Channeling: Why Humanity Chooses Pain & Fear with Cindy Edison

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1:31 back to the show returning champion Cindy Edison, Heyen, Cindy Alex.

1:36 So nice to be here. It's so peaceful, isn't it? If I get from you is so peaceful. It's beautiful. Thank you.

1:44 I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I try tell that to my kids.

1:49 But around kids exactly exactly.

1:57 So it's been a minute since you've been here. So for everybody. With two other amazing episodes, if people want to learn about your backstory and all of that, but if you could just tell everybody just a quick, like you know, thirty second explanation of who you are, who Joseph is, and what you do.

2:14 Joseph is a collective consciousness of teachers, and we are teaching from the expanded consciousness of Seth and Abraham. We are part of that expansion. The expansion of that message of you create your own reality started with Seth and then Esther brought in the vibrational component, and we are expanding on that. We are teaching the evolution of the human aspect. You know, we're on the precipice, some of us are on the precipice of moving into the next realm of consciousness, the fourth dimension what the human has named it, which is kind of the bridge between the third and the New Earth. And so it's a vibrational respective shift that we teach on how to get there.

3:05 You know, we have to dump all our fear that we have gathered up in this third dimension in our physical vibration and move forward and create a new aspect. So I started, oh boy, I started this journey consciously in two thousand and three. I was introduced to Abraham first. The group, whoever they were JC was my first connection, I believe, in two thousand and nine. And then Joseph stepped forward in twenty sixteen and we've been moving forward since then. So that's the deal.

3:49 And so for all the Catholics in the room, Joseph is not the Joseph. It's a collective of many energies.

3:57 Correct, Yes, yeah, it's not the Joseph, but they are. Yeah, they chose that name, and they tell us in their in their book, they say, we only gave a name because you guys want one. You know, they don't go by names of course to their consciousness. So, uh, they gave it so we would have something to refer to.

4:18 So that's the only reason they labeled themselves.

4:22 So it's been about two years since you've been on the show. How has your relationship with Joseph changed over that time?

4:30 It's gotten uh crazy, actually, my word not there. They would never they have changed our sorry, I'm good every time they come in. Well, they changed our description as I have become more and more aware of them and the purpose here and since we are teaching the evolution of the human and that involves shifting our dominant creative vibration from the earth plane, the third dimensional, contrasting vibration that we've been creating from ever since we stepped our physical toe in this realm, to the vibration of the soul, which is pure loving. We are exampling our message. They said to me a while ago. Now, they said, well you have to start doing it now, Cindy, And I'm like, wait a minute, you mean I actually have to do

5:26 this stuff? You know, and that's when it gets that's when it starts to get sticky, you know. So my relationship with them over the past two years, we've kind of been hermiting a little bit, expanding and practicing and shifting and creating a new belief system and really understanding what the evolution of the human is all about, and that is moving out of this third dimension into the next realm of physical experience, which is the fourth you know, human label the fourth and so the last label they gave me was you are now a blended conscious conscious channel, which means which we all are. We are all blended beings, blended from the realm of consciousness that we happen to be experiencing, which in this case, our case, the human case,

6:22 is the third dimension, which offers contrast for the purpose of choosing and our soul, who you know, we always are. So we are a blend of those two vibrations, and our focus is what creates our reality first non physically and then in the physical world, that's what we create, that's what we experience. So they've been taking me through many, many experiences to understand more what that shift really means.

6:55 We don't move forward carrying a bag of fear because as we move into the next realm of consciousness, we will experience a new aspect. We are co creating a new aspect of the soul who will experience the new Earth. But it is an aspect who is dominantly creating from the soul, as opposed to creating from the contrast, so it's a whole different experience. We're creating from love there instead of what is referred to as fear. We say it's out of alignment, which is why it feels bad.

7:36 So that's what they've had me doing. I've been hermiting for a couple of years and for the purpose of expansion to the next step.

7:45 Well, what's the biggest lesson that Joseph has taught you recently?

7:48 Oh God, there's so many. Pick one, and they're all big, you know, they're all big because they are all shifts. And I think the one that has made the biggest impact on me is probably the power of our focus and the power of what we have within us, that soul vibration, that creative force to create what we want.

8:14 I've had so many experiences where i've and it's hard because, as they say, with every level of expansion comes a new level of trust. And so when and this is all uncharted territory that we're moving into, we have never as this aspect. We have never been dominantly creating from our soul vibration ever as this aspect. And so, you know, creating a new belief system that is exchanging, not really changing anything. We're creating new We're going from the belief and experience of lack, for instance, to abundance. And people say, well, you know all the doubting Thomas's out there, and understanding the Bible teachings has been a big one for me too.

9:07 And how well, when you look at the teachings of Jesus actually from the beginning of the Bible, if you can read the Bible, which I have done now under this new perspective, from a vibrational perspective, it changes the meaning of everything. It changes for me, it has changed the meaning of everything, everything he said, and not everything.

9:34 I don't sit down and read the Bible every night, certainly, but they have brought me back to certain areas of Jesus' teachings. And so when I read like the Bible, or even of course in miracles When I read pieces of that, I am translating from the Joseph perspective. I'm translating them to a vibrational perspective, and it changes. Of course, when you change the perspective, you change the understanding, and understanding is what breeds expansion. You know, there's not really fear, there's lack of understanding. And that's a big lesson for me too, because when you understand something differently from a different perspective, your whole experience of it changes, right.

10:25 I mean, I'll use the analogy of my language was just movies and storytelling. And you can watch a Stanley Kubrick movie at eighteen and then watch that same Stanley Kubrick movie at fifty and go, oh, oh, I see what they were doing. That's what great art does, Like you can watch it when you're at a certain place, or read a good book. I read Autobiography of a Yogi when I was in my twenties and it was so far beyond where I was that I literally couldn't finish it. And then in my forties I picked it back up and I was like, oh, I felt the energy, I felt the vibrain. It was like I was ready to even hear those teachings because I just wouldn't wrap my head around it. So it's interesting when you say

11:07 the Bible, because the Bible, for me, the Bible many times is triggering because of a lot of the dogma and a lot of the issues and a lot of the fear based stuff that's inside of it. But when you pull out Jesus's true teachings, you know, the Gnostic teachings if you will, it's a completely different you know, like like so many people say, like people don't leave Christianity because of Jesus's teachings. They leave because of either the dogma or.

