Let Me Tell You 'Bout My WEST Friend | Summer House Recap with Jazmine Henley-Brown & Blue Telusma

0:03 Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well. Old rain Drops the trio that you love when it comes to Summer House and No, I'm not talking about Sierra, Amanda and West Trifecta too soon.

0:47 So Jasmine Blue.

0:49 I feel like it's part three, although by the way, let's give to the intercomeback.

0:55 I have to deal with this shit for another week.

0:58 I said, Lizzie, and I said, wait a minute, there's a part four.

1:03 I think I feel like I'm refusing, even though somebody texting me today I was like, can you come on to cover the fourth part. I wanted to be like no, because I'm not watching it, but then I was like, well, it's kind of my job, so see you then, girl.

1:19 I need better pressure medication if we're going to do a part for my God. Today, I don't want.

1:23 To see it, like I don't care. I don't care.

1:25 Holding those hostage jazz, I feel like I'm being took. I got took, forget taken, we got took, we got that.

1:34 I did not care less. I couldn't hear.

1:37 That is funny because it reminded me of back of my Bravo days when we were when I was doing The Housewives and the network orders a certain number of episodes normally like between fourteen and sixteen, and during my tenure, from like season six and seven, they ordered like twenty six. So I remember being like, me and my friend Lorraine, who produces the show, we'll.

2:03 Be like and Ray, we'll be like, we're tired, and I think the audience.

2:08 But when the ratings are rat they're like, so we're gonna be milked this Summer house reunion. But what I will say is part three, Lindsey Hubbard, we'll get to you later.

2:26 The way you told Andy you feel like nothing of us all. We'll get to that. But I think we got some information about flu and jazz leting know what you think.

2:35 So this is all about the timeline, the receipts and everything in between. So Wes did say because West was prepped, not by his beta blockers. He clearly was prepped by whatever team he hired crisis management.

2:55 That Amanda heard used child or is it Amber heard?

2:57 Amber heard used, so Wesi, that's a I'm joking brain jobs eating higher Amber Herd's crisis management team.

3:06 Okay. Wes said that in February.

3:10 Or March of twenty twenty five that he and Amanda were hanging out and that he was just happy to see her happy. Amanda said, you know, she echoed that same sentiment, and this is when they started to reveal that feelings started to develop.

3:33 Jasmine, do you call bullshit on this?

3:36 Well?

3:37 Wait, it wasn't twenty twenty five, it was this this year.

3:41 Correct, I'm sorry?

3:43 Okay, yeah, do I go bullshit?

3:48 Jerry's so out on that because because because I feel like him saying like seeing her happy made him happy.

3:54 That is such like a.

3:55 Friend thing to say.

3:56 Like think about like watching a friend that you have that's in a relationship you think is like super toxic and then you finally like get them out of the house and they're they're chilling. You guys are going to hang out with their other friends, and you see them happy, it is it does make you happy as a friend.

4:11 So I'm like, that doesn't feel weird to me. That sounds like a very platonic thing to say. Obviously, everything we know now about them, everything looks suspicious, like everything looks shady in the light.

4:23 So I don't know. I don't call bullshit. I'm the jury still out for me.

4:28 What about you, blue.

4:32 Child?

4:33 I told myself, I'm at this resort, I'm going to bath. I'm meditated before today. Man, Look, there are several theories out there that I and Jesse. I feel like you've probably heard a lot of the theories. One of them is when Amanda said they weren't sexual to the statement, and everybody now believes the statement she's talking about is her and Kyle's statement, not her in West's statement.

4:56 I haven't seen that.

4:57 No, Yeah, people are like when Weston answered, Amanda said after the statement, Wes's body language stiffened and she doubled down because she didn't say which statement, and that if I did which January and Kyle said she rushed him to make that statement and said we have to do it now. She wanted some dip sorry, she wanted some dip.

5:22 So if that theory and think about this, right, if the theory that the statement because Amanda chooses her words carefully, because you guys know, I think she's a suckubist. But if a mana choose her words carefully, she says statements, so she's not technically lying, right, And she was rushing Kyle so heavily because of the statement, and she said last week, I woke up on New Year's Day and realized this needed to end. There's been video that's come out now of Wes on New Year's Eve and Amanda's jacket is in the frame. Who First of all, look journalism, okay.

6:00 Never had time with their hands to do that. Come work with Kingdom Rate Entertainment. We are accepting applications the way I.

6:07 Was gonna flood y'all with video. I said that Blue, you can't keep on sending these people's videos. It's three am. They're gonna take you're crazy. But in the videos, because you know, okay, I like research. Maybe I'll start doing that before part four that we're being held captive. But they literally showed Amanda in the opening episode. I think it was of in the city. She's wearing this Hounds Too jacket, right, and Wes has her and westby sharing clothes.

6:30 They have similar tastes because they both have boys, and that same house too jacket is in the frame of West dancing on New Year's Eve wherever he was. So if we go with this threat and we pull it and Amanda's with West on New Year's even stead of Kyle, right, and she wakes up that morning and says, yeah, it's over now. Kyle is like, why are you rushing me to break up with? Like first to put out this statement in the beginning of January? What's going on? And then she says she didn't get no until after the statement.

6:59 The point of tension in part three is the fact that everyone's saying, well, why would Dave Portnoy say, by the time it got to the Super Bowl a month later, first week of February, that your friends were already seeing you as a couple. Well, my friends would be seeing me as a couple if I spent New Year's Eve with him. Made my husband put out a statement under dress and started getting piped down in the weeks leading up to the Super Bowl. So I just think it's funny that all these theories tend to click in perfectly with the point of contention that the investigators known as Sierra and Kyle and Lindsay have brought up. It all clicks in perfectly. If the statement she's talking about was doing in January and not the one that happened in April.

7:37 Well, I actually believe that theory because the thing is this, The reason why Amanda and West failed miserably at this reunion is because, yes, it was the pressures of the audience watching and being dragging all those things, and.

7:51 That is that it's something serious.

7:53 But also they were overly prepped and me being a producer, y'all know this.

8:00 You two know this, and I think my audience knows this.

8:02 Anytime there's a reunion rain Drops, the casts have meetings, they.

8:07 Go over things.

8:08 They're overly prepare themselves. That's why we have this thing called rehearsed reads, because they're overly prepared for the assignment. And Sierra and West timeline Amanda not add up to me. And I now believe this theory because even when Mia was clocking it like hold on but you, Amanda was running into West's arm when he came through the door and I said, Amanda did her I'm not mad that Mia did her research, baby, and they flashed back to it and she had another example where Wes is grabbing I mean, he's hugging Amanda and like grabs her breast, so like from the back.

8:52 None of my homeboys grabbed me from the back under my teeth, that's Lindsay.

8:57 And Mia said that you've never grabbed You've never grabbed us life like that, and it was so weird when they played back. I remember watching that episode and being but obviously when you watch this entire season, nothing gets past you now because it's a horror show.

9:11 Everything looked suspicious.

9:12 But I remember watching that episode like if there was any reason for me to believe that they started some shit last summer, this is this is now my proof. Like this makes me look at them very much sideways.

9:23 It was that and like.

