AI in Business Strategy for Human First Leaders ft Landi Jac

0:00 I see the human experience as the foundation of everything you know, and, and the backdrop of that in in my personal belief system is you, you have a soul and then the soul go, I want to have an experience on planet earth and then that soul comes and it has a human experience in order to express itself.

0:18 Now I believe that human, which is us has got incredible abilities and incredible power. And I think AI is only an expression of that. And that's why what we is seeing in technology around us, for me, is always a reminder of what we are capable of, that therefore I see the human as the superpower and I see AI in technology only as a way to enhance those superpowers. So if you look at it from that point of view, the one can't be against the other.

0:49 The one is enhancing and improving the other. So I think, you know, if you are comfortable in your skin, being a human, you can never really be threatened by technology, including I, I. Before we dive back into today's conversation, I want to share something important. This episode includes a pay partnership with Better Help, a platform designed to make starting therapy easier.

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2:52 Real live, ladies and gentlemen, you're once again welcome to the Kingdom's podcast, and today I have with me. A professional fighter fighting out of Cape Town, South Africa, by way of running away from London, England. Mcwalker Lundy, the CEO of The Cycle of Excellence. Jaw how are you glad I'm. Good, Adibola, what an introduction. It's wonderful to be here with you and your listeners. Wow for for for 30.

3:27 Seconds right there. You're thinking, oh, I'm a fighter now. You'll never know what I really think, Adibola. So. So some things are left are best left unsaid, you know? Exactly. You can do. Questions here the line. Well, you know, Landy just like London, but Landy left London because she's too beautiful for London. And you know we have a bone to peek with you, Landy. You do.

3:58 I'm ready. We. Do we do have a boat to peek with you? Anyways, you you're, you're globetrotter, you know, and I just wonder what your passport, your passport must look like. It looks like a circus of Ebola, to be very honest with you. And I don't have one passport. I have two at this stage. At some stage I had five because I had to.

4:18 Keep on getting. A passport and because of the stamps and it drives you crazy because you travel sometimes and then they actually go for a brand new stamp, a brand new page, and they put the stamp on there. And sometimes I just want to say to them, can't you see there's more space on that page? But I've got a lot of stamps.

4:34 You can call me a stamp collector. You know it's a global. Scrapbook for stamps. You know, you are a stamp collector and you know, it's, it's, it's interesting. You remind me of that Drake song. She's she's to call me on a cell phone. I wish she needs someone. And, you know, there's a point where he says running out of pages on a cell, on a passport. I've not heard the song but it's exactly that. You should go listen to that song. So you have run out of pages on your passport. And of course, Drake was thinking about. You.

5:08 It's Drake, of course it's Drake, Yeah. You're very rude because you don't even know the song. All I can say is sorry, sorry. Apologies. You should be apologising to Drake, you know, been around the world, right? Are you able to share like? One unforgettable experience from one of your travels.

5:35 I have so many unforgettable experiences and I think that's why we travel, you know, So one of the things that always sticks by me is we've got a, our brand is super of excellence, but we have another brand called Young Entrepreneur X Factor. And these are bunch of young teens and tweens that actually pitch their businesses in Malaysia.

5:58 And then when we go and visit there, you can just imagine, you can just imagine these kids standing on stage and pitching their ideas for the future. And I always find that hugely inspiring because we always judge us in that competition. But it blows my mind when I see that in terms of the younger generations and what they coming up with in terms of entrepreneurship and how they see themselves already as global citizens. So I see myself now as a global citizen. I didn't get schooling as a global citizen, but those kids, they're now getting schooled as global citizens. And I find that hugely inspiring. But if you want to talk about experiences, when I travel, there's hundreds and thousands I

6:40 can share with you. And that's, that's just wonderful to be able to do that because travel expands your mind, makes your world bigger. Exactly. You know, I tell people travel is a very big part of our education there. There was a guest who who said something about me. She says you are a modern day business philosopher. You know, so for me, one of my philosophies is that human capacity is actually a function of your education, your exposure and your enlightenment.

7:15 And of course, be part of your education and your exposure is your travel. You know, I do have, I do have an episode, you know, that had a subtitle. You know, think global but act local. Yeah. It's always, yeah, it's always very, very essential to to think global, you know, be a global citizen, think beyond, you know, the the ecosystem of the environment that you're in. And technology has actually helped to make the world, you know, a global village.

7:48 So there's there is no excuse for you not to not not to think global, thinking global. You have actually had that privilege to work in over 50 countries, so what's 1 universal business principle that you have seen succeed everywhere regardless of the race and demographics and culture? At Emolla, relationships, relationships that you have with people and I think so many people, you know, I'm a big fan of tech. I'm a Gemini so you know this AI named after us so I should be a very big fan of tech.

8:28 I'm just good. Google Gemini. I'm a brother. Who's Gemini? What, what, what? What's your birthday? 20th of June, 20th of June. So I'm like, wow, you're. Getting close in stock. I know in Chinese culture, I'm a snake, so I'm actually a Gemini fire snake, So I'm really big on technology. But I can tell you doesn't matter where you go, what culture, what country, it's the relationships you have with people that really makes a difference. And I think, you know, there's such a debate going on at the moment, AI versus human and which one is most important. And it's my honest belief that if the two could work together and you'll know, we'll hit the sweet spot because, you know, if you can combine the intelligence

9:14 of AI and the technology out there, as you would know, with the relationships you have with people that you continuously build, those people are always the most successful people. The ones who harness bonds and relationships with people and has the ability to get other people to trust them as an expert in their field. And they combine it with technology and innovation, which are tools in order to not only build business, but to, you know, continue your reach in terms of having more relationships with people find regardless of countries or cultures, that's the same.

