Life After Death and Beyond with James Van Praagh

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1:17 and statements expressed by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions of Next Level Soul, Its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now let's dive in to today's episode. I like to welcome to the show, James on PROG.

1:33 How you doing, James, Very good, Alex, thank you for having me.

1:36 Thank you so much for coming on the show. My friend, I'm excited to talk to You've been in this spiritual game for a couple of years.

1:43 Now, about forty give it take a year, give it take a year or two.

1:48 Right, that's yeah. So you were doing this work when it wasn't truly in vogue, if you know.

1:54 I was the first medium on television. I was out there and I didn't want to do it.

1:59 I was.

1:59 I moved to LA to a sitcom writer because I'm funny, so I thought I made money as a broadcasting sitcom writer, which I've done a couple by the way. But it was there that I went through a series of jobs in LA, temporary jobs, ended up with the William Morris Agency. I'm not in the mailor but in the basement playing staples out of contracts eight hours a day, and I was there and I knew how to be there. For some reason, I thought there's something going on here. Maybe I'll meet an agent, I'll get me a sitcom whatever.

2:23 And it was there that I had a supervisor who said, you want to go see a medium? And I said, what is that? And she said, he's someone talks to dead people. Now, I just moved to LA from New York side the cynical New Yorker and I heard California Land the fruit Nuts. I'm like, okay, here we go in California. So I humored this lady and I went to see this gentleman by the name of Brian Hurst.

2:41 And I walked into his apartment in Manhattan Beach and he said you're a medium, and I said, well, thank you. It's small, but thank you. And now the spirit world they want to use you as just change the consciousness. In two years time they go do that, and I'm like thinking, okay, this is crazy. But he went on to open give me a message from loved ones who passed over tailed messages, really incredible stuff. And I was fast and how did this guy do this? So I went to a place in La called the Body Tree, which was probably very familiar with the Body three and on Melbose and I used to go every weekend and sit and read as much as I could, and all of them subjects from near to experiences to Himalayan tests

3:16 to everything you mentioned. I at your casey everything and I started meditating, not knowing how to, but I just just relaxed myself and visualized rose or whatever, and I became very very sensitized. I went to my series of jobs, and I remember it was I was working at Paramount Studios and it was I was a contract administrator. So I moved with a way more s agency to Paramount Studios there with you know, and I was working in the contracts for syndication shows. And I remember was twelve thirty of the afternoon. I just came back from lunch and I went to my cubicle and this girl next to me, her name is Joe Dallas, and she walked into her cubicle and I looked over and I saw a dead lady standing next to Joe Dallas. And this

3:54 dead lady looked at me like staring at me like six cents lines like, and she said telepathically, I am her grandmother. I lived in Idaho, a white house, a yellow shutters. We did a footstool together and other things. I'm like what, So I asked this girl, does this make sense every detail? And she said, oh yeah, that's my grandmama. We made a pack that when she goes, she'd come back and tell me she was okay. So I freaked out, ran out of Paramount. Now what was happening with me? Went to my apartment, not knowing what was going to go on, and I didn't know who to call because it sounded like it was crazy, and who did you go to? So I called up that man, Brian Hurst, the medium, and I told him what was

4:31 going on. And he said, James, don't you remember the prediction the spirit world made? And I said yes. He said, James, I was two years ago today, so everything is in divine order, you see. And he took me under his wing and really helped me develop my mediumship and my sensitivity. And then it was really a matter of me deciding I can contact with my guides, and it was really me deciding with them. I said, if you work with us, we'll always take care of you. Matter of faith that was been tested obviously, and I knew that the loving energy that I felt when I worked that way, in a mediumistic way, that there was nothing that could ever be better than that this love. So I said, yes, I'd do it. And from that point on, I started

5:15 doing a message readings with seven years in development, but they started doing readings for people and it was old word of mouth, and I'd be two readings a day, and it went on for I was booked for two years at a time and so forth, and then eventually as producers come to my house and get a reading in my apartment. And then I was on Solved Mysteries, and then I was on a show called The Other Side NBC in the early nineties, and that was the first time a medium has been on. I was in their pilot program and the pilot and crazy and we run for about a year, and that was really my stepping off point, and then it was on. I wrote a book called Talking to Heaven based on my work.

5:45 I'm giving the shorter version of this whole thing, and I went on Larry King and the book was it was funny, it was very, very funny. The scure world said to me, it's going to be a book that'll change the world, and like, okay, so I'm open to it. So I went to Larry King show and the book had six thousand copies initial printing. I went on that show December seventh, nineteen ninety six, I think it was ninety seven, and the book went from six thousand, six hundred thousand less than a month, and the CNN bureaus around the world did not stop ringing telephones and springing un till it started Friday at six o'clock, didn't end till Sunday three three pm around the world, and they were constant bombarded.

6:23 So that was a they called the miracle.

6:25 Of publishing in those days, and that got that opened up the door for a lot of different things to happen.

6:31 So so when thank you for that, very ancise, it was a strip history life history that you had there when you when you were you weren't raised you raised religious, spiritual? How were you raised?

6:45 I was very Catholic. My mother was a very Irish Catholic and my father was Presbyterian. He didn't really care about either one, and so I went to a Catholic school for eight years, and then he went to a seminary to be a priest for a year, don't ask, And but it was really sense of I enjoyed the the I guess you'd say, the incense, and the pageant, the ceremonial, right, that part of it. I love that.

7:12 I love the prayer part. But I didn't understand certain things like eating the body, drinking the blood of Christ because for an eight year old, you know, what does that mean to the cannibals. So it didn't fit for me. But there was essence. There was an essence of it that I liked that filled me up. So I would say to you that I you know, people often asked me about religions, and I said, well, there are certain things to religions will teach us. And with everything in life, you take what works for you, what resonates to your soul, and you throw back the rest. And for me, that was that sense of service of human kind that really set there. That service have been kind and making, you know, being that good to people living the Golden rule, and

7:46 that really helped with that foundation.

7:48 I'd say, so when you started to I mean because I was raised also Roman Catholic, and I'm still you and I are both recovering. I'm assuming recovery Roman Catholics. But when you were kind of confronted with this idea of mediumship. Now I'm Latino, from where I'm from.

8:07 This idea of passion.

8:10 So this concept of medium ships and psychics, it's culturally kind of baked in to the Latino culture, South American culture, Caribbean culture, absolutely, but from your Irish Catholic not so much so. When this was presented to you and you started hearing ideas or voices and not, you thought you were going, how did you reconcile the religious, the Roman Catholic in you with this new version of what's happening to you?

8:37 In this great question? And I have to go back to my childhood. Because of my childhood, I used to see spirit all the time. I used to all the time when I was really a toddler in the crib. I remember, I remember very well. They put me in the back room in the crib, and I wanted to be with the adults in the living room. So I cried my eyes out, and I remember my father used to come back to me a big lollipop thing, and that's going to do it. But every night I'd see this man with white hair in the corner the room, walk over to the crib, and he had some kind of toy he'd play with me. And years later, my grandmother was showing me a photograph album and she turned a page and I said, who's that man? She said, Oh,

9:09 that's your grandfather. He died before you were born, and that was that man, and he's come several times since that. And then I had a lot of those experience as a child. And he played with friends out in front of the street, you know, stickball or whatever it was, and I'd see a spirit around them. I'd see there are other colors around them, and I thought every kid could do that, thought everybody could do this. This wasn't anything weird or unique.

9:30 It was just every way it was.

9:32 And when they started saying, oh, you're a weird I'm like, I'm not a weirdo. Just I see those things. And I remember I was saying prayers at night with my mother. We'd say prayers every night before we go to sleep, and I would once happened, I saw these beings at the end of the bed, but these lights around them, and I'd say, Mom, who are those people with the lights on? And was oh, them, those are God's angels.

9:51 I used to see them too when I was a little girl. They'll always take care of you. Not to harm, They'll always take care of you.

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10:07 She was very in tuned my grandparents, both sides who were in tune. From the Welsh background and the Irish background. There was very much that natural ability and it does pass in families. So to me it was I don't know, it didn't feel separate from the religion, was a way of thinking. I guess for some people to belong, I've never gotten into it, but I knew what was natural for me, and I've always lived my life that it was natural. And one thing, Alex, which I'm gonna share with you and for all of your people watching or listening to this, one of the biggest things I've knew from the very beginning is I knew who I was.

10:40 And I think when one person knows who they are, then they stay pretty grounded and they go forth. And I never care whether people thought of me, because they what other people think of you as none your business, because nobody gets to know you better than know yourself. So I know who I am. I think we all have to know who we are, and I think are religions.

10:57 I think people are searching for something to fill up our soul than maybe that religion does it. And all religion does to me is it reminds us who we are. Yeah, they can help assist us.

11:06 In that reminding.

11:08 But it's a mediumship to me. I guess for my love, my development, my sole development expansion. It's very natural, and I know I prepared, as I think we all do, prepare for our life, our role in this lifetime. And I'm very much a firm believer. I'm not sure you are not. In quantum physics, and I believe in past life, future lives, all lives at one. I know that I've definitely prepared for this lifetime to communicate with the spirit world and to change the consciousness of the planet. I never have thought that before, but I see it's happening, and things are very very different now than they were when I first started. Of course, now we're much more accepting of other ways of thinking, alternative ways of being

11:45 and so forth.

11:46 Well, this conversation wouldn't have happened in nineteen eighty.