9:24 I told you, Carlos and we were talking about that, that when she was happy that West pulled her or pulled his chair next to her, I'm glad. Mia said that, like you were fine with us in the kitchen, and then it wasn't until you saw West and you walked.

9:37 Up when you pulled your chair up next to me.

9:40 I went to run to you.

9:42 It was Whendy, you still playing in the background. I'm like, girl, what happened?

9:46 Like you were so emotional.

9:48 I do believe it's an emotional fair. The reason why I'm calling bullshit is based on all the intel I've been doing. I need to touch some grass. It feels like they are resting on the laura of They didn't sleep each other penetration wise until January when that statement came out, and the fact that they've been having an emotional affair with extra touchy feely the amount of times that Wes's mouth touched a man of scalp fore head, kisses back of the head, kisses side of head. If she had a kitchen, he'd be kissing that. I'm so sorry.

10:18 That is not friendship. Okay, girls, when we hang out in public, I don't want you kissing in the back of my neck. I'm gonna start to have to call Lindsey for hr right. That's not friendship. Can we all admit we saw an emotional affair that got sexual in January after the statement.

10:34 And Kyle was low key clocking that, did you guys? Hear at that point when Kyle was like, he was like, I'm gonna ask you one more time, like was there any like physical thing, And Lindsey was like, well it was emotional and Kyle was like, well I can't prove that, right, like Kyle, no, Kyle, yeah, yeah, No.

10:51 It's interesting because even when Amanda said that, you know, when they asked her like what made you want to come clean?

10:59 You know, you come clean because of a speculation.

11:03 Or because of your friendship for Sierra, she was like, no, I can't clean because of the speculation, Like it had nothing to do with my friendship with Sea Era at all. And that's when you did realize, like you really, unfortunately are just a terrible person.

11:19 Well, she didn't just say speculation, she said Mia. She said she came forward because she was trying to figure out there was speculation, and she was also when he said why are you messed up? Though, like why are you messed up about this? Right? And she said I messed up about this is because of Sierra, you know, and the friendship, and she the worst come out her mouth.

11:38 She said, well, I was trying to figure out what was happening with him and Mia, and I was and I was like, wait a minute, pause pause, pause, pause, pause, Oh sorry, may you know I can't me and I may I apologistis I'm bad with names and vowels. Chiad. You got a lot of vowels. I'm gonna call her M right, lady m that's some pick me behavior when you're already messing with the guy that broke your best friend's heart. You're not worried about her feelings. You're worried about being a pick me to his current girlfriend, who you're trying to win against. The fact that you mentioned the girlfriend's name and not Sierra and what was stressing you out during that time tells me you just want to win West you didn't care about Sierra. That's nasty work.

12:14 Bruh m hm ugh.

12:19 Dude, you guys, what were your thoughts when the whole pronounce your names.

12:25 Means it's mayha.

12:27 So they keep saying me ha on this, yeah they do. But somebody on threads is like, it's may Ha. Well, you know what, now that I think about it, Why am.

12:34 I believing somebody on threads?

12:36 It's like cans and cons. You don't you know, if we can't say cans or cons, we still don't know which one it is. Which one is I.

12:42 Always say, I always say Khan, I.

12:44 Fancy yeah, somebody we're trying to sound fancy tomato.

12:48 But it might be I'm editing a video right now where I constantly say tomato because it hilarious.

12:55 So that's why you say, all right, so let's see her, lady. And I think Sierra and the ex Joining Forces is a little delicious, a lot of messy, but a little delicious because she's the thing. The fact that even in the preview we are jumping ahead in the preview for episode four when we get took as an audience and have to watch this another week, when they talk about how Mayhaw or me, how we don't know which one says.

13:21 After the reunion, Wes texted her, you win, You won like you bested me in this game of chess. That is how you bolog What did y'all feel about that? How did y'all feel knowing that the fourth wall is crumbling in front of our eyes as.

13:35 Much it had to it had to.

13:37 The thing is this every And that's why I was saying how Wes and Amanda were overly prepped to the point where there was nothing humanizing about them because they wanted to make sure to not have America hate us any further, which was why, in hindsight, I do appreciate brab Over saying, let's remove the stage lights, the beautiful guy here, we the Franklin and just focus more on the verite of seeing these people back in New York City in their tiny apartments having a conversation and with no makeup because no shade.

14:11 I was like, who are these people?

14:13 It's my first time watching this show, right, and I'm like, oh, this has been without glam got it? So yes, I do believe that when it comes to West, something just is off about that because even when he revealed that he was not in an exclusive relationship with Lady m miha maiha, and Sierra was like, but you sent her flowers on Valentine's Day.

14:37 Like that's boyfriend behavior.

14:41 Now, as somebody who don't have holes in different area codes. If you're seeing someone flowers on Valentine's Day.

14:50 Fourteen months in so it's not noon fourteen months of a non relationship.

14:55 It now makes sense why, yes, she really did think you guys were in an exclusive relationship.

15:01 Dominate West is a fuck boy.

15:05 Wes is the fuck boy, like, of course, like you strung this girl along. You said, she thought you guys are in an exclusive relationship, but you weren't in one, Like you were totally telling her that she was your girlfriend.

15:18 You know what I'm saying.

15:19 So it's like, none of this is new, none of this shocks me about him, because what we know about him is that he's a fuck boy and that's just what fuck boys do.

15:27 And Amanda's a fuck boy trapper though, and she's very good at trapping fuck boys. And I think it's interesting that Wes admitted he was not exclusive to Amanda until she forced him to put out the statement. Again, she this woman, Kyle and Western two fuck boys, and she's a fuck boy trapper. There's a hierarchy here. And the minutes at the top, he said, they were like, why didn't you become exclusive? Well after the statement, a gun had no George because now the whole world, you know.

15:55 So I the same way she forced Kyle to put out statement number one so she could get some peen, she forced West to put out statement number two because in her own words, she was worried by Maya or Miha. Right, So it's like the first one gets me out of this mess so I can get laid. The second one makes him exclusive to me because his actual girlfriend is still lingering. That is entrapment. In my opinion, that is this girl. And I will say this. I put a note when Kyle said he was texting West while West was in Miami about him and Amanda not having a sex life, not knowing Amanda was sitting next to him.

16:29 That broke my heart. And I don't cry for white men very often. That broke my heart.

16:35 Girl and guy, Okay, I literally put that in my notes too, and.

16:39 It says heartbreaking. It's so heartbreaking.

16:42 Literally that Kyle texting us about their sex life while he was out with Amanda is so heartbreaking.

16:47 I knew we'd be on the same page. That's nasty word.

16:50 That was so fucking sad.

16:52 Like there were a couple of instances, like on this reunion stage where I was like, you can feel how you want to feel about like the way Kyle was as a husband, and we just display from him. This show was actually very sad to see all multiple fronts because I have historically all three parts.

17:08 Since the scandal broke.

17:10 Carlos, I have been kind of like I don't know, like if I really want, like if I really believe that's Erra and Amanda were like best friends like that.

17:17 This whole display of.