9:49 In fact, the more you travel, the more you don't see differences anymore. You start seeing more similarities. And I think that's one of the reasons we travel. You know, me and Mike, my husband says doesn't matter what culture or country or race you encounter or background or ethnicity, most people we come across want three things. They want to have love, They want to have money, and they struggle to trust.

10:18 Same across the world. Yeah. Interesting stuff you know are episode 84 of my podcast is actually titled. Humans. Humans first. AI Next How to lead adapter and thrive in the age of intelligence. I love that. Humans first, AI next. I love that. You know, I I love that you are touching. On, you know, AI, it's a topic that is very, very, very dear to my heart.

10:49 You know, I love AI. I see that a lot of people have misconceptions about AI. Right from me. My philosophy is that AI has come to stay. AI is the greatest tool that has been put in the hands of humans. Yeah. And AI is a tsunami. Yeah, it's a tsunami. It's either you you go with the flow or. The flow takes you a longer.

11:20 Yeah, I. Agree there. There's no middle point, you know? But what's? Your quick take, you know AI and how it is impacting the global business landscape and what are the possibilities that we can achieve with the assistance of AI? Yeah, good question, Adimola. I, I see human, the human experience, and you might enjoy this as a philosopher, a thick philosopher, I see the human experience as the foundation of everything.

11:57 And you know, and, and the backdrop of that in, in my personal belief system is you, you have a soul. And then the soul go, I want to have an experience on planet Earth, and then that soul comes and it has a human experience in order to express itself. Now, I believe that human, which is US, has got incredible abilities and incredible power.

12:19 And I think AI is only an expression of that. And that's why what we're seeing in technology around us, for me, is always a reminder of what we are capable of, That therefore I see the human as the superpower, and I see AI in technology only as a way to enhance those superpowers. So if you look at it from that point of view, the one can't be against the other. The one is enhancing and improving the other. So I think, you know, if you are comfortable in your skin being a human, you can never really be threatened by technology, including AI.

12:58 And, you know, look at the world at the moment. Look at us on our phones, look at us on our computers. Did we not have the same level of resistance to change back then? So Can you imagine someone taking your phone and your computer and everything away from you? Now go, you know, Can you imagine someone taking a Wi-Fi away from us?

13:17 So I'll tell you this quick story. You know, me and my husband has just finished a corporate stint where we did some keynotes on a roadshow for a corporate financial services company. And they had my husband up first in his talks. And he was talking about conscious leadership, which is a topic that's very close to his heart. And I was talking about energy and peak performance. And you know how we can actually become the best version of ourselves.

13:42 And then we were followed by a guy, Hein Wagner, who's blind since birth. And, and you know, he blew my mind as the third keynote speaker in this roadshow because he was basically saying to the audience, look, people, I've been using AI for me just as a blind person. In fact, if it wasn't for AI as a blind person, there's so many experiences and communication opportunities and business and new generation that I wouldn't have been able to do.

14:12 And he's, he shared with us with the audience that there's now an AI functionality out that allows him for the first time as a blind person, to take his phone and take a picture of a piece of art. And then this tells him, this is the piece of art in front of you. This is who wrote it. This is the texture.

14:30 This is the philosophy. This is what the artist is all about. This is a story and that blew my mind. I thought, wow, here we're going on, we're sitting in a debate, AI or not AI, There's people with disabilities, there's people, you know, with with all sorts of things that's been using it for ages.

14:46 And in many respects, I think sometimes we're a little bit behind. And can't you call the algorithms on your mobile phone AI anyway? You know, the person is using with a pacemaker and walking with a pacemaker in their heart. Is that not AI anyway? And I also think, you know, if you if you in a position where nothing is threatening you, then of course you can say, oh, I don't need AI, I'm a human, blah, blah, blah.

15:12 But what if the day come when you need an organ and AI is going to print that organ for you? Would you still be that much against AI or would you go actually, I am now really open to seeing what this can do for us. So, you know, you have a podcast that is about what AI can do in the health industry.

15:31 And I really want to encourage your, your listeners to go check that one out, you know, because. Thank you. Thank you for the plug. I'm. Not trying to before AI or against AI, I'm just saying, you know, maybe we have been living with AI for quite some time, many people has and why did we look at AI as something that enhances the human experience and the creative proceeds as opposed to say it's human versus AI or you know, robot or whatever. Never.

16:02 It's never human versus AI, but I think a lot of those guys who are the proponents or anti AI people, I guess they've seen too many sci-fi movies. Maybe AAI comes up with a revolution to destroy the world and to destroy the human race. And let's be, you know, fair. Maybe maybe they have a point.

16:27 You know, maybe there is intelligence in robotics that can, you know, get to the point. I wouldn't say get to the point where it precedes human intelligence because it's already preceded human intelligence. I think for the first time in history, artificial intelligence is proceeding a human intelligence to the point where we no longer going to be the one giving instructions.

16:48 It can now give us instructions. So maybe some of you, you know, scaremongers or maybe some of the people listening here today have a point. I think is, you know, that the point is we don't know. We have to be open to to see what happens and I guess take the consequences of our actions. Are you talking about the point? But I'll ask you what is the point in a pointless point? But it's it's way above my my grade so so. You just keep driving to.

17:22 Nowhere like three or two complete. What is the point in a pointless point? It's just clear you know why. It's when you can collaborate. Yeah, well, I like that. That's why I hate if we can collaborate, right? And I think that is that is the point here. So why would we be stuck in this fights between the human experience and AI as an enhancer if we can't much rather use our time and see how these things can hold hands and bring good into the world?

17:55 You said to me previously, Arimola, that you, you're a conscious person, you you're in business, but you would you see yourself as an enlightened leader? So why are we not having these conversations? Why are we having conversations about who's wrong and is right? Why don't we look at collaboration and opportunities to make the world a better place?