11:33 Paul right, exactly exactly. Yeah, but his teachings were vibrationally, yes, there's no question, you know he was teaching it back then. And but we have to understand too and that with every teaching that we have all experienced, you know, coming up, we've all had tons of teachers. I've had so many amazing teachers throughout my lifetime, just in this lifetime. But remember our physical vibration, the makeup of you as Alex.

12:06 You know that physical vibration you picked up again when you left here the last time. It lied dormant on that timeline. And so when you expanded back into your soul, whatever, how are you going to say that? And then your soul refocuses and says, we're going to go expand alex Again, that physical vibration is the same, but now you have expanded who you are by way of the soul. So it's so the teachings that have brought us to this point.

12:36 The Bible is a huge you know of course in miracles too, same same kind of thing. But the awareness of those who are translating is key, you know, is paramount, which is why there is fear, which is why they're you know, they teach I mean God. I was raised Catholic and we were taught fear God, Fear God, the fear of God. How many times have you heard that, you know.

12:58 The Old Testament God, Feld Testament God exactly.

13:02 Yeah, yeah, and so but that's but it was given at the perfect time for the expansion purposes of humanity. You know, every teaching, every teaching, they they moved me toward the course and miracles probably fifteen years ago now, and I bought the book, picked it up, didn't understand one where I couldn't get through the first ten pages.

13:27 I was totally and I said, I don't know who's given me this because at that time I didn't have the connection, and I put it away ten No, not ten years later. It wasn't ten years later. It was certainly three or four years later or more. I picked it up again. That's when I had the connection, I said. They said, they pointed to picked that up, read it through, understood everything. So it's all it's all about our own awareness of who we are vibrationally is.

14:00 So it's very similar. This is interesting. So it's very similar to like when you are, vibration attracts, so likes attracts like in other words. So that's why I always joke is like you never see you never hear a yogi or a walking master get mugged, like because that energy doesn't make sense, it doesn't connect. You know, there's it's not there. So similarly, you know you're not going to you might be able to view it from a distance, but you're not going to connect with that energy on a personal level. So that's why way sometimes you meet or across your path, a certain person comes in and you just like repelled by that person just from the energetic standpoint, just like I don't understand why, but that

14:43 person just makes me oh. Or the opposite, you're like, oh my god, I'm that person makes me feel so good being in the room with them, like and I can't even understand it. Similarly, with teachings and books and movies and ideas, whichever way they come in, you have to be ready to hear. Because there's books that I picked up in my twenties that blew my mind. But if I picked those books up today, they're rudimentary. They's just like one plus one is two because I've be my my understanding is left that those teachings not behind, but they're just part of my foundation now. Yes, so they don't resonate. But there are many books I picked up I was.

15:26 Like, yeah, this is well, you can't be thinking about yeah, like I can't.

15:30 I can't even understand this. What am I doing here? There are books like that, and there are books like that now that I'll pick up. I'll go, yeah, I'm not ready. Okay, let me put them back, you know, because we're all on a journey. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show.

15:52 Absolutely, yeah. And it's all about awareness, you know, it's all about awareness, and so it's you know, are I don't want to say a goal, mission mission. I was just gonna say mission. Yeah. Our mission is to really lead people into the next realm, and that is by expanding the awareness of who they are by saying this is what you've been doing. Now. We all have friends like this. I have a friend who is riddled with fear.

16:29 She said to me the other day, I don't even want to go out of my house anymore. She's involved in all the political stuff, and she's involved in all the foods, and you know, all the stuff's going on now. And I watch it too, but I have a whole different perspective, so I just want to see what's going on.

16:45 And I just kind of laugh at it. And she is riddled with fear, and you can tell. And everybody has these people in their lives. Right, we're still in third dimension, We're still here, so we see it, we experience it, and I watch her her whole life. She's either sick, doesn't feel good, doesn't have money for this, doesn't have money for that, the car broke down. There's constant, constant manifestations of her focus that focus on the bad stuff, the focus on the chaos, the focus on the contrast, as opposed to the focus on her soul vibration of love.

17:26 So I sit and I'm happy, and I meet wonderful people, and I'm more abundant now in many ways than I ever was, and more peaceful now than I ever was, just by following the guidance. And so we want to encourage people to connect with their soul first and foremost. The past couple weeks, a lot of people have been talking about this unconditional love, and they're looking for this unconditional love through people. And we say that the unconditional love that everybody is looking for is the love that the soul is, the love that we really are. When you are, I know you get this. So when we are in alignment with the soul of vibration, we attract that same in other people. We attract that same in experiences.

18:22 We are emitting that beautiful alignment. And like you said, when Jesus said, you know, the devil is beneath my feet, that's a translation we say of the contrast is beneath me. Now I have risen above it. My vibration has risen above it. You can't touch me now, you know you can't touch me. I mean this fearful person. She won't go certain places, don't do this, don't do that. What if you get mugged? What if you I don't even think about that stuff.

18:51 It's funny. I was speaking to a relative, I won't say who, but a relative, and I was telling them like, yeah, yeah, I'm good. I'm gonna be going to the city to do a talk. And the first thing they said, They're like, oh, that's a very dangerous This is funny. I was going to the city and they're like, oh, that's a very dangerous city. There's a chin of homeless there. It seems like it's anarchy. And then and then I knew instinctively what city they meant, which was in Oregon, Portland, Oregon, which is not where I was going. And then and of course there was that whole there's a lot of press around, you know, they took over those blocks and there's all that kind of stuff that just a while ago.

19:32 And I'm like, no, that's and this is the funniest thing. I go, No, I'm not going there. I'm going another city. You're mistaken about the city, and they're like, oh, well that city also has this.

