Jason Lee Tells All: Beyoncé Controversy, Rihanna & Cardi B, and the Truth About Latto's Team

Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

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Will nobody think about my relationship with Beyonce, because it doesn't matter what people think. They're free to think whatever they want as it relates to Beyonce. The people around her, like Angibn's who I love knows, Ty Hunter, who's a friend of mine, who introduced me to Beyonce, knows Neil who does her here, who's a friend of mine, knows Jules, her nephew knows. You know, Kelly Rowland, who I talked not long ago, who saw the Internet stuff. We had a conversation. She knows how much I love her. I checked you and oh yeah, Kesh, Kelly checks the girls. Kelly, you know what's so crazy?

Are we talking now? Are we in it?

We're in it.

So listen, rain drops, you're not seeing double and something happens where you and I.

Crash and burn. Who would be entertained?

But listen, I'm here with somebody who is a friend of mine. I'm super proud of him. He is a media impressario.

He is a boss. He's also a politician. He is additionally a.

Man that has Hollywood on lock. Give it up for the King of Hollywood, Jason Lee.

Thank you. I tend to think I'm the king of the world. At this point, I'll take Hollywood.

I have to conquer one demographic at a time, one general location, but geographically, you know, I.

Touch every point in the world.

At this point, you are on Carlos King's couch. Bitch.

I love it, a couch that I paved the way for you to have. You know, this is the problem.

This is problem with a bitch who gets a couch from Ashley's furniture and thinks these other bitches that try in here all of a sudden gave him a crown. Bitch, The crown that you polish every day comes with the Jason Lee shine. So yes, I am here, I am gracing the couch. I see everybody else. Son, I love this show. It's always viral. I saw the four point twenty six billion in pressures. I'm like, oh that's cute.

Let me go on and put my forty billion out. You know who's counting, who's counting. We're all doing the work. You look good, by the way, thank you.

So the thing is this, you know, I watch your shows weekly and I'm aware of you being like this health nut.

So listen, gays and the days and the girls. You look good.

Thank you.

What are we doing?

It's money, It's absolutely money.

First of all, to all of you out there saying, yeah, but he used to be fat, and then there's other people saying, but I love fat Jason, and there's other people saying, yeah, he wasn't fat, he was thick. No, I was fat as fuck. I was three hundred and twenty three pounds. I lost control myself after years of trauma and no excuses. And I'm not like asking for sympathy or empathy, like just motherfucker started drinking and not partying and being reckless and not working out and had lost myself. You know, yes, you saw the Recula clip. Yes, I was snacked in now I'm a snack again. Snack is back. Anyway, I was three hundred and twenty three pounds and then I was on TV and it still didn't change me. Like people were seeing me like, oh

my god, you know you're cute.

It up, No I wasn't.

I was cute, but I was like the fat cute friend. Well, anyway, So I tried to lose weight for like a year. Couldn't lose no weight. So I went to Houston. Shout out to doctor Marvin. Cut half my stomach out, got the gastric sleeve, dropped one hundred and twenty three pounds, got down to two hundred, got in the gym, started drinking lots of water.

But then I started getting.

Obsessed with health like micronutrient testing, nad stem cell, vitamin ivy therapy, and then like now I'm in it. And then of course now I'm about to be forty nine. I'm one year away from being fifty. So now I'm into like boatogs fillers, what does the threading shit look like? And like I'm like just in this whole process of wanting to you know, age gracefully, but juzz it up a little bit here and there. Yeah, I ain't gonna look like a cat like some of the girls.

Sit on your couch.

Oh my god, around you know, I ain't playing around because when it dropped, it's just time to drop. Like we were like, it's gonna drop at some point, like I'm gonna age gracefully, you know, with a little aging gracefully. And the thing is you're you're biracial. Yes, so your mother is Italian and Greek, okay, and my father's black okay.

Yes.

So are you afraid of tapping into that other side where they say it doesn't age as gracefully?

No? No, because I mean listen, you know when I was younger and people say, oh Jason Lee with the hair, Jasonally with the point to oh Jasu's cute, da da da. For years I was like imprisoned in this like objectification that I had to look at or be a certain way, when like I always thought I was a hustler, I was a finessor I was smart, I was you know what I mean, being being cute, having long hair, like that's what all that wears off. At some point we know that we see people well set for Barack Obama, he looks damn good I don't even know how he looks great and Michelle Obama, but you know, I mean I really think like for me, it's really about being healthier.

I stopped drinking three years ago. That's another thing that you.

Don't drink alcohol at all.

I'm not a bit, not a drop.

I stopped. I kicked it just like that. No alcohol. I don't smoke weed. I mean I do smoke hookah here and there, but like I don't do any drug have never done hard drugs, and so yeah, I mean for me now it's just like the best quality life that I could live because you.

Know, I got a lot of shit going on right now?

What made you want to get sober? I was reckless? Did you not see the Internet? I used to burn the Internet down all the time. That wasn't because the alcohol. I think the alcohol just gave me the permission to not really give a fuck, because I was like, I don't give a shit. But you know, I think for me, I gotten to a point where I was just becoming just personally reckless.

And then I was like, oh no, it's going the wrong direction.

And I was already in therapy, so I was talking to my therapists about you know, maybe I want to stop drinking. And he goes, well, why don't you go out and stop drinking, just drink, have one drink. Well, I'm not a one drink person. If I drink one drink, I'm want to go to sleep. So I got to drink at least two. Then two leads to five, then five leads to the bottles. And we were spending like fifty thousand dollars a month just going out drinking and partying and hanging out. So it became like, okay, I need to be more cost responsible, So I'm going to cut this cost all right, I don't need to drink, and now I need to drink to go out and have fun. Okay, so I want to go out. I want to learn how to have fun without liquor. So

when I first stopped drinking, I would go out, and I mean I was there for maybe five minutes. I would go home because now I'm like, no, I need to challenge myself to be able to go out and have a good time and actually have real interactions. I will tell you there was a defining moment that when I finally got sober, I started looking at everybody different, like why is this person right here? Why am I listening to this person? And why am I asking you for advice? And I really started just doing a full assessment of choices I had made, relationships I had developed, and really like, what's the trajectory of the life I want to have? And so I stopped drinking and really started focus on a more purpose driven life. And that's

what led me into poly and led me into like my nonprofit and the impact the wards getting as big as it is now and all the things.

The thing with you is this, and I and listen, I've said this to you personally and I even say it publicly in my podcast.

I am very proud of what you built.

Thank you, because I know what it's like to be the man of color, especially an obly gay man of color, to try to build something in Hollywood. And we'll get into a lot of the stuff you went through in this business. But before that, your childhood wasn't sweet. You know, you've been very open about molestation, You've been very open about trauma, dealing with abuse. Talk to me about who Jason Lee was as a kid that propelled you to where you are now.

Yeah, I mean as a foster kid, you know when your mom, you know, gives you away and then like you literally are being handed over to a woman you don't know to take you to a place you've never been, with people you don't have a clue who they are, and then like live in stranger care for five years.

You lose a sense of what your world is.

Because the world I had with my mom when she was sober, when she was working in law enforce meant like there's Christmases, there's Santa Claus, there's furniture, there's your own bedroom. And then now your bed is gone, Now your couch is gone, Now your TV's gone. So as you start to lose sense of like what normalcy is, and then you go into this world to come out of that and be thrust it back into what I call the jungle because kids were mean, the school system, public school system was crazy, Like the whole world was different than what I'd been accustomed.

I had to really like figure out survival.

So when I wrote my book, God must have forgotten about me, the first chapter was surviving Stockton, because those streets really gave me the grit, It gave me the ambition, it gave me the courage and it gave me the fearlessness that it takes to apply to any business, to your business, to dating, to losing weight whatever.

So I was.

I became one of those people that I knew I deserved more because I had just lost everything. I'm like, yo, there's no way God put me on this earth to not have a family, to not have a home, to not have money, to not have a job, to not have love, Like I'm worthy of it all. So then when I started going in pursuit of it all, I learned very quickly like, oh, whatever I want, whatever anybody wants, and it's not just means anybody watching you. Whoever, if you really want it bad enough, you will structure your life.

You will structure you finance, you will structure relationships, you will structure of time. You will become so disciplined in pursuit of it that you'll get it. Losing weight did that boom?

Lost it all? Okay?

You know, love, I ain't figure that one out yet. It's because all you fuck niggas out there, you know, running for office. I didn't just run for office for me. I found three other people and we all want together. So it's like, whatever I want, God, has showed me repeatedly that I can get it all if I really want it, But I got.

To do the work.

So you believe in the power of manifestation attraction. I believe in God most people that watch me and see me and all my antics. Because yeah, I have a day job. You know, you may go to taco bell, you may drive a bus, you may be a phlebotomist, you may be a teacher.

Maybe you're a producer. That's your job. You're great at what you do. I'm great at what I do. Turn this on.

I can literally walk in here straight out of prayer service, Thank you God. But I'm a burn this bitch down the hill, hey devil, because that's just what I do.

This the Internet.

I've learned the virality of content and the coin attached and the global audience that I could reach. I don't need a phone number. I can reach you right here. So I've learned that. I've learned now how to take it, own it, license it, still own it, then take that and relicnse it, repurpose it and make millions of dollars from it. Having a ged So I'm now showing people like, yeah, I didn't go to college. I didn't get a high school diploma. I got a ged which I don't even know where it is. But I'm still figuring it out and still in full control where I want to go and do it everything that I want to do. But that comes from my real belief in God. Like I know having watched my mother put a needle in her vein,

put heroin in her vein, pass out.

Eventually die from drug use.

I watched my brother at a bar at my going away party hug me and tell me he loves me, gets shot in the head and die. I've watched so many things happen, get shot at fifteen, I've seen it all happened to where I know in spite of all of that, God said, I got you, like you're gonna be good. You know, I wanna get too much because I'm thinking, like my therapist said, you should be dead in jail or on drugs. And I know the only reason I'm not because of God.

So I love God.

And I think when people meet me, they like they have an idea who I am for my job, but then when they get to know me, they're like, damn. He listened to God's with music he's you know, talking to Eline, to Adams, Kirk Franklin. These are his friends, and he chilling, but he really loves God and he's but I can't understand this other guy.

And that's more of an indictment that I think.

Right now, we're so focused on the clip of a person instead of the whole, complete person.

And I just show up and do what I need to do to get through today.

And I let people sit at home and be the armchair quarterback, armchair quarterback that they need to be to feel good about themselves.

Well, I'm fascinated about this because I'm like you. I'm a I'm a big believer in God and my entire life is because of him.

My lassing is all of that.

I work hard, but faith without works is dead. How do you reconcile though, because le's have real conversation. Yeah, you have been described as the messiest man in Hollywood.

People think you are the devil.

People have said about you, Jason Lee is the most dangerous man that has ever infiltrated this system.

The conductor of chaos.

You haven't called the conductor of everything. Yeah, But this is why I say to people to really and this is where I want people to hear. I'm whatever you want me to be. I'm whatever you think I am. Whatever makes people feel resolved in how they've assessed my whole life from a clip from a show, from a moment, whatever.

It's fine, But I take a step out of that and say, at what altitude do you to navigate? I don't hang in the gutters where low level, low vibration conversations happen. In fact, I don't even hear that anymore until I sit in an interview and somebody says what they're hearing from people. What I would say is if I'm grocery shopping with Rihanna, which y'all saw, or I'm at the White House, or I'm in a meeting to talk about how to help foster kids or to grant build grants, whatever, I'm not hearing those conversations. I hear people who talk to me because they either respect what I've built or respect my heart and the driving ambition that I have. If I'm talking to my staff that are like, Yo, no matter what has happened COVID, no disaster,

We've never lost the job, We've never lost the benefit, we never lost pay. We all got our raises, were all paid extremely well. They've been here since the beginning my brand. You know, it depends on who you're talking to. Now, if you're talking to Tamar Braxon, then she's going to have her opinion about me because of the fact that I woke up and realized that she was using me and built a relationship with Hollywood Unlock through Jason Lee and was trying to use my platform to attack Candy.

Once I realized the game, I was like, okay, cool, and then she felt what that looks like because I don't handle betrayal well and I show up as my truth authentic self and when you burn me, you know, chances are you're probably gonna get burned. Now, I will say, that's the same Tamar Braxon, though, who was my friend who hung out with me, who I put money in her pocket so she could feed her family, who put her on my platform, who brought around my show, I did stuff with her, you know, the same person.

I didn't switch up overnight.

But the one thing I won't do is allow anybody to use abuse or attack me and think that the Lord that I serve won't give them the blessing of a lesson not to do that to nobody else. So the thing is is, I'm friends with Tamar too, right, friends. Yeah, So when you let's define friend, cause in the industry, well in the industry, who would be like, that's my friend, that's a friend, that's my friend. I love the girls, I know, I know, I know a lot of people. Yes, friends, yes, now let me tell you friends like so, like I get accused of dropping Rihanna's name a lot and I just did it again. And the reason why and I told her this yes yesterday day before. I need people to understand, for real, beyond the music and the beauty

and the makeup and the they need to know at the core of who you are, every fiber and fabric of her body. She is the nicest, sweetest, most in tuned finger on the postal culture lovable friend that you can have. So when you have somebody like that, you want to keep them to yourself, but you want the world to know this is who she is. I want to just tell a real store. I have not told anybody what she did the other day and didn't ask her to do it. So we go film the grocery store thing. Right, did you see that of course, okay, So we film the grocery store thing. It's a cute little moment. D da da da if you look at that, how she's cool with the cancer lady had that moment, the fans, the store workers to put in the flowers,

her best friend Melissa and me and all the little thing. That's like, no production, that's just who she is. But it's when we went back to our house. My camera guy who is a thirty year old aspiring actor model but does filming stuff on the side, and he's working for me.

