VICKI'S HOUSE OF HORROR | RHOC Recap with Alexis Janssen

0:03 Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey, and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

0:36 Raindrops.

0:38 Alexis and I are back to talk about another episode. Season 20 of The Real Housewives of Orange County. Listen, go on YouTube. Again, subscribe to my YouTube channel. You can see Alexis and.

0:49 I play it out.

0:50 Because we're actually, and this was not predicted, we're matching. We're both wearing something sleeveless and black with bling.

0:56 It's the first time we haven't been Ebony and Ivory. We're just Ebony. We're ebony with jewels, except my skin is ivory. So, okay. Look at our getups. We did not know this, Carlos.

1:10 It's so funny. Okay, you got.

1:13 Bigger, but see, I'm still waiting to arm wrestle you, but yeah.

1:17 I know, listen, we definitely need to get an arm wrestle going.

1:20 You look absolutely stunning as always.

1:23 You look good.

1:24 Your hair still looks very clean, like snatched like last week.

1:27 Yes, yes, I got a cut yesterday.

1:31 It's funny because the raindrops are like, Alexis looks like a teenager.

1:38 Are they saying that?

1:39 Yes.

1:40 Okay, so then guess what? Everyone else can F off that is like.

1:44 Why'd you pay the money for that facelift?

1:45 You didn't even look like you got anything done. I'm like, bitch, you don't understand. That's what you want.

1:49 You want people to just think you got a really good night's sleep. You don't want to look like you're all like.

1:56 Oh, she beat her head. No, no, no, no, no.

1:59 You, it's funny because, and that's a good point. Your face lived, I mean, but I will agree with them.

2:07 I will say this. You know me.

2:09 You were already like, stunning right which is how we viewed you and obviously you're in your own skin so you know listen when you're living your own skin you're you know like this can lose a little whatever but you do not look unrecognizable and i think that's the the point like facelift should not make you look like a different person it should really do what you.

2:34 Said which is let it look like i got a good night's sleep.

2:37 Which we never do, Carlos. Let's be real.

2:42 In 365 days, there might be one night when I wake up one morning and I'm like, oh my gosh, I got the best night's.

2:46 Sleep of my life. Every other one, I'm like, okay.

2:49 No.

2:49 Shabby. I constantly have good sleep right now.

2:54 That's all. You look good, honey. We are awake because guess what? This episode woke me up again. I feel like... I don't know, Alexis. OC is back.

3:05 I am.

3:07 really loving it, but I do have some inside scoop about, you know, I mean, so even though we have had a very, you and.

3:16 I have felt it's been very boring.

3:18 Um, the ratings as you can, if you want to Google or whatever, but you can find out the people are still tuning in when I have been like, so the ratings haven't dropped much.

3:27 However, now we're awake again. They got a facelift.

3:30 They're starting to, they're in the pre op mode of a facelift.

3:35 Uh, And we're about to get there.

3:39 No, one thing I can say for sure is that you called it. You said, Carlos, maybe it's a slow start. You know, similar to Beverly Hills, things will pick up mid-season. And I'm happy to say you were absolutely right. This episode started off with the continuation of the girls at Vicky's house look. I'm going to call it Vicky's House of Horror. That's the episode title, right? Jamie, there you go.

4:10 Vicky's House of Horror. Because what ended last week was... You know, Vicky's not happy. The girls are challenging her.

4:20 They're at her home, spending the night. Mike is not happy. He comes out. You hear the Freddy Krueger, Blair Witch Project music.

4:29 Then Vicky's yelling at Luke Nesledge, who's the showrunner of the OC. You know, she's saying, get the fuck out of my house. So apparently, Jen and Emily heard that. So they're packing up their shit like she doesn't want us here. Vicky comes in and she's like, what are y'all doing? They're like, well, you're kicking us out, like we're leaving. And she's like, no, I was talking.

5:00 About the crew. You guys can stay. And then they're sort of like, huh?

5:07 But before we get to the kitchen moment, did you take it like Vicky was talking about the crew?

5:16 In the moment, no, but I can believe that she might have been.

5:19 But here's my question to you, and I know I'm going to be the unpopular person right now, probably, which I don't care. But I feel like the girls were– Vicky kept giving several warnings, like, let's just put a pin in this.

5:31 Let's just stop. You guys are on me. Like, let's just stop and look.

5:34 It's over.

5:35 We're over it, you know?

5:36 Vicky, come here.

5:36 You want to be in the– you want to say hi? Okay, everybody say hi to Vicky.

5:40 Hi, boo.

5:41 You started the podcast today, mom. I love it.

5:45 Okay. Anyway, I felt like I could understand why Vicky is sitting there going, you know, guys, it's enough's enough. It was kind of like picking. I felt like it was picking. Although I can see where the girls are like, we're just trying to have a conversation. So I see both sides. But I also feel like everyone films.

6:04 They all know. So if it's like, okay, we had enough. We beat this dead horse. Let's move on. Why didn't they just move on?

6:09 Why didn't they just move on? Yeah. To your point, though. And listen, I actually agree with you. I could see.

6:16 I thought it was going to be an unpopular vote.

6:19 No, hear me out. I do agree with you that look, and this is me being a producer.

6:27 Housewives have definitely yelled to kick out the producers and the production and the crew.

6:33 That is a true thing. When housewives say, get the fuck out. Well, you're just done.

6:38 You're just done.

6:39 Yeah, but you.

6:41 Also have to realize, are you talking about the crew or the cast or both? And that is the deciding factor in all of this. So although Vicky said it was the crew, I am inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt because in that moment as they're packing, you can tell that.

7:06 She did not want them to leave.

7:09 I agree.

7:10 You're now like, there could also be this Carlos.

7:13 It could also have been, she said it in the moment. Vicky was just frustrated and they're picking on her. She could have said it in the moment and then not meant it and then blamed it on the crew. But at the same time, I do think she really just wanted everybody out of the house. She just wanted to enjoy her pizza and move on. I don't think, I honestly don't think Vicky had like malice in her heart to be like, everybody get.

7:34 The fuck out.

7:34 I think what she said, everybody could just get the fuck out. I think she kind of, in my mind, was meaning more of the crew.

7:40 I do too.

7:41 I really do.

