Episode 21 - The John Mayer Plug-in

0:00 Been purposefully not telling you what's happening. Here we go. Because. Here we go, just. Got to make sure I got to press the screen record so we make. Sure. Oh yeah. Make sure you record this total. Screen, thank you. And we're recording, is it? Recording Are we on? We're on. Oh, what are we doing? Really what's happening is we're going through a plug in that took the guitar Internet by storm. John Mayer, Archetype X.

0:25 Even I heard about this. Bro wait no archetype John Mayer. X archetype John Mayer. Get it right. This was sitting in our inbox for a while. They, they sent it to us a while ago. But we just, we've had a lot on our plate. We had Ben Travers come in and melt our faces. We had Christmas, New Year's.

0:41 We've had a lot go on and remember, we did the song in the hour and we had our computer time, and I think this was already here by that point that you were telling me about it. But Long story short, we're here. Now here we are, and I think it's good that we're taking our time putting out a video after all that chaos, the maelstrom of guitar YouTube all putting out the same video, he let the.

1:04 Fires die down. Not that I have not been a part of that in the past, but you can lose a lot in the wash. Dude I saw that video that John posted where he had an engineer kind of not tricking him but switching between his AMS and the plug in. Plug in. And he couldn't tell. Yeah, it was like, man, you know, that's if anything for John and his ears and his feel, that is a testament to what they got off.

1:47 This So we have this plug in pulled up here, and I think the goal is to not only go through as many presets as we can before our cameras die, but also to examine what makes this plug in different than other plug insurance or other sound setups that a guitar player may find themselves having. So without further ado, I have a little surprise for you.

2:10 OK, what you got, dude? Here we go. Every time I come here, it's a new surprise. This is the No Cover Charge podcast and we spare no expense. We don't do half assed gear shootouts. OK. This is a plug in that features 3 amps that you can dial in at once. That's the whole thing. He's like a little baby Bonamassa thing. Yeah, it's.

2:31 He's got the BB Bonamassa thing. So that's the whole gimmick with this plug in is you can put three on three amps on. But I've got it set to this lead. 2 live room preset, 3 amps on I. Don't know what's happening people. This is not scripted. This is just like our NCC fluorescent light. I had no idea what's. Happened.

2:49 The surprise hasn't quite yet happened yet, but it is the suspense is building. Now my heart is racing. Let me fetch you a guitar. Let me fetch you a guitar. Nice cable. Thank you. What guitar are you getting? Take a John Mayer silver sky in Orion green. I've only. Played one of these once for like 10 seconds so I've never even played these guitars. OK.

3:11 OK, is this a surprise? It's a nice guitar, no surprise yet. Oh gosh. Just plug her in. Yeah, I'm plugged in. I got noise. Is this a surprise? The noise? No. OK. Go ahead, play something. OK. So this is 3 AMS at once. Right. OK. Cool, now I also have three AMS. Oh, whoa. Turn this one on. Turn that one on.

3:57 You are sick in the head. I also have a third line sent out to my aux box. Take that out. That one down there, yeah. Uh huh. Oh boy. Yeah, boy. You're going into an Empress Effects buffer plus stereo, which splits your signal into two different amps. On one side we got a Fuchs Full House 50. On the other side we got a Supro delegate.

4:41 I also have a third line sent out to my aux box which is going into a modded PRS Dallas amp. OK. Hey, that's pretty good. Being in the same room with the amps, it just gives you a completely different experience. I think that too. That was what I was trying to demonstrate, not trying to match John's whatever setup looks like a Dumble offender and another Dumble situation happening here.

5:18 Uh huh. This is a different 3 amps set up here, but the feeling of amps in the room, you nailed it. 3 verses on the monitors. It's just a different method of playing, delivering your licks a different energy and that's all plug insurance are. It's just a different little way to view through the lens. I think too, if we were to sit here now and we sat here with the amps on just as you have them and we went into the plug in, we're like, well, you know what, what are we hearing that has more?