19:41 Like what do you like?

19:42 What do you know what?

19:43 That's exactly it.

19:45 They just they couldn't get out of the matter, they couldn't get out of the fear. I wanted to ask you something, Cindy, because I think there's something going on right now in the world that is so fascinating to me. I've never seen this before. So just like in twenty twenty, obviously the world stopped and there's a lot of stuff that happen, and it was a very big move moment for humanity. This is what's happening right now. Isn't as big, but it is. It is rippling out throughout the world.

20:16 Which is the World Cup. The World Cup. I am not, I was not, I was not a soccer fan. I am now a soccer fan. I'm like, I'm like hooked in and I'm watching it. Yeah. Well, it's three to four and a half billion people what soccer around the world, so it is the biggest sport. But the beauty of all of these you know, foreign country, foreign you know, visitors coming to the US and experiencing what the US has to offer and not only the freedom, but the but our culture, the people, and the thing that I keep seeing again and again, they're like, they've been lying to us about what America is. They've been lying to us about what the people all are. And when we as Americans travel abroad, like when I've been to Europe,

21:05 so many myths, we're completely like, no, I don't care what you say. It's not dangerous to be here, and it's not. These people are wonderful and we've got nothing beauty, and and they're seeing that from our point of view as well. And it seems that everyone's going, wait a minute, this is all lies. So it's the media feeding us lies of like fear based lies. And they're like, and then this is my faise, like one of the one of the people who are saying like, I think it might be the politicians who have problems with each other, not us. We like people, like people generally around the planet want the same thing, to be happy, to have take care of their family, to have a roof over their head, to enjoy their lives, to find some purpose

21:50 in it, no matter if you're anywhere on the planet, those are the basic understanding things that we all want. So we have that common thing, but we are separate, rated by media, by politicians, by organizations, by religions, by companies who profit from our separation and our fear form of each other. But it's becoming clear and clear now because of social media and everyone's starting to see, well, wait a minute, if the Tartan army from Scotland could come in and drink post to dry and they left, and Boston's like they're having withdrawals from having all the Scots there. It's beautiful, It's like, it's amazing. What do you think about what's happening.

22:37 Well, it doesn't surprise me and certainly doesn't surprise us. What's happening is people are, of course waking up, and we're always waking up, and of course technology is helping that. But there is a I want to give you a different perspective of that whole thing, if you can go me on this for a second. A lot of people are teaching and I've been hearing it for and I've followed it for a long time. Never quite understood people are saying and I understand it. I mean I understand why they're saying it. And Joseph told me we were talking about it one day where people were saying, there's so much light coming into the planet. There's so much light coming into the planet, and people are reacting to it,

23:21 but sometimes it's a bad thing, that the reaction is a bad thing. And I never understood that. I don't really follow that kind of stuff, but I'm interested to see it, but I never really get it. So I said to Joseph one day, can you explain this to me? What is all this stuff going on with this light? It seems to be from what I'm hearing here on the outside of me, it seems to be causing more chaos than good. And they said, Cindy, you have to understand that this is the shift in perspective. That light has always been there. The light that you're saying is coming has always been there. It is humanity who is stepping into it by expanding their awareness. So we're not being flooded with light, which is great news. And you know,

24:12 humanity is waking up and saying and seeing another door that's down that hallway. You know, so go ahead, No.

24:22 No, it's it isn't it like Newton saying, oh the apple fill, there must be gravity. Gravity has always been there. We just figured it now. We just or radio radio signals have been around forever, we just we just were able to finally build a machine to connect to that. So we are waking up to a point where we can connect to it. It's beautiful. Yeah.

24:42 Yeah, So what's going on in the world right now is a lot of that. It's the awakening and people don't really know what to do with it for the most part. I And it all comes down to and fart from our perspective anyway, it comes down to personal choice. You've got to choose to go with the flow and get in line with the soul or continue to create a chaotic life. I mean, I see what's going on out there, but what I'm attracting now is all that beautiful stuff, all the beautiful stuff from the fourth that you know, proud to be an American. Wow, overwhelmed with joy because of that. But this fearful friend of mine, first thing she said was did you see all those terrible singers they had to replace? And I'm like, don't

25:31 do that now, don't pick Abraham has said for a long time, you know, if you're going to continue to look at what is, you will continue to create it, and that's by way of our focus, We've got to focus on the soul of vibration. It's shocking what happens. So people are making choices and which is causing this.

25:56 It's like an overwhelming flux of there's a chaos over here and there's a beauty that we've never even recognized before on this side. And so it comes down to choosing. It comes down to choosing and creating, by way of our focus, what we prefer to experience in this physical world. We are all on a pathway forward all and we are walking out of this dimension, choosing our way out of this dimension. Whether we're aware of it or not.

26:33 We're making choices in every single moment. There are two vibrational pathways in front of us in every moment, and by way of our focus, we create our experience of it. So we can experience the chaos that's happening and get involved in all the politics and all that stuff and continue to live that and create our own reality from that vibration. Or we say, you know what that's going on there, but I don't have to pay attention to that.

27:04 The same thing with twenty twenty. You know, I never thought. I never gave it a second thought. Really, I thought it was all bs. And Joseph said, you know, just create your own reality, keep focusing on alignment, focus on alignment. And that's what I did, and it never really affected me, you know, not me personally, but I mean I saw the crap from it, but it's really it's really amazing how powerful we are just by way of our focus and choosing a vibration.

27:32 Yeah, I think we're more afraid of what we're capable of than what we're not capable of.

27:36 To be honest with you, that's probably true. But I'll tell you when we are focusing on alignment. Joseph told me a few years ago, just focus on alignment. Don't pay attention to what's going on. This was about the twenty twenty time. Don't focus on what's going on, focus on your own alignment. Learn this, learn this, do this, do this. And of course it was difficult, you know, to do that, because I'm seeing this and they're saying do this. I'm like, you know, so it's confusing. But the one thing that we can be assured of is when you look at everything as a vibrational foundation, you can see what you're creating for yourself, you're living it.

