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And welcome. To My Favorite Murder.

That's Georgia Hardstark.

Thank you. That's Karen Calqueira. You're welcome. And here.

We are presenting you what we call a solo episode.

It's a gift to ourselves.

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Essentially.

That's right. Where we get to take a little break.

We record in advance. We do extra work in advance so that the future is brighter.

We've all sat by a pool and said, hey, isn't this nice?

Yeah.

We want that in our lives.

That's right.

A pool or a stream.

A fucking running sink would be fun.

Just stand near the sink with your hands in the water. But you can't do that if you're podcasting. So we got to take a break.

That's right. You have to work before you relax.

That's right.

Says the patriarchy. And so.

And so do it.

No, we're the literal business owners.

We love this.

This is one thing we can't fucking blame on the patriarchy. Unfortunately.

This is the estriarchy.

Oh, I love that.

Let's end it.

The estriarchy. That gave you pause.

Right?

Three pointing back.

So sick of her.

God, if she would only shut up.

She just can't help herself. This week, it's me who can't help herself and can't shut the fuck up by telling you a solo story.

Let's see if I can. I can shut the fuck up. I probably can't.

And listen, it can all be true crime all the time.

Explain yourself at no time to no person.

I'm doing it to us.

Oh, is this for the astriarchy? Well, they say not good enough. Yeah, actually, she does fucking say that. She does, right? She's so tough.

She's so mean. She talks a lot.

Yeah.

It's because she's a little sister. Yeah, that's right. No one listens.

So today I'm going to do a story about a sports legend.

Okay.

Great.

One of your favorite sports.

Oh, yeah?

Baseball. Who many would argue that this sports legend... Babe Ruth? No. Wedged to open the door for the civil rights movement.

What?

This is the story of baseball legend Jackie Robinson.

Hell yeah.

Do you know anything? I know I'm talking about. Well, absolutely.

And I've definitely watched a lot of documentaries with my dad that I would not myself have otherwise chosen.

Yeah.

But then when I watch, I'm like, I'm so glad I watched that.

It's because Ken Burns can do no wrong.

Yeah. Oh, right.

You know, the main source of the story is the Ken Burns documentary. Jackie Robinson and the rest of the sources can be found. In the show notes.

Incredible.

So Jack Roosevelt Robinson is born January 31st, 1919 in Cairo, Georgia to Mally and Jerry Robinson. And Theodore Roosevelt had died earlier in the month that Jack is born. So that's why his middle name is Roosevelt to tribute to Theodore Roosevelt.

That's weird to think that they existed right at the same time. They like did a fold over. Overlap.

Right.

That'll be my last comment.

No, it won't. And I'm glad. Jack is the youngest of five children and his father works as a sharecropper. At least two of Jack's grandparents had been enslaved. And I looked it up in the year he's born. At least 21 African-Americans are hanged in Georgia alone. So we're deep in it. It's 1919. You know, things are not easy.

And there's so much more that I've left out of this just for time purposes. So definitely watch the Ken Burns documentary. Everyone's like, yeah.

We're not going to just.

Listen to you.

This isn't where we get this kind of information.

They're not playing this in schools. So the father, Jerry, winds up abandoning the family right around when Jack is six months old. And so left with five kids and very few options, Mally has to come up with a plan to take care of her family. So when Jack is a year old, Mally moves the family to Pasadena.

Oh.

Like right down the street from us.

Yeah, right around the corner. And Like back then, it was like all orange groves on the West Coast.

And beautiful homes. And it is a really lovely community. So Mally's brother lives there. And so Mally moves there with her children, helping to find a better life, more opportunities, and less outright racism than is baked into the culture in Georgia. And while Pasadena is certainly less deadly, it's still very racist. Mally works as a maid in a white family's house. And only two years after moving to Pasadena, when Jack is three... Malia has saved up enough money to buy her own house. And she buys one in Pasadena on a street called Pepper Street, which is predominantly white.

And so the neighbors are not welcoming. And in quaint little Pasadena, they burn a cross on her front lawn.

I was going to say, because I remember we talked about something else. And I remember learning that Glendale was a sundown town.

Right.

