals with Debit 🌀

    Celebrating the release of Debit's album "The Long Count", composed using machine learning tools trained on the worlds largest archive of Mayan wind instruments! We discuss the genesis of the project, working with the gorgeous grain of nasc

  29. Arguing cryptos case in music with the Money 4 Nothing podcast

    Hi everyone! Something different this week. After listening to some great episodes pulling apart the Bandcamp Epic Games acquisition and showing some skepticism about Web 3, I approached Money 4 Nothing podcast to have a convivial discussio

  30. Prepping for the metaverse with Sterling Crispin

    We are happy to be back after Mat's COVID trip, discussing art prepping, Sterling's upcoming ArtBlocks piece, and his expert opinions on the state of ML, AR, VR and what is worth watching (and ignoring) about the impending metaverse. Sterli

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