Psychic Scams Exposed: How to Protect Yourself with Isabeau Maxwell

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1:18 by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions of Next Level Soul, its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now let's dive into today's episode. I'd like to welcome back to the show, returning champion, Bo Maxwell. How you doing, Bo?

1:35 Hi, thank you for having me back. Thank you for having me back.

1:38 Yes, our last conversation was a big hit. People love our energy together. They love you specifically. And I loved your energy as well. So, of course, I wanted to have you back. And people might be asking why you're not here in person like you were last time. It's because you have moved abroad. And I am very jealous as well.

2:04 I love how you say that. I've moved abroad. Why, yes. Yes, I have.

2:10 You moved abroad, which is much more affordable, much better food, having a great time. Lack of AC and ice, but that's a Europe thing.

2:23 Yes, that's a Europe thing. Yes, I agree.

2:26 And for all the Europeans watching, I know you guys have AC and I know you have ice, but it's not like here in the States where everyone has AC and everyone has ice, generally speaking. But nothing but love for Europe. Nothing but love. I can't wait to go back. But so what have you been up to besides, you know, moving abroad?

2:46 Besides moving abroad? Yeah, we moved to Portugal. And that really consumed a lot of time. But there was, and there was a lot of reasons for us to go. You know, we thought through it, all that type of stuff. And it fit, all the pieces fit perfectly. But there was also another thing that I wanted to do. And now I didn't move here for this, but this has been something that I've been like chewing on for a long time. And it's called medium on the move. And I go, cause you know, that's my job is to teach people how to hone their intuition. Like that's, that's my passion. And so I go to different locations that are unusual or strange. And then I have the viewer, tap into the location with me, leaving time and space,

3:37 like coming energetically into the moment where I am and then trying different techniques. So I get to do medium on the move in Europe.

3:46 That's not a bad place to do it. I have to imagine, I have to imagine like here in the States, you know, we're, I don't even think we're teenagers in the scale of the world. We're like adolescents essentially running around in the scope of other countries in the world and how long they've been around. I just realized the other day, I'm not a quarter, but 20% of the time the US has been around, I've been alive. So that's a thing. And I walked into... bakeries in Italy that have been around longer than the US has been in a country. So it's fascinating. So I imagine the energy difference between a place like Portugal, who's been around for hundreds and hundreds of years, if not, I think it's at least over a thousand. I don't know how

4:38 long it's been a country, but that area has been with human beings and civilization and all that kind of stuff. for a long time. So I imagine that you're picking up on all sorts of different energies that you might have not been able to pick up here because we just haven't been around that long comparatively.

4:55 Yeah, exactly. The first thing that happened is we get here and we went to this shop that was just in this like majestic building, right? Like, okay. And we didn't pay attention to ourselves until we walked in And, you know, Tufala's English is, you know, seeing my speak English. He said, OK, we're new. And he goes, I know, I know. And he goes, you were going like this outside the building. I was like, yeah, that's true. It's a very different energy here. It's a very different energy here.

5:33 And interestingly enough, I've been open intuitively as a medium for 18 years or so and a little longer than that. And my mediumship, the way I relied on it back in the States was not reliable anymore that way. And so the first like three months, I felt like I had kind of almost started over a little bit. Like it was really, really interesting when you have a completely different culture and a completely different belief structure. And people pass and go back over to the other side in that culture. That transition is very different than the U.S.

6:17 transition and how people are experiencing death in that process. So somebody in the U.S. has like the hustle and the grind and things like this, right? So they're going to be more processing. They're going to be processing different things in the in-between and crossing over. Whereas here in Portugal, it's a lot different. They don't have the hustle and the grind. Um, so they're going to be processing things.

6:40 It just feels different. It just feels different. It's hard to explain.

6:45 So when, when a soul passes, let's say in Portugal, um, I understand that by like, like being in Italy, like you, you know, you walk around and you're like, these people are not in any hurry whatsoever. Everyone's just having a nice cappuccino and, and a pastry. And that doesn't seem to be that grind as it is here in the States, uh, where it's just like grind, grind, grind, grind, grind. what energetically what's happening to the soul, because I imagine that when you do your transition, you're transitioning as this identity, this avatar, if you will. So Bo, you would be leaving as Bo, I would be leaving as Alex, but all of our cultural experience of how we lived life, there's a transition period. So I guess from a European standpoint,

7:29 or at least let's say Portugal, a Portuguese standpoint, when they're transferring, they're, that transition is very, very different purely because of the culture and the energy that we came from. Does that make sense?

7:41 Yes, absolutely. In the US, there's a heavy dose of skepticism. I respect it. I used to be one myself. And the skepticism and different religious structures, there's a lot of fear involved in the death process. There's not as much fear involved in the death process here. People are rarely alone here. good luck finding a two bedroom house. You're not going to find it. Like they're all five bedrooms because there's always, you know, family. And I came over, we're like, we'd like a two bedroom house with yard.

8:16 They're like, so here it's there. They're so community oriented. There's two things. They're very community oriented. And so No one is ever really alone. And there's a lot less fear around the death process. And it's much more normal or okay or something along those lines. And the other thing is that the level of spirituality here is very strong.

8:49 In the sense of, uh, all things are possible. And so when you, and I'm starting to talk to some locals about this a little bit, but you can see somebody walking down the street fully solid and they might not be there and they know that. So when somebody passes, they know they can visit that way. It's very different reality instead of, I'm not sure if this is real.

9:17 I'm scared. I'm going to go to hell. Like those types of thought patterns. The difference here is this is a beautiful transition process. And here's the experiences I want to have. I want to stay a little longer or I want to go and I want to come back. It's very, very different. So you might be walking down the street and see six people and people will tell you here that there's really only four. Now they're not going to interact with you, but it's, There's a lot more heightened kind of spiritual experiences that are considered normal.

9:53 Interesting, interesting. But is is isn't uh and please correct me if i'm wrong is portuguese a portuguese portugal um a catholic or christian christian it's so they are but the the guilt aspect of things or the fear aspect of things doesn't happen to be there as much the culture doesn't allow they're like look okay we love the jesus we love we'll do, you know, we'll go to Sunday baths, all that kind of stuff, but we're not going to kind of fall into the rest of it.

10:23 Is that what that is? Yeah.

10:25 It's kind of this feeling of you do you, you're wonderful. You're great. I have no reason to judge you. And why would I, and I would look, be looked down on if I was judgmental of you. So, cause I remember moving here and asking a couple of people and like, I don't see too many people with like vivid color hair and like You know, I came here, it was very purple. And they're like, you know, nobody here is going to care. I'm like, okay. And that's what I'm finding.

