Channeling Your Own Supernatural Abilities with Sara Wiseman

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1:17 and statements expressed by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions of Next Level Soul Its host or any of the companies they represent. Now, let's dive in to today's episode, like to welcome to the show, Sarah Westman, Hey.

1:33 And Sarah Oh, very good. Thanks for having me.

1:35 Thank you so much for coming on the show, Mandar, I appreciate it. So, you know you're a channel, but you're a channel, can you explain to the ouds what kind of channel you are?

1:45 Yes, Hi, thank you. I channel spiritual teachings and I've been doing this for quite a long time, over twenty years actually, And from the teachings that I channel, I've also received a lot of teachings on how to teach spiritual intuition, like how to teach intuitive practices. So it's kind of a combination of channeling styles that we've got going on here.

2:15 Very cool. I haven't had someone like you on the show before, so I'm excited to kind of get into the weeds with you. So my first question is when did you when did your what was your life like prior to you starting to channel? And you know, this, because I'm assuming it wasn't at the beginning of your life when you were five, right, because Mom, Dad.

2:35 Yes, just yet, just get my laptop out back then. No, that's a great question. My life before that was sort of a mix of feeling really different but not being able to figure out what I was experiencing because I didn't have any vocabulary for it or wasn't talked about in my family. So I had a lot of spirit activity and a lot of intuition coming in, but again it was more like, oh, honey, you're so imaginative, or what a great fantasy life you have, you know, that was sort of the language I was given all this stuff's happening, and so that went along for many, many years, and then in my forties I had what I call a near death experience on a plane where the oxygen mass fell down from the cords and we put them

3:28 on and something in there kind of cracked open for me. We were fine, obviously, I'm still here. We made an emergency landing, but in that moment, I just want to say, like I understood God, or I understood the universe, or something just broke open. And that was in two thousand and from that moment on, everything accelerated. And people have said, you know, they have these near death experiences and then it all happens, and it was kind of like that for me, except for you know, I wasn't in a near death experience like on a hospital bed. It was just this peak experience of terror. And then also for a lot of people, they have these experiences and they experience love and light and beauty, and I just went

4:22 into pit of despair. And I was in pit of despair for about four years and ended up getting divorced and deaths in the family, some of this other trauma that sometimes I went into full on, like I saw it, and then I couldn't integrate it. I couldn't figure it out. And so in two thousand and four, I was getting divorced from my first husband and had just gone into the place so I was going to be living and was just kind of taking stock of everything with all the boxes around and the packing boxes, and I saw a man come up to the front door and I'm like, no, not now, not going to even answer it, and then he walked through the door, like through the wood, and that was my first guide, and I was so shaken up.

5:17 I didn't know what to do, and all I could do was think was write it down. Whatever he says, just write it down, like so have some kind of proof for the world. And so that was the beginning of the channeling practice, and that happened. He didn't come as an apparition originals that one time, but I would sit on the sofa and I'd be like, Okay, I'm here, and this being would come and I would just write down these messages. And those messages eventually became my first book.

5:52 It's called Writing the Divine and they were the thirty three lessons. So it's kind of this strange, strange practice that I couldn't control. I would just literally have to go there and announce myself and then it would come. And then over the years I started to figure out how I could make contact and you know, I could go there instead of them just coming to me. And that was that was a sort of a more rigorous style of channeling and just a more rigorous s virtual awakening.

6:25 I guess at that point, well.

6:27 I have I have lots of questions. Uh so when you say that you went you can go to them, what do you mean by that?

6:36 I go into meditative state. And sometimes when people go into meditation, they go like way far out into like the vastness. But there's this kind of sweet spot you can go into where you don't go out that far, and that's sort of where you can have connection with the guides, you can have the connection with the departed or intuitive information. And so I go there and then I just see if anything is there for me that day or not.

7:08 Fascinating. And so again, let let's go back to when that man walked through the wall. You you have to have at a certain point when that was happening to you must have said, am I losing my mind?

7:21 Oh?

7:21 Yeah, so what was that? Because I know if I saw someone walk through the ball that looked that wasn't like a like it was just like a dude walking through the wall that I don't know, I'll be like, Okay, we're in the matrix. Now what do we what is happening? So how did you deal with that?

7:37 Like I was like, yeah, I didn't deal with it that well. I really didn't.

7:44 You know, I'd like to hear that because if you would have said it was fine, I would be concerned.

7:49 Yeah. I started looking for answers. I started at that point, like going to some of the psychics in my town, or I started meditating, or I started doing ecstatic dance. I just started whatever. I just started to read. But I didn't know what that was. And even though I was receiving these messages, I was pretty nervous to tell.

8:13 I didn't tell anyone about it, and the only one I finally told was my current husband, and I said, you know, this really weird thing's happening. I hope, I'm okay, I don't know what's going on. And he said, oh, yeah, that's channeling. And so then I had a word like okay, channeling. Look well we didn't even have Google back then, probably, but channeling, look up what that is. Okay, that's the process of going into a fugue state and receiving information in language. Okay, that's what's happening. And that just solved, Like, okay, well what's this about. I'm super curious.