17:18 This reunion, I was like, renig, I'm a renigger because I'm taking back. It was so sad, like Sierra crying, like them playing the clips back of Sierra uplifting Amanda before they left the house, like Amanda even saying like Andy asking them flat out like were you guys friends for the show? I guess a question came in, were you guys just friends for the show or were you really close friends in real life?

17:41 And Amanda saying no, we were really close friends in real life.

17:44 Every display from this reunion had me like in my chest so many different MoMA hit me in my chest and I was like.

17:50 This is actually very very sad.

17:53 Take the TV out of it, take the entertainment out of it.

17:55 This shit is just like really sad for real.

17:58 Just sobbing.

18:00 Yeah.

18:00 Even so, speaking of Sierra and Amanda's friendship, when they play the montage of their friendship and again first time watching this show, I was like, Oh, you guys really were best friends, Like to be able to see that and Amanda's being stone cold after they play the package and she's like, look, I was a friend who did a really shitty thing, and Sierra said, you're still doing a really shitty thing. And the part that I wanted to get your ladies on is when si Era pretty much tells Amanda that he is with you to spike me.

18:38 I still don't buy that. I still don't agree with that. I don't think I don't think West cares enough about Sierra to like deliberately go after Amanda just to spite her. Is that a byproduct of it? Possibly, but I don't think that was his goal here, because Sierra's biggest complaint about Wes was that he doesn't see her right, So, like someone who doesn't see you, they can't like concoct a plan to just go after your best friends who spite you if they don't really see you in that way.

19:06 So I just don't think that that was his sole motivation in doing this and going after Amanda.

19:12 I think someone who doesn't see you doesn't put that much energy into you until everybody else sees you and they resent the fact that they didn't see you coming. So for me, I think here's the part and this is going to be a roundabout way of answering this question. There's a part where Lindsay says, you guys clearly didn't think this through. I actually disagree with that. I actually think they thought it through, and they both saw Sierra as disposable and underestimated how beloved she would be. So I think he didn't see her as far as he didn't center her when they were dating. But I think he and Amanda have been increasingly annoyed by how much love she's gotten. I've actually been the sidekick who ended

19:47 up being a main character, and I've seen what happens to the main character with when that happens. They don't see you, they think you're inconsequential. Suddenly you're more popular than them. Now there's a very special breed of resentment when the main character realizes that the side kick wasn't a psychic at all. And I think that's what's happening with Wes and Amanda. I think they actually bonded over their resentment about Sierra. When you saw them together, they used to be even within the city, right, there was a little trifecta, and Amanda's holding their hand like, oh, I love this so much, right and in that moment, it's Sierra and West on one side as the couple that finally make up, and Amanda's the married friend who's

20:19 going through a hardship on the other side. Every single time we talk about the fact that Amanda and Sierra had this amazing friendship that Montage reminded me of the help. You was good, You was smart, you was kind, You was important, Like Sierra was supposed to be a supporting character to Amanda and she was supposed to be a throwaway to Wes. Right now, the audience has fallen in love with Sierra, and I do think that I'm gonna keep on going back to this. When West sat down, because even a broken clock is right twice a day, he sat down and said to Sierra, I will admit there are things I have done recently to you that I can admit now retrospective, because I resented you. I think that resentment that he's already admitted to. I don't

20:59 think he's centered her as far as I'm only to being with Amanda. I think the fact that I'm getting films for Amanda, and I think Amanda is more beloved than both you and Kyle. So if me and Amanda get together after Kyle has done this thing and I've been her night in Shining Armor, it positions me in a really good space where I've reformed, I'm with somebody who's popular, and it's almost like a redemption arc from Sierra.

21:22 I honestly think that Amanda and what's his name West, they thought this was gonna be redemption arc. They thought that them pretending that they fell in love surprisingly after a breakup's gonna redeem both of them. They both underestimated how loved the black girl was.

21:38 Yeah, but they wouldn't have known that. They didn't know that until after they got together. Right, So like he wouldn't have he wouldn't have known which.

21:44 Got together, the one which statement, the first one, the second one? The kids? What do you mean after wish got together? Because because to me, I think that when they talked about we discussed this. I don't think they discussed this. That's why Lindsay's so so confused. Lindsey thinks they discussed their impact and harm on other people and must not have seen how obviously it was that they were going to hurt people and did it. Anyways, I think they discussed how they could still packages to make them palable to the audience. I think that was the discussion that happened of how do we sell this to the audience where it's palatable that we're together? What we are the friends turned lovers unexpectedly thing everybody thinks. Kyle's

22:20 of Purana, who's always saying fuck you, right, and poor Sierra, she and I are cool, so we can convince her to be cool about it. I think they weren't discussing impact and harm. I think they were discussing branding, and they again underestimated how loved Sierra was going to be. The love for Sierra is the only reason the plan didn't work. It's the only reason they got caught by Sierra, and she was loved. That Sierra hadn't caught them and she wasn't so loved it actually would have worked. We've seen this actually work before on different kind of shows.

22:46 So you were saying that if they would have been found out as a couple and Sierra didn't have a negative reaction to it, that no.

22:54 No, If they hadn't been pushed to come out so early, if they had been able to say we divorced, it in January, but now it's the following summer, and shockingly, West has been there for me these last six months, and love blossomed kind of naturally out of nowhere, and Sierra was kind of put in a position where she has to be like, well, this hurts my feelings, but I have to be if they hadn't been caught and had been able to roll it out, this actually would have worked. We've watched this work before. The reason she even says she came out with the second statement was because a video came out. There was evidence coming out, and we wanted to get ahead of it. That thwarted their plan, and now needed to thwart their plan. Sierra,

23:31 who's used to say you was good, you was kind of important, stopped playing mammy and said fuck you. Yes.

23:36 But even in all of that, right, that's still she's disposable. But that still means that his sole purpose in this wasn't just to fight the soul.

23:47 Yeah, we both agreed. I don't think it's a byproduct. I think that in the words of Sierra, she even said this, this just shows how disposable I was. I'm agreeing with si Era that he is fighting her because she's disposable doesn't mean he wasn't fighting her at or I think that he was fighting her. It wasn't the main thing, but I do think it was a factor, and I think he thought she was disposable enough to spite her. I do think that they both have they thought she was disposable, and he's already a minute to having resentment towards her. So to her it's like, oh, you get to have this redemption arc where I'm thrown away and you get to take my best friend from me.

24:20 That's an extra bit of a dig on your way out, like an extra little bit of a pinch on your way out. I think she's actually correct speaking on it. I just don't think it was the main focus. I think Wes's main focus is always gonna be West.

24:30 It's always exactly exactly Wes is all all about Wes.

24:34 Lindsay was clocking it.

24:35 If he gets some more followers, if he gets something out of it, he's gonna do it.

24:39 Lindsay clocked a lot, and I love that she mentioned that they're fucking with the money. The quote directly because I had to. This is the only quote that I really wrote down. Was Lindsay said and I said, Andy, this is so leo. I didn't learn anything. I feel like there's not a lot of clarity. Why did it take today such a big decision at such a high risk for you guys to say that you made all the decisions but you didn't. It affects people's friendships, people's livelihoods, and their careers and today's day that you just thought about that. It's very shortsighted for a hookup.

