Snow place like Salt Lake! | RHOSLC Recap with Monica Garcia

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Hey, Jada. Hey, Monica, girl.

Oh, what it do?

You know, do a little something, son. How you been?

Oh, you know, we out here.

We in it. Is that a Cher from Clueless feather pin?

You know, I had to bring out the big snowball for season seven, honey. Special pen debut.

Yes, yes, no.

Yes. I'm so happy to reunite with you.

I miss my girl.

So we get to recap this season of Salt Lake City Housewives together.

Monte Carlo is back.

Before we get into the episode, because obviously I know that.

Our tone is going to shift a little bit. Yeah.

You brought up first the snowball on your pen. So we have to talk about this. Let's just get it out of the way.

Oh, okay.

How do we feel about seeing Bronwyn as a center snowflake?

Were you gagged, shocked.

Deserving, not deserving? What's tea, Monica?

She didn't even register that.

Oh.

Monica, she was center snowflake.

Was she really?

Are you gagged?

I swear on everything. I don't know why I didn't even clock that. I think because visually it looked the same to me.

Yes.

Well, what does that tell you? We've got a lot of light-skinned brunettes on the cast. We've got a lot of, I mean, like Lisa, Meredith, Bronwyn. Yeah, I probably, I didn't even register. It could have been any of them. I literally did not even register that.

Yeah, well, that's what's going on.

Okay, see, now that I know that, I can give my honest opinion. That should have been Mary. Are you kidding? I'm sorry. Based on this episode that I just watched alone, they should have been like, you're center. You gave us the most raw freaking thing in Housewives history. Like, you are center. You let us film. You let us record.

You kept going. You showed up with the most painful loss I think a person can experience. She should have been center snowflake. I don't care how the rest of the season was. She could have showed up and filmed one episode, and she should have been center snowflake. That's how I feel.

Yeah.

No. Listen.

Listen. You're not going to get an argument from me based on this episode alone. And let's just get right into it.

Yeah.

Wow.

Right?

So listen, I was very curious about how they were going to tell the story of Mary losing her son, Robert Jr.

We learned, you know, last....

Earlier this year, right? Or was it late last year? I forget when it happened.

No, this year.

It was this year, right?

It was this year.

It was right before filming.

Right.

It was right before filming when this happened. So we knew that cameras were on pause while they were dealing with this.

So the episode opens up.

Which I did not even know existed, which was shocking to see this.

Mary talking about Robert Jr. being home.

Being home from prison. Well, jail. I'll say jail. Being home from jail. And how she's really happy he's home. Her baby's back. She thanked God for it. And.

Again, I was.

Just shocked to see that because I did not even think about, did you guys film when he was home?

So to know that.

That happened first, were you too surprised that they were even shooting that? Yes.

I hadn't heard that that was filmed at all. Um, that made it that much more devastating. Um, I, I will never forget at the reunion when she said something specific, she was like, you know, obviously devastated that he was in jail, but she said, if he's there, I know in a nutshell, not her words exactly, but if he's there, she knows he's not using.

Yeah, I remember that. Yes.

And so to have him come home and then to have that immediately follow, that is... Yeah.

Yeah.

It was.

Yeah, it was. Like, wow, to see that. And then we see, you know, three weeks later that, you know, the rest of the cast of the show meet up. Angie talks to them about, you know, her, she was, at that time, Angie was the only one really talking to Mary. The other girls did reach out, but Mary, rightfully so, just wanted to, you know, not, converse about it. She's dealing with something so devastating. So we do see the girls come together in solidarity for Mary. And Angie said how Mary pretty much doesn't want them fighting. Like, she really wants to see this group get along. What were your whole thoughts about that particular scene, too? Um....

I think if you cannot come together as a human. At a time when someone loses their child, that is definitely a you issue. So I was very, very happy to see that everybody was able to put aside your differences, come together as mothers, as peers, as colleagues, as friends. However they decided to approach it, they were there to rally for Mary. And as you should, as you should.