8:53 So when did you decide to come out of the spiritual closet? Because I've heard that from so many people who have these gifts. Point you eventually have to come up publicly, and you definitely obviously are very public about this with you know how many books you've written and so on. But that first step, like to your family, to friends, to colleagues, what was that like for you?

9:13 Yeah, oh, I don't think I came out of the spiritual closet. And that is such a good word. That is what it's like. Until so I had this. I don't have the correct book here, but I had the full book of the channeling. It was completed, and I really was disappointed because at that time in my life, I wanted to be a popular novelist. I wanted to be we don't have this term so much anymore, but I wanted to be a chick lit writer right back then.

9:46 I know where that is. Yeah, of course we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show.

9:59 It's like soft romance. Whatever I wanted to do.

10:01 That you want Fabio on the cover? I got you.

10:04 Yeah. Yeah, Well I was really like said on that. I was writing all these novels and and it's like, darn it, I've got this spiritual channeling instead, I just want to do the chick lit. And I had approached some agents about the chick lit and had was talking to one of them, and I sort of had to accept that maybe chick lit wasn't going to happen, that maybe this spiritual teaching stuff was actually where it was going.

10:38 And I sort of said to the universe, look, I really wanted to do the the novels, but if this is my path, I will do that instead. And the day that I said that, the next day the agent said, hey, you know, I know you've been sending me this stuff, but if you ever thought about doing a book on channeling?

11:02 And I'm like, wow, really, And I said yes, by the way, here's what I have and and and so they said, yes, we're very interested. We love your channeled work, but what we really want is so we've got half a book here with this channeling. What we really want is how do you do it? We need how to we need we've got part two, we need part one, how do you Channel? And that was the first book.

11:29 And what's so interesting there is even then the universe was kind of like, yeah, you can channel, but we want you to teach others how to do this stuff. That's where your that's where your niche is going to be as a teacher show other people. And so all this whole sequence of events from trying to be a chick lit writer.

11:50 So it's so funny. It's so funny that you say that, because you know so many times we walk walk the earth with one idea and mind in regards to what we're supposed to be doing, and a lot of times that is a part of what we're doing, but it is a part to a grander puzzle that we are not privy to yet. Yeah, only with time do we realize, oh, that job or this career that I spent twenty years to do and has prepared me for what I'm about to do now. So your education or skill set in the chick lit space of just writing was a prerequisite for you to be able to achieve or to accept the information that you got in your channeling.

12:38 Correct, that's right, That's exactly right.

12:40 Yeah, Yeah, I mean if you would have been a janitor and I never picked up a book, it would have been difficult for you to start to ch You wouldn't even thought to have written, start writing. It just wouldn't been part of it. So it was a part. But it's so funny how the universe drives us to you because I've been a filmmaker most of my career.

13:00 Now I'm a podcaster. It's weird. I'm still a filmmaker, but this is what I do the most well with basically all of my time right now. But all the skills I picked up over those twenty twenty five years of chasing the filmmaking dream of being the next Biel work, like all filmmakers do, have prepared me to be able to launch a show like this so quickly, so rapidly, and have the success that we've been able to do.

13:26 But without all those skill sets, it's just impossible to do. But the universe knows how to dangle the carry it. So you keep going on the skills that you need to the point where it goes okay, now it's time to shift.

13:39 And I think, yeah, those are such truth there, and also the idea that like we have to say yes, like we have to be open to the shift. If you'd been like, nope, just doing films, or if I'd been Nope, just doing that, none of this other stuff would would have come to fruition. We had to say yes and is it happening?

14:00 And is it an interesting though? When they when the universe asked you for the shift. It's usually scary generally speaking, it's something outside of your box. It's a bit of a risk, and it's scary. It's just a scary proposition. I mean for you. Look, me doing this show was scary being a spiritual podcast spare. I can't imagine coming out as a channel writing books explaining that. That's even scary.

14:25 For me, it's even scarier. It took me a year to really come out of the closet with this show, to do it properly. And that's when the door show and then the doors went open. Just like you just you had that conversation, I'm like, like, guess if if this is what I need to do, I'm open to it. And the next day a phone call comes, Hey can you write a channel book?

14:45 You know. The The other lesson from that is then I started to instead of my life started to be instead of me forcing where I thought I was going, yes, and just like, hey, universe, you know I obviously have the wrong ideas. You just show me and I'm just going to try and follow along as best I can and sort of detach from any particular outcome. Just let me know where I can be of use. I'll do that, and that's been pretty interesting.

15:16 That is a journey. Isn't it interesting that you generally, uh, try to build the road that we're going to walk in the dark because we don't know where it's going. We have a general idea that we where we wanted to go, but we don't know, and you just kind of like and then you hit a wall, damn it. Back up, hit a wall, damn it. Boom boom, hit a wh damn it. Well, when you allow yourself to do what you just said, hey, universe, you take the lead.

15:44 Is like you sit back, you stop building the road, and then little bits of light start to shine on the path that you need to walk, and then you start to walk that path. And you're like, oh, this is so much easier.