And that lots and lots of places. Like, it's a lie we tell ourselves that California somehow was filled with a bunch of cool hippies that loved everybody. It's like, no, sundown towns left, right, and center. I mean, just horrifying. Yeah, 100%.

I mean, it's why Altadena exists is because they were pushed out of Pasadena.

Right.

Also, neighbors call the cops on Jack's older brother when he's roller skating on the sidewalk. Just not good. But Mally makes it known that she has no intentions of moving. And eventually, Jack himself falls in with what's called the Pepper Street Gang, which is a group of kids from the neighborhood from minority backgrounds. They stick together. They get into low-level mischief. They're playing baseball in the street and that kind of thing.

Yeah.

When Jack is around 10, his classmates start to notice that he's an incredible baseball player. And so they start sharing their lunches with him in order to get him to play on their team. But Jack isn't the first star athlete of the family. This is so interesting. Jack's older brother, Mac, is a track star, and he competes on the 1936 U.S. Olympic team in Berlin, the one that Jesse Owens, another black athlete, wins four gold medals.

Yes.

And he, in the 200-meter dash, Mac comes in second to Jesse Owens.

Wow.

I know.

Wow.

What a standard to set.

I mean. For everyone to see that and be like, that's.

And also.

And Hitler was so mad. Yes, I know.

I love that. It's so good. But it also just makes me think about, and I'll just say this very quickly. But I just had this very old white lady realization. People talk about black excellence. It's because when you marginalize any group. And you basically are just like, oh, no matter what you do, you won't be good enough. Then it's just like, then the levels go up and up and up.

You can't just be okay at something. You have to be the actual very best to get anyone to take you seriously.

He had to win the Olympics so everyone on Pepper Street was cool with the Robinson family.

Totally. So Jack starts going to school at Pasadena Junior College and plays football, baseball, and basketball. His athletic abilities draw immediate attention, and he's recruited by basically any university. that will accept black students. So a wealthy Stanford College alum offers to pay Jack's tuition at any school that he wants to go to as long as that school doesn't play against Stanford. So you can't go here. But we really don't want to ever play against you. That's how good you are.

But hold on a second. Yeah. Don't you think this is a little bit of an insight into the way rich people have been rigging the game?

Absolutely.

No, it's absolute bullshit.

But I mean, like, I've never heard of that.

Yeah.

That's cheating. That's fucking crazy.

And it's not like, well, why not just let black people in? No, we just don't.

No, no, no.

No, no, no. We won't do that. For other reasons and because this would rule out many major West Coast schools, Jack turns the offer down and attends UCLA, where he plays football, basketball, and baseball.

Wow.

But in the spring during the baseball season, he also runs track. So he's doing everything at UCLA where, like, the bar is high. You have to be good at everything.

Yes.

Yes. But also then that's great conditioning. Like in between your sport, you're just doing more sports.

Totally. So that's four sports. He letters in all of them. So Ali wrote this in the research. On one occasion during a football game, he had a 65-yard punt return. And I was like, I don't know what that means. And I don't know how to know if that's good or not. So I turned to Vince. There I go. Vince, what's a good punt return number? And he gave me some numbers. And then he goes like, I quote, quote, 40 is like, whoa.

Yeah.

That's what Vince said. So 65-yard punt return. He's like, whoa. He's like, double whoa. And the University of Washington fans who are playing UCLA, they join in giving him a standing ovation when he does that against their team because it's so unheard of.

I know a lot of things make me cry.

Yeah.

But when the opposite team starts cheering and they go above and beyond competition, you have to give.

It up for this.

Totally.

It's so amazing.

And he told me the average is 9 to 10 in pro basketball. And 40 is like, whoa.

Nine to ten yards?

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

Ask your dad.

I love learning.

I know.

It's during his college sports career that the press gives him the name Jackie, although his family always calls him Jack. So Jackie is just a nickname that he doesn't even use.

Which is so interesting.

But I'm going to call him Jack since that's his name. While they're covering his incredible talent, they often add in incredibly offensive racist tropes in their writing, which surprises no one. During Jack's senior year, he meets a freshman nursing student named Rachel Isom, and she's the daughter of a disabled World War I vet. Actually, you want to see some pictures?