18:14 Human and AI? Well, you went with the help of AI, right? The humans collaborating with AI and I can say for free I'm very proud to say that the point at which I started, you know using AI, you know in the production process of this broadcast you know I did experience significant growth on the forecast we're currently on 10,000 plus subscribers on YouTube and.

18:45 Congratulations. Thank you very much. And we are growing. We are growing. We are. We're going for bigger milestones and AI has actually been a very, very instrumental part of the growth. So I am a very, very big proponent of the use of AI for scaling up, for growth, for learning. You know, AI has endless possibilities. Trust me and I.

19:12 Want to believe? And I encourage everyone you know, yeah, under the impact of my voice to please, if you were anti AI before, just, you know, have a rethink. Try it a little bit. Try it a little bit, yeah. Why can't you collaborate? Exactly. You see the growth. Absolutely. Adam Muller, Just to give your listeners an idea.

19:37 I mean, you know, as a person is on the road all the time, you, you really have to watch what you eat and the lifestyle you live because you will just get super unhealthy. Because if you're on the road all the time, you, you constantly tell yourself, you know, you only live once and you're only this country once and you only have this experience once. So you just become completely undisciplined and, and hedonistic, right?

19:58 So you just try everything and eat of it. So for years I've been trying to find this formula on the road for me, what will work for my health and for my body weight and for my height and for the foods I prefer. And then? Can you just make the formula more complex by saying I'm not like other people who can prepare food, you know, at home I'm in restaurants all the time, winning and dining people. So I've been on Googling, Googling all the time, Googling what will be the best solution.

20:27 And literally like this is an 8 year process of Googling, Googling and finding a formula. And literally in the last few weeks, because of our friend AI, you know, I'm able to go now to AI and say, look my buddy, because it is my buddy, right? It's my best buddy at the moment. I can say to AI, please come up with a formula for a female who's this age, who's this high to weigh this much, who's on the road, all the. Time.

20:54 Once giving us really customised solutions to our problems. So and again, you know, speaking not for against these people who's going to be listening to die inside landing, but there's a classic example of how it's going to cost people their jobs. Yes, think it's going to cost millions of people their jobs because of the quality of the solutions that this is going to provide. But because of that, I also think it's going to create millions of jobs.

21:22 Yeah, new opportunities, those of guests on this broadcast who said you're not going to leave your job to AI, you're going to leave your job to your colleague who is good at utilising AI. Wow, isn't that a really good point? And I mean what? What does it mean to be good at utilising AI? In my personal experience over the past few months, the ability to ask quality questions, the ability to breathe, I think is just going to put you a cut above the wrist, the ability to prompt.

21:49 That's what I was waiting. For, you know, because of word the prompt, you know garbage. In garbage. Out exactly the why you gonna? Prompt. Don't worry. Quality of your life is going to come down to the way the quality of you prompting AI. There you go. That's. What it's the prompt. So someone, somebody was attacking me saying, oh, you like using AIT?

22:13 March, you know, using your human. Brain blah blah blah Excuse me, I am a. Gifted individual you know I did my IQ test I'm in the one 30s so naturally gifted, you know so I. You've got. A prom. You. Can so the only guys ahead of me are the geniuses and good luck. You know. Yeah. Albert Einstein and Co, You know, I'm just, you know, a head's breath below you guys. But I'm cool.

22:40 I'm cool in my region so. Well, you can prompt, right? You have the ability to really ask quality questions. And I think if you have an imagination, and a lot of people think it's going to take our imagination away. No, no, no. No, Take your imagination and prompt. So imagination plus prompting.

22:57 Can you imagine Adimola? What's going to come out of? It exactly. You know AI is used to optimise your solutions, right? Yeah. Absolutely. The optimality is dependent on the human intelligence that is training that artificial intelligence. So we are in the age and time where we have the height of artificial intelligence.

23:22 But you know the paradox. We are also in the age of time, of the height of human foolishness. Yeah. There's a lot of, unfortunately. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of information out there, but check out the kind of stupid and foolish and I don't know, very lame questions that people ask even you on a day-to-day basis. And you'd be like, you know what I do? I'm like, OK, excuse me, Do you have a phone? They say yes.

23:50 Is it a smartphone? Yes. Have you been banned from Google? They say no. Have you been banned from user ChatGPT? I say, you know what? Just take your phone. Just type. Type that thing inside type it. Thank you, you got an answer. I know you're. Like or anything I. Mean like, why are you like this?

24:06 Excuse me? Like you should use technology you know. Yeah, yeah. But I think, you know, people will catch up. Remember, it took people years to catch up, you know, with with computers, then it was called computers, then it was laptops, then it was mobile technology. I mean, I remember the days when we all were working on calculators and then suddenly we were going from the calculator to the Excel sheet and we were freaked out. Everyone was freaked out.

24:32 We thought we were going to be so we're going to be so dumbed down or whatever. So, so I just think this is another one of those quantum leaps, but I think this is quite a big one. You know, it's quite interesting. I'm a millennial, you know. Right. Yeah. I'm a billionaire and I clocked 33 April.

24:53 And I think back, I look at the technological evolution that I've experienced in my in my lifetime. You know, I feel like, I feel like I am old, but not too old. And I feel like I'm young but not too young. Yeah. You really? Sort of want to bring onto you. Yeah, I. You know, I was talking between the Gen ZS and you know.

25:11 Yeah, the Generation X and there's that generation of war going on between the Generation X and the Gen ZS because, you know, the Gen ZS are more, you know, tech pro, but the Gen XS are, you know, not very, not very tech savvy and. We as millennials. Are now in between that and diplomats between the generation X, you know?