I don't think they should be given like, oh, you're so amazing. I mean, that's literally what we should be doing as humans when someone goes through such a loss. I was glad to see it, but yeah, yeah, that should have happened 100%. Like, they've been with Mary from season one. Regardless of any drama they've had with each other, they should have been able to put that aside, and they did. So yeah, they did exactly what I think and hope they should have done.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I thought it was great that they did that. Like you said, that should have happened. And sometimes you reflect and be like, it's unfortunate that it takes the passing of someone's son that you work with to remind you of those things. But it was nice that they were able to do that. I thought that it was beautifully well done the way these first two scenes really told the story. that did not feel like we weren't getting the reality, like the real, in real time, how they felt. And to me, it did not feel like they were exploiting the passing of Robert Jr.

's passing either. I thought all of that with the tone and just how the whole episode was, but those two scenes I felt really did a good job of opening up the season with us understanding we're in this place, We are going to talk about it.

This is how we're going to handle it.

But I thought it was respectful.

That's just, I had the same thoughts as you probably where I'm like, how do you do this? Like, how do you do this and not make it seem like, and I'm not saying this is what happened at all, but how do I do this and not make it seem like I'm exploiting a mother and her loss of her child? That is a very fragile, delicate, real situation.

How do we capture this in the way it's meant to be captured and not make it seem for the show?

Yes.

And I completely agree with what you said. I I personally am very grateful that I don't know if cameras were there or not, but that the service was not shown. Yeah.

Um, I, yes.

I was very, very happy to see that that was not, that's very sacred still and not out there for everybody. Um, And that they kept that out. I was very glad that they did that as well.

Same.

No, same with Albusin. It's not something that I would have cared to have seen.

No.

And again, I agree with you. I remember when Jill Zarin's husband passed away. And she wasn't a New York City housewife at the time. And I remember, if I don't got this wrong, and if I do got it wrong, apologies in advance, but I do believe I have this right, that supposedly, allegedly, I think Jill denied it, but there were conversations that Jill contacted the producers to pretty much say, you guys can film it. Allegedly.

I believe she has denied it, so she has denied it, in all fairness.

Because Bethany Frankel was the one to sort of bring this up because Bethany at the time was a housewife. And what we did see was paparazzi photos of Bethany and Jill outside. And Bethany felt that Jill was behind that. Let's see. Yeah. Jill denied it. Jill said it wasn't true. Jill has denied all of this, but Bethany felt strongly that that happened because she was like, why is paparazzi outside of the church? Like, what's going on here? And the money shot was Jill and Bethany because that was their, like, first time reconciling in years.

Okay, I just want to make sure I'm getting this correct. Is this the same Jill that went off about the Superbowl?

Okay.

Fuck that. Nope.

Nope.

I don't.

Okay.

I'm like, wait a second.

That's just like, goodbye.

It's that one, girl.

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

Just saying.

Okay.

Yeah. Okay. But that's why I'm happy that we weren't seeing... We did not see it. Again, job well done, Bravo. Production company, producers, I thought it was great.

Exactly.

Yeah.

You could tell they were very intentional.

Yes.

It's interesting.

I'm glad you said that.

Yeah. Watching it because... I wonder if the same feelings I had, you had.

Yeah.

I was on eggshells.

And I was like, how am I going to receive this?

Yes.

You said something so powerful and impactful. They were intentional because I did not feel gross. I did not feel like I should be watching it.

It felt like, wow.

Wow.

Yes. I'm satisfied with the storytelling. Yes.

Yes.

I was so nervous, too. And I was like, how do we even recap this? Same.

Yes.

They did a great job. They did a great job.

Yeah. Yeah.

Lisa Barlow's with her family.

She is in the kitchen cooking grilled cheese, honey, on her stovetop. A little margin, a little cheese.

Okay.

Flipping it up. Her sons come in and we learn that, look, her sons are dating.

Yes. One is 21. The other one's 14.

Breaking girls home and all of that. Listen, I always love seeing moments of the housewives at home with the family because Because I feel like I'll start like to argue with the girls. And let's be clear, I love a little cat fight. But I always love the idea of like, who are you as a mother and a wife?

And to see this moment.

With Lisa as a mom, based on obviously what we're learning, what happened with Robert Jr., I thought that was a nice palate cleanser, but also a good reminder of the fact that these women are mothers and that she has two sons.

Yes. Which I kind of, I will say, I have felt that we haven't seen that a lot lately on this franchise.

I think because they have a whole new team.

Oh, okay.

That's true, huh? I forgot about that.

Yeah.

Maybe that's why.

I was like.

What did you think, though, of her conversation with John?

Let's get into.

It, baby.

Come on. Yes, yes. Let's get it. Look at me.