Yes, please.

So let's see some pictures of Jackie's sportsy pictures. There's like some good close-up photos of it. Yeah, there we go, that one. Wow. I know.

I mean, it's so hard to be good at every sport. It's so crazy.

This is Jack with Rachel Isom, which will be his future wife. Look at her. Is she not the cutest?

They both have such perfect faces.

I mean, they're so gorgeous.

So sorry, you get to be good at every single sport and hot?

And super hot, and then get the cutest wife on the planet. So she's a nursing student, Rachel. She's the daughter of a disabled World War I vet, and her mom owns her own very successful catering business. And at this point, there's a small number of Black students at UCLA, Rachel being one of them. And she knows of Jack, of course, because he's locally famous as the Athlete. And she had expected him to be cocky and annoying because of this. Someone wanted to set them up. She's pleasantly surprised.

Their first date is at the UCLA Homecoming Dance at the Biltmore Hotel.

Ooh.

And they quickly fall in love and become a serious couple.

Hmm.

You mentioned going to, like, a dance with a guy that's the star of every single sport and game.

Yeah.

She talks in the Ken Burns documentary, and there's so much more about her. I'm unhappy to have to leave out for time, but she talks about her expectations of him and how wrong she was because he was so great.

Yeah.

After Jack graduates, he moves to Honolulu to play for a regional football team called the Bears. He leaves Honolulu on December 5th, 1941, which you know is two days before the attack on Pearl Harbor. You were going to say that.

I was, and I wanted to interrupt you so badly.

So he's at sea, like coming back home on a fucking ship when Pearl Harbor is attacked.

Wow.

So he enlists in the army shortly after. Long story there, but in the end, he asks to leave the military and is granted an honorable discharge. After leaving the Army, Jack goes to play baseball in what's called the Negro Leagues. While many of the players Jackie comes across are incredibly talented in this league, he's frustrated by the lack of resources available to the teams. He's equally frustrated by the racist treatment his team gets when traveling. So there are some gas stations that won't allow Black people to use the bathrooms. And so he implements this tradition where if they won't let us use the bathroom, we're not purchasing gas from them. And, you know, it's the 30s and 40s.

Money is needed for these gas stations. And so they end up getting to use the bathroom a lot of times because of this rule, because they stand up for themselves. All through the 30s and into the 40s, there's been discussion about integrating Major League Baseball into Mostly there's been pressure from black sports writers and progressive groups, but not a huge amount of interest within the MLB or many of the team managers, of course. There isn't an official rule keeping black players out of the major leagues, but there's an unspoken one. So a man named Branch Rickey, the manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers, what was then the Brooklyn Dodgers?

And later to become the.

Los Angeles Dodgers. What if I didn't know that?

You've been to so many games, you had no idea.

I actually have a Brooklyn Dodgers shirt. They like put out old-timey ones. That's cool. Really cute. It's cute. That's why I got it.

It's cute, and I love fashion.

So this guy, Branch Rickey of the Brooklyn Dodgers, wants to be the first manager to sign a Black player. He wants this for a few reasons. The first is that he's a devout Christian, and he thinks it's the right thing to do. The second is that he sees the caliber of athletes that are playing in the Negro Leagues, and he wants those athletes playing on his team. So he's not a racist like everybody else, essentially. Yeah, he's normal.

The third is that he thinks having Black players will bring more people to the ballpark. He knows that they're just, they have this huge audience in Black baseball fans that are not spending their money watching baseball.

No value in the segregation whatsoever. There's no reason.

Exactly. And this is at odds with the attitude over at the Yankees, also in New York, of course, who specifically do not want Black baseball fans at the park. And they make no secret of this. So Ricky starts to focus on Jack specifically. He's heard about his several brushes with the law that Jackie's had in the past.

And he's actually drawn to this because he knows that whomever the first Black player is in the major leagues is going to face significant pushback. So he wants someone who has experience with this and someone who can take it in a way and has the urge to fight back, but also has the strength to temper this urge. So has been tested. And has come out a better person for it.