25:36 You're like the uncles of the of the generation to balance the two generations. That makes you facilitators, you're actually facilitators of this process, which is extraordinary to be part of that, absolutely extraordinary to be part of that. And so it's going to be interesting how it applies to like you say the different generations. But you know, I have to say, I've met, I've met as many Gen XS who's not for tech as they are for tech. And I've met as many millennials who are really big on tech, but millennials who also is going, we don't want this. We don't want this with our children. We want more of organic experience. I want to be off the grid, whatever. So this it's, it's difficult to

26:23 generalise at the moment in terms of, you know, who's for and who's against. I think it's becoming such a personal thing. Like I mentioned, the guy was born from from birth. You know, he's, he's if, if I'm correct, probably either between X or he's between the X and the boomer. And I mean, he's been so savvy on AI technology because he had to.

26:45 And then, you know, he's a mother. Of invention. Many times I walk now into cafes all across the world owned by millennials, and then you go, hey, can I get the Wi-Fi code? And then they go, no, we don't do. We don't do yeah, human conversations. Then I'm like, I really need my wife, my. What is what is your calendar?

27:07 Are you in 1992? Yeah, well. I think we have to embrace both. I think we have to embrace both. I think it's like, you know, these different perspectives coming together around the table, having a conversation that's going to make the sweet spot pop. That's where the beauty is going to lie. So yeah, everyone else, you know, that's what we're all trying to do is, yeah, everyone up.

27:29 You know, this organisation, I'm not sure if you're aware of them. It's called the Human Library. I've not been involved with them myself, but I really want. It seems like you're reading my mind because I was going to tell you about how I used to use the library, you know, the manual searches, you know, and now we now have optimised, you know, search engine optimization. Why are?

27:51 You. But I can read mine. That's what my community will tell you, so beware. But you know those. Landy Landy reading of Mind in London. I know the human library bring these different perspectives together and prompt here we go again, a conversation. So I'm I've been sitting on the sideline watching this AI human conversation and thoroughly enjoy it because there's valid points in each sides of the corner. That's with everything, right?

28:20 Interested. Yeah, as with everything in life and, of course, talking on consciousness, right, Your circle of Accidents club actually focuses heavily, heavily on conscious leadership. And you say it's something that is very close to the heart of your husband, right. So can't you quickly elaborate on what conscious leadership means to you and why it is crucial?

28:41 For it's a premiers you know today like myself and yourself? Well, Adimola, we believe that and this is a slogan we use to explain conscious leadership. We believe that making a difference is as important as making a profit. You know, in entrepreneurship, the focus is really on on making money. And I think there there's a lot of people, especially in the spiritual space would say, you know, and the money's not important, but the money is important, right? I mean, you need decision making power. And I do believe if the money wasn't important, then you should have just remained the spirit, you know, because part of the human experience is coming here and learning what it means to be a human being.

29:23 And I think one of the toughest lessons is, you know, learning who you are and having that express in a company, in a brand and ultimately become profitable. But then with that, you, you also want to have meaning in your life and you want to have purpose. And in US working with premium entrepreneurs around the world, many times they come to us because they're making a lot of money and the profit is there, but they have lost their purpose and they don't understand why they're here.

29:51 Others would come and say, look, I have a purpose, but I'm still not making enough money. And I want to scale and you know, I want to make a lot of money and I want to scale because I want to bring my message out. So it really seems like these two work together, making a profit and making a difference. So for us, a conscious leader, as a person who's holistic in their approach, they're more of an open minded entrepreneur. They accept responsibility for making money and for doing it in a responsible way.

30:20 In other words, not just have a business that's built around you, but something that can scale and have a legacy, but also want to leave the world a better place when they die one day. And believe it or not, there's a lot of people who actually believe they're immortal and they're not going to die. But when they die one day that either the business can continue or the message can continue and that they've left the legacy. They maybe, you know, they, they helped the planet to be a better place.

30:45 Maybe their family is a better unit because of them. Maybe their community is a better place because of them. And so we believe in that holistic approach to build business as an entrepreneur with the right business formulas that's tried and tested, but also to have a mindset that is healthy and that that helps you to show up as the best version of yourself and to consider spirituality, whatever that means for you. You know, with a spirituality view is a God or universe or astrology or the elements or you know what, whatever, you know, maybe it's ancestral view, maybe it's about taking your your ancestral line forward.

31:23 Maybe it's for you sitting in church and being religious. It doesn't really matter to us, but the fact is that you consider business and profit next to a mindset at that things of potential and possibility and is inclusive plus making a difference on this planet and and spirituality and the unknown or whatever that means to you. Well, you are trespassing into my garden and good. Yeah, my my philosophical garden. I think a few episodes ago I disclosed a new philosophy, philosophical theory that, you know, I propounded and I said in order to be a well-rounded person. And this is born out of the fact that I have actually had the privilege to speak with successful people across all of the continents in the world.

32:19 And I keep sit back to ask myself, what is a common denominator? What makes these people successful? Beautiful. What did you find? It it came to one word, you know, do you do you want to know what that word is? Fitness. And fitness has fitness, You know, you know it. It actually has, you know, a quadruple side to it. It has a quadrant.

32:46 You have to be spiritually fit, you have to be mentally fit, you have to be physically fit and you have to be financially fit. There you go then. You've got a blueprint for life, right? Almost like the medicine wheel of the comments. So tell me, tell me, what do you think? About that, because you've actually spoken to two different aspects of the contract.

33:11 Yeah, we, we actually, we, we teach very similar to what you did there. We talk about mental fitness, we talk about physical fitness, we talk about emotional fitness and spiritual fitness. The financial fitness for us lies in the same quadrant and the physical fitness because it's material things. But we are very values aligned and very much on the same page. And you know, I always say to people, if you feel you're stuck or you don't know where to develop yourself, person, you're professional.

33:39 Just go back to that blueprint that you so beautifully put out there for people and school yourself. You know, school yourself in your physical fitness or if you want to call it financial fitness and ask, be honest with yourself and say, what am I scoring here? Am I two out of 10? AM I 11 out of 10?