28:19 What we don't know is the pathway forward, what's going to happen there. But the most important part of that is that we do know that that's the soul's eternal path and that is a path of alignment. And when you are in the pathway of alignment, the doors that open for opportunity on that pathway are also in alignment.

28:44 That beautiful.

28:45 So you're creating from that vibration and when you're creating from the contrast on that pathway, those doors of opportunity open too, because that's where your focus is. It's a choice in every moment.

28:58 So Cindy, let me ask you remind me because it's been a little bit when you channel Joseph, is it kind of like it's he's they are always there and you just kind of come through, or do you do a trans channel if you can remind me, No.

29:11 It's always They're here now and they're always here. And this is what this is another example of what we're teaching too, when you are focusing more on alignment, which I do now, which is why they hermited me for a couple of years, so I can get into that mode. When you are focused more on alignment, you become more like your soul because now your soul vibration is the dominant vibration of you, and so you are behaving in that way more than not. So a lot of times I play games with them, I talk to them all the time. I feel them right right now. They are more present than they are on a normal day when I'm just hanging out here. They're more present. I feel the vibration in my body, my whole body tingling right now,

30:01 which which is fantastic. I love it, but it's always it's that's that's the goal is to be led by your soul by focusing on your soul, shifting that dominant vibration so you can create your next aspect, the next aspect of us, who is dominant in the soul.

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30:35 That's what the whole thing is, the New Earth. The aspect of the New Earth is one hundred percent soul. So we need to take that walk over the bridge and make that shift in our perspective.

30:48 So let's let's bring in Joseph a little bit more specifically, I want to ask them some questions. Through you and I have a bunch of stuff I want to kind of go in to, why do we as individuals and as humanity as a whole on it. I want a two part answer if it's possible for us in the micro level, us ourselves and also as a macro level as humanity keep repeating the same painful patterns in our lives and our experience. So as a person, how why do we do it? And as a collective why do we keep doing it? Because obviously we're doing it now more than ever, we keep the same painful we could.

31:30 Just you when you're sitting on the sideline watching it, You're just like, what are you doing? You're choosing the same thing again, Like it's crazy. So what does Joseph have to say?

31:42 You just answered the question. M You just you just keep please it. Yeah, you just keep choosing it.

31:48 Well? Why why?

31:51 Well, because here's the reason why. The momentum that humanity has built creating from the contrast, since we got here, since we stepped foot. We were created specifically to experience a physical realm that offered contrast for the purpose of choosing to expand the soul the Godhead, the aspect, every aspect is so you have to understand it. You know, Abraham has taught for a long time. It's a lot less painful. This is not verbatim. When you hit a tree going five miles an hour than when you hit it going one hundred. The momentum is moving us. The momentum, so when you create something that specifically talking about the individual, when you keep recreating. We see this a lot with relationships.

32:47 We see people saying it's the same relationship a different face. It's the same he's treating me the same way. She's doing the same thing to me she did to that guy, Or this is the same relationship I've had over and over and over. And that's because everything is based in vibration, every single thing. And the reason we keep choosing it is because the momentum is so strong in that contrasting vibration, the physical vibration of us that creates our physical body, our five physical senses, everything, And we keep choosing it because we know what to expect. First of all, we know it. I my sister, who I was coaching for a long time, several years ago, she was doing really well.

33:36 She called me up one day, really mad. Something happened at work and she was not a yeller, but she was mad. And I said stop stop now, it's the perfect time to shift this and this is typical of the human She said, no, I'm too mad. Now, I'm not doing it now. I'm not doing that stuff now. So this is why the momentum for her anger was so strong. She had to vent first of all. But this is the reason that we keep choosing. It is because we are We are not aware of our opportunities to choose something else. A lot of people that I a lot of clients, they say, I never knew I had a choice, And this is where we are now.

34:16 Everything is a choice. Everything is a choice. And so if you keep creating, you can look at the life you're living and people say, well, that's just the way I am. That's the way my parents were, that's the way my grandparents were. It's just the way I am. It's just it's not it's the physical aspect of you.

34:34 That's the way your physical aspect is, But that's not the way the soul is. You can change on a dime. Not easy, but you can. But we just keep recreating it because the momentum is so strong. In order to shift your perspective and in order to dominantly shift from the contrast to the soul perspective of things, we have to create a new momentum that's based in that vibration.

35:06 And it's a sharp right turn. It's not there. I mean we every time we experience love in any form, whether it's from a dog person, it doesn't matter. Anytime you experience love or joy or peace, whatever that is, that little spark expands you and your soul and the Godhead. And that's what we're trying. We're trying to coach people and lead people toward the opportunity to create something new, and they have to see it so.

35:39 That the momentum. I love that, by the way, it makes so much sense because it can go both ways. The momentum of good or positive in your life and the momentum of negative in your life. It is truly up to you. And I think we've all had bursts of that where you start going to the gym or maybe start eating right, and the momentum of that starts to go, I'm gonna go walking every day, and then you build that habit and it starts going. But then somewhere along the line, life gets in the way. You choose that, and your mind's like, you know what, why are you getting up to go work out? Really is it doing anything? And then you start talking and then you start slowing down the momentum kind of scenario, and

36:14 I think that's exactly what's happening with us. But as a collective, it sounds to me that on the individual, as long as the individual continues the momentums in certain ways, all of humanity continues to go that way. But there is so many people waking up, and please correct me if you're wrong. There's so many people waking up and so many people choosing a different path that that's what's causing a lot of the chaos that's happening in the world, because a group of us are moving in this direction while some other ones are like, no, no, no, I like this stuff because I feel safer with this pain and this turmoil. I know this. It's kind of like when you're in a bad relationship, like you know, I know it.