15:58 Yeah. Yeah. The other I think too, is like I really realized pretty early well I don't know, but it's like, it's not about me or it's not about you. It's we're just one piece of the puzzle, and everybody's putting the puzzle together, one piece of you know, here's my piece. How can I help you? And that's a whole different story than I will do this, you know, It's like, here's the offering.

16:25 Yeah, that word eye, which is ego. It's ego saying that like I I shall do what I I construct, I shall hustle, I shall you know, all this kind of stuff, and when you start to surrender, it just seems to be so much easier, so much more in line. And only someone like you and myself who've walked this path that we're both walking right now and have walked, we can speak of this because we're like, we both tried to make it. You try to be a chick lit you know, and I, you know, I tried to be the next Spielberg and I got really close and you probably got really close with the chick lit stuff as well. I was in the room with giant movie stars.

17:10 I'm like, well, I'm good enough to get in the room. Why isn't this happening? Like what's going on? So it's really fascinating to see that with you. I wanted to ask you a question in regards to your channel. Did they ever say their name? Is it? Do they change come in and out? Is it the same entity?

17:28 Yeah? So the first was just one guy and that was almost like that's a guy that's still with me. Now he has a name Hajam. He's like this very tiny sort of like when India and Asia historically they were undivided. It's like, wait, he's from that time frame. And then for the the next messages, I had these two I shouldn't joke about it, but these two very stern sort of Menonite or Quaker or very stern older ladies, Constance and Miriam, and they were like, you better listen, you better get those right. And then I had Angel Gabriel, which was a big surprise. But most recently, the last I don't know, fifteen years, it's been these just these very tall beings. Some people I know say that they're like eight Pleadians. I don't know. They're just light beings.

18:30 They don't have names. They're a collective.

18:34 Yeah, it sounds. It sounds the large beings from Again, from my experiences talking to so many channels and people, it seems that could be angels. It could be a collective of angels. It could be a collective of beings from another a higher level of evolution than us. But let me ask you this question, why do you think that you know, I'm assuming on the other side, there's stuff to do. They could to a bar, they can you know, hang out, you know, watch a movie. On the other side, I'm sure they're fantastic. They got some really great filmmakers. On the other side, you know, there's there's good musicians. I'm sure you Why waste their time with these messages? What is the purpose of these messages

19:15 coming through now at this specific moment in time.

19:19 I think the message is to provide people with ways to think about our existence, our lives on this planet, like a new way of thinking about things that will help us collectively evolve. And I would say that lots of people channel nowadays, right, It's not just me, it's lots of people. And you know, in ancient times, like I would say the Bible, that was if somebody sat down and channeled that, right.

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20:01 Or other sacred texts. Those were channeled, and those provided this kind of template for how do we think about life where especially maybe in biblical times just an example, not everybody was literate and so it created like this hand like the handbook, like here's how you live your life, you know, right or wrong, I'm not that was just what is available to that culture at that time in that aspect of development. So I feel like a lot of the channeling coming now is about how do we as humans lift up from this particular awareness that we're in now, How do we get a lift up and go forward to something more collective and cooperative and useful for the planet. Now.

20:49 You were saying earlier that you not only were going through a divorce, but you were also going through other traumas, and you went to that four year kind of like the value of the shadow of death or kind.

20:59 Of the misery of the despair of the doom.

21:02 Yes, exactly for about four years. And so many people listening now are dealing with trauma, dealing with pain and suffering that they've accumulated through their lifetime. We all accumulated. There's not one that escapes it because we're down here to learn. As a general statement, if you're not you're not feeling pain of some sort here and there, you're not growing. That's the nature of growth. If you want to grow a muscle, you got to rip it down, tear it apart for it to rebuild back up. So what advice do you have for people with traumas or pain or suffering that they're going through, and now how do you release those pains, those traumas, the known ones and the more importantly the unconscious ones that dominate our

21:46 lives that we don't even know that we're carrying with us.

21:49 Yeah, I think there's some different levels of trauma. There's there's there's trauma that actually happens to us if we're abused, or we lose people we love, or we're in a war, or those types of events that happen and we're in recovery. And I think, especially after what we've been through with COVID, there's a lot of that still going on. People are sort of coming out of a PTSD style experience collectively from that. So that's valid and that needs healing and support and we need to help each other move through that.

22:30 But there's another kind of pain that comes from our mind, and the darkness is very inviting. It's very comfortable to go back into that the dark cave of sort of your thoughts and your illusions and your misbeliefs and just hang out in there. It's especially dark to go into places of you know, drugs and alcohol substances and social media and Harrison and just like really sink into this, sink into this separation state. That's what it is. It's a sense of being separate from and so that's being separate from as a misbelief. It's really impossible for any of us to be separate from it, from anything, and so when we separate ourselves out, it's an ego thing.

23:25 And this is like the source of you know, this is not a surprise, but this is the source of all inner agony. Is I am separate, I'm not part of And in fact that's untrue. We're all part of. We can't be separate. It's it's the biggest myth. And yet it's so seductive, oh for me, you know, so noticing which kind of pain or trauma you're actually in, is it real, like does it really need healing attention or is it this just my mind sort of going to that place again. And if that's the case, there's some work to be done, there's some lessons to be learned and some opening into that idea of the oneness that's how things really are.