33:55 You know you've arrived, go to your mental fitness score yourself, AM I5 out of 10, AM I 6 out of 10 and just get a snapshot with with those quadrants and look at where you are. And then you, you know where to actually focus your attention on. But I think what's difficult for people at the moment is that can't focus. Our entrepreneurs, our listeners will identify. It's difficult to focus because we're getting distracted. We're getting distracted by Instagram, we're getting distracted by grog.

34:26 We're getting the scrap, the scrap, you know, all these things, all these theories and all these debates and all these geopolitical things that's going on. And we're getting so distracted that we forget to develop ourselves in those four quadrants. And I think that's where people are struggling at the moment.

34:44 Balance is essential and you know that's. Why? Yeah, right from time. To see you should take a balanced diet. Exactly. We should be taking a balanced diet. Yeah. But balanced diet is also not just what you eat, but it's also how much fun you having, how hard you work, you know, whether you're on AI all the time or whether you form in bonds with people all the time. It's it's, I think it's a story of the human life. It's the story of business.

35:10 It's the story of everything. It's the story of our psychology is to try and find balance and all these options that's available to us at the moment. Well, for, for you how, how do you get it achieve that, you know, violence and avoid burnout because burnout is a very, very serious issue. And if you achieve that balance and you're able to avoid burnout, you're able to continuously perform at your peak. Yeah, yeah.

35:40 What you what? What's What's the secret? I'm going to give you a very, very, very boring answer. It's a boring answer. I. Love boring answers. It's a boring. You like structure and systems, right? So this is a boring. This is the answer is rules. You have to put rules in your life and rules that fit you.

36:05 So one of the rules I have to avoid burnout, especially given that we all over the show living out of suitcases in airports. You know, we can land in the country and then suddenly have three events on the same day or three meetings on the same day or whatever. So we have to have rules because we live such a freedom lifestyle.

36:25 We have to have ten time more rules in our lives than other people, otherwise we'll be fat and unhappy very, very quickly like that, right? It happens overnight. You drop the ball and it happens overnight. And drop the ball. You drop the ball. So one of the rules, one of the rules, exactly 1 of the rules we have is that we work from Monday to Thursday like dogs, right?

36:51 We get up early, we work hard, we have many meetings, We have lots of activity. We pack it in there, let me tell you. But then we do not necessarily work with clients on a Friday, Saturday and Sundays. Maybe on a Friday we'll work on our business, maybe we'll do some strategy, maybe me and Mike will go and sit in hotel.

37:14 We like to sit in five star hotels at the very top where we have a vision, a bigger vision, and we may have our personal meeting or we are writers, both of us. So we may write on a Friday, whatever, but no client can access us on a Friday. And then we just don't work on weekends. Come Ally Water, we don't do it.

37:35 Occasionally we run events and then we'll have an event on a weekend. But when we had an event on a weekend, we have to take the Monday and the Tuesday off to make up for that. So we've put those rules in our lives. One of the big things that got me to burn out many moons ago, it was e-mail. I was working for a corporate way before I was a entrepreneur, and we received those days. 500 emails a day.

37:59 Not spam emails, not like automated emails, 500 requests a day. And we couldn't reach our goals in the department I was working for because of answering emails. And I'll never forget it. I worked for this woman and she came into the department and she was already going, why are your goals not reached and what's going on?

38:19 And we all like because we working on emails all the time, we don't get any time for for anything else. And she said what emails? And I said we have 500 emails. So I alone that I have to answer. And she was like show me. And she came around my computer and she was leaning over my shoulder and she looked at all my emails and she went edit, select all, delete.

38:43 She deleted all my emails of the day. And I nearly freaked out anymore. I was like, what have you just done? And she said to me, here's the moment that changed my life. She said to me if it's urgent, they'll call you or text. Exactly, exactly. That is what I always say, You know, like I've said this on this podcast.

39:01 Before this is my phone. My phone is permanently on do not disturb and I unapologetic about it. But it's important you'll. Call me more than once. Right. There's a lot. Of notifications, there are a lot of what? You know, we tend to confuse, you know, urgent, important. Something. Can be important but not urgent.

39:22 If it's urgent, you need to do it now. If it's important, it means you need to do it at some point. So if it's so urgent and important, you know, do it now. If it's important but not urgent, you can delay it, right? If it's not important and it's not urgent, just ignore it. You know, you just need to learn.

39:40 How? To do that right there. And you know, after that experience, because I was sitting there shocked, but you could literally, yeah. My narrow pathways, my brain going, oh, it's, it's readjusting itself. And since then, I've been off e-mail. So I've been off e-mail for 10 years now. I use e-mail only to register for stuff. You know, and to create a profile, but I have not used e-mail for communication for 10 years. I basically communicate with all my clients via WhatsApp. You know, I have clients all over the world. We, we do WhatsApp calls and we WhatsApp each other back and forth.

40:17 And you can upload a lot of documents in WhatsApp. And if it's really big documents, then I use it with Dropbox, you know, and so or you know, any other file sharing software and it's worked for me. Absolutely. You know, a lot of people tend to react, not respond, right. And when you are in that reaction mode, he feels like people are stealing your time. So you always need to be in control of your time. And of course, you know, identify items that are important, urgent and know how to deal with them accordingly. Back to you.

40:53 You, you talk about playing a bigger game, you know, which could you share? Like that transformative moment in which your life was propelled into a bigger playing field. You know, the more love playing a bigger game is I don't think an action plan or a task or even an ambition. I think playing a bit of game is a feeling that arises in you.

41:18 And previously we spoke about Africa and how proud we to be African and how Africa is rising. About African heritage. African heritage I'm born in Africa for the listeners, So if you may be looking at me and you're a bit confused and. You speak African. Exactly how old is it? I'm born in South Africa, so I identify as an African. There's no other country or continent was born in. But so for me, playing a bigger game is a feeling that starts to rise in a person.