So it's any black player. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, that's a good point. Meanwhile, Jack and Rachel get married in February of 1946. He's 26 and she's 23. And for a season, he plays in Montreal with the Royals, which is the Dodgers farm team, kind of like a tryout team. And then later that year, he and Rachel have their first child together named Jackie Jr. What are you laughing at?

When you said Royale like that, I was going to say Royale with cheese.

I know.

I always want to do that.

And then I said, stop talking.

Stop it. For the following season in the spring of 1947, Jackie is called up to the major leagues and makes his debut at Ebbets Field with the Dodgers on April 15th. In his opening game against the Boston Braves, who would later move to Milwaukee and later Atlanta. You knew that.

I knew that whole journey.

Same.

Same. Jackie does not get a hit, but he also doesn't strike out. In the bottom of the seventh inning, Jackie tries to bunt a runner ahead, which would generally result in him being thrown out. I don't know what I'm saying right now. But he's so fast, he forces a throwing error and gets on base because of that.

Which is crazy. Yeah, it's big. He ends up scoring the go-ahead run. And then it says in front, Allie wrote, the run that breaks a tie, putting the batting team in the lead. Got it. And the Dodgers win 5-3. So he does win his first game, even though he didn't score.

Well, it sounds like he was kind of the reason that Steph.

Scored, though. Yeah, exactly.

That's good.

And it should be mentioned that the Dodgers at this time are often bad, beginning each season with high hopes and generally ending in disappointment. But the previous season, they had placed second in the National League, and the hope is that this will finally be their year. So teams vote to strike about the integration. But ultimately, though, no teams actually strike. Instead, they play the games as scheduled.

But this means Jackie faces constant physical and verbal abuse from opposing players and fans. When the Phillies come to Ebbets Field, their manager, Ben Chapman, not only joins his players in taunting Jackie from the dugout, but he leads the taunts. He relentlessly yells racist jeers at him throughout the entire game. So he's playing against that, too. He also encounters physical abuse on the field. Pitchers throw the ball at his head. When he's batting, Jackie has to be moved from second base to first base to make it less likely that runners will purposely slide into him with their spikes. Because, you know, you slide into second.

Yeah.

I know that.

Into third?

Second and third.

Oh, okay.

They move to first. But it still happens several times during that first season, even though it's not fucking necessary.

Yeah, no one's sliding into first and somehow he's still getting him.

Exactly. Jackie's performance grows steadily better and better over the course of the season. I mean, he's the guinea pig.

He's the Ruby Bridges of baseball.

Right.

And he's like, well, I'm going to prove them.

But he's not six years old.

Right.

Yes. Yeah.

He's getting hits and the Dodgers are winning games. Jackie plays with a level of speed and daring that is unusual in the major leagues, but is more common in the Negro Leagues where he first played professionally. So this is nothing for him. He's known for stealing bases, particularly for stealing home, which isn't normal. It requires perfect timing and judgment. By the summer, the Dodgers are in first place in the National League. Jackie is a local hero in New York, and he's a national hero on the road, attracting new Black fans who want to watch him play in every city the Dodgers go to.

That must have been so exciting.

Yeah.

I think we've got some photos from that era. Show him in his military uniform.

My God. I know.

Wow. Oh, the photo of him stealing a base.

Yeah. Oh, my God. So good. It almost makes you want to follow sports or something. It seems like they're doing exciting stuff over there. Yeah, that's crazy.

So that same summer, Cleveland, an American League team, also signs a black player, Larry Dobby. Now Major League Baseball is integrating in both leagues because, you know, there's two and then they play against each other. That's right. I know that.

I sure do know that.

After winning a series against the St. Louis Cardinals, the Dodgers become the National League champions again. Jackie has the most home runs, doubles, runs scored, and has the most stolen bases in the entire National League.

A.K.A. fuck you.

Exactly. Come at me, bro.

Yeah.

The World Series ends in heartbreak, though, when the Dodgers lose in seven games to the Yankees. Oh, that had to hurt.

But they got there. It was so much further than they were.