11:49 That's right, that's right. I remember there were people that used to that, skeptics who used to go to the studio and watch me do a work, my demonstration work, and they would say, oh, we did cold reading, and I was like, what is that. Don't you know what that means? Oh, you know things for you you ask certain questions and they give you answers, and all this stuff is coming at I mean, like, that doesn't work for me. That's not what I'm doing. That's not And I thought, oh, these people are ignorant. They're not aware of how I do this, and they're making these things up like that's bad, you can't do that. So they didn't understand it. And I think in most of the world is ignorance. So if people don't understand something, they

12:21 put it down. I think fear, you know, unfortunately live in fear, and fear is limiting. Of course. I think fear is a human emotion, not spiritual. I think it's very human. And I think when people don't understand something, they judge it because they fear it, they live in fear. They judge it because they want to be better. Then they want to be in control if you will, So if I put you down with that and the fearful and make you worse, then judge you. Then I feel better then. And it's just fear based basically.

12:46 Well, and at any time there's something that kind of shakes the foundation of your belief system, you either if you're insecure about that, you will then fight back. If you're secure, you could. You can tell me that the sky is purple, and I would be like, this's fine for you, but that's not my truth. I don't have to I don't have to go on and queue. You'm like, no, the sky is blue, and we start a tribe about the sky's blue people, and we're going to go kill everybody, everybody, make sure everybody knows that the sky is blue. That's where it comes. But it comes from a level of insecurity, because if you are secure with your belief system, you don't have to attack or defend it. Just is am I right? What do you think? Exactly?

13:25 One hundred percent. And it's also a control issue. So many people think I've got to be in control. I've got to control my environment. I control what happens in my life. The truth is we have no control. You can't control another person, you can't control what someone says, the only thing we can control is how we respond to things. But when people freak out, oh my god, this is outside of my paradigm what I've been going to do. Well, it's a paradigm shift. And you know that's really important that people realize they have no control.

13:50 Once you realize you have no control of other people and what other people think of you as none your business, you shift, you open up, and you expand. No.

13:58 Now, you have done probably tens of thousands of readings over the course of your of your career, and this at all those times, you must have had an inside view of the human psyche in a way that most human beings don't get in a lifetime. Is that a fair statement?

14:18 To a point? To a point, I mean, there's so you know, it's worlds within worlds within worlds. Really think about it, just such a vastness and expansion. So I definitely have had a look at certain aspects of the human and how they play, and the soul self and the different dimensions of the soul and different sense of awareness, if you will. And I'm very down to earth, I'm pretty grounded. I'm double Earth's sign Capricorn and virgo. I'm pretty down to earth about things, which I think is very helpful in this regard. So to me, I like to say that, yeah, I've been a witness of all these different types of experiences, and to me it was back to the simple truth that we are souls having human experience, not the other way around. Where souls for time,

15:00 this human This is our schools. There our soul's school and there are many many schools. This is one one of the most unevolved. I guess you could say, because we're still killing one another, we're still fighting, we still think money is power and so forth. So unfortunately not evolved because you know, when you kill one another person, you're killing yourself. We're all connected, of course, so we're not really evolved in that respect, you know, is a simple one which I like that life to me now as I've learned these things, the simple truth spirit says, it's always very simple.

15:32 It really is simple. Truth is very simple.

15:33 But the human being lives get caught up in the complexity of the simplicity. See say want things to be complex because it's complex. That means something not necessarily to me, it is really it's all about choices in life. So we are souls. We come back and choose if you will our family, our friends, our lessons we're going to learn this lifetime and the series of choices. Choices are based one of the two things, either love or fear, and that's really it. And fear fear false ego appearing real right is limiting where love is expansive and we're here to love. Our natural vibration is of love. The soul is of love, not fear fears of the human vibration.

16:13 So it's very interesting to see if if people just go back in their lives and see what they chose that of fear, what people think of them, what my parents want me to do, what society wants me to do to be accept it? Or did you live in love? Just do you do? You?

16:25 You do? You do?

16:26 You want to do? And see and see the difference, and it's amazing. So it's a simple truth if you will.

16:32 So can you explain to people what the process is for you? Are you seeing? Are you hearing voices? Are you seeing people? Do you see dead people? Or is it like images in your mind? What is the actual process when you're doing a reading?

16:46 Sure a great question. So it's just a little bit of background here. Is that to me and it is my experience I've had that the soul is Many people think the soul is encompassing the physical body. Not really. I would say my equation might be all a little bit, but the idea behind it is right. That seventy percent of the souls outside the body, only thirty percent is here.

17:06 You know, we are living on these fields. I call them mine fields outside here and in many, many levels, I call them these mine fields. And the mind is the soul. The soul is the mind, and this remnant, the smaller part here is like I call it the big toe to the soul. Because there's more of us outside here than in here. Right, So what I do in preparation of communication, and because the spirit world is all around us, you know, it's not up there heaven or Hell. It's all around us. It's all the different vistas and fields, if you will, around us. That vibrator move at a certain rate of speed. So we have all around us in types of waves, gamma rays, X rays, microwaves, television waves, all the different waves of energy. And I

17:45 once said, this is Barbara Walters. I said, you know Barbera. She has me on the view, so, well, how does this work? How does this work? I said, so you're working in a field of television and you're not sure how it works. And he goes, well, right, when you think about its degree right vibe broadcast. And I said to her, you know how it works, Barbara, is your television is the station is setting at a signal. Right, It's sensed a certain thingnal certain vibration, and there are receptors and the televisions, the receivers that will receive that certain vibration and able to use take that vibration and manifest it in a visual right. There's a basic basic broadcasting there. And so the same thing works with mediumship

18:23 in that I have to attune myself to a higher frequency, the higher vibration of energy. So it's all energy and the mind. What I do with my mind in many years development of this is I bring my mind to a certain space, an altered state of consciousness you could say, to a higher level of consciousness where it's a vibration very very quick, So mind is very very open. And what I do is because of spirit people when they won't communicate with us, they have to Everything is done with thought.

18:49 It's available in the thought world.

18:51 It's all thought.

18:51 We have the physical world.

18:52 They're in a mental world, so everything in that world moves with thought, and they have to think to themselves, Okay, I want to communicate, So I'm a slow self down to the level that the medium is able to receive me. So they consciously think, slow myself down. They lower themselves down to a certain level. The medium raises up their vibration and they meet in the middle. And that's why it's called medium in the middle. And what happens is and then I raised myself up that space. I've done it so many years now, Alex like a push a button and there is and and really they come in.

19:21 This is an interesting, interesting one that all the spirits that come and communicate real You have to realize that they might not have never done this before. It might be the very first time they're doing this. So just because they're dead, it doesn't mean they know how to do this. It's a process. So many times when I do demonstrations that call them for audiences or people online, they'll be beings around me spirit people who have nothing to do with the people that are in this in the demonstration or on the zoom call. They're watching the process so that another time they might come through and do the process the right way. So they have to slow down their thoughts and create in their minds a picture.

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20:08 Which could be representative memory, could be a picture of that person they loved when doing something the day before, and they conceived of this this concept and sent it to the medium's mind, and the medium there's nothing about it, nothing about these people or anything. So I have to be open enough to say, I see a calendar it says February twenty eighth, nineteen eighty five. I know, I feel that there's a lady here. I feel like it's a mother feeling and I'm feeling. Oh, and she shows me. Now, she's now showing me clairvoyantly. She get an image. She had brown hair and blue eye as a beautiful red smile, and she wears that yellow daisy dress. She loved the yellow daisy dress. And yes, that's my mother. That's exactly

20:41 what she wore, and that's the day she died. And then so it depends on the spirit because everyone is communicates differently. They're just like in this human life. And some people more visual, some people more auditory. Some people's sense most of us sense things. We walk into a room or meet someone we sense, so that sense sense. First, there's a medium, I get the sense of them. They push into my mind the sense of what they want to say, and my guide to work with me and their guides will help them to prepare or go through, if you will, the correct way of sending a thought, of creating an emotion, state of bringing that to the medium's mind that I'm able to understand it. Another interesting fact is that the mind of the medium is very

21:22 very important, so as the makeup of the medium as a makeup for myself. My personality depends a lot, but it affects a lot. I'm a person as you can tell a good sense of humor. I like to joke. I'm very down to earth, I'm very real, but I love not thinking over seriously, just lighter. And so the best spirits I have communicate will be those who are relying to my personality traits. So I bring through great of sense of humors, like a good time, who are very serious, who are very kind. So that works in a lignment with and my personality traits and my aspects, my sole aspects, and it makes it reading very successful.

21:56 That doesn't mean I can't bring other spirits who I do, like we usually bring other people through, but the easier ones are ones that are aligned to my personality traits. I'm throwing a lot at yourself.

22:07 No, that's I completely get everything you're saying. So is there an energy issue with you? So, like, do you get a wave of because channelers have that, channels get like this wave of energy. A lot of times I've heard that they've had to kind of on the other side and here prep their nervous system to handle this flow.

22:29 How does it worked with you and mediums?

22:31 Yes, very very good. So sitting in what I called development and sitting in the stillness of your being, which is really really important developing mediums. And I have a school online it's and it's been dedicated to that, and it's really about preparation, as you say, So preparing the space. To me, working with the spirit world is here.

22:50 Go back to the religion.