You already know I was going to go there. I'm like, uh-huh, uh-huh, grilled cheese. Okay, but what about the conversation with Sean?

I had to give a palate cleanser.

Uh-huh.

Yep. Yep.

Well, let's get into the tea, bitch.

Okay.

Yes, exactly. Okay.

Let me tell you something, Monica.

I want to know.

Garcia.

Yes.

Miss Jackson, if you're nasty.

Um.

This is Reality with the King. And I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.

What?

We learned for the first time. This is why I... Listen, I enjoyed this episode because I was learning things I have never learned in the past seasons from these girls.

I'm so excited to hear what you're going to say right now.

Okay.

Maybe you knew a little something.

I don't know anything, girl.

Okay.

I'm so excited.

Okay.

So.

we learned that Lisa and John were not in the best place possible.

Yeah, last season when they, yeah.

That last season, Lisa and John had a conversation and Lisa felt that John was very flippant with her, had an attitude with her. Yes. They sit down and have a conversation. Lisa's like, what's going on with you? You've been very snippy with me. I don't like it. And then John said everything was going wrong for him, but that everything was going right for Lisa and that he wondered, well, can I grab some of her luck? Can I get some of that? He admitted that he was jealous of Lisa.

And let me tell you something, and I can't wait to hear your thoughts. As somebody who has produced movies for 20 years.

Yeah.

I'll just stick to housewives because I think other reality shows deal with this, but housewives, the reason why the divorce rate is over 90% is because, yes, it's because of this reason alone, Monica.

Two things happen.

The woman changes and the man doesn't recognize her anymore.

Or, and or, it will.

Get to, don't, don't, First of all, you shady bitch. First of all, this episode did not talk about that. Which I thought was interesting. They're saying to give episode two.

That's how I know I'm growing as a person, bitch. Because I didn't even say it. I kept my mouth shut.

I know what you're thinking.

I know.

That wasn't in this episode. So we'll get to that episode later. We'll get to that moment.

Now, a man.

I'm sorry. A housewife changes who she is and she becomes unrecognizable to her husband. Yes.

Okay.

And or the housewife all of a sudden gets some shine and attention and She's not home anymore.

She's on phone calls.

She's having meetings. She's flying to like these amazing countries to shoot. And the husband who was the breadwinner was like, wait a minute. The dynamic has changed. So I applaud John as a man for being honest, admitting that he was jealous of his wife's success. I thought that was powerful, Monica.

What are your thoughts about that whole entire situation though, sister?

You know, I could. Okay. Okay. I will say they are a very lucky couple.

Okay.

Because that man really seemed to be struggling hard with his wife last season. Yeah. She wasn't listening. She wasn't a good communicator.

She didn't.

Pay attention to the family, you know, all these things. And now she is queen again. Okay. So I'm like, maybe Lisa was like, you don't have it fucked up last season. So you're going to have to run it back and kiss my ass again, bitch, because I got all these co-stars and their marriages are falling apart, honey.

And so we need to pull it together, bitch. And you're not going anywhere. So suck it the fuck up. and start royally kissing my ass again.

You don't think there was a conversation?

Like, don't you ever fucking embarrass me like that again. You don't think so?

You know why I can't stand you sometimes?

20% of me felt that too. I'm telling you.

There was a conversation and they were like, okay, we're going to have the perfect marriage. And we went through a rough patch, but now everything is so good. And we're so good. If you're listening, this is no shade. Cause I'm just saying what everybody's thinking. Okay. This is a recap. We're coming out with it. No shade. You guys for real. Are we really going to acknowledge that that maybe didn't happen? Like, Don't you dare embarrass me on that show again and belittle me because I will say she kind of, she kind of admitted it when she was in her confessional. And she said, when I watched it back, I cried. I called John and I said, I think we're done. And he was like, no, I can't live without you. I love you. So what you're

saying is there was a conversation. that was like, I'm not doing this shit again. And you were like, oh God, I fucked up. Don't worry. All hail Queen Lisa.

Okay.

The reason why I said to you 20% of me felt that is because it was that precise moment that I said, oh, wait a minute. Am I now watching a man on camera having to bravo back to his wife Yes. Because he embarrassed her. Because one thing we will give Lisa. I mean, I will give Lisa. I want that you would join me in this. Okay. Lisa has never verbally embarrassed John on that show to me.