His name is Paul Toway. Talented.

You know, he's been in Hollywood for a while, and he's had friends who could have put him on and never put him in spaces because they want to keep him in a keep him in a corner. We go back to Rihanna's house. We're sitting there, we're chilling, and she's talking.

To me and we're in our thing.

But I'm like, yo, you got to learn his story because I want her to know the type of people I'm gonna bring around her and the type people I keep around me. He's from Africa. His mother and sister were murdered in the war there, and so she's a mother of three, and so he's telling her his story and she's asking questions, and she's like, she's really intensely trying to understand the trauma he's overcoming that, and she's pouring into him. And he's sitting there and I could feel having lost with my brother and mother, his emotion that he was holding back and her pouring into him.

And she came over and hugged him, and she changed his life just just just with my being exit. So like I drop her name, not because I want y'all already know that's my girl. I want y'all to know on a human level, why she's so fucking amazing. Anyway, I don't know where I was going with that. No, but you ask her which thinks friendship? No?

Oh, Deevin's frenchap.

You only got to do to one person, one thing before I know you're gonna try to do it to me. And now I'm at that level of awareness. Now now I love Tamar at some point, right, I saw what she did with Kashan. Why do you bring Kashan to open up at your show? It's Kashan? Come on, I love you, Ggjan, but come on, that led into what it led into and all the things. I think James w Reichanell lost the tooth or some shit or whatever.

But you saw this video the other day where she saw Candy at the Essence Fest and went over to Hugger and all that.

Candy ain't doing all that weird shit.

Candy know you was sitting mere seeing y'a autumn fell out. Why are you talking to her? You know? When I seen Candy at Carti's concert, I didn't put it on camera, but I went over and I said, hey, Bessie, and she was like, no, we not besties.

And I said, I know, and I owe you an apology and I need to reconcile with you.

And I had a private moment with Candy to re earn her relationship because we had a relationship before, and I said, I apologize that I was used to use my platform to throw you out there like that. And guess what, I will come on your show and let you check me and tell your audience whatever.

And then you come on my show and I'm a love on you.

And because I now have to rebuild in some areas where I have reckless and blindly trusted people to go in a certain way that hurt other people. You know, But but how's that her fault when you did it?

You know?

Well, because if you because if if she says that, if she calls me to say, hm, did you see candy? Go look at this, She's wear a fake designer. Go look look over there. Oh yeah, you know she ain't. She ain't got no money. You know you're talking to Hollywood unlocked.

You're in the wait. You're not You're not kekeying on the phone because I don't key keep. Do you call me? We ke keep our people. I don't key key with nobody.

You don't. I get get I get paid. I get paid. Hey Rihanna wild Card. Anybody will tell you we don't. We don't gossip about it because I get paid millions of dollars to do it.

I ain't doing it for free.

Don't call me on my phone when I'm trying to figure out how to get from two oh five to two hundred, how to find a nigga I want to go on a date with how I'm gonna create a policy for my community or raise millions of dollars to help kids. Please don't call me and take away from the time that's important to me. To talk to me about whether or not Candy went down to the slosson swat Man got her a fake Louis purse. I don't give a fuck about that unless she got money in it for Hollywood or not. I am a businessman. I am an entrepreneur. My product is the things that come out of here. But other than that, I saw you at lunch there for so else. We sat down and talked about business. We talked about money, we talked about

audience growth, we talked about culture, we talked about expansion. We did not talk about what The Girls is doing in this and that. So this is the thing I have had to learn that now that I have the gift of going viral and storytelling and all that, be very mindful of how you're talking to people and what conversations you're having.

I listen intently when people talk to me.

When somebody comes to me and says I love you, I say why, Oh, because you be reading The Girls. Okay, so now I know you love my content. You don't love me, got it, Jason, I'm so proud of you. Why.

I love what you're doing in Stockton and helping those kids Okay, you're paying attention. You see me.

When Rihanna and I talk, it's like, I'm so proud of you. She pours into me. Tiffany, last night, somebody says something to me and I thought they were playing.

She jumped up and checked them.

A celebrity or no, just a regular person saw me out and was a fan that wanted to come and check me on someone or not check me, but like say something like a criticism which I've never gotten, which I thought was kind of That's why I thought it was a joke, because I was like, oh, this is funny, you know, because it's never happened.

And I didn't have security last night.

And then Tiffany jumped up and Tiffany had it jumped up and was checking them like what, And I was like, sit down because I know when now when people are talking to Jason or.

They're talking to Jason Lee from Hollywood or not.

And that was a hard lesson to learn, because whether I'm talking whoever i'm talking to, I just I'm just Jason. I'm always just Jason until it's time to work or you're doing something and I got a clap back or somebody. It's but that's work like it's but usually I think, you know, I'm just Jason, So yeah, this is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.

We work in Hollywood, and Hollywood is very pretential and all this, all, all of that, all of that. When it comes to Tamar specifically, I will say, my experience has been different than others. And the reason why I will say she's a friend to me is because there's conversations that we have that's on some like spiritual personal stuff.

And it's funny because she and I were talking maybe last week, and what she said to me was I love that you always tell me if I did something wrong, that if I did something wrong, she knows the call and be like was I wrong? And I'll say to her like yes, or I'll say to her in this case, no, it all depends, right.

So I do agree with you though.

The reason why I wanted to bring that up is because that Tamar that I know, for example, and it's just me and you have your own experience. Yeah, I too have a microphone. She's never said anything to me that I felt she wanted me to say on my program. When it comes to your friendship with Rihanna? What is so fascinating about it?

To the world?

Right?

Do they really care?

Oh?

And I'm sure you saw this, so you know I'm a lying to you. People are like, Jason, what do you have on Rihanna so that that she is friends with you? Are you blackmailing Rihanna? Is Rihanna feeding you stories? Right? They there's people who don't get it. They don't understand how this pop star, this international billionaire, icon, legend, all the things it is, friends with the likes these are their words. Messy asked Jason Lee, How did that friendship form?

And how did that even come about?

So let me say this, So the Weekend is a friend billionaire Robert F.

Smith from Vista Capital, the second richest black man in the country. Friend Tyler Perry, friend Rihanna friend. These are not the only billionaires I know. I'm not her friend because she's a billionaire. I'm not a friend because she's a pop star. I'm not a friend because she's a makeup icon. In fact, I had to argue a black girl down who's pushing Selena Gomez. I'm like, girl, if you ain't talking about Pat McGrath, you ain't talking about Rihanna.

Police don't talk to me because you are too black to be talking about a white girl's makeup product. But anyanwy, welcome back to that. I am friends with Rihanna because I just love her. I love what she represents. I love her story, her come up story. I love asat Rocky. I was friends with him before her, and I love their love story, and I love their family. I love that they've embraced me, and I love more importantly that she sees me as a human being. She always has since day one. She's never asked me to do nothing.

She never asked me for nothing. When she sees my team on the carpet, she pours into those black journalists. She talks about the importance of supporting black journalists. When her baby pictures were getting ready to get leaked on TMZ, she dropped them on Hollywood Unlock to put us right out there.

She didn't have to do that. I was in Dubai on vacation. She called me to do it, and she said, and Rocky thought about it, and we want you to have it.

So when somebody can treat me and see me as a human being and sees the total worth of who I am, not the not the byelines, because the byelines are the b side of it all. Is like, that's all entertainment, you know, I asked people sometimes go look in the mirror.

Is the is the train wreck? The problem? Is the conductor of the train the problem or.

The audience standing by waiting and hoping that train continues to wrect because it's highly entertaining. We're all a part of this ecosystem of chaos.

You know.

You wouldn't have this show if it wouldn't go viral, and you wouldn't be promoting the billions and billions of views, which is mostly on people spilling tea. So like, we're all a part of this ecosystem. I think this bitch has got a problem that I'm at the top of.

That motherfucker.

Wendy wasn't handing the fucking throne to everybody. She was handing it to me. Wendy was preparing me to take her seat, because that's the seat I thought I wanted. We built a relationship. We spend lots of personal time together. I just talked to two days ago. Oh is she she's good? She still looks fabulous. By the way, it looks better than she ever has. But I mean, I feel like she was preparing me because that's what I thought I wanted to go into talk TV talk.

I thought I did. Now I was meeting with Fox and all.

The people, like I really want to and they were like, nah, you already dominating and the digital stay over there, we coming over there. I'm like, no, no, no, no, because that's what I thought I wanted, and Wendy was preparing me for it. But that goes back to God. God has never given me nothing that would get in the way of the destination that He's built for me. Like the crown I wear and the throne I sit on ain't one that's competing with nobody, ain't one.

And somebody gave me. I built Hollywood.

Unlocked from zero dollars in Instagram to a fifty million dollar company that's competing with major news networks because of hard work, God given vision and talent and an audience that shows up for me even if I take a break and go run for office. So I'm not really worried about why people people say, do I have one?

Let me just go through this now, do I have anything on? Rihanna no, nothing but love. I do have her Colonne on from from time to time. Do we sell stories or share stories?

No, we don't.

We don't spend our personal time talking about people. And in fact, she knows I'm in the middle of this big business deal right now. And the last thing she's asking about I was like, are you there yet?

Are you almost there?

Like you need help da da da. So it's really about like just mutual support and love. I mean, she loves me and I love her, And I think people can't wrestle with the idea that people would like somebody who's who does what I do. People think people don't love Wendy. I love Wendy Williams, you know, I mean people would think that. You know, people hate Andy Cohen.

I respect the shit out of Andy con people who are doing what we're doing. You know, different people have different I guess I don't know narratives about them. But I don't really consume myself with what the opinions of others, because you know, they all pay me. Either way good or bad, You're still pay me. You did talk about you building building this in pyr Brick by brick.

I want you to.

Say this in your own words in terms of this assumption that the way you got into Hollywood was courtesy.

When we who said I was a messy bitch because they ain't send it to my face. And I bet you this, you ain't gonna say their name, because I'm gonna tell you right now, any messy bitch out there they got something to say about me, I guarantee you'll never say it in public, because one thing about me, I am the recip king. You may be Carlos King, bitch, but I'm the receiver King. And I'm gonna tell you right now, I wish a bitch would ever find the day, the hour, or the night. It could be a holiday, it could be on the sabbath. I want you to sit down and say to me, Jason Lee, you're a mess becuz of ex And I'm gonna tell you what the exercise you're gonna see. I'm gonna take a bitch on a trip. Let me get comfortable. I'm gonna take

them on a trip. Let's talk about that time you were homeless and was sucking dick by that married man to get your little coins to pay for your dog, to get some food.

I'm not saying anybody in particular.

I'm just saying anybody, let's talk about that how she was living in the back and you couldn't pay no bills in your Corroda bathtub.

I ain't saying no names. I'm just saying, could be anybody.

Let's talk about the drugs and the nights of alcohol when you were slipping out the club and couldn't carry yourself home, so I had to carry you home. Talk about all the mess. See the mess that I do is I put it right out there in your face. I'm gonna let you see fat, sloppy Jason with horizontal striped shirts having no business wearing those shirts like that from fashion over for six dollars in Dominican Republic, living his best beings in rightce lifey, I'm gonna show you that nigga. I'm gonna show you the drunk ass nigga in set in Mexico with a sombrero on telling Safari he got a nice dick while he's live for beet and then y'all talking about my hero. And I'm gonna show you all that. I put my mess out there.

Why because it makes me millions of dollars. But I'm also going to show you the guy who goes and builds the thing for kids, and goes and helps and leads kids on financial literacy, and runs for office and changes policy and makes his community.

I'm all of that.

But I dare you, I'll give you one hundred thousand dollars you find somebody that will have the courage, that has history with me that I know about, that will sit on a camera in front of the world and tell me I'm a mess, and bitch, just keep that camera. You see all these lights on these cameras, you keep themar they'k gonna do it. Hey, part of the record.

And you know I don't lie to you, bitch. No celebrity ever talked shit about you to me.

So is it the punks? No?

No, no, No.

What audience we talk about When I say people say you're message, it's on social media?

Online people social media?

Yeah, oh, ain't nobody read come on that the thing.

But I will say this the reason why I think the world real shit. You are this this fascinating character to people. Yeah, yes, but you but you know you are. You lean into when you saw what you just got right, there was the character like I'm gonna go back to being Jason. That that guy, y'all need to leave him alone because he really has taken a break.

The guy that you just saw right now that did the all of that. See, that's that's easy to do.

But that low vibrational energy that I've stayed in for years as I was building this company, brick by brick that made me all the mans, they gave me the pluffer.

That ain't where I'm at anymore. I don't want to be there no more. I really don't. I don't want to. You don't see me going viral like that anymore.

Really sees people are gonna take those clips and they're gonna start tagging people. He talking about you, He talking about you, He talked, Oh they are. I wasn't literally wasn't talking about anybody. I wasn't talking about anybody I saw. No, I really swear to god, I wasn't.

All of us examples were just me just being messy and doing what It was not about one person.