7:42 I do too. I will say that. I will say that.

7:44 Which led Emily and Jen to then go in the kitchen. Shannon, under her breath, whispers to Emily, like, if you have to go, I understand. I have to stay. and talk to her about this and I can't do it.

8:02 And Shannon didn't want to leave Vicki high and dry with everybody leaving. She, but Shannon, I think could understand like, yeah, it's uncomfortable. And I don't, I don't think we're going to get back on track from this. So I, I understand I wouldn't leave my best friend either. I wouldn't, I would, I would be the one that would stay right there and be, you know, the, the one that would stay.

8:22 Especially after last week, Vicky called her out and said, I felt like you did not have my back the way I would have had yours or had have yours.

8:31 On the show.

8:32 Shannon knew not to leave Vicky. She's like, I'm not leaving her. She's already mad at me.

8:39 Me leaving? Oh, forget about it. Like, we're done.

8:42 We're done.

8:43 So she knew she had to stay.

8:46 Jen was the one, to me, Alexis, that really encouraged Emily to be like, let's just go. Like, why are we sitting here talking about it? Like, Vicky doesn't want to dress it. She wants us to eat, right? The crew is here still filming us. And I understood Jen, too, because the last thing you want to do is spend the night over someone's house.

9:09 Feeling uncomfortable being there. It's not a good feeling.

9:12 I know.

9:13 It's not. I know.

9:15 And I think if I, I try to put myself in the situation and say what, what I've done, I think I probably would have left too. Honestly, even the differences, the difference is I'm closer to Vicki than Emily and Gina are. So I probably, I would have been able to stay and figured it out with Gina, with, with Vicki.

9:30 But I, if I were Gina and Emily, I probably would have.

9:35 Jen and Emily.

9:36 Oh yeah.

9:37 Jen and Emily.

9:38 Sorry.

9:38 Jen and Emily.

9:39 You're right.

9:39 I would have. I would have left.

9:41 I would have said, you know what, let's just let Shannon and Vicki figure it out.

9:45 And yeah, I don't know. It's very sticky, but you know what? It made good TV.

9:51 I like when it's real and authentic, not something that is kind of like they're trying to make something happen for the camera, you know?

9:58 And this was definitely like, real.

10:00 It was a real thing.

10:02 No, it was a real moment. And I'm with you. I would have also look, I am 99% sure Emily and Jen did not pay $ 500 for the Uber. production paid.

10:17 No, production took them home.

10:18 Yes, okay.

10:19 You know what production might have even done is even take them to a hotel because a hotel would have cost more money.

10:23 Yeah, they took their asses home.

10:25 They took... Production said, we got you, we'll.

10:26 Get you home.

10:27 Go home.

10:28 And production was probably like, thank you, we wanted to.

10:30 Go home too. We ain't got to stay overnight? Perfect. Let's go. Let's all go home. So, I would have done the same thing, especially because of this. And we....

10:46 We'll get more into this towards the end, but if I'm a woman in this house and there's one guy in it and that guy comes across a little scary and.

11:01 I don't know. Go ahead.

11:10 First of all, I don't like when all the girls were saying Mike was so mad. I saw no evidence of that. Mike walked in his house and went straight to his bedroom trying to stay out of filming and production.

11:19 I did not see or get where any of them are saying.

11:22 Oh, he was so mad.

11:24 Guarantee you, the boom would have been on that door with production if Mike was going off in that bedroom and they.

11:29 Would have been listening to that. So I don't believe.

11:32 Mike was going off. I think the girls felt uncomfortable because he was there. I think the girls felt uncomfortable because Vicky was having an episode. But I'm not going to let Mike take any of the downfall on this. I do not think he was angry. I do not think he had one thing. He was just trying to stay out of everyone's way and figure it out. He probably did say to Vicky when she said after that, she goes, yeah, but you know, he just said, you're such a nice person.

11:54 Why is this happening?

11:55 He doesn't really get the whole filming thing yet. He doesn't understand a wraparound that we have to talk things out. We have to be on when the cameras are there, we have to be on. So he doesn't get all that, but I don't think he was there.

12:06 Going, what the hell is happening? Why are these girls in my house?

12:09 He knew they were going to be there. He knew the team was going to, the production was going to be there. He just simply scurried out of the way. So I don't agree with what everyone.

12:16 When the girls are like, oh, Mike was there and he was mad. Well, we would have seen evidence of that because the production's not going to let that die.

12:25 Listen, this is very strange, once again. I agree with you.

12:30 Wow.

12:31 I agree.

12:31 We have to wear black and bling every week.

12:33 Because this is- Right.

12:34 Oh, wow.

12:36 When we match, you agree with me.

12:38 And when I don't- if I don't telepathically know what Carlos is going to wear, he's going to disagree with me. But if we dress the same on a podcast, okay, got it.

12:46 I've got it.

12:46 There you go. There you go.

12:48 So to your point though, I, as a producer, I agree that if he was acting out, we would have shown it. How many times have you seen a, a, a shot of a closed door and, and, and, and subtitles?

13:05 No, they're, they have the bone. They can hear it.

13:07 So then they're, yeah, they'll put it in there. So, to your point, no. We, in Mike's defense, there was no evidence of him being angry. Now, there's a thing called energy. Now, could he have appeared to be a little upset, whatever?

13:28 Sure, but....

13:30 I think as women, I do understand that this house isn't just a girl's, you know, night out. There is a guy there and, you know, they're hearing things about him popping up out of nowhere on trips and everything. So I'm just saying I do understand.

13:52 Why they felt uncomfortable. And you and I both agree, we would have left. And I would have. Yeah.

13:58 A guy being at a girl's retreat does kind of change the– not that it could even be negative, but it does change the energy. It is kind of like, okay, this isn't girl's time. We can't just have girl talk now because what if he does hear one of the things we say and we want to talk about something that we don't really want a guy to hear?

14:13 Like, it's girl time.

14:15 It's just like with guys. Guys want to be with guys sometimes and girls want to be with girls sometimes. I don't fault Mike for being there.

14:19 It is his house.

14:21 It is odd that he's been at all the girls' things, though. That's kind of awkward or weird.

14:25 But– But I don't fault him for wanting to be at.

14:28 His house when he's coming back from working. I mean, he's not going to stop his life for production.