25:09 Which, by the way, I will say this, Lindsay got some balls because as a reunion host, there is nothing more insulting than to spend ten hours doing your job for talent to say, hey, I learned nothing today.

25:24 You're like.

25:26 That is that why? So there's a rule that Andy doesn't like Lindsay.

25:32 I mean, look, I don't know if that's true or not.

25:34 I will say this as a reunion host and a producer.

25:38 Teacher, I didn't hear that one.

25:39 That's ill God I would have been if if Latitia's got right, I learned nothing this whole time failed you're telling me I felt at my job and I mean, I like you today, so okay, because.

25:56 I was thinking that when they went, Because she said that after they came back from break, Like, did somebody prep her like in the back and tell her to come out and say that as a way for us to like lead into this, like my heart that they were going to do. But now that you're saying this, Carlos, I don't think anybody would instruct her to say that if it was going to be assaulting to Andy, but I.

26:15 Was when she came back, Oh should we start again? Welcome to the reunion, like he's been back with some shade.

26:21 Yes, he threw the shade back. But I do think to your point, thought I could listen. As a producer, I'm always curious about the stuff they let in, right.

26:31 Like for example, on Potomac, when they let in.

26:34 Giselle saying I ain't got a package, I said, oh, Gazel, baby, that was a choice. They kept it in the episode. That's a message for you, trust me. So when I saw Lindsey say that, my first reaction was why do I keep that in?

26:49 You know, like, why was that in?

26:51 But to your point, Jazz, I do think it had they kept it in so that we understood why this fourth part was happening too. Because all thing listen, Andy did the best he could based on the beta blockers that they were on. And that's another reason why they kept that in is because.

27:14 Yes, there was nothing they weren't they weren't present. Sierra got mad at that. Sierra's a nurse and said, stop saying beta blockers. They're just said on the inside. She said, beta blockers don't do that. So Sierra, as a nurse, gave a clinical breakdown of why it's not beta blockers, they're just sociopaths.

27:29 The girls are also saying that they were on benzos, like, I don't look, I don't like accusing people of taking.

27:40 The range Johns, what is that a benzo?

27:44 It's like like a xanax or like a ad evan or something. Oh my gosh, I have very bad flight anxiety. So ever so often I have to take one when I fly. I'm be said on the plane like turbulence, that's fine.

28:00 I have dental anxiety and my dentist will have to give me a xenax so I don't jump up in the middle of the surgery. Child.

28:05 Yeah, like you just you're just you're so chill and like it's just like nothing really bothers you. Like one time on a plane y'all. I was so afraid because it was storming out. I was asking the fighters in and I was like, is there a way for me to like get off the plane? And she was like, no, right, the doors are closed. They had the pilot, they had the The pilot came in like spoke to me. I was flying by myself, right, the pilot came to talk to me. I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna take. I'm just gonna take a ZX, I was saying.

28:29 And mind you, it was storm and so there was a lot of turbulence.

28:31 I was like, if we go down, we just go down. That's how the xanax ass you. Like, Normally I would be like freaking out, like no, but I I.

28:39 Was like, may I may I ask how recid was this moment where you wanted to get off of a moving plane?

28:48 No, the plane, it was.

28:49 On the we hadn't left yet, but the doors were closed.

28:53 Oh okay, guys like try to hold space for you friends, Like that's a wild story. Turned the plane around.

29:03 Y'all thought I was on that bitch asking like can I get a parachute?

29:06 I thought you was a no flylist.

29:11 Very very very good fight Sandy. No, the plane, the doors were closed. We just hadn't taken off yet, we hadn't pulled back.

29:17 Got it, got it.

29:18 It was raining, and I was just like.

29:20 So it Keith, Okay, So I mean listen, I just think they and Day I mean Amanda in West.

29:27 I just think they wanted to come across.

29:31 Somber.

29:32 But it worked for me, even even Amanda's.

29:35 Pr response, which he told Sierra, you don't deserve a friend like me.

29:41 Mike, that's fuck boy. One on one boy Catcher knows how to speak. Fuck boy.

29:47 Let me ask, Let me ask you guys this, what could they have done?

29:52 Though?

29:52 Like I feel like they were in a lose lose situation. Is there anything that they could have done that would have made them look better?

29:58 Yes? Hit it, Carlos.

30:02 Okay, and this is me speaking.

30:04 Okay, as a producer and a host of reunions, I would have wanted them to say, look, this looks fucked up, because it is fucked up.

30:18 We fucked up. Okay, I'm human, no excuses. It was a fucked up thing to do.

30:24 I am aware that all of you guys are mad at me, and you have every right to be. I don't have anything else to give. Besides, I made a horrible mistake. I did it with intention, I did it fully conscious. I know this makes me look bad. However, I really wanted.

30:43 To give this a try. I had to.

30:46 I was not in the best place romantically with my husband, and I wanted.

30:50 To see if this could work in Sierra. I'm sorry.

30:54 I know that means nothing to you, but I had to sacrifice my friendship for you to see if this was going to work. And if it doesn't work, I would I would lose him. I lost a friend. But I had to go through life wondering if this was worth it and when own it.

31:13 First of all, owning it is not Amanda right. One plus one is still not seven, so she'd have to be a whole new person. Here's the thing about Amanda. The first way to fix it, to answer your question, just because this is a good question, is to break up with him. Right. The first way to fix it would have to be like, I was selfish and naive and said everything Carlos said, and I've decided that repairing all these fractured relationships means more to me than six weeks of questionable pen right. So that was the only way to truly fix it, because the only way to truly apologize is to improve behavior. Being with Wes is not improving behavior, especially if you're running out to Italy to a wedding with him right after the reunion.

31:52 To spit in his mouth.

31:54 They're run after a wedding right afterwards. Boot up. Okay, so bullshit. Second thing is when Andy says to No, you don't understand y'all. I think I took a bit of blocker because I've been I've been wanting to scream this entire time that lady is evil.

32:09 She is malificit.

32:10 You understand me. She is so evil. Imagine doing all that knowing that you had a flight booked to go to Italy with them right after this. She felt something there. She had expressions in Italy chewing on the poste. But anyways, when Annie said chewing on the pasta girl full teeth, all her teeth, all of a sudden she can smile.

32:30 When Annie said was it worth it? Rather than saying yes, it was worth it? This my man, my man, my baby, my baby, right like Megan Dee of the Stallions or saying now it wasn't worth the child. This is a high fucking mess, but you know I'm in it now. She said, I wish I could have had them both. You're a sociopath. You are a sociopath. That your answer to wasn't worth it is. I wish I could still have a black side kids playing Mammy and the fucking nigga that. Let me tell y'all something real quick about about socio past, Amanda.

33:06 Do in I I think it might have been.

