Cosmic Simulation Proven with Ancient Texts with Peter Canova

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1:17 and statements expressed by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions of Next Level Soul, Its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now let's dive in to today's episode. I like to welcome to the show, Peter Canova.

1:33 How you doing, Peter, Good to see Alex.

1:35 Good to see you too, my friend. Thank you so much for coming on the show. We're gonna have an exciting talk today about one of my favorite subjects, which is multiverse theory, ancient civilizations, ancient history, spirituality, all of it kind of connecting together. So my first question to you is, how does the multiverse theory align with the ancient spiritual views of reality?

1:58 AI aligns really well. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that ancient spiritual traditions, particularly the Gnostic spiritual traditions that I concentrate in, really read like a textbook for quantum physics and the creation of parallel universes. If you read the Gnostic texts, it describes a process whereby different levels of consciousness are projected outward. In these levels of consciousness essentially are dimensions. There's separate dimensions of existence vibrating at different frequencies. So this was described pretty thoroughly in the Gnostic texts, and it really really fits very well.

2:41 So can you kind of dig in a little deeper into this, into what the Gnostic texts are talking about reality? Because I know that about the Gnostic text but I'm not very well versed in it. So can you explain it to the audience a little bit?

2:53 Sure? Well, first of all, maybe I should just explain who the Gnostics were, just to put everybody in the same picture. Gnostics were a both a pagan and a Judeo Christian mystical group. They predated Christianity, but when Jesus started his mission in Palestine, they became amongst the first Christians because they saw that he was teaching essentially a Gnostic message. And the Gnostic creation story really is about the fall of consciousness or spirit energy from a state of oneness into a state of multiplicity. And that multiplicity is really equal to the multiverse that we're talking about, because essentially what they said was that the one consciousness projected itself out into other points of consciousness, which you

3:43 can call spiritual beings. You know, somewhat analogous to the Christian idea angels or archangels or whatever you know, separate, separate centers of intelligence in effect, and that each of these vibrated at a particular level and formed different sphere or dimension of existence. So essentially, what they were describing in non technical terms was the whole idea of a multiverse, of a layer of parallel universes that led really right on down to the physical dimension in which we believe to be our reality.

4:20 So when you're saying parallel realities, are these this, We're going to go down some rabbit hole. Here's Peter. So from what I understand that, I've spoken to some spiritual masters that say that every thought or every major decision, let's say, not every thought, not like you know, a cup of coffee or not cup of coffee, any major decision splits you off into another. There's another version of you going off to see how that finishes off, Like did I take that job in New York? Or did I not take that job in New York? Did I date Susie? Did I date Susie? That kind of thing, and those kind of parallel realities are going off. Is this what they're talking about? Or is it more there are just a set level of like the there's ten,

5:00 for lack of a better number, there's ten parallel realities to our current reality.

5:04 Is that?

5:05 Which one is it? Do you think?

5:07 Yeah? Well, the first thing that you mentioned is really called the many world's theory, and that is a theory in quantum physics as well. And the Gnostics describe more of the latter one, you know, a not necessarily, I don't know if I describe it as fixed, I would say that it is more like that. But there's many, many of these parallel dimensions of you know, of existence.

5:36 There's a multiplicity of them out there. They some Gnostic texts, Yes, you mentioned the number ten or eleven. They did mention that, which coincidentally is what quantum string theory says that there are ten or eleven major dimensions of existence. So, you know, neither quantum physics nor any of the ancient spiritual texts I can find are very precise in terms of saying, you know, what the numbers are. I think I think what they really concentrate on is the fact that what they're trying to say is, look, the reality that we perceive is not the only reality in fact, it may be the bottom rung of the ladder that there are many unseen dimensions of consciousness and intelligent energy that exist prior to us. And I think that's the major point

6:22 that they're trying to convey, rather than you know, try and say, well this five thousand of these, or there's two thousand of these, you know, and so forth.

6:30 So then would the concept of the ascended masters, which are like the Jesus, the Buddhas, the Joganandos of the world that walked once on Earth and ascended to a higher state of consciousness while on this, this, this and this reality. From spiritual texts like the Vedic texts and things like that, it's said that they are they rise beyond multiple layers, and they're still learning at other layers.

6:54 So in other words, they might be God like here, but they are still going like on level six they're just starting, or a level set of reality dimension seven, they're just starting. Is that something that you've had any interaction with in your research?

7:08 Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, I've run across that. That's not really what the gnostic techs say, but I am familiar with with that. You have to remember also, just as there are you know, various views in quantum physics, there's quite a variation, and you know, terms of spiritual traditions, Okay, generally speaking, they all point toward the same thing, but how you get from you know, A to Z is quite different in each of the spiritual traditions. So, yes, I am familiar with what you with what you just described.

7:38 I think that there is no question that what it all boils down to is this. We started from one source consciousness. There that source consciousness fell in a series of limitations. And what do I mean by limitations? What I mean is delusions of consciousness. So, for instance, you have to have limited or dilution of consciousness in order to experience individual existence. Why well, simply because if you weren't differentiated from the source consciousness, you'd be the source consciousness, you'd be reabsorbed under the source consciousness, you'd be part of the everything. So that somehow the everything has to fool itself into thinking it's something. And the way it does that is by projecting limited portions of its consciousness

8:23 out to create these different spiritual centers, to create these different parallel dimensions. So what it really is all about is limitation now taking that into consideration, by the time you get down to where we are, which I think is pretty low in the total poll, By the time you get down to where we are, you're talking about a lot of limitation of consciousness. So you know clearly what these masters are doing, or what anybody who's seeking enlightenment is doing, is increasing their rate of frequency, increasing their rate of consciousness in order to work their way back up the life are, you know, essentially acquire more awares, acquire more consciousness and therefore raise themselves or you described

9:07 to begin that process of reascending.