22:50 Now. To me, it's very sacred. So it's like going to mass. It's like you're setting up the sacred space, and to me it's you're a representative as a medium. I'm a representative of the spirit world. And to me it's an interesting one. I work for them. I don't work for the living. I really work for them. They're my boss, and that my job is to bring through information that will help the spirit person come through and to move on. So this is an interesting one. Just because someone passes away doesn't mean they go right to heaven.

23:16 They go here. They go there many times because they pass over into the mental world. Right, it's a mental work. What we all have once we pass over is a life review, and we're outside of time. So you're not with the clock. You don't line your time anymore. So what happens is you tend to see all those moments in the lifetime that you lived, that you had impressed others, or what you said to someone. So the example I like to use is, let's say you're in a really bad mood one day and you went to the gasoline station and you yelled at the person the clerk behind the cash register, and that person yelled as a storekeeper a partner in the store, and the person of the store went help and yelled their family and blah blah

23:55 blah mos on on rippling effect when you have the past, like when you have that life review, you're going to become that person behind the cash register, and you're going to feel everything they felt when you yelled at them ten times, twenty times, thirty times stronger than originally sent. And you'll become aware of how your thought, your word affect that person and that person and that person, and you'll see the rippling effect of your one thought in your one word. That's kind of scary, right, especially living a life where you hurt people, You imagine that's your own hell. So you create your own heaven, your own hell, based on your thoughts, words, and deeds. So my job is really as a medium is to bring through let's

24:28 say that spirit who has unfinished business, who's ever to come back and say I'm sorry, might to his daughter, I'm sorry, I didn't love you. I didn't know how to love, so.

24:35 How could I loved you?

24:36 I'm so sorry, So it's unfinished business. Basically, it's my job is to bring through that, so to provide proof of life after death.

24:43 So but it isn't okay, I agree with that, But doesn't that get caught up in karma, meaning like in another life they deal with that or can they deal with or can they.

24:53 Deal with it like this one hundred percent? So what's going on is they kept to cut again. It's all learning, it's learning, learning, learnlearning that what you give out you get back, and that's karmac. So every action is a reaction, right, So every act that someone does has a reaction, and that's a natural law. So there's a natural law involved.

25:11 So yes, but if they can, if they can willingly have the awareness to say I'm sorry to say this, that will help. That certainly helps, because they're in that state of apathy, they're in a state of them that they're they're in a healing state. They didn't know any better. They're awakened, if you.

25:27 Will on the other side, on the other side.

25:29 Yeah, that's correct, that's correct. And many who are awake over there, who wake up and realize what they've done, they feel bad about it. There's a little bit of you know, I'm gonna say, I don't go back to our Catholic purgatory thing. But there's that waiting station because they got to take care of themselves. They got to they've got to honor what they did and what they didn't do. And one of the most interesting things that the spirit people have said to me they've come through is and I wrote a book called Unfinished Business because they got tired of human spirits say this, and they would say, Wow, if only I knew then what I know now, I would have made choices. I wouldn't have behaved that way. I would behave more loving, more compassionate,

26:04 more kindness. I would have her gay easier. I wish I had known that in it. So I wrote that book just for that, because if the world knew that, you know, just imagine if everybody knew that when they left the physical body, that have a life review and have to feel everything ten times, twenty times, thirty times stronger how I treated people. Wow, wouldn't the world be different because it'd be a sense of responsibility. Yeah, And I think that's a secret.

26:28 I think that really is a secret.

26:30 In the teaching people, you have to be responsible with thoughts, your words, and your deeds because they don't go unnotice this energy you're putting out there.

26:37 Well, let me ask you this. Do you you believe in the Soul Blueprint or soul I Plan Okay. So with that concept, from my understanding of my research and people I've spoken to on the show, you choose your life and you choose the actions you're going to do in that life. So a lot of times you're in your soul family, which is your group, right, So let's say you and I are in our soul family, and in this time we're sitting we're sitting having coffee on the other side, and we're both talking. We're like, look, I'm going to go back down. You want to come with me? Yeah? Sure, And like, you know, when in this life, I really need to know what it feels like to have someone who doesn't love me and because

27:17 and then I'll go you know what, I'll go down, I'll take the bullet, and I'll be your dad, and I won't show you any love. So on a soul level, we have this kind of pre built plan. So then when they come back and they're saying, oh, I wish I would have known, it doesn't connect. Can you kind of explain it? We're going we're really going into weeds here.

27:36 So I'm just curious what your thoughts on this.

27:37 So well, also, suicide some people, well not necessarily because the soul group might have agreed upon that that in that soul group, one of them I had to learn with the experience of suicide it was and how the rest of the people around them would handle that.

27:50 That happens quite a lot.

27:51 So a lot of the experiences we have here, whether it's physical problems, mental problems, whatever, it is, interaction and the biggest of course, teachers are our family. Hello, they're number one teachers because they represent you. You're looking at yourself. So there is that sense that we all have destiny points, call destiny points there were to do certain things. But then comes a part of free will, right, so it's destined that we have this situation happen.

28:15 Let's say we meet for coffee.

28:17 On the earth and we can do many things that we can be friends forever. It can just be equipped meeting with a coffee, or we can decide to live together, whatever it might be. But there's free will involved there. So again, the more someone knows their soul self, the more they know themselves that inner self, the easier it is to make the right choice that's right for them at the moment. That makes sense.

28:38 It makes yeah, So the closer you are to your true self because then you will be connected to that true admission.

28:45 And it makes sense because it doesn't make rational sense.

28:48 At all, right, you becoming a medium, You know this makes no sense when you make no sense.

28:56 I mean I really jumped in because, like I have no way of knowing how to get paid, had to pay the rant, to have paid my insurance, okay, anything, But I did it with faith because I knew that they said to me, will take care of you. And I never knew how it was gonna come about, but it's come about, and they've taken care of me. For forty five years. I've been taken care of. And I think we're all taking care of when we do the right thing and we take responsible for who we are, and we see God in everyone, which is that brilliant light.

29:19 We all have that same God, and if we just treated each other we see God, we'd be better off. I think that every day we're given opportunities. Every day in our path, you have either a teacher or a student that walks in your path and to recognize that what are you gonna learn or what are you gonna teach?

29:34 And that's what it is, you know, I really do believe that and what you give out you get back. It's that karma whatever you want to call that, that energy, that natural law.

29:43 And James, I mean, I agree with you one hundred percent because when I started the show, I was like, this is insane. Why am I starting a spiritual show. I'm not a guru, I have no street credibility in this space. But I was guided to do this, and I jumped in with faith that it would all work out and it wouldn't destroy what I had already built because I was afraid because as you know, when you when you come out and go public with this kind of stuff and start talking, it's not the norm. Yet it's more accepted and it's growing daily, but this is still you know people, You and I are having a fairly intelligent, grounded conversation about this, which is really helpful for what we're trying to do in the world in

30:22 raising the consciousness. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show.

30:34 But I also have I think that, as you said that, I don't mind me getting a hit for you, but I have to I think that when you say that that the part of your soul self on the other side knew this and I had to do this, and the physical is now is catching up on it, and I think that it's meant to be obviously, and the conscious like, you're here to change the consciousness. You're to open the minds of people up and more and more people and whether we want to talk about you know, the world the way it is right now, the darkness, the fear, whatever it is out there and people don't feel connected. It's worked like this, that being piled together because there's a resonance the sense of truth. It opens up,

31:08 that stirs their souls that this is truth, and it gives them a platform. It gives them a platform to go to and is that well, I understand this. This is more This makes more sense to me than other things.

31:18 Do you know? This is the truth?

31:20 I don't know about Instagram and Facebook, but this is the truth right here, you know. And that's I think a great thing to give people that opportunity to have that sense of up to that faith and have When I started my school, the JP School Mystical Arts, four years ago, it was a school that I want to leave a legacy for my work. And something happened out of that which I'd never expected, And what happened was they became a sense of community, a lot of community, and people thank me over and over again for having a space that people can go to are like minded people, because there aren't many. So what you're doing, what I'm doing, many others doing, are presenting that space for those who think the same way, who can think out of the box,

32:00 who believe in faith whatever that means. You know, you can't limit God. I think religion, going back to that religious like, I feel in many ways religion limits God and God is limit less. You know, he can't put a name on God's limitless. And I think the more pot that knew themselves and know God better.

32:16 So this, this is always something that's fascinated to me about mediums and psychics in general. Is we all saw the movie Ghost, you know, back with Whoopy Goldberg.

32:25 I just standing ovation. I was working a paramount at the time, and it's standing ovation is screening of a paramount, And people were looking at me like they got it right.

32:33 So, I mean, it was so perfect. And I've had I've had Bruce the writer on the show, and he explained to me he wrote.

32:40 Researched, he did a great job.

32:41 You know, he had a psychedelic experience talk that God came back, wrote Jacob's Ladder. I mean, and you watch those movies and you're just like, oh, okay, everything all makes sense. So when he wrote Ghost, which nobody wanted, but eventually God made Whoopy Goldberg's character that she sees dead people constantly.

33:02 I always wonder do you have an on and off, open and closed sign? Because if now you're like eating, you know, you're in the bathroom, you look over, oh Jesus not now like how does that work? Do you have like barriers or just like hey guys, no or yes, I'm open for pray.

33:18 It's a great question, and it's an important question you're asking because I am the I scream about this from the Hit Mountaintops because and God bless mister Reuben for doing that move because it really has opened people up, so medium should in general. To me, I developed in the old fashioned way, and I developed a seven years sitting in the quiet, sitting in the stillness, and I wouldn't do one reading because it had to work on my energetic self, my soul self to really develop that that progression of development in order to be able to give a message to someone because it's very much like to me, like medical work, a doctor or a lawyer.