41:54 And a lot of our premium clients approach us for that reason where they feel that they, that they are meant for more. They feel that they mean to achieve more. They feel there's something in them that's itching and it needs to be scratched. And that something can be, look, I, my business has to be so much bigger because my message needs to reach so many more people. Or there's maybe a remembrance that, you know, I came to this planet because I was supposed to invent something that's going to help a lot of people.

42:29 Or it's a feeling of stuckness. It's a feeling that I'm no longer playing a bigger game. I'm stuck in a chapter and I need to get out of this chapter come hella high water, you know? So therefore, for US, playing a bigger game is not just about business. Business many times come into the equation because entrepreneurs, many of them want to play a bigger game in business.

42:53 But when you dig deeper, you find is you find out that they want to play a bigger game in business because there's another area that they feel they need to move to the next level. Maybe they want to become a leader in their field. Maybe they see something that's completely unjust in their community and they want to set it right and they want to maybe fight for justice or they want to, you know, they see they, they, their parents is getting older and they see that their parents can't afford to retire and they want to play a bigger game to help them in to honour them.

43:25 You know, all they see that, you know, there's people who's got no legs and you know, they, they don't have opportunities because of that. And they were, they were inventor at heart and they want to develop something day and night they sit and want to develop something that's going to make this person be able to stand up and be independent again. And we have so many success stories with our clients of people who want to play a bigger game. They want to play a bigger game because they're Olympian and they want to do better.

43:54 They want to play a bigger game because they're an international speaker. And now they they want to become the president of the Global Speaker Federation. It's a person who want to focus on people who don't have their voice and develop a coaching product or package and that's going to be their bigger game. It's a person who have developed a supplementation that they believe is going to change everyone's life. So those are the type of player bigger game. It's a it's a person who has a business but feel that not being a very good partner or their relationship with people has always failed and they want to understand how they can be the best version of themselves.

44:28 It's play a bigger game is so many things, but it's a feeling for people and they approach us because that feeling is driving them literally inside. So basically it's about unlocking the next level or higher dimension in a specific area of your life where you feel you're unwanted interested. And we facilitate that process. We don't tell people this is how you do it. Of course, we've got a lot of business formulas tried and tested.

44:58 I mean, we've ran so many business masterminds from all over the world where we ask entrepreneurs, what's your problems? And then we come up with solutions and duplicate those. So we have the business formulas, We have these formulas that will make people more successful and help them scale their businesses and be more profitable. But many times that's only the start of the process. That is only the start of the process of facilitating. But why are you really doing this? You know, in what way is your business really an expression of who you are and what did you really come to do? Yeah.

45:32 And what is your message and what is your legacy? So it's the combination of those things that I think make a person go boom. Interesting. So from your experience, you're actually interacted and observed, you know, of business leaders? Yeah. What do you think separates the good from the great when it comes to leadership?

45:54 Lifelong student, ability to learn. I think the leader who think they've arrived, they've reached a glass ceiling. So you know that they're at a point, it's sad to witness, actually. They're at a point where they think they can't be tutored anymore. They can't learn anything else. They might think because of their age, you know, no one can teach them anything anymore, especially a younger person.

46:20 Maybe they think because of a certain material gain that they've now reached a point where no one can actually expose them. And I think that's the word for me, lifelong learning, which is something that I really believe in. That's why I travel. I travel because the more I find out, the less I know.

46:38 The more I travel, the more cultures, the more I get, the more I realised, look, Lundy Jack, you know nothing, You know nothing, right? And and we. Find nothing, Jon Snow. Nothing. I don't know. You you're peeping into another episode. I'm. Telling you. I said, I said I, I said the more you know. The more you get to know that you don't know. Yeah, that's true.

46:59 The more I. Down the rabbit hole. And that's why I'm. A. Proud lifelong student. There, that's the thing and that that's answering your question. The ones that really excel is hungry. They are hungry and they want to learn. And they don't just want to learn from a preconceived idea of what a teacher can be.

47:20 They want to expose themselves. They want to be in as many situations as possible because ultimately that is what expands their minds and that is what sort of tickles their fancy. And that is what, you know, feed the imagination, prompt the human imagination to go, wow. You know, there's options and potential possibilities that is in this.

47:47 And I think that's for me the beauty about diversity because you can't travel if you don't want to embrace diversities. Travelling puts you in situations where you sometimes really do well with diversity. You go, wow, in this situation, I'm adaptable and I'm flexible. And then you come in other situations, other diverse experience, and you go, I am the worst person I am in in this situation.

48:10 I'm so open to diversity and I naturally flow into inclusivity. But then I get into a different situation. Good, this gracious. I didn't know I was so stubborn. I didn't know I was resistant to change. I can't understand how difficult it is for me to get aligned to this culture and to understand the differences.

48:28 You have to put yourself in that soup, you know, to really value where you excel and where you're not doing that well, you know, and then stretch yourself. And and that's why we do what we do is to put ourselves in that situation. And extending on your question, what makes a leader really excel is I don't, I don't only think it's a person who's willing to learn. I think it's someone also who's comfortable with discomfort. They understand that they're.

48:59 Comfortable being uncomfortable. Oh, it's. Not going to be easy, you know, society has now taught us positive affirmations and the learning experience and it's going to be roses all the time. Hashtag not true, Not true, not true. Do you want to? Do you want to know what's written on my wall? Yeah, please read that for me. OK, things to remember.

49:24 Tomorrow is a new day. Making mistakes is part of life. There you go. Not everyone has to like you. Keep an optimistic attitude. Beauty and strength come from within. Do. You know that from the top of your mind. Alright, yeah. What did you read that? Kinda, yeah, I can really. I can see it on the screen and it's it's. Really cool.