10:55 They are some of the nicest people I have ever interacted with. And they will completely accept you for exactly who you are. Think about what that does to a person's psyche in their life. And then that person passes. It's far less of a struggle to transition.

11:11 Beautiful, beautifully said. So I wanted to kind of go down some interesting paths I haven't walked down before with a psychic medium. And I think you're the person I can talk to about this stuff. Okay. I'm ready. So there is, as we were talking about fear and things like that, there is a lot of fear here in the States in regards to, you know, especially psychic mediums, your devil's work, all that kind of stuff. And that's been forever. And by the way, the U.S. is not the only country that has cornered the market on witch trials and inquisitions, if I may.

11:43 Yeah.

11:46 But there is a lot of fear in regards to that. So one of the things I get asked about a lot is about evil spirits or evil and things. Have you ever encountered anything or something evil or not just something that's sad, like a sad ghost or a lost soul or something like that, but something that actually scared you in your work?

12:08 I have been in situations that have scared me. The end result of those situations has always been a person, a soul behind the situation and not necessarily something demonic or dark. And I teach globally. So I tell people, people have different language for different things. And the word evil can be applied very specifically to something that He's very scary, very dark, has bad intentions, but so does Joe down the block.

12:42 You know what I mean?

12:43 So like it's, there's good and there's bad. And if you have a spirit that's in the in-between who has full intent of making you terrified, and here's the kicker, you're terrified of something demonic, then that's how that spirit is going to show up. And I've had things close to this. I've had, um, I went to clear a woman's house and I was in the basement and it was a long day. Okay. I was like a mom of two young kids, long day of work. And all I wanted to do was get home. And I know it's stereotypical that it was in the basement, but it just happened to be. And I saw him in front of me and the homeowner was standing next to me and he shows up in spirit form is this just big, dark, demonic thing. And I remember saying something out loud, like,

13:38 I'm tired. I don't have time for this. Like, I know that you're just putting this on, be done. And he like, he pushed a refrigerator six inches on the cement floor and the poor homeowner, I have never seen somebody climb a set of stairs so fast. She was out of there. And I'm like, good show. Good job. Like, you can't stay here. You need to go home. And when it finally got to this more relaxed space, it was like some guy who's like five foot two. And it's like, okay, we are not limited in the in-between of how we can project something, how we can show up.

14:19 So if somebody is in the in-between and they want to mess around like that, they can show up as Dorothy. They can show up as a demon. They can show up as anything that they want. They're not limited to that human body.

14:34 Interesting so i love it like look man um it's been a long day i i really don't have the time nor neither the patience for this right now okay everyone you need to calm down what you can't stay man so i love i love that about you because it's just like it's not very dramatic it's not like the power of christ compels you like none of that good.

14:56 Movie by the way one of my favorite movies oh.

15:00 The exorcist is it compelling Is it?

15:03 Yeah.

15:03 I mean, it's very Hollywood, but that's what Hollywood, that's what it's there for in that sense. It's in the storytelling aspect of it. But you were just like, look, man, I love the show. It's I got I've got a lunch at one. Can we move this along?

15:19 Let's let's go.

15:22 So let me ask you this then. Have you accidentally invited something in or can a medium accidentally invite something in that they did not intend to when they're communicating? And what protections do they have if they do? We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor. And now back to the show.

15:47 Well, I do GCP, which is ground, clear, protect. And it was one of the first things that my guide taught me. So I opened up, I went from skeptic to my grandmother showing up in my living room. And then I went to try to figure that out. Months later, I met my first guide and I worked with him. He was a teaching guide. And one of the first things he taught me was ground, clear, protect, ground into earth, clear out anything that's not yours, put it up a bubble and like a filtration system. only what's allowed in for your highest good kind of thing. That works really, really well 98% of the time. And sometimes it doesn't work as well as you would like it to. And yeah, you can have situations where something comes in that isn't

16:25 welcome or you try to set up your boundaries and it just doesn't work. Do you wanna know a funny one? So we had to stay in a hotel for like two months and it had a bedroom and such. but we were waiting to get on the road. And so we had to stay there and hotels are busy. Think of all the people that come and go, right? And I would be woke up in the middle of the night all the time by a spirit saying like, can you help me? Or just waking me up with this, this or that. And I finally was so tired that I wrote a note that said, I think I wrote like this, like I was so tired. And I said, you know, it's been a couple of weeks, you're deceased.

17:07 I'm sleeping. I will help you. Please wait. Not before 9 a.m. And that very, and I put it on the inside of the hotel room door facing outside. And I put a whole bunch of good juju energy out there, like good energy, good energy to maybe help them in any way that they can. And then middle of the night again, or well, the next night I wake up and it's a woman going, Hey, in spirit form. And I'm like, did you read the sign? She pointed the clock and it was like 901. Okay, so anyway, the sign worked. And you can set your boundaries. But sometimes it's hard, especially if you've got like a lot on your human plate and things like that. Sometimes it can be hard to keep that space up. And sometimes something

17:53 can come in. Absolutely. But GCP, that's my protection.

17:57 So the thing that came in, though, was just a woman asking for help. It wasn't anything hurtful or negative or anything like that. It was just a soul that's like... look, you're the only medium in the area. Can I talk to you? That kind of thing, essentially.

18:12 Yeah, essentially. And I've had dark things come in. I've had situations where I've gone up against things that are very difficult. But even in that, I'm talking about something that is a human in spirit form that is a very, very difficult spirit. That's my nice way of saying, like really malicious and wanting to do bad things. We have to remember that people hurt people, hurt people. And for some people that can soothe somebody. So if somebody who's very hurtful, toxic, they go into the in-between and they decide not to cross over and instead stay and affect people. Well, I mean, they can do that. You know, there's, there's really no walls, but if we start to set up our boundaries, then we can be in a better place.

19:02 Let me ask you in regards to the negative energies, like the one you were talking about, what role does your spirit guides, guardian angels, relatives, your spirit team, what role do they play in that? Or do they let it play out unless you ask for specific help because they can't interfere? I'm just curious.

19:23 Yeah. When I describe how you work with guides and loved ones, We're like kids in a playground and there's a chain link fence around the playground and they're outside the chain link fence. So they see what's going on. We can communicate with them, but they can't come in and physically make a difference, but we can ask for help.

19:43 And every time I have asked for help, the energy that I needed was there.

19:49 So.