14:31 He's just not. He's not getting paid. Vicky is.

14:34 Vicky has to do her job. But I think Mike should be able to do what he wants. But I do think that whether he was in a bad mood, a happy mood, or whatever mood, I think they took his walking into the room and trying to get out of everybody's way.

14:48 As a bad mood.

14:49 And I think he was in a definite no-win situation because it didn't change the girl's minds on how they were going to start, like, film the rest of the scene.

14:57 Yes. Yes. Yes.

14:59 Yes.

14:59 And that's the reason why I totally understand why they felt the need to leave.

15:03 And they left. And they left.

15:05 So then, after that, the girls are meeting separately. You have Tamara meeting with Jen. And then you have Shannon, Emily, Carmella.

15:18 Was Jen at... No, no, no. Jen was with Tamara.

15:21 It was Shannon, Emily, Carmella... Who was the fourth one?

15:25 No.

15:25 I wasn't the fourth one.

15:26 Well, there was four seats. We wouldn't both forget the fourth.

15:30 It was only three. Three of them.

15:32 It was three, right?

15:32 I'm like, because Gina wasn't. Jamie, are we confused? Text me. Gina wasn't there. Nope. And Heather wasn't there.

15:42 It was the three of them.

15:43 Yeah.

15:43 The fourth seat was empty.

15:44 Okay. Thank you. We are so confused by the fourth seat.

15:50 This is Reality with the King.

15:52 And I'm Carlos King.

15:54 Let's get back into the show.

15:56 Okay. So, Tamara obviously wants to hear what happened with Jen. And then Emily, Shannon, and Carmella are talking about what happened. In this moment, Gina, not Gina, Emily is talking to Carmella about, like, Vickie. and what Vicky said about her in the car. And they flash back to it, where Vicky pretty much is telling Shannon that when it comes to Danny having an affair, she needs to get over.

16:33 It, pretty much. That putting your.

16:38 Dick in someone else is bad, but, you know, what else? Pretty much there's other things that's worse.

16:46 So... Before we get to the breaking news that happened over 24 hours ago.

16:51 Yes.

16:52 I knew you were going to go there.

16:54 Let's go there, girl. So, Carmella's offended by it. Rightfully so.

17:01 Yes.

17:02 I thought it was rich of Vicky to say that to Shannon because I always felt that Shannon, it took Shannon a long time to get past what David Bedore did to her, which is cheated on her.

17:23 And it took years for Shannon to get over that.

17:28 And I'm not saying there's an expiration date for any woman to get past cheating, especially when you're married, right, and have children together.

17:36 Right.

17:37 But for Vicky to say that to Shannon, I did think, like, how rich... Because Shannon is what was, was actually worse to me.

17:51 Well, what I don't, what I'm trying, what I've tried to do with Carmela or even with, so I've never been cheated on.

17:58 So it's hard to knock on wood, you know, like, like Jesus for this.

18:03 Right.

18:03 But, but if you put yourself in someone's shoes like that, I have often done that because you feel for your friends or you feel for someone that you hear that has had it happen.

18:14 It's like, no one knows how you would react when you have, if.

18:18 You've been with someone for 10 years, I think Carmela is justified for how she's trying to handle it, trying to get over it. Although we now know it's ended, which is what you were talking about happened in the last 24 hours, which we will get to, but she's justified in the fact that it's like, I'm going to keep trying until I know I just can't anymore.

18:32 And I cannot get over it.

18:34 And, but I also don't like other people judging how someone is behaving when they've had it happen to them, unless they've had it happen to them.

18:40 So like, there could be no judging on mine and your part. Well, you have been cheated on. You have.

18:44 Okay.

18:44 So, but, but, For me, I can't. I can't.

18:47 I cannot really judge on anybody's reactions because I've never... I can just say I can feel for them. And, you know, I think Vicky was a little bit harsh. And I think you're right to say how rich for that situation. But has Vicky been cheated on?

19:03 I'm trying to think. She's had some pretty.

19:06 She said... She did say Steve cheated on her.

19:10 Oh, Steve.

19:10 Okay. It was Steve.

19:11 Because I was like, I know Brooks did it, even though he did something kind of worse.

19:15 Um, and, and then I know Don didn't.

19:17 So, okay.

19:18 It was Steve.

19:18 Yeah. Steve, Steve cheated on her. Allegedly. I want to, cause he hasn't come on set.

19:23 Right.

19:24 Oh, well, our friend said, um.

19:28 He did see Steve and Porta Velote with another woman.

19:33 Hmm.

19:36 So yeah, that's that.

19:39 I feel sorry for any woman that's next to John Jansen because that woman's going to have a problem.

19:46 Well, John, but the girl's going to.

19:49 No.

19:50 I'm like Kyle Richards. Get off my husband. If I see anybody... When.

19:54 Kyle said, what are you doing? Get off of my husband and kick off the party. That's the type of shit that I would do. Get the fuck off my man. But yeah, so breaking news is the fact that Carmella and Dani have called it quits. She mentioned it on page six is virtual reality. Shout out to my friends over there who host the show.

20:19 And Watch What Happens.

20:20 Live last night. She divulged also there. And she was great on Watch What Happens Live, Carlos. You know, we love her. And it just made me love her even more on Watch What Happens Live.

20:30 So, yeah.

20:30 Love her.

20:32 She said that I feel a range of emotions. The breakup happened months ago. She said, I feel sad. It was a 10-year relationship. It was somebody that was around my children, but at the end of the day, I needed to put myself first.

20:53 Go ahead.

20:54 No, no, go.

20:55 No, go.

20:57 She said it was difficult because she did love him deeply, but oftentimes she ignored her intuition and there was just something deep down That felt like she just couldn't trust it. And the dishonesty just continued.

21:16 That's what I was going to say.

21:17 Yeah, go ahead.

21:18 She brought that up at Watch What Happens Live.

21:19 It was about the fact that she's very careful with her words. You can tell she loved him and probably still loves him. And you don't just get over it like that 10 years later. 10 years.

21:28 In years.

21:29 You don't get over it. You don't just say, oh, my God, I don't love him anymore. I think she's been falling out of love the past year from what I've been viewing on the TV show, which I know it's just a show. But I think that she definitely still cares about him because she chose her words very carefully, but yet she was very honest, which I respect. And she just said, you know, the lies just didn't stop.