No, no, no, no, not about one person, not about anybody.

It literally wasn't. There was no body in my mind as I was saying that was that was me saying things to get them going. But what people will say is I'll see there go. Yeah, that is what I used to do to feed you low vibrational niggas content. But that content is not what I'm about anymore. I'm I've created the Impact Awards. It's a stage that I've built to honor some of the most amazing people for their impact on culture.

I am not in all that no more.

And so so, Yeah, while I was that, and I was a part of that, and I could understand why people would say, oh yeah, it was messy. Yeah I did.

I did all that, but I was a part of that ecosystem where all that.

When Andy Cohen is sitting up there with the girls and he has his little que cars and he's you do the same shit too, because y'all both two pieces of a pod. Baby, this is just the black one, he the white one. But y'all both like the same color niggas too. Let's talk that. Because Andy Kinge stopped chasing them brown boys. I think he's in a relationship now.

But anyway, I saw them he white. Hey Andy, anyway, y'all stand up there with them cars. Y'all sit them cars. You you all know what you're doing, getting the girls going. You just sit back and you just you just you throw the corn meal on the ground and let the chickens fight for you. And the guy behind the camera's fucking laughing why because he knows. Oh, they throw the corn meal out and you chicken heads just killing cluck cluck, cluck cluck for these guys, and you know what, they sit back and go. I can't believe it. They are really the mess you guys are.

It's just your it's just.

Your deliveries, not like no what you're segments. Why I haven't interjected.

I actually agree with you that we're all a part of this ecosystem that breeds mess in very different ways.

I think that you're just a conductor of a different looking train.

You may be Amtrak, I may be the thing with the loud caboos, because it's just the delivery. It's the train that's going down the tracks. One of them gonna be loud and radley, and one of them gonna coast and set and have the solar system were on. We're both conductors. It's just I want to destroy the Internet.

I want to burn it down. I want to I want to cause volcanic eruptions. I want to say I'm that Kanye of the shit. I love it because if you're gonna do it, I'm gonna shoot you right in your face. I ain't gonna stab you in your back. I'm a different type of person. I'm not gonna shoot you or Savery, you know what I mean. Because there's people that do slick shit for chaos and there's people that just do it. And the type of person I was, I would just do it. But that energy comes with a cost. It comes with a it comes with a security cost, It comes with a guy to know who out their cause, gotta know where you're going costs.

I know, I don't want to live in that no more. So now I'm doing you know, I switch it up a little bit, you know.

But this is the thing that I always tell people, and I'm glad.

I'm really happy that you are so honest about it, because when I look at Wendy, I look at Charlotte Maine, I look at people who did start their career being messy and really going going far in terms of talking about celebrities for virality and saying the things that we say at home.

But you guys were brave enough to say it.

Yes, but you look at Charlie Maine, who was similar to what you were in the beginning, and he has definitely transitioned out of that being more You know, I was spoken about politics and other things. What I always wanted to ask you is, and I tell the young generation who want to be you, I want to be me.

You're if you're messy for the sake of being messy, it doesn't feel good the moment the cameras are off, and like you said, you have to go home with yourself. Talk to me about that, Jason Lee. Like, listen, you made millions of dollars talking about so many people, and some may say exposing them.

Right, No, no, well, no, no, no, no, I gotta I stay in control of my narrative all times. I don't expose people. No, there's no what do you call it, There's no exposing if I interview. Let's back up when when I broke the story around the whole Jordan Woods and Tristan thing years ago, and this is so many years ago we shouldn't even be talking about it. But I'll just use that example. That wasn't exposing that he was they were cheating. That was an information I got confirmed with Chloe and then ran it with her support, and it went what it was. It was never a surprise to her because she knew about it and she went and comment on it, which is what made it so vir What did Jordan know about it? Off, Well,

her and Chloe had the conversation, so that was her know about it. I'm not a publicist. My job's not to get on the phone to make sure you know everything about everything you already know.

My job is to find out what I know, but not anymore. Me and my team.

Obviously they find out what they find out and they put out the news. But let me ask you a question, why are we not saying CNN is messy? They're spilling the tea on Trump, hold on Andy Cohen, white Man. He got all these women up here, women fighting all over the globe for a coin, spilling each other business.

One girl on Utah or whatever. She went to prison for this one. This one flipped over the table.

This is needy. Don't know if she got a job anymore.

All this chaos of mess every single industry, every single person do it. Wendy's goes online and shades McDonald's. When Ice Spice gets hitting McDonald's. That's shade. That's mess, but it's marketing. It's amazing. Everybody got mess. You can't be mad at me for making millions out of it, or you can, but it doesn't matter because it doesn't change that.

It doesn't change my schedule, it doesn't change anything.

I think the brilliance of being able to learn how to dominate a space with no marketing budget, with no corporate backing, no corporate funding, just millions of dollars from scratch building it. Yeah, i'd be mad at that too. Why I'm competing with all the big boys. Everybody's doing it, and so I don't look at it as mess. You said a word a minute ago that I would say.

It takes a lot of courage. It takes all a lot of courage to have an opinion about something. Because when Charlottatne coined me a culture critic, that's really really what you are.

You have an opinion about everything. You know.

I don't expose, but I do have an opinion. When you have an opinion, and it's hard to be popular when you have an opinion. And I think about a call I got from somebody in corporate America that said you would be so much more successful if you just didn't have an opinion.

I was like, who would I be?

Who would I be if I just showed up, asked you questions but didn't have an opinion about what you said.

I couldn't do that.

Even The biggest thing for you that the world wants to know is when you built your career off of that. Did you feel good at the end of the day when you felt like things may have went too far?

My thread count is very high.

I feel good in every home I'm in, on every first class flight I take, on every shopping spree I've gone on, on every meal I've had, on every bill that I don't ever have to examine because they're always paid and on time. I feel very fine about everything that I do, and I will never be guilted based on my success, based on my level of the competition that I tend to be on, which is at the top.

I don't find myself competing with people's desire for me to sulk in my success.

I don't. I'm fine.

I got here, Okay, I'm gonna leave here, okay. I think what people have to understand is, let's unpack it a little bit. When I got on Love and Hip Hop, they wanted me to be the gay MESSI blogger in a relationship. I said, I'm not gonna give you the relationship, but I'll go ahead and be the gay MESSI blocker.

Not a problem.

I'm gonna make everybody's business my business. And that's when I developed a Jason Lee character and I went in that show and my goal, as I said earlier, my God given talent is to be in pursuit of something. No matter what it is, I'm gonna get it. My goal was to dominate the screen time every time they put the camera on me. So every time the person over here behind the camera switches this red to this red to this red, just like you did the camera number two, it was on camera number four. When that camera light is on and you produce TV, you know, my job, like Nini's job, like every star of every show, is to dominate the camera time.

That's what I did.

So my first season I had three episodes, but it was the most three viral episodes to where the next season I got ten episodes, and then the next after I left there on my own and went to Wild Out for five seasons, I came back fourteen episodes. So I learned how to dominate my time on a camera. But what I learned really was what does final cut approval look like?

You know what that is?

Who has the final say in what it looks like? So if you have a storyboard, Jason's the game MESSI blocker. Every scene he's in has to be something that drives drama.

Right.

So when they reintroduced me on season two eleven Hip Hop, it was troubles Back. So if you say to the audience of six million people every week, troubles back, what the fuck they gonna say? Here comes trouble, right, So anytime I walk in a road, here comes trouble. People don't even realize how the media is controlling the minds of the people, how the consumer brands that advertise these shows drive what they're able to put out to audiences.

How many reality shows do you see it? And you was in Atlanta Housewives. All the gay men gotta have heels, bags, makeup, purses, They gotta be girl girl, girl, girl girl. That ain't all of us gay men. Black gay men are not a monolith. We are not a side show. We are not an ornament. We are not an accessory. So for me, it was like Noah loveing hip hop. I'm tired of being this accessory. I'm tired of being this ornament. I'm tired of being in scenes. I had to tell them, why am I in every scene with a girl when I don't even hang with girls like that? All my friends are straight men or game men. Why am I in every scene is a girl? What? I don't want to keep key and do nails and girl? Yo, men, that is not my world, But that's the world they

can't put him in because that's the image that they want of a gay black man to the audience.

So you know what, I said, fuck y'all, And I went right over to wild'n Out with all them.

Niggas, Carlos Miller and DC, Young Fly and Nick and Conceited and all the guys shout out to all of y'all, And then I did all my gay jokes with straight men because I wanted to show black people that black people can in the culture, can be friends with a gay dude, have fun jokes with a gay dude, not be threatened by a gay dude. So I now I start using my platform responsibly because I wanted to show in this cultural iconic brand wild'n out what a gay black man looks like and can coexist with his friends, and all my jokes were centered in my community in a way that I thought was funny. So I started learning the power of how to use this. That's why now my show, every show I do and own, I have ownership and I have final cut approval. Even when

we talk this weekend about a show, I'm like, I ain't gonna show up as talent. We can co produce, code, develop whatever, but I'm definitely going to be in the editing room. I'm definitely gonna have notes. So I definitely have to have control over my image because I've given it away. And for years I was typecast as a person that this is who they wanted, and I felt the guilt of only being able to show up as that person because that's the person.

That the audience fell in love with.

Now I'm like, look, I'm gonna show up and be me and if you love it, great, and if you don't, I don't care. Only one time I can think of, and I've talked about it recently, not too long ago, that like, as I started evolving and sober and therapy and all that. That was the Jennifer Hudson comment that I made. I was like, you know what, she didn't deserve that. She's been through a lot in life. I actually like her and I'm a fan of hers, and that was kind of fucked up. So I'm gonna own that shit and fix it. But I didn't just fix it online. I fixed it with her, you know, went to her and her people because I started understanding like, I'm not going to battle anymore showing up to be this viral sensation for the audience that loves me.

I'm gonna just be Jason.

And my audience has done exactly what queenly Tifa told me, get him in a choke hold and take them on a trip with you. And now you know, my audience has following me wherever I go. So you know, the haters, they haters are literally a stepping stearl of greatness.

You got to have them.

If you don't have a hater somewhere, you ain't gonna be nobody.

Oh and that means that means you're not challenging the audience to feel something, whether it's through music or through art or through the podcast.

Whatever. So I do agree with that. You really do have a lot of friends in this industry, right.

How are you able to foster these relationships with people and still do your job at the same time, Like, do you just like go up to people say Hi, I'm Jason Lee.

Are they sort of like stands office at first? Okay, So Hollywood Unlocked and this is why I when I built my relationship with Kevin Hart, I told him, you know, Hollywood Unlocked has a relationship with all of you.

Like, if you choose not to participate, that's on you.

Like les think about it like you're in a relationship with your girlfriend or your boyfriend, but you don't talk to him. They're still your boyfriend or your girlfriend til you break up. And then if you have a breakup, it could be a really nasty one or it can be just a friendly walk away, but you'll always have a relationship with your ex.

Hollywood Unlocked.

Every single celebrity out there watching should have a direct relationship with Hollywood Locked. Not your publicist, not your manager, not your agent, not your you, because you're the one that can slide in our DM or call somebody and get something changed like that, or put something out, not your publicists who got to go through a whole system and then we got to go back and forth, and we don't even do that. Every publier out there knows your jobs are on the line because we don't even work with ch'all like that. There's some of you that demanded Silverman's of the world, those who are respectful like and that work with us and that our bosses and get it.

They cool.

I think that with Hollywood Unlocked, I'm not even over there, Like, I don't even know what my team has posted today at all. I haven't seen one post because I don't go over there at all unless I have to want to ad.

I just want to.

I'm in a car, I want to scroll and see what's going on, or I'm in the group chat when there's things that are popping where all the writers are talking and all that, so I can see it all.

But I'm out building deals.

I literally just left a meeting with a major brand about millions of dollars support to bring my programs to life. You know, when I leave here, I'm getting ready to go do an amazing interview with somebody. But I'll use last night as an example. So Tiffany and I had. We went to Kevin Durant's party and I walked in, and I mean I walk in. It's like Lebron James is right there, Meet Mills right there. Okay, you know every athlete is in the room. And you know, I don't know what the stories have been written about them on Hollywood on lot because I don't approve them. More, I don't write them. I don't write any stories. I've never written a story that I can recall on Hollywood Unock.

I approve or I review or I weigh in if I need to, But like, I don't even know what they be writing like that. But I see Meek Mill and I go over to him. I've been wanting to interview Meek Mill because I find him fascinating, but not just the viral moments and the Nicki minajs and all that, but like, I love that what he's doing to do prison reform. I love that he's getting people out of jail.

I love that he partnered with Michael Rubin and they're looking at changing legislation. I like the fact that his album When I Go In a Club has inspired communities and in culture all over the world. That that time is music. The time his song comes on, the club goes crazy. That shows his cultural influence and relevance. So I want to be able to interview him, to show him his flowers. So let's not I say, yo me, when am I going to get an interview? He was like, you know, I don't talk like that. I don't sit down and do interviews because if no matter what question I'm asked, you liable to get the rualist answer in the world.

Those are the interviews that I want to have.

But I do realize, like there's some people like you know, Lebrono wave, but he ain't gonna come down there and talk to me, you know, and that's fine. Or you know who else last I talked to I was with Surge last night. I Vodka, who's like my brother. I mean, you know, there's certain people who love me and see me and embrace me, and then there's people who stay away and wave. But regardless of the interaction relationship, every single person has a relationship with Hollywood a lot.