24:12 I think that you're right. It is so much easier to go into a place of judgment, to go into a place of comparison because the ego wants to be there, because the ego wants nothing more than to be relevant, and that it's all about you, you, you and you or in it. But when you start to open yourself up, like you said, to the idea that we are all one, that that's not just to melt away, and you become more comfortable. That's why anybody that I've ever had on the show, who's had a near death experience, at a body experience or a channel, they see things so differently.

24:51 They all see the oneness. They all come back different than when they were before. That's why I asked, where were you before this situation? Because you know, you might have had inklings, but when you had the change, your perspective and life changed.

25:09 And it doesn't mean just because our perspective changes, or even just because we have these you know a lot of people have these really significant spiritual practices or they just because you're good, whatever that means to you. It doesn't mean only good things are going to happen to you. That's not It's just like the journey continues. It's just you see you see the journey differently. You see the journey as an opportunity to shed those misbeliefs and shed all that ego stuff with every single lesson that comes in.

25:45 I am a living proof of that. I just went through eight days of no power in an ice storm, and I feel like I'm doing good work. But lessons needed to be taught, and I had to sit there and go, hmm, why is this happening to me? You know, and you have to go through the whole moment of like day one, day two. Then the ego starts coming out, like Wow, how come I just shouldn't be going through this?

26:09 And then then you start opening it up. It was just a fascinating process just for me to go through because you just and it was a stage. It was stages every day that went by you just like why. But then you have acceptance and you're like, Okay, if this is the new reality for now, how I deal with it? It will be how I approach what is and I have no control over it, is how I will live my life better. So I could be angry and pitsed that I don't have power and I'm dealing with all the stuff that you have to deal with when it comes to that, or you could just accept it and just go Okay, how am I going to deal with it? What are the elements that have to deal with Looking at life that way is like you know,

26:48 you get into a car accident and as a fender bender, they're like, Okay, my car's in the shop for two weeks. I could be really upset about it, or I could just figure out how to move on because the thing has no positive or negative charge. It is what it is. The ice storm that hit Austin, it's nature. There was an earthquake in Turkey a few days ago that's killed over ten thousand people. For God's sakes, the earthquake's not evil.

27:16 It just is what it is, unfortunately for depending on the perspective you're looking at.

27:21 It's interesting too about this power outage. It's almost like the lesson was not just for you, but collectively in your area. We talked where I lived to we have a lot of eye storms up in Portland. The power is at like you have no power, like suddenly there is no power, and that is direct hit to the ego and the soul has to be like wait a second, ego doesn't have power and I don't have power in my house. But the sole power still is there. That's the piece that is cannot be obliterated ever.

27:57 So that's the piece right exactly. There's always that us inside of you that controls the experience of this journey, of this game, of this path, of this whatever quest that we're on. It is always inside you, and it cannot be extinguished no matter what the external tries to do, because it's eternal. The soul is eternal, and it moves forward.

28:20 It's it was really fascinating because you know, you really get tested. You're like, you know, I feel then the ego starts to getting Yeah, I feel like I'm a spiritual guy, you know, just very you know, I'm like and then the and then the egos like you like, the most spiritual person, you know, that kind of crap starts coming up. I love that by it, and I tell you when it isn't hilarious, but that's.

28:42 What we do.

28:43 That's what we do. The egos like I'm not spiritual law until you start getting some accolades as being a spiritual person. Then you're like, well, I'm the most spiritual now like and this kind of stuff. But then then the ego gets calm down. But something like an event that you have literally no control over, none, none, no control over a natural disaster. There's just nothing you can do about it. So it's fascinating to see how the ego dealt with it and how I dealt with it, and then how you have to kind of like get to a wall and just go, okay, that's what this is about, and you know, and it had to linger a bit. It can just be gone in a day or two. You needed some time for this to just really sink in. But these are ideas, These are things

29:29 that happen to all of us throughout our lives, whether it be a power outed, whether it be a natural disaster, which I've gone through, have gone through hurricanes multiple times in my life. I've been in car accidents multiple time. You know, these bigger events, life events that really shock you. It just it jars you. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor and now back to the show, you know, or up break. And then there's the emotional ones that happened with either family or friends. And I have to imagine when you came out of this spiritual closet, you might have lost a friend or.

30:06 Two, right, Oh for sure, I mean all of them, all of them just it just was a complete switch. And at the time I was living in a pretty conservative place that was, you know, pretty pretty conservative, and yeah, nothing went forward, and that was okay because something about like the sole truth that maybe receive I was receiving this channeling. It resonated so much. It was so clear to me that when other people were really against it or saying that's against their religion or whatever, I just it didn't matter. It was like I had been exposed to something deeper and I just realized they don't get it.

31:01 That's okay. I just still have to go on. It's okay. I think it's really common when people have a lot of the folks I teach, they start to they start to experience some of this stuff with the guides or or this direct connection with some of the guides that work with us, and attempt to attempt to tell their friends or something. And yeah, it's this disconnect. But that is one of the parts of the path too. Is a lot of the time, that's the journey you have to do by yourself for a while until you can find and I don't really care for that word tribe so much, but until you can find a group that is thinking in a similar way or has been through these experiences.