21:51 They just, they were still like, and.

21:52 You can pick up on, and the little lies would make me even more mad than the big lies.

21:55 It's like the little lies are like, why are you lying about what color your underwear or what?

22:00 It's scary.

22:01 It's weird. What did you have eggs for breakfast? No, I had avocado toast. Well, I saw the eggs that you had in the frying pan.

22:07 It's like, why would you lie about that?

22:11 I get it.

22:12 You're with a woman and you're trying to cover up your, your tracks, but like, gosh, you know.

22:18 No, listen, and even when you saw them at dinner, right?

22:25 Like, their one-on-one scene, Carmella and.

22:28 Danny, and that scene, it's funny because if they weren't broken up, that scene let me know that they needed to.

22:39 And I said this to you, remember, weeks ago? Yes. Right, Alexis?

22:43 You are so right.

22:46 Yes.

22:47 It was awkward it was uncomfortable I was like I didn't even want to watch it because I'm like they both just need to go home and like go to separate bedrooms like like it's like they were it was it was it was obvious he was trying and it was obvious she was just kind of checked out.

23:03 Here's what I'm gonna say that may be controversial because we're only basing their situation off of what we're.

23:11 Being shown thank you that's actually very fair to say.

23:14 And I want to be very clear I'm only basing this off of what we're being shown You know, we know.

23:20 There's hours of footage. We see five minutes of it.

23:23 So based on that one scene, and I already said this weeks ago, I said, Carmela, just leave him.

23:30 Like, it's evident you're not over it. I'm not saying you should be over it.

23:35 I'm just saying you're making matters worse for yourself staying in this situation and you're not over it. I am curious what the dishonesty is. Because she keeps saying it without providing real examples.

23:52 Well, I watched Watch What Happened last night.

23:54 So that's the thing.

23:55 I have a little bit more to give to you. But this is what I'm saying. She chose her words carefully.

24:01 It does have something to do with another female. From what I gathered from, it's okay. Do you hear my dog barking?

24:11 I heard him a little bit, but it's fine.

24:13 Well, we can, I don't know, sweetie. There's something under the bed or something. She loves, we're babysitting our granddaughter, Rue. And so there's something, she finds a bone. I swear to God, it could be hidden five feet deep in my underwear drawer and she'll find the bone.

24:27 She's barking because there's one.

24:28 Way under the bed that one of the dogs probably lost. She's like, I'm not going to stop barking until someone gets me that damn bone. She's so cute.

24:38 Anyway, we have four dogs in the house right now. It's kind of chaos. It's like we have two blackies and it's like, we are, it is like, hello.

24:46 Okay.

24:46 Um, anyway, so she said something about he, it was something about a realist or someone he was working with.

24:53 And so she goes, well, did you date? And then he, and then, or was this on the show? I don't know if it.

24:58 Was on the show.

24:59 So then I'm watching what happens live.

25:01 She just made him another innuendo to the fact that it had to do with the fact that there was, she didn't use the word infidelity, but in my mind, that's where she was kind of, what she was saying was taking you to there. She felt unsafe with some things he had some choices he had made.

25:17 Oh, so yeah. And I, and I respect that.

25:21 And I, you know, what I respect the most is that she's not just throwing out his dirty laundry.

25:26 You know, she's, she's kind of keeping it close to the chest.

25:28 She is kind of saying enough to let people understand what's happening, but she's not bashing him. She's not giving details. She's just saying, I finally, I finally figured out it was just time for me to let go.

25:41 It's interesting because, like you said, at the dinner table, she did mention that there was this real estate agent. He was working a female. And she did ask him, like, do you have history?

25:53 He goes, no. He denied it.

25:55 And he goes, oh, I took her on one. But I did take her on one date. And so then Carmel's like, oh, you do have history then. See, that's where it would mess your psyche as a female. Or maybe even a male, you can tell me. That would mess with my mind.

26:06 That would mess with my mind. Because you're like, I just asked you.

26:09 Taking someone on a date is history. Is a step above being friends? No. Taking someone on a date is moving in a direction or having some kind of a past with someone.

26:21 It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. I get it.

26:25 And I do believe that one of the main reasons she wanted it to work out was because of the relationship he had with her kids.

26:37 Uh-huh. I got that too.

26:39 Yeah.

26:39 Yeah.

26:40 I got that too.

26:41 And I think for her, she did not want her kids to be without, in her mind, to me, a father figure of someone they like. Because one thing she said about Danny, and that's why, listen, you can tell she still loves him and respects him because she said, my kids love him. And I think when your kids love somebody, It does. First of all, it's a great thing.

27:14 But when you are falling out of love based on not trusting him, it's hard to leave him because your kids love him so much. And what man is okay, right, with being like, go do your thing. I'll stay home with the kids and watch them. So I understood why she was conflicted.

27:34 You know, my engagement before John, my ex was my kids. It was really hard when I left him because two of my three were very distraught and upset. And it made it so much harder for me because they did look at him as a true father figure. Like he taught them how to ski. His dad, their dad didn't. He taught them how to do water sports. We went to the winter. He really invested his time with my kids and vice versa. So it's really hard when it makes it five times harder to end a relationship when you know you're like damaging or hurting your children also.

28:12 Because I didn't just.

28:13 Bring any man around, you know, like a lot of people recycle girls and boys through the door with their kids. I met two guys I ever talked to in my entire life since my divorce. So, and it was because I thought I was going to marry the first one and then didn't. And then, you know, I married the second one. So it's like only when it was going to be a legitimate, true relationship that I knew was going to go far. So for Carmela, a 10-year, I feel like you're already almost married. And so those poor kids are in love with him also as a father figure, you know? So hopefully they don't– like my kids still know they can text Drew if they wanted to or vice versa, you know, whatever. It's like you don't just

28:49 lose that– I mean it kind of– you know, now they've kind of outgrown it because it's been– six years or five years or whatever.

28:54 Yeah, but the good thing is they have the option if they wanted to.

28:59 That's what I hope Carmella and Danny have done with her kids because they were so invested with him.

29:06 I hope that they do still reach out.