Have you ever had a celebrity check you to your face about something you or your website.

Check me to my face? Maybe on the phone, a call here, or there. You know Tanna Taylor, she was there last night. I've known Tanna since she was a young girl. She called me one time. She's somebody who I will say, no matter where she is or what's going on or who's there, she's gonna tell you what she thinks, which I respect. We have a relationship where she did not like something that one of my writers did and felt like they shouldn't have done it based on our personal relationship, which I could understand her point of view, And even though I explained to her my thoughts on it and we didn't agree on it, she was very passionate about it. One time, I think we were at the Super Bowl at a party and she,

you know, she was going off about it, and we had a very heated conversation, but it was out of love, you know, Like I love that girl, and I've watched her. I've watched her like grow in a space that people doubted her and told her she wasn't worthy and wasn't good enough.

And now I just watched her.

I was sitting in the lines of BT wards when jan Jackson's giving her Awards's Golden Glow Winter me She's literally doing what God wanted her to do, and she took the time to get there. So her passion when she was letting me have it wasn't because she was mad. It's because, like, I'm fighting for my fucking dream and I feel like your team has been unfair to me.

And I was able to digest that without taking it personal, like I don't hate you, I'm like I hear she's going through real shit and trying to navigate an industry that has not seen her, and she feels a way by this post, which I don't agree, disagree with the post, but I get what she's saying. So, yeah, you know, there's those moments I've been at the White House where I've run into somebody. It's like, h we at the White House. Once you in there, you can't just leave.

It ain't like I'm gonna go on the patio like you sip an eggnog next to the president. You gotta sit there and sit your eggnog, no matter how uncomfortable is. You just can't let the Secret Service though that there's beef in the room, you know. So it's one of those things where like, yeah, I've been around people who are mad, but like checking me, I mean, unless you're gonna kill me and you're gonna let me leave and get to a microphone.

You don't want to do that.

That's not an experience that anybody wants to have, and I don't want to have that experience. So old Jason probably has some conflict and we get in the room. It's uncomfortable, but not checking. We're I'm forty eight years old. I can't be checked. Is that the reason why you feel they need to have security be with you when you go on. No, security is to protect other people too.

I don't want a lawsuit. You know, when you can start making money, you start making millions at dollars. People you get in situations where people sue you. I have security is insurance. Their number one instruction for me is I get home every day. So if that means you gotta kill somebody, fight somebody, restrain somebody, we gotta run whatever we gotta to do for whatever reason, or you got to keep people away, that's your job. When I go out, I get a table, not because I want to be popping in the club. That's just my safe space to invite the people that I want around me to have a good time and socializing, Hey, how you doing, and da da da dah. But I don't like I don't like people all up on me. I'm not even

like a touch me type person, So I don't like to be hugged. I don't like none of that. And my security make sure that wherever I go, I'm comfortable.

But I don't have today. I don't have security.

But you know, I go from car to building, building a car, building a car, shopped car like I don't, you know, but yeah, I don't. But I don't even have beef like that. So my security is more just keep me out of lawsuits. I don't want a lawsuits.

You would you, and it is your business? Would you classify yourself in terms of your net worth being in the multi million.

I don't talk about money, and I'm gonna tell you who told me why I try not to talk about money. I'll talk about the evaluation of my company here. And they're lightly robbing from Butler alert a long time ago. I love her by the way I love Robin. She's so low key, low key, and that's the thing she told me. Hold On, she told me a long time.

I'm gonna go. He says, she's low keep it before I even said it. Don't talk about your money. Keep the ys out your business. I said, okay, cool, and don't. I don't talk. You know, you can go and say, oh my god, that car. So I recently I just bought a met back the other day. They're like, oh my god, he about three hundred thosand dollar car. Is that how much it cost? I ain't.

I ain't.

He still ain't seen the sticker. I don't know how much of cost? Is that what it costs?

Are you go with it? Okay? Oh he got this really?

Oh?

Oh wait, these are your houses? And then I need space to store closed. I don't know nothing. I don't talk about money because I don't want no problems at all. What's the evaluation of your company right now?

Fifty million?

Do you plan on ever selling it?

Oh? Yeah, this is a bill to sell business.

But right now I'm in the right now, I'm acquiring other businesses because I want to get My goal is to get to a billion dollars. I'm gonna drop another name, Tyler Perry. I ain't just friends with How did that relationship come about? That is? Okay? No shake to you?

Are they gagging at that?

One. I'm gagging at that one only because I know him too.

Okay, and listen, it's nothing. Did you tell Tyler that you know me?

I never know?

Okay, but do you know him like on a texting basis? Yes? Okay?

And can we say for the record, yes, which is why fuck all you people clean, y'all busy?

He's an icon, don't play. Will you text him immediately immediately, Tyler? Tyler checked me yesterday. Now that he checked me, what did you do? So? I haven't had a bad week in the sense of I want to go and run in traffic and get run over. But I've had a I've had a stressful week because I am the vice mayor of the tenth largest city in California, the second most dangerous city in California, with seven of them homicides this last week. A person I know yesterday was stabb five times. The day before that, one of our piece workers was shot. It is a very challenging responsibility where we're working on homelessness, youth programs, you know, my my community food desert, you know, housing affordability. There's like real issues.

So there's like all the weight of that on my mind full time. Every day, all day long, even as I say here coming into this meeting.

So there's that. Then there's Hollywood O Mott, there's a whole team.

There's all the millions we have to make and the programs they have to stay on, and our partnerships with Meta and then Tiktoks and making sure our social stay up and our advertising partners are happy, and coaching my team. And today I had to go through a whole due diligence exercise for an hour and a half about this other acquisition and then managing that cap stack with all the millions I got to raise for their.

Because it's a twenty million dollar deal. Then I'm come do this show.

Just left a brand at soul House to get money. You got to leave here, go straight to my hotel, change, then go do an interview. Then I got to figure out how to rest and get my mind right to fly back to a public safety meeting in Stockton. So like I had a week where I was like I am so underwater with life. I don't have real personal time.

I haven't really eaten I you know, like I just haven't had a rough week. And Tyler texts me because he's very attentive to everybody, and I don't know how he spends his time with everybody, but you know, he makes you feel like he's only checking on you and he's like, how are you? And I was like, I'm having a fucking crazy as day. But I in my mindset, I'm intentionally not going to talk to Tyler. I'm going to tell this this time, I'm gonna talk to Carti.

I'm gonna call Carty and I'm gonna lean in on Carti. I'm gonna use Carti as my person because I can share things with her that I can't share with nobody else. I could share things with Tyler or Rihanna that I can't share with nobody. So there's very few people that I can call and just like put it all on the table, right, my nigga act.

Right.

I'm still single technically, by the way, but anyway, we'll get to that later mingling.

Okay.

So I said to myself, I'm intentionally not going to put this on Tyler Perry because too many people dump their stuff on him, and he's so woven into helping everybody that I'm not going to put this burden on him. But he happened to text me as I was in the middle of something like stressing over something. I said, I am having a horrible day. I need to call you later. He said, okay, please don't forget to call me. Well, I had a horrible day. I forgot to call because I was like in my thing, and so I ended up calling Carti and you know, she you know, but she was somewhere where I was like I couldn't even get it all out because it was so much, and she was around people that she was like, is everything okay.

I'm like it is, but isn't but da.

Da da, And so she she was like, it's mercury retrograde. Just like just she's such a libra. It's like, take a deep breath, just it's gonna be okay.

You've overcome everything. Da Da Da da.

So she's being that friend. So I forget to call Tyler back. I go to bed because I literally pass out because I'm so exhausted. Tyler calls me and says, hey, are you okay. I say, I'm okay, I haven't forgot to call you.

I'm d d DA.

I'm gonna call you back. I'm in a meeting da da, And she said, okay, Well, I forgot to call it back. Later he texted me and said, I genuinely called to check on you. I genuinely called because I care. I genuinely want to make sure that you're good. And I know you have a problem accepting help and accepting love from people. But I don't take my support for granted and I don't want you to either, And I was like damn. But then and it was also like damn, Tyler Perry cares enough about me to make sure I'm okay.

That's why I like him. That that's how we built our relationship. And when I first met him, and I sat in his house and he sat across from me, and we were kind of figuring out how to start the conversation because Making Good introduced to us, by the way, because I wanted to honor them at my award show.

And he said, y'all to just me and him, well and.

His staff, of course, So fucking rich motherfucker. You were intimidated, but you're tas leader. Sorry. I wasn't intimidated, but I was in awe of a person who I watched go from homelessness to Medea plays to shows to movies, to Tyler Perry Studios where we did Wilding Out, you know, and all the things. So like I was like, I am a this is an icon that's in it for me.

I do think that.

But I wasn't intimidating, no, And but I remember sitting there were kind of looking at each other and I said, okay, So I started telling them all the good stuff, and I said, here's all the other stuff, because I want you to know exactly who the fuck is in your house, and I want you to know exactly who the fuck you're connected to. And he said, I said, so if you talk to this person, they're going to say this.

If you talk to this person, they're gonna say And Tyler looked at me said I don't give a shit with nobody, said, I build my own relationships.

I said. We locked in. Boom.

Then I got to I was going to Atlanta. I said, hey, Nigga, because that's how we tell nigga. I needed you to come with me to Cardi b concert. He was like, I'm there.

Boom.

He pops outside. We go to his house the next day. We have a little moment there all of us watching TV, watching a movie, and you know, he has a spread laid out in this big old mansion, and he said, well, you're about to go, said we got to go to Cardi b Come on, get dressed. He got dressed once day two, like we outside, So it's like then I'm like, oh, I'm going to this brush for Catherine Brute and I need you to pull up. He pulls up at the brunch, So Tyler, I got Tyler Perry outside, which you know he don't go outside like that. So for me, it's like I'm building a relationship with somebody that I like.

I told him, I want to be where you at and I want you to guide me to get there. Because the fifty million cool, but I want to get to the fifty billion. How I get there because you on your way out? Because you He's said his life, I want to be there so I have the resources to do more for my community. And what I love about Tyler is he ain't no gaykeeper. He's like, let me show you, let me help you, let me go.

So so when I finally called him back to Vent, it was less about here's all the things I'm going through dumping to like, here's what I'm trying to figure out.

I have this going on. I have this going on. I have this going on, and.

I'm trying to get here, but I'm feeling way down by it. And so he just kind of talked me through how to like methodically think through it all. And I was like, yo, I want to just be able to call on you to do that, because that exercise alone lifted me to where I could be here today and be like, Okay, I'm good.

Like it's all that chaos is still going on, but it'll work itself out.

Well.

It's interesting how you look at Taler Perry as somebody like, Okay, I see what you're doing, and I'm want to go there and kind of like show me the way. You do realize there's people who are watching that look at you like you're the Taler Perry of digital and you do realize.

He told me that. So he but Nobo, but I don't see. But this is the problem that Tyler checked me.

It's another thing. You got to get you friends who help you see who you are. You've said something similar to Tyler came to my words.

Ship. We honored him. We did the whole thing, and I mean, we curate that thing. And you have to come June fourth next year. Whatever.

Yes, he sent me this long message. He said, I hope you accept this in a positive way. But little Jason, don't let Jason be who Jason like who I saw in that room, the room that you curated, the power, the da da da da da. But he because you know, we all have to a certain degree imposter syndrome. When I saw Viola Davis talk about, I'm like, oh, she's a nut because she's queen.

That's we all got it.

We all walk in rooms and were like, damn, I'm really in here. I hope I don't get kicked out or you know, because we do walk in sometimes with the noise of what people say we are or can't be, or limitations or ceilings or da da da or restriction.

We walk in with that Tyler.

The way he poured into me with how he saw me made me go back because I'm never gonna leave with the ego like I can turn up the ego for content, like I'm an ego, Like I feel like you're the same way. Our ego is a creative ego, like we'll be creatively ego about how we design what it looked like, how it hits, da da da, all the things editing and all that, But like when it comes to like me getting out the car right now, the woman's like, oh my god, Jason Lee, you are so beautiful. I was like, girl, you have a good day.

I'm not gonna sit there and go I am that nigga. I am like, because the same way God gave it to you, he will take it away if you ain't staying in the work and if you ain't staying in full gratitude of.

It on humble.

But for Tyler Perry to tell me what he told me personally about how he saw me made me go back and tell my therapist like, you know, I need to walk in the room with a little bit more confidence now, not cockiness, but a little bit more confidence about what I'm capable of doing. When I left that brand right now at SOHO House and they asked me, what would you like, I told him exactly what I want, the millions that I want, what I'm gonna do for it, how I want to do it. While I was sitting outside that meeting at so I was on a conference call with somebody in Marbella, Spain, telling them the millions I wanted it from his company.

To do something.

But I but I walk with a little bit more confidence now comes from a Tyler Perry. Now in exchange for that, here's what I've told. Tyler. You are the bridge between Oprah and Shaderom, Oprah and Hollywood and Lot, Oprah and Jasonly. You're the bridge because you are still on the ground and Oprah is up there.

She up there. Well, Gail just went to the moon, right you day up there.

Gail's a little closer to the floor. But Oprah is an icon in what we do. She paved the way. Hers and the wind they paved the way.

But we need you to let us poor love into you too. We need you to bring your resource to us.