36:56 I'm an abusive relationship. They abuse me, they yell at me, they belie little me. But it's the devil I know, versus I serve this new positive thing. It's like, what you know, I once dated a go years ago where she'd had really bad experiences with her relationships, and then she met me and I was the complete opposite of it, and she literally broke up with me. She's like, I can't, I don't I don't know how to have you in my life. I go, but I did nothing wrong, and she's like, I don't know. I can't wrap my head around this. I don't know how to deal with someone who's kind to me. And it did. She didn't even articulate that, but that's what it was, like, you're kind to us. That it was weird. So is that what

37:41 that humanity is? That what it means with humanity as well, that until more of us get to that place, we can't shift the boat in a way the ship.

37:51 Well, no, you're building a new boat. First of all, you're building a new boat. Those people that are creating the contract, creating from the contrast all the chaos and everything. Understand this too, that as you expand, as we all individually expand our awareness, and we bump into that chaos or the fearful person, it is much more intense for us at an expanded level. So it seems like it is more chaotic. But the chaos has always been there.

38:24 It's always been there. We're just shifting our perspective about it. We see more of it when we.

38:29 Look at it.

38:30 We looked at it, we lived it for so long, and now we're moving away from it. So when we get a glimpse of it, we go, oh, that's horrible, because it's kind of like, you know, it affects from me anyway. It affects me physically. When I watch anything that is out of alignment, I can't. I can't do it anymore. It used to upset me, but I would still watch like this, but I don't even go there anymore.

39:01 I don't even want to expose myself to that vibration. Why, you know, it's not good. So it's not that. Remember Abraham. Abraham always has been teaching too, which is a beautiful thing. One in alignment is more powerful than a million who aren't. So you're building your own boat and the rest of us are jumping on it. We're being called to that boat that's sailing to the fourth dimension, and it doesn't have anything to do with anybody else. The human collective.

39:35 The individual has a dominant creative vibration. The human collective has a dominant creative vibration, and it is shifting as the individuals shift, one at a time. Two more, three more, four more. Remember the I know you must remember the There was a commercial. I don't remember. Somebody is going to say, whatever this is, maybe pre I don't know, shampoo.

39:57 I don't remember what it was. But I told two friends, and she told you friends, and then so on and so on and so on, and all of a sudden, they had this huge audience. It's like that you're attracting. The more you expand your awareness and create this amazing platform to teach all of this stuff, you are expanding the God had. You're expanding the vibrational pull. Let's say you're helping to create the momentum to move people forward, and we have to create that momentum individually too, And as we do it individually, we are the collective.

40:33 Right, And it also ripples out energetically to everybody around us and everybody we interact with. Essentially because people see as an example like, oh, I don't have to be the way I have been. I don't have to do that I can actually look look at Cindy. Look what Cindy's doing. You know, even if she doesn't, if they don't know that you are a channel of Joseph and anything like that. Just your energy as a human being walking the path people can if they're ready for. And that's the other thing, you know, if this conversation is being watched by somebody right now, the universe is put it in their path.

41:07 For a reason, no question, Yeah, there's no question. No accent, there are no accents. There are no accent because everything is vibrational. That's why we're shifting from a physically created reality to an awareness of vibrational creation. Because every manifestation is created non physically first, from the beginning of time universal law, everything is non physical first, and through our focus we bring it in because the universe says, oh, I love you so much. I want you to experience what you're envisioning. Oh, how wonderful that will be. What are you envisioning? The universe is matching it law of it.

41:50 You're attracting what you're focused on you and as you continue to focus on it, you're building the momentum on that little pathway towards that experience, that physical experience of your focus. It's a whole shift in our perspective and understanding vibration. You're that girlfriend or gase, she didn't understand you.

42:11 I lost a lot of people in my life. Family members, they don't understand me, you know, and a lot of teachers. When I talk to teachers, they say the same thing of so lonely people are dropping off by the wayside. Well, yeah, because as you're moving forward on your path a whole different timeline, it's a whole different vibe. You're not attracting from that same pool anymore. You know. It's movement, it's movement.

42:35 Is that why we sabotage? Many times people sabotage their own happiness even though it's right there. Like the example of that girl in my past, that it was right there, There could have been happiness there, There could have been something there obviously wasn't meant to be, but it was maybe an expression of like an example of like this this what could be? And maybe later down the line she found someone that made sense for her. But why do we Is that why we sabotage happiness? Because I've sabotage happiness in my life there's no question, you know.

43:06 And in my in my life, I think we all do a certain point.

43:10 But is that why we sabotage it? Because we don't. We don't we can't see through that next door. We can't see. First of all, our awareness is something that most people are not aware of, So we're only they don't. They don't believe that. You can't imagine how many people say to me, I just don't I don't deserve this.

43:33 I don't deserve it. And if you have a belief that you don't deserve something, there's no way you're going to experience it. You know that that not deserving is so out of alignment, you know, because that's what we're taught. We're taught. And remember too that this physical vibration that we are today is a compilation of every single physical experience, every conversation, every belief we have ever had through our journey in the third dimension. It doesn't drop off. I mean, you know, I've been here a thousands You've been here thousands and thousands and thousands of times, and we are expanding by way of our soul. We're always there, you know.

44:16 But when we kick off, we take the only thing we take with us is the love. The only thing that is in alignment with where we're going. And that's, you know, a rule of thumb. You can't go somewhere that you're not in alignment with. You can't experience a vibration or a manifestation of a vibration that you're not in alignment with. It doesn't work that way, you know.

44:39 And that's why the vibrational perspective is so important to understand.

44:44 Now, I want to tell you a story really quickly. I just saw this story and I thought it was so beautiful. There was this man, a British man who was he was just unsatisfied. He was a teacher. He was tired of being broke all the time and struggling, and he's like, man, I had to go do something else because I wasn't happy. And then he goes Then at forty I decided to become a monk and he went into a monastic life. He went to a monastery and he lived in a monster for twenty eight years.

45:20 We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show. And then he came out and then the guy that was interviewing him goes, why did you why did you first go in and why did you come out? I mean, you seem to have been happy. You were there twenty eight years and it's a monastery. It's like, you know, full blown monastery at the top of a mountain somewhere, you know, and you know, very simple, basic, yeah, very basic life. And he's like, well, God draw drew me there. The same force that drew me to become a monk tapped me on the shoulder. It's like, it's time for you to go back into the world and I needed that time.