No.

Okay.

No, she is. I will say. John is sacred. That is like a girl you do not touch.

At all.

100%. Her marriage, her family.

Off limits.

Off limits. You do not go there. And props to her for that. She has never drugged that man through filth. So I could definitely, no, he's on her pedestal, right? And so I could definitely see her being like, I would never do that to you. And you did it to me.

And because of that, that's what made me think about it. Because to see him cry and get choked up, I was like, wow, he's really admitting this. So I thought that way then. But at the dinner table with her and Meredith's new face, okay, which we'll get to that in a second.

Yes.

Yes. Not yes.

Yes.

She looks amazing.

She looks fantastic.

Okay. She looks good. Yes. Money well spent. Okay, good. What a great investment.

I'm so proud of my girl, Big Mare. And she came out here and she admitted that shit. She wasn't like, I have 10 threads.

She looks good. I was here for it. Like she looks amazing.

I love it. We love a nip tuck.

Baby, money well spent and not only money well spent, a good investment.

Some of us invest in.

Stocks and bonds, ETFs, real estate. I'm not mad at a woman investing in her face.

Exactly. No. Go ahead.

She looks good.

Meredith.

Whatever you want to do.

Look good.

Yep.

So it wasn't until Lisa Barlow sat down with Meredith. Where she did talk about what Monica just mentioned. And I was like, hmm. Was I bamboozled a bit? Did Lisa check John and John felt so guilty because Lisa said, we're done. Because in her mind, she's like, I always had your back on the show. This show, they let the women talk about The husbands. Yeah. This ain't no Lisa Rinna, you know, Kim Richards shit. You know, we ain't talking about the husbands here.

Nope.

So the idea that I protected you, I had your back, and you mean to tell me you said some shit on camera that affected me?

We're done here. And I want to ask you this.

Yep.

I do want to ask you this.

Hey, what?

They've been together 23, is it 23 years?

Yes. I don't even know. I mean, John. Is 21.

21. I mean, I mean the, the oldest son, what's his name? Jack.

Jack and Jerry. Yeah.

Jack and Henry.

I'm sorry.

I'm going to get Jared from. Yes. Child.

Um, he's 21.

So at least. At least.

Yeah. Yeah. We saw our good sis Bronwyn, which we'll get to in a second.

Oh, Lord.

We saw our good sis Bronwyn.

Be with a man.

Mm-hmm. Got what she needed.

Right.

Suck the deuces.

Right, my bitch.

Yep. I'm a housewife. When Lisa threatened John, was she serious or was that a threat for him to wake up?

Lisa is not going anywhere. She loves her family, okay? I'm not taking away from that at all. And I have always said she's an incredible mother. She really would do anything for her children. But she is also not going to... Let go of that perfect image, baby. I'm sorry.

No.

She will not trust anyone else again like she trusts John. And that's rightfully so. Rightfully so. She's been with him. They have kids together. He's been there from the jump with the show. She can trust him. They do business together. Whatever it is, okay? They have six lawyers together. They're in it. So, I mean, she is committed. She is committed.

She's not going anywhere. I think that she, I think that a hundred percent, she probably meant it when she said it, but I don't think that she would actually go through with that. I mean, it would have to be, it would have to be a huge betrayal from him in order for her to, to leave. It would have to be, As it should. Let me tell you something.

No matter what my opinion was on, you know, why all of a sudden John's tune completely changed and she is perfect and it was all on him. It. He stayed, okay? she stayed. They are in it. And in a world of what's next, what's better for me, where is the grass greener? Who is going to make me happier in this moment? Who's going to give me a dopamine hit? In a world where men are leaving their freaking mama, baby mamas and kids just to go have another baby mama and kids, they are committed. And I respect the shit out of that.

I really do.

Because we are living in a time where people want the easier. They want the easier. And those two are in it no matter what. They are Bonnie and Clyde, bitch. And I respect that. I respect that.

I really do.

And I like them together.

I do. I really do. I don't know who the fuck else is going to deal with this shit. And Lisa, that comes from love, okay? That's a place of love. Yes, yes. That's not even shade.

Honey, it's no shade.

It's no shade because at the end of the day, Lisa is a big character.

Yes.