Own should be in partnership with Carlos King own you probably are owned, should be in partnership with Hollywood and Lot. There should be this organic relationship of information and resource sharing that should happen without asking, because we represent because she represents us, and we represent her, and so her legacy is only going to be defined by how she creates that threat. But I said, Tyler, you're the link in between that. Now the other thing is now that I have this relationship sit with Tyler perr YEA ain't gonna fuck with him e then, because he not the type of person to go on social media and check you and da da da da da. And I think it's easy for people to just dump on anybody they

know it's not going to fight back. And I'm like, well, you know, all of us have to hold each other down. Because even having this conversation shed another light and another layer to Tyler helps the audience go, wow, Tyler really is that nigga? Like he really is?

It really is?

No, I echo everything or saying he And that's why when I said, I was shocked and I said, to you, it has nothing to do with you. It's more so he is so protective of just his world that I got to know him about working with him, and it took like a year or two to really get to know him better because he definitely like tests you out a little bit just to make sure you're.

A good person.

He didn't do that with me. We went right into it. Not with me, oh like head first, like right into it.

But I think it's because when I said, when I met with him, I told him, here's all the good, but here's also all the stuff you're gonna hear, it's impressive. Had to because if he goes over to the Kardashians who he's friends with and says, oh my god, I was just with Jason Lee Chris Jenner, who've known for two thousand and two thousand and ten, that relationship has been up and down, she may say, oh my god, because that may be her point of view. But if she goes over here to this person or whatever one day he's talking about how he thinks Cardi being hilarious at it. I just put them in a group text.

Now we keep Now we having a good old time in the group tax. You know, I love Tyler and I love what he represents. I love how many black jobs he's cremated, black stories he's created. And you know, when you're a producer and you're black, it ain't a lot of y'all back there. That's why everybody got to show up. If you want to run a show and you want to do a show, motherfucker, y'all better take that me before you go take it somewhere else.

But our culture don't work like that.

Oh they go to the white collar. Well, I'll get it on a second, and you ain't gonna get paid what they're paying them over there.

And if you're mad, you're not gonna blast them where you'll blast with Jason Lee Carlos King because you feel like, oh, let's be real because to your point, when white blaw.

Now you really want to start this today because now you.

Can we can When white bloggers, journalist content creators talk the same shit about y'all, y'all do not blast them. But if it's the black content creators who do it, no, mad, you got ten million followers or ten There is something that the black talent takes personally as if I'm attacking you personally. No, I have an opinion on your music, your content, your reality moment, whatever.

And that's when it comes to you. When it comes to you, Do you feel like.

What I'm going, I'm gonna start right there.

When I watch all of these, all the blacks show up at the met Galla dress like peacocks and looking stupid and seeing this guy over here producing the show, he's laughing because it's fucking true. Eating saw a couple of peacocks walk up them damn steps of the museum that they don't never go in to be educated on shit, But you want to go to that high priced dinner party right because you got it, because you know, I gotta go to the Met. I gotta go to the met.

Those people don't care about you. They don't care, they don't talk about you every day. Half you've never been on the cover of Vogue and it will never be on the cover of Vogue because you don't have buying power and you don't have the talent. But you just want to be invited to sit at a table to eat that chicken that y'all be talking about when y'all call me in the background, to sit at a party with people who don't care about you at all. But your affection and validation for whiteness is so strong it's literally the thing that keeps your little black lives going.

You'll show up more for that than you will of a Tatiana Jackson or a little black kid who where Nolan Wills. Y'all niggas ain't posting about him, but y'all trying to get that MET ticket. See, we are driven by corporation, driven by validation of whiteness, driven by this perception of the house nigga that wants to have fantasy at the table while the other niggas sit outside.

That is a real.

Criticism I have of our culture, and that's why the culture is in critical condition.

Now let me say this.

Let me say this, I stop subscribing to all that chaos a long time ago because I realize very quickly that you all will sell the culture out, bash the culture, attack the culture, and say all the things that try to lift you up every day just to be a part of the conversation. But yet when it comes to these other folks who won't even give you the prime real estate that a Hollywood unlocked or a share room or you would, you will criticize us every day because it's just an expectation that we show up like what, No, when you go in the room this, why tell a Kevin Hart or Tyler Perry, whoever, when you go in the room with Netflix and all those people around the table don't look like you, make sure they're spending money

with us. Make sure that they're running that bag in marketing to us. Don't just assume we're going to talk about it because it's a black show or a black movie or a black song.

No, pay the money.

And the reason why I'm so critical of some of these celebrities is because why is it that Billboard will get you ten times but I can't get you. It's not because I'm messy. It's because I may have the conversation that you're gonna go give Billboard anyway. You're gonna go give it to them because you think that distribution somehow makes you look better.

No, you know what I'm gonna do.

I'm gonna go to Bristol franc with Rihanna and I'm gonna play spin that ship for Young Miami with Rihanna when India is attacking, and I'm an clip it. I'm gonna send the Young Miami letter, put it up in there, and now her song number one on two parts of Billboard. Why because we're gonna show We're gonna show love for us in an organic way and not wait for them to give it to us.

That is my biggest criticism of the culture.

Y'all all go to Michael Rubin's party and hang on each other's backs, like.

Excuse me.

But that's why I always say there needs to be a self examination in the culture, like how am I pulling up?

Why is Rihanna cool with him? And why am I not? Why? Why is she not afraid of him?

But I am. He's been friends with Queen Latifa for thirty three years, thirty three years, and he's never exposed her.

Why would he expose little on me? I'm not even famous enough. You know.

Half these motherfuckers ain't famous. They more famous in their mind than they are in real life. So I just don't subscript, you know, I just you know, whatever, you want to come over here, cool, I want to help you. You don't stay over here. I'm gonna criticize you, doesn't matter.

And that's the reason why I think you and I have always had a respect for relationship with each other.

Because I want you to know this. People are going to.

Be shocked that we know each other, are they, yes, Because it's it's what you said in your five minute dire traube about the the the chaos of our culture where we are under attack, and we're under attack because of us. Right. They want to pit me and you against each other. Right, we're both gay, we're both black, we're both in terms of their eyes, messy, and at this point, I don't give a fuck say it. But they don't understand that in real life. I have known you for years and I don't feel the need to express it because there's no need to.

And in real life, I know what you built.

One of the things that I never told you because I was waiting for the day you and I spoke on my show because I do believe in giving flowers personally and publicly. One of the ways that I was like, oh, I respect this motherfucker is when you were so open and honest about how when Wendy Williams was sick.

On hiatus what have you? And that purple couch, that purple chair. Excuse me, so.

Everybody from Remy and Fat Joe to white celebrities like Jerry O'Connell and I love.

R No and these are great people. It's not shape to people.

I'm just naming people in terms of And when you were like, hey, that mar Mark hey, and they said to you, you're not big enough.

Oh no, no, no no.

Before they gave the couch to them, they called me first because me and Wendy think me I was taking Wendy to what's the what's the club? I be the gay one that all the people go to, not not anyway, anyway, I was taking Wendy to.

The gay club.

We was in the club together, me and when I was at our me and Wendy were locked in, locked in. When Wendy got sick, her team was like, we need to call Jason. So they called me like and this was like the head of Debar Mercury, like.

We want you.

You know, Jason, this is your lucky day, Lonnie, who ain't there no more? By the way, look at that guy. It's your lucky day. Hey, what's up, Lonnie?

What's going on?

You know Wendy's not well and you know she's not gonna be able to do season eighteen. We'd like you to host the show. I was like, what now, you know, look at your eyes. That's like Wendy Williams Show. You're gonna come in do the first week opening up season whatever of the Wendy Williams Show.

What that is?

Like?

That is the call you're waiting for to not for Wendy Show. I want my own.

They call away for his own show. But I'll step in for my friend. Cool, not a problem. I'm on the phone. As I'm on the phone, I'm texting Cardi. I'm about to host Wendy Show. I need you to come day two. Yes, She's like, yeah, I come. Okay, Tiffany, I need you to come. They want me to housb Windy Show. Can you come the first day?

Da da da.

We're gonna do that. Yeah, I'm done, okay. I'm texting Mariah Carey. Mariah needs you to come in. We're gonna surprise Norman because he talks to it. He's like, he's a lamb. We gotta pop in. Can you imagine I come out there doing my thing, ding dong, open door and it's Mariah Carey. It would have been TV Goald, right, I'm texting Mariah Carey. I'm doing all the things. And then this motherfucker had the old white man says, you know, okay, who's going to co host with you? Because you're not big enough. And it was such a blow to me that now a normal person will say, you know what, Lonnie, let me think about who can call with me? Because I'm gonna make it fun like a fat join remy.

I'm no God prepared me to step in for my friend when she needs me to honor her chair, not make it mine, honor it for her while she can't be there in a way that really truly gives the audience what they want because they still want Wendy.

They don't want me.

But as Wendy's friend, knowing that, I'm gonna honor that chair for her and honor Norman and his contribution and honor because you know, when you talk to a camera by yourself, that's not easy, by b it's not easy and be entertaining at it. Okay, So to be disrespected that way, and then and then for them to say, you know, we would love Cardi B. No, you're friends with Nicki minaje. Right, No, I'm friends with Cardi B.

Oh same thing. I mean, no, it's not the same thing. Now, you're disrespecting the culture. It certainly happened, yes, So wait, you're disrespecting me because I ain't big enough when I believe I can hold the show because me and Suzanne, I know her and her husband, I know, I know the bookers, I know the people. Jenn Brookman, I'm like, what, wait, now, you're disrespecting the culture because we just the same thing, because just the black rapper, Nicki Minaj and Cardi B are not the same person. And then they tell me I'm not big enough you know. I said, Hey, Lonnie, no disrespect, but fuck you. And I got off the phone and I went and built my own fucking set, built my own show, called Ann Burrows. I'm gonna put

her out there, asked her for Puffy's number, got Puffy's number, called him, got my deal with Revolt done, got my show on the air, got with the Tavio Da da da.

I did it.

I showed cause, nigga, you can't tell me that your rejection is bigger than what God has set up for me, because God set up me. But God didn't want me to have that. See, because God didn't. I was bigger than Daytime TV. Go build your own shit, own your shit stead, Okay, God, I listened. I was submissive. I surrendered to his plan. I didn't get in the creativity of let me call up Carlos King and we could do it together, because we could have done it together.

But that ain't what I wanted to do to support my friend. But some people will lay down and take whatever these people hand them, scraps, disrespect, insulting, just to get that opportunity. When I thought like, no, I'm gonna thug it all the way out, and I did it, and I'm so proud I did it because I stood up for what I believed and I stood up for my friend. The show's gone now. Everybody they've given it to is gone too. And and you know, look at how they threw Sherry in there. They Well, I want to ask you this, this is and I love Sherry, by the way.

No, I love Sherry too, and it's not about hers as a person. But I'm actually learning a lot of what you're saying, right respectfully, right with Sherry. Do you think the reason why this show did not work is because she accepted what was gimme to her just because it was offered.

No, I will say Sherry, first of all, I remember Sherry from the view, Yes to Sherry Shepherd. Now she I mean, Sherry is a she knows TV, she knows, she was trained by Barbara Walters. She ain't no new girl off the street. That she not a she not a b Simone that just came in said I want to host the Wendy Show. That's no shade to Windy and just the shade to be Simone. No, we ain't friends no more either, But that's another story. Oh my god, it was no shade towards her. She did some factious she knows about. But anyway, hey, so this is Sherry Shepherd, who literally knows their time, who's trained by Barbara Walters, who knows that cross overmarket. And she still does stand up and she know like this is shy Shepper. No,

they said Sherry up for failure because they brought her in, same stage, same staffs I mean, you had Norman out there like you. You set her up for the audience to go this ain't Wendy, why da da da? But what I love about Sherry is Sherry built her own stage. She built like when they redesign, I mean she Sherry did a great job. I just think the market off linear TV is changing, right. It's like it's you can't it's too expensive to produce now audience. We got a show right here. We got a whole audience watching, and we had to pay one dollar to AIOA to put him in a room. No insurance, no why over it.

It's one person to hear my show. I got two people producing my show. For b et so BT that may have eighty staff producing the show.

I got two. So the whole business has changed. I just think that.

You know, Sherry did a great job of doing what she needed to do for her opportunity that presented itself. She didn't compete with Wendy, she didn't argue with Wendy's audience. She she did great, So I have no criticism her. I have criticisms, though, of us that continue to sh show up and support companies that are owned by people that don't look like us, that target our audiences, and I pay us what we're worth or respect what we built.

Wendy built that throne. She built it a hot ninety seven to make a charlet Magne. She built the talk show for me to have a show, so like we got to give her her flowers. And I feel like so many people shit it on Wendy because of her content and her delivery. When she went from calling people gay on the radio to say how you doing? It was still a nice way of saying, we knew what it was. Wendy's She's a fucking icon, so you know, yeah, I don't know that was crazy though you're not big enough.

I'll never forget that and the reason why I had the and when I said it on my podcast, he called me, did you go on live and say that. I said, motherfucking right, here you motherfucking right. Yeah I did, yep, I sure did. And look at how my guy works. He ain't over there no more. He married some younger girl, he like in his sixties. She probably like twenty something.

She probably getting him all the little money he had, probably ran out. He probably gonna be in conservative ship like Wendy. So I look at him like, look at touched out my annoying to do my profits no harm. Yes, I use the scripture. Yes, because everybody who's ever tried me has lost everything.