9:10 So would the stories of the yogis, let's say, the ancient yogis that we're able to do let's say, quote unquote magical things like levitation or biolocation or things like that, even within the last one hundred two hundred years. Their yogis that walk the earth, even currently we're working on the earth through our quote unquote enlightened beings. Is that what they were doing in a sense of like raising their vibration to the point where, for lack of a better word, they're neo and they're starting to see the code of the matrix, and they're learning how to manipulate it in ways that we just can't comprehend, so it looks magical to us.

9:45 Yeah, I think that's a pretty accurate description. I mean, when you have these these type of phenomena, non ordinary phenomenon, I mean, to the extent that they're being expressed by these individuals, it means that they're they penetry beyond the illusion of the fact that we're material, because we're not material.

10:04 What we are. What we are is a mixture of we are energy that has convinced itself that it is solid three D matter. Okay, and that's not just a spiritual statement, that's a quantum fact. I mean, we all know. I think all your listeners probably know enough to understand that what we view as solid three D objects, including our bodies, are actually not solid at all. They're composed of subatomic particles with vast quantities of space between them, and that are composed of light, energy and quantum. Physicists know at the very basis of reality there is no such thing as matter. All there is is a wave of quantum potential, a wave of energy. So energy is primary and matter descends from energy. Matter essentially is coagulated energy.

10:55 It's energy that has slowed in vibration.

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11:08 So consequently, you look at something as simple as Einstein's equals and e equals mc square, the famous equation. What that equation is telling you that matter comes from energy. Energy and matter are interchangeable, and that's the basis of the atomic bomb. The atomic bomb is releasing that captive energy and matter and unleashing that tremendous amount of energy back into an atomic phenomenon. So yeah, I mean the gurus or the Yogi's or whatever you talked about that experience these that are able to manifest these phenomena. Yeah, they would have achieved a level of awareness that essentially has transcended them above the illusion of the fact that we are physical beings and they're able to manipulate energies

11:57 at a higher level.

11:58 I love that I've never heard you a head brought to that level because the concept of we're all energy, and you know, there a top level where there is mass amounts of space. But I love when you said that it's energy that has slowed down and coagulated to believe that it's solid that actually makes a tremendous amount of sense to me, because the higher the vibration, I guess, the less coagulated it is in many ways, which then goes along with what these these ancient stories of Yogi's or even Jesus's miracles in the Bible, and what he was doing. He was doing very Yogic things back then, these miracles because he was probably again he was the Neo and was seeing beyond behind the code, if it will.

12:47 Well, one of the most astonishing things that I chronic or I talk about in my new book Quantum Spirituality, is that, you know, I demonstrate very graphically how the Gnostic Text predicted almost every major there quantum physics. And one of the most striking things that they predict is what's called the God particle. Now you may have heard of the God particle. It was in I think one of Dan Brown's movies. And twenty twelve they finally found the little bugger that they've been looking for for fifty years, called the Higgs boson. That's called the God particle. And essentially, what the Higgs boson does is that when matter enters into our universe, and incidentally, scientists don't know what I

13:27 mean I should say when energy enters into our universe, scientists do not know what energy is. Okay, No, if you ask a scientist what is energy, they're either lying to you or they'll just be honest and say, we have no idea. They can manipulate it. They know how to manipulate it for certain purposes under limited circumstances, but they don't know where it comes from, and they really don't know what it is. Energy comes into our universe at a high rate of frequency. And what happens is that our universe is surrounded by a blanket and effect called the Higgs field, and the Higgs field contains these they're kind of almost like virtual particles Higgs bosons, and the Higgs bosons attach themselves to these high streams of

14:07 energy and they begin to slow them down. So think of like, for instance, you take a gun and you start shooting it into a swimming pool. Okay, the water from the swimming pool slows the velocity of the bullet as opposed to the bullet traveling through just plain air. So the Higgs boson essentially acts in the same way.

14:26 It slows down these high energy streams to the point where they start to take on mass, they start to take on the characteristics of mass or matter. This is now pretty much scientific fact. So the Gnostics describe this exact process as of their One of these high Gnostic beings, basically an aspect of God or an aspect of the Source, falls into a dimension called chaos, which is really chaos is part of quantum physics too. It's chaos is basically unformed potential. It's potential, you know, in the it's in potentiality.

15:05 It hasn't actually coalesced into an object yet, okay, but it's an object in potential. So this figure falls into chaos, and it's a high energy figure, and it's surrounded by what the text called proto matter, which is astonishing because that's like another word for virtual particles. So these virtual particles and potential swarmed around this high energy being and lowered her frequency. She starts crying out to Heaven, I'm becoming mass, I'm becoming matter. I'm becoming is led save me, And essentially the whole story from then on is about how this interaction with that high energy stream slowed down by these virtual particles, leads to the formation of matter.

15:45 It's like astonishing. It's an exact description of the God particle.

15:48 So if we're all in agreement that we're all energy and really we should be able to just walk through walls or walk through anything, because there's really no matter quote unquote on a subatonic level. What is the organizing factor that makes Peter Peter and Alex Alex? What is the intelligence that is holding all of these protons and neutrons and electrons together to form this this these beings that are Peter and Alex.