29:08 I mean, Carmella said last night on Watch What Happens, she hasn't talked to him in months. So in my mind, I'm hoping that that doesn't stand true for the kids. If they want to go get ice cream with Danny, I hope that they can.

29:18 I hope so too.

29:20 And based on what we've seen, so far on the show of Carmella being a mother, I think she will encourage that.

29:27 I think she'll be fine with it.

29:28 Like, and again, she hasn't said he cheated on her, but- But- They.

29:35 Knew the windows last night though. I'm letting you know a little bit. Maybe not to the cheating, but to the fact that she did not trust some things. He, some choices he was making is what, so I don't want to speak for her and I'm very respectful of the fact that she's keeping things close to the chest, but she did leave lead on it. Watch what happens last night that it was something towards the fact of just not trusting some of the decisions he had made. Yeah.

29:59 And look, it could have been some inappropriate stuff.

30:01 And I, texting, certain language, texting or photos, like, I think that's just as bad.

30:10 I just think anytime you're in a relationship, if your significant other does not know, like, if I was going to text anyone, even my ex-husband, if I even text Jim or talk to Jim, I let John know.

30:23 It's just like, why not? And it's just in lighthearted, like, hey, I just, you know, we were talking about this or that.

30:28 It's a courtesy.

30:30 Why not be an open book?

30:31 Yeah.

30:32 And if you don't have anything to hide, then just talk about it. It's called communication. It makes you feel closer to your spouse. It makes your spouse feel closer to you or partner.

30:40 So yeah, I think that if things are left out, it definitely leaves room for distrust to start to creep in.

30:51 Do you think he meant it when he told Carmela he wanted to marry her?

30:57 I do. I do.

30:58 Me too.

30:59 Me too.

31:01 I think Danny was all in and it was trying his hardest to move. I just think he couldn't, he can't meet it. He's not, I get the feeling and I'm not sure. I hate talking about this because I know it's just five snippets, you know, five minutes of hours of filming that we get to see. My feeling is Danny's just not ready to really commit to one woman, even though he wants to.

31:23 I just feel that he's just not ready.

31:25 He's just not that, maybe he's never going to be this, the monogamous, like one woman, man, or, I mean, cause if you want to, if you want to tell little white lies about little things and you're not really devoted to that human, you know.

31:38 And it's also a situation to where I understand why I would have concern. And again, that scene, she was so over him. She kept making digs. She, she was so did pan and, And I'm happy for her that she's away from him because I do feel like the healing starts now.

31:59 Right.

32:01 Speaking of healing, though, Travis and Gina are talking about their future together, buying a house together, $ 3 million of a house.

32:19 What?

32:20 I don't know where you're going with this. You're looking at me like I'm supposed to read your mind on this one.

32:24 I can't read your mind.

32:24 I'm just saying.

32:25 It was interesting because they're like, oh, let's move it together. And by her being a real estate agent and the house is $ 3 million and she's like, look, we can do it, but it may hurt us. And I just don't want, listen, this is my hope for Gina because I really do like Gina. I really like her. I don't want Gina to be that housewife that lives beyond her means just because you're on TV.

32:53 Yeah.

32:53 Because I was kind of what, what kind of turned my ears like to go perk a little.

32:57 Why can't you afford a house and a wedding? I don't get it.

33:00 Like if you, if you have enough to afford a $ 3 million home, then you have enough to put a couple, you know, 30, 50, a hundred grand on a wedding.

33:07 Like I don't get, I don't get that. I was, I was a little bit like, I don't know.

33:12 I don't know.

33:13 You're right. So don't leave behind your, maybe they need to be in the $ 1. 5 million home, which you can't.

33:17 That's my point.

33:18 You can only get an apartment over here in OC, Carlos. I don't know what it's like.

33:21 Where you live, but you can only get a little bitty shindig apartment for 1.5 right now in OC.

33:26 Move to Atlanta.

33:28 Honey, I might be packing my bags.

33:30 I don't know.

33:31 I'm kidding.

33:31 Because I'd have to bring, you know, all six kids plus their significance.

33:36 14 of us moving to Atlanta. And the four dogs at the house right now. Oh, good God.

33:40 No, between the dogs, we have like eight dogs between our whole family. Eight dogs and 14 humans. We're not moving to Atlanta.

33:45 Not doing it.

33:50 But I think to your point, listen, the state of California, expensive. Orange County, to find a decent home, it is at least $ 3 million. Yes, Gina has been on the show for seven years.

34:03 I just.

34:05 And listen, obviously when it comes to Travis, we don't know exactly what that looks like in terms of financial. But I was like you. It was very confusing because... I like her so much that I want her to choose one thing over the other first. Like the house you're in now, just stay there and get married and then maybe move.

34:33 Or, you know, get the house first.

34:36 But I just think it's one of those things where If you can't afford it, don't do it. When she talked about like your first wedding, your parents paid for it. Your second wedding is all on you. Then get married at the justice of the peace.

34:50 That's the other thing I was going to say.

34:51 Exactly.

34:52 Why can't they just go get hitched? I mean, because if you want to be married, you're going to find a way to do it. That's the thing. It's like, what is your priority? What is your top priority? If you want to be married, you're going to get married.

35:01 Whether it's a quick wedding at the justice of the peace and then you throw a little party. If you don't do the whole wedding, you could throw a very fabulous party. for a lot less if you don't do the whole ceremony and do all the wedding gown and all, I mean, your wedding gowns are, you know.

35:15 $ 5, 000.

35:16 To $ 10, 000. So it's like, you can do a lot.

35:21 Without all that.

35:21 So that would be where my first mindset would go if I were in her shoes.

35:27 And then I would get the house. Then you can have both.

35:29 You can have both. You can have both. You can have both.

35:32 It was just for me, a bunch of red flags.

35:35 I'm like, Gina, don't do it. You're not having the bro. Emily Simpson, her husband's a lawyer.

35:41 Not only that, his family has so much money that they're good. Gina, you just bounced back on your feet. I'm proud of you. You got your license. You're learning how to grow your real estate business.

35:57 Do not fucking do it.

35:59 Do you think there's any part of you that feels that They just are trying to find reasons not to get married and just to stay engaged.