And I love it. I live in as soon as I sing as I call it. Look you lost it. God got you by.

Is it true that you were the front runner to replace Ah?

Here you here, you go, Here you go with the nonsense?

Is it true?

Let me say this.

I was the first guest host when Angela left, and it was dynamic and everybody was like, oh oh, So the fans started that up, and then the weekend shout out to Able. By the way, I didn't even know he was as big as he is, Like, I know he's big, he's a weekend but like he invited me, didn't show and I went in there, and I mean, this motherfucker sold out a Sofi stadium like three or four nights in a row, and it was like they're like, who that's our god?

Like he's anyway able?

You know. I told I had to call him on vocal rest like Nigga, you are an icon anyway, him and Beyonce nick name.

I'm sleep at that.

I know y'all gonna argue in the comments in terms of like whatever, they gon'll be mad about that, but it's true. Even even weekend was like, yo, you killed that shit.

You need that needs boc No. I was okay with that. They just quite frankly couldn't afford me. That's what it was.

Where you offered the job. I was never offered the job. I was encouraged to apply. I also don't feel like I should have applied. Would you say encourage to apply?

What does that mean?

I was told, you know, you should put your name in the hat. Charlemagne has been one of my biggest supporters behind the scenes. He loves you. No Charlemagne the god before everybody saw it claimed it. He's the one that spoke me into therapy. He's the one that you know he calls me out on my ship privately, not publicly.

You know, he you know, he's he he's not a mentor, but in a way he's kind of like my mentor. Like I look at Charlemagne, and Wendy is like, yo, Charlemagne has you know, I'm what he used to be in some respect of like some of the ruh, you know, and and I'm and I'm evolving. He's the one that say, no, you're a culture critic. You're not no blogger because you don't write stories or you know. So I look at and I have a lot of respect for Carla Main and uh, you know, would I have loved to do it? Yeah, but I'd love to be able at five am, five days a week. No, that's not true, that's not me, that's not you. Jess Hilarius told me in an interview she thought it was gonna be your job. And I even want to thank just for that because we haven't

always been on the same page with things. But I do feel like I appreciate what she said about that. I don't know, I mean it was, you know, shout out to Tom Pullman and everybody. I heart, I loved, iHeart because I had a syndicated radio show, went from rating zero to number one and seventy two markets on the weekend or whatever.

But just they couldn't find him more money for me.

Like for me, it's like, yeah it was easy in Turkey, and yeah it looks good, but like I don't want no shining ornament job.

I want that motherfucking bag. Give me my mind.

Somebody told me the other day they wanted me to do some of the brand and test. How it is, ain't no motherfucking test, bitch. When I push play, when I pushed send, when I push it, it's gonna fucking go. I don't need to test. If you need to test, you better test. Go get tested.

By the way I make HIV be negative, I'm big about I saw you on the I did.

I want people to know, like it's important. You said no your status and you did say that too. Yeah, so no, that's that's good. I'm glad you're letting the world know that that because.

It's important because I was afraid for years to get tested, like and I was being sexually reckless and drinking all the things and part and all that. And then now that I'm like on prep and active, still active, but on prep and tested and all that. Like I'm really big on like sexual health and so yeah, I posted that the other day. Everybody's like, why.

Are you telling us because we need to know?

Do you know?

Like, and it's okay if you're not, but I hope you're taking care of yourself and others like, let's be responsible.

So you know.

Now I'm talking to Gilliad, like what we're gonna do.

Let's work together.

Let's goe out here and educate women too and straight men about prep because y'all need to be on it too. Are you in a relationship Nope, only with God. Are you dating?

I go on dates frequently.

You know, there's this perception that the gay black community has of you.

No, because who is the gay black community is? Is there an organization?

No? They're online?

Are they online?

I'm gonna I'm gonna wait, I need to know what gay black community because let me tell you line, let me tell you this, one of the biggest challenges with the Blake Black gay community because if you go all the way back to Paris is burning and you look at those little brown kids in the streets who were out in the streets because their parents displaced them because they were gay.

Da da da da dah.

Like, we have a history of cannibalizing our community and then being mad when it.

Don't show up for us.

You know, the trans don't like the gays, The gays don't believe the buys, the straits to da da da the community. Before you tell me, I'm gonna listen to it. But before you tell me what the gay community thinks about me? What does the gay community think about itself? The only jobs that you have that one line you ain't even number one on the call sheet, number eight, number eighteen on the call sheet, is you wearing heels, makeup and sister girl in it. That's who we are.

We all ain't that. So you know, there needs to be a reconciliation. By the way, they do want to honor me at Atlanta Pride. I'd be there if we could figure it out. But in October, yeah, or Memorials, not momorl Day, Labor Day weekend. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. There needs to be a reconciliation within the gay community.

We need to have a HOA for the gay community. We need to have a meeting where we come together and say, what the fuck are we doing, because all we do is candialize each other. But anyway, tell me what the gay say, what they say the ones online or wherever they.

At that when it comes to men, that you have this affinity for light skin younger men, I'm sure you've heard that. Of course, you know on my line, I heard I have AIDS.

I've heard oh I got oh yeah, aids and when they went to the age they bypassed HIV. I've heard I have AIDS. I've heard I was on heroin. I've heard I've crack of all the things. I've been called all things. Here's the deal. I'm forty eight years old. So if I date a forty five year old, he's younger. Will I date a twenty five year old? Moan day?

Will I have fun with one? Absolutely? Are you crazy? In what country? That's the question. It's not about whether I would if he light skinned dark skin? Today, as South African tried me, who was darker than you? Is gorgeous, Serge Ibaku I was with last night, who's straight, by the way, Unfortunately, one of the most sexiest, good smelling men that I know, who is dark skin from the Congo.

He's he's When you say my type. My type is a good looking man, not a white one. I just don't date white men. I do date Lantin men. I do date Middle Eastern men, African men, light skin, dark skin.

You know.

That to me is that's always been a thing because I think earlier on in my podcast, when I didn't really understand the power of my platform, I'd be like, yeah, I went to New York and saw this light skin Dominican with pink lips and tattoos, Da da da da, And people were like, oh, that's his type. Okay, so that's where it comes that's where it comes from. That was that was way back in the day. And then you know, you would see me one it's like there you go, there you go, there you go, and I and I tend to date Dominicans. At the time, I was really I went through this Dominican era where they did look alike. They all let my friends be like, well, I know that's one. But what I love now is like the people I'll be talking to now while walking Arome,

they definitely write them off because they believe, oh, that ain't his type. It's like, okay, you know, I just don't feel like I need to make a proclamation of the type of person I would date or I'm into, because as long as you're an honest person, you're loyal, you don't cheat or still because some of y'all be stealing, and you're healthy and you're good looking.

You have a chance, and you could work at Starbucks.

You could be an attorney, you could be a doctor, you could be a basketball player, you could be singer, rapper, you could be whoever. Just be a good hearted person. I will say this at forty nine, though, I also have to mentally be into now. It ain't just the physical. It used to be just like if you look good.

Now it's like you really got to like we got to be able to like stimulate each other on some real conversation because I'm talking to families who are losing their kids every day. I'm talking to people who are like getting pushed out of their homes and I'm coming home with real shit. So what we're talking about, We're not talking about blunts and PlayStation and or Xbox whatever fuck they be playing. I'm talking about like how we get to this bag or you know, I just be okay with the Dominican from Dykman who just wants to come and smoke hookah like, no, no, we can't do that.

But can you?

You are a rich, powerful man, okay, can you see yourself with another man like you?

Or do you prefer to have somebody that may have more time to travel with you? And I love how you said that, because that's important for some people. No, right, yes, I do not want to date somebody who has to check in with his boss about going on vacation.

So there's that.

So to that extent, I'm willing to meet somebody who's there and say, go ahead and leave, and let's figure out what you want to do. You know, go ahead and leave today, not tomorrow, Leave today, my brother, leave today. Let's figure out what you want to do and let me help you with that. And uh, and then let's let's do that. Because I want, I do want you around, but I want you to have independence to where if you ever want to walk away, it's not a decision.

It's like, it's not a it's not a negotiation. It's like I'm leaving. You got your own account, you got your own money, you got your own stuff, you can go. I don't want you here from my life. I want you to be in addition to my life. So I have been very intentionally now meeting more people like that. I did try the whole let me meet it, let me date a forty eight year old who's successful agent, and I didn't know the whole date was like an audition, like to go to WM I'm like, wait, are we auditioning to go to your agency?

Like we not?

Wait, wait, hold on, hold on what oh baby baby, haven't seen them since?

Gorgeous? Great?

But like, no, I fuck with you cuz yes, that's what I'm on for the same person that comes to back. I agree with you, yeah, but I'm not, no sugar daddy. Like. The thing is that what people don't understand, which is why I love now that you said. I don't mind you having a job where you check in with a boss. Yes, if you want to be with a Jason Lee or Carlos King, yes, yes. Then we have to figure out what your passions are, because nine times out of ten, that's not your passion, right, And I don't mind you figure it out, And I'm helping you figure it out.

Because you may not have the time in bandwidth because of this job that keeps you so chained down. To unlock the dreams that you have, So like, let me free up some time so you can just get centered and figure out what is it that I want to do, and let's try that and then if that do work, I'm gonna tell you a story about this guy was talking to and he's you know, I'm gonna just put it.

I ain't gonna say his name though, because I actually like him. Wors for friends still model, you know, I'm like, okay, you're modeling, now, Okay, there is a sunset on ben mal model.

There is there's a time.

And although you're successful at modeling, don't you airbnb your apartment moving with me so you don't have to pay no bills. Now you make another stream of revenue from your Airbnb. And let's figure out how we build your own clothing line that you become the face and creative director of. And then we'll go get the funders. Because I was head of Media and Partners just for Kanye West, so I kind of know some people in that space, and let's build a brand that I'll handle some of the marketing. So I'll take a small equity, but you own it. It's yours, and then you can shoot on location.

We can go, you can do whatever you want, and you make your own schedule. And his response to me was, you're trying to control me. And I was like, okay, So we went into therapy together, like, let's go in therapy. Lize, Oh, like, let's really try this. So let's go in therapy together. Therapist was talking to him and he was very set on, you're trying to control me. He really likes me, but I think there's this there's something where I think it's my world is a lot and then the fear of what's going to happen and what he's been throughing.

I can't live in that.

I can say that if you want at the time, not anymore, but like, if you want to do this, I'm willing to work with you to put you in a position of ownership so you have the freedom to love the way I want to be loved and then return get loved the same, but then also have a stream of revenue and still be able to go back to your place because it's Aaron b. If you want you up. We put another and the response was, you're trying to control me. That's when I know that, That's when I realized that there's just a lot of damaged people out there too. So sometimes the not working out is because people got shit they got to work on.

I also think this too.

I think our community, the gay Black community, we weren't aware raise all the things to accept a softer life in a relationship because we unfortunately then I have in examples of that growing up. And I do think one of the deficits of our community, besides the masculinity, femininity which which is always going to be an issue.

For them, not for me.

Top bottom all of that is a gay black man does not understand what love looks like. And the fact that he could not get past the fact that this man wants me so much he is willing to help me, and the fact that you said, motherfucker, keep your apartment, keep everything you want to do, but join me in helping you go to the next level. A woman would do that in a heartbeat, but a gay black man, they don't understand that concept.

And a thing, I'm controlling you and I agree with you. And it's just unfortunate because that was one that I was like, Okay, this one I can make work. I mean whatever, But you know, I also look at it like, Okay, now, my work with my therapist is like what does a relationship look like? Because we also have to get to a point where we all know that we are deserving of love, like a lot of us don't know that we are deserving of it. Tiffany Hattters is the one that I always give the credit to who walked me through the process of self love, because I remember interviewing Jennifer Lewis years ago and she said, baby, have you ever looked in the mirror and told yourself you loved yourself until you cry? And I said, I ain't doing that.

And I did it one day and I had to force myself to sit there and do it. And this is when I was three hundred and twenty three pounds and all other things. And I remember getting really emotional because it was really hard to reconcile that I have been deserving the whole time, when my mother gave me away, when my brother got killed, when my dad didn't show up for me, all these things, all these moments where I didn't feel that love showed itself to me, that I was feeling that I wasn't worthy of it. That manifested into how reckless I became once you start to have those type of revelations and then go, I got more birthdays behind me than I do ahead of me.

Wait a minute, so how am I spending every minute of my day? Wait?

Who am I dealing with? What type of energy am I around? Then you start to put things in perspective. So now when somebody says to me, like, y'all want to hang with you, what does that mean? I don't have to if you want to what you doing? Don't what you do with me. I don't let nobody just what you doing me on text because you could put that on Instagram that what you do. No one could be me texting beet what you're doing because I want to talk about another show, Tyler Perry.

What you're doing?

Because I need to come to Atlanta because I need to put this idea for you. What you're doing for me has to have some reciprocal value. And it's not about being an asshole. It's just like, what are we doing?

What are we doing?

We?

I want to hang out? What the hang out? Let's party with a purpose.

My birthday party this year is going to be a fundraiser where I raise a half a million dollars for my nonprofit. So everybody that comes to that dinner, it's gonna be one hundred seats, five thousand to see everybody's welcome.

How many of my friends got it? Want to show up?