That's right. In the 1948 season, Jackie hits about as well as he had previously, but he has fewer stolen bases and the Dodgers don't do as well. But in 1949, they once again win the National League pennant but lose to the Yankees again in the World Series. In 1950, Jackie plays himself in the movie The Jackie Robinson Story, and this, to some extent, enshrines some of the myths that are bandied about about Jackie never fighting. back and whatnot.

In reality, during this era in his baseball career, he was actually becoming more bold in challenging umpires when they made bad calls against him, which were likely influenced by racism. Yeah.

Yeah.

My God.

At this point, there are a handful of Black players scattered across the major league and several on the Dodgers field. On one occasion, an anonymous letter threatens to kill Jackie Robinson and Don Newcomb, another black player, if they enter the field in Cincinnati. FBI agents position themselves all over the stadium, but nothing happens. Throughout the first half of the 1950s, the Dodgers have some great seasons but never get that World Series win. Jackie's also faced with the setback of being diagnosed at the age of 33 with diabetes and heart disease.

Mm-hmm.

He doesn't bring this diagnosis up with the team, and with treatment, he's still playing well. He and Rachel have two more children at this point, Sharon and David. Actually, let's see the family photo. It's so cute. I know. So cute. Got all his trophies, too.

Yeah.

I bet there's a lot of pressure. It's like, your uncle was an Olympian.

Right.

Your father is the best baseball player ever.

No. Right.

Well, the Dodgers keep losing the World Series to the Yankees. Robinson is critical of the team as a racist institution and points out in interviews that they have yet to integrate the Yankees, while at this point many other teams in baseball have. And Rachel herself says she finds this northern flavor of racism even more insidious than in the South.

because it pretends not to be racist.

That's fucking right on.

Yeah. She encounters it repeatedly when they try to buy a house in Westchester and in Connecticut, and sellers either refuse to show their homes or yank them off the market when the Robinsons make an offer.

Wait, I think you're about to tell my favorite story.

About Carly Simon's family?

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

I didn't know this. I saw TikTok. And it was just like, wait, what? And then I was like, is this real? It's real.

Finally. Singer Carly Simon's mother, Andrea Simon. This blew my mind, too. whose husband is co-owner of Simon & Schuster.

Yeah, she's big money.

Yeah.

That's the book publishing company.

I had no idea.

Yeah.

So the Carolee Simons family helps the Robinsons buy property in Stanford, Connecticut, and the Robinsons live with the Simons while their house is being built.

So essentially, like, they went in and basically did all the paperwork as if they were the ones doing it.

Yeah.

And got everything approved.

And then let them live there.

Yeah.

It's so incredible. That's like beyond Yeah. Just being friendly.

You know what I mean? Yes, exactly. Well, that's you have your eyes on like a real future of how it's supposed to be as opposed to what it's like right now. And then you're doing something to try to get there.

Exactly. The Robinson kids are the first black kids in their school, and they are excluded from country clubs, hockey rinks and dance schools. In 1955, the Dodgers once again faced the Yankees in the World Series. Jackie, in his mid-30s at this point, is not as fast as he once was. I guess in baseball, that's old.

It's very important.

Yeah, mid-30s. But he steals home for the 19th time in his career during this series. In Game 7, the Dodgers win, earning the Dodgers their first championship in their 72-year history.

I just realized that in the other two times when they lost to the Yankees, that was Brooklyn versus New York City.

Yeah.

That had to be a fucking— That's so intense.

That had to be wild.

Crazy.

And they do it with roughly equal numbers of black and white players in the lineup against the all-white Yankees.

Yes.

That had to feel so good.

So good.

I wish I was there.

I know. That's good.

Jackie plays one final season with the Dodgers, helping them once again win the National League Championship. And they lose to the Yankees in the 1956 World Series, unfortunately.

Yeah.

Jackie retires at the age of 38. His legacy has opened the door for some of baseball's greatest players like Willie Mays and Hank Aaron, who will become legendary. In 1958, the Brooklyn Dodgers moved to Los Angeles because they don't agree with New York City planner Rob Moses' plan to move the stadium to Queens. Moses' vision for New York was car-centric, and achieving this vision— to move to Queens would destroy a lot of minority neighborhoods. But then, you know, let's talk about Chavez Ravine for a hot minute.

But it's how they do it every time. Where are we going to put this freeway?