19:50 When it comes to that, that's like my best analogy for that they're watching over, but they can't physically interfere. they can suggest something to somebody else inside the playground. For example, we might hear them say, stop, don't drive forward yet. Or somebody else might stop and we end up running a red light and we're shocked that that person didn't go. Well, maybe they got a whisper. So they can you know, send the messages out. And that's what they do. That's in essence how they guide us.

20:23 It's like we're walking through a forest and they're the one saying little to the left, little to the right, little to the left. And guide communication is a wonderful thing like that. It's a wonderful thing.

20:36 All right. Is there a type of reading that you refuse to do or a kind of a work that a medium psychic would do that you just refuse to do because it's just not something you're interested in?

20:46 That's a good question.

20:50 I don't think there's like, yeah, like missing persons or, you know, that kind of stuff. I mean, that's difficult to do. So is there anything that you refuse to just I won't do it?

21:00 I'm uncomfortable with medical. I'm uncomfortable with medical. So I tend not to do those. And if something comes up medically, I will say, energetically, this is what I'm picking up, you should go and meet with your doctor. I think for me, I'm uncomfortable doing a reading for somebody that wants to know stuff about other people. I think that's my line. That's my line. I'll do a reading for you.

21:28 But if you want to know if your ex-husband's miserable, like that's not my gig. Like, and I've had that. I've had somebody, you know, that I've met with on the phone actually. And she's called and I said, well, the first thing coming through, your husband's a director. She's like, yes, he is. And I said, okay. Um, they're really encouraging the two of you to get together and start working on the marriage. And she's like, I don't care about that.

21:55 I had three nannies. Now I only have two. I need you to tell me where to get the third one. And I'm like, I'm not your girl. So like using a medium for those types of things. Um, those are the ones where I kind of draw the line, kind of draw the line and go, nah, not missing persons. I've done a couple. Um, and. You know, it's just really not my groove. But what you'll find is every medium kind of attracts the person that they're supposed to read for. So the ones that you don't like are typically rare.

22:31 Fair enough. Have you ever gotten a message in a session that you refused to tell the client?

22:37 I've had messages I didn't want to deliver.

22:41 But never one that you got and you're like, nope, I'm not saying that.

22:45 Um, never one that I've gotten where I've said, Nope, I'm not saying that because spirit doesn't give you what you can't like what you should, they wouldn't tell you. If that's the case. It's not so much the medium deciding what should be said and shouldn't be said if you hold yourself in a high standard for mediumship. and you only relay information that you feel confident is intuitively coming through and not your imagination, you're gonna be good to go. You're gonna be good to go. You're not gonna get anything that they can't handle. However, I have double checked before and said, do you really want me to say that? Is this the way that you want me to say it? How can I say it? And sometimes I will take an extra beat to say, are

23:29 you comfortable talking about this area? You know? And I will usually find that they already know. They already know. It's just a confirmation moment.

23:37 Got it. So, because I've heard of, because we get into the ethics of being a psychic medium, where, you know, I've said this a thousand times and I'll say it a thousand more times because people need to hear it. Just because people have the ability to be a psychic medium doesn't make them good people.

23:54 Yes.

23:56 That doesn't make them all of a sort of moral compass for everybody. That's not the case at all. So when, when people come in, I've heard stories of like, people are like, Oh, well your mom's dying in two months. Like you're like, what? Like, but that information got through. So is there, so there is information that can come through and is it something that they needed to hear?

24:22 Let's say, or is it something that the, the, the medium should have said, you know what? I'm not comfortable telling that person that cause it kind of, contradicts what you just said. I'm just curious if you've heard that kind of thing before, or am I off completely?

24:34 No, these things have come through every single time I've gotten like an estimated death date, like a couple months from now, a month from now, two months from now. The person knows they already know. I've never, yeah. I've never had a situation where someone went, what? Oh no. Like it's always, that's what I thought, you know, like that's what we all thought. And you know, like, They'll say, um, you're going to be visiting, you know, like new England again in three months. And they're like, they're like, well, they told me my dad had six months. Um, but I kind of thought maybe it would be shorter. So they already know it's just confirmation. Now I have had a woman, a woman tell me, Hey, my son is

25:23 like 23 or something like this. And he's completely unmotivated because when he was 17, a street psychic, like on the corner kind of thing, told him that he was going to die at the age of 24. So he didn't go to college and he didn't do anything else. Oh, that's. Yeah, I know. I know. And I'm like, where is this lady?

25:41 And she was like far away in another state. And I'm like, she's lucky. So can I read for your son? And I went and I read for him and spirit was great. Spirit will give you. ridiculous proof when you really need it when you really need it and he needed it so i recall there was something about how many friends he had that um how many motorcycles they all had or something like this and they did ride um and after that like little bit of proof came through then spirit said you're not dying at 24 like it's not happening so yeah people can do damage they can do damage with.

26:18 This yeah absolutely if you have someone who's very open to the ideas of you know, what a psychic is. It's kind of like a doctor, uh, just because they have the white coat on, you don't have to believe everything they say sometimes. And you might have to check your intuition and check what they're doing and all that kind of double check and get a second opinion and so on, as opposed to the generations older that if you had a white coat, whatever they said was gospel, essentially.

26:41 So same thing, same thing, same thing could happen with, um, with psychic mediums. One thing I'm curious about, uh, because you've done so many readings, uh, with loved ones coming in from the other side, is the energy different from someone who died peacefully versus someone who might have been murdered or have a traumatic death?

27:03 They're all different. They're all different. One of the things that I have found is a person's sense of security with themselves, confidence, calm, how much fear did they have in life, I, it really depends. I've seen somebody who was on a drug, probably acid of some sort in a car on the way to college, got in a car accident, didn't realize she was dead. So, uh, because she thought she was still on a bad trip. And then I've seen people who have died, um, instantly very quickly and were instantly like at peace. It's okay. And then I've seen people who have had time to prepare and they still struggled with the death process. So it's very, very it's very different for a lot of different people.

27:58 I don't see a lot of kids in the in-between. And I also don't see a lot of people victims of suicide in the in-between as well. I think it's a matter of. how much at peace you are with yourself, how much of a fear-based life you lived. And also, is there clarity or is there confusion in the in-between for you?

28:21 Now, speaking of the in-between, from your understanding, what actually happens in the first 10 seconds after someone dies? What's that process like?

28:30 That process, it's fascinating. The way that I explain it is we have three bodies. We've got the physical body, we've got the spiritual body, and then we have the programming body, which is our mind on linear time. It's Bo, who is in Portugal, and it's Tuesday. So when we pass, we let go of the physical body, but we don't let go of the programming body and the spiritual body.