36:12 Well, it's funny because when she said that me and Travis will get married before Jen and Ryan. So I don't think, I think that, you know, I love Jen, but I got to be honest. I think that more about Jen and Ryan.

36:31 I don't, I don't.

36:31 No, but you know what?

36:32 They made a date because she was on, she was on an interview somewhere or watch what happens.

36:36 I don't know, maybe.

36:37 So she said, we made a date. They have a date. They're getting married on a boat coming up soon on a boat for supposedly.

36:44 Yes.

36:44 This year or next year.

36:47 That was not disclosed.

36:48 Okay.

36:49 It was, it must've been on watch what happens. Cause you don't watch those. And I do.

36:51 Cause otherwise you would have recollected this from the show. Um, It must have been on Watch What Happens. And she said, well, we did set a date.

36:58 And we did.

36:58 And Andy did not push, which I was kind of like, I almost texted Andy. I'd be like, well, get the date.

37:03 Like, hello, Andy.

37:04 You know, because sometimes he sees his phone, his text. But I didn't act quick enough. And then that was over. But, oh, I also watched it recorded.

37:12 It wouldn't have mattered.

37:12 I watched it recorded, not live. But anyway, she did say we did set a date.

37:17 We have a date. So Jen and Ryan are going to beat them to the.

37:20 Altar, it sounds like.

37:21 Okay, well, I'm going to turn the tables on you. Do you think Travis and Gina are doing all of this because maybe subconsciously they don't want to marry each other?

37:36 Well, I'll say it like this.

37:38 I feel like, okay, remember only a couple seasons ago they broke up and she kicked him out and they moved out and the next season they were getting engaged.

37:50 So to me, it's like.

37:53 How much is produced and like what they're trying to do to stay on the show and how much is real.

37:56 That is kind of, I'm being honest now. I'm being really honest. I do like that.

37:59 I love it.

38:00 I do hope that they, I do hope that they do move forward with that.

38:03 But in my mind, I'm kind of like, I just don't know because I just feel like there's always a reason or an excuse or they've got this going.

38:11 Or they're, you know, I don't know. I really don't know.

38:15 Yeah. Yeah.

38:19 Um, uh, This is, I gotta be honest, fuck. I do feel this way too. When I see Travis and Gina, I don't see sparks.

38:31 I don't. And I never have. More of like a best friendship.

38:35 More of like a best friendship.

38:36 Oh, you took the word.

38:38 And we're doing this on the show because it's keeping us, we have, you know, because.

38:43 Here's my deal.

38:44 Who would, who would, I don't know a man that would allow his, girlfriend to kick him out and, and say, I need space.

38:54 I don't want to live together. I don't like that.

38:56 I can pay this for my kids and I can't pay it for yours too. But then six months later or less, they're filming again.

39:02 And then all of a.

39:03 Sudden they're getting engaged. I just, none of it makes, none of it makes like realistic sense to me, but I'm here for it because it doesn't.

39:11 Make good TV. So I'm here for it.

39:14 What did you think about the ring?

39:17 I mean, I like, I always told you, I have no problem with someone making a prototype when you're trying to surprise the wife.

39:22 Like John and I picked out my ring together.

39:24 If he was going to provide me with a ring, I would hope he would have done a prototype first to make sure that I loved it. Because if I didn't, I'm stuck with it. And then I'd be like, okay, but I love you and I'll take it. But I have no problem with a prototype. And then I liked the six diamonds in honor of the six kids. So I thought it was great.

39:42 What did you think?

39:44 Same thing.

39:45 I thought it was a cute gesture. It gave best friend tease. I think they're best friends. I think they're best friends.

39:53 In all honesty, you want to be best friends with your partner. I'm best friends with John.

39:56 For sure. They just don't.

39:59 You mean the spark.

40:00 The spark. There's no spark.

40:02 I know that you and John are doing it under the table. You know, like, I know you guys are.

40:08 I know when you walk past John, he's grabbing. When you walk past John, he's grabbing your ass.

40:13 This is true.

40:14 You know, and you're like, oh, oh, oh.

40:18 Yeah.

40:19 Honey, stop. The kids are around, right?

40:20 No, I'm like, ooh, okay, honey. And I'm like, turn your head the other way.

40:25 Okay.

40:26 I love you. I know that you are. Ryan and Jen are getting it in. I know they're like... I know they are getting it in.

40:35 True.

40:36 Heather and Terry, I don't see it.

40:39 But I think they've been together for so long that they are comfortable. And it works for them. I think they're just like, we're They're soulmates.

40:50 They're soulmates. Emily and Shane.

40:56 It's just so awkward to even think about.

41:02 Emily and Shane. I don't want to think about it.

41:05 No.

41:06 Travis and Gina give me... Best friends. And the prototype of the ring... Hold on. Hold on.

41:19 You didn't do Eddie and Tamara and you didn't do Vicky and Mike.

41:23 Okay.

41:23 Tamara and Eddie... Okay, listen. That's why I love the scene when they were... The lingerie and stuff. And she admitted like, I gotta get my libido back. Yes.

41:33 That's on her though.

41:34 This season, that's on her and she knows it. It's chemically something going on with her hormones.

41:38 Exactly.

41:39 I'm telling you, they are fine in their sex life other than what she's doing.

41:43 But the thing is, they've always had chemistry. Always.

41:46 100%.

41:46 Vicky and Mike, they're definitely doing it.

41:54 100%.

41:55 100% doing it. Like, Vicky, I think Vicky's like, you want it now? And he's like, why not? You know?

42:06 It's so funny because she's such an anomaly because she's so like type A with her business, like.

42:10 Typing in the, you know, did it. And then she's probably like bedroom now, bedroom now.

42:16 Like, he's like, okay. He puts down the newspaper.

42:19 I think I'll go back, go back to the ring and what you were saying before I interrupted.

42:27 I picked her mic like this and his newspaper. And I think Vicky's like, ready? Yep. Pick up his glasses and go. Pop a little.

42:40 Does he really fold the glasses that neat before he?

42:43 Yes. Not that neat. He's like, he has his drugstore readers. Okay.

42:48 Put some Listerine in. Be right there, honey. What's his armpits little?

42:55 Yes.

42:56 Vicky's like, come on.

42:57 Come on.

42:58 I have a break.