A man has to love everything about you to deal with that type of personality. So if not shade, it's why she works on the show. But a lot of men ain't dealing with that shit. And John has dealt with it for 23 years. And listen, your WAP is so good, sis. You got this man on camera crying saying, I was jealous of you. Yes. Yes.

She runs that shit. She runs that shit. And we all know that, bitch. From season one, she's been running that shit. Be so for real right now. We all have known that. We all have known that.

Kudos to Lisa Barlow, honey. Yes, kudos.

We all needed John Barlow. Period. She's the black cat, he's the golden retriever, and we love it.

Yes. Perfect way of doing it. Let's talk about the biggest surprise of the episode to me. What? Whitney and Bronwyn are besties.

Fuck off.

Fuck out of here. Fuck off. Are they? Are they? Fuck out of here. Are they? That's what she did in her confessional. Please.

No.

I got, I got, no.

You don't think that they all of a sudden? No.

Monica.

Why?

You don't think all of a sudden that they have gravitated towards each other?

I think it's a relationship of convenience.

Yeah. An alliance?

I'm sorry.

Yeah.

Are we playing up? Are we playing up this physical tension thing because the internet says it's there? Nope. I'm not buying it, bitch. No.

Wait, wait, wait.

I love my girl Whitney down. I got issues with Bron Bron right now. That's my problem. I got issues. Bitch, because it just got leaked that she's out here with this man from the PGA and he is married with a baby. Fuck off. I am not playing with Bron Bron right now, okay? I don't, I don't like, I think that that man that she hired to be her boyfriend was a scam. I think she's like, oh, that girl's summer. That was like 10 boyfriends ago. It's giving, oh God, it's giving Heather. Oh, see? It's giving me Heather. No, you have to admit right now, Heather Gay season one, two, three was boy crazy talking about my little lollipop chicken, whatever the fuck. And freaking come on. We all know she was out here chasing tail like crazy in her

first couple of seasons. And that is what Bronwyn is doing right now. And it's probably triggering me. And I can, I'm grown enough to admit that. I think it's the show.

No. Okay, listen. I have not heard that Brahman is allegedly dating a PGA. What?

You didn't see that? The picture of them? It was all over. Bravo. Bravo. Andy asked her about it on Watch What Happens Live.

I missed it last night.

Oh, I didn't watch it. I saw the clip all over.

Okay. So tell me, tell me what happened.

Yeah. So he has Bronwyn there.

Yes.

And she goes, he asked her about, is it Brandon?

Brandon. Yes.

And she goes, who? And Andy was like, And Bronwyn was like, that was like 10 boyfriends ago. And then he's like, oh, okay. Well, what about, you know, we just saw you canoodling and cozying up to so-and-so at the PGA. And she's like, you know, I'm just having fun. I'm just living my life. Which, whatever, girl, okay? This is no shade to women wanting to go out and do your thing. I just don't believe it with her.

There is something about it that I'm not buying. And maybe it's because I'm also seeing you post with Todd and hanging out with Todd and doing things with Todd. Maybe it's because I thought your Brandon from the jump was a PR stunt. So I can't get over that. Maybe it's because in the episode, you said that you sold your house, but bitch, I know you guys were running it. I just, I'm not, I am not buying it.

I'm not.

Sorry.

And I know so many people love her. And then you're going to act like a lesbian with Whitney. Fuck off. No, I'm just, there's too much going on. It's giving, grasping for storyline anywhere she can.

Listen, I'm happy that we get to laugh about this stuff because I was like, I don't want this to be a heavy episode.

Bitch, it ain't. That's the good news. Thank you, Monica, for saving the day.

Here's the deal.

There's something I'm just not buying.

I don't believe- No, listen.

I will give us this.

Okay.

Okay. You and I were the first ones. And listen, I love Bronwyn. I told you I met her. She was sweet.

I do love her, right?

Now, but we recap the episodes based on what we're shown. Yes. You and I were really the first ones who clocked it two seasons ago. With her and Todd. That season where Todd was like this monster. You and I both said, she.

Is really laying it off.

Telling us everything about Todd.

You and I both said, oh, bitch.

Broadway is setting up her divorce plan.

We said it from the jump. We saw right through that shit.

We saw it. So when it was revealed that they were separated, we were like, divorce is coming soon.

We're not surprised.

They're divorced.

She talks about Brandon she's dating.