5:47 OK, of course we're hearing it's in the room, but maybe let's add a little bit more room sound. You know, the headroom hero maybe, or I don't know these terms, but it's just making that sound a little bigger as to match what we're feeling in the room. But that's a huge part of this. And I kind of got smoked by a few people when we were talking about feel before, but this is another situation of feel, Not necessarily how you're playing the notes, but how you're basically reacting to what you're hearing come out of the plug in or the amps. And I think that's one of the things I got addicted to right away was having a loud amp and having that feel and almost feeling the weight of the notes.

6:28 I'm always going to tell you that I like the feel of the amp. So now that we've got the guitar nerd elitist take out of the way sound moving air through my panties, come on. We're really going to talk about the tone now from here on out. So regardless of your preference on how how you like your guitar tone delivered to you, yes, there's no denying that there's probably some good sounds within this little box.

6:50 This video is not sponsored by Tyler and I's favorite water yet, Liquid Death. Liquid Death is seriously we. We named our jam that we did. Doctor. Death because we were drinking, Doctor Death. I was, I Jared had a few minutes. I'm like third person. A few minutes this morning before I was going to bother Tyler and knock on his door.

7:10 And I was like, you know what? I think the boys need some deaths. Yeah. And here we are, dude. The death has fueled many a podcast. So we'll just we'll find a tone 1st and then we'll share it. Are we going to share tones? Let's just let's just go with E flat voodoo just out of principle. Oh, there it is.

7:30 That sounds really that's a big old. Sound. That sounds nice and woofy. Are you 2 1/2 step down? My face, dude, I'm stuck this way. That's nasty. Am I on? I think you're on. You know what I love is you get this like that low end wolf that it almost feels like a speaker rattling. There's something cool about that, I feel like.

8:23 And one thing I've already noticed about this plug in is he has something really interesting that I never would have suspected, this harmonic tremolo, which isn't on right now. We'll see it in future presets, but it's this psychedelic thing that fits, really. I'll pop that on. It gives me that feeling that I love, which is it's, it's not like a trick, but it almost feels like your guitar is breathing a little bit.

8:51 Let's. Move on to the next preset. OK, We'll go through some presets, but I got to ask a few questions like what is transpose? Transpose is what we just had going on. So it goes from E your your guitar is still in standard tuning and we transpose it down. That's dude. That's the beauty of these plugin's the neural stuff in particular, it has the transpose right in that little knob.

9:11 So I can go check. This. I thought of that because I was like, what's your guitar tuned to go lower? How low does it go? Did jam it Craig. OK, that right there is worth the price of admission for me. This is how much I didn't know. About it again, not. Pose features sick. Not a neural, not a neural commercial, but yeah, that's in all those plug insurance, I believe.

10:03 Especially on like a songwriting aspect. Let's say you have a riff that you're like, I love the way it sounds in this position. Then it's like, oh, but it's too high for me to sing or it's too low and throw that on. You can at least get a feel right. Away Golden Gate was our next preset which we just used there.

10:22 It almost feels like the last one, but it's got more like they kicked out of OverDrive. I know there's more like this. This is just the middle amp Golden Gate. I don't know what Golden Gate means. We're going to miss a lot of probably puns in these presets and stuff and references. Those of you that.

10:36 Are I don't know what Golden Gate is about. You can say hey Jared, quit saying like so much and also tell me what I'm missing out of Golden. Gate, I say. We move on to another one here. Just plain dumb. Uh oh, let me guess, they were messing with it? And he goes, dude, that's just plain dumb. I think he probably means dumb in a good way. Either that or it's just a Dumble. Dude, you're so smart.

10:57 I don't know if it's true. Just plain dumb. No dude, that's like, it's just plain dumble man. We both. Got we both got dumbles. Are we on? Yeah. What key are we in? In the key of. D. The. The. Favorite preset yet? Oh, just plain dumb is the best. SO dude, what's sick about it is obviously it's super, super distorted, but it's just like, it's like butter tone, dude. It's like articulated, but it still is like nasty. Well, the thing about the Dumble, too, that I've noticed getting to play one.

13:06 You've played one. Yeah, yeah. The roar of it and the vocal quality, it's what you look for in a lot of amps. I hear this in like that Mesa amp. You can get a vocal roar out of it when it's loud and over saturated but like it it comes out in the bends like. Yeah, dude. Like that's on the the bridge pickup right there.