How many my friends got in? Don't want to show up? Okay, you don't, you can't make it. You can send five thousand. I'm going to test everybody who's in my ecosystem. And if you don't want to show up and you don't want to support me, just tell me. I don't want to support you. I would respect that more than I'm unavailables.

And I you know you if you got it and you can't make it because people at that level they send the check. You know so now, But but who told me that?

Rihanna?

She's like, make your party make sense for you do a party that's important to you. Stop stop making it about everybody. Every year you do a party and invite everybody and you paying for everything, make it all about you. I had to give myself permission to be selfish, selfish, and I blame Rihanna for that. So it's like when you want to know why is he like or why is she like him? Because that's how we overhear building and I look at again, like to your point, there's so much damage in our community, Like you know, like why would a person to somebody who has it all, who don't need you for nothing, say I want you.

I want you so bad.

I'm going to build you up and make you live out what you're trying to live out in a way that gives you the independence to walk away when it no longer serves you. But you still say, oh no, I just you're trying to control me, you self, sabotage your own shit because you didn't believe you're worthy of love.

That may be a book or something like we have to figure out how to just because I don't think we know that we're all deserving of it.

No, That's why I always when I talk to someone that looks like us, I always make sure to talk about it because no one else will, because no one else knows befo.

I'll let you go. One thing that I do want you to address. People think you have a heart on for Beyonce, and a lot of a lot of people know you love her, and you have made that explicitly clear.

A lot of people, though, Jason, they weren't happy when you were on your show, and they felt you threatened to expose her and they felt that that was you went too far When it comes to that, what do you have to say to the people in terms of how do you reconcile saying I love you, You're the greatest thing.

And you know they make fun of you chasing her when when.

You already addressed that, we got to get into it, but then use your same platform to say I know things about you and I will I will say.

It, and that's not what I said.

So again, you know, it's like the internet is the Internet is this cyclone of telephone?

Like he did what he said? What who is saying? You know?

And this is why I never really get into those weeds, because you know, those weeds are for the people again who navigate at a level that I that I'm far beyond.

What I will say.

First is I don't give a fuck nobody think about my relationship with Beyonce, because it doesn't matter what people think. They're free to think whatever they want as it relates to Beyonce. The people around her like Angiebonz, who I love, knows Ty Hunter, who's a friend of mine, who introduced me to Beyonce, knows Neil, who does her here, who's a friend of mine, knows Jules, her nephew knows. You know, Kelly Rowland, who I talked to not long ago, who saw all the Internet stuff. We had a conversation. She knows how much I love her and Beyonce. Oh yeah, Kelly.

Kelly checks the girl, Kelly Rowland. You know what's so crazy? She didn't check me the way that people would expect. Kelly knows how much I love Kelly. Like, Kelly's one of the most beautiful girls, flawless, skin sweet. Anytime Kelly see you in a room, the way she lights up, it's like the only I could define his joy. I love Kelly Rowland. I've always admired her. When her and Chalice were friends years ago. I remember Coalise had she did some event where she cooked something at a restaurant and Kelly was there. We had a moment. So I've always loved Kelly.

You know.

I think what I was so mad about was how the Internet turned this thing, you know, because they never heard.

What I said.

I believed it out showed your co host. Yeah, but that was just my way of getting the Internet's attention because evet No sure wouldn't get the messge to Beynest.

So I had to get it to Beyonce because I'm not going to.

Call Angibn's who I love and put her in an awkward situation and say this was going on. I need to talk to me, like I'm not going to call who am I? Who am I to call up the queen? And I want to put me on the phone with Beyonce like I ain't gonna do that. I ain't gonna bother Kelly Rowland and say, Kelly, you know because first of all, I got to call Tim, her husband, I got a will and deal with him. I ain't doing all that. I'm not doing it. So let me get everybody's hit and I know how to do this. So I got everybody's attention. Now what I was what I didn't think of when I did that, was that it would like spin out of control. But the Internet is a reckless highway that you know I tend to frequent.

But the thing I will say about Kelly Rowland, first of all, she loved Beyonce.

She gonna have it.

If Beyonce say we got to go do a drive by. Kelly's going to drive the car. Kelly will say do you want or do you want me to drive? That's what I love about it. So I'll tell you. I went to Carti's concert with them. I took no card not Cardi. Wait, yeah, it's Carty. I went to Carti's concert with Tiffany Hattish and friends. Was it was it Cardi's concert? Anyway, it was somewhere to see Carti and Carti.

We went to Carti's dressing room and so me and Tiffany were like, okay, let's go find Oh it.

Was Carti's concert. The tour that just happened.

Okay, it was, you know, it was the It was the I went to so many It was the La show and uh so, uh I knew Kelly was mad at me because I had heard she was mad at me or whatever.

And so I go to the show and uh so, I'm like, let me go back there and holler that cardiork.

So me and Tiffany were walking backstage and we we opened the door to go into Carti's room, and so open the door, Kelly rolling sitting there. I'm like fuck, you know, like fuck you know, cause she from Houston. She might get up, we might have to square up, you know what I mean?

I love Kelly.

So I walk in and Kelly's sitting there, and part of me was like, damn, I just want to go hugger because I love her so much, but like, I ain't gona hugger because she mad a shit, but she ain't looking like she mad.

I just know she's mad.

So I So Tiffany walks in and so so Tiffany's in front of me. Everybody loves Tiffany, so Kelly's like, hey girl, and they're like hey girl in it. So when Kelly hugs Tiffany, obviously, now her face is on Tiffany's shoulder and she says, I'm right behind her.

So now I'm like, do I say Hi? Do I not say Hi?

But it's just Kelly, her husband, me, Tiffany, and my friends, so it's not like there's an audience. So I'm like, you know what, Nope, I'm not going to bother her because not because I want to be shady, but I want to respect her. Piece that is Kelly motherfucking rolling over there. I'm leaving her alone, so I don't say anything.

And Kelly goes hi to all of us, and I go HI, and I leave it at that. So I'm thinking, Okay, at least we spoke, but it's not like how I usually see Kelly how she's So I left it at that, and then we all sat down and it was quiet, you know. And then they came and got Kelly and her husband and they left and it was just us a while. I was like, yo, that was awkward as shit.

Now by this time, all the people are in the room and now it's we're in this pride room. So I'm like, yeah, that was kind of awkward. Damn, you know, like and certificately like what happened?

What was going on?

So I started explaining to Tippy, like, you know, she's mad at me because this internet thing that I So we're there for a while. The door opens is Kelly and her husband and they're walking out, and now the room is full with people and Kelly's about to leave, and so I'm literally sitting here like this and Kelly walks by and so everybody's like bye bye, so like bye bye, and so she walked a boy and then I fell a hand on my shoulder, right hand, and I turned around and it's Kelly. And I said, nope, I ain't gonna do this with you. I am not doing because you know, damn well, I love the Queen.

You know I love you. I don't.

She goes, Jason, Jason, Jason, and she she goes, I thought you loved us. I said, you know, damn well, I love you, and you know I would never shave Beyon said, you know that I'm not going to have this conversation with you and with all these people because it's still a personal private thing if we're going to talk about it, for really to get into it.

And I said nope, I said, I love her.

I love you, you know I Whenever she goes, but Jason, you know, we kind of feel like you, you know, you you attack the family. I'm like, no, I love her and I love you. And she goes, you know, we love you too. And then and then her husband was like come on, you know how your husband like, come on. We got here and she was like hold on and say hold on, and I said, I want you to know I love you. I love her.

It wasn't that I'm willing to tell you what it was.

I did tell her a little bit about what the concern was or who was related to her, and she was like, all right, we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk. We cool, it's cool. And then we left it at that. But it wasn't like it wasn't no beef when I saw it. Now the one that kind of hurt me though, that I felt bad about. And I don't have her information on mark because I have a new phone. Angibn is her cousin. I did see her at a party and she was like she was standing there. I was like, damn, I want to so I want to Hutganjie, but I can't Hugtganjie because it's weird. And when she got by me, she said Jason, and I said, Angie, you know, I love you know. And we just talked really briefly. But I still want to, you know, at some point, if

I ever run into b and she she ever gives me a chance to say anything, we can have a key key on the side because she know Beyonce, is she paying attention with what you're doing. She pay attention to what I'm doing. She she she pays attention to everything.

But there's no beef. There's no beef. I love Beyonce.

She's fucking goat. How can you hate Beyonce?

Okay, we know that Beyonce watches, So Beyonce is looking at this right now, this is your moment.

What would you like to say? Well, I'm not gonna you know, I ain't. I don't want to say nine the specific Listen, listen. The conversation I have that I had then and that I have now will be for her if she ever wants it. But you know, obviously she's Beyonce. She I mean, I've talked to Michael Jackson, I've danced on stage with Prince. I know Rihann, I know I work with Kanye the Goats. Shout out to Kendl Lamar, who showed me outs Love Weekends. I'm in Tyler Perce, I'm in the conversation with Madonna's I'm in the car rooms. I'm in the room with the Goats.

The goats, you want to have the relationship, I'm open to having the relationship with them in clear errors and whatever.

You know.

I don't ever feel like I need to be submissive to anybody because they're a singer or a rapper, an actor or nothing. Because when nobody's above or better than anybody. But I would absolutely love to clear the air because one thing I never want, and I think the only thing I would ever feel bad about is that Beyonce felt like damn Jason who loved me all these years, like don't like me, no hate something he or as we No, I love her, She's fucking Beyonce. But I will say this, every artist, everybody who's in this business needs to have a team that actually gives a fuck.

That isn't just you know, thinking, because they work with an artist, they can shit on and treat anybody any type of way because I don't give a fuck who you are. I don't give a fuck who you are. When you see me walk in that motherfucking room, you're gonna respect me. You're gonna put some respect on my name, or you're gonna suffer the consequence, and then you all can fucking deal with it over Thanksgiving dinner. It's not my problem, you know, Eve no Shore somebody. I had a lot of respect for it. And Evet knows that.

She will tell you that I just saw you that recently at BT Awards. She didn't speak to me. I didn't speak to her. Snow Beef it's just you know where I stand now. I was in Saint Lucia, saw her backstage. She stopped and talked to my friends. We didn't speak beef because she know what she did. Am I willing to sit down and talk to you that that's where the issue is. But it's because I worked hard as a black man to own a one of the biggest, most relevant companies in culture and then you don't respect my business. And you are black publicist from Grenada, and I know what you went through. You represent the one of the biggest black stars of our lifetime. And you saw how they shot it on Beyonce when she

started you show. You saw how they treated her, how they disrespected her mother when she showed up with them clothes she made and thinking that she was they weren't cute enough when that woman, that woman, the mother and father quit their jobs to put everything they had into the cause. You saw that shit. How the fuck you see their grind? And I have a respect for mine?

Nah? Fuck that?

And I'm not supposed to say nothing because you work for Beyonce. You ain't Beyonce. So now Beyonce know how I feel. I love Beyonce down like that she gave us. What the fuck she gave us? What's the album she gave us? I mean all sudden, what's that last? Not the last one? The Cowboy and what's the one? Oh Renaissance? Yes, and I say it, that's with all due respect, that bitch gave us an album to celebrate in our community that we would have.

Never saw from another art.

I said that too, so so for me. And when I say that bitch, I mean that's our bit. That's Oh no, that's Mother, you know, that's that's Mother. That bitch gave us an album that I played to this day because I could see myself and I see Uncle Johnny, I see we see us, And that was that was a gift to our community in a way without using us like I talked about earlier. So for me, and I'm getting goose even the way she partnered with Madonna on that shit, like, what she has done deserves to be respected, but it also deserves to be protected by the people she put around her.

Don't shit on people and treat people like that.

And since I've been outspoken, speaking out and then other people coming like you know this, you know this, you know this, And I got stories that again.

If I put if I, if I, if I spilled all the.

Tea that this little genius might have, baby, it ain't enough bandwidth on Earth to handle it all that she probably don't even know. So would I get frustrated? As here I am out the tea spiller. And I love how this whole, the whole conversation's gone. People think you messiness and I I'm gonna tell you something off camera that don't have nothing to do with what we talking about right now.

You're gonna be like and you never said nothing.

It would make international news, but I choose not to do it because I know the destruction it will cause other people. I know how Young Miami was feeling, how she was being shitted on by Ndra and all these people out there shitting on her song.

But you didn't do the same. The sexy read it was talking about her booty, whole brown and all this other shit. You weren't attacking her.

But you want to attack Young Miami because you think it's popular to dump on her right now because her nigga did something.

Now, We're not gonna let you bully her like that. So I team that with Rihanna. We put that out.

Now what spin that shit? But I ain't gonna get credit for that. I ain't gonna get credit for putting John the Major's on the stage when y'all try to take him out and show him that black men are worthy of redemption. You're not gonna shit on my brother Jonathan. That's why he put Magazine Dreams out. He's killing ya because he's one of the best actors in the world.

You know, you're not going to give me that credit and that grace because it's okay. But I don't do it for that. I do it as I do what the fuck I want to do. As it relates to Beyonce, she mother anytime. If mother called me, tell me where you want me to be, I'll get I'll get a first class flight and I'll be there because I love her, you know.

So there's that.

There's no beef and Kelly Rowland pull up, not pull up. I love Kelly Roland though I love them all right, Alex Farmer Minna is all right. So I want to play a rapid fire?

Can I say one more thing? Of course, shout out to Melissa Ford. Now let's get into that real quick.