She also talks about in this episode, and this was the moment that I was like, Bronwyn, you know I love you down to the ground. This season, I got to be honest with you, to hear you say, Well, I expected Todd to do something for me for my 40th birthday. It was my first birthday after my dad passed away. And how protecting her marriage came at a cost to herself. Saying that line alone is the reason why Todd ain't doing shit for you ever. Todd feels like, bitch, you have told my entire business, I can't go to the golf course without people asking me about me being on an airplane looking at naked photos, allegedly. I can't do shit without people saying, you stole her cherry top off her sundae. How dare you? You're a monster. This

man is.

You know that man walks by and people make fart sounds because of her shit. Stop. He is so done. He is like, girl, why would I be doing- Also, you're dating. Your freaking paid for boyfriend should be doing- Is that not in the contract? Is that not in the contract you had with him? He should be doing something for you.

So do you not believe Brahman when she says there was a period of time where she really loved Todd and doesn't know what it feels like to be alone? She was saying this to her mother.

I'm not saying that. I think that anybody that has been with somebody for 10 years, shit, one year, okay? I think you can love someone fiercely and know them for three months. I am not saying that she didn't love him. What I'm saying is I'm not believing a lot of the stuff that she's doing or portraying. For whatever reason, there's just something about it that I'm not buying.

I don't know. Something's off to me. I don't know.

I think that's fair.

And I could be wrong. And I can also admit that. But for my personal opinion.

Yeah?

Something does... It's not clicking for me.

Based on what you told me happened on Watch What Happens Live last night... Yeah. When Andy asks her, how's Brandon? She goes, who? Yes.

Even if you guys aren't together.

I think that statement alone gave a little bit of performance. Yes. Wait, because I haven't heard Brandon say anything bad about you or you haven't told us y'all aren't together, like whatever. And then to say that was 10 boyfriends ago, to your point, I know that when a woman gets a divorce, it's open season, right?

As it should be.

But there is something a little performative about it. So that's why to your point, you're not wrong to me for being suspicious. Yeah.

Yeah. There's just something there. And then I think like, you know, hyping up the whole act with Whitney is just, I don't know. It's just, I'm just.

Yeah. Even Whitney saying, like I said, things about Meredith and Lisa, I want to apologize for, and I feel guilty. I'm like, all right, you realize you're on an island and you need to, like, make things right with these girls.

So, like, that to me was sort of like, okay, girl, whatever.

But the biggest thing is she has admitted to stop, she stopped drinking because she felt that at a drag, some drag show, she laid it on too thick when it came to shading Meredith and Lisa and She said, I was encouraged. I had the liquor courage to do it. But because of that is why she is realizing that she was drinking too much and that she's putting a stop to it. Yeah.

I love Whitney for a lot of reasons. She and Meredith made a very, very, very very huge move when I was going through everything behind scenes that hopefully one day I can talk about that I will always support her. I don't know what's going on. I remember when that clip leaked and it was bad. It was bad. And then you had, I guess, BravoCon. She was a mess, I guess, on stage at BravoCon. They had to take the mic from her. So if that's happening, at least she's out here admitting it. At least she's like, I need to stop. I can't be drinking anymore. I need to put it down. Whatever it is. But I definitely don't think she's the only one that should be stepping away from the alcohol. But I am glad that she

is out here and open with it and discussing her possible abuse of alcohol. Yes.

Yes.

That's a serious subject. That's a slippery slope.

No.

So for her to admit, I'm numbing myself, that's a big admittance for sure. Yeah.

And it takes courage to say that on camera for the world to see. Yes. Yes. I thought that was special for her to say that. You mentioned things being performative, and I did too.

Uh-oh, here we go.

Oh, shit. On Heather's new man trip that she met on TaskRabbit, allegedly, because when, unless I got the story wrong, I literally watched it and said, I'm still confused. So Heather debuts this new man named Tripp. She said they met.

When she- Same bitch, and I am not calling him Tripp. His name is Mike, okay? Tripp is his last name. I don't even know. You know what it gave me? It gave me my mother. And maybe that's why I'm like, anyone that does this, I have a problem with. My mother- her whole life has been linda right linda darnell that's her name we go to greek easter it was the first time she had ever filmed the first time she'd ever met the women we walk up to heather and i'm like this is my mom and she's like hi i'm ld i literally i was so mad i'm so mad they took this out i turned to her and i go who's ld who is ld and then hi nice to meet you i'm ld Hi, LD. Hi, LD. Hi, LD.