33:10 I'm trying so hard to behave Do you understand how much hubrist it takes to be cussed out for seven hours and still fix your mouth to say I kind of want it both. I wanted you to keep on telling me you were smart, you was kind, you was important, and I still wanted to get dick down and be chosen by the unchoosable to me that that one snippet is Amanda's character or lack there of any. And when Kyle says, and mind you, it's Kyle who's saying it, because again Kyle's not the devil, He's just immature and stupid in an easy mark right, he said, my heart is breaking because I know your parents are gonna have to see this, Amanda. And then even when he stood there staring at West. Everybody left, including Cerr, staring at

33:51 West like, just explain to me why you would do this to me? And Amanda walks in and he walks up to her and he says, it is breaking my heart that you were making a ten year relationship looked like it was one hundred percent bad.

34:02 Yeah, and like her hugging him. What did you guys, What did you guys think when she walked back to the stage and she just put her arms out to hug Kyle and he started crying, Like what what.

34:13 Did you guys?

34:14 Did you guys get the feels for him?

34:19 Yeah?

34:19 Yeah, for him?

34:20 Yeah I did. Yeah.

34:22 Yeah, She's a SOCIOPATHO who's used to him crying while she stands there waiting for her next Q.

34:27 You know, it's so crazy. It's so crazy that you say that, because I was like, what am I sensing right now? Like it looked like she was anticipating him, like she to her hugging him, And I was like, is this sinister?

34:40 Is this just a woman who knows her.

34:41 Man of she was the baby, She's used to doing this. She's always burping while he's having real feelings, and she's plotting his demise. She was just burping the baby.

34:50 You know, there is this debate even amongs to you two right about whether or not West did this to Spight.

34:58 Sierra again a new viewer of this show.

35:01 And just seeing behavior, I felt like a man that did this to Spike.

35:08 Kyle.

35:09 Absolutely, they bond I wrote in my notes. They bonded.

35:13 I was gonna say, I think I feel like we may have lightly touched on this the last recap or maybe the one before with you and not Carlos. I I one hundred percent think that she was getting some some gear back.

35:24 Absolutely, yeah, And I think I think her seeing Kyle cry at the reunion was satisfying to her. She enjoyed it because she's like, yeah, hurt, motherfucker. I want you to hurt, I want you to bleed.

35:38 Yes, yes, I remember exactly when we were talking about it, because it was when she was saying, Kyle is crying because I said I didn't like going out with him and the knife yep, exactly exactly. So No, she totally was is trying to hurt Kyle.

35:50 Absolutely, I'm gonna keep saying this. West resented the fact that Sierra, who's supposed to be girl number six of three hundred and sixty six. Somehow caught him slipping and had a whole year of him looking bad, and his little fragile ego couldn't take it. Forget her. He just hated that it looked bad on her, right, on him right.

36:09 Amanda resented Kyle for a myriad of reasons. I do think that the two of them, as supporting characters to these larger than life figures, have a sixth sense of satisfaction that they're being centered, even if it's bad. I actually think Wes enjoyed the reunion. I think Wes has never been more centered on the show in the entire time that he's been there. He loved every moment, which is why when she ran off crying and was gone for an hour, he didn't want to get to go see her. It was an hour. A lot of people have DM me who I can't say to my own people in trouble. People have let me know from the streets Bebby was gone for a full hour. That's why Stierra was like, Ah, what you mean were about to

36:50 pull the cars? And that's the next question. It's been sixty four minutes of her trying to gather herself. She needed to come out here.

36:57 And mother Harbard. See I'm learning, Lindsey said on thrassl Jasmine. On Twitter, she confirmed it was definitely an hour like and and listens to think about reality stars, especially especially when it comes to the females of the show Baby if they can, if they if they get a glimmer of preferential treatment of Baby, all Hell's break loose. So I definitely think that it had to be an hour.

37:26 I definitely think Wes enjoyed this reunion.

37:29 He is he.

37:31 Listen, fuck boys like eating amount of attention they get.

37:35 And let's be clear, in the world.

37:38 Of boys, right brotherhood, Wes is winning amongst them.

37:45 Yeah, bro, you did that ship. You know you got these girls. That's our men think. Get his goods find over you man needed it. So Wes in his silo world of bros, he's winning.

37:56 But on this reality show, unfortunately, he's in the one group of men that are soft and tender, very water signed energy, very These are tenderonies. These are not the frat boys. He's around a bunch of men who want wives and girlfriends, and who want to have investment properties and who want to like do the thing and do life with somebody, so he picked the one group where this wouldn't work. Yes, yeah, that's what's blowing him because he's used to being applauded for this.

38:22 Which listen, Can y'all explain Jesse to me? The water works someone?

38:27 Yeah, I it made me uncomfortable because I was like, why are you dude? What's going on here?

38:37 Go ahead, go aheads.

38:38 Did you guys watch the Peacock version because apparently the version that okay, so apparently what aredon Bravo Live they cut out apart. So in the Peacock version, they left in the part where Jesse says he just had an instnse where one of his best friends slept or hooked up with his ex, and he was feeling emotional about that because it just hit a little too close to home for him.

38:59 So that to why he was crying.

39:01 But I too, Before he said that, I was like, you are so emotional, like are you coming down from something?

39:06 Is it a bad day? Like what was going on?

39:09 I actually understood it because I did some research on Jesse, just because he's always been an interesting weird bird. To me, Jesse is someone who survived cancer, and when yeah, he survived testicular cancer, and when he survived cancer, his guy friends were his brothers who kept him afloat and from being suicidal. Right, So, for him as a cancer survivor who sees West as a brother who he's poured his heart out to, and he's seen Kyle as a brother, the boys really bonded because they were going through some stuff.

39:39 So you have I think, is it kJ that those are the issues. kJ was finding out that he had borderline personality disorder and had a whole mental health break. Jesse was dealing with the fact that, you know, remission and making sure he's okay. His music career is coming out, so he's feeling vulnerable. So it's like for Jesse as someone who has recently been betrayed by a best friend oh sorry a friend, seeing his bestist friend do the very same thing that just happened to him, which means, oh, you're just like the person who just broke my heart and say him friends are family because they helped him through his cancer scare. I actually completely understood why he was so emotional, just as one of those people where

40:16 his friends really are his family, like sincerely his family and even Kyle. The reason why Amanda was able to turn Kyle into whatever she was able to turn him to his because Kyle's always has his hands for like a baby, Kyle always needs affirmation. These are very sensitive men who were finally in a setting. It's like alpha women and a bunch of beta men, right, That's what the show has been like since the beginning. So in this show of alpha women and beta men, the men have always been tender. The men have always been soft.

40:41 The men have always had romances that felt like family. And they even said, even Ben said it, I'm new here, even I know what's at steak. You were the nucleus. You were the most alpha male in our boy group. We all saw you as the leader of the pack, and you betrayed all of us in one swoop. They even said, when you were in Miami with Amanda texting Kyle about them that in the sex life, knowing that you want to stoop her next, Why aren't we invited? Wait?

41:04 You think they saw West as the leader of the pack. I always thought Kyle was the nucleus.

41:08 No, Kyle was. Kyle was the nucleus until Amanda tripped away. She's been working in my theory from last week, she's been working to throw him for quite a while and it's been working. Kyle has been losing favor as a leader and now has been seen as the person victimizing Amanda more and more throughout the years, and as he stepped down, that's when West started to step up as the alpha. The only thing that stopped Wes from being the alpha was Sierra. Sierra was the first chink in West being the alpha, and then when he made up with her, hep he got back up there. So it's like he got down because of a girl, got back up because he made up with her. But now he's stopping Amanda.