42:59 I have two and a half minutes. We got to go, bud.

43:01 I got to call and Zoom in two and a half minutes.

43:04 Yes.

43:05 One trillion percent. I definitely think that's the case. Speaking of Vicky, listen. Bravo, pun intended. That, listen, the world, me included. have been very hard on Vicky. And I'm not saying we weren't justified. I think, again, I'm only recapping what I watch. I don't know what you're doing at home. I'm only recapping what I've watched. We've been hard on Vicky, rightfully so, based on what we're being shown.

43:43 I have not, and I have always stuck up for her.

43:45 No. You haven't.

43:48 I have stuck up for her, and it's because I do know her heart. And I know she's not in a good place. And I love her.

43:55 And I think that you love people through what they are.

43:58 And the reason I love her so much for TV, when everyone's saying they want her off the screen, I do not agree.

44:02 I will stand by this till the day. I don't stand by it anymore.

44:05 But I stand by the fact that I think she is so authentic on camera, sometimes to her detriment, that she does not produce herself. She does not try to make a scene a scene.

44:18 She's just herself. And I, that's what I love about her.

44:22 And I could read from the beginning of this season that she was in a tough place and had bit off more than she can chew. And I stand by that. And by the way, she's still going through it. They're done filming right now. They're going to do the reunion obviously in October, but she's still going through the ringer with her knee and with her pain. And I don't know what it's like to film when you're in that much pain all the time.

44:44 But like, I know that that played in her psyche.

44:47 The fact that Production has evolutionized to such a level that it's not the same when she was before. I think all of it played into the and she's now we find out she's lonely. She's very honest about the fact that even though she has a full time boyfriend that loves her and adores her and they've got a great relationship, it seems like she's lonely because he travels a lot and her kids are gone. I think she misses her kids. And I think if she could have it her way, she would have all of her kids back home. you know, in the same, like, I can't imagine if my kids move away. I told John, I'm sorry, but we're going to be in one of those little Winnebago vans going to all visit all our kids. Cause

45:18 I'm going to have to get my fix of each kid once a week. So we're going to be busy traveling to each wherever they go, but we're trying to keep them all here.

45:25 Kind of bribing.

45:27 I agree with you.

45:29 I applaud Vicky for being so transparent when it comes to this. The beauty of this conversation is she wasn't having this based on social media backlash and, You know, if this was a scene that, let's say she came back next season and this scene happened, I would have been like, girl, you're trying to feed off of our thoughts with you because you want us to feel sorry for you, right? As a producer, I will say I applaud her for being vulnerable. I applaud her for her transparency.

46:05 I know what it's like to be a workhorse. And the one thing that I always try to do that I'm not saying I've conquered, but I'm much better, is not make my identity work.

46:17 Because when you love what you do, it feels like breathing.

46:23 And I can relate to Vicky in the sense of that's her livelihood and she loves it. And when she was honest about the fact that And I.

46:35 Never looked at it that way.

46:36 Like when they're like, get off your laptop and whatever insurance, she takes that as y'all poking fun at my work. And I never looked at it that way, but I, and I also don't have friends who say that to me.

46:48 So I don't know what it feels like. My friends be like, no bitch, we get it.

46:52 Like, like when you talk about your friendship with Tamara, she's like, Hey, I'm on the pod.

46:58 I'm doing the pod, the pod, the pod, the pod.

47:01 Yeah. And, She loves what she does. And it's like breathing for her. But you also know that that's what she does full time. But you're not poking fun at her for that. So I thought that moment, honestly, and I'm being very honest. I look back and said, hmm. I now have a better understanding of Vicky.

47:24 And I see why. Some of Vicki and you.

47:27 I do see your, you know, I've known you a few years now, so it's not like you're a new friend, but I do see how you put your social life a little bit more on pause and your work is kind of your number one. And I feel like any boyfriend you have has to understand that, and either they get it or they don't. And I think that's what's hard for America to be viewing with Vicki right now.

47:49 She's always been this way. She has not changed. It was this way back when we were filming seasons five through eight. Did she... Did she get on her laptop on the car rides?

47:57 Yeah.

47:58 Did she make phone calls for work on the car rides?

48:00 Yeah.

48:00 One of the scenes she even, like my phone was ringing loud, like was actually ringing. And she's like, girl, turn your ringer off because we're all working here. And you have to turn your ringer off when you're in the van and we're all going somewhere.

48:11 And I'm like, oh, okay, sorry.

48:13 Didn't know that tip, but okay, got it. She's working as we're getting from point A to point B. And I don't blame her for that. Do I think it is part of her identity?

48:20 Yes.

48:21 And this is, I'm not talking bad about her. This is the things I would say to her face. And she knows this. I do think she's a workaholic.

48:26 I don't think there's anything wrong with that as long as the people around her who love her know that.

48:31 Do I think the girls are right that they wish she would find a little bit of balance?

48:34 Yeah.

48:35 But if you're like right now for you, Carlos, you're in the height of your career. You haven't decided you want to settle down and take a.

48:41 Step back yet. You are just like full throttle. Let's go. I think for the women, because Vicky is what, 20 years older than you.

48:47 I think the women are kind of saying, babe, pull back a little and, and enjoy, kind of start to enjoy life a little bit and put your, you know, find the balance where for you, I don't think you're there yet because you're, you do have 20 more years of just like go.

48:59 And then you're going to be like, put a fork in me.

49:01 I'm done.

49:01 I want to now go retire and be on the beach with my, my boat, you know? So I don't think anything's wrong. And I didn't take it that way either that they're poking at her. I think they were just looking like, let's try to get her to put her computer down for one minute.

49:15 Yeah, no, I, and again, it's how she feels and I understand that because if I have friends saying, it's funny, I have friends in the business, like you have friends who are reality stars. And one of the tough things about doing these recaps is separating the two, right? And I used to have friends say to me, well, I don't want to talk about it with you because, you know, you made me.

49:44 And I'm like, what are you talking about?

49:47 Like, I would never disclose anything you talk about me in private. And I usually get offended by that, like, but we're friends and we're talking as friends.

50:00 I will never repeat it.

50:00 But So that's my only way of relating to her in the sense of, not that they poked fun at it, but they took my job as a way of saying, well, you know, it does interfere with our friendship. Like Vicky's laptop interferes with her making friends with these women.