46:03 And the kid that was interviewing him, and it was a kid, literally like a twenty year old, and he's like, what was it like. He's like, well, you know, a lot of people think being a monk is very You're taking a lot of things away from you. You don't have the technology, you don't have experiences. It's just a very basic life. And he goes, But what I discovered it was extremely freeing because I had no idea what was going on in the world. I was in a bubble.

46:32 And while I was in there, I didn't have society telling me what I should believe, what I shouldn't believe. What I should fear, what I shouldn't fear. It was just me and my creator for twenty eight years. He goes, Now, I've come out of that, and I'm in the world and i'm you know, and I forgot what he's doing.

46:54 I think he's I don't know if he's retired or if he's I don't know, I don't know. He goes, but I'm in the world now, and he goes. The good thing about now is that and he's British, so this makes sense if you know Brits. He's like, well, now, every once in a while, can go down to the public get a pint.

47:10 You know.

47:10 I couldn't do that in the monastery. He goes. So there's things about life that I really enjoy. He goes. But I look at life so differently, and I walk through the path of life so differently. Now that is remarkable. I thought that was so beautiful. But the thing that stuck with me is goes, I don't have anyone telling me what to think or how to believe, which falls into religion, which falls into governments, which falls at the media, which falls into companies which everyone And he goes, No, I made my own decisions about life because I was looking inward.

47:44 Which is what Christ's talked about at the beginning the Kingdom of Evans within you. Very basic stuff here, very simple, simple teachings. But isn't that a beautiful story?

47:54 Though? It's a beautiful story, and I love that story. It's so true because as we say a lot too, that since we started walking this path in the third dimension, as this aspect, we have been creating our realities, our experiences from outside of us, from our five physical senses, which are all foundationed and vibration, by the way, which is why we teach the sixth sense, which is the vibrational portion, which is the sixth sense is really the man behind the curtain, you know, the sixth sense. It's got you got to shift your perspective to that which is within, which is within. They took me, I remember when I first started this path in two thousand and three.

48:37 They took me into Christianity like I had never seen it before, race Catholic. I never read the Bible, you know, we didn't know. We were just taught fear God, Fear God, fear God, and we sat in the pews like this, and so I didn't know anything. But they took me into that read the Bible several times. This is a long time ago, obviously, three years to the day. Three years to the day. It stopped and they said, now, you know, I actually stood up and said, you're not in a moment, I held my Bible up and I said, I know you're not contained in here. Now you have to teach me. And everything changed. You know. They showed me the way to look at the Bible vibrationally, really and it changed my whole perspective. Just like this guy.

49:23 They're saying, go within, go within, get in touch with your soul, get in touch with your real guidance. You know. It's not the teachers, it's not the politicians, it's not the laws. You know, it's not that stuff, because when you're in alignment, that stuff doesn't it doesn't even play role. You know.

49:43 So what what is the first step to ending this suffering that we this pain that we are constantly going through this kind of you know's how can we create a new momentum in our in our lives? You know? And how do you do focus?

49:59 Through focus? You meditation help focus. Meditation is great for some people, It doesn't work for some people. I haven't been able to meditate in probably a year and a half. I've tried, but I just go through waves, you know. But meditation can be sitting on the dock on the edge of a lake, or gardening or painting or whatever.

50:19 It's focus. It's focused, it's creating.

50:24 It is.

50:25 And they started me off this way too. When I was meditating a lot. They would create these pathways in my mind's eye and they would say, now, create an experience you want to have, And I go, what do you mean creating? What do you mean? What do you mean? We are the creators. A lot of people don't get that.

50:42 You know that we're creating by way of our focus anyway, and every moment we're creating. When you get a glass of water, you're creating the experience of drinking that water. I mean little things, you know. And they said, now, just create an experience, and I go, what are my guidelines? There are no guidelines, there's no limit, Cindy. So I created several experiences driving down ninety eight in Florida, you know, beach on one side and a mountain chalet on the other.

51:12 It doesn't matter what it is, because what we're going for is the recognition of the vibration that really creates those experiences, and we are creating them deliberately in its non physical form. And then by believing that we can actually experience that vibration, we get to experience it in the physical realm. So that's where it all starts. It's our choosing and our focus, you know, and people go, well, tell me what else to do. There's nothing else to do, and that comes from understanding more of who we are, you know, by way of our soul. That focus is powerful powerful. I think when Esther started teaching that, I think they were saying focus for a minimum of seventeen seconds or something like that, and now they're teaching less

52:10 than that that it's it's less time because the momentum is starting to build. And so the faster we go, the more who focus on their soul, the more momentum is built.

52:24 Would you agree that I found this in my life and I'd love to hear your thoughts on it when you kind of go through a like that, your your fearful friend who is constantly watching news and thinking of fearful thoughts constantly, right? Would? And this takes us, This takes a certain type of person. But if they do a cleanse of some sort. When I mean that, it's like, stop watching it for a week, just a week, stop expose, exposing yourself about it. Change that, change the momentum. You You have to kind of throw a like a like a break on and then just get out of that car and go into another car, or just sit on a bench and don't even get in the car, any car, and just remove yourself from that energy and then see

53:18 what happens after a week, just a week, just try a week of Note, don't watch tim don't watch the news for a week. Don't talk to anybody who's talking about their illnesses all the time. I don't know about you. As we get older, friends of ours, like how are you doing well? You know, I went to the doctor and they found the lump and they found this and then there's a mold that I got to take a look at and oh my god, this is exhausting here, and you know that kind of stuff. It's like, what is happening? And it's I found that even in my in my world, how it's uh, it's working, But that's negative energy and you're focusing on that stuff and all that, So would you agree that this kind of clean, like a media cleans or energetic cleums, would be helpful.

54:04 I recommend that all the time, to this one, to that one, all the time. I don't have time for that. I'm too busy watch.

54:12 I'm too busy being freed. I don't have time.