41:41 He's back down again, which would make sense again new watcher, but based.

41:45 On his time. Carlos says, he's a new viewer.

41:52 Because I love learning the job.

41:54 When Ben said leader of the pack, I was like, oh, I can see how with Kyle being seen as a basket case and Wes being so alpha, you are the next in line. He really was next in line if this plan had worked. The gag is, guys, if this plan had actually worked, I think it would have actually worked.

42:10 Well this one wanted to ask you, I think it would have worked. We know when it comes to men, right, there are some, not all, Some men like to humble a woman who's used to being the bad chick. Right, There's something sinister about him humbling her, whether it's knocking her down the side, treating her a different way so that she can feel like you're you should be happy to be with me.

42:35 It's called negging. N E G G I N G negging.

42:38 So do we think that Amanda was negging Kyle? Because again, Kyle to me is the face of the show. Though, if you're saying that she's been knocking him down, is it because she's been trying to humble him to get him down to size?

42:55 And Wes saw an end.

42:57 To get into that position, amongst being the face.

43:02 Of the shell.

43:02 Which look, I'm only watching next season fully to see all of them together.

43:10 It's a million dollar season, it's gonna be They're all gonna get like seven figures. It's a million dollar season if they do it.

43:17 Do you think that was Amanda's intention to nag Kyle so that she can just humble him down to size?

43:28 I have a strong judge. You want to go? Do you want to go?

43:31 Now?

43:31 You can go?

43:31 Because I don't have an opinion on this.

43:32 I think doing some friends of good time, I'm what's wrong with me? Child? I just be playing hit and I have triple virgal placements. So excuse me if I just watch things over and over again and take notes repeatedly. It's a tick of mine. I think that if Amanda was being true to herself, the crossroad and her narrative would have been the wedding, because when they got married, everybody was saying, don't marry him. Everything so obviously bad.

43:54 Don't marry him. So all of us, they ones myself included, were shocked when she went through with the wedding, right. I think in her mind she thought that humbling him would give her an out when she married him. I think that humbling him was like, when I leave him, I can still have my everything attached to the show, because you all understand when I'm leaving him, because he's this, he's that, he's this, he's that, he's this. Right, However, here's the thing to your point, right, and this is the point you both have made, Kyle and Amanda were I hate to use this analogy because Amanda does not deserve to be aligned with this person. They were the jay Z and Beyonce of Summerhouse. If Beyonce one day

44:30 lost her mind and started talking shit about Hole, right, if Beyonce one day lost her mind and just started saying, Hoho, ain't this hoove? Ain't this whole? Ain't this hove? Ain't that right? And then out of nowhere, she starts hanging out with Ja Cole, and j Cole is friends with Hole, so Hove is confiding in him. If j Cole was on some functionhit, he knows if Hope is gone, I get to be the next Hop. That's West mentality, Jack, is what you've been circling around all this time that you've been talking about West being sinister, he thought he because she was the Beyonce by default that if Kyle's on his way out and you're taking him out already, and I support you in taking him out, when you and I get together, I'm the next Hope just by

45:15 proximity to Kyle.

45:17 Because to your point, if Beyonce ever utters a bad word about jay Z, I included everybody.

45:26 I'm done with jay Z.

45:27 The house was done with Kyle. The house was like, oh my god.

45:31 And that's why when I suppose to jazz about this weeks ago, when again, she was the first part to tell me, like, this entire reunion was supposed to be, was supposed.

45:40 To be how much we all hate Kyle.

45:43 Yeah, so fascinating is this was supposed to be Amanda's winning season.

45:48 It was supposed to Kyle's funeral. We were supposed to be showing up to Kyle's funeral, and instead we showed up to a reckoning.

45:56 His redemption, his renaissance.

45:57 Okay, the irony, crazy, the crazy part, the crazy part.

46:02 I love this show.

46:03 West not just done this. How Wes just like left Amanda alone? He was up next anyway, because Kyle would have eventually left to go and do in the City. All they needed was like a season or two for in the City to really get into his groove. Kyle would have left the Hampton's permanently, and West, you would have been a bitch.

46:21 But guess why? But guess what? And this, Oh my god, I love how these theories. We're We're so good together. All three was what is the only thing that can fuck up the perfect plan of a fuck boy? The fuck boy trapper? Right, Because if you watch in the City and Carlos, You're the reason why I watched it.

46:38 You see how it's awful, Sir.

46:39 I love the city.

46:40 By the way, and in the city, when West and si Era make up and go meet up Amanda and they're like, why are we here, She's like, Oh, I got my own apartment. Wes looked shocked because West is realizing, oh, you're speeding up the timeline, bitch, what you mean you at your own apartment. I had a plan. We were supposed to dog walk this so that I could be the next hole, right, and so Amanda speedwalking getting her an apartment. West looked like row go playing back this literally tiktoks it like him.

47:09 Going work, what's your meaning?

47:10 Apartment? You mean over there? Like he's pointing it to the yonder like he's confusion. Right, Amanda keeps Wes had the perfect plan, and Amanda's thirst and her own personal agenda kept tripping him up. West is thinking we're gonna do this slowly. Amanda wakes up from his house allegedly allegedly on New Year's Day. I'm telling Kyle, then we don't have to put out the statement about the divorce tomorrow.

47:28 West is like, wait, what's happening. Wait's like even Coyle's like, wait, why are we rushing this? Kyle was like, she called me in a rush to put out the statement Amanda keeps undermining West's plan, even him being monogamous. He was like, yeah, I had a girl Riom for fourteen months. I also had other bitches. But I guess because of all this stuff, I gotta be monogamous to the man, because that second statement.

47:49 Every time Amanda goes rogue, West plans get fucked up because she has her own agenda. She has her own.

47:55 Agenda, not listen, not to pick Sidnes. Amantha to me is the master of mind behind all of this thing.

48:02 Yes, which is why them thinking it's West is blowing my mind. His dumb mask he's getting. I'm sorry, let me relax.

48:08 You think you think she seduced him because he's the one that came on to her.

48:12 No, no, no, no, no, no, yeah, let me explain to you about how pigmies work. She out damseled everybody. The biggest thing that a West wants and this is what Sierra she ate with this. A man like West loves to feel big. What do they always tell you, they say, don't build a man, because the second you built him, he will leave you and find a woman who sees him with fresh eyes. Men like Wes, who have fragile egos like to be seen a big dog. I can't be seen his big dog if you saw me when I was broken. The fact that Amanda I want to run to you and plays damsel with him all the time.

48:42 He loves the reflection. She gets to be the hero with her. All the bad bitches he dates have a long list of how he's messed up. Look at the other girl, h Dana Dara, Theara's a girl. He ain't this, He ain't that because there's a bad bitch. Siarah's like, he ain't this every bad bitch.

48:57 To your point me from southern house mentality to the Latina.

49:00 She said the sex wasn't good.

