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Lawyering on the Frontier with Janel Thamkul
Janel Thamkul, former frontier counsel team member at Anthropic, joins Kevin Frazier to discuss what it means to practice law at the frontier of AI. This episode starts with a review of Janel’s fascinating and varied background. Next, she w
Radical Optionality: Governing Transformative AI, with Christoph Winter and Charlie Bullock
Alan Rozenshtein, Research Director at Lawfare and Visiting Senior Fellow at the Institute for Law & AI (LawAI), spoke with Christoph Winter, LawAI Founding Director and Assistant Professor of Law and AI at the University of Cambridge, and
Tom Davidson on the Importance of AI Character
Tom Davidson joins Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at Lawfare, to discuss AI timelines, explosive economic growth, and the increasingly urgent debate over “AI characte
Governing the Frontier with Owen Larter of Google DeepMind
Owen Larter, Senior Director and Head of Frontier Policy and Public Affairs at Google DeepMind, joins Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at Lawfare, to provide an inside
Inside the Fight to Detect and Govern Synthetic Abuse with Melissa Hutchins of Certifi AI
Melissa Hutchins, founder and CEO of Certifi AI (https://www.certifiai.com/), joins Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at Lawfare, to discuss the rise of deepfakes, non-c
HAGS (with AI): How AI Tools Are Shaping Education with Adeel Khan and Ryan Trattner
Adeel Khan of MagicSchool AI and Ryan Trattner of StudyFetch join Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and Senior Editor at Lawfare, to discuss the rapid integration of artificial intelligence
The Politics of Data Centers with VA Delegate John McAuliff
John McAuliff, a Delegate in the Viriginia House of Delegates, joins Kevin Frazier, Director of the AI Innovation and Law Program and a Senior Fellow with the Abundance Institute, to discuss the ongoing debates around data centers at the st
Let's Do the Science! Talking Algorithms with Cathy O'Neill
Cathy O’Neil, CEO of ORCAA and author of Weapons of Math Destruction and The Shame Machine, joins Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and Senior Editor at Lawfare, to explore the promises and
Escaping One-Size-Fits-All AI Policy with Sean Perryman
Sean Perryman, AI policy lead at Uber and lecturer on AI Governance and Ethics at Vanderbilt Law School, joins Kevin Frazier, the Director of the AI Innovation and Law Program at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Fellow at
Forecasting AI's Impact on the Economy with Deger Turan, CEO of Metaculus
Deger Turan, CEO of Metaculus, joins Kevin Frazier to unpack new forecasts (https://www.metaculus.com/labor-hub/) on how AI could reshape the labor market over the next decade. The conversation centers on a striking divergence between Metac
Rapid Response: An "FDA for AI" at the White House?, with Dean Ball
Alan Rozenshtein, Associate Professor of Law at the University of Minnesota and Research Director at Lawfare, and Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and Senior Editor at Lawfare, spoke with
Lawfare Daily: Why AI Won’t Revolutionize Law (At Least Not Yet), with Arvind Narayanan and Justin Curl
Alan Rozenshtein, research director at Lawfare, speaks with Justin Curl, a third-year J.D. candidate at Harvard Law School, and Arvind Narayanan, professor of computer science at Princeton University and director of the Center for Informati
An EU-perspective on America’s Approach to AI with Marietje Schaake
In this episode of Scaling Laws, Kate Klonick, Associate Professor of Law at St. John’s University and a fellow at the Brookings Institution, and Kevin Frazier, Director of the AI Innovation and Law Program at the University of Texas School
Eliminating Barriers to AI Adoption with Clarion AI's Bennett Borden
Bennett Borden, Founder and CEO of Clarion AI Partners, joins Kevin Frazier, the AI Innovation and Law Fellow at UT and a Senior Fellow at the Abundance Institute, to discuss AI adoption as well as the future of the law and legal practice.