13:29 See how low that is? It's like hairy and growly. Oh, I love that. I love that setting. I would just want, dude, I would just want that. Just give me that all the time because I hear that dude, just put that in a little box for me and I can just show up with. That the guys at Neural really screwed up, wasted a lot of time. They could have just put out that one that one setting. That is sick.

14:04 You rock on that silver sky. Hey, dude. What do you think of that thing? I think the Sky's the limit. That's a paradox. I'm making sure my mic's on bro pulls right off. Just pull it off. You leave the the hand on, he guesses. He just felt like playing this. The pull down or do. You I do the pull down because you can get the vibrato.

14:37 There you go. And then you pull it off. Well, he just the lick that he plays is. Well, that's it. That's nice. I think John Mayer used a Gretch or it could have been an Epiphone. I got to look back at the footage, but he used some big hollow body to get this sound. Really, we're not going to get close to it, but the just plain dumb bull. Just plain dumb bull.

15:24 You know, I might try and hit it. Music. Oh I see dude, even I know about that. Have you? Do you know about Gravity Clean? The. Hey can I tune really quick? Is there a tuner on this thing? Yes there is. Allow me to show. And you can transpose. Can you tune? Tuner. OK, Now that's tight. Your boy was bending this silver sky a little bit like it owed him money. Dude music is when viewers will notice this. You can do a throwback.

17:41 This used to have some Telecaster pickups in it. Did you mess it up? I cut into this guitar. You did? Yeah. I was bored one day. I don't know. You're like, what should I do? Let me chop up. I was like literally scraping the bottom of the barrel for ideas and I scraped the bottom of this pick up cavity and put some different pickups in to try and make an already really great guitar better. Oh wow, did it help?

18:04 I don't think so, so I put it back. Oh, this is back OK. So that was the gravity clean. We liked that. So we got gravity clean and gravity. And I'll be on the gravity clean. Here we go. He's got 5 settings for gravity he must love. Holy crap. So do we really need to go through all 5? Not necessarily, I think the clean. And the X what?

18:53 All right, fine, we will. What does ODX mean, John? So essentially, it's going to be all right. You ready for that big part of the solo? Man? We're going over the edge. This seems like it could be alive. I'm. Not going to say this like with a lot of plug insurance, but what I'm noticing about this, there's a lot of low end in this, which is great because it's like it feels like you're actually playing a real.

19:31 Or. You have to like do a new. Track, I'm going to see how long we can get before we have to open a new session, but all right, hot bridge. Tyler, what's that hot bridge sound like there, young man? Let me tell you. Now is this like a hot bridge? Like a oh. Hot Bridge. That sounds like a hot bridge. How's it feel?

20:04 It's hot. Does it feel good under the fingers? Seems really nice, but it seems like it's pretty, pretty hot almost to the the hot of like over Tony Fuzzy. That's sick. All right, let's move along man. We are never going to get through all these. Dude we're going to have like an 8 hour episode. Yeah.

20:21 I mean, honestly, so we've gone through half of 1 and look at this within all of these. Wait a minute, so all of these players made their own version of. It yeah, we we didn't mention. I guess that's a little some another surprise for you. All these players, you'll know a lot of them. They went in and made their own presets on the John Presets. Yep dude that is nuts.

20:42 We're never going to get through all. These so we had a really lofty goal to go through every preset and that quickly became impossible. But we've really paid homage to the John presets. I think one more will do. The stately Blues I just really can't ignore because stately when I when I see that title, I'm just like, yeah, rather. This is rather stately.

21:03 Would you like to hear some regal? Blues dude, I love that John Mayer record, the Live 1 with Pinot Palladino and Steve Jordan on drums. But like some of his tones on that record, I remember when that came out, I was like into Stevie and Jimmy and all that stuff. And when I heard that try record, I remember I was like, whoa, dude, this is like the next dude doing it. And I remember he had the, I think it was out of my mind. It was called, it was like a slow Blues on there. And he was, he had like, he was going like a, it's kind of like that.

21:43 Do you remember that dude? That's the stately Blues lead that you have, and I have this just the mere stately Blues. Oh. Dude, that gives me the tone of that song off that record. I don't know if that's what it was going for, but like it's got that like yet again, it's got that basey thing to it, but it's got that little bit of like slap. Just like AB flat dominant jam.