31:47 Also, there's a great deal of bravery that is needed to leave what you've known, yeah behind and people that you might have you know, had really good times within the past, but they're not growing in the same or they're not walking the path that you're walking.

32:05 And I think there's a good example of that in high school. People who you had the deepest connections within high school, you look at a ten year reunion, you're just.

32:13 Like, ooh, yeah, I can't I can't talk to you any Yeah, think you've gone all you know, you're still in high school in their mind, Like these these kind of things that are but but that's part of life.

32:27 There. People come into your life or for a reason, a season or life, and there's a handful that stay with you for the entire road. But many times just people come in and out.

32:37 But it's difficult, and there's no judgment on where a person is absolute yeah, and we can't you know, the person that you know is homeless or unhoused might be the master and we just walked by and don't even So it's like I don't think not all of us as souls. We've been around however many times, and we come in at different levels. It's it's there's no race, there's no hierarchy. We're just kind of doing our lessons, like when they told you in school, like keep your eyes on your own paper, just like do your own thing as as you can.

33:18 That's what I love, Like you have your eyes on your own paper. Everybody please, yeah, uh no, it's it's it's truly truly fascinating, this this path that we're all walking and and just dealing with the pains that we deal with along the way. There's a concept of co creation that we talk about that if you've talked about in your work and I've you know, it's constant. Even in quantum physics now there's even talks about this kind of concept. Can you talk a little bit about co creation of our reality and what that means?

33:59 So I might so I have a little bit different view than say, law of attraction. For me, law of attraction is kind of a pre idea or an idea that came in that we use for a while. And the idea that I'm working with now that I received from the guys is the idea of of flow, which is that the universe is trying to take us, you, me, the collective toward our highest potentiality, and the universe is going to drop in every kind of event and clue and nudge, and all we have to do is let ourselves be guided. So we are not attracting to us.

34:42 We are allowing ourselves to be attracted to this highest potentiality and the beauty there is it's surrender. We just surrender, and it is our responsibility to notice the synchronicity, to notice the nudge and to just allow yes, thank you, but to move actively toward that. So it's a little bit different, like we're not We're not saying to the universe, I want to co create this car. We're staying to the universe, I need transportation please, And the universe is saying, follow these synchronicities and you will be attracted to your highest potentiality. We will decide what that is. Is that a jaguar? Is that a go kart? I don't know.

35:29 Potentiality for your soul's growth, not for your earth life, for your soul's growth, because that's the bigger goal, it's the big joke of the universes.

35:40 Yeah, so because you know, you might want the Porsche, yes, but for your soul, you really need the eighty five dots in yes, or even better than seventy two Gremlin.

35:55 Yeah yeah, or a Nova, a.

36:00 Little Binto. I've been in both cars in my youth, and that might be, but that might not be what you want. And that's the difference of like getting what you want and getting what you need. And sometimes they align, sometimes they do a line, but many times they don't. And I didn't want to have no power, but apparently I need. And you know what was the most frustrating thing across the street, Power Street behind me, Power Street to the left of me, Power over the other way.

36:32 Power I was the only street that had no power.

36:34 It's interesting.

36:36 It drove me nuts. It was a group of like, you know whatever, eight to ten houses whatever that the block is, yeah, and we all didn't have power, and we just rode around. We're like, this is some what you know, how infuriating it is to wake up in the morning freezing and you look out the window and you're like, they've got power.

36:54 So what's interesting that It's like, so, I know, person, my FA family is from a different country where power went out all the time, right, no Internet most of the time, and so you received a first hand or I did this past winter of you know, we're not the only ones in the world and what's happening in other places, and like this is the reality. So that brings a whole lot of compassion to what other people go through every single day. We're so's it's miraculous. We live in this sort of star trek like existence with our cell phones and our all our zoom calls and.

37:37 Our zoom calls, all technology.

37:39 We don't have it yet in.

37:40 A snap, all just garbage sitting there useless.

37:46 That's right, useless, and you would be wishing I wish I had a shovel. Maybe you probably was a shove.

37:52 I wish I had a propate tank. It's yes, a barbecue, you know, so you know some firewood that's cut proper and it's not son wet. You know, these kind of things you just don't think about in your normal existence. But it made you shift. And I feel that the lessons I've learned in these last eight days are going to continue to unravel over the course of the weeks and months ahead as you start to really analyze what it was, but it's just a small, very small window into a larger journey that people are on.

38:22 Yeah, and you don't even know yet what it all meant. Like I would call the ice storm at a synchronicity, that's a disruption. All synchronicities are disruptors. They get us to pay it. We're you know, moving along. They synchronicity disruption. We pay attention. We're awake. We're doubly awake now. And I would guess that you were probably more conscious than awake in those moments of discomfort, you know, than in perhaps just you know, when things are going smoothly.