54:15 Yes, I don't have time for the love. I just got to be scared. And because there it's an addiction, you know, it is started out saying that humanity is addicted to fear. It is an addiction to a specific I have to know. I have to know, I have to know now. But the thing is that, especially today, the stuff that we're being fed, it's not true. You know, most of it is not true. I mean, depending on who you get it from. It doesn't mean you can't even.

54:41 There's some you can't even. But yes, I recommend that to her all the time. And actually, when all of this started, it probably for me, it was probably twenty two twenty three. I was very focused on it, on what was going on. Everything was turning upside down. I was really focused on it, and I started experiencing in my own reality. I was mad all the time. I was complaining I was, you know, things were happening on the outside that wouldn't normally happen. And I started and I said to Joseph, what's going on. They said, look what you're focused on. Look what you're focused on, almost like they were doing this to me, and I went, oh my god. And I'll tell you it was a little difficult for me to stop because I was I

55:28 don't want to say addicted to it, because I did. Took me a couple of days to get out of it, but I had to make a new routine because my whole routine was first thing I did in the morning was look at it, looked at it at lunchtime, looked at it when I came home. And I had to find something else to focus on during those times. And within a week I it was a huge change. My whole interior shifted because now because now I'm I'm not attracting that anymore, it's amazing what happens, And yes, I think there is, especially today, there is a huge benefit to doing that, just to see the difference. You know, now she won't do it. I say that to her all the time. Just turn it off, turn it off, turn on a movie. If you have to watch something.

56:17 Turn on a movie that's going to make you laugh, turn on something that's going to make you feel love.

56:22 I mean, watch Next Level sold TV.

56:24 I mean, yes, yes, watch something that's going to make I watched some NDEs. I watched a really cool one the other day and she said that I watched it was really cool. I don't do that a lot. But something brought me to and they told me later it was they've led me there. But the last thing she said was which was profound to me and obvious, but she said the last thing that Jesus was her guide there, and that he said to her before he sent her back or before she came back, he said, the only job you have as a human. This is not verbatim, but what she said is to breathe and uh and don't resist. And we translatate that as breathe and allow, just allow. When you are in the allowing state, you're in the flood.

57:14 Yes, right.

57:15 The resistance is what causes the chaos, you know, it's the Really when you're in resistance, you feel it.

57:24 Yeah, it's what I used to say. I used to say this and I didn't understand it, but I would say it to people. When I was even in my thirties early thirties, I would say this to people, but I didn't really grasp it until later in life, which is like we spend our life walking up stream. We were always constantly walking upstream, so there's a current pushing us.

57:46 And what we need to learn is eventually, as you continue to walk upstream, you will get tired. You your body just start. If you're using that analogy, your body is just going to eventually get exhaust And sometimes the stream is a little trickle, but sometimes the stream is really hard to the point where you're like it's so exhausting that you just fake. You're just like I can't and you just drop. And then what happens. The current takes you where it needs to take you, regardless of what you want. It's so it's up to you how you want. You want to ride this wave or you want to fight against It's kind of like the like the crazy people. And I used to do this when I was a kid, when you go into the ocean

58:27 and you start to punch waves, and when I was a kid, I'll be like, I'm gonna fight the wave, and the waves you're not gonna get me that. But then you see people that are like, you know, not well in the head. Sometimes they'll run into the ocean and start fighting the ocean, which is obviously something that can't be won by human being. But but that's what we do. We're fighting something that that's just just sin.

58:52 Allow the waves to take you, allow the current to take you where it's gonna go, because if you don't, it's just gonna make life so much harder. Does that make sense to you, well a lot, well.

59:02 Yes, of course, And a lot of that has to do with the belief system that we have created as a collective, individually and a collective. The belief system is horrible. The belief system is out of alignment. The entire thing is out of alignment. Got us where we are, It got us here. But now it's time to say no, it was built from an out of alignment vibration. Now we begin to build a new belief system that's in alignment with where we're going. And people get scared of that because they say, you're asking me, I'm living in squalor and you're telling me I'm an abundant.

59:38 Yes, yes, you know what, absolutely I mean, I got to a point in my life where I was about to go bankrupt. It's probably one of the lowest points of my life when I was in my twenties because of many mistakes I made and many things that happened to me. But I made a conscious choice to just claw my way out of it, get out of debt, all of this before before I met my wife, all of that, and it was just a lot of hard work.

1:00:08 But it was a choice that I made because I could have just just signed the paperwork I could have done, but I said, no, I'm not doing that. So it is a choice. And don't get me wrong, I know the circumstances around the world. There's people in difficult situations that's difficult to come out. But there is a choice on either. We always have a choice, and the choice is, well, I can't control what's happening to me, so that current is coming. How you deal with the current is the choice.

1:00:39 We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show. That's the choice you have, and then how you can change the momentum of that choice of what's happened to you is your choice. But first choice is how do I how am I choosing to deal with what's coming in? And then from that point you can you can then start to slowly adjust the ship, create someone you want to go. Does that make sense to you? Yeah?

1:01:09 Yeah, you have to create new momentum of that's you know, because if it's being piled on and piled on and you're walking upstream and it is exhausting, that's a great analogy too, because it is physically exhausting. This is why some people just surrender because they just can't go on anymore, you know, not out of a choice of surrender, you know, we prefer allow to that, but but surrender is, yeah, surrender because I'm just so exhausted I can't fight it anymore.

1:01:37 And then you begin to look within. But yeah, the first thing is is to change your focus. And we're not saying that it's easy, but do a little thing at a time. It's a step by step by step. Every single soul of every single individual who is on this planet is overlooking like this, waiting, just waiting, waiting for the invitation and until you know.

1:02:11 Yeah, is it? Because right now, I think what we're going through as a collective humanity, it seems that things are getting pretty pretty rough out there, very chaotic. Are we getting to the point where we're just like, I can't do this anymore, we can't go Yeah.