22:10 Almost like a stately, like hey bro, oh B flat, B flat. B flat or B? Well, let's go. Dude if we go B flat we're like jazzers. All right, I'm going to take my pick and set it down. Set your pick down on that. Now we got it. I dig it bro. It's got. Yes, I will say this, out of all of these plugins that we've or you know the presets we've tried, every single one has gave me a little stank face. And if that's my gauge, it's stank Face approved. Stank face approved.

23:26 Because there's like tones in everyone where I go. Oh yeah, that's exactly what I want to feel. So now we're going to abandon John's presets later, Dude, it's been fun. Thanks, man. Now we're going to go on to the artists, the various artists who've. We know a lot of these people. Yes. Let's see.

23:41 Adam Christensen, Autumn Nollie get good. Andrew Goldstein, Ariel. No. No. No, I know Ariel. I don't know who Bear McCreary is, but the first thing I thought of was Bear Grylls. This tone can survive in the wild bear. McCreary, I'm sure you're awesome and we're going to meet sometime and you have a badass name. Yeah, we're going to try one of your presets too. Let's try it right now.

24:02 I think we just have to try 3. Reminds me of driving on a highway in the desert at dawn. Got to put your shades on even though it's 4:30 in the morning because that sun's coming up. It's. Going to be a long. Day I haven't slept for 36 hours, been driving all night trying to get to your destiny. Trying to get to Vegas man.

24:36 Trying to win it all back. All right, so we went really far with that one, but dude. How about incinerate Go. OK, that sounds dude, that sounds dangerous. It's like you showed up with just like a flamethrower and you started flame throwing those. Incinerating. Beautiful incinerating Blues licks, sick bears.

25:06 Got cool presets. I like it. Yeah, there's a lot of names here we know. Let's go through the people we know. Blues Saracino shout out. I love you, Blues. Blues. What do you want to try out of Blues? I dig the the zag on the on the concept here, but it is very, you know what Blues. He just wants to know where to put the knobs.

25:23 That's what kind of guy he is. That's cool Strat Strat solo. I like the little bit of delay corner. Yeah, you're not normally a delay guy. It's nice when it's like you just feel it almost like pinging off the notes. It's not so in the front. It's almost like this kind of whoosh that comes at the end so that. Billy Martin seems like he's probably a cool guy though. Let's let's try out party time.

26:09 If you have a preset called party time, I'm trying it. That's a cool preset. I feel like it works really good on the Strat. It's got a lot of high end. You sounded great on it. Party time, party time. Let's move along now. How about Corey Wong, Corey. Wong. Play nice voicing. Nice voicing dude, I like that. Oh yeah.

27:16 The. The one thing like, besides all this cool, fun guitar stuff, like those three chords together, dude, yes, I could sit there and play that all day. It feels like I'm running through a field. Like the wonderment Mayor was is was is so good at. That one of the many things John Mayer has provided guitar players is great riffs to play in the guitar store.

27:39 So if you pick up a guitar in the guitar store, you just want to sound good, you know, get a feel for the guitar. Just play this BB major add 9 and then a nice little liner 9 and a little A major add nine. You don't even have to make it that fancy, just bar chord with the open string. It's so nice. But adding that little 9 in there, is that what you're doing?

28:03 Yeah, I'm adding and then leaving the strings open. Oh, that's so gorgeous, dude. And you, you can do it. Yeah, I like it because this key allows for these open. Yeah, you can have all that ring out the whole. Time if you want to. Clearly that's what Mr. Corey Wong was thinking when he made this preset.

28:19 Corey. Nice one. Jack Gardner, our old buddy, even though, even though we haven't met him yet, we've already shattered him out in podcasts. Yes. How about the funk Start me up. We haven't had much funk. Yeah, let's get funky. It's cool too, as it's showing us we're going straight to that Fender amp.

28:35 It's got the light on the Fender. The. Pretty sick. Funky as hell. Man, that's funky as hell. But what's cool about it is it still has a grit to it, but it has that like clean, like percussive, snappy thing. You can dig into that one without. Without having to worry. And sometimes with Strat stuff like that you can feel really tinny.