28:54 Those two bodies go into the in-between, meaning you go into your transitionary state the exact same person you were here on earth. And through the transition, you go through a review process. So the first couple seconds is going to be kind of a, what the heck? This is strange. Like it's, it's a kind of strange feeling of like, I'm not in a body anymore. So that's, we hear that with a lot of people with near death experiences.

29:23 The next sensation is typically an automatic pull. to go toward, you know, people will say to go toward the light, or go toward just what feels good, or maybe somebody will be greeting them, et cetera, et cetera. Now going through this process is like riding a people mover. It's automatic. You don't have to do anything. You will go through the process and transition reviewing everything along the way. But sometimes people are going to dig their heels into that people mover and go, nope, I'm not going there. That's not going to happen. So that's where it helps to have people helping people cross over.

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30:14 And it's not like we like walk up to him and elbow and elbow say, come on, I'll walk you through the door. That's not it. Crossing over work is people saying, I see you. You're not alone. All right, let's think on a bigger picture here. Who are you? Is there somebody on the other side? What are you frightened of? What did you love to do? Who are you?

30:36 And once you get them to kind of let go of their heels stuck in the people mover, they start to move automatically. Now, the closer you get to the other side, the more comfortable you are, the more it just feels right to be going in that direction. And then time and space kind of fades away. And you cross over to the other side, leaving the programming body behind.

30:58 And then that programming body is this. Now we're going to get into the deep end, the weeds a little bit here. So the soul is now left time and space. So now Bo's over soul, let's say, or the soul. is over here. You don't identify as Bo anymore. Now you're on the other side and you're living, I guess, going to the soul bar and having a soul drink.

31:23 I don't know whatever's happening over there, but your energy, your light, your energy, you don't have a body. You don't have a purple hair, nothing like that on the other side. All right.

31:34 Total freedom.

31:36 Now when that, now let's say I'm a relative of yours from, you know, 50 years from now, and I want to talk to you, and maybe you have a deep connection to my grandkid or whatever it is, let's say, when I go to a medium and go, hey, I'd like to talk to Auntie Bo, who's been dead for 50 years, let's say, I'm using you as an example.

32:02 I heard she's pretty cool. I heard she's pretty cool, yeah.

32:05 She's pretty cool. She moved to like Portugal like a crazy person. Can you believe that?

32:08 Yeah.

32:08 Can you believe that? Like out of nowhere. She'd never been there before. So, That when I ask for Bo and the energy that comes to the medium is shows as you, how is that technology? How is that? Like if you're gone, I mean, I know all lives are happening at the same time. There is no past life. There's no future life. So there's an oversold that has multiple experiences happening all simultaneously because there's no time and space.

32:40 I'm so sorry your heads are all going to explode if you've never heard that concept before. But that is a concept. But I'm always fascinated about the costume, the character of Bo, the character of Alex. Doesn't go away, but you're not walking around as Alex or as Bo on the other side. But when I call, so like my grandparents right now, let's say I want to talk to my grandma. Okay, let's say I want to talk to my grandma. My grandma has passed for 20 some years, right?

33:09 she's off, I'm hoping, doing soul stuff. But when I ask you, I go, hey, is my grandma here? And you go, yeah, your grandma's here. She shows up as my grandma and that personality and gives you details of that life. How does that work?

33:24 Translation services, right? I move here and one of the first sentences I learn is to follow English. Do you speak English? So it's kind of parallel to that in the sense that As a medium, I would be talking to the higher self of your grandmother's experience. So that higher self had that experience. Now, when that higher self is talking to me, it's going to talk to me through all of her experiences. That's like a translation. This was her name. This is what she did. These are the times that she did this, this, and this, and this.

34:01 And going to kind of leave out all of the other languages you could say or other lives you could say. Because spirit knows that to communicate with you effectively, they have to speak to you through the channel that you know. So you're speaking to the aspect of the higher self that is your grandmother. Or Bo.

34:22 Or Bo. And the character of Bo is who the higher self is going to be speaking through.

34:30 Yeah. Another way to think of this. Yeah. So you understand it. Another way to think of this is that the higher self is an actor and the actor has played hundreds of roles. And so you and I, like, so I'm the medium, you're the person I'm reading for. We walk in and we sit down in and we got good seats. Don't worry. We got really good seats and we sit down and you say, I would like to see my grandmother and the actor plays that role.

35:00 And did play that role. And it was a real thing that you experienced with her. Do you know what I mean? All those experiences are real. It's still two souls together in this theatrical performance, but it's still two souls. And so the actor says, okay, here's one of my roles that I played and we'll come out and speak to you.

35:23 Right. Because even if, let's say my grandmother and I had other lives together and she was a Roman soldier and I was her son or something like that, or her, yeah, her, her son, she wouldn't present herself as the Roman soldier because I would have no reference to it.

35:38 Right. They're going to speak to you in a way that you would understand. This is also why mediums struggle sometimes when the information that comes through feels like it might be generic, but then when you deliver it to the person, it's not generic at all. They're like, yep, yep. That makes complete sense. Spirit knows what the sitter needs to hear. And the medium is like, do you remember the old telephones, like on the wall? Yeah, of course.

36:04 Had the old telephone cord, right? A medium is a telephone cord from this ancient analogy that I'm using. And a medium is not the translator or going to tell you what they think it is, et cetera, et cetera. Really, they're just translating. And if they just say what they see, feel, and hear, that's where the accuracy is the highest.

36:25 In your work, have you seen pets? or animals in review? Because when I've had readings, and I've had a few in my day, they always say that I have an animal of some sort that comes through. And when they talk about the animal, I'm like, yeah, I know exactly what that animal is. That animal has had a big part of my life. So how does that work with, do you know what the transition process is for pets or for animals in general, like an elephant or a tiger or something like that?

36:59 I know two things. The first is, is that it is possible for a soul. It's possible for my higher self to come down and exist as an animal for a lifetime. Absolutely. I would consider that an honor, actually. The other thing that I know is that there are beings that that is their main focus. There are higher selves that that is their main focus is to, um, live, most, if not all of their lives as animals. Animals are very different than humans, right? They've got a lot more figured out than we do, to be honest. And they're linked into Mother Earth a whole lot stronger. They don't dwell in the past and dwell in the future with some small exceptions. And they're very in the moment. So they're very heightened intuitively. And there are some beings or

37:50 higher selves that come down and that is the only thing they do. They're almost like working for you. Like they're coming down to do a service versus coming down to have an experience. So I've connected with animals that are in that realm where that's their job. This is their job to come down here and have these experiences for their people. And then I've also worked with, I've seen pets and animals that actually it was just one or two lifetimes that it was a person. Have you ever seen like a dog and you look in their eyes and you're like, you got like human eyes.