33:52 You know, people's lives that you're responsible for and that can be taken easily. That's not a no joke. You've got to be really a lot of integrity. And to me, I've been very worked, very very hard throughout my well, not hard word hard, but my integrity is really strong in that I would not present something if it wasn't the right way it was and if I didn't know what somebody say, I don't know it, you know, just because I don't know everything. So to me, I tried to present the mediumship with my TV show, with the Beyond show I had, and John Edward did a good job at his show crossing Over, and it was presented a certain way, which I like. But then what happens is younger people that came into Mediumship want to be stars.

34:33 They want to be fast and fewrus.

34:34 They want to get it in and be in the TV and be a star.

34:36 It's like, it doesn't work that way.

34:38 You don't.

34:38 You don't go in the medium to be a star.

34:40 It doesn't happen that way. And think of all those people's lives that you're hurting by doing it the wrong way. And when I say the wrong way, like, for instance, there was a lady Miniatresa Caputo at the Long Island Medium you remember that show longl Medium, And she was a lady who nice lady. I met her once, very gifted lady. But the producers who produced that show did not know how to produce it correctly. They do not know about mediumship. I was with the same thing with the show Ghostfist Bros. Evolved and I had a lot of tiople with the producers who didn't know at all how to produce this sort of thing and the way there's no sense of responsibility of what you're putting in the air waves. So they have Treescapuda out there in

35:15 a bake shop, in a butcher shop, in a car and she says, dead people, oh my god, this person's oh my god. It doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way because that person would end up in the nuthouse.

35:26 Because that's why I ask, Yeah.

35:27 And they're teaching that, They're throwing that to the public thinking this is the way it is. No, it doesn't work that way as a medium. As I said, before you have. It's a sacred it's a sacred space. You have to prepare yourself and when you're ready to work is that's if you will an on off switch. As you said, you're able to open yourself up and you say what what you get. It's not like pop, here goes this one, pop goes a weasel, here's this way.

35:49 Doesn't work that way. The media may be aware of those people around, but certainly it's it's like a ceiling fan. You can't have that ceiling fan on all the time because you'll burn out the motor. Same thing with mediumship. You gotta be very very careful. It's a delicate art because you work with your dreamal system and the glandulist system and that nervous system. Very yeah, it'll tax it very very easily. You'll be taxed out. And I've seen many medium pass away with cancers and bad diseases and endocrint problems because they're not they're not integrated the right way.

36:21 They're not measured. The work is not measured. It needs to be measured. It needs to be a process. There's another guy on TV, the young kid that's on right now. I totally agread and again again we're throwing this stuff out there. Now. He might have abillity, certainly has some cindability. It's not worked out because he goes for a psychic point of view and a median point of view, and he doesn't know what he's doing. He doesn't know what's psychic or what's medium. He doesn't know the difference between the two. And they throw that out to the public.

36:46 Doesn't know any better, and it's like, that's that's going to harm people, and it's gonna harm him because he's a young boy. He's twenty four. He's had no life experience in order for the spirit world to draw from in order to give a message out. And it's showing public that this is the way it is. That's not that's not the way it works.

37:01 And that's me is a really tough one, you know. Yeah, And in that show too, you could see where he wears out. You could actually, I've seen something of this episode. You start seeings like I can't I need this. He's having problems with it because he hasn't properly been trained.

37:15 And if you had a run, it's called running your energy. He doesn't know how to run his energy. Properly, because it took about the chakra points, which about opening up. We're all electual beings and if you don't charge it the right way, you're going to be depleted quickly. And I'm telling you as it is. And you have all the pressure from television and producers and all that kind of stuff.

37:32 Who finished in the work at all?

37:33 Listen. I did a show called The Beyond. Show was for a whole year and it was like a kind of a talk show. I go on, I do it readings for the audience and the private reading on the stage. I remember the people that produced that with me. That's when they carry seig and her name was and I gave her a reading before the before we went to the pilot, just so she would know what the process was.

37:50 And I brought through a girl. I said, this little baby girl at dodgead twenty of yours at die. She goes, yes, that's right. And it was very a good reading because I wanted to give her the awareness of the education of it. And then during the show, I'm doing a message for a lady on stage and she had lost her someone very important, and the producer was so fearful of is he going to get a hit. He's got to get a hit. So instead of having just the bride die, we have the whole, the grooms, the whole, the whole wedding party dies, and it'd be like crazy because the way they think. So I'm working with this late lady on stage. At the corner of my eye, I see an associate producer in the wings and she's

38:25 holding up a sign and I said, make her cry, And I said, stop tape right now. Not only is not her ful to the audience members and the lady getting the message, but that is completely wrong space. So I literally went up to the booth and I yelled at the at the producer, and you cannot do that. Don't ever insult us like that. Then never install the spirit world like that. And then another thing that happened was which I'll never forget this. I did many shows a day, I did fifteen shows whatever it was. We double booked stuff and I worked by rear end Off, and I remember there was a series of murders and I don't know what's going to happen. I separate myself in a different building, which I shouldn't have, but I did,

39:00 And there was all these murder stories and it was depleting and probably the six murders. I said, I will not do this again this week. I doesn't murders, murders a heavy duty, Oh not the energy energy energy heavy So I said, I won't do that, and she was Oka, it's your last one. It's your last one, and said, well, I won't do this tomorrow, No way. So because I had to protect the vessel, I had to protect it.

39:21 So the next morning I come in eight thirty and there's a script there says a murder of Joshua, and I'm like, I throw it back out to the PREDI I'm not doing this, and you just want I said no, and I literally, Alex, I have to go to this point of the young and I wants to do this. I had to literally lock my door and knock them out of my dressing room until they change the.

39:41 Store, like like like a temperamental actor.

39:45 Yes, and I'm not that way, but that's the level I have to go to for them to understand that's not appropriate. And this had the studio came, my agents came, managers came, was like, you have to understand the sensitivity, of the nature of the sensitivity of this work. And if you don't, that's not my problem, that's your problem.

40:01 I won't harm myself or other people for this.

40:06 We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show. You know what is so interesting too, because I come from that world very very much. So I've been for thirty years. So you, oh, I understand at such a deep level you have no idea, James, because you're absolutely right in many ways. And this happens with young actors, this happens with stars who just blow up all of a sudden. It almost is like, and please forgive me for using this word. Let's bring out the freak, and let's try to use and milk this as much as we can while it's the good is going.

40:43 That's Hollywood. That's Hollywood since the day's of Chaplain. It's always been that way. And sometimes you get, you know, a good team that makes it go work. But many times you get to like the more elaborate kind of reality show kind of like, let's make them that kind of aspect of things. And I hope that this show I really try to bring more of a human face to this kind of work. And also channels which channels on a whole other level because they get, especially trans channels turn into other people and the voices change, and all the talk about like, ooh, let's let's see what the quote unquote, I geint what the freak does. Let's put the camera on them, and let's make money. How can we make money with this? It's not that you

41:26 have to respect what we're all doing in this space, and I think the process. I do believe, and I think, and i'd love to hear your thoughts from where you started in the eighties to where we are now. I believe things have changed a bit in regards to the space, the respect of this art and what we're doing. Would you agree, Yeah, yes, and you said it correctly.

41:48 It's an art. It really is an art, and it has we looked at that way. It's not an entertainment. It's an art. Now, if you have personality like me and personality that they can do that and bring out the arpitals will be the fun of it. That that's great. But it's an art and it's got to respected, and it's a sensitive art, you know.

42:03 I did.

42:04 There was a movie of my life with Ted Danson played me and based on my first was Talking to Heaven. Yeah, I don't know if you knew that, and I wouldn't know that when again it was a movie, I have a lot of the background. Yeah, I'll tell you that. It's a funny story and it shows you how the spiral is also intervenes and how every day they interviewed our path. Well, the book did so well that CBS bought the book to do a movie. It was movie the week Time. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So NBC had it.

42:29 They dropped it down and development and CBS bought it. And I met with a long story, but I heard what I heard was and is the way it worked out. I got a call from that man who was writing the book, the movie Talking to Heaven. It was such a great when I went to a miniseries, So they went to miniseries, Nina Testa, I wanted to do a mini series and less moonfes. Okay, So from what I understand, Mary Steam Virgin was on a plane and she said to me, I never talked to people on a plane.

42:58 So there was this man sitting writing a script and she's sitting next Tom and she heard her father say, you have to talk to him. You have to talk to him.

43:05 So she asked the guy.

43:06 She goes, what are you writing? He goes, oh, I'm funny you're sitting here. I'm just thinking of you for a part. And it's Talking to Heaven, based on James Van Progg's book. And she goes, oh, that's my favorite book I've given to all my friends blah blah blah blah. And he goes, oh, yeah, I'm writing this. This isni series here and she goes, can you get me in touch with the author, and so he goes, ye, I'll probably be able to. So I met with Mary and he did a reading, which I rarely do, but I felt I had to do this. It was important. I don't know why I felt it what I did. So I said, yes me, I'll be love to do a reading with you. And I went to her house in Brentwood and we had her and Ted and friends of

43:38 theirs and we'rell sitting around and I'm like, okay, so I do this thing was really good. Night. Spirit was right there and Ted's father came through and Ted is sitting on a little like ottoman and his father said, Ted, I'm here. I'm having my whiskey and my herringbone jacket and he said, and he said, you know I'm in heaven if I'm having my whiskey and my haring bone jacket.