29:25 When? You're looking for that sound. That clickiness of like, that's why a lot of times too with like strats like I want to play on the bridge pickup, but I don't because it'll get too plinky with that sound. Good one. Jack good one. Jack, we'd love to explore more of your presets, but we're trying to make some good time. Hold on, can I just dude.

29:43 Oh, that's. The best tone of the video right there, dude. Liquid death, Liquid death, doctor death. You know what's funny about that too? As I was at I was at the store and you know, me looking like me already, People are wondering what's going on. And then I go up with two deaths, right? They kind of look like beers.

30:00 And there was a a guy sitting there and he looked at me. He went this look at this poor, poor soul. I had two deaths. You know dude, if you only knew there were just water to hydrate to shred. If only people knew looking at us, that we are not in pain. I swear we're in bliss. It's just our our faces when we're. Yes, exactly.

30:17 What you got? All right, let's see James Valentine from Maroon 5. What's? Up, James. I've met James many years ago. We've interacted a couple times on social. Never. Met James, he seems like a cool dude. Would love to have him on this. We should. Totally shout out James man. Come on the pod, dude. Breath is tight.

30:32 Which one do you think moves like him? So is this like his tone for moves like? Jagger look, he did like a Maroon 5. I like how he punned his own songs against it. John will be loved. John will be loved. That's clean, baby. I like that. Gorgeous dude, you always do this cool thing and I started to steal it from you Yeah, I stole it when you do this thing where you. Oh yes.

31:31 I got that from you because you do that and I go, God, that's ugly in the best way possible. So you could be playing like, you know, back on. So it's that like 2? Yeah, I love that. It's kind of a Tylerism. I stole and that's what you do. Oh, so you do like a three note like a stole it stolen? Stolen licks.

31:52 So James Valentine turns out he knows how to design A guitar tone. James, that was sick, dude. Here we go again, on to the next one, Joe Satriani's take on John Mayer's rig. I like how it says Johnzilla 12345. All right, Johnzilla 12345 which? What would I pick? What's your lucky number out of this?

32:09 What? Would I pick? I'd pick. 5 All right 5. There's a lot of a lot of bite on that tone, my man. Bite on that one. Just. See for fun what John Zilla 1 is. Let's see if it goes like from 1:00 to 5:00. Nope. See I was thinking it would be 1 would be the chill. 1 I mean I've. Played through, I don't know, I played through a bunch of dumbbell modded amps.

32:47 So one thing I always notice you brought it up was that vocal like tone. I'm hearing that extra thing that's got that, I don't know, that harmonic ring. It's like a guy going. It really is, dude. I'm gonna hire a guy to just go behind me and I finally just go look at that. Who's that? And I'll be like, who? Just put him under a sheet.

33:05 If only there was a way for like Neural to do a testimonial. The archetype John Mayer X plugin sounds like a guy yelling in the best way. Possibly Johnzilla. I I figured that at least one of these. No, they're all going to be crazy. Gorgeous. We haven't. Messed around with anything as far as adding or changing anything. So every single one of these, I would say just from my ears sitting here right now, they're all so usable right out-of-the-box.

33:47 That was really cool. That was like an old super colossal sound. Yeah, that was gorgeous. All right, we'll move on from Satch. Tyler's the Satch fanboy. Dude, Joey Landreth. You know him, right? Of course. What kind of? He's got gnarly slide. Do you have a slide? Do you play slide a little slide on there I could. Try.

34:02 Do you have a slide? Yeah, somewhere. Well, these strings are pretty low, so maybe I could just try a little bit as long as it's like not like a 300 LB slide, bro. People go, I play slide and it's like a Oh yeah, I could use that. How's that? It's going to be a slide. Is this thing? Is this the gnarly slide? I don't think so.

34:22 Still sounds like. We need to put you in. Put me somewhere, dude. Put him in coach. Oh, is that it? Oh, that is it. Hello. Oh dude, let me get a clean boy. You know, I don't play slide a lot, but I think what's really cool, even if you don't play slide, you know a lot of people right off side. I don't do that.

34:49 It's really cool because like, shoot, even looking like Paul Gilbert, people that mess around with slide just opens up another dimension. I would say at this point, Paul Gilbert plays slide Paul. Gilbert plays slide dude. He hasn't built into his guitars like. Almost like a slide player now you know.