16:18 Okay, well, there's there's a short answer and there's a long answer to that. The short answer is that we are part of this stream of consciousness that descended from this one source. So if you take a look at the typical Judeo Christian version of creation, essentially it pictures human beings as these separate creations that were made out of the dust of the earth, and you know, we're kind of like these little wind up dolls that were placed down here, and oh, by the way, we sinned against God and pissed him off, and now we're forever trying to get back in as good graces, you know, kind of like here. So here's the difference. Pinocchio was a creation of Geepeto. Geppetto was the maker, Okioa was

17:01 the thing that was made. That's the Judeo Christian version. But in the Gnostic and the mystical version, and this goes back to the Hindus also, that's not the way it was. We are actually emanations. That word emanation means a projection of an essence. It is of the same essence projected outward. Okay, so we are part of this conscious energy stream that was projected from the source itself.

17:25 Now we get back into why do you perceive yourself as you or me? And why we perceive a world around us. It's because of this limitation I spoke about. We are even though we are part of that source consciousness, we are vastly limited parts of that source consciousness. So we don't perceive ourselves. We've forgotten ourselves as part of that source in effect, and we think of ourselves as these separate creations. And another analogy. You know, this always gets into very dense stuff, So I always try and give people an analogy to help them understand. Think of a pure stream up in the mountains, a pure lake up in the mountains. You know, it's absolutely pristine, but it flows down the side of the mountain like a waterfall. Okay. Now,

18:07 as it flows down the mountain, it starts to pick up dirt and contaminants and it gets down the bottom and it gets really muddy. But it's all part of the same stream. Okay. So the source itself is unlimited, but the stream itself picks up all kinds of pollutants and bad ideas and limitations and manifest is something that looks something different down at the bottom of the Mountain's that's what we are where the stuff at.

18:30 The bottom doesn't stuff very appetizing.

18:33 Sorry, we're bottom feeder. It's what can I tell you?

18:37 So we talked a little bit about the many world's theory. Can you describe or does the many worlds theory reflect ancient ideas of alternate realities?

18:48 You know, the many the many worlds theory? Again, you know you did accurately describe it in the sense that you know, for everything we do, every decision we make on alternate reality is created. Really, I have not run into any ancient spiritual traditions that describe that at all.

19:05 Okay, you know.

19:06 That that's more. That's really more of a one of several competing theories and quantum you know, and quantum physics along with string theory and other other kinds of theories of multiverse and parallel universes. But I mean strictly speaking, no, I mean in terms of ancient spiritual tecks. I've really not run into anything that is described like that.

19:28 So so in the world that we live in, in this dimension that we live in currently, we have to deal with time and space, where quantum physics is starting to throw that a little bit. With quantum entanglement, time and space is starting to not be real anymore. So my question to you is, after speaking to so many people who've had I've had a lot of near death experiences on I've had quantum physicists on talking about the concept of reincarnation as a soul, and we're going a little bit more spiritual here, but it kind of goes I'll go back to the it'll get back to quantum physics in a second. The idea that there is no past life and there is no future life, that all lives are happening at the exact same time because there

20:08 is no time or space on the other side, Is there anything in quantum physics that kind of can make sense of all of that at the exact same time, or have you heard of anything in your research. Absolutely, we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show.

20:33 Yeah, I mean I think you're right. I mean, at the most fundamental level of reality, there is no such thing as space or time is There only is is, There's only consciousness, undifferentiated consciousness. The concept of space and time is again a function of the limitation. This is why I keep mentioning the word limitation, because it's apparent what we what we view as reality is an apparent reality.

20:55 It's what it seems like reality to us. Okay, now you mentioned the matrix, you mentioned neo, so strong indications are that essentially we're living in a holographic projection. Okay. And the the thing about a hologram is you can slice and dice a hologram up into any kind of parts you want, but each little piece of that hologram contains the image of the hole. So, going back to quantum maintangment, how do you explain quantum maintaglement? What that is is like particles that are the essentially like hundreds of thousands or millions of light years apart can instantly communicate with one another. So you know, like, if there's an Alex on Mars and one here on Earth, and I pinched the one on Earth and one on Mars

21:37 go's outs at the exact same moment, how does that happen? I mean, you guys aren't connected by strings or a fiber optics or anything else. He communicate, so it's happening at an energetic level, right, So essentially what they started developing this holographic universe that you're saying, You know what, maybe the way to explain this is that everything really is part of one hole and it's all happening at the same time time. The only thing is we're only perceiving one part, a one half, a one little piece of the equation. We're not seeing the whole picture. So if we saw the whole picture, we would probably be transcending time in space. And yet we're stuck in our little perceptive corner, not seeing the entire hologram, but just

22:21 seeing seeing our little portion of the whole ground. I mean, you cited the Hindu tradition a couple of times. Now you probably know the story of the elephant right in the the blind Yes.

22:32 Of course, yeah, yeah, yah, of course.

22:33 Yeah.

22:33 They're all seeing the.

22:34 Part of the whole right there are Yeah, exactly, So each of them feels a part of the elephant. That's the that's their reality that they're describing. You know, what they think is the reality. They're not seeing the whole elephant. So I think there's your answer right there. I always thought that was a beautiful analogy to explain.

22:47 It with a up question. So this cosmic, this cosmic hologram that we're talking about here, I mean that is Maya in basically what the Hindus we're talking about seven thousand years ago. Is that fair?

23:01 Yes?

23:02 So then in ancient in other ancient wisdom that you've been able to see, or ancient civilizations, what other civilizations had these ideas of the great Illusion? I mean the two that I come up to mind always the Hindus with Maya and the Aborigine with the Great Dream. Do you have any other examples of that? The kind of really bring it home to people that this concept of a callographic, non real world that we live in is not just from nineteen ninety nine when the matrix came out.