49:02 All the baddies keep they all do, and his and his thing turns to the right, I mean to the left right. All the baddies keep clowning him. And here's Amanda. I think you're perfect. Thank you so much for sitting next to me. For someone who's ego is that fragile, she is the ultimate. And this this is a movie. I want you guys to watch real quick. It's called hard Candy.

49:21 The premise of the movie Hard Candy is a pedophile. What did the kids called pdf file? Bdfile? Right? A pdf file is hitting on a little girl in a chat room and goes to her house thinking he's about to do what pdf files do. The girls of sociopath, the little girls of Sociopath. She's hard Candy. He went to be a predator, not knowing that he was actually the prey. Amanda is hard Candy. West is everything you said, She's just worse. She lured him with the brokenness. I'm so broken. Oh my god. Even when they said, Amanda, you were fine, and the minute West came up in the room, you turned it on and became a victim.

50:00 That's what hard Candy does. They know that all you want is me to be a poor little damsel that you can save, and now you're eating out of the pop of my hand. Even when they were have the girl scout cookie, she said, don't eat it yet.

50:12 Bad part gush.

50:14 That's their real relationship.

50:16 It was such a small point because he was like, He's like, don't eat it yet.

50:20 That's the mastermind talking to the prey. I'm sorry you.

50:25 Down so quick, but wait rewind Mia said that.

50:29 Mia from the hospitality said the text wasn't good.

50:32 So these girls are doing all of this over some mid peed.

50:36 Yeah I've done that, I asked Mia. I said, yeah, iked me. I said, he's not attractive to me, but hey, to eat your sound. She said, no, he has swag. She said, look, he's a Bravo celebrity.

50:51 I'm one. He was in my DMS, you know whatever. She thought. It was a moment.

50:56 And she just said, like, you know, energy's energy, so maybe he got like some swag to something.

51:02 But she said, yeah, we smushed.

51:05 And I said no, the black community we say smash, and she goes, I believe you because I'm sure with a black man it would have been good enough to smash. I'm saying smush because it wasn't that good.

51:17 Yeah, I saw that. That was a good clip. That was a great clip. By the way, she's beautiful and he's pulling those type of girls by being a golden retriever. Road just can put me like I'm telling you.

51:30 I want to act like I'm confused, but I'm fronting.

51:34 I had a West before, so I can't lie because they watched the show and the probably gonna DM Carlos who talk about me. I fall for West before. I've had some med dick and and a golden retriever. But I thought so bad for him. Next thing, you know, my my pants were gone apples all the time.

51:45 That's what I'm saying.

51:45 I'm friend, I'm acting brand new because I'm married now. But there are some men, if they resurfaced, I do not know them.

51:53 I don't When Michaels saying lied about sleepiatory Lanes, I understood it. I will lie about I'm like, I don't know this man. I've never met this man. I will I've never.

52:02 Lost cloud chasing a cloud chaser.

52:05 And there was a video that came out.

52:06 They actually showed a clip of this in this part of their reunion where the boys all had the suit on and they were in the like DJ room, KYLESO the DJ room. I remember when West posted that video of them behind the scenes and they were all dancing. I remember thinking, and this is before all of this came out, mind you, so do not fucking crucify me.

52:26 I remember thinking there is something there, like I can see how you could be charmed. You might not find him attractive, but like, there's some men who are just like cool, and he was giving off a very cool vibe in that video.

52:39 So I do remember that when they showed that clip.

52:41 I was like, yeah, I remember, thinking, like, I can see how he could at least make women have women intrigued right like him.

52:49 She said he was my best friend. What is a man of saying he was my best friend? You will best friend and golden rechiever himself in to your draws. And any woman who's saying that she's never fallen for that is lying. Most of us have. It works exceptionally well.

53:02 And the last hold on, honey, I have.

53:05 A call, so so funny, went by so quick.

53:10 Yes, please thank you.

53:11 Oh that's a big old phone. Was that nineteen ninety four?

53:13 Don't do you.

53:17 In the back of a limo with.

53:21 Looka they heard you?

53:22 Hello?

53:24 Damn Yes, you can't thank you call.

53:35 Downstairs?

53:37 You said, what your gentleman caller is downstairs?

53:40 No, my room service? Thank you?

53:42 Why did you order room service? Child?

53:45 Amanda and West says they're not in love with each other, but where they are right now is they're having serious conversations about their relationship.

53:56 A man said that what's up? No a man a man that a man Ha said that West said no.

54:03 She said they're having question about it, which I find interesting.

54:10 I did go ahead, jah this lady.

54:16 I was gonna give you guys some moments.

54:20 No the thing that I thought, Yes, that was super funny her saying like they're having conversations about it. But I really was gagged that Wes was literally like, yeah know, we're exclusive, Like I'm in this relationship, like this is my girl, like this this is where I'm about to be for the time being. I thought that was interesting.

54:36 So while he didn't agree with a man Ha said they were having serious relationships about serious talks about loving each other, he still ten toes to like claim this relationship.

54:46 I thought that was interesting.

54:47 You also put the cookie down. She knows how to train dogs.

54:51 Yeah, yeah, I thought it was, like it's the right thing to say. I think they both look at this like our plan failed miserably and we just have to do this until we don't. And I don't think this is going to work.

55:07 Ever, I don't look forward to people's demise often. I do say, though, I am curious about how true karma is gonna work because, like we talked about last week, a large part of what why I believe they kept in the Lindsay checking Andy thing is this all goes down to the superhero who leaked those that audio. If we really believe the theory that the leaked audio showing the unfavorable responses of Amanda are why Bravo had to include so many things that showed the man as flaws because they couldn't protect her as one of the faces of in the city. That means now a lot of things that weren't gonna happen now have to be confronted.

55:54 And they knew that the reunion itself was not gonna do it right, so they're like, oh, okay, the part where Lindsay calls us out, we weren't gonna put that in because a Mana was gonna get a good edit. But since giving Amanda the edit we wanted is not gonna work, we can't because they've been doing this for ten years.

56:07 By the way, a lot of people DM me and said blue, there is a lot to substantiate the Amanda edit theory because there's been several seasons of Amanda edits that in retrospect. Rabo saw this and kept it out to make her look a certain way to play along with her. So there's a long history of the Amanda edit once the Amanda Edit without the window because of whoever leaked that audio. Now they're like Lindsey's right, we are gonna walk away feeling unsatisfied now that we know all this tea that's been spilled. This is the perfect way for us to put the Lindsay part back in as a moose boosch for part four. So I think that it wasn't in the reunion that they decided that they had to do Part four. I think the leak

56:40 actually was a lot more powerful And shout out to woever did it help you kept your job. I think the leak, even though it.

56:45 Was unprofessional is Jopah Lawrence, helped them find the go ahead.

56:50 The league was unprofessional, but the league did a thing. The league did its thing. I think we're getting the more honest version because of that leak. And so when Lindsay stuff about livelihood, Lindsay was already worried about the potential of what was gonna be air because Lindsay has been around for a long time, very much like Portia, you know. I like to compare them. Lindsay's been around for a very long time. The girl knows how this works.