43:58 And Ted Danson looks at me and he's like crying and he falls down on the floor. I'm like, oh no, what.

44:03 Did I do? Did dance? Oh? God? Did I break tad dancing?

44:06 Gee?

44:07 Did I break tend dancing? Oh jeez.

44:09 So it was so funny because afterwards we're hanging out and it was just a great night. He goes and he didn't believe in any of it until then, and he said, that was just so weird. Every night my father, every time my father come home from work every day he put on his harrybone jacket and had a whiskey in front of the fireplace. And that's how he died.

44:24 James I said, Wow, that's incredible. Ted. The next day, I get a phone call from the production company and they said, listen, we don't know we're going to do the movie. I said, why, well, no one wants to play a medium. Gary Snise turned it down, and someone else turned it down, and Less Moonvez CBS said there's only one more person he could try because he has a contract with this guy who does Becker Ted Danson, I said, Ted dancing. I was at his house last night. Wait, wait a minute, Well can you ask him? I said no, I can't ask him. I can't cross that line. That's not appropriate. I cannot do that. So it was that weird.

44:56 I was so weird. So then what happened was his manager called me. Ted's manager it called me and said, can you meet with me regarding the sake CBS Collin said sure, So we met and Ted agreed to do it because based upon that reading, his father came through and the miniseriies happened with Queen Latifa was in it, Diane Ladd, these people. Uh, Jack Palance played my father and it was just so weird. And it was the number one mini series of CBS History except for Jesus.

45:22 And because of that mini series and you can still download now and Amazon whatever, it then opened up to they want to do more with me. So we did another movie with a lady by the name of who's just starting out and Eva Longoria. You've heard of her.

45:36 She was in on the show.

45:38 Okay, so she wasn't going to be in New Orleans. We're doing this this mini series. She said, came up to me during the breaks, mister Van Prau, can I ask your question? I said, sure.

45:46 She becaes.

45:47 I just finished a pilot and I was wondering if it's going to do anything. And I said, well, what's the name of question. It's called House. It's going to change your life. It's just really I said, oh, it's going to change your life. You'll see. Well years later we know the history of that. Then the miniseriies and the movie did so well with Anne Haitian even Mongory, and that was before Eve was Eva. It was Anne hash to the Star and it went so well that they want to do a series. And now they wanted to do a series, so they asked me to develop a series, and I developed a Ghost Whisper with Jennifer Love You It and it.

46:13 Did really, really well.

46:15 And then well and the Universal Cafeteria right in office at Universal, and also I see Eva and coming over and her eyes met at the same time and went went ah. And I went over and I said, did it change your life? And she goes, oh my god, So yeah, wow. One of those stories that you know had the interweaving of all those things that the spirit world, you know, they were in our lives and how they worked really hard behind the scenes to make things happen.

46:43 Well, you know what's funny too, because of something that I've said on the show so much, is when you when you learn how to let go of truck of this false idea that you could control everything. Right, when you let go, things start to happen. It's kind of like doors start to open that we're closed before. And that's such a people don't understand when they hear let go, I'm like, I can't let oh, I have you have to still like I didn't, They say stop, just sit down and wait for the door to knock. Get up.

47:08 And you know, I always say cut the wood, carry the water, but don't connect where that would cross.

47:13 We need the wood.

47:14 Yeah, there's that too, but I always say that don't don't expect where this is all going to go. Just do the work, and if you're going on the right path, doors will start to open.

47:24 And yeah, the boats have a great saying that I'd love to use every day. It is you can't push the river. You you can't push that river. You got to let it flow. And it's very very true. Because when you open that space up, you allow the energy to flow. It's all but letting the energy flow. So I do a lot of work with people and we do we're called scanning, and we scan the body energy the body, and we'll scan the body. There'll be certain let's say, the emotional body. There's something I call it staining.

47:49 And you will say, oh, you have staining there. Yes, I went through a divorce. Well it's still there and it's blocking the rest of the energy flow. And we have that every day. And I think it's really important that through meditation through self that you open up those channels every day because a lot of us, Alex, I don't know what your thoughts about this. We take on energy from other people. I think absolutely, especially being sensitives and and and beings here, the energetic beings, And I think and I want to hear I'd like to hear your point of view on this, because I just thought about this two weeks ago, that you know, we take on that throol's energy and many time do we keep the energy there in our space? We tend to look

48:23 at life or make choices based upon that person's energy because we're looking through rose colored glasses. Does that make sense to you that we're not it does?

48:31 It does make sense to me because I have I have a family which is all women in my family have no boys. I have no testoterone in the house at all. And as being the only male in the in the house, a lot of times there's some drama in the female side of the fat not with me, just on the you know, because they're young girls. And so a lot of times I will pick up on that energy and then I will notice myself change and I would be like, and I start getting a little angrier, or I get a little bit more perturbed, or my or my patience threshold drops dramatically. Uh. And the only way, only in the way that family does, right.

49:12 The greatest teachers, Yeah, the greatest teachers.

49:14 So I do notice that. But everybody, I think can agree that when you walk into a room, sometimes you will go, what happened just here? If there was a fight before and now it's quiet, you walk in and go, there's something in the air we all can feel. Or you meet somebody and you want to like take a shower afterwards, like you just met a car salesman, sorry car salesman, or you know, a sales sales guy or some sort and you're just like, oh I just oh god, I feel icky just being around this person. That's an energy thing. That's an energy thing. So absolutely, and a lot of times that energy will stick with you. I'm not sure if on the one off with the salespeople, but or a salesperson as anikey salesperson, but people that

49:52 are close to you. Absolutely, your your mother comes to visit, your father comes to visit, your brother comes to visit, and you have issue, or you have history or they say that word that just sets you off because of all that history that sticks with you and you can't make clear decisions when you're in that state. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor and now back to the show. Right. So I think it's really important.

50:25 And the way I look at it, like as many times as it's programmed, So because broadcasts three, that program is sending programs and we pick up those programs and we see them and then we can realize whose program it is and let it go, or we don't recognize it and we make it our own. See and part of it, we get stuck there because we make their problems our problems. Their energy is our energy, and it's their program, not our program, but we make it ours.

50:49 So we have to be able to translate and find out whose program is this? Welly am I feeling this way? What just happened that I'm sensing this? Am I holding onto this energy?

50:56 We're going to let it go.

50:57 And with mediumship, what I do with the work I do is times I will pick up the energy.

51:02 Of that force.

51:02 Is how they passed away the grief that they have from the spirit world. I should have would have could a. And it's so amazing because then when you and you're working with someone who's in the living state and they hear their loved one, their orc field opens up and expands, and there was something that's deep, dark down and dense opens up and expands and you see a beautiful light, You feel beautiful energy, and they feel so much better and the spirit feels so much better. So and it's just a matter of love. So love is that love is the best way for us to let go of other people's energy from our space and to really open up our own self as love of self, being aware of self. But love is the ingredient that brings all things.

51:39 Together and you, you and I both have studied Yogananda and studied the Yogis in India, and you hear these stories that there's nothing that really moves them in the sense of energy like that, because they are so connected to the inner place, that thing that we were talking about earlier. They're so connected to it that the one I think the Maharishi, they gave him some psychedelics he ate like a pot and did nothing. He just laughed after he ate it because he literally had so well controlled of his physical state and spiritual state that didn't bother them. So those energies don't They kind of just bounce off or they don't even connect with them because they are a deep understanding of who they are. They're

52:20 at a whole other level that you and I are not at this point.

52:22 But does that make sense to you completely? Completely? And it's the emotional charge that and it's like holding on to a charge waiting for the outcome. What's for the outcome? As there is no outcome, everything.

52:32 Should be neutralized.

52:33 I think a good point Alex and I've helped with a lot of people. If this has helped me as well, is you become the observer. You step back and you observe everything. It's almost like you're sitting in an audience watching a theater at the actual show, and you see the show play on stage, but you don't get involved in it, but you're aware of what's who the characters are, and what's going on. But even life, you can be objective, be observant, be an observer of life. Don't be so involved when you don't have to be. Only when you're when you're meant to. But just observing really helps a lot, and it really helps a lot. The same thing got maybe with psychedelics. I was giving them, nothing happened. I

53:06 was given some what was it, hyahuasca years ago and I hadn't experienced people are leaving the room when they're throwing up and having you know, diary and also like what's going on here? And I didn't feel any of that, And I just had an awareness like I don't awares of my guide or my higher self, and it was just it was quite of the validation of what I already knew. It was nice, but I don't need it.

53:28 I don't write it exactly. And if I cant quote Yogananda on this, he's like so so many times we get caught up in if we're in a movie theater, we get caught up with what's on the screen, which is what you're saying, be an observer, but we get caught up in the people dying and people yelling, in the wars and the anger, and you get caught up in the drama. He goes, but you need to stop, look back and turn around, and your goal should not be to look at the screen, put to find out where the light is coming from. Oh that's great, the projector to look back at the projector. I was like, huh, oh, that's so wonderful, So so wed.