38:55 Yeah, it's it's pretty fascinating. Now. One thing I wanted to to mention, and I love to hear your idea your thoughts on this as well, is that, again, I have a unique perspective. I've spoken to so many different channels and mediums and psychics and near death experiences and so on, but specifically with channels, there is a common thread to all channels that I've spoken to or I've been exposed to, is that the power of change is within you. That these ideas of like it's within you to open up to the universe it's within you to walk the path. Everything we've talked about, it's all within you.

39:35 It's not like now if you buy my book, this is the this is the way, or I need a new jet. God told me I need a new jet. Can you please donate fifty bucks? There's that way, or that you need to follow what I say in order to have salvation. No, we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, and now to the show. Every every channel I've spoken to, all their messages are of love, of unity, of oneness, of the power is within you, that you are the divine. These are all common ideas, and I've saw that in your work as well. So a lot of people that I try to explain channeling to and I don't. I'd love to hear what your thoughts are. I try to explain that to them because they're like, oh, it's a demon.

40:24 I go.

40:25 If it's a demon, you know these kind of ideas are a bad person or bad entity or whatever you want to call it. You know that, Well, I'm not hearing that. And if they are saying bad things, I'm not hearing that. All I hear is everything I told you about love, unity, awer of the divine is within you. We're all here on the journey, We're all here in soul.

40:46 It's all the same information from from people from around the world, different perspectives of life, all have the same idea. I'd love to hear what you have to say.

40:57 Yeah, I think it's so interesting people from around the world having such similar messaging, especially as like I write for some different journals where collections of channels will write and here we are. You know, twenty twenty three, what are the messages. They're different than twenty twenty two, They're different than So there's this progression of you know, the shift and all of the big astrological markers. But what is coming from the guides, even though we're having probably different guide groups, is this consistency of messaging. I think it's interesting about channeling because I used to joke that it wasn't channeling unless it started with dear ones, because that's a a RaSE they always use. But there is

41:54 this sense of affection, this sense of affection like you and I would have for a puppy. Like the guides are like so elevated, We're just like these cute puppils. You're trying to help, yes, navies, so dear ones. But there's also this sense for a lot of channels like this repetition, and I feel like that it's almost like as you're reading it almost like a trance or a prayer, or it allows the languaging itself, whether reading or read outloud, allows the person to sink into a different dimension the same way you would maybe when you're meditating. It takes you to a place of understanding. And I find it really useful, Like I read other people's work all the time, and I just like sink into it just for the

42:43 joy of like that relaxation or that comfort or that energy level that seems to come from it. And I just find it fascinating that it's so consistent. People from Africa will have Jesus, people from you know, it's like different people from different cult so just will have crossing over guides. And I find that fascinating too. I mean, not just the guy that you were born with or whatever, the guide from your own culture.

43:09 Oh absolutely. I mean you you read certain books and the words have a vibration to them. Yeah, there's just no question. I mean you pick up autobiography of a Yogi and read for the first time. I mean, there's the words just kind of vibrate off the page. It is, it's amazing. And there's so many books like that that they just have their own energy to them and when you when you read them, you go to a different place.

43:34 I'd listen to a lot of audio books, and when you listen to channeled works, you just start like you go, you almost go into it, almost into a trance of like it's like a meditative place that you kind of go to where you're just in this place of understanding because it's all just remembering we all know the truth.

43:53 It's just reminding us of all the truth. And as I think that we are now as society, as a as a collective on this planet, are much more open to this information and actually are searching for it. Hence why your work is done as well as it has. I can imagine from from two thousand and five to twenty twenty three, the amount of change.

44:18 That's how oh my gosh.

44:19 And the acceptance of what you do must have been astronomal Yeah.

44:23 That's right, yeah, yeah, And I'm so thrilled now with these younger generations, millennial but more even gen z, how they are completely tuned into all this stuff, like they're just worn. Yeah, we're born with it, and that is a sign that we're evolving. You know, our grandparents or our parents or our generation or even you know, depending what generation are. But you know, we got part of it.

44:54 But these ones coming in, it's just like, I don't know if it's there, you know, this idea that people are going to start remembering what they reincarnated from. I think these new generations are coming in with more memory, whereas we didn't have that. But it's pretty remarkable to see this this oneness idea, like in the ecology, in anti racism or genderism or sexism, is that they're just coming in as oneness and that's pretty cool to see.

45:26 Well, yeah, things that are happening today, there's an uproar over you know, something in a race or a shooting or injustice. There's uproars about that, where sixty years ago it was business as usual. Yeah, absolutely business as usual. And it's not only happening in race and in other areas like that, but it's also happening in economics. It's also happening, yes, everything science, It's happening in every aspect of a human civilization. It's starting to people are like, no, this doesn't make sense. So like, for one hundred years, the concepts of quantum physics have basically been dormant a couple of little adjustments. But now even scientists in the field, they're like, no, we're going to go into string theory.

46:13 We're going to we're going to do things that are going to rock the boat that was up there before. Where before they would just never would have happened. We just never would have happened. A show like this doesn't exist twenty years ago, just does it. It's very very difficult, very very difficult.

46:30 Well, no one was awake enough to understand the concepts, even that the channel languaging well well, or even just the bigger scope of what you know you do on your show. It wasn't available to people. Even they might have been able to listen, but they wouldn't have been able to understand it. So yeah, so we're here, we are now with some different ideas.