49:46 That's really cool, huh? You basically got your value system up against your wall. Isn't that incredible? Thank you. You know, that's why we need landing in London. Andy from London is now living in South Africa. I did live in, I did live in London for a year. I loved every moment. I'm very fond of London. I'm very fond of, you know, the country where you buy a poem for a pound under the bridges.

50:13 You know, it's very inspiring. Wow. Well, thank. Thank you, London, Mrs Landy and we. Need. Landy to land in London? Yeah, I bought a poem under a bridge next to the Times River in London, and it was called For a Pound. And the guy was sitting there, poet, artist, and he was writing, writing his poems.

50:35 And he would look at you and then he would pick a poem that he believes was written for you even before he met you. And the poem was called Blue Moon. I'll never forget. But find this type of stuff in London, right? That's why I always look back to London with founders. I had such epiphanies and breaks or experiences. You know the saying London makes you or breaks you. I believe it made me.

50:58 And I'll always be grateful for London for that. Oh. Wow, love and respect to London. Yeah, London. Whoa. That's actually true. It does make you or break. You. But, you know, that's it. Yeah. You, you just have to be resilient and discover yourself. Yeah, it does help you discover yourself, Yeah. Absolutely.

51:20 I love London for that. Yeah, me too. I'm on the same fight with you. We are still angry you're not on the same page with us. We are still angry you run away from us until you come back. We'll keep fighting you. Yeah, no, I like, I will be back and we've been back many times. We've been back to London many times.

51:39 So we, we love going there. It's just, well, I love going there. My husband doesn't like London that much, but I do. And I think that's, that's the thing with London, it's a very polarising energy. You love it or you hate it. You, you never find a person to go. People have strong opinions. They go, oh, I love London or they go, I never want to go to London again. Interesting, isn't it?

52:02 Interesting, you know, and of course I remember the British transfer system, see it say it's sorted, you know. CFL there. You go. There you go. You know, like even that global. Experience like how do you ensure that your global teams remain aligned and motivated despite the cultural differences and of course, the geographical distances?

52:28 Well, I think #1 values, right? So for us, values is very, very important. And we have certain values that we've instilled in our culture. Love is obviously a huge value for us. Consciousness is a huge value for us. Doing things like, you know, doing the right thing is a huge value for us. Excellence is a huge, huge value for us.

52:47 You know, so I think the first thing for us when we get a team member on board is to take 10 times more time. And you must listen because there's alarm in the background. So this is a very important point to take 10 times more time to align with values than to, you know, anything else. So I think traditionally when we do interviews or we get teams on on border, we focus a lot of the competence and competence is important, but we don't, you know, focus on value.

53:21 So for me and Mike and building our team around the world, we probably have at this stage about 33 people around the world working with us, not for us. And we values align. So we dream the same dream. We want the same thing and we're on the same page when it comes to values. After that, we feel competence can be trained.

53:43 We believe in regular communication in easy ways like WhatsApp. We believe in doing voice notes back and forth to each other where you can hear the tone of voice so that misunderstandings doesn't happen. Another thing about, you know, e-mail that I don't like the the misunderstandings can happen so quickly.

54:01 So we believe in doing that. We believe in getting online and having regular check insurance with each other. And then of course me and Mike do believe in buying the tickets, getting on the airport, getting on the aeroplane and seeing people face to face. There's incredible value. And that as well because it's about building that relationship. Now, I can't say you can't do that online, but it's wonderful if you go and see a person.

54:25 I think there's many people around the world that doesn't, that don't go and visit their teams. They they only do the the Riverside or the Zoom or the whatever they might be using or WhatsApp or whatever. Riverside, why are you? And you know, I got it. Good old Riverside. Come from London to Landy in Cape Town. Good old Riverside.

54:49 You know, whatever you're using, whatever you're using, that's great, it's an enabler, but you want to get in the aeroplane. I want to encourage you all to get in your aeroplanes and buy tickets and go and see your people and go do something with your people. I want to encourage Landy to buy me a ticket to Cape Town so I could come and see Landy and Mike. Landy and Mike is not going to buy you tickets, Adimola, you're gonna, you're going to be buying your own tickets. Have you heard of buying Munich?

55:23 Adimola, you've got family. Yeah. They expect you to come and visit you. Yeah. It's not African. Cape Town. Let me remind you now. I'll go family. Johannesburg. You're Johannesburg. Don't care. Exactly. So your family in Johannesburg expect you to come and visit them. So you're going to have to come soon and they're going to listen to this podcast and they're going to go.

55:47 I told you so. This is a message from. Wow. Man, it's been a really, really great. Session and of course I know that Landy needs to go land somewhere else, so I'm just going to give her five quick fire round questions before she leaves because the most difficult thing to say is goodbye. Number one.

56:07 What's your favourite city in the world for inspiration? It has to be Paris. I love fashion. I love fashion. I love Philly. Well, wow. Interesting. So Paris first, Cape Town next, London next. You love. London, but it's I. Love London. I love London, but I love Paris. I love New York. I love the big cities.

56:31 I'm sorry, I'm a big city girl. I love it. Cape. Town. New York. Paris. Are you saying London is not a big city? No, I love London, but I would say but careful. Whatever you say, you can be used against. You. That's a law. That's a cricketer. I would say for top three. I'm sorry, can you please forgive me?

56:50 Adimola. Top 3 Ferris. Father forgive her for. New York, not what she does. Yeah, Ferris Paytel, New York. There you go. You're just going to have to forgive me. Sorry. OK, OK, your sins are forgiven. Go and see no more. If you could only choose one mindset or strategy. Creating space, emptying the glass, focusing in your mind to empty it more than to put things in it. So we're now in the education and in the information overlord era.