23:33 It's been around for quite some time.

23:34 Yeah, I mean almost almost all the almost all the major religions. I mean, Gnosticism is a confluence of the Kabbalah of Persians, the Rostrianism of Hellenistic philosophy. It's really a combination of all those dreams and all those traditions describe some kind of process of oneness breaking itself up or limiting, limiting itself, descending down the ladder into multiplicity.

24:05 And the multiplicity is duality or multiplicity is where the illusion arises because it all stems from one. I mean, you know, look, a lot of people think that Hinduism is a polytheistic religion. At its heart, it's not. It's mono theistic. And it's hard because there's one God, there is one entity, but it expresses itself in multiple forms. Okay, So I mean even you know, you have that in Christianity, where you know, it's the trinitarian Christianity. Now, Judaism on the surface has been more staunchly mono theistic, but that's an illusion too because if you look at the Kabbalah, which is the mystical tradition of Judaism, stemming back thousands of years. It's almost saying it's almost exactly the same

24:54 as the Gnostics. It's they describe that, you know, reality as a contraction of the one mind, you know, producing these various you know, limitations and appearances of multiplicity, but it all boils down to one. It's all a matter of appearance. And that's where the maya or the illusion comes in.

25:13 Is there any way that quantum physics and ancient wisdom kind of intersect when trying to understand consciousness?

25:23 There is? Well, First of all, I have to say that for a long long time now, science has done their best to avoid the idea of consciousness. In fact, today, if you talk about consciousness and scientific circles, it's called the hard problem. That's how that's that's this common jargon to describe consciousness. That's called the hard problem. And it's called that for a reason because they can't explain it, and actually it really runs counter to scientific materialism. So we have to make a distinction in science because there's been a traditional science, just like there was traditional religion. Okay, there has been a traditional orthodox version of science, the religion that scientists so criticize. It's it's it. I get

26:05 a kick out of this because there's a scientific orthodoxy that is every bit as dogmatic as the Catholic Church, Okay, and that that that's that scientific orthodoxy essentially tries to say that consciousness is the result of a physical process that somehow inorganic matter became organic, and they never describe how that happens. Uh. And then uh, you know, you have these single cell organisms that were crashing into one another and eventually combining into more complex forms and evolving, you know, and you know, leading to higher animal higher forms of animal life and eventually while a lot of consciousness happens. It's a ridiculous explanation. I mean, it's it's just it's so patently unscientific, and that's the way they

26:55 tried to, you know, brush off the whole idea. Now there is a growing minority, but it's it's it's a current that is really happening in science now to understand that rather than a bottom up process that happened in a material basis, it's consciousness that came first, and that material the materiality is a result of consciousness starting from the top and working way down, working its way down to the bottom. So that that really makes a lot more sense from so many different points of view to view consciousness as primary over matter rather than matter creating consciousness.

27:33 And there are a number of different theories, but all kind of pointing towards the same thing that are really being picked up and have been kind of stirring for decades now in science. Some of them are called panpsychism, which is the idea that consciousness is present in every single thing. It's only a matter of degree. So there's you know, the difference between us and a rock is a matter of degree of consciousness. There is a growing i think understanding that you get rid of so many paradoxes and unexplained phenomena that happened on a quantum and scientific basis when you start off with consciousness as your premise and then work your way down. So there is an interesting clash going on between traditional science and a

28:21 burgeoning new view of consciousness, and it's going to be playing itself out you certainly from this point on.

28:28 Why do you think that at this point in human history, to our knowledge at least, this awareness is starting to creep in, and not just in science and quantum physics, but these kinds of conversations are happening more and more in today's world than it would have one hundred years ago. Mind you, we understand the Internet, and there's a lot more easy it's all easier to get information. But why do you believe that there's this kind of awakening to a lot of these concepts and ideas.

28:58 Well, in my mind, it's very simple reason. It's because prior to nineteen hundred, we had no understanding quantum physics. I mean, you know, you go back to some of the classical thinkers and classical philosophers. I mean, it's incredible to me that the Greeks had a concept of atoms thousands of years ago. The Greeks were brilliant, but by and large is science. Up until nineteen hundred, when Mock's Plank first started, the German physicists first started exploring the quantum world, there really wasn't a great understanding of the fact that we're composed of light energy. So all these discoveries in quantum physics now, and remember this, by and large, people have been living with different religious traditions, less so

29:41 than spiritual traditions. The difference between religion and spirituality is that religion basically is think of it as a box and they say, we have all the answers in this box, right, and those boxers are usually full of dogmas and things. Spirituality, on other hand, is an open ended process where people can go in and they can, you know, have these spiritual understandings, but then they understand, you know, I want to move on to the next level. So so spirituality is more of a growth process. Religion is more of a stagnant process. But they still have had their concepts of things like the afterlife and the soul and so forth and so on.

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30:29 But honestly, you you you've had people, the vast majority of people have had to take both religion and spiritualisdom on faith. Now, faith is something that you get secondhand from somebody else, so you can believe it or not believe it, right, and faith can also be very much manipulated because there's people with agendas out there and they use faith, you know.

30:52 To stop it. Stop it, Peter, stop it. I can't believe you.

30:57 Sorry to surprise you, Sorry to pop that on you, but you know faith, faith, and you know faith has its place, but it also has its drawbacks. Okay, what supersedes faith. The thing that supersedes faith is experiential knowledge. Now, what I mean by experiential knowledge is not stuff that you read in a book that's factual or wrote knowledge, and that has its place, too, But experiential knowledge is like, Okay, so I tell you that fire burns. Okay, now you can take that on faith, but you don't know for sure until you stick your hand in the fire. Once you stick your hand in the fire, you own that experience and then you know it to be a reality.