46:54 Now, in one of your books, you mentioned the concept of suffering and bliss are the same. Can you explain that a little bit, because that's a difficult concept to wrap your head around for most people.

47:06 I know, and it's just like it's a cause of most people which want to reject right away. But yeah, so that's one of the things about the channeling too, is I get a lot of things. I'm like, my ego self is like, ah nah, this, this can't be right, and then I'll go in and ask again. But the idea of suffering and bliss are the same, is about one way to look at it as suffering is this really like we talked earlier about this dark, silky place of despair that going into the cave that's so comforting.

47:38 You can just stay and you're suffering and be a victim, or you just conquer down and stay. And this idea, the bliss that they were talking about is more the super elevated bliss you might get from adrenaline or doing something really exciting or having something super wonderful happen, you know, you get an award, or you do drugs or something, you know, just some way of jumping up to this high place. And they're just saying both of those are sort of extremes, and the place you want to be is it's like the Buddhist way, the more like the middle way. You want to be in this place of not going to either side because those are extreme states, and that's where the ego starts to get involved. The ego in the souffron state goes into victim. The ego

48:33 into the bliss state goes into I'm so awesome.

48:37 I'm the most spiritual, blissed out. I'm more spiritual than Jesus put it together.

48:44 Yes, yes, yes, I'm the most blissed out. And so we want to just we want to just stay in a more place of like, hey, I'm a soul, I'm part of collective soul. I'm putting my piece of the puzzle in. I'm I attempt to be have humility, I attempt to surrender whenever I can. I'm just a piece of I'm a piece of the whole. I'm not the whole.

49:09 Big deal.

49:10 That's That's sort of what we're trying to figure out there.

49:13 It's kind of like, if I may use an analogy, it's kind of like eating junk food. You go to the extreme of going to a fast food joint and eating food that we know is not good, but it tastes really good on the way in, and it feels really comfortable, and it feels great, and you're like kind of like being judgy or comparing yourself. It's very it's a seductive but then the digestion kicks in and then all of a sudden, you don't feel so good anymore.

49:45 We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor and now back to the show, and you're like, oh, that thing that I did earlier, it doesn't make me feel good anymore. It's kind of the equivalence of going having a you know, a big mac or a whopper. You know, hey, anyone who's eating that knock yourselves out.

50:08 And I'm not saying it, but you're having you know, indulgent fast food that's probably not the best for you, and or having a healthy meal that might not have the addictive equivalence of a cheesecake. But you know, in about an hour, you're not only going to feel good, you're going to feel great. Does that make sense? Is that fair?

50:31 Yeah? Yes, except for id add on the other side. So we put the junk food on the suffering side, maybe we'll put on the bliss side, the super restricted, very specific healthy diet that you know, I'm the most healthiest, absolutely perfect, Yes, yes, yes, right, and so the universe is like, hey, just relax, be grateful you have something to eat. A lot of people don't relax, be nice to each other, Maybe give your food away to someone else.

51:04 You know. It's like this middle road of let's just a way to either of those.

51:10 That's that's this wonderful way of putting it. We've talked a little bit about a meaning and that we're here for a purpose. So many of us struggle with that of finding that. Like we were talking about the chick lit and me talking about you know, Spielberg and being a filmmaker. How do you discover why you're here? And again, it doesn't have to be grand. So many people think, like I have this grant, you know, I'm going to be you know, save millions of lives. Like you could be someone who just takes care of your family, yeah, male or female, or you could just you know, write the one book, or you could just help your local community.

51:50 But how do we find that thing that really gives us the thing that we are here to do.

51:57 I think that's such a good question, especially since a lot of the people talking about finding purpose are the authors or the podcasters or the teachers. And then everyone thinks, well, I have to be an author or podcast or a teacher, and it's like, no, if the world was made up of those, right, we would never get our plumbing fixed or we would never get our food cooked. And I think for me, for me, it's pretty easy because my skill set is pretty specific to writing and talking and doing psychic work. But I can't do the rest of it.

52:41 Like I can't do cooking, I can't do so I can do. I'm like, I'll just do my skill set because that's all I got. Other people are much more gifted, like they have like lots of gifts. But I think it's really what you were doing when you were little. You probably like I was. I was reading religion books when I was six, you know, I was talking to plants and dead people when I was six, Like I was just always doing this. So whatever you've been doing a long time, and then whatever, it gives you that feeling of just super contributing, Like where can where can I contribute the most? And that could be look at the world, look at all the things for me that could be anywhere. So I don't think that there's a

53:30 specific path people have to take. Sometimes when I work with people reading, One of my questions is what are your favorite spiritual practices that you do regularly? And they'll usually say I meditate, and I'm like, okay, throw that one out.

53:49 What else?

53:50 And what I'm looking for is I like to ride my bike, or I like to play with my dog, or I love teaching the kids at the neighborhood school to read. I'm looking for that saying that is their specific like heart opening piece that gives them joy. And that's usually where this purpose is. It lies somewhere in that center where that hurts, that heart opening pieces for most people.