38:30 Oh, I see that with cats. I see that with dogs. And there's a difference. I wanted to ask you about this. There's a difference between a wild animal and an animal that spends a lot of time with humans, like pets or domesticated animals, or even... you know, lions in the zoo who are or with a preserver were raised by humans, and all that stuff. What is the difference? And do you have you seen a difference between a domesticated animal, let's say for as a pet or a wild animal?

39:00 I have seen that domesticated domesticated pets are not as intuitive as wild pets. Yeah. You know, they do they do You know, they get the blankets and the pillows and they hunker down with us just like we don't have to be as intuitive, right, as we had to be 10,000 years ago. So I have seen the difference in those. Animals that are wild, they may affect humans here and there, but there are many animals that are never seen and never experienced, you know, experienced by people.

39:34 And those bugs, animals, all of them, they're keeping this ecosystem going. So that's why they're more close to mother earth than anything else. And yeah, the domesticated ones, they're very intuitive. Absolutely. 100%. Some, I would even say a little bit more than others, right? I have two dogs. So I would say some a little bit more than others.

39:58 But the domesticated pets, you're their job. Like they're coming down here for you. And people say, well, no, I'm here for them. Yeah, that's their job is to also let you be there for them. It's a very meaningful thing. Pets can move fast. compassion mountains within a person and they can come in in just the right time. It's stunning.

40:25 I remember my heart dog, which is like the dog, right? Her name was Apple. She's a Cocker Spaniel. I had her years ago and my kids were like preteen and she passed because unfortunately that's what happens. And we were on the road and my son said, I would like to have a dog that the same way with a relationship with the dog, the way you did. And it was like, okay. Then him and I were sitting on this bed and we both watched the comforter kind of sink down a little bit. And we were like, wait a minute. And I just relaxed into it. And I saw Apple and I was like, yay. Like I was super excited to see her. That's all that happened. The next day we were at Panera for wifi. Cause that's what you do. And I was sitting there and all

41:16 of a sudden I saw her very faintly at my feet again. And I heard her say, look for the shelter. So I looked for a local shelter. There was one 15 minutes away. There was a dog at the local shelter named Apple. And I was like, you're kidding. So I showed the family and everybody was like, well, it looks like we're getting a dog today, which we did.

41:44 And they were inseparable. Animals have this magic way of finding you. All animals are connected. So previous animals who maybe who have passed are still linked in with the living ones that are here. It's really quite magical.

42:00 That's beautiful. That's a beautiful story. So another question I had is about spirits being able to interact with the digital world where photos, text, videos, even AI is a big thing. Now people saying, a lot of people are saying that there's obviously conscious AIs and that kind of stuff, but that spirits are talking through AI to communicate with them.

42:27 So I'll give you my take on this because I have two examples. One, My aunt died. Three days later, a mysterious video that I just happened to fall across that I forgot I shot when I was a teenager shows up and it's Thanksgiving dinner. Three days after she dies. The coincidence was, and it was her literally smiling and happy and my grandmother was there. My other grandmother was there. Everybody's, so I had a whole family there. Forgot they'd existed.

42:56 But then when I saw it, I'm like, oh yeah, I did remember shooting that. So that's one way of using video. And then I, this is just me, maybe it's just the storyteller, but I do like the idea that spirit can communicate through AI in a way that not specifically like I'm talking to Jesus or something like that, but that information kind of seeps its way and kind of like I'm having a bad day and then I turn on the radio and all of a sudden, I can see clearly now. And I'm like, really, really, really on the nose kind of stuff. So what's your experience with the other side using technology to communicate with us?

43:42 Absolutely. It's very common. It's very common. When my grandmother passed, my cousin moved into the house and music turned on all the time. I've heard so many stories. I've had, you know, experiences myself where, you know, Music will just turn on. Actually, when we were, okay, so it's kind of a funny story, but it's a good one. When we came here to decide if we should move here or not to Portugal, we decided to come for a week to visit. And Portugal, there's certain areas of Portugal that are known to be a little spicy. And we went down an alley, like spicy fun, spicy. And we went down an alleyway, we're sitting at a cafe and we look up and there's all these umbrellas hanging everywhere.

44:26 You know, in this alley, it was just beautiful. It was really, really, really cool. Well, the handles were phallic. And I'm just, you know, and it's a historical pottery thing. That's cool. That's cool. We chuckled. We sipped our coffee. We went back to the hotel room. And I was sitting there talking with somebody. through Zoom in my browser and my Spotify turned on and started playing It's Raining Men.

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45:15 I have not.

45:15 Laughed so hard. You could not have created that. Like I couldn't have written it for like a six, So she heard it.

45:27 My partner heard it. I heard it. We were all laughing. I'm like, okay. And now that's not a song on any list of mine whatsoever. So my next question is who's here. It was my grandmother. She was a little bit cheeky. So they absolutely can do that. And it happens quite frequently. I know a lot of ghost hunting teams use a lot of electronics, not all of them, you know, I mean, when I see somebody pull out an app, I'm kind of like, I'm not quite sure if that's going to go or not. But they'll use radio signals and electronics quite frequently. It's very, very popular.

46:02 When it comes to AI, this is what I'll say. All things are possible. And I would not shut the door on an AI experience having somebody come through and be able to speak with you through that. I wouldn't shut the door on it. What I would worry about is signing up for the next level of monthly membership.

46:24 So you can have more time because AI is like leading you down that road because some of the AI programs are programmed to be really nice to you and to engage and keep you, you know, going like that. So I would be very cautious with it, but if something came through an AI that AI couldn't have known, right.

46:45 that's when I would probably pay attention. I haven't had any experiences with that, but I'm not going to like poo poo it either. Yeah.

46:52 There's a, the term now that's going around called grief tech, where they're actually putting in, they're creating AI bots of deceased people. So basically all their videos, all their messages, all their writings, whatever, all their emails and dumping it into an AI. And then basically it's, you're talking to grandma kind of thing. And I don't, I understand the therapy of that. I mean, if I could sit down and have a conversation with my grandfather again, like a true conversation or with Einstein or with, you know, I mean, by the time I leave this earth, there will be thousands upon thousands upon thousands, tens of thousands of hours of recordings of my voice recordings of my everything plus

47:43 all the books and all the writings and all the every there'd be so much that you could arguably put a bot together uh and by the time i die it would be a hologram where you can just log in and just open up hey dad what do you think about this and literally have kind of like robert downey jr and um in uh avengers there is a spoiler alert when he passes and that's in this in the move in the movie and he left a hologram message.