Who the fuck is LD? So now we've got Mike here, out here, and all of a sudden, it's Tripp.

No.

Immediately no, bitch, because you know the kind of caliber of man you have to be to pull off a name like Tripp? Okay? Matthew McConaughey's name was Tripp in Failure to Launch.

Okay?

You are not Matthew McConaughey, sir. You sure ain't no Tripp. That's your last motherfucking name. So I will be referring to you as Mike, your legal name.

You know Mike.

I know Mike.

Does he work at TaskRabbit?

What does Mike do? Because I didn't understand what she said.

I met Mike. Well, now I'm calling him Mike.

I met Mike when.

You got me fucked up.

That's his name. Like, it's giving... Okay, Tripp is cool. It's giving... I can see Heather. I can see Heather. The, like. Forever uncool girl sitting here being like, Tripp is cool. Let's introduce you as Tripp.

Yeah.

We're going to go with Tripp, Tripp, Tripp.

No, bitch.

You bagged a mic, okay? And that's his name. I'm not calling him Tripp. Because I know that was discussed beforehand when they introduced him to the world. Tripp. That's literally, shut up.

What? So what does Trip, I mean, what does Mike do?

So allegedly, let's go down that road.

Okay.

His father or family started a like construction company, contracting company, whatever. And so he's a contractor. So that's what he does. That is true. That is true.

So when she, because she says they met at Beauty Bar. And he was helping her put up.

She said that. We met at Beauty Balls.

Oh, Beauty Lab. Beauty Lab?

Beauty Lab. Okay. And he was helping her with putting up shelves and shit.

So I was like, wait, is he TaskRabbit? What's happening? I'm confused. So maybe he was in construction.

Who knows if that's... Who knows if that's true? The whole we met 10 years ago and now we found each other again. I'm not discrediting that story. I'm not. I just I don't know what's true and what's not here because it is Heather. And unfortunately, I'm very skeptical.

I'm skeptical because any reality star, little one-on-one for my raindrops, anytime you watch a show, a reality show, and if a main cast member brings a quote-unquote friend that they've known for years, and all of a sudden they're dating, they call their friend up to say, play my boyfriend for this TV show, allegedly. I've seen it happen on shows that I've been a part of. I'm like- Wait, because my thing is this. All of a sudden, I look at you differently now that I'm on television. We were friends for 10 years.

And I don't know.

All of a sudden, I'm attracted to you.

And guess what? You want to film even better.

So I'm not buying Tripp.

Mike, I am also not buying Mike. And I will tell you, I also found it extremely interesting when they went through the timeline of... They were sitting on the couch, bitch, timeline, the original timeliner here. And you're sitting there and you go December, January, February. So you started dating right before filming?

You started dating right before filming. It's giving, I was threatened and I need to bring something other than, you know, I'm a bad Mormon and I.

Don't like my kids. Because he's a bad Mormon too, yeah.

Whatever.

That's what she said.

That's what she said. Because again, that's all she has. So I don't know. I'm not buying it. I do know that he was previously married and, um, they are obviously divorced. Apparently she is like beautiful. Um, I'm not going to disclose her name because I'm not, I'm not doing that. Uh, Yeah, I know a lot, Carlos. I am biting my tongue so hard. Yeah, I know a lot.

But I'm not going to go there.

Is he, okay, he's divorced?

Yes.

Okay, so he is single.

No kids.

Correct. Yes.

Yes. Yes. But I, you know, when the producer on the show said, we're seeing a side of you we've never even seen before. And I just wanted to be like, yeah, like her real life. Like it only took you guys seven years to force her. To show something about her freaking life. Do you think, from production point of view, for real, did they threaten her? Were they like, bitch, if you don't give us some shit, you are going to be demoted. You are going to be replaced. Like, you've got to give us something. We've got nothing.

Yeah.

No, listen.

What happens in production is this. When you have a new season, you reassess everybody. And you have conversations saying.

What are you giving us?

Because what you gave us last year, the past year, before that, the year before that, isn't working, right?

You, a.

Very smart, unbiased producer, looks at the entire cast and says, where are we taking this housewife or reality star this season?

Yeah.

And when it comes to Heather, Heather... was always very short of personal story. And that's why for me, this idea that all of a sudden this longtime friend you have is not your boyfriend, it seems to be a little bit too.