57:22 So we constantly focusing on consuming more, more, more, get more in the mind, learn more, learn more, learn. I mean, I get it, right? I'm a Gemini. I'm going to do it up. Guiltiest charge, right? Worse in the world, but to focus more on emptying and getting more out of the mind, clearing the mind, letting the fog go.

57:40 I think it's probably for me personally, one of the most powerful mindset strategies that you can employ. OK, so one habit that is not negotiable for your daily success. Dancing, dancing, dancing. I start every single day with dancing. I do a lot of. I've done dancing for all my life for a long time, modern dancing, hip hop, freestyle, slow dancing, rock'n'roll, ballet.

58:10 But since I've started travelling really like this, which is now for 10 years, I'm not able to find a studio so. And if I do, I'm here, then I'm there, then I'm here, then I'm there. So every single day starts with my Bose speaker that travels with me and dancing, and I do not compromise on that. No clients, no person, no one can enter that space. It's my absolute joy and it makes for a youthful and very happy mindset.

58:37 I sort of imagine I'm in the club, I dance my morning, I put on my music, I've got my playlist and I just imagine I'm in my club and I dance my heart out, no. Compromise speaker I I am the JBL guy. I'm both say. Coming around the world with my JBL. Speaker both say for me all the no. Yeah, because you're a boss, you know? Baby.

59:00 The the boss is using the boss say you said it. I'll say good if you say I'll take it. Well, the JBL is what the leaders you know. Whatever, whatever. The the Just Born leader. JBL. OK, so what's the best business advice? You've ever received? There's so many things. Consistency, just remain consistent. I'm sorry to our entrepreneurial list. Yeah, I'm sorry.

59:31 I know it's been given so many times to people, but just continue to do it over and over. You know, if you think about it, walking, we got to walk today because we put 1 foot in front of the other. Continue, continue consistently. Do it and you will be successful. Don't give up consistently do it 11 foot in front of the other.

59:54 I think there's a song like that. One foot in front of the other babe consistently, consistently. Just keep on going, keep on doing it. Don't give up here. Never, never keep up and you. Say, am I allowed to say that? I love that now you're inspiring me to buy the ticket. I'm. Going to be stoned for that one, I know, but I'll take it.

1:00:19 Yeah, you know the. Best, OK, best advice you've ever had? And of course, at the very last one is what's one thing entrepreneurs must stop doing immediately to become successful? I think we and you said earlier we very reactive. We, we very you know, this one says this and I'm going to do this This one says this and I'm going to do this This one says this. I'm going to do it.

1:00:43 Just start your day with what I call the golden hour and use your own brain. Stop with all the 1000 distractions. Use the first hour to decide, prioritise. What do I want to do with my day? What's the one thing I want to achieve with my day, regardless of what my e-mail says or my WhatsApp says, or what the latest fad or trend is, What do I want and what do I want to achieve?

1:01:14 And focus on that consistently. If you can find a way to focus and fight distraction, you'll be a very successful person. In fact, I'll go as fast aside to our listeners, You'll be able to achieve 10 times more in half of the time of the day because you're actually focused. So stop being an octopus with eight tentacles. Start becoming like a swordfish, where you're really just focusing on that one thing and make it happen. Focus on one thing you know that don't be a Jack of many traits and a master of none.

1:01:47 Speaking of that. There's Landy Jack, master of all pride, dear. Oh. Don't beat Landy, Jack. Oh, nice, nice, nice little words, you know. I encourage our viewers, our listeners to please go join the Circle of Excellence and of course, land Jack. How do they land the jackpot of the Circle of Excellence? I love that, Adimola.

1:02:12 Thank you. I love this interview and I'm wishing all of the best and blessings to your listeners. Thank you very much. So I think on the show notes I would would you be kind enough to send the link for our people to join the Settle of Excellence? Absolutely, they can go to the Settle of Excellence dot club link and they'll be able to join the waiting list there if they want to be part of the private membership club which we are building around the world. So you just put up your details there, you're part of the waiting list and then Bob's your uncle will contact us here at some site when we launch later this year in the means of you just have to wait on the waiting list. Patience perceives a virtue.

1:02:52 You know. Exact patience. Come to those a good things. Come to those who wait, right? Smile, wisdom. I love that, I love that. And of course, you know, a very, very big thank you to you. Honestly, an attitude of gratitude is good attitude. And of course, you know a when a person shares the time with you, they share their life with you. So thank you very much, Landy Jack, for spending your time and of course, your life out with me and of course, the audience today.

1:03:17 And before you leave, do you want to leave a shout out for anybody? And of course, please do encourage our audience to do the needful live share, subscribe and of course, you know, push the message out. So for our listeners here today, play a bigger game. Play a bigger game and please, there's so many people in the world that needs this type of inspiration and has been looking for a sign or a message and this may be it.

1:03:46 So please pay it forward by liking, sharing and subscribing. Thank you, Alimola. Oh wow, thank you. And of course, you know your shout out. I guess you you would want to shout out to your team or something. But of course, a shout out to your team, shout out to Mike and of course whoever you want to give a shout. Out shout out shout out to the love of my like Mike and cock. There's just no man like him on this planet and I love our life and everything we do together.

1:04:16 And shout out to our super of excellence, especially gold clients who's just playing a bigger game and so inspirational. And to every single person around this planet that's making things happening for us by supporting us with such incredible dedication and love. Interesting. And of course, shout out to your cousin. Tricus du Pasi the the You asked me to win Champion of the world and shout out to every African.

1:04:42 That is proud of African, African heritage. Africa is rising. Africa. Africa. Is rising. Watch this, guys. Yeah, yeah. Probably African. And of course you know our audience. Until I come your way again, I keep working hard to land the jackpot, you know, create individuals like Landed Jack, you know, just support and of course look after yourselves. Good.