57:11 It's like, wait a minute, if you're in in the city and he and in the city, but you're both belsbub now, it's gonna fuck get my money with my baby, right, Li's is think about her and her daughter. Right. This is a way for them to say face Bravo by saying, fine, we're gonna have Sierra and Mia have their ladies scorned. Whatever, We're gonna have. Wes finally talked to Kyle because he failed misserably in the reunion talking to Kyle and Kyle wants to talk, and we're gonna also have Kyle talking.

57:35 I mean Amanda talking to whoever the hell she's I blocked out Amanda whoever she's talking to in the clip, right, I think who was it, Lindsay Lindsay. Right. So, them talking to the groups that they have feels like a response to the lead to me, I think it's brilliant. I also think season seven, sorry that season seven, the next season of Summer House. Sierra, if she comes back, she's gonna have a lot of power.

58:03 She has to come back.

58:04 She has to come back seven. I think she's gonna she might get paid like Lindsay and cow money the next season because she's now the cornerstone of the how we see the rest of the franchise.

58:15 Everybody needs to come back for season eleven. Like, I don't believe in people like online saying they don't want to see Amanda and West back, Like bring them the funk back?

58:22 Are you kidding? That's the show I'm.

58:24 Watching if they come back.

58:25 By the way, you're scared you said, what Carlos.

58:28 I'm only watching if West and Amanda back. The thing about me is this, I have to see the full picture exactly.

58:37 That's that's my thing, right, Like I need to see a resolution, or like I need to see how they try to rebuild because what we know about TV and like I have talked about this before. I talked about this on the I Cannot podcast Jesse kJ Ben. They're all too new to have any leverage, so they can't say we don't want to film with West. Lindsay is not gonna say that, right, carl I don't think would say that. Kyle, I don't think will say that. The only person that might say I don't want to film with West is Sierra, and even Sierra I think could be convinced to do it right, especially if she's gonna be seen as like really powerful. She can still like shit on them, say everything that she wants to say.

59:18 But the rest of the cast, that's their check. They're all gonna be like they all have been at the reunion, like we don't know when we're gonna talk to him again. We hope, we don't know if things could be fixed. Next season of Summer House, we're gonna see Amanda and West be on an island by themselves for the first couple of episodes, and then they're gonna slowly make their way back into the group because the rest of the group still needs that money. They still need to be on the show, so they are gonna be able to make their way back into the group. Things might not be the way that they once were, but I don't see them being on an island by themselves, and I definitely don't see the entire cast refusing to film with them.

59:51 I do agree with you guys that objectively, they all have to come back just for the production sake. I also feel like, for me personally, the only way I would enjoy it, though, as if we watch them break up, I want to be there for them.

1:00:02 They're not but blue.

1:00:04 I want to watch it blow up in their faces. I want to see want. I want that sick pleasure. I'm letting my sacred race takeover that's happening. Yeah, I need to see this, this blow up in everybody's face. Right, So the sinister part of me who's been clocking this girl for ten years and finally feel you don't understand how people told me I was crazy about Amanda. So I've been waiting a decade for this. Right to see this finally culminate for those of us who clocked to her tea would be deeply satisfying. And though we have to think about the scandal, all of it all, there is a way though that sometimes when this happens, when people are so angry, that next season ends up being the last season because the resentment is just even for

1:00:43 the check, the resentment just can't get a hold. So I don't think Sierra can do more than one season with them as an obligatory season. So I don't think she has more than one season than her to gift this as an audience. So either she leaves the franchise because she's doing something bigger, or they have to completely reconfigure it. I also don't think West Ego can take being beaten on for more than one season. I think literally, they have one more season to get as a collective, and the season after that then it has to dismantle, it has to agree.

1:01:10 I think they have one more season of all of them together there, and I think Sierra is one hundred percent leaving after the next season.

1:01:19 I thought that I thought they only had maybe like a season or two with this particular group, because if in the City gains legs, they're not gonna do like Lindsay Kyle, They're not going to do Summerhouse and also do in this they don't need to, right So I thought going into this next season season eleven before the scandal started, that we were probably going to get maybe another season or two with this core group and then they were going to break up.

1:01:40 Anyway, Do you think it's.

1:01:42 Gonna still have West though, because I feel like the West was only supporting character in the city, and how does Amanda do in the city without West?

1:01:48 Then well, that's the thing I think to your point, though, I don't see West and Amanda making it through the new season at all. And I think, I listen, since you well, you can pay por Lindsay. But remember Porsia's arc after season nine, the whole rumor, the candy thing, and all of these girls looked at Porch like, we don't want to wuck with you. I do think that how we saw Porsche had to gain the respect and the trust back from thost housewives.

1:02:16 Remember her nied he got into it, and that.

1:02:18 By the way, Lindsay was persona non grata and had to work her way back in as well.

1:02:21 Yeah, yeah, I think.

1:02:23 I think a man doesn't have to gravel back, and I and and and that's how I see next season happening.

1:02:30 And it makes sense for the city.

1:02:33 You have a breakout this season, I think why not. I think they would try to stay together.

1:02:39 I think that she did ten years with Kyle. You don't understand. Let me tell you something, Carlos. Amanda is like something you've never seen. She's like a virus that just keeps mutating. I'm so serious, as Josh. She came in as a side piece and got ten years out of us. She is like a barnacle that just stuck to the bottom of something. She's gonna as long as the show is on, Amanda gonna try to get her fingers into something.

1:03:01 So you think she's gonna she's gonna work to stay with the West. I think I think only he's gonna break up with her. She will die before she breaks up with him. She wants to win. She's like no more I've ever seen on TV.

1:03:12 Then, I'm trying to tell you she's a mutating the thing she with Kyle, She's a mutating virus. She's not leaving him. He's gonna have to impregnate somebody. And even then.

1:03:24 That's that's That's how I Carlos, we talked about this. It's that theory where like your mom tells you that they don't like your girlfriend or your boyfriend, how you stick with them, Like, no, Mama, I'm really in love.

1:03:33 She needs to win Perfectnownci, she needs to win Kyle. Everybody said to leave Kyle, despite that she gave us ten years of Kyle.

1:03:41 Yes, she married him knowing she shouldn't have married him.

1:03:46 Worse than I thought.

1:03:46 Okay, Oh, it's much worse. Amana is a long suffering somebody. The show has to end for her to get out of our lives. The show is they have to close lights.

1:03:55 Well, Blue and Jasmine, are you guys going to come back next week to do the last and final summer.

1:04:03 I'm begging you in front of the rain drops.

1:04:05 You can't say community service, community.

1:04:09 Service, Carlos, I'm friend again. I'm acting like I won't, but I'll be here.

1:04:14 I'm on my knees begging, can you please? It's the last one.

1:04:18 We have to see what happens when there are front facing no blam, no wardrobe, no big stage lights, no andy, just them.

1:04:27 Can listen? Give me some sat X Yes, allegedly, we're not.

1:04:33 Doing it talking about human resource.

1:04:36 I need some beata blockers.

1:04:39 We will have them shift from Amanda's house. Okay, I will make that happen. I do know the production, so rain jobs. Let us know your thoughts on this episode. Blue and jass Man, I can't think. I'll anover take a time out to recap this with me tonight and I will see you guys next week.

1:04:56 I cannot believe this Black night.

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