31:34 So I think that most people have had to take things on faith. And it's like, yeah, I think so, but I don't know. That's what they tell me. And in all honesty, when you read spiritual texts or you read the Bible or any other religious scripture, you know you really have to take these things on faith, whether or not there's really something there. But I think what happened was with the rise of quantum physics from nineteen hundred on the rational part of people's minds, the left brains of people's minds, was being assaulted with new information.

32:08 And that new information, as we've discussed today, started to support some of the things that these ancient traditions have said that, Hey, there ain't no such thing as a solid world in all reality, it's just the perception of one. You know, what we view as the solid world is really kind of like a disturbance or blip in the in the in the quantum energy field from which everything or everything arises. Yes, it's our limitations that prevent us from experiencing that, but people have experienced I've experienced it, okay.

32:36 I mean, the reason why I'm an international businessman, the reason why I got into this, and the reason why I'm on your show, is because I had a series of vivid experiences that changed the course of my life. Now, in my case, they were spontaneous. Sometimes if you're lucky people, that happens to certain people. Most of the times, people have to arrive at these understandings through a more you know, a course of study, experimentation, meditation, and everything else, and then they start to have those experiences with extraordinary consciousness that lead them to understand, Hey, there's more to life than what I think there is. There really is something else out there. There's other forces out there that are

33:15 at play here that affect this world. You can take that as an intellectual proposition, but again, once you get to the point where you've actually experienced these things and then you own it and you know it to be real. I know this stuff to be real and my gut because I can cite you multiple instances of why I think that's real because of what I've been through. But everybody has to get to that place through a different door.

33:37 And I do think that the development of quantum physics now gives us a scientific or kind of left brain approach to understandings of what we've had to take on faith for thousands of years. So I think it's that moment in nineteen hundred that started to shift things.

33:56 What were If you don't mind me asking would you like to share some of those spiritual experiences that you have.

34:00 It, well, yeah, I don't mind. I mean it all started off when I was in my twenties and I found out that I was a medical intuitive, and I was I went to a group that at that time taught something called ESP, which has kind of fallen out of the lexicon nowadays extrasensory perception, but that's what it was called back then. And you know, I was sitting opposite somebody in a chair and just talking like I'm talking to you, and and they they were able to.

34:38 This group had a collection of index cards where the people who had been through this course, and there were quite a few back then. I had to bring in the name of an individual with either a medical, psychological problem or whatever, and they would have the information on this card. So one person would have the card and the other person would essentially try and give the reading what was going on. So it was pretty controlled because the person who had the car was not allowed to lead you on in any way, and any response that you gave, if it was incorrect, they didn't want to discourage you by saying, hell, no, you really miss that one.

35:17 They would just simply say I don't have that information here. But if you hit on something, they were able to say, yes, I have that information, like what else can you tell me? So the very first case that I got was a gentleman who actually happened to be living in Miami Beach where I am now, and he was seventy four years old, and they just gave me his name agent address. And the very first thing that I was attracted to was the area of his heart and it looked to me like his heart was tilted at a funny angle, causing the a order to be pinched. And I said, I told them that. They said, well, what does that mean to you? And I said, what it means to me is a blockages in the order. And they said that's correct.

35:53 They said, what else can you tell us? And I said, well, I feel something like metallic in the bottom quadrant of his heart. I think he had a pacemaker installed. And they said, that's correct. Can you tell us what year the pacemaker was installed? So I see in my mind, I see the hands of a clock spinning wildly. But then they stopped dead at ten o'clock, which indicated to me ten years prior. And so I stated, you know, ten years prior, and that was correct. So once I, once I got over the rational kickback of what I was doing, and I was just able to let it go and experience it, it opened up just a whole slew phenomena that I would experience remote viewing, clairvoyance, claire audience premonitions.

36:37 You know, I actually used this to save my life in Africa one time. I was actually working in Nigeria in the nineteen seventies and it could be a pretty dangerous place over there, and there wasn't very good transportation, and we had to go from one city down south up north. It was about an eight hour nine hour trip through the jungles because the airplanes weren't working day, which was pretty frequent, And we were just about to get into one of these transports that you know, carried you know, probably another half a dozen people. And the guy I was with, I felt something very strong and I saw I don't want to get in here, and he said, well, you know what, we got to be up here, we have an appointment. I said, I don't care.

37:17 There's something wrong, and he thought I was crazy, but I was crazy enough to prevail upon him and I you know, and you know he didn't, he didn't get in what we found out the next day that that same transport was attacked by brigands in the jungle and a couple of passengers were killed. So I but I had I had things like this, you know. I mean, I don't I don't want to sit here and give a recital of this, but these are the kind of things that I was happening. So what was happening? I mean, I was obviously communicating, you know, with some higher form of energy.

37:48 And so then when you started to understand this about yourself, how did you deal with it on a psychological standpoint? I mean, this is not this is not normal this. Yeah, I was going to say this is not normal talk back then. Even it's not normal talk now, but it's a little bit more understood and more mainstream now than it was back when you were having When it was happening to you, I.

38:09 Had a very very difficult time for a while because I became like a psychic sponge. I literally would know conversations almost word for word ten minutes before they were going to happen. You know, I was on an airplane and I had a stack of probably one two hundred pages of documents, and I got off the airplane and I had a flash in my mind at pages ten and eleven were missing somehow, And I went back on the plane and sure enough, ten and eleven and fall underneath the seat. So, you know, it wasn't a good thing because I didn't want to be in people's heads.