Facts & Myths About AI's Energy Usage with Gavin McCormick
In this episode of Scaling Laws, we explore how the "black box" of global greenhouse gas emissions is being cracked open by artificial intelligence and satellite imagery. Kevin Frazier, Director of the AI Innovation and Law Program at the U
AI as Abnormal Technology? Scott Sullivan Analyzes AI in the Military Domain
Scott Sullivan, professor of law at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point and a leading contributor to the Manual on International Law Applicable to Artificial Intelligence in Warfare (https://lieber.westpoint.edu/research/the-west-point-
Lawfare Daily: Talking About Sam Altman with Ronan Farrow and Andrew Marantz
Senior Editor Kate Klonick interviews reporters Ronan Farrow and Andrew Marantz on their recent article in the New Yorker, titled “Sam Altman May Control Our Future—Can He Be Trusted? (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/04/13/sam-altma
Why AI Needs Independent Auditors, with Miles Brundage
Alan Rozenshtein, research director at Lawfare, spoke with Miles Brundage, founding executive director of the AI Verification and Evaluation Research Institute (AVERI) and former senior advisor for AGI readiness at OpenAI, about the state o
Productivity Boom? Labor Shock? Google's Chief Economist on AI
Fabien Curto Millet (https://www.linkedin.com/in/fabiencurtomillet), Chief Economist at Google, joins Kevin Frazier, the AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Fellow at the Abundance Institute, a
Abundance & AI? Nicholas Bagley Explains
Nicholas Bagley, Professor of Law at Michigan Law, joins Kevin Frazier, Director of the AI Innovation and Law Program at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Fellow at the Abundance Institute, for a live recording of the podca
How To Use, Govern, And Lead On AI? Rep. Begich Points The Path Forward
Representative Nick Begich, Alaska's at-large member of Congress, joins Kevin Frazier, Director the the AI Innovation and Law Program at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Fellow at the Abundance Institute, to discuss the cu
Should AI Laws Be Subject To A Higher Standard? The Right to Compute with Kendall Cotton
Kendall Cotton (https://frontierinstitute.org/people/kendall-cotton/), Founder and CEO of Montana’s Frontier Institute, joins Kevin Frazier, the AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at La
Why Data Governance Is the Key to AI Biosecurity, with Jassi Pannu and Doni Bloomfield
Why Data Governance Is the Key to AI Biosecurity, with Jassi Pannu and Doni Bloomfield Alan Rozenshtein, research director at Lawfare, spoke with Jassi Pannu (https://www.pannulab.org/), assistant professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg Sc
Rapid Response Pod: Trump's New AI Framework with Helen Toner & Dean Ball
On Friday, March 20, the Trump Administration announced a National Policy Framework for AI (https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/03.20.26-National-Policy-Framework-for-Artificial-Intelligence-Legislative-Recommendations.pdf
Is AI a Death Sentence for Civic Institutions?, with Jessica Silbey and Woodrow Hartzog
Alan Rozenshtein, research director at Lawfare, spoke with Woodrow Hartzog, the Andrew R. Randall Professor of Law at Boston University School of Law, and Jessica Silbey, Professor of Law and Honorable Frank R. Kenison Distinguished Scholar
Can AI Enable Human Agency?, with Tomicah Tillemann
Tomicah Tillemann (https://www.projectliberty.io/people/tomicah-tillemann/), President at Project Liberty Institute, joins the show. Tomicah offers a unique perspective on regulating emerging technology given his time as a venture capitalis
Live from Ashby: Taking a Long View on AI Governance with Austin Carson and Caleb Watney
Kevin Frazier hangs out with Caleb Watney (https://ifp.org/author/caleb-watney/) of the Institute for Progress and Austin Carson of SeedAI (https://www.seedai.org/about) at the Ashby Workshops to discuss the long-run policy foundations need
Scaling Laws x AI Summer: Who Controls the Machine God?
Alan Rozenshtein, associate professor of law at the University of Minnesota and research director at Lawfare, and Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and senior editor at Lawfare, were joined
In Defense of Optimism with Packy McCormick
Packy McCormick, founder of Not Boring (https://www.notboring.co/) and Not Boring Capital, joins Kevin Frazier, Director of the AI Innovation and Law Program at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Fellow at the Abundance Inst
The Pentagon Goes to War With Anthropic
An impasse is coming to a head. The resolution is unknown. The Department of Defense has made clear that Anthropic (https://www.axios.com/2026/02/25/anthropic-pentagon-blacklist-claude) has until 5:01pm ET today, February 27th, 2026, to per