Yeah, like that's not what this is about today. But let's not forget Chavez Ravine, which is a vibrant working class Mexican-American community in Los Angeles at one point. Anyway, in 1962, Jackie is inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility. Throughout the 1960s, he participates in the civil rights movement, joining Martin Luther King Jr. for many events and speaking engagements. The whole Robinson family attends the march on Washington in August of 1963.

Jackie writes newspaper columns expressing his support for candidates whom he thinks will further civil rights causes. Jackie also helps open the Freedom National Bank, a Black-owned bank that focuses on securing loans for Black people who were discriminated against by other financial institutions, and the bank's a big success.

In 1971, Jackie Robinson Jr., their first child, dies in a car accident at the age of 24. He had fought in Vietnam, struggled with and overcame a drug addiction after returning home, and had become a counselor for other people battling addiction. Uh-huh. Just one year later, Jackie Robinson dies at the age of 54 of a heart attack in October of 1972.

His life, the amount of stress that man had to just deal with for his entire career and life is wild.

Yeah, for sure.

Crazy.

While he's having a heart attack, he comes running out of his room, hugs Rachel, and says, I love you to her as he sinks to the floor.

Oh.

She was the love of his life. Oh. Just nine days before his death, he had thrown out the ceremonial first pitch at the World Series in Cincinnati, the city where he had received death threats 30 years earlier.

God.

Jackie had made a brief speech at the appearance saying, quote, when I look at that third base coaching line one day and see a black face managing in baseball, end quote. This will happen a few years later in 1975. Many people believe that the integration of baseball was a pivotal moment that helped give rise to the later civil rights movement.

In the Ken Burns documentary, President Barack Obama says, quote, Jackie Robinson laid the foundation for America to see its black citizens as subjects and not just objects. It meant that there were six and seven and eight-year-old boys who suddenly thought a Black man was a hero, end quote. Jackie's wife, Rachel Robinson, is still alive and recently celebrated her 104th birthday in this past July, 2026.

Does she still live in her house in Connecticut?

I don't know. In 1973, after her husband's death, she started the Jackie Robinson Foundation, which provides scholarships and mentoring opportunities to minority students. She did this in addition to being a psychiatric nurse.

Hey.

Like your mom.

Hey there.

An assistant professor at Yale and a director of nursing at the Connecticut Mental Health Center. Wow. So this woman on her own is just legendary.

She is.

If she's anything like my mother, she's not fucking around.

She never remarried. Oh, don't even.

I know.

It's hard.

In 1997, Jackie's number, 42— is retired from all of baseball, meaning that no player can wear it again. It's common for individual teams to retire a number for one of the grades. I didn't know this, but Jackie's the only player to have his number retired across all of baseball. She's going to cry, you guys.

Well, I was going to yell, fuck all y'all. But that's because I really just want to cry. Because this is a man who then, he had to be the cutting edge. He had to be, he was the tool by which all of that integration happened. And then he got to live to see the day where it was happening and was real.

On April 15th each year, the anniversary of Jackie's first major league game, all major league players wear special uniforms. with his number, 42, in observance of Jackie Robinson Day. And that is the story of baseball legend Jackie Robinson.

Well, I mean, I.

Think this change of pace suits us.

Yeah.

Because we get to enjoy a new thing. We get to meet a hero. I've watched a some stuff on Jackie Robinson, but it is just so incredible to hear the details of what a difficult life adds up to. The thing you can't imagine or think about or rarely do when you're in the shit is that the shit is the stairs by which you climb up to the top and you got to get in there and do it.

Yeah, definitely. And the inspiration you can be to other people.

You can play first base, Georgia.

Me?

Yes, or third.

No, thank you.

Yes, you can.

I'll get a hot dog.

Put your hand up.

Cheer it on. Put your... No hot.

Dogs on this team. Get serious.

Amazing.

Well, that was... Yes, great job. Thank you so much. I was excited to do that one. That is a solo episode.

When will it come out?

Who knows?

What will happen?

Oh, my God.

Well, until that happens, stay sexy.

And don't get murdered.

Goodbye.

Goodbye. Elvis, do you want a cookie?

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