38:42 I didn't want to invade their thoughts. But if somebody shook my hand, I know all kinds of things about them, the things that I didn't necessarily want to know, and it was really difficult and I had physical issues over it, and I actually went to London to the British Spiritualist Association in Belgravia Square to try and get some advice and some help at that time. So for a while I just kind of fled it, you know, and then later on I kind of came back. I didn't really want to be in that level of knowing. It was too much. It was like a having a spigot turned on and the water just gushing out, and I didn't want it to be like that. But I will say so, you know, I decided to write books to describe these

39:31 experiences in order to help other people have an understanding of these things. And I wrote a trilogy which became a twenty five time award winning trilogy, and the first book of that trilogy is about an African nun who becomes the first female pope at a time when American iron Or going into a nuclear war. Well, at times I felt that that book I didn't even write that book.

39:53 I felt it was written for me. And Old Times Magazine ended up doing an article on all the geopolitical predictions that came true in the book, and they were you know, a dozen that you know, you know, predicted an irongoing nuclear or the Second Gulf War, the fact that there would be a third world pope that was an Italian, that would come from the Third World, and Francis was the first one, and that he would take that that that pope would take a name that wasn't a typical papal name, and that was the first time to that all all these things were predicted in Pope Analysa.

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40:35 So you know, I still use it, and I still use it in my writings and I get information. But that's good that I'm kind I feel a little bit more in control of that. I no longer want to be at the point where I shake your hand and I know your whole history.

40:52 So it sounds like if I'm going to use the analogy of the water that you did before with consciousness, it seems like, well, we're incarnated, We're thrown from consciousness, pure consciousness, into the material space, and depending on where we are, where we have evolved to depends on the level of how deep we go. Some people always go all the way down to the bottom of the floor with the pressure, and that it's really hard to move the vibrations extremely low, let's say, down there. And then as you start to evolve spiritually and start understanding more and more of how the game is played, what the rules are, you start evolving. Hence the Yogis or Jesus or these ascended masters start to going up to the

41:35 point where you finally can break through the water again in an incarnation and understand, ah, I see everything. Is that a fair analogy of what our soul is kind of going through?

41:47 Well, you know, I believe it's probably true that souls come in at different levels of consciousness, coming to the earth at different levels of consciousness. So maybe that's why some people, you know, have spontaneous experiences like I had, and for other people, you know, it's more more of a difficult process. I mean, that would make logical sense, just to account for the you know, the account for things. However, however, the good news is that everybody can assent. Everybody has that ability to trace their consciousness back towards the source consciousness and you know, achieve potentialities that you know, we would say are remarkable for turning around you know, people's people's lives and the factors that are involved there. You know,

42:36 besides let's say level of soul awareness, of soul growth that you reincarnate with. You know, the factors that evolve there have a lot to do with things like your desire, your motivation, your ability to be open minded to use visualization to you know, there's a in the book Quantum Spirituality I write about, you know, the factors of meditation and that help the people to propel them to have these kind of extraordinary experiences. And there are different factors you know, that can be played with that can accelerate people's growth.

43:10 Now, so when you were explaining what happened to you, it sounds like almost that you were when you came in in our incarnation. You were at a higher level, but were unaware that you were at a higher level, unlike someone who was training and going up and evolving and understanding slowly these abilities coming to them. These were thrust upon you and you weren't prepared for them, which probably was part of your evolution as a soul to deal with it in this lifetime. Is that a fair statement.

43:41 I think it could be a fair statement. Yeah.

43:43 Yeah. So that's how because I've talked to so many different people who've had these extra sensory perceptions, whether it's a psychic medium or a channel or even your death experiences. Some of them it's a smooth transition. Other ones are like, I feel like I'm going crazy because I hear voices. So it's just different levels of ability. But some are just aware of those abilities and can control them so much easier, and other ones it's just kind of thrust upon.

44:10 It'd be the equivalent of me, all of a sudden being being able to be Michael Jordan and well even better. Yet, if I was given a billion dollars tomorrow, I don't know how I would deal with that because I'm not prepared intellectually, maybe emotionally, maybe spiritually on what that kind of responsibility and energy coming towards me in a life I would be able to deal with. Where you give that to Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos, that's just a Saturday morning for them.

44:39 Yeah. I mean there was a time when I was younger where I felt I had one foot more in another world than this one. I was starting to lose my perception of myself as being part of this world, and I was like floating off into the wherever. Yeah, and I felt very detached from from, you know, from this world if I I'm often wondered if I had died at that time, I might not have even noticed it.

45:11 And I tried. It got to a point where its too very difficult to operate. Uh. And I think that the whole trick to this thing is you have to operate within the material world. I mean I never subscribed to that as set ascetic asthetic, not aesthetic but a s c e. T. I see, you know, the monastic kind of existence where you just go off in a cave and you know, you meditate. So I mean, to me, the whole idea is you take that consciousness, but you use it within this world. You use it for something, you use it within this world. So I never really understood that kind of you know, monastic thing, at least not for any great period of time. Because to me, you know, I feel that human beings are the fingers

45:58 of God touching the face of this world, and that our task is to spiritualize the material and bring the experience of the material back to spirit. It's like a two way communication. You know what, Higher consciousness gets the experience that it couldn't have of being in physical form through us. But by the same token we when we become more enlightened, we can handle this world in a more spiritual way and raise the vibration of this world.

46:24 So human beings are actually a very important bridge between consciousness and matter, and that's a much more exalted position than what Judeo Christianity has left us with as a human beings. Is these kind of lowly you know, separate pinocchios running around here trying to get back in God's good grace.