1:02:31 Individually, people are kicking off all the time because they can't do it anymore. Doesn't and I don't want to speak lightly of that. But we're eternal, So our perspective is eternal and choosing. But with all the chaos that appears to be going on, there's also beautiful expansion that's happening, which is what we choose to focus on. We're focusing on the expansion, the opportunity or expansion that just continues to grow. Every day you get up, you have you have an opportunity to create an experience or create experiences all day long, all day long, we're creating experiences, whether it's you know, a conversation with somebody, somebody on the phone, a drive to the office, whatever it is, we're creating

1:03:19 our experience of the situation. And whatever you're focused on in the now is your future. You know, people people say to me all the time, what do you see yourself in five years? I don't see myself in five years at all. I'm focusing on what brings me joy right now, so I know that the next step I take will be a joyful one. And you know, it's a it's a whole it's a whole shift in the way we create, and we have to do it in order to get to the next level, which is why we're teaching about vibration. We have to understand who we are to get to the next level. Good, stay here as long as you want to. I don't know next level.

1:04:01 That's a that's a good name all thing. I don't know next level.

1:04:04 The souls on the next level.

1:04:06 Yeah, I'm gonna ask you a few questions here. I'd love to hear what Joseph has to say. If you could remove one belief from humanity right now, what would it be? Fear?

1:04:19 Belief that there's any fear at all? I mean, think about that. Remove remove fear from your life now, fear. You know, we talk about the two umbrellas. One is an umbrella of fear and one is an umbrella of love. Make it simple. There's no top on the umbrella, but there and there's no agreement between the two, but there are unlimited opportunities to experience both of those vibrations. So if you just remove the fear. The only thing you have left is love. So that's the belief that we because that will encompass every other belief that's out of alignment.

1:04:58 If you remove the fear, if you even just change the label of fear to it's out of alignment, it removes some of the fear that you feel instead of you know, as soon as you say fear to somebody, they go, you know, you go, oh, that's just out of alignment. It takes on a whole new perspective. Oh yeah, all right, so it's out of alignment. Why is it out of alignment? Well, what can I do to put it in alignment or to create something that's in alignment?

1:05:28 It becos, it becomes a solution now that you see it for what it is. So we Joseph said a while ago, they said, we're going to be doing a lexicon, and fear will not be in it because there is no fear here. They teach that on almost every post, there is no fear here.

1:05:45 Well, if I may quote the great philosopher Yoda, fear leads to anger, anger leads the hate, hate leads to suffering.

1:05:57 Yes, those are all emotions. Our first are the first physical manifestation of our focus of what the of the vibration we're focusing on is emotion. And when you feel anger or resentment, jealousy, you know that your dominant creative force in that moment is fear. Is contrast, It's an easy way to determine where you're what you're focusing on, what you're creating, and if you continue to focus on it, that anger is going to turn into something, is going to turn into a bigger experience, a bigger than an emotional experience. So the ego steps up and says, don't do that. Don't do that, come over here, create something new.

1:06:44 What truth is humanity finally ready to hear?

1:06:47 That's an individually based question. People find their truth. You know. We say that the vibrational vibrational agreement is really the only truth of the universe, because there is no manifestation none, without vibrational agreement. There is no manifestation anywhere, non physical or physical. It's the really what I call the golden universal truth, which is vibrational agreement. And if you can wrap your head around that, you and understand your own power to create vibrationally, you've mastered the third dimension. Talking about masters. That's why they're not here anymore. They've mastered it.

1:07:37 And finally, what would you say to someone who has completely lost hope?

1:07:42 God? I hate that. It makes me I could start crying right now.

1:07:45 I hate that. But there are people out there right now who feel this way, and they might have found this conversation because they needed to hear this, no pressure, but they needed to hear this answer aspec as you could. I mean, the whole conversation, but this question, because I get it. I get it all the time people who've lost hope, in in, in everything. So I'd just like to hear what you think.

1:08:10 There's Yeah, that's a that's a hard one. But as a collective, we we would that there is always hope. There's always hope. It's it's a shift, and it's a shift in perspective. It's you know, and it sounds so tell me something that's got some stuff. No, it's a shift in perspective because if you have a perspective that is telling you there is no hope, then there is no hope in that perspective. But there's a whole other perspective over here that is full of only hope, that has Oh my God, that the opportunities to experience the love, which is what we're all seeking, is the connection with the God. Had the God forced the God within us the soul love? That it's the only thing that's the separation.

1:09:02 That's why there is a feeling an experience of hopelessness, because there is a perceived separation between the aspect and its source. So like it would be a very long conversation for me sit down.

1:09:23 It's kind of like what Henry Ford said, like if you believe you can or you can't, you're correct. I love that. Yeah, but it's simple. It's simple as that he said it.

1:09:35 He said for those who believe.

1:09:38 He wasn't so Sindy, where can people find out about you Joseph and the amazing work you guys are doing.

1:09:45 The website has everything we're doing right now. It's the teachings of Joseph with an f The books will lead you to books are on there, They'll lead you to Amazon, and there are YouTube is on there. You can listen to some of our staff. We'll be doing more. Like I said, we've been in hibernation, haven't been able to pick up a microphone. They keep saying, put it down, put it down, not yet, not yet. Until you came along.

1:10:12 That was time I said, you do that. Of course, you know, it's all about the timing for us, all about the timing for you too, for everybody.

1:10:20 Absolutely everybody, as Cindy. It has been such a pleasure having you back on the show and you're doing it.

1:10:26 Oh.

1:10:26 I appreciate you. I appreciate you. I hope to get you down to Next Level Soil Studios in Austin one day so we could do this in person.

1:10:34 Thanks Againathan, Texas. But I'm not coming there in the summer.

1:10:38 Tell me about it, tell me about it. It's it's a bit crispy outside right now. It's a big christy, but I'm happy because it's under one hundred and ten, so exactly.

1:10:49 Yeah, I know South too. It's hot. You know it's hot.

1:10:54 But I appreciate you, my dear, for everything you're doing to help awaken the planet. Thank you.

1:10:58 Thanks same to you, Alex, Thank.

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