48:15 It's not an AI, but it was a hologram. But that's where I see this is going. I mean, there's going to be a hologram version of you, a hologram version of me, and our kids and grandkids will be able to have a conversation with us based on the experiences of our life. There is a crazy danger with that because you could just get addicted because you're not allowing the grief to happen. because you're holding on so tight.

48:38 That makes sense to you?

48:39 It does. It makes a lot of sense to me. It's very dangerous. It's very dangerous because that's not your grandfather. That's, it's not your grandfather. And the grief process is very unique for people, but it's also special and it's really required. People who come to me and say, you know, love them, the love of my life passed. I can't seem to communicate with them. I can't feel them around. And they're going through a process where they're in what I call a grief bubble. And so there's going to be a temporary moment. And for some people, it's very short. And for some people, it's longer. But there's going to be a time when you're in sort of a bubble where it's it makes it harder to access signs, feelings, and

49:24 connection with your loved one on the other side. So it feels like they're not with you. And that's because we have to go through the grieving process. Mind you, I don't agree with this process. I wish everything was easy. you know, but you have to walk through it to heal. And then when you heal, something of that is going to come. And I don't think that this would allow people to walk through that grief process, meaning somewhere down the line, you won't be able to reconnect with your actual grandfather on the other side. Whereas if you go through the healing process, you can start to get signs.

50:05 Maybe he can visit you in a dream. But if you stay in that grief bubble, it makes it really hard to communicate with somebody on the other side. Here's the deal. Everyone can communicate with somebody on the other side. Everyone has mediumship abilities. Everyone has psychic abilities. Every single one of us. It's a matter of looking at them, honing it, practicing it. you know, and learning how it works for you, but everyone has it. So I would prefer to see people go through the grief process, shed that grief bubble and be able to have an actual connection with their loved one on the other side. And I think that would stop it.

50:48 And again, it depends on how you approach that tool. Like if I had a grandpa, I know it's not grandpa, but if I wanted to ask questions about his history or advice on Hey, I'm opening up a business. You've opened up 100 businesses in your lifetime. What advice do you have for me based on the knowledge? That's a different approach to it as opposed to leaning on it for emotional support. You're just trying to have a conversation with essentially a ghost of the person because based only on the information that the AI and the algorithm has been given to. It doesn't have everything a human being has, but it gives you a picture. A little bit. So you can use it like that because it's going to, I do truly believe it's going to be part of

51:30 our lives. It will eventually, we will have access to all of our relatives that chose to do that. I just don't doubt it. Absolutely. To be honest with you, I would do something like that for my kids or my grandkids. Like I would love to just be able to interview my grandfather about what happened to you in Cuba.

51:50 What happened to you when you showed up here? And if he had spoken about it at one point in his life or written about it at one point in his life, that might be an interesting conversation, but it's not an emotional, like, I'm not grieving. You know what I mean? Does that make sense?

52:02 That makes complete sense. I think diving into the history of somebody is fascinating and wonderful. My fear is when it crosses into the line of asking advice. Right? Because that system doesn't really know everything that's going on with you.

52:20 Got it.

52:22 So I'm going to open up another business. What do you think? And, you know, right. My grandmother on the other side knows how much work I have on my plate, what I got coming up because she sees that overview of everything. So her advice is going to be 10 times better than AI generated advice from an old catalog.

52:46 Got it. Makes sense. Now you were mentioning that everyone has psychic abilities. Everyone has mediumship abilities. And I completely agree with you 100%. As Christ said, everything I could do, you could do it more. So we're all able to do it. We're just at different levels of awareness and ability, kind of like our talents and skills that we have built up over many, many lifetimes. And what's also appropriate for this lifetime or not. It might not be appropriate for me for the lessons I want to learn in this lifetime to become a professional psychic medium and vice versa kind of thing. But why do you believe that right now, at this moment in history, humanity is, in general, is opening up a lot more to the concepts of

53:27 psychic mediumship, channeling, and things like that, and is not only opening up more, but more people are truly opening up. They're becoming more psychic. They're becoming more mediums. They're becoming channels more than ever before, and it seems to have ramped up in the last five years, six years in a way that it hasn't happened before in known history.

53:51 So is it because of the state that the world is in right now that we are looking away from traditional religions and traditional systems and looking inward and this stuff is happening? Or is it just humanity's consciousness is rising to a higher level? So that is by nature opening us up because we're just going into that frequency.

54:13 What do you think?

54:14 Both actually both, but it's a plan. It's a plan that has been put in place. Um, I don't know if you can tell, but you started talking and I'm all excited because I've been waiting for this for a number of years. Right. And we're just stepping into it now. So, uh, safe to say at the time of this recording toward the end of 2026, um, this is where stuff is starting to link into place. So 2019, I talked to my guide and said, what's going on for 2020? And he was like, buckle up. And I was.

54:54 Like, understatement of the year, understatement of the decade.

55:00 Yeah, I think he came through and said something like, it's going to be a little bumpy. But in all seriousness, he said, we need to talk about the next like, eight years, not just next year. And so 2027 is this era that we're stuck. It's a new year and it's going to be stunning. And the end of 2026 is where some things start to link into place to make it happen. The overall explanation I would say is we had to have chaos and wow, did we, right?

55:38 We had to have chaos. We still got some, but it's slowly going away there will always be some level of chaos. It's not a perfect experience here ever. But we had to have a lot of chaos to shake everybody, to wake everybody up. And that's exactly what happened. People started to wake up. They said, what am I doing?

55:58 Who am I? Why am I doing this? Et cetera, et cetera. And that lends itself to starting to have deeper awareness because the person's in the moment. So when you have all these people around the globe, who are thinking in the past, thinking in the future, and they're not in the moment, and you go through something so big like this, and it forces people onto the moment, forces people to look in the mirror, well, now you're going to have a whole lot of people waking up.

56:21 A whole lot of people. Now, everybody's not going to wake up. Everybody's not going to wake up. I had a student say, well, why not? Everyone should wake up. If everybody woke up, it wouldn't be waking up. We wouldn't even realize it. It would just be breathing. So it's fine that every role that is chosen for each person is completely fine. So here we are now right about the middle of 2026 is where like the clock ticked over. It was like, okay, you know, now this stuff is going to start moving out and we're going to start to integrate into how we're going to function moving forward. So for everybody listening who feels like they, they, know something, but they don't know something and they know

57:06 kind of who they are, but they don't quite know who they are. And it's an odd feeling. You're not alone. You're not alone. You'll have much more clarity as you go into January and February of 2027. So the things that are linking in, my apologies, I get so excited about this stuff because we're here. We're finally here. But the stuff that's linking in right now is more automated manifesting.