46:41 Well, I mean it was just what Jesus said. I mean, everything I could do, you could do in more the Kingdom of Heaven is within you. But these have been all bastardized by the powers that be for control purposes, to control the public. Because if I tell you that, like, oh, you have all the power to talk to God, well why do you need me?

47:01 So you see what you just described. What you just described was gnosticism and the fall of gnosticism. The original mystical Christian message was just as you described it, and it was bastardized there were two streams of Christianity. Okay, there was the inner mystical Church, and then there was the outer church, the Church of the Platitudes, the Beatitudes, the mass consumption church. And we know that for a fact, that's not speculation because in the Bible it says that unto the disciples he gave the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, but unto those without he spoken parables. And we have further evidence of that in the writings of the early church fathers, so Clement of Alexandria and Origin, who were both early Christian bishops of Alexandria, which was

47:42 a major Christian center at that time, Alexander, the Greek city of Alexandria and Egypt, affirmed that Jesus had an inner mystical teaching that was not taught to the masses because they would not be most of them wouldn't be able to understand it. So there was a mystical church right from the very beginning. And if you read the Gnostic Gospels, what you're seeing is what the original Jesus was teaching. Uh. What what happened? What happened, unfortunately, was that just as you said, uh, the outer Church, which had a lesser understanding, started dogmatizing and codifying and you know, messing around with the mystical teachings, and they twisted it in such a way as to create a hierarchy of power of bishops, of priests, of bishops, and everything else.

48:28 Of course, the Gnostics said, well you need that. You know, the Church is not an intercessor between us and God. We have a direct line of communication if we you know, we're but aware of it, we can have a direct line of communication. We don't need all the all the you know, all this whole circumstance. Yeah, and you know, you interposing yourself between us and God. Of course, that was a major threat to the developing Orthodox Church, and eventually they had to eradicate the mystics, so we lost We could have been as advanced in our spiritual understanding as some Hindu thinking in the West, but we lost that with the eradication of the Gnostics, and we lost that with the eradication of our Judaeo Christian mystical tradition.

49:12 That's something I've always wondered because in the Hindu tradition, the mystics and the mystical aspects of it has been around thousands of years and pretty in there. It wasn't really just a touch too much, but there is I've heard rumors, but I've heard rumblings of the mystic the mystics in Judaism, you know, the and and also in christian and Christianity, but not as much in Christianity as it was the mystics in Judaism. But it is something that is really just kind of stampered down and put into the back room and not allowed to come up.

49:50 But it is there without question.

49:53 Okay, Okay, So so yeah, you really hit on something here. So take the three Abrahamic religions, is Christianity, Islam. Okay, Judaism had the Kabbalah, Christianity had the Gnostics, and Islam had the Sufis. So those three, those three, the Sufis, the Gnostics, and the Kabbalists were the mystical traditions, the inner core or mystical traditions of each of their outward religions, and in fact, they had more in common with one another than they had with their own outward traditions. Okay, the Sufis, the Gnostics, and the Kabbalists were pretty much saying the same thing that I've described to you here.

50:35 What I described as Nastisism, you know, could easily be interchangeable with Islamic Sufhism or Judaic Kabbalism.

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50:55 So the Christian tradition, though, was much more suppressed, and that's why you don't hear as much from them. You know. Somehow the Kabbalah was able to you know, survive, and the the Sufis were able to survive into the modern age. But the Catholic Church did an incredible job with Rollman efficiency of eradicating the mystical tradition, and that's why you don't hear as much about it. But the Gnostic Gospels, there was a big find in nineteen forty five, the same year that the atomic bomb came into his existence.

51:31 And I do not think this is a coincidence that they found a major case of the Gnostic Gospels, and for the first time we were able to hear the voices of the Gnostic masters, whereas prior to that primarily we had to understand the Gnostics through the writings of their enemies. The church fathers describing them. So, you know, gnosticism, Gnosticism is making its way back into the mainstream. You know, I'm not the only one who writes about gnosticism. There's a lot of scholars out there, Elaine Pagel's, Paguel's and Stephen Haller. You know, there's a lot of people out there that write about gnosticism. In fact, if you google it or you go to Amazon Books, I'm sure you'll find scores of books on gnosticism. But the Gnostic wisdom

52:18 is coming back into the mainstream to our benefit.

52:20 And I mean it was the Roman and the Roman Catholic Church. And by the way, plase forgive me. When I went to Italy and I went to Vatican City, at that one moment I realized all my life I was raised a Roman Catholic. I was like, oh my god. I never connected Rome with Catholicism. I just never connected to me, like, oh my God, it was Constantine. It was a Roman emperor who set all this up and started in the Council of Nice and all this kind of stuff and getting rid of a lot of the Gnostic text and getting rid of all the mystical stuff, and God forbid, reincarnation is in there, and all that kind of stuff was pulled out. It is something that is that information is slowly starting to seep its way back into the mainstream because of shows like this, because

53:04 of the freedom of information that we have now with the Internet. And I also don't believe that that's an accident that it's happening at this point.

53:12 Yeah, yeah, it's pretty accurate what you described. So essentially, Constantine saw a way to unify the Roman Empire, which was fragmenting socially and politically, and he saw the religion as a tool to do that. And what way to snap people online better than you know, to religiously, I mean, you make fanatics out of them. So yeah, that had a lot to do with it. And the consuls that happened afterwards, you know, the Chalcedon and Icea and everything else, started to describe what it meant to be unorthodox Christian Orthodox meaning right thinking in Greek. Okay, so you had the Orthodox Catholic Church back in those days. I mean they eventually they separated into the Eastern Roman Empire became

53:58 Orthodox in the Western Roman Empire was Catholic, but originally they were Orthodox Catholic h And yeah, they the very word itself, orthodox means right thinking. Heretic means someone who ain't thinking right.