35:03 Paul Gilbert, the new Derek. Truck if Paul, if Paul Gilbert doesn't come up on every one of our podcasts, I'll be disappointed dude, until he until he comes on this. Paul, I'm going to call you. I'm going to go to Felix Byrne. I'm going to grab a clean Spacey guitar preset. What you got? Baby, and you hit me with that sweet slide. Joey Landry.

36:00 The. I don't know how did that. Nice dude. Dude you sound awesome with the slide. Thanks. I don't think I've ever heard you play 1. A lot of times I'll play slide like when I'm recording stuff, but to be honest, slide's one of those things where sometimes I'll be jamming and I'll be like, man, this, This would sound sweet for a slide partner. Just forget the slide.

36:30 John Petrucci has three presets, Clean Your Room, Don't Make Me Shred, and Express. Yourself. Hey. Hey, John. Yeah, it's it's your your friends over at neural. What are you doing? I'm grilling out. What's up? Yeah. Can you go through the John Mayer Sure it's going to be Don't make me shred. Clean your room and what was the other? One, whatever this one is.

36:51 Express yourself. Express yourself. Cool tone I think I got super hyper focused OverDrive but clean it's got. Good give. That delay after 2. Yeah, whoa. It works really great for a Strat too. And you don't associate Petrucci with a Strat? A lot of these guitar players, I guess. Not necessarily. I would, you know, obviously we won't. We don't have enough time, but I'd love to put like my Les Paul on and go through this because I bet you, I mean, I'm sitting here with this one.

37:33 It's awesome. But this seems like a plug in that has legs for any guitar you plug into it. A little jamsky, you understand. Express yourself and do some shreddy. And you can have clean your room. Jared, what are you doing? Just just cleaning my room. Patrushi told me to clean my room. John Patrushi told me to clean my room. Wow, dude.

37:55 Patrushi's like one of the first Neural plugins I believe. Is it really? Yeah. What kind of chords would? You like first signature one Patrushi. Turns out he's pretty good at designing guitar tone. Honestly to this clean sound. The cool thing about this plug in so far is I think out of all of the Neural stuff, this one has the most variety of the amp sources, right? Sometimes I feel like, oh, that's definitely this plug in. Regardless of whether they have a couple different amps, it feels like that This one feels like a pretty good variety of sounds that doesn't necessarily feel like these, only these 3 amps you.

38:49 Have no, I'm not even seeing this as there's not many borders on this man where it's like, well, this is what you get. It's like, clearly you're able to take this stuff and mold it. Wherever you want. It to Kiko, rips. Shout out Kiko. He's got a lot of different. Kiko came to one of my first shows ever.

39:05 Really. Yeah, that's cool. It was amazing. Was was he impressed? Was he impressed? Yeah, he was really, you know what? He was like a sweet dude. Nice. And I was like, I was just like, bro, you ripped. Yeah, Kiko's incredible. SRV 50. Four SRV 54. That's what you got your eye on. Let's pop. I just did. Caught my go.

39:22 Ahead and put it in the microwave there for you. Dude, can you Preheat the oven for me on that? SRV 54 wouldn't. Have that. Should be in your oven. Is that SRV 54? That's it. Uh oh, all. Right. Let me get you a little. Let me get you a little rhythm. Dude. Let me find 1 of Kiko's rhythm tones for me.

39:50 Green Zone rhythm. Do we think try it? That'll work. Yeah, let's do it. Oh, she's starting to slow down, dude. Oh. Hold on this one might have might have been the the axe in the coffin that. Dude, the computer's telling us it's like boys. I got 21 instances of mayor open right now. We're still alive. We're still.

40:11 Going. The. That was fun. I I extended the verses. So good. I was hoping you didn't stop. That's the best Stevie tone I've heard in quite some time out of you. Oh well, dude, especially, you know, a lot of people, man. Look at this if you're going to do Stevie though. For real dude with that like that. You got to snap it.

41:40 You I'm I'm surprised the string is still in that. Well, you know, it's like funny, I got the unbreakable strings on there. Shut up. The paradigms are. You serious? Do they not break? They don't break. You can try try. Don't hurt yourself though. I would never. One SEC. Is that broken? Oh shit it.