57:32 It's more of the conscious creator energy. It is seeing a lot more signs, being in the flow and then seeing signs that are just simply moments, repeating numbers or a very unusual word you said, or you talked about a very unusual name and then you turn around and an hour later you meet somebody with that name. So those type of synchronicities that aren't necessarily signs to do anything those types of synchronicities are gonna start happening more and more and more as we get to the end of 2026. This is just our way of being more linked in to the code, to the matrix, to the program, this play that we're in. We're starting to see more of the intricate details of the curtain and behind the scenes and all of this kind of stuff. So that's

58:22 gonna be a side effect that's gonna be coming in 2026. And the other one too is more anchored into, how do I want to say that? Easier decision-making, right? More clarity. We are going to become a lot more magnetic going into 2027. So we are going to feel that magnetic pull toward what we want and where we want to go more strongly, which is going to improve our decision-making skills. Also, instead of the outside affecting us, not negatively, but negatively and positively, the outside around us affecting our decisions, how we feel, how we move through this world, kicking into 2027, we're going to be moving through this world from the inside out and much more of a creation kind of experience, which is going to make us more magnetic, which is

59:17 going to bring us closer to our peeps faster and the things that resonate with us. So that was a lot, but I'm very excited about this time that we're stepping into.

59:29 You know, it's funny, you were saying about synchronicities. I think probably within the last year, I have started to see the term angel numbers, the only thing I can think of that covers it, but the 1-1-1-1, you know, 1-1-1, 2-2-2, 3-3-3. And it's not just, you know, it's, and I'm a fairly kind of grounded guy and also a I'm kind of skeptical in a way because I'm like, is it a coincidence? It's not coincidence, that kind of stuff. I'm like, okay, it's 1-11 and subconsciously I'm looking for it now. But then I see numbers like I'm watching a TV show and the guy's watch happens to be on the shot and it says 3-3-3-3 on it. I'm like, all right.

1:00:17 Or on the microwave or on the highways you're driving, I'm like, oh, look, the gas price is... Three, three, three, three. And it's nowhere else. Three, three, three, three. It's, you know, it's, it's everyone else is three, four, three, nine or more. So it's that kind of stuff that you're like, all right, but that's happening a lot to me lately. Like every day, every day, at least two to five times a day, I see these numbers depending on the day, which never, ever happened to me before. Can you explain that to me?

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1:01:00 It's going to be picking up. It's picking up your, this system is built on, um, on a code, on a matrix, whatever you want to call it. It's a program and we're in the program. We're in the play, you know, we're hanging out together. Cause you know, we're friends and on the other side, you know, we've got our, um, soulmates and our people on our soul group. And we're all came down here to have, you know, to have our lives together. But it's still a program. It's still like a holodeck kind of thing where we come down here and have these experiences. And we're starting to understand that on a deeper level. We're starting to shed some of the blinders that we had to really kind of what we're in. Intuition is opening up fantastically. People are

1:01:44 having so many more intuitive experiences. I think it's absolutely beautiful. Um, they're even just, they're knowing in their gut, they know they shouldn't do that, or they know they absolutely have to do this. That's the poll, a much more organic way of moving through this world and seeing those repetitive numbers on the watch. Come on. That's really cool. That's actually really cool. I like that one. That's really cool. Um, seeing the repeating numbers, it's going to just keep expanding.

1:02:16 You know, when we were also, when we were visiting here, my partner and I will joke every now and then if like we use a big word, we'll go, oh, impetus. And we'll like just joke back and forth about using a big word. And we were in the hotel. Somebody used the word impetus. We joked a little bit. We walked out. We go around the corner. There's a men's shop called impetus, a men's clothing shop. So those are the things you're going to start to see. And this is what I tell people to do. When you have a moment, where you see those numbers on that watch, or you see the impetus sign on the store, say, of course, of course I saw that. Own it, like own it. Put a little attitude in there, right? Like,

1:03:01 of course I saw that. I see stuff like this all the time. Then it's going to start becoming more and more normal and you're gonna link into this energy that's coming in, but enjoy it, enjoy it.

1:03:12 We kind of touched upon the idea of, the ethics of being a psychic medium. And you've been doing this for a few minutes, for a minute or two as a psychic medium. And I imagine that in your travels, you have seen things that were not ethically correct from other psychics, other mediums, and so on. What do you believe is a big kind of, you know, what's the biggest scam that you've seen with these like kind of corner psychics or I find it fascinating. Like you here in Austin and even in like LA and these places when you're driving by and no, again, if you have one of the things I'm about to say, I'm not saying that all of them are like that, but when you have a storefront and it's psychic readings and that's

1:04:07 all you do. Oh, obviously a neon sign with the hand, with the eye.

1:04:11 The hand.

1:04:11 Yeah, the hand and the eye and all that stuff. You know, I've been scammed when I was younger. I was scammed from a place like that. I was. It was horrific and it was a very difficult time in my life. When I did it, I was very, very young. I was in my early, early 20s when that happened. But I always find it fascinating. I'm like, how much business is that person doing? And they're not world famous.

1:04:37 that they're just getting people to come in off the street. What's going on in that business model? Because 50 bucks, 100 bucks, can't charge too much in those places because you're not anybody. No one knows you. You're off the street. So how does that business work? What's some of the biggest scams you've seen that people should kind of be aware of?

1:04:59 So let me just say, This is a huge pet peeve of mine. Like somebody who does this doesn't want to run into me in public because I will probably have.

1:05:11 A discussion with them.

1:05:11 Like this is a really big pet peeve of mine. But I've had clients that have come to me and have been out thousands of dollars. And yes, I may have had a conversation with that one. But the big thing is fear tactics, the scare tactics. If they tell you anything, about you're cursed, you're not safe, or this isn't going to work. I need to see you again, or here's a candle for $ 400. Anybody that tells you something scary like that, get up and leave. The scare tactic is what hooks somebody in. So yeah, sure, 20 bucks for a palm reading, but then next thing you know, you know, you got the big wrapped up head and the, sparklies coming down and the oh you know with the on the palm oh it's.

1:06:06 It's it's whoopi goldberg and ghost yeah.