54:15 You and I, sir. You and I, sir are heretics, obviously.

54:17 Yeah. The heretics actually were the ones who kind of had the you know, we're kind of really clued in. Unfortunately.

54:23 It's it is fascinating how this is all coming. Do you believe that that the that there is a conscious awakening and consciousness of humanity, even though there is all this insanity happening in the world, that there is this kind of shift in opening and awakening.

54:40 Yeah, And I think a lot of it has to do with a recognition of the sacred femine. I mean, look years ago, a couple of decades ago, when I go to consciousness gatherings like Whole Life Expo or you know, any of these consciousnesses, Yeah, it would be like to you know, they be two hundred people that are going be one hundred and ninety nine women in me and now you go to these and it's pretty much equal.

55:08 And I think what's happening is that things kind of cycle around, and the feminine principle of life has a lot to do with relying on intuition and feeling as opposed to rational, analytic and logical. So we've been in that rational, analytical and logical mind state for many, you know, centuries now, and I think that people are starting to understand that subjective consciousness is probably even more important gateway to understanding reality than science is. But let me just say they're equal, Okay, at the very least they're equal.

55:49 You can approach reality from a scientific standpoint, which takes a look at nature and then kind of works its way up, or you can approach it from a subjective standpoint, which is getting insights and intuition that come from the top and then working your way down and eventually they meet in the in the middle somewhere. So metaphysics to me is just as important as physics itself, as quantum physics.

56:13 And you know, you have a left brain in a right brain, right, okay, So the right brain is your more intuitive and feeling nature where it resides, and in the left brain it's more analytical and logical. I think what's happening now is people are becoming more balanced. So instead of being one or the other, I think we're becoming both. And in fact, the psychologist Carl Jung said exactly that when you you know, you merge that left brain and right brain, that's when you become an actualized being. Well, that's the same thing that Jesus said in the Gnostic Gospels.

56:43 He said, when the male becomes the female and the female becomes the male, and the two become one, then you will move. Then you will realize the kingdom Hem, and then you will move mountains.

56:53 Now, Peter, I'm gonna ask you a few questions, ask all my guests, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

56:58 Well, I think something that makes you feel good. I think doing something that that that that makes you feel worthwhile, helpful, in service to others, performing something that a task that is transcends yourself. Uh. And that has a lot to do with, you know, being of service to others. I mean, you know, I mean honestly, what I'm doing now being on your show and everything takes away from my business life, Okay, but I'm happy to do that because I feel, you know, I'm what I'm trying to do is help other people get to the point where they have this these experiences with higher or extraordinary consciousness, because then I believe they become better human beings. I believe it helps their their lives out and so that's why, you know, that's why

57:48 I do this. So for me, you know, that's that's fulfilling. If I were simply going about business and earning money all the time, well that would be great. There's nothing wrong with money, let me tell you, But that would not be for me, not be a fulfilled life.

58:02 If you can go back in time and talk to little Peter, what advice would you give him?

58:07 You know, I I think I would probably have said, be a little bit more at ease with the world. I always felt when I was young, a sense of alienation, that that something was wrong here that I didn't I didn't really fit in, that that they had to be way more than what you know I was. I was, I was feeling, and and it really, in some way, in some ways that was good because maybe maybe that's what was my spark, you know, that led me on to this, I mean, or maybe that was the early indication of where my later life would had. Was this feeling of alienation or something else is going on here, And emotionally I probably would have said ease up a little bit you know, don't let it worry you so much, you know, don't be so don't don't be so concerned

58:58 about it. Just go with the flow and we'll let it, let it unfold itself. I probably would have said, Yeah, that's what I probably would have told myself.

59:05 How do you define God or source energy?

59:08 Consciousness? Consciousness that expresses itself through the vehicle of light and light is a conveys intelligence, you know, and intelligence means intention. So really there is information that is encoded in light energy, just the same way that DNA encodes the information that shapes our body. I believe that light energy encodes the information that shapes our world, It shapes our universe, that shapes creation. So that God essentially is that consciousness that conveys itself through those mediums.

59:49 And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

59:52 Like I think I said it before, I think the ultimate purpose of life is to as human beings, is to spiritualize the material, bring the experience of the material back to spirit.

1:00:03 And where can people find out more about you and the work that you're doing. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show.

1:00:16 Yeah, I think the best place to go is uh my website Petercanova dot com. That's p E T E r c A n O v A dot com. Uh. It tells about my works, the trilogy that I mentioned and my my new book, Quantum Spirituality, which incidentally the first. My publisher just entered it the first of a number of book contests, the American Book Fest. They entered it in four categories and at one in all four categories.

1:00:44 So it's a it's a it's a real it's a real dot connector. I mean, it encompasses quantum physics, the ancient spirituality, we've been talking about, union psychology. It takes several different disciplines and correlates them and shows how they're saying the same thing and giving the same indicators. So really what it is, it's like our roadmap for people who are on a spiritual journey, and it kind of has sign points that indicate things to look at, things to consider, directions to go and to enhance your spiritual growth.

1:01:20 I cannot tell anybody how to conduct their own spiritual life, but what I can do is set up an arena of knowledge and information for them to work in and then launch themselves off on their own path.

1:01:33 Peter, it has been a pleasure and honor talking to you, my friend. It was a very fascinating conversation and hopefully it's going to help a few souls out there. So I appreciate you, my friend.

1:01:42 Thank you for having me.

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