42:16 Just ran it out y'all. I went for AI, tried a 2 1/2 step OK. I've had this guitar for a while. I haven't I haven't had it set up, but it's usually pretty. That's kind of a normal thing for a guitar to fret out a little bit. It really is no. The G can take it. Jared trying to break a string. Trying to break the paradigms, but yeah, they don't break. That's.

42:44 Awesome 62. How are we doing? 3.3 gigahertz 12 core Intel. So it took 20 instances of the mayor to crash that. That's pretty great. I think you'll never need 20 instances of the mayor plug in or you should learn. Yeah, in one session. You should learn how to bus also. Oh, Mark Letiri. Mark. Mark Letiri, the the fantastic and wonderful.

43:05 Let's find one that has the little, you know, like kind of some effects. I'm sure he'll have something like that for us. Like that I don't trust myself thing, yeah. You got something there? Let. Me. See what I got? I knew it, dude. How'd you know that bro? What's this one called? Reflective funk. You're smart, bro.

43:30 I just literally want my instincts. It's very cool like that. Did you call that like a touchwa? Envelope. I wonder. What Jon used to make that sound. I think it's an envelope Envelope filter Filter Qtron I believe is the lower. I'm in what did Jon Is that Qtron? Is it a Qtron? Qtron. I'm sure somebody out there knows exactly what he used.

43:54 It's. The Qtron. And we'll choose another Mark Litteri. Squeaky clean. How about yeah? Dude, let's go squeaky. Actually, we'll go tasty trim and give me a little atmosphere, yeah? I hear it. I hear that girl we got to do. The trim dance. Got to go all right, kind of really a touch sensitive thing though, because you can hit one thing and it doesn't exactly pump through.

45:01 See, it's like a kind of a kind of expression. That one is the So he has his pedals here. Oh, that's cool. An antelope filter. He probably came up with that one in Montana looking at antelope. He was like, man, look at that antelope filter. Just plain dumb. Is that the best one? Honestly, that was my favorite.

45:19 I mean, there, don't get me wrong, there's some beautiful clean tones and there was a lot of really amazingly composed tones, but the just plain dumb to me was like, yeah, cool. That's the one that would fire up, but plenty more to explore. We didn't even get into all the Neural DSP presets by the way.

45:36 I don't know. Look at all these. I'm not going to sit here and act like I know everything about neural DSP, but I don't know how much this costs, but I will say it's. Not a lot of money yeah, I don't think like the same as A1 guitar pedal I probably. So with that being said, it's an amazing. Have we said anything bad? Wait, we have to say something negative about Neural because to prove that it's not sponsored?

46:01 OK, I'll say something negative. Why is it always that they, like, make things try and look old on a computer? Yeah, like, look at the pedals. Oh, your pedals got scuffed up? Dude, we're on a. Cool, your pedals look so. Like in the room with me, like the computer pedals had scratches on them because, you know, it's like, that's the only bad thing I could say. Yeah.

46:17 I kind of it pisses me off because I want to they look so real and good that I want to touch the touch and I broke my computer screen. So thanks, Neuro. I don't know what I could really say bad about this this saying because it's such a tool. Like we are truly living in the future with this kind of stuff, man.

46:33 If you have nothing nice to say, shred. I think that there's a lot of people that are gatekeepers on tone and they're gatekeepers on how everything needs to be or they think they've done it all and they've seen it all when in reality they haven't. And for someone like me that loves, like we said in the beginning of this real amps, but also hearing this man, I am I, I love it all.

46:55 I think it's all so much fun. And to those players out there that are going to sniff, you know, stick their nose up or whatever, it's like, well, go have fun because there are so many things to discover on this that are so cool. Great job Johnny Boy and the gang over at Neural for thanks for sending it to us and we hope you guys enjoyed this episode.

47:15 We got John Bollinger next week and then we got a bunch of Nam content coming. We're going to Nam, baby. For the next six weeks, it's going to be absolute mayhem and chaos on this show, so we hope you stick around and join us. Without further ado, have you ever heard Wow Blue? I don't know if I have. You don't know?

47:35 Wow, Blue. I don't know what that is. The. Music.