1:06:10 Yeah well yes exactly and then they tell you um that they're picking up that you you might you're you're the cursed or you might die or you something like this And that's when people get scared and that's when people get vulnerable and will buy the candle because they're convincing. These people are charismatic and they're convincing. And I say, that's the worst one. If they tell you something that scares you, don't go back to see them. And as a reader, not an energy worker or something like that, but just a reader, you don't need to keep coming back to a reader. If a reader... Like I used to tell my clients come back every three months at the most, right? Or six, and then I kind of stretch it out to six months. If a reader can't

1:07:01 tell you everything they're supposed to tell you and the time that they're with you that one time, it's probably not the reader for you. If they tell you, you have to keep coming back every three days to pay them again and again, you're being scammed.

1:07:15 Interesting. Yeah, because it's, yeah.

1:07:18 Yeah. And I'm not talking about coaches. I'm not talking about coaches and I'm not talking about like life. That's different, you know, energy workers. But if you're just going strictly to a psychic or a medium, tapping in one time only and any fear that comes through, walk out the door.

1:07:37 Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you from my experiences when I was younger, I was addicted almost because I was so afraid of the future. That I kept going like, oh, what's going to happen? What's going to happen? What's going to happen? What's going to happen? And it's that kind of same addictive behavior. It's fear-based behavior, but it kind of like the psychic online, like psychic networks. You know, obviously Miss Cleo from our day. The father of the baby, yeah.

1:08:09 By the way, if you haven't seen that documentary, have you seen that documentary on HBO?

1:08:13 No.

1:08:14 The Miss Cleo documentary goes deep into who Miss Cleo was, what happened. I watched the whole thing. I was like, oh my God, this is amazing, amazing. So for anyone listening, who wants to laugh, just go online and type in Miss Cleo commercial and your mouth will drop. You're like, there's no way, there's no way. But those psychic networks, Theon Warwick had a psychic network and how much, and by the way, just a quick preview of that documentary, they would hire anybody off the street and they would just give them a script. And that was the psychic that they were speaking to. And even the people, they interviewed those people and they're like, after a certain point, I just couldn't do it anymore. because people were like

1:09:02 spending hours and thousands of dollars yeah i mean so so it's it's it's an industry that needs you need to be aware of who you're dealing with and it's it's it's kind of scary um but there's a lot of people vulnerable yeah right Discernment. Discernment is the biggest thing, uh, that we need to teach people about that stuff. Um, what's the, what's the most heartbreaking reading you ever had that affected you personally?

1:09:31 That affected me personally.

1:09:32 That stuck with you that you're like, you read it. You're like, son of a man, this is heavy or man, I didn't want to say this.

1:09:39 Yeah. I'll tell ya. We'll see if we can get through it without choking up. It was 15 years ago. I still have a tough time with it. Um, So my kids were younger, yeah, nine, 10, 10, 11, more like nine, 10. And they were going to, um, to this camp type thing in the winter. And I showed up to pick them up and the camp counselor person pulled me aside and said, we need to talk because they went out on to the pond that they're not supposed to walk on. And the ice is really, really thin.

1:10:10 They're okay. They're okay. But we need to talk about following the rules.

1:10:16 Absolutely.

1:10:16 Absolutely. I went home, went to bed, stewed about it. What if, what if, what if? And you go through all the fear of like, what if they fell through the ice? The next day I find out the ice is melted. Like it was super thin.

1:10:30 Okay.

1:10:30 I now have a client later that day and I work really hard at staying out of the way, right? Like not putting my input in because then that's going to skew what's coming through. But I sat down with her and two small boys, they had to be about five years, four years old, five years old, came through. And for me, it's height tells me age. And they were the same height. And I said, I see two children.

1:10:58 They're the same height, which means they're the same age. And she said, yes. And I said, OK. And then I saw one of them fall through the ice. And. I instantly thought I was putting this into the reading out of the fear that I had just wallowed in.

1:11:20 Of course, of course.

1:11:21 All night. Like, that's what this should be. And I said, well, I'm going to be honest. I'm seeing something, but I'm afraid I might be, you know, and I was just really honest about it. She said, just tell me what you're seeing. And I told her and she said, please keep going. And I did. And sorry, the other boy reached for his brother and then fell in. And she said, that's all I wanted to know. And those were her kids.

1:11:55 And that's how they died. I have a hard time telling this story.

1:11:59 Oh, I'm so sorry to have you relive that. I apologize.

1:12:03 No, it's, it's a beautiful story and emotions are a beautiful thing and it's, and it's fine. So her and I, came together. It wasn't that because I needed her, she needed me. We had two very different outcomes. I completely, that's completely fair. But the beauty and the strength in this woman and how she had moved through her grief and continued to keep her babies in her life and all of this, I have never been so inspired by a woman before. And we had a wonderful session and then she left and I talked to my guide. I said, what was that? And he said, um, perfect timing. That's what it was. So yeah, it was, um, sometimes it's more than a reading. Sometimes it's an experience that multiple people need to have. And there have been times that

1:13:04 I've walked away from readings, learning something myself, like, like, wow, you know, I've, I was married for 20 years and wasn't a good marriage. And I remember when I started doing readings, I would meet people who had been married for like 50 years or something. And when their loved one would come through, I would feel the type of love that I had never felt before. And I started to go, wait a minute. Wait a minute. So this doesn't, if this doesn't feel familiar, that might not be okay.

1:13:41 Right.

1:13:42 So I grew a lot as a person by doing readings and just by being a witness or seeing the power of mankind or what can be done in the strength of a woman. I mean, the stuff that I've experienced, there's no amount of gratitude that I could express for it.

1:14:03 Wow. That's beautiful. But where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

1:14:10 Well, I do a really good job of keeping everything in one place. So it's my website. It's called thesagemethod.com, T-H-E-S-A-G-E-M-E-T-H-O-D.com. And there you'll find free courses, community, anything that you're looking for for your intuitive journey.

1:14:28 Beau, next time you're in the States, please, I hope that you can make your way down to Austin because I absolutely adore you. And I look forward to our next conversation. Hopefully we'll do in person. If not, I'll take you through Zoom to Portugal. It's fine.

1:14:44 That's fine. The second I'm there though, I will let you know I'm on my way and we'll meet in person again.

1:14:50 Give me a few hours notice at least.

1:14:53 So I'm on a plane.

1:14:56 No, no, no. I'm on the way from the airport now.

1:15:00 I'm in an Uber. I'll see you soon.

1:15:05 Exactly. But it's been such a pleasure. Thank you so much for being here and thank you for everything you're doing to awaken the planet. So I appreciate you, my dear.

1:15:13 Thanks for having me on.

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