54:19 And would you agree that not everyone's purpose is going to be the main way they make money.

54:26 Oh yeah, for sure.

54:27 That's another misnomer that everyone thinks that just because I want to sing and I was put on this earth to sing, that you're going to make a living doing that, And there's nothing wrong. You could be a plumber and sing on the weekends and you get to sure do that, and that's the ego doesn't like that. If I'm going to sing, I'm going to be whitn Houston. I'm going to be Mariah Carey. I'm gonna win. America's got talent.

54:49 I'm going to go do that, and there are people who do that, but most singers on the planet don't make a living doing it. You know, those writers don't make a living doing it, that's for sure.

55:03 I even think that that's a part of our cultural misbelief the last couple generations that sort of come about from Internet having an exposure to a lot of people that are. But I don't think. I don't even think thirty or forty years ago that that belief was. I mean, most people were like, I work for a company or I work at home, and then I have like, we had this thing back then called hobbies where people found their truth. They're true, you know, so like like and that was their joy, was their hobby. So I think that's valid. I think I don't have to monetize. Yeah, we don't have to monetize.

55:43 I mean, it'd be nice if you could do what you love and get paid to do it. But that doesn't necessarily always line up. And it's not a lack of it's not trying to crush a dream. It's just it's just not it might not be in the path for you. And I love that you brought back hobbies because I remember hobby. I remember hobbies, like that was the thing. There's a hobby, there's hobby stores, like, oh, you know, I knit on the weekends. I don't need to have a multi billion dollar knitting company, but I just like to knit on the weekends. Or I like to you know, I like to write, or I like to paint, or I like to do things for my own soul's purpose, just to get it out. And it doesn't have to be this grandiose thing. But I think

56:23 the internet, especially in the West, especially in the US, that everything is kind of amped up on steroids, if you will, Like, if you paint, you've got to be Picasso. If you're right, you've got to be Stephen King, you know, like you have to it's always the big. But that's not the case because and again from where I come from, in the film industry, everybody wants to be Spielberg. But there's there's probably two hundred, to let's say a best case scenario, one thousand filmmakers in the studio system, and you're talking about millions of people from around the world who are trying to do that. The math doesn't add up, and you know, it's.

57:00 Kind of funny because I just had this thought and this is may or may. This may be totally untrue, but you know, Spielberg's probably sitting there right now, going darn, I wish I could go work on my woodworking hobby in the basement. Like He's just like, this is too much pressure, So I want to go do woodworking.

57:20 So you know what's funny is that because I know I've spoken to in my other shows, I've interviewed a lot of these people. I haven't spoken to Spielberg yet, but I'm hoping. But I spoke to someone who is an Oscar winner who worked with Ridley Scott, really Scott, you know, who's a world famous director who did Gladiator in a million other films. What he does he paints between movies. He is a painter. He loves to paint.

57:51 Is he making a living office painting? No, but that's his outlet when he's not directing. And he really is probably one of the most prolific filmmakers of all time. He just never stops. He's like eighty I think at this point. But most filmmakers only get to do their art for thirty to fifty days every two years. You know what I mean the rest of the time, it's.

58:21 Got to have the other life right, right, And.

58:23 Most of the time is building up to get the thing made and then finishing it off and then promoting it, and then that's two years. But the actual art of doing it is best case scenario thirty to sixty days. If you're a Spielberg, maybe longer, but that's general schedule for film. It's not a lot of time. So that's an example of someone who's a great artist, but his other art it's not paying his bills. He probably sells them because he's famous, but generally speaking, that's not what he does. So it's just just an example of a small example of that what you might love to do is not what you're able to And some.

59:01 People also, you know this idea of we have little patches of soul of our life's work, you know, we might not do the same thing. Like you know, someone might do something and then they do something else. And then some people are just naturally very much they have their their fingers in a lot of different pies all the time, and that's perfect for them, like they don't need to feel there's something wrong because they don't have the big purpose it's like, just be in your experience.

59:35 It's totally fine to be in your experience and enjoy your participation in the earth.

59:40 On the earth a men's sister. Yeah, Now I'm going to ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests, what is your definition of living a good life?

59:52 Living a good life is participating at the best level you can that day.

59:59 I suppose good answer. What is your definition of.

1:00:03 God my vast oneness?

1:00:08 And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

1:00:13 I'll defer to the channeling. It's the purpose of life is soul growth.

1:00:18 And where can people find out more about you and the work that you're doing.

1:00:20 Oh, they can find out about me at Sarah Wiseman dot com And I do have I think I can have a free mini course for those who want to explore intuition. It's called the Magic of blind Reading, and it takes you through a process of you answer the question before you know what the question is. So it's pretty fun to try that out.

1:00:44 And do you have any parting words for our audience?

1:00:48 You know, this is an amazing time, and I think supporting each other in all the ways we can is really the way to go because we're not really separate. We're just one big blob of collective soul, so we might as well start acting like that.

1:01:04 Sarah, thank you so much for for your not only coming on the show, but for the work that you're doing to help awaken the world. So I appreciate you, my.

1:01:09 Dear, oh my pleasure. Thanks so much.

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