50:18 Such a good analogy. Keep going.

50:20 So I do get it. And I appreciated that Vicky... Oh, this made me so sad for her. When she said she felt less than.

50:30 Uh-huh.

50:33 As a woman, because, you know, she feels like if her and Don, her first husband, ex-husband, did not leave Chicago, they would still be together. And how she, and again, the honesty of, and you know this, being a part of Bravo and part of Housewives, how unfortunately it does happen to the best of them. This machine does create this identity for yourself. And you're sometimes chasing that, but abandoning home. Mm-hmm.

51:15 That was, that honesty, I was like, I have no notes. Like, Vicky, in.

51:20 This episode, again, me and Alexis go per episode. I, Carlos King, was saying this episode, I have never felt so sad for Vicky ever.

51:32 Thank you.

51:33 And another aspect that I want the viewers to think about that I don't think anyone even really thought about is Vicki said she's lonely and that Mike travels five days a week. OK, he's got to be getting close to retirement also. Maybe not, because I mean, they do say that the minute anyone retires, it kind of, you know, unless they have a big hobby or something that they're really into gardening or Bible studies or whatever. you know, volunteering, whatever, that you kind of are slowly going to die then because you don't have something to get up for in the morning.

52:01 So I don't know about retiring ever either.

52:03 But what people aren't thinking about is the fact that she said she's so lonely.

52:07 Mike travels five days a week.

52:09 I feel like if her partner didn't travel and she had Dawn, she wouldn't dive so much into work.

52:15 I think work keeps her from being lonely.

52:17 So it's kind of like a double-edged sword for her because it's like, okay, if I stop working, then I'm going to sit around.

52:21 I'm going to be even more lonely.

52:23 Work is what keeps me fulfilled when my husband, my boyfriend's traveling, you know, my kids are gone. So I feel like she just doesn't have things to fill her day, except her work. So it is her identity in some ways. And it's sad, but I loved her vulnerability that she's.

52:35 Honest about it.

52:36 Yeah.

52:37 Yeah.

52:38 And I think of her and her boyfriend both stopped working so much and just really started finding hobbies together.

52:44 Like today, we're going to do a bike ride tomorrow.

52:46 We're going to do this, but they're both, they both seem very invested in their work. And then the relationship is second priority.

52:52 And that's why the best relationships, in my opinion, to me, based on what I've seen being a producer, I think relationships are hard when both parties are full-time, 24-7. So you need.

53:08 One workhorse and one that can be like there, you know.

53:11 Yeah, there needs to be a balance.

53:13 I don't think relationships work where both are like, working.

53:20 50 hours a week. You're not going to see each other.

53:23 So it makes sense. I think Vicky needs somebody. I think Vicky's man needs to be retired.

53:33 You know?

53:33 And she's at that age where she's able to meet somebody around her age, over 65, that's retired, live a great life.

53:41 One of my girlfriends, you know, she's dating this guy, well, lots of guys, but one of the guys she's dating. I love my girl.

53:49 She's he's in his fifties, I think. And he's retired. And he's like, let's just, he's always like, you want to go up to Europe? She's like, okay.

54:01 And he's like, come with me. I have to go to like Connecticut to see my sister. And she's like, all right.

54:08 You know, like you, you, I think at that age group, you can't have both of you guys work very much. And, I feel bad for Vicky with that situation. Tamara did such a great job opening up. I'm sorry, having Vicky feel comfortable opening up. When she says she believes Vicky is still healing from what she.

54:32 Went through with Brooks.

54:34 And that explains why she walks around on eggshells with Mike. I agree 100%. I think Vicky, listen, I don't know what it's like to be in my 60s. and trying to get it right with a man. I think it's like we've talked about with Carmella and Danny. When you meet somebody, you do weigh at a certain age, you're sort of like pros and cons. And I think Vicky's like, I just don't want another breakup at this age.

55:04 I get it. I get it. I get that too.

55:06 But at the same time, it's like, but if a relationship is so much struggle, Like it should just be easy when you meet the person you're supposed to be with. It should just be easy. It shouldn't be like there's this strain. So I just that's what I wish for her. And Mike, I do think that they're good together. I haven't got to meet him, but I've watched I've heard the other women who are when we're actually talking in front, not in front of a television camera, like we're just real, like living your life, that they do have a good relationship.

55:37 They are very much in love.

55:39 So I do think that the show is putting a stress on their relationship because I think he's more private from what I'm gathering from watching and also from what I'm hearing.

55:48 But I also think that they can get over that hurdle.

55:50 I just wish that their relationship didn't seem so stressed. And I do think that her knee plays a lot of this because she's in agony right now, even now. And she just had that nanosurgery, you know, and all that. I'm not speaking anything I shouldn't speak about. But, you know, she's still in a lot of pain.

56:07 It's not. I just feel for her. And that's why I'm glad.

56:11 I'm really glad, like you said, that they had that scene. Tamara and her had a really authentic, vulnerable, real scene. Not something produced because she felt that she was reading all the comments.

56:22 No, you're right.

56:23 This was real.

56:24 There were no comments out yet because the show hadn't aired yet.

56:27 No, it was real.

56:29 I agree with you.

56:31 It was real and I appreciate it. Great episode. I. I really enjoyed it.

56:38 I don't know if it was because it was an opportunity to see a different side of Vicky. But another great episode that I really, really, really did enjoy. And I'm looking forward to seeing more of this. So Alexis, I feel like we're going to be entertained.

56:55 The rest of the season?

56:58 Especially when you pop up.

57:00 Oh, good God. who knows what that scene's even going to be. I just can't wait.

57:03 I can't wait to be able to just.

57:07 Say the reality. So, well, yeah, stay tuned for that. I might come with like sunglasses and a hat. So I'm incognito on that, on that.

57:19 You're like, hold on, hold on, hold on. No, I'm looking forward to that. Raindrops, let us know what you thought about this episode on the comments. And we will see you guys next Friday. Love you, Alexis. Have a great weekend.

57:36 Bye. Bye, boo. Reality with the King is executive produced by me, Carlos King, produced by Jamie Schaefer in partnership.

57:48 With the Black Effect Podcast Network.

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