Let's get into that.

Yeah, I love Melissa for it.

I think people you know, obviously we didn't watch did she leave Hollywood. I'm not getting into that because she tell her own story. You know, I felt she had went on drink Champs and she had a little too much liquor, and everybody knows.

And I don't think.

I don't even know if she drinks anymore. But you know, mal she when she drinks, she's a little fun. She got a little loose lipped, and she said some slic shit and I went on there and said some slic shit. But at the core of it all, when I started this thing on the mic, it was Melissa Ford was the only person that I trusted to sit with me, because you know, it's hard to have a co host.

That's why you got your own shit the king, fuck all that. When you got a king, aana queen, y'all niggas is competing for Mike time, and you know, me and her found a rhythm when I didn't even know what I was doing. That literally competed with the Breakfast Club in a way. They were like what they're doing over there, And it was I was able to find comfort in doing this thing with her as my my road dog because we we would lay it up and you know whatever. And so you know, I didn't like how we fell out, but I did like how she she talked to you, she talked to me, and I like the way she handled that conversation because you set her up to do some messy ship because you were trying to fucking crouse a wedge between me and Melissa

for because because she.

Was trying to be a messy ass bitch.

You asked me the wrong motherfucking question and I ran in the Carlos and the gym and Miami Baby. He said hello, And I had a mouthful about that because I felt like, motherfucker.

Yeah.

But no, Melissa, you know, I am so happy to watch her doing her own thing right now. She finally did what all of us do. Who starts some it's like it's like that that that flight with turbulence until you get coasting. She's now coasting, doing her own thing. She got one of the last interviews with Michael Jamal Warner.

She's she's visible. You see, she created her own she she owns and she knows what it takes to do that. So I love the conversation that you all had and that was the conversation that allowed me to go back to her sliding her dms like what's up, you know, like thank you for that, and you know, and we we talked or whatever. And then she went over to Joe Buden's podcast and let him use her to try to shop on me, and then he fucked her over and she learned the hard way that you know what I mean, everybody ain't your friend, and a woolf in sheep's clothing ain't none but a bitch.

But NA.

Tell the guy back here stop laughing because I'm trying to stay trying to stay positive. Okay, by the way, he's attractive. See now they sayund like dark skin man, y'all can't see what's behind the camera. He's straight. He can't be attractedly. Okay, fuck you up. I just want on, hold on hold.

I was okay the niggas.

I know my man, I know my man. Wait, he got a lee on his shirt. It don't mean I want to hear one one and one million or four page letter. I'm just saying, I'm observation. I know you when Jason, I'm not going to bother this in the clubs together with Jason Lee Steeves a man he wants. First of all, First, no, you don't play from I'm I'm Andy Cohen that situation. I'm gonna go get what I want. Shout out to Andy. I almost almost wanted to fight Andy one night.

He got one that I want to But anyway, uh no, I don't.

First of all, I don't want to know that I don't want the man.

I'm just saying, you know, I'm just talking. Anyway, he's a tractor. What I'm listen for it?

Yeah, No, Melissa man, you know she's She's Melissa fucking for it like she is who she is. And I think at times she hasn't given herself the credit that she deserves for paving away for lots of people, and a lot of people disrespected her along the way, and I think that obviously our relationship didn't work out, and she maybe felt like, you know, I should have been there for her when I when I when she needed me or something, you know, And I look forward to the day that me and her, can you know, do a one more time, like let's sit down and have a warm because our fans, Yeah, our fans want to see it.

So I told Giovanni.

I ran to him once, like maybe the three of us sit down and just do a one more show, because you know, he left and then she left and then I let whatever. But nah, I have loved for Melissa for it. I just you know, I was in my feelings that Drink Champs episode. I was like, I went in there, I told Noyek, I'm coming to burn everybody down today and I did. And you know, but I love Mussis. It was a good episode.

Yeah, I need to ask you this. Yes, when I say this, I'm not saying this because we're friends. The way taler Berry built his own studio for movies and scripted, you have done that in the digital space. And there's tons of people out there who came before you, who was on YouTube doing other shit before you, even someho are doing it now.

You literally built this shit, And I'll be remiss not to ask this for the many of people who look up to you. How did you create Hollywood, unlock and build this empire?

Because a lot of people give that credit to Floyd Mayweather, and you've give him his prosper what he has was done for you.

But what advice do you have for people? Let me say this people at first that you say, Oh, he's Floyd Mayweather's best friend, so Floyd's given him whatever he wants. Floyd being friends with Floyd Mayweather or a Robert Smith, the second most wealthiest black man in the country who just raised one hundred billion dollars, actually makes it harder for me because when you go ask for the money, they're like, why can't Floyd just give it to you?

Why can't Robert just give it to you.

I'm buying a company right now for twenty million dollars, and they're like, why can't Robert just give you all the money? Because that's not our relationship. If Robert wants to do anything, Robert will, But that's not my relationship with Robert. My relationship as an entrepreneur is to go out and figure out what I want build my cap stack, go and invite the right strategic partners to the table, make sure that my equity stays where it is, to allow me to keep control and know all the verticals that I want to build.

That's what I'm as an entrepreneur.

I'm a smart ass businessman when it comes to what I've been able to build when I started Hollywood Unlock. The thing that Alex Avon, who's a friend of mine said to me is I'm Alex okay, so ux is the one that said to me, like, why don't you build your own company? And that's how the Hollywood and Locked thing came about. All these things I wanted to do.

He said, Yo, you're a You're a jack of all trades, but you don't master anything. That was like, ah, it was like a gut check.

So I had.

He said, you need to master one thing and then build on that because you want to do it all. You want the events, you want, the shows you want build the foundation. So I went and built Hollywood Unlocked dot com, got on Love and hip Hop to promote it, then got on my while'n out to diversify it. Then launched the podcast to have my own voice that I had creative control and final cut approval. Then I wanted to license that to make more money. Then that led to building this, Then that led to building that. Then I wanted to honor people after they say I couldn't go to a ward show, so I built my own award show. And now then I wrote a book because I wanted to tell my story to help other people.

And now the book's becoming a movie. It's like I'm doing the I'm the jack of all trades who mastered one thing and then built on that. So I had to build the foundation of Hollywood Unlocked, and then I had to build all the pillars when I built the agency side of Hollywood Unlocked. My first client was Kanye West, and then I went and took on enhanced health care.

Then I went and took on this first, and then I started, you know, consulting people and saying, oh, in order for me to consult you, my fee is x. And I'll tell you all for those of you watching, since he want to ask about money, my fee is a million dollars a year. If you're not willing to pay or unable to pay, I don't understand how to find the time to work for you.

That is what it takes. And that is what it took Kanye.

That's what it took Enhance, and that's what it'll take anybody and any other client that I've worked for on the side, whether you've known or not known, if you want me to consult you, if you want me to spend the time opening up my my rolodex, my resources, my thoughts, my my creative ideas. It's a million dollars a month, and the payment has to be on time every time. Kanye said, I'm gonna just pay you in one payment. The other people pay me monthly, quarterly, whatever, but you just got to pay me. And so yeah, I built Hollywood unlocked, you know, in a very strategic way.

And there's still much more I want to do and when and when I exit, My goal is I want to exit a billion dollars. I want to at least have fifty percent so I can then go and become an investor, dollingthroptics, should and do all the other things I want to do. And I hope Tyler says I have ten more years. I tell him I want five.

I want to be done in five. He was like, nope, ten when you sell it for yeah, yeah the billion, yeah yeah, yea yeah for sure.

Yeah yeah, but it'll go like that. Yeah, because you're you're good now yeah. Would you work with Kanye West again?

Kanye?

And I I mean, let me say this right now, no, because I you know, the one thing I would say is Kanye respected me to the extent that I when he knew I was going to leave.

He called me and said, you're leaving. Yeah, I was out.

He never he he I have a relationship with everybody else did so would I work with him today? No? Would I work with Kanye, who was healthy in his right mind, had a very clear direction. You wanted to go and focus all the things? Yes, because again I think everybody's worthy of redemption. But all the work you have to do to be worthy of the redemption is the part I think he struggles with. Fair Okay, rapid fire questions Jason Lee addition, who is the most powerful celebrity you ever had to expose? I don't really expose what is what is exposed? I'm not media takeout. That's Fred's thing. I don't expose people. We don't Hollywood A lot does not expose.

What's one story you do regret ever publishing or talking about none?

Nothing.

Who's been banned from Hollywood? Unlocked, banned that you just won't report on, that we won't report on. I mean, you know, I said on Angelae's show, Tank didn't want us posting him, so we don't post him. Yeah, what's the biggest secret about Hollywood that people still don't know.

That. They don't know that that they that they still don't know. What is the thing about Holly? What that people still don't know?

Oh?

That's it's a place where you go to pursue your dreams and not get distracted. I feel like people go there with this idea of Hollywood and and and they lose track of what they're there for. I went there with a very clear plan and I executed it. Who's the one celebrity that sent you a cease and desist?

I'm not going to say that person's name because I recently did something that went viral and I don't.

You know, I don't want to put them out there like that.

Okay, has anyone ever offer you money to kill a story?

Yeah? A lotto, which is why we don't have a relationship anymore. But I love Lotto. She's beautiful, congrats.

On the baby and all that she offered you money not to reveal that. Well, she did and her team did, Yeah, because we broke I think we broke the story of her in twenty one savage dating at a time where they didn't want that out and their team wanted to pay us off, and we were like, no, we love Lotto, but we're not gonna take the story down and we're not going to take the money for it. And then I guess in turn, she doesn't like us anymore, which is fine. But she's the only rapper to put my name in a song that was fire by the way, and I love Lotto, And you know, hopefully one day she comes around when it's all said and done. What would you like for Jason Lee to be remembered.

For that big ass check he got for everything he built? That's it. You know.

My legacy is going to be the youth center and stocked in THEO became the vice first openly gay vice mayor, the kid who ran the streets, ran the city. The book he wrote became a movie. The story that he told his mind. You know, he he literally took control of every aspect of his life, his career, his health, his weight, his mind. You know, He's That's what I like.

When I run into people in they're like, you know, you know, like you just you inspire me so much. Sometimes it's hard to absorb it because you you know, you really don't know what people are watching.

My job is talking to just a camera.

So I feel like I'm just talking to the camera, but I know there's millions and millions of people that get to see the stuff and that and then you know, Wendy had the shoe cam. I have shade cam, My shade cam. I look, I say, do you think TikTok? I'm all over TikTok. And I don't even post on TikTok because my fans, right, So I know, I get a lot of love when I see people. I mean, that does feel good because I do feel like, yo, like this is these are my people. This is the love that I didn't have as a kid. So in that respect, I love it. But like I don't care if people love me hate me, You're gonna respect me.

But at the end, when I sell it all and I go away, you know I'm going to get what I wanted out of this, and that is influence, impact, money, and the ability to now do what I want to do for the rest of my life. And I will say this though, it does feel good to be able to live life on my own terms, Like I don't have to do anything I don't want to do. I do everything that I want to do, and I spend time with who I want to spend time with. And that's freedom.

Man.

You don't even know how good it feels until you lose it. And there's no brand I work with right now that I don't want to work with. There's no money I'm taking that I don't want to take, there's no there's no there's you know. I am at a point though, where I'm getting to a point where I'm like, unless I have something to promote, which is different here because we talked about doing this, but like, I don't even want to.

Just be doing interviews and more.

I used to do interviews, all the interviews because I wanted the audience jack, but it was strategic like I'm gonna go and breakfast cub take their Audience'm gonna drink chain to take the audience.

I'm gonna over here and take their audience. But like I've already done that.

Now now I'm now I'm backing up a little bit more, saying like how do I how do I creep this partnership with this network and build more shows for more people, like what you've done for you know, people are creating shows. I want to do that.

That's That's where I'm at now.

I'm proud of you.

I appreciate, and not only on a professional level, of all the things you built personally, to know that despite everything that you have been through and gone through and and experience, your relationship with God and never dissipate it, and the fact that I hope that the audience walks away learning more about you as a man in the sense of you still give God all the credit. Absolutely, but we know in our business that's not the case all the time.

And that people need to believe their own height.

And although you're very confident your whims call you all the things, I would say that I'm pleasantly surprised in a good way that you still have your feet planted on the ground and I love that.

Yeah, but that's why we put gospel music at the end of every one of my award shows. That's why I took text Harvey Mason, the president of the Recording Academy and the Grammys, like I need you all to put gospel back in the broadcast, whether you choose to do it or not, whether he listens to me or not.

I told him, I feel like we need to see that more because the world right now is wicked and the last thing I want to end with is please register to vote. And if you're in a city or a state where people are trying to attack your right to vote or your voice to vote, please don't allow all the people who died to be their dest to be in vain because they did all of that to give us the freedom that we've been talking about. I mean, I think that right now just the culture is under attack.

Rights are under attacked, gay women, everything is a black's under attack. Like you don't understand the impact to everything, like having this show. Our brand's not going to sponsor the show because the President don't like DEI, So now you're losing brand dollars. I'm gonna go give it to white people who target black people and not black people who own who talks to black me Like, it's the whole thing. Every single person plays a part in that.

So the last thing I would end with is be responsible and get ready to to vote. Jason Lee, y'all bye. That was excellent.

Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership with the Lack of Effect Network. You can also find us on my YouTube channel at B Carlos King Underscore

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