Convenient for me.

Yes. And I definitely think that, look, that's why when it came to you talking about Brandon, Brahman's man, I get the concern because The same day we're watching his debut, hearing about him on the premiere. Yeah. Later that night, you with Andy live in real time and y'all, you don't know who he is.

Yeah.

That's not normal.

No.

Not when you are, I'll say this, I'll say this.

Not when you are pushing this guy in our faces.

They who you want to. I don't give a shit.

Nope.

But as far as they say, upload, post.

It's like, oh, that's your man.

Cool.

That's different.

Well, it's one thing to be like, I'm not going to show my personal life. Nobody I date will ever be on the show. You haven't shown anybody you've dated for seven years. That has been on lock and key. You're not, you know, whatever. And then now all of a sudden you're like, he filmed all season with me.

What? Yeah.

It's, yeah.

No, it's, it's, it's, it's.

And if it's real, good for them.

More power to her.

It's just suspicious.

That's all I'm saying.

That's weird. That's suspicious.

Yes.

The timing is also convenient. Right before filming, just a couple months before filming, you were able to have somebody there to film with. That's great. Okay.

Okay.

What an episode. I love that we went there.

I don't want to go back to a downward moment, but, you know, the ending of the episode, Mary's back in the chair. She.

Listen, I don't.

Have it in me to talk about it. Can I just... You can. I just don't have it in me. That moment was sad with the dog in the room and... No, stop.

Because I... That's exactly why I said, based on this episode alone, she should have upset Snowflake. I'm sorry. The fact that she let cameras into his room, the fact that she opened production and allowed them to film everything that they filmed, the fact that she gathered herself together, put on clothes, okay? Yeah. put on clothes when most couldn't even get out of bed. She had makeup on her hair was brushed. Okay. I'm sorry, but those little things feel excruciating when you are broken, let alone, I can't imagine how she was feeling losing a child.

Okay.

She should have been center snowflake. And I will stand on that.

I am.

I will say Bronwyn was a hundred percent correct with everything she said, as far as I've never seen anyone handle it like this. No. Um, and he's with God and just trusting. I mean, she's such an example. She's so freaking, I, yeah, I've, I've never seen anyone handle it like that either. She is one in a million. Um, the way she said time to work and she showed up.

And then she was encouraging the women. She was being strong for the women. She was giving words of the Lord to the women. Like the one suffering. I mean, she really is remarkable. The way she has handled this is unmatched. And she said something that I wrote down she said, you see who's real when you go through something.

When you are in hell, that is when you find out who is really with you. And it is so true. And she was so grateful for those women. And I think it was that moment that I really remembered what Housewives was supposed to be about. Housewives was supposed to be a group of friends that are living their individual lives together, that are there for each other, that can have fun with each other, that can support each other.

through breaks up, breakups, divorce, moves, bankruptcies, foreclosures, marriages, baby births, all these things. And I kind of feel a little bit that we've lost sight of that where it seems like ruining the people you're working with. And that moment just really felt like old school OG housewives to me.

Yeah.

Because I believe that's what the show was always intended for. Yeah. And, you know, she says in there, always look at the light. Darkness will always be there, but always look for the light. And I, Mary is the light, man. I mean, she was the light of this episode in every way. In every way. And I'm just, I'm so proud of her.

I'm proud of production and how they chose to balance that. I can't imagine how hard that was.

Yeah.

No, listen, you said it best. You said it best. And the only thing I will add, too, was it was sad when she mentioned that she did not even hear from her brother and sister.

Oh, my God.

Like, listen, I understand there's issues there, Beef. A text message goes a long way. You know, I heard what happened. You have my condolences.

I can't believe that.

That was the part that got me the most. I was like, wow.

And she literally said, you guys are my family, even though I didn't want you. And I, it's so true. Sometimes your family isn't actually your family.

Yeah.

And this is why she should have been center snowflake because bitch, in that one scene, She gave us so much. And I couldn't believe that either, Carlos.

No, it saddened me. But look, great premiere. I thought it was a job well done based on the balance. And look, Monica Carlo is back, bitches. Every week, recapping the latest season of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Monica, I love you, darling. Okay, we are back, bitches. Yes. All right. And we will see you guys next week.

Love you.

Bye.

Love you, boo.

Bye-bye.

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