54:03 It's the reminder if you don't mind. It reminds me of an experience I had with a good, good, good friend of mine who passed over. Her name was Olivia, and she was a British lady, how a little older than I was, and we used to go to spiritual healing circles for years, thirty forty years. She said mediums and do a whole bunch of different things. And we made a pack that whoever goes over first comes back right away and tells the other one what it's going to be like. So I'm driving. I'm in Cineitas, California, and I'm driving down the street and I see her face and my windshields, like, Olivia, are you dead? And she said, I'm not the dead one. You are. I'm like, what about back home? And her daughter sent me an

54:35 email said from Australia and she said, my mother passed away a twelve o two. And I said, oh, I know very well. And then I asked, Olivia says, show me, and she took my mind into a space, into a cinema like you're talking about. And Olivia said, it was very weird, James, she was very strange. I walked into the cinema and I'm walking in and all these people are sitting watching the screen, and she showed me them.

54:53 She They're all looking up at the screen, and I realized, oh. And I go into the screen and suddenly all these beautiful flower are there, and these colors and people that haven't seen many, many years. So I just smiled at ones came to greet me, to receive me the most beautiful things. I was so alive, and the fact of the people in the seats watching the screen and they were the dead ones, and she just talked about that, and she said it was beyond her belief, and she has been into this work for a long time, beyond her belief. And she said, it's the little things you do in life that matter the most. And she goes those people, those kind people. I gave a kind word, I opened the door, I smiled at someone. They're the

55:29 ones that came to greet me, to thank me and to welcome me. Very important. Yeah, it's beautiful.

55:35 It's so beautiful.

55:36 I mean, you never know what your one thought, your one word, that any interaction you have with people, it'll make a difference every day. I did my best whenever I'm interacting with the public, I'll put a smile on someone's face. And that's just because energetically I'd like to change that. So if I go to Starbucks and some I have a hard to say I love that.

55:53 Green apron you're wearing, No I can wear.

55:54 It like you, and I just let them stop and give them a moment of cheer and if it changes her whole day, you know, oh.

56:02 Exactly, A nice a nice little comment, a nice little saying. Just as the same way as like you say to something negative, you could easily say something positive exactly, and and fear loves.

56:13 The negativity is fear and love is positive.

56:16 So, James, I'd love to talk to you a little bit because we've kind of dabbled a little bit about what happens on the other side. We've had a lot of near death experiences on I have a general idea from having near death experience too, so I would love to hear about this near death experience. But from my understanding between the work, I do have a somewhat of an understanding. It changes, but the general there's a big mile Markers life review, you know, these kind of things.

56:44 I'd love to hear your near death experience, if you don't mind me to share. And then from your experience, what does truly happen on the other side.

56:50 Well, well, my experience was and I was doing mediature for quite a while when this happened. But I remember I was I was drinking in LA after a show and I went to my friend Victoria, and I think maybe that was I'm not sure, but we had one glass of one bottle of wine that was really it wasn't a lot, but somehow I started bleeding esophacause I was bleeding, I guess and I was throwing up and I came back. So I lived in Laguna Beach at the time, and it came from La down to Laguna and every exit in the freeway to go.

57:23 Off and throw up.

57:24 Okay, I feel good for like, oh good fifteen minutes. Then I had to go again. And so I got home in Laguna Beach and I called up my partner at the time and I said, I'm really sick and I know what's going on. He said, well, just wait, you know tonight, I'll come by. It's okay, And I again every half hour to go. So that night came over and he's everything was fine, and I said, oh, well, here it comes again. And I went to the bathroom and I and I blacked out my head at the counter and I fell on the floor and I pulled I popped her out of the body, and I'm looking down in my body. I'm like, okay, what's this about? Like, okay, I know it's on my time. I know I was immediately outside of linear time, but I knew that this

57:58 was not my time to go. I just that and I said, what's happening here? And all of a sudden, my cousin Patricia came in front of me, and but cousin Patricia completed suicide when she was forty eight, and she taught me metaphysics when I was a child, right, and I hadn't seen her since, And I said, pat pat is it over? She goes, it's gonna be over.

58:15 Don't worry it.

58:16 You mean over over or over?

58:18 Please let me know because I needed.

58:19 Some help here.

58:20 And all of a sudden she disappeared. And I immediately became aware of everybody having this, if you will, this sense of a chord coming out at the top of their heads, and the court it was, yes, this chord, and it went into this tapestry matrix tapestry wouldn't call it. And I know that the thoughts that we had created the color or the structure and into this ribbon, and this ribbon then bled into that tapestry, and I realized, Oh, my thoughts create in that tapestry, the beauty or the ugliness in that tapestry. I'm like, oh wow, And we all have that chord, that ribbon that leeds in there, and did life review We look and see what we did with that tapestry? Do make it more beautiful or do we not? And then I really had that insight.

58:59 And it then was into a garden and my father was there and he was wearing a brown suit and he came to he said, come here, you're getting your white rose. He goes, it's not your time. You got to go back, and I said okay, and I was like I fell right back into the body and my head hurt, and my partner, Brian at the time, was like, James, wake up, wake up. And the first words out of my mouth were dying as easy, living as hard. And now why did I have the experience? I only know that.

59:26 Years later, I was doing a seminar, some kind of seminar with a lot of people, and the lady who organized it said, well, your reading is a little bit different. They're a little bit more high end, like a high level of teachings, and she was right. So however that worked, I definitely was bringing through higher awareness, if you will, life lessons more than I had done before so and it just helped me realize even more that our thoughts are things, and how we treat each other it's very very important.

59:55 We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show. Yeah, I'd imagine so that that you were through that near death experience, it kind of elevated your vibration to a point where then you could start picking up these new signals of these higher teachings. Does that make sense correct?

1:00:17 And I'd have to say, Alex, based upon my sister just passed in April, who's also in mediumship. Yeah, and she was. She was very funny because she kept herself severing to the end and she goes, is this dead? Because I don't like this. I said, well, it's time for a magic carpet rode. You're gonna go soon. Anyway, she said was, and and other people have said it come through. They say the first thing to say is well, we're part of many, many worlds.

1:00:37 We're worlds within worlds.

1:00:38 There's all these different worlds that we're part of, and we choose what world are going to emphasize in the lifetime. We're part of all these different worlds. And she said to me, I was wading my garden I have here in Incidios and it's a pretty garden. And I said, Lenna, help me love the garden, and she goes, I wasn't able to see beauty in this lifetime. She shouldn't allow herself to see beauty. So it's interesting because we take on this soul, takes on all of these we have attributes to the soul, and we take on all these experiences and situations that really test those attributes, that bring those attributes out to the surface and really do test them to make us better, to help us to understand

1:01:11 each other, to live someone else's life. I mean, it's it's a great opportunity here in this three dimensional world called school called Earth. But the all different stations in life, and we have everything. The astral world is very much similar to the Earth, but even better. The gardens are of the colors more colorful, they say, the colors that you have the real sense of color is natural gemstones.

1:01:31 That that really is the right color if you will to measure color from your dimension. So and you can have anything you want. You on the other side, and I remembers on Larry Kingside saw when your father's playing golf, and Larry goes they have golf over there. So you can have whatever you want. If you want a golf, you can have golf. If you pass over and you have your you like a drink a cocktail. You can create that with your thoughts and you'll have a cocktail in your hands and you can drink it, and you'll have a memory of that, says create it. You won't have the same hit as you would in the physical because not a physical body, but you have the memory of that. So it's certain things a memory, like they

1:02:04 might be desired to have food again because you have the memory of that in the earth. But that'll die off because you won't need that anymore. What you adjust or acctl me to your new way of being, that old Steff fluss off, you don't need that anymore.

1:02:17 So you said, this is something I want to kind of dig into. You just said, there are many, many worlds, and this is starting to touch into quantum physics and into parallel lives and the multiverse and multiple worlds. And then it's kind of like you go outside to side and you go up and down and there's depth. So it's like all the way between parallel lives and multiverses and quantum jumping to different realities and things like that.

1:02:45 That again, quantum physics is talking about this concept of multi worlds and we choose which one to emphasize I've heard and this is difficult for our brains to kind of process, but all of our lives are happening at the same time, completely very difficult for us to understand us because we say past lives. We literally say past lives, so like, oh, I was an Aztec, or I was in Rome, or I was in Egypt or something like that.

1:03:13 So from my understanding, and please, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. We're living right now. This is where the needle is on the record at the moment from this perspective, right and we are dealing with things that happened quote unquote in the past, let's say our Roman life that we do. We're dealing with problems, you know, or the the when we were hung or we were burned at the stake. We're still dealing with that kind of trauma that we're working out in this life when we work it out.

1:03:41 By the way, just different names exactly different names of the wars. It's still the war, but just changed the names very much.

1:03:47 So now it's all social media. But you don't get hung on the square, you get hung on Twitter. So so if we fix or deal with or overcome that lesson in this life. Apparently it ripples to all your lives in the past, and it ripples all to your future lives. It starts to mess with your head, love, to hear your thoughts.

1:04:12 Their goodbye, you got it, goodbye, goodbye. That's right. So it's hard for us, like you said, to conceive. So I like to use analogies a lot. So let's say we're a diamond, and that each experience we have in this let's say in this lifetime, cuts another facet of the diamond. And let's have a different time of light, different degree of light. So if we think that we're a diamond of souls, a diamond and all the different facets from every experience of lifetimes. So I totally agree with you and that we want to experience more of that aspect or that aspect or understand about caring or compassion or forgiveness will take take on all these different types of situations. And I do believe, and I know.

1:04:47 And a friend of mine made a comment. Friend of mine is a visiting fourth of July, and he made a comment. It was a strange comment because he was not this way, but just dropped in his head and he said, if we can live in the moment, there's no other way things will work out. We just have to live in a moment. It's very, very true because in the moment you're aware of what's going right now.

1:05:03 The past has already happened, the future is yet to be. Now, if you can this moment forgive someone for what they did, that energy of forgiveness ripples all the way back, like you said, and changes things in the past and the future. You can change your past lives, you can change your future lis by what you're doing at this particular moment.

1:05:22 The more you love that you show and demonstrate will effect all those experiences in the past and all experiences in the future. Don't ask me how, but it does happen. It's energy, it's thought, it's you've reached a point where you realize that love is the answer, and forgiveness is a big one. You know, by forgiving others, you figure yourself, figure yourself forgive others. It's living in that moment. But I agree with you, what you do now effects past in the future.

1:05:45 So if this is the record needle, as I use in my analogy on the record, are there multiple record needles in different lifetimes or is this just the perspective of this one and their other ones, And let's not even get into parallel lives current parallel lives, or well least a trippy one.

1:06:01 So here's the trippy one. Another trippy one, and that the soul. As I said before, seventy percent of the souls outside the body. Thirty percent is over here. So if we go to really understand the soul, we want to go to seventy percent. Those different fields of levels, well, every one of those fields is a different way of life. Right.

1:06:16 So you're existing right now in a past life, in a future life right now, as you're simultaneously living this moment right now, you're living those other lifetimes at the same exact moment. And it seems that what you're doing in this physicalness, if you will and see your dimension, will affect those other lifetimes and vice versa too. By the way, there's there's aspects of the higher life or the different fields that that can bleed down. We heard the higher self. If we bring down that energy of the higher self into the awareness to the moment, it can affect that moment. And that goes back into meditation sitting in the silence being, the stillness of your being, you will be influenced by the higher self. So that's

1:06:53 how it works. But again, the secret is to know thyself, to thy own self be true, and that is really it. Never con pare yourself to other people. Be who you are, because you are who you are, because you meant to be who you are.

1:07:04 So one thing I've noticed about your work, James, and this is unlike other quote unquote psychic mediums that I've spoken.

1:07:11 Before, I don't like that psychic medium because it's no mediums. It's redundant because every medium needs to be psychic. Everything enough that psychic gets your money back because hello, every medium, so psychic is a perception, right, So psychic we perceive, and everybody is psychic one degree or another, and a medium receives. So not every psychic is a medium, but every medium is psychic. So that's very very okay, Okay, you know that difference there, And so psychic medium to me, is it just redundant. So spiritual medium to be really more accurate, I'd say really so, So spiritual medium.

1:07:43 One thing I've I've learned about better its spiritually it sounds better it's better branded, but you're but your work as a spiritual medium, you really seem to connect a lot of ancient ideas and teachings in the work that you do in a way that I don't see very often because a lot of times it's all about give me the lottery tickets or am I going to meet my or am I going to meet my dark stranger?

1:08:07 Or is this ey that I just did gonna blow me up? For these kind of ideas where your work, I know that must be extremely important for you. That's why it is.

1:08:17 It will say can you give me the numbers a lottery? And I was like, you think I'd be talking to you right now, but the numbers a lottery?

1:08:21 Certainly right now.

1:08:23 But it's again how you use it. I'm very much as I said from the very beginning in development of my work that I have to be open minded, and I believe that I'm a sage from way back or that those lifetime sage with some philosophy. I know that, and I always bring that forward to however I can. I wish I bring more forward, But also you know, I think it's really important and al to do a great job at this and it's it's representing information to the general public that you can and I do this with my books that when I write my books, and I don't mean to sound detrimental here or down, but it's you have to feed them. You have to. You have to spoon feed the public. So these complexities, these these these these insights into other dimensions and so are there.

1:09:11 But in wonder people to understand them, you got to give them some of the understand that they can relate to. So I think when you have to, and I hate to say the term, you have to kind of dumb it down, but you have to. Of course, you got dumb it down.

1:09:22 I understand what you think.

1:09:24 It's important that we bring these big concepts down to the fineness, which is love, love or fear is basically it. Then you can get into Once people can understand that, they go into a little bit more about how you treat people, the golden rule, a sense of who you are. Then we go a little bit further and we seeding.

1:09:40 We're seeding them. You know, I have a lot of people saying, mean, god it, this is amazing. Wish I could tell my husband the work that you did, that you brought that through and I got to tell him. I can wait to tell him. I said, listen, he might not get it. Don't don't be so caught up in him getting it. Just plant the seed. When he's ready, he will get it. It's just you can't control. Just plant the seeds. It's all we can do. That's what you're doing. And I'm doing. We're planning the seeds. And I don't know. I think it's just again, it's it's having a sense of awareness. It's not just like I said earlier, like the circus of the fun act or whatever that jumped to the hoop or whatever. It's not that.

1:10:14 It's who we are as spiritual where souls having a human experience, not the other way around, and as a soul being representing that those lives. I think, you know, the Bible says my father has a house with many mansions, and I do believe there are many, many levels and spectrums and spheres and worlds within worlds within worlds, and that one element that brings all those worlds together is love.

1:10:33 Love is the only energy that goes through all of those dimensions, all those time spans.

1:10:38 Is love. Love is the answer.

1:10:40 And that's exactly why it is is yeah, and we got no responsible for that.

1:10:46 We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor and now back to the show without question. And that's one of the reasons what I think that movies and television and media in general has such a responsibility in that aspect, because there are certain movies that I can say simulation theory to you and they'll be like what, I go, it's the Matrix and they'll go, oh, the concepts there. Yeah, there's kung Fu, and there's other aspects that they they kind of did. But the concept of philosophy, the idea of multiple or the multiverse that Marvel is now bringing out, and that concept, yeah, it's superheroes fighting in the multiverse. It's okay because.

1:11:32 The idea is great way of entertainment. Just like a ghost whisper, we opened up with fear, like people are afraid of these ghosts, but yet at the end it's all about love and healing. Same with the Marvel comics. Now they're bringing their edge and even the producers they're doing probably have no idea what they're doing. They're just being used by spiritual beings right to bring this teachings out and people will open people up on those levels.

1:11:52 It'll open them up. They might have to get through entertainment or a strange way. But I'm going to say something else with you talking to you about something else to which I think is really it's bothered me over the years, and I think you get it too, because it goes back to that responsibility that once you put out in the masses, whether it's through television or social media, whether it's the movies, you have responsibility because it's all energy.

1:12:14 So if you've got to put a movie about killing and fear that stays in the ethers, that energy is there, and it stays there. It doesn't just dissiplate you're putting out that. You use that creative force and making it negative or violate whatever that's going to feed people. I really do believe that. So you want to wa you have gun violence, you wonder buy people are negative because we're feeding it. We're feeding that. And I just get a sense and this is such a responsibility with what you put out to the public, whether it's through social media, whether it's through movie is a television, there's a responsibility about it. And people got to understand that.

1:12:45 Yeah, without I agree with you one hundred and ten percent. I the fear that gets pumped out by the media, because when you're in fear, you buy more and all that kind of stuff. I get that, and there's I think people are starting to wake up to it. The numbers of this show are starting to say that because there's we talk about millions so far and hopefully tens of millions, hundreds of millions, maybe billions one day of people who were to try to get this kind of information out there in this big way. It is changing, and I think people are starting to figure things out on a very instinctual soul level. They're just like, that doesn't make sense for me. I don't want that anymore.

1:13:24 But you could already start seeing the crumblings of the old system where the networks, the news or they're just not getting the numbers anymore that they used to. Where there's YouTubers who are getting one hundred million views on an episode. Can you imagine that in network television or even as streamers you start people are starting to figure things out, and I think it's where everything is going to go. I have to ask you question.

1:13:53 Along with that is the responsibility that they have with that they have a big responsibility. That's about how many people you can get on your page. It's the end thing why you're putting out there. Yeah, absolutely what you're putting out there. So let's talk a little bit, James, about the future of where we're all going. Now, this is one aspect of things, and I know you know, I've had other people come on the show and talk about what they see for humanity, where we are all going.

1:14:16 We are going through this big shift human shift. The first question I want to ask you is what part do you believe the work of mediums, of channels, of the spiritual ideas that we're talking about in this episod What effect is that going to have? And what is the future of those.

1:14:35 Things are channel is going to be the next and medium is going to be the next kind of like people will be respected and feel like doctors and lawyers are. Now, where do you see all of this going?

1:14:45 I would hope some of the quality is always a question, right, But that's.

1:14:49 Also with doctors and lawyers are That's also with doctors and lawyers.

1:14:52 Too, my friend, Yes, you have every single that's exactly right, you know, from my point of view, to me, the world. Most of the world are sleep Most people are asleep, they're a sleepwalking like. Only three percent are conscious. Only three percent of the world is awake three percent. That's a very small amount, three percent of the entire world.

1:15:12 I mean ninety seven percent of sleeping. They're sleepwalkers. So we have to awake them up. And shows like yours and shows like mine and schools like mine do that. They touch on a certain nerve, a certain sense, a certain sole part of that soul, they'll open them up. And I think that's going to happen. I think more and more when there are shows like yours and more spiritual work out there that's not threatening to people, that's really assuring people. And if mediumship has done the right way, you know, an inequality and a responsible way. I think people tend to see a connection, a connection that while this is real and that there's more to life than just this physical world. I think that's the number one thing.

1:15:50 The first thing is to realize there is no there's no death, and that's my work from day one, is to teach people they're too greate.

1:15:57 A solution. We have this physical world.

1:15:59 Number one separatetiveness, No one's separate we're together, but we want to be. It's the world teaches the separat of the solution. The second thing is death. There is no such thing as death. You can't die for the best to you. You just can't die or energy. You don't die. You just slough off the physical, which is painless and many respects. Leaning up to it. Might be hard with the disease, but there are medications for that to get you out. And I totally you know, the spirit people have inspired those scientists to come up to invent that those medications. They have been first in the spirit world and they're slowly brought down to the physical world. So I think it's a matter of number one, educating the

1:16:33 public that there's more to this than just this physical world and that people and I think mediumship is doing that. I think shows like yours are doing that that help people to realize there so much more. Number Two, I think that become connected with their power, with themselves, learn who they are and go back in and not pay attention to what people say about them on the social media.

1:16:51 And I get so caught up in that. But people are saying and doing you know, Kim Kardassian, who I did read from many years ago before she was King Brdascian. There's a responsibility she has and she had and I you know, I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna blame people, but you know, when you're out in the media that way, there's a responsibility and you got to be careful because it'll it'll back, it'll bite you, it'll bite you if you're not careful. And I just hope that people do things more of the conscious way how they're affecting other people.

1:17:18 I think it's a slow, slowly moving but in some ways it isn't because I started in the eighties and listen, when I was doing I was the only one out there doing this, and.

1:17:27 Now now it's very very popular.

1:17:29 I was using a funny thing. It's like, well, remember.

1:17:32 When herb tea started, O the herb tea?

1:17:34 You drink herb tea.

1:17:35 That's so weird herb tea.

1:17:36 And now we're like just now right, So that's what And that was relatively quickly. So that's only in thirty years, the herb tea thing. That's pretty fast when you think about it. So I do have hope that things will be changing, and I think much quicker Alex. I think once people get it there, oh and they catch up, they catch up. My feeling is they catch up and they start moving. So I would think by the next like twenty twenty five, hopefully there'll be another sense of that a so awareness and self knowledge. I think in some ways, wars negative things, and people have had enough of it, whether it's the COVID or the wars, or people are tired of that. They want something else, want something new. So in a way it forces them to

1:18:12 look within themselves and to question, see what's what's what else is there?

1:18:15 What else is there?

1:18:16 Conspience to make me feel better? So I think it's going to force us to have a sense of who we are, get back to our soul self and go back inside, not outside. I'm here to validate yourself, but inside ourselves. And I think that's going to happen.

1:18:28 Now do you do you believe that we are heading in a direction that as a as a species, as a human consciousness, are we heading in a positive or what is this? At better question? What does the spirit world have to say about where we're heading?

1:18:44 As it's it's funny because they don't judge, it's there's no judgment, So we can't say positive or negative. It's just it is what it is, because that's right, that soul, that is.

1:18:53 Just an experience.

1:18:54 There's really just experiences as experiences of loving oneself, of loving another, and that's really what it's about, loving oneself and loving other and not judgment. Judgment again is fear based. Like I said earlier, it's very interesting because you know, we have the hoth the trans thing now, and you have one thing I'm not so comfortable still with is a pronoun thing. Because I'm an author of the best selling author, I had a lot of trouble with the grammar thing, so I get that. So I don't want to judge that. But I want to say everybody is God, no matter who they are, and the diversification is what makes God. God has all these different sparkles, all of the lights in all different ways, so we can't judge

1:19:28 another's experience. I think if everybody just didn't hurt anyone else, it'll be fine. They be who you are, do what you want to do, as long as you don't hurt people. That's the key right there, and I think that more and more that's going to happen.

1:19:40 I think more and more.

1:19:42 I just think we're at a point now extremism with religion and politics and trying to control those people's rights because this country is based on a freedom of rights, and that's that's waning, and it's because but I don't think that's going to stay. I think people are going to be fed up with that. You know, we're O V.

1:19:58 Wade the whole thing. You know, it's so amazing to me that the you know, people fighting abortion, abortion, but yet it's okay to killing eight year old with the seming automatic gun. What about that? It doesn't work, It doesn't work.

1:20:10 You can't have it all, I mean one of the other you know, we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor and now back to the show.

1:20:23 So I think that's it's forcing people to change, to look at things a different way. I think it also back to self, learning about self and just really loving appreciating self and each other. That we're all connected, we're not separate.

1:20:37 We're one.

1:20:38 We are one. I'm the present nurturing energy. We're one.

1:20:42 Do you see the new generations being born now completely differently than the energations that your generation or my generation is. I mean they come here, your dad, Come on, Yeah, these dark kids are everywhere. Come on, star seeds are everywhere. I mean, I mean, it's amazingly.

1:20:58 Different, amazing you know what. So you just talk about there on the spectrum, Well, they're way beyond us. So advanced species coming in totally. And I thought about this morning actually a friend of mine, because she told me one of our people in our life kids, what are the spectrums like, Well, they're the ones that are teaching us there. It's such an advanced age. And I say, personally, I can't relate to technology. I'm not a technical.

1:21:20 Person, more creative.

1:21:21 So every password I put in every day I have under that freaking password. But it's like, it's these beings are coming in now that can handle all that technology, waves of these souls, waves of these technical souls that know all that, and that I know that there's this place and time and space and time and in physical vibration.

1:21:39 These beings, these what do you call them?

1:21:40 Evolved?

1:21:40 They don't like to judge, right, but these beings from other species, other star systems are coming in, no doubt about it, and changing things up and working with the technologies and being aware of that. No doubt about it. So we're evolving. If you will, I believe that's would be true. So we do know it as a free will.

1:21:57 That's very true. And I just love to hear yourinion on ascended masters. I mean in your work, have you have you come across.

1:22:05 Any I'm looking at one right now, Well, please elaborate like this. Hello.

1:22:16 Well it's interesting.

1:22:17 It's an interesting concept because people, many people, and I understand they say, what's my guide's name? It's like, what's your guide?

1:22:23 Bruce Bruce?

1:22:24 His name is Bruce Bruce, Bruce. It's putting such a human trait to something, that human trade to it. So it's it's putting that limitation on that. And and so you know, there are many levels and species and levels of being. So we talked about ascended masters or ange angelic beings or different levels of awareness. It's just evolvement.

1:22:43 And I think they're those those beings who I think there are many ascended masters. I think there are many species. I mean I remember, as first developing my abilities in sitting in development circle, I used to these beings becomes me and we would call them aliens because you call them aliens, and they're the most evolve beings. I'd have been around. And I remember I was in Sedona, Arizona once and I brought a group out there to see UFOs because that was the place of the UFOs. And we got out there, and I remember it was ten o'clock on a Saturday night, and the man who was helping me run this said, well, nothing's going and said we got to hopefully see these people are here. And I heard of words in my head say you need

1:23:20 to meditate, you need to raise your vibration. So we don't meditate to raise a vibration. And then I walked out to the middle of the field and all these lights were around. It was the TV tower. Lights looked like and these are UFOs. We call you fhoes. And I remember hearing very very clearly, not only hearing, but feeling that this energy had to really slowed themselves down, really lower themselves down. It's like this, like a seven forty seven in the eye of a needle. They didn't really slow themselves down. And I heard them say, we're from the Platees and we do not understand one thing.

1:23:48 Your human beings have the energy of love all around you, yet you don't use it. Why is that? Oh shit, and that makes sense. It's all around us. Why can't we use love? So that's that's what it is, sending masters. You know, I don't put names or labels on it, but beings who are evolved beings who just are those evolved beings that have been through ups and downs, all arounds and teachings and philosophy and beyond our awareness if you will. But I think they just I think our higher selves are connected with those And the more we can bring in the energy from a higher self, that awareness, then that's the right thing.

1:24:24 Where were light beings?

1:24:25 We have to be illumined, naughty, We have to be that illuminus, the illuminus. So we got to be the ones show people the light, the light. The darkness opens up to light, and we got to bring that light out.

1:24:36 Now, James, I could talk to you for another four or five hours, but I'm going to ask you a few questions to ask all of my guests.

1:24:43 What is your definition of living a fulfilled life? If I can look back at my life at the end of my life, when I look back at the life and I see the earth is a better place than it was when I first got here. That's the ulfilled life.

1:24:54 If you had a chance to go back in time and talk to little James, what advice would you give him?

1:24:59 I'd probably go back and say, believe in yourself even more. How do you define God, everything and everyone?

1:25:05 And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

1:25:07 Love?

1:25:09 Beautiful? And where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing for the world.

1:25:13 I have took places. I have a school online it's called the JVP School Mystical Arts dot com. And then I have a website with my last name van Prague dot com. V A N P r A A g h dot com. That's how I remember who it is my last name. And then of course my book Talking to Heaven, and I've written fourteen different books, but that's on Amazon. But yeah, that's the best way we can have our community together.

1:25:35 And do you have any parting messages or does the spirit world have any parting messages for the audience? You know, use love and.

1:25:41 Everything you do. See you know, I remember that every day on your path you have a teacher or a student, and be accordingly and treat others as you want to be treated. And that's all I can say James, it has been a pleasure speaking to you.

1:25:55 We have to have you back. You are a joy.

1:25:57 I'd love to come back. You're great to speak with you. Really, it's rare that it gets someone whose intelligence and aware of this level that we can, you know, understand these things. It's nice conversation, you know, so